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Quixote
Dec 2, 2006, 4:08 AM
Where's Project City Center located?

The_Analyst
Dec 2, 2006, 4:52 AM
I'll be in Vegas later this month. I'm glad to see so much activity beyond The Strip! Though it appears that much of the projects are "centers" and therefore are rather un-pedestrian friendly. They need to encourage people to walk AWAY from The Strip. I've been to Las Vegas a number of times (at least 20) and I can definitely say that I've NEVER walked away from The Strip. I never turned a corner and walked on a side street and to be honest, I don't think anybody else does as well! What efforts are being made to make Las Vegas a more organic environment that flows naturally?

You raise a good question. The Strip itself is generally pedestrian friendly--especially mid-central portion. By pedestrian friendly I mean that the sidewalks are wide and the skybridges enable you to not get run over or have to walk across 8 lanes of traffic. One could also argue that the new casino projects are so large that they are in effect neighborhoods onto themselves and people can walk from dining to hotel room to showroom to nightclub, etc. without a car.

But, ped-friendly streets perpendicular to the Strip is almost non-existent. Of course I-15 is a barrier to the West but development could be friendlier to pedestrians heading East. One of the reasons the monorail seems to be failing is people can't walk a block or two off the Strip. But, I don't think thats because they are unwilling, I think they just arent aware of it or how to get to it.

The Harmon corridor would seem to be ideal for developing an East-West compliment to the Strip in a pedestrian friendly way. I wonder if the county is doing anything to support that. I think Tropicana is too far gone as a virtual surface level freeway but Flamingo East of the Strip could be improved especially if Harrah's eventually takes down Barbary Coast and/or Bally's.

jazfingr
Dec 2, 2006, 5:43 AM
Where's Project City Center located?

For the nwebies here in the Vegas Boom page, this map shows all the projects and their locations. The rest of the site is pretty cool too (If I say so myself)

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/condomap.htm

jazfingr
Dec 2, 2006, 6:14 AM
One could also argue that the new casino projects are so large that they are in effect neighborhoods onto themselves and people can walk from dining to hotel room to showroom to nightclub, etc. without a car.

There is no argument here. Caesars Palace alone, would comprise about 25 city blocks in mid town Mattahan. When I did this image to illustrate this point, my jaw dropped. :eek: These mega resorts are indeed neighborhoods.


http://static.flickr.com/113/311690614_07821a11b7_o.jpg

vegasrain84
Dec 2, 2006, 6:31 AM
I'll be in Vegas later this month. I'm glad to see so much activity beyond The Strip! Though it appears that much of the projects are "centers" and therefore are rather un-pedestrian friendly. They need to encourage people to walk AWAY from The Strip. I've been to Las Vegas a number of times (at least 20) and I can definitely say that I've NEVER walked away from The Strip. I never turned a corner and walked on a side street and to be honest, I don't think anybody else does as well! What efforts are being made to make Las Vegas a more organic environment that flows naturally?

I have to vent, because I think you hit on something that is lacking in Vegas.. Vegas doesn't have a feng shui, I think its probably because the place was built in the desert in 1911, hardly any living creatures inhabit the area natuarally. And if you stray away from the Strip, well, you either end up across the 15 in a bunch of industrial parks, or you end up in the Ghetto near UNLV and risk getting shot near Paradise Rd. Simply put, there isn't much off the immediate strip, but if you go up to say Summerlin, you can kind of enjoy more ascetic scenery near red rock resort and all the nice homes up there.. On the other side, old Henderson has improved but its not very exciting, Lake Las Vegas is great, Its like a martian landscape meets Italy. Downtown is improving, that is where I have the most hope for a kind of urban real city experience, but its just not there yet.. Fremont St. is great, but not good enough.. Once they finally (if they ever do) get Union Park built, I think downtown will be a great place for the kind of organic flow you might be talking about.. With real residents, mixed with tourists, culture and all the things you would expect from a place that is home to over 1.6 million people.. Vegas has always lacked a real culture, its culture is tourism.. But there is nothing outside the strip. No museums, well except the Liberace museum. And they are trying with the Arts district, if you go on their first fridays which is held.. well the first friday of every month, you can go on an Arts tour through downtown, its fun if you are into Arts street fairs. But I totally agree with you, Vegas needs a feng shui intervention!

Quixote
Dec 2, 2006, 6:33 AM
One could also argue that the new casino projects are so large that they are in effect neighborhoods onto themselves and people can walk from dining to hotel room to showroom to nightclub, etc. without a car.

You have a great point there. Though I think that there can only be so many of these "centers". But IMO, Las Vegas is an exception because that's what makes the city so unique. I see a lot of that strip mall/office park areas quite a bit away from The Strip. Rather than another "center" they could build several 10 story wall-to-wall apartment buildings though that might not be in accordance with the zoning laws in place. But having several mid-rises would really give more of an urban vibe to the area and would in turn would be more of an organic environment.

And you are quite right about the street perpendicular to The Strip. I think they are un-pedestrian friendly and you would think some of that energy would flow away from The Strip. Hotels and restaurants need to be situated right on the street and they need to be on side streets, allowing pedestrians to turn corners and reach their destination.

I think the southern portion of the strip needs more life. Despite it being on The Strip, it just feels cut off from the action. I also notice the sidewalks to be much more narrow. Though the majority of The Strip doesn't have any retail or restaurants fronting the street, The Strip is still pedestrian friendly because of the wider sidewalks (as you said earlier).

Nevertheless, I'm excited at the fact that Las Vegas is becoming more than just a "get-away town". Actually, it's been departing from that cheap, gambling town atmosphere for quite some time now. Right now, I perceive Vegas to be more of an upscale, young, and hip town with some of the best nightlife and shopping. Now it's becoming more of a place to live and settle down. Though I think to fully shed that "get-away town" feeling, there must be more of a downtown.

mdiederi
Dec 2, 2006, 7:27 AM
Rinkai has applied for an extension to develop the Holy Cow site (Summit/Ivana), saying that the factors that cancelled it have been resolved and the project can proceed.


http://www5.lasvegasnevada.gov/sirepub/pubmtgframe.aspx?meetid=51&doctype=Agenda
Scroll down to number 77 for a bunch of pdf files, including these Plans (http://www5.lasvegasnevada.gov/sirepub/cache/1/whglysaqstwlae45juzy2j55/13362912012006104140234.PDF) (same original plans)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6874/image1in5.jpg

BrandonJXN
Dec 2, 2006, 8:18 AM
Where's Project City Center located?

In between Monte Carlo and the Belligio. I went to Vegas this past September and it is a huge site. But I was shocked at how HUGE the Palazzo is. I've never seen anything that big in my life.

You said something about how the South Strip is pretty lonely. I think because McCarran International is basically right across the street from Mandalay Bay.

Well..across the street and around the corner.

Word of advice: DON'T TAKE THE DEUCE. It might seem like fun to ride a double decker bus but it took well over an hour to travel from the Hilton to the Tropicana. And they're about a mile and a half apart.

Quixote
Dec 2, 2006, 8:38 AM
So there will be three Wynn towers? The original and the Macau (1 and 2)?

jazfingr
Dec 2, 2006, 10:14 AM
So there will be three Wynn towers? The original and the Macau (1 and 2)?

Four actually, as he's building Encore next to the existing tower in Vegas. Encore will be taller than the original and may have an angled side but the curve, glass color and white stripes every two floors are the same.

You can see an approximation here:
http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/wynn.htm#encore


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jazfingr
Dec 2, 2006, 10:27 AM
There are a few opportunities for "side street" pedestrian areas along the strip.

The first is (as mentioned) the Harmon Corridor with the Planet Hollywood Towers, W hotel, Chateau and Signature at MGM Grand. Although there were other (failed) proposals for the remainder of that mile, I sure it's only a matter of time before it will fill in. Harrah's also has a large amount of land behind Aladdin, Paris and Bally's which spans from Harmon to Flamingo and they will surely develop it at some point.

The second possibility is (of course) Flamingo with Harrah's owning the old Bourbon Street site and the Westin next to it, i can see an attractive opportunity there.

Convention Center Rd. is another possible urban corridor.

The area down by Mandalay is a bit weird (being one sided and all) but Harrods will at least fill in the area across from the Luxor (if it gets built).

vegasrain84
Dec 2, 2006, 3:55 PM
The area down by Mandalay is a bit weird (being one sided and all) but Harrods will at least fill in the area across from the Luxor (if it gets built).

The new additions to the Tropicana will also do quite a bit to help fill in the south end of the strip.

It really is too bad that Related Co. couldn't get it together with Las Ramblas, that was one of the most exciting projects proposed.. Hopefully someone else will come along and attempt something similar. I am sure that once the W Hotel anchors the Harmon corridor, it will happen.

Don Pacho
Dec 2, 2006, 11:29 PM
Panorama Towers

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Encore at Wynn

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Marriott Grand Chateau

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ScottG
Dec 3, 2006, 1:47 AM
great diagrams Vegasrain84!!!!!!!!!!!

Mojava
Dec 3, 2006, 5:21 AM
Has there been any further news on the Maxim hotel that was announced a few months back. I think it was going near Sky.

vegasrain84
Dec 3, 2006, 6:54 AM
great diagrams Vegasrain84!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Scott! I still think that my drawing of the World Jewelry Center needs some more work, but that is the perfectionist in me I suppose. I just finished with a new rendering of Wynn and Encore (based on info from VegasTodayandTomorrow), and also with Panorama towers 1, 2 and 3. I have tower 4 done, but I am waiting to see what they decide the final height will be. My guess is that it will be the same as pano tower 3. I am on break from school, so I while away the hours on the diagrams. I'll be working on some more drawings for the buildings without them, so look for more in the coming days..

sharpie
Dec 3, 2006, 4:27 PM
Hey Everyone

I just got back from my first trip to Vegas (wow, what a blast). The amount of construction going on is crazy, and it sounds like there is a lot more to come. I noticed two things, and found them really odd. How you can have these amazing projects being built on one side of the street, and something very seedy right next door? Also, does the city/county not require developers to dedicate and landscape roadside areas? For all the foot traffic, the sidewalks are very narrow (not to mention the street lights in teh middle of the sidewalks), and there was very little landscaping. Not very ped friendly (from what I remember, it's kind of a blur)!

ScottG
Dec 3, 2006, 6:26 PM
^^^^actually you reminded me of something..... if you are talking about the construction of city center on one side of the road and that crappy hawaiian market place tourest trap block of shitty motels and run down stores on the other side...well, i heard a few weeks ago that a developer bought EVERYTHING from the harrly davidison cafe to the hawaiian market place and plans are tearring it all down....then last week i herd the city bought all that property and plans on tearrying it alll down....either way i like the tearring it all down part.


and as far as landscape goes, we are in the deseret- its difficult to do landscape (other than "zero scape") that any one would pay for. the city does have that center road island decked out in flowers and palm trees, but no- you wont find landscaped plazas on the strip,,, that is a waste of space that could be generating money if it were a mall or casino....

mdiederi
Dec 3, 2006, 6:27 PM
The Sunday RJ has an article about smart urban planning and the Howard Hughes Corporation's plan for an urban village in Summerlin next to the Red Rock Casino. It will be 400 acres and have 7,000 residential units, 1,000,000 sq ft of office space, and 1,500,000 sq ft of retail and be pedestrian friendly.

vegasrain84
Dec 3, 2006, 6:35 PM
Great Photos Don!! Keep them coming!

Perhaps it is just from the camera angle, but it appears as though Encore is angled a little bit compared to Wynn, anyone else see that, or is it just me? I am really shocked that without having ever seen the Encore logo before, I managed to get it right on the money in my drawing of Encore.. I just noticed the Encore logo in the photo by Don.. Pretty kewl! Marriott is coming along nicely!

I hope that the W Hotel and Residences starts construction soon.. Then the whole Harmon Corridor will be a sea of cranes from Panorama towers, CityCenter, Cosmo, PH Towers, Chateau, MGM and W!

philip
Dec 3, 2006, 9:24 PM
http://www.macautourism.gov.mo/newspic/mtt/10971333640s.jpg

By the way, the Chinese name of "Wynn" translates to something like "Eternal Prosperity".

Lecom
Dec 3, 2006, 10:56 PM
^That's the Macau one, right? Are there any renders of Encore?

LMich
Dec 4, 2006, 1:25 AM
No, Wynn didn't release a rendering of his first one, and I doubt he'll be releasing any renderings of phase II, either.

vegasrain84
Dec 4, 2006, 2:13 AM
Does anyone have any information on the status of Stanhi? I noticed the rendering on the front forum page shows a much different rendering than the original rendering. It looks as though the new rendering is only 45 or 50 stories high.. That is much less than the 65 stories originally reported.. I assume that Cherry will be able to build Stanhi, since they got both Newport and Soho off the ground, but thats just conjecture on my part..

Don Pacho
Dec 4, 2006, 3:13 AM
Hilton Grand Vacations Club

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7815/hiltongrandvacationscluyd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Turnberry Place

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5029/turnberryplace011smc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/451/turnberryplace015sdq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


World Market Center

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3179/worldmarketcenter001soo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2111/worldmarketcenter002sol0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



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mdiederi
Dec 4, 2006, 5:28 AM
Frank Gehry exhibit at the Las Vegas Art Musuem, December 13-March 25 (http://www.lasvegasartmuseum.org/)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/gehry-hp.jpg

The show will consist mostly of his models and designs for the Lou Ruvo Brain Institute (formerly known as the Lou Ruvo Alzheimer's Institute), which will be built on the corner across the street from the World Market Center and the Clark County Government Building.

The museum is located in the same building as the West Sahara Library. They are closed right now while setting up the show, but I stopped by on Saturday and saw one of the models.

The opening preview for the exhibit is December 12th, and free to museum members.

I hope this show will be in conjunction with the groundbreaking.

Patrick
Dec 4, 2006, 5:30 AM
Did the model collapse itself? :)

mdiederi
Dec 4, 2006, 5:44 AM
Yeah, it deconstructed itself. :haha: Looks more like it melted.

How are they going to make a building out of that? Or are those grate things just some sort of suspended facade?

WonderlandPark
Dec 4, 2006, 6:04 AM
^^^ This is your brain on drugs.

philip
Dec 4, 2006, 7:55 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/gehry-hp.jpg
UGLY, and I won't stop saying it until he stop building those hideous garbage. I would rather trade 10 Gehry buildings for one Norman Foster building.

It looks like a giant loitered the ground.
If he builts a building next to my house, I would sue him for asthetic pollution. There is a difference between creativity and beauty, and he certainly cant't create something that's beautiful.

philip
Dec 4, 2006, 8:13 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Feb-12-Sun-2006/photos/gehry.jpg

Architect unveils 'comforting' Alzheimer's Institute design

Metal lattice described as metaphor for disease

Feb 12 , 2006 Review Journal : http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Feb-12-Sun-2006/news/5842969.html

Let the armchair architects begin their critiques.

Architect Frank Gehry presented his much-anticipated design for the Lou Ruvo Alzheimer's Institute on Saturday, revealing plans for a building officials hope will become a Las Vegas landmark and spur downtown's growth.The front of the institute, which will be the main entrance and heart of the treatment and research center, will be made of what look like large blocks of glass and stone stacked on one another. In addition to the research and treatment facilities, the institute will have offices for nonprofit organizations dedicated to studying Alzheimer's, Huntington's and other neurological diseases.

The back of the building, which will house a cafe, public space, and a museum dedicated to the brain, has a more striking design: a lattice of curving metal, framing glass panels.

"It's not only a metaphor of a brain, it's a metaphor of the disease we're trying to solve."

The design was unveiled at a news conference in the MGM Grand Conference Center.Gehry said it wasn't his intention to have the $60 million building look like a brain, though he agreed it does. Instead, the rolling lattice was meant to look like a blanket over a garden, reminiscent of the folds of a mother's arms where a baby is first placed after birth. He said it's an image used by artists for centuries.

"Metaphorically, it is a very comforting image," the 76-year-old architect said.

Not everyone agreed.

"It's a building I would love to go to, but I don't have dementia," said Janet White, a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Architecture. White has studied and designed facilities for Alzheimer's patients. After seeing images of the design, she worried that the building's rolling metal and irregularly placed blocks could be disorienting. "It's a beautiful composition. It will make for a very exciting building, but not for this purpose," White said.

She did praise the contrast between the solid blocks at the front of the building and the silver lattice at the back.

Gehry, known for his bold, nonlinear designs, said the design will work well for those who use the facility. "People will drive up on the (front) side that will be calming," he said. "It will not scare off Alzheimer's patients."

While the interior has yet to be designed, Gehry said it would be practical and that doctors have consulted on the layout. The inside "won't be any more confusing than this room," he said.The 55,000-square-foot building will be the first on the city's Union Park property, 61 acres west of downtown that officials have dreamed would spur downtown's resurgence. A performing arts center -- the design of which is still a mystery -- will also be built on the site. The city is also considering condominiums, a casino and hotel, a baseball stadium and a new City Hall for the land. Some of Gehry's designs have become synonymous with the cities where they're located, so-called "postcard buildings" that become iconic representations of a place.

Gehry's thoughts on that possibility for the Alzheimer's clinicá "You can't predict it. So don't even go there," he said.

White said while architects and critics will applaud the building, it might be hard for the public to embrace it as a symbol of Las Vegas. "The design is so complex it's hard to see how it's reduced to an icon," she said. "An icon, by its very nature, is a simple but strong graphic statement."Ground will be broken on the building in August, with its opening scheduled for 2008, said Lynette Boggs McDonald, a county commissioner and president of Keep Memory Alive, the foundation behind the institute. Saturday evening, officials held their annual fundraiser for Keep Memory Alive, the foundation for the Lou Ruvo Alzheimer's Institute. Boggs McDonald said they hoped to raise between $6 million and $10 million.

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Great, now we have a brain disease magnified 1 million times and crawling on top of a building, and he calls this calming !?!
How is this going to make patients feel comfortable if it makes them feel disoriented with all the sharp and twisted edges?? I would develop a brain tumor just by looking at this building. Gehry is not designing for the need of the users, and he doesn't even care if the buildings provide function or how it makes people feel. He is designing buildings for this own ego by making buildings that are so ugly you simply can't miss it. A disgrace to the architects community.

Comforting? No. Unless his brain is infected with the disease and can't process the image.

philip
Dec 4, 2006, 8:14 PM
double post.

mdiederi
Dec 4, 2006, 8:52 PM
Here's the site where the Gehry models came from and there's more info about the institute.
http://www.keepmemoryalive.org/about_us.php

Here's the interior design. Looks like it's mostly the cafe and public area under the cheese grater lattice facade.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/186275647345630be8c32d1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/79331699745630c527207a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/13538703545630cd924c75.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/209199775745630db83139c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/149760241545630eb06bd58.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/71171442345630d485f885.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Gehry/1245014945630e249a0df.jpg

BrandonJXN
Dec 4, 2006, 8:53 PM
Waa waa waa.

Relax. It's time for people to build 'ugly buildings.'

illmatic774
Dec 5, 2006, 1:30 AM
Seriously, this is an ALZHEIMERS INSTITUTE, NOT AN EXOTIC ART MUSEUM! Who was the crackhead that allowed Gehry to design it?

As long as I never come in contact with it, I guess I can bear.

vegasrain84
Dec 5, 2006, 2:07 AM
I first said it back when they revealed the model in the Spring.. THIS IS A BAD IDEA! This is an Alzheimers Institute not the latest trend in radical design for some Art Museum.. This facility will be a research center with real patients suffering from various brain disorders, and the radical twisting shapes can be confusing to Alzheimers patients.. I would like to know what the doctors and experts on Alzheimers and other brain disorders think of this design.. Try convincing an Alzheimers patient to go into that thing!!

I have to say that of all of Gehry's designs this is by far his worst proposal I've seen.. I have to agree with Phillip, this looks like someone just took some aluminum foil they took off the top of last nights leftovers and tossed it in a pile and called it architecture.. Its not revolutionary, its CRAP!

Don Pacho
Dec 5, 2006, 2:27 AM
More Trump

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More Sky

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ScottG
Dec 5, 2006, 3:15 AM
sure frank ghery is "radical" but what would you like more a dumb box building? at least there is actual"architecture" coming to vegas. no more generic buildings. vegas has had too many of those.

drobar
Dec 5, 2006, 6:04 AM
[it's a metaphor of the disease?
The building is the disease. It's ugly, plain and simple.

clark
Dec 5, 2006, 6:40 AM
From From here (http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.txt):

New Strip development is really going vertical

The new owner of the dormant Wet 'n Wild land has a tall order in mind for the Strip property -- a 1,888-foot-tall hotel tower.

Texas-based developer Christopher Milam wants to build a 142-story obelisk as the centerpiece of a hotel-resort-casino project, according to plans presented to the Clark County Planning Commission late last month. "It makes sense in Las Vegas," Milam explained. "A 4,000-room hotel on the Las Vegas Strip is just fine whereas, in most non-gaming markets, a 400-room hotel would be plenty large."

The structure would be the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere and the tallest hotel tower in the world. The 1,149-foot-high Stratosphere Casino Hotel & Tower, less than a mile north on Las Vegas Boulevard, is currently the tallest building west of the Mississippi River.
...

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.jpg

David J
Dec 5, 2006, 7:28 AM
Does anyone have any information on the status of Stanhi? I noticed the rendering on the front forum page shows a much different rendering than the original rendering. It looks as though the new rendering is only 45 or 50 stories high.. That is much less than the 65 stories originally reported.. I assume that Cherry will be able to build Stanhi, since they got both Newport and Soho off the ground, but thats just conjecture on my part..
Stanhi is 45 stories and will come out of the ground in March! Pre-marketing sales started 1 and 1/2 weeks ago to buyers on the waiting list. The building is beautifully situated between Soho, Newport and Juhl. Diagnally across the street will be be a 5 story 29 unit boutique building tentatively called Factory Lofts. Cherry will get it done. The corridor from Charleston to Boneville and LV Blvd to Main will be fun to watch. I'm not sure many people quite understand the transformation that is now in full swing.

philip
Dec 5, 2006, 7:28 AM
You can build any building and call it "architecture", but there is a difference between good architecture and bad architecture. Bad architecture impose negative externality in the neighborhood in which it sits and it makes the users feel uncomfortable. Many doctors have raised the concern that patients may not want to enter a building that looks radical, especially we are talking about patients with Alzheimer's Disease for crying out loud. The ONLY person who likes the design is Ghery himself, and he tries to defend his rationale even though many professors and doctors have expressed their concerns over the design. A good architect listens to his users and design to meet their needs, but Gehry simply did not take that into account.

If the doctors stay too long in this building, I am afraid they will start thinking that they are developing Alzheimer’s disease as well because they can't tell if the buildings are really twisted or it is just their own imaginations.

We could have built a more traditional looking insititute with BEAUTIFUL GARDENS and FOUNTAINS located in carious courtyards that surround the building, THAT will create a CALM atmosphere.

He can build a giant toilet in Vegas and call it architecture, but build it where I can't see it, and don't build it for the Alzheimer’s institute for Goodness sake.

vegasrain84
Dec 5, 2006, 7:46 AM
Stanhi is 45 stories and will come out of the ground in March! Pre-marketing sales started 1 and 1/2 weeks ago to buyers on the waiting list. The building is beautifully situated between Soho, Newport and Juhl. Diagnally across the street will be be a 5 story 29 unit boutique building tentatively called Factory Lofts. Cherry will get it done. The corridor from Charleston to Boneville and LV Blvd to Main will be fun to watch. I'm not sure many people quite understand the transformation that is now in full swing.

Quick follow up, do you know the new height of the building? And where can you get information on it, the Stanhi website doesn't offer any details.. Thanks!

mdiederi
Dec 5, 2006, 8:27 AM
From From here (http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.txt):

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.jpg
That has to be one of the crappiest diagrams ever. :yuck: :haha:

But it's interesting to read that it sounds like this guy is really going to fight for the height. We'll see how he stands up to the new NIMBY's on the block.

What's happening to Vegas? Used to be you could design a building to look like a pink circus tent or some other goofy folly and nobody would blink. :jester: Now everybody gets all bent out of shape if someone tries something different. :hell: Oh well, at least all the controversies keep the conversation lively. :D (Not that I'm advocating more buildings shaped like pink circus tents or anything, just noting a shift in attitudes.)

jazfingr
Dec 5, 2006, 10:33 AM
http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.jpg

Where did that sketch come from, yuck . That's no Obelisk, an obelisk is shaped like the Washington Monument, there's one in front of Luxor. That sketch looks like something you'd find under Paris Hilton's bed.

A true 1,888' obelisk tower would look pretty cool. I started with a 250' sq. base which tapers to 140" sq. With the height of the base at 1788' and a 100' tall pyramid on top.

http://static.flickr.com/115/314769591_18e8d8accd_o.jpg

vegasrain84
Dec 5, 2006, 9:44 PM
http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2006/12/04/news/iq_11011032.jpg

Where did that sketch come from, yuck . That's no Obelisk, an obelisk is shaped like the Washington Monument, there's one in front of Luxor. That sketch looks like something you'd find under Paris Hilton's bed.



ROFL.. :D So true, so true. I have serious doubts about any project coming to pass that a. Doesn't have any decent models or even sketches of the building, and b. projects without a website. If you don't have a website, you don't really have a marketing plan.. Its an interesting project which will never come to pass. If Ivana can't get built, something this big surely wont.

philip
Dec 6, 2006, 2:27 AM
The developer's name is Milam, and the name on that sketch says Milan. I am pretty sure that sketch wasn't drawn by the developer.

mdiederi
Dec 6, 2006, 4:16 AM
Nah, that sketch was drawn by the newspaper artist Maureen Adamo.

Here are the renderings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_110969742.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_11096974.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_110969741.jpg

Don Pacho
Dec 6, 2006, 4:28 AM
More The Palazzo

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David J
Dec 6, 2006, 5:44 AM
Quick follow up, do you know the new height of the building? And where can you get information on it, the Stanhi website doesn't offer any details.. Thanks!
Approximately 500+ feet. The Stanhi sales office is located on Fourth st. between Gass and Garces. West side of street right next door to Breslin Builders.

vegasrain84
Dec 6, 2006, 8:36 AM
Nah, that sketch was drawn by the newspaper artist Maureen Adamo.

Here are the renderings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_110969742.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_11096974.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/iq_110969741.jpg

Oh, I was too quick to judge, they actually did hire a real architect.. And actually, the building isn't that bad, reminds me of something that would be built in Dubai. It's still not technically an obelisk, but the building is architechturally interesting. I am guessing that a 575m tower would hit a major hurtle with the FAA. But perhaps it wont if its on the south side of the stratosphere, as all air traffic goes just north of Stratosphere and then banks to land on Runway 19. I think the NIMBY's will be the ones to object the most to this proposal. I dont think Paris Hilton could fit that under her bed.. :D

ReDSPork02
Dec 6, 2006, 4:16 PM
What Council Approves These Projects. Las Vegas City Or County?

northbay
Dec 6, 2006, 4:48 PM
^ i think clark co since the strip is not in the city limits

ScottG
Dec 6, 2006, 6:25 PM
if built that would be america's tallest building!!!!!!!

im suprised theres so much work done for it....i thought that it was just an 'idea'. but they are serious!(?)

mdiederi
Dec 6, 2006, 6:38 PM
if built that would be america's tallest building!!!!!!!

There are plans for a taller one in Chicago (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=101276), but this one has a higher roof. Milam better start thinking about putting a spire on top.

im suprised theres so much work done for it....i thought that it was just an 'idea'. but they are serious!(?)
The more I read about Milam, the more I think he actually has the savy to get it approved and get it built.

Pretty sure the county commission will only pay attention to the FAA and totally ignore the NIMBY's in the shorter skyscrapers.

Bender13
Dec 6, 2006, 7:46 PM
Wow that Milam tower is impressive. I have doubts it will be approved, mainly because of the FAA. 1888' seems really high for a building so close to McCarren and Nellis.

I really hope the county will ignore the NIMBY's on this. The majority of the people in these high rise condos have three or four other homes, and aren't even there most of year. Look at Turnberry at night, it's dark. Sky will probably be not much different. I find it hard to believe that people who buy on or adjacent to the Las Vegas Strip, would get mad and fight when a large project is proposed next to them. It's the Strip!:koko:

If NIMBY's win it could set a terrible precedent. The Strip has always been over the top, and larger than life. Having people living right in the middle of it could bring about far more changes than we ever thought.

SpeedyFarrar
Dec 6, 2006, 10:37 PM
The Milam building looks like something that would be at home in Dubai or Hong Kong. I hope somehow it gets built, but I doubt it will.

vegasrain84
Dec 7, 2006, 1:12 AM
What Council Approves These Projects. Las Vegas City Or County?

Anything South of Sahara Ave. (South of Stratosphere tower) is Clark County, anything north is is City of Las Vegas. It is under Clark County jurisdiction, and is on the old Wet and Wild site, just north of Fontainbleau Hotel which has been proposed. I put in a building add request to put it into the diagram.

Steven C.
Dec 7, 2006, 8:49 AM
can someone post a website or other info regarding milam and the project? i am trying to find some more on it now.

vegasrain84
Dec 7, 2006, 12:39 PM
Dec. 04, 2006
Las Vegas Review-Journal

Juhl condos 60 percent sold as progress continues

Project will include 340 condominiums, ground-floor shops

By HUBBLE SMITH
REVIEW-JOURNAL

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Dec-04-Mon-2006/photos/juhl.jpg

Construction crews are pouring the third and fourth floors of the parking structure and residential building for Juhl, a $170 million mixed-use condominium development in downtown Las Vegas.

The project by San Diego-based CityMark Development will have 340 condo units and 24,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space in a 15-story building. It will occupy nearly an entire city block at Bonne- ville Avenue and Third Street.

With 214 "hard contracts," or binding purchase agreements, Juhl is about 60 percent sold, CityMark President Rich Gustafson said. Chicago-based Corus Bank is financing construction.

Gustafson said he's getting a cross-section of buyers from the less expensive studio units to the million-dollar penthouses. A large percentage will be primary residents in the building.

"That's one of our goals," he said. "We're looking for a lights-on building."

Juhl is attracting some buyers who had their deposits returned from failed high-rise projects in Las Vegas Valley. They're finding the price points of $400 to $500 a square foot quite favorable compared with $1,000 a square foot on the Strip, Gustafson said.

Demand for luxury condo units is coming from local residents who've lived in high-rise projects in other cities such as New York, Chicago and Miami; second-home and vacation home owners; professionals who want to live near their offices; and investors.

Juhl's project manager Alex Beaton said about 115 construction workers are on site daily and the number will grow to 200 to 225 during the next 15 to 18 months. About 70 percent are concrete workers, 20 percent are rebar workers and the rest are electrical and mechanical trades.

Turner Construction is the general contractor; Martinez-Cuitri is the architect.


NOVA TOWN: A unique, futuristic model town planned for 24 acres near Jean will be announced Thursday by creator Melissa Henry, a Brussels native who moved to Las Vegas from New York six years ago. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will speak at the event to be held at Turnberry Place's Stirling Club.

Henry's vision for Nova Town and Sage Era is an international resort community with boutique retail shops and restaurants, bed-and-breakfast accommodations, theaters and nonfossil-fuel cars and carriages.

"Our goal is to build an international model town that will serve as a new standard for other communities around the world showing a practical step towards wiser, more intelligent existence," she said. Henry's nonprofit organization paid about $1 million for the land six miles off Interstate 15.



Find this article at:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Dec-04-Mon-2006/business/11152919.html

vegasrain84
Dec 7, 2006, 12:52 PM
Dec. 06, 2006
Las Vegas Review-Journal

Worker falls to death at Trump Tower site

REVIEW-JOURNAL
A construction worker fell to his death on Tuesday while working on the Trump Tower construction site on the 2000 block of Fashion Show Drive.

Nevada Occupational Safety and Health Administration officials did not comment on the accident but confirmed they were investigating the incident.

Don Pacho
Dec 7, 2006, 1:26 PM
Hoover Dam Bypass
Colorado River Bridge
As of Nov 24, 2006

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MsuMix
Dec 7, 2006, 7:00 PM
Dec. 06, 2006
Las Vegas Review-Journal

Worker falls to death at Trump Tower site

REVIEW-JOURNAL
A construction worker fell to his death on Tuesday while working on the Trump Tower construction site on the 2000 block of Fashion Show Drive.

Nevada Occupational Safety and Health Administration officials did not comment on the accident but confirmed they were investigating the incident.

I was about to start work at Perini.. what does this potentially mean for the company? Maybe I should go with my McCarthy offer in Socal.

LMich
Dec 8, 2006, 2:04 AM
I was about to start work at Perini.. what does this potentially mean for the company? Maybe I should go with my McCarthy offer in Socal.

To be honest and blunt, it probably won't mean much for Perini, at all. You have to have multiple incidents like this happening before the media starts to get involved.

hulahoop
Dec 8, 2006, 2:46 AM
New poster, long time lurker.

Interesting news about the monorail from the excellant site, www.vegastat.com, but I think that he (Jazfinger) might have it slightly wrong.

"News 12/07/06 Clark County Approves First Leg of Monorail Expansion

The county approved MGM/Mirage's proposal for a 3.5 mile extension of the existing monorail system. MGM is funding the project with hopes that it will boost ridership of the existing system. Linking the monorail with the airport will give travelers door to door service to many resorts without the expense and hassle of cabs and rental cars."

The extension has been approved, but from what I have read I don't think that MGM is funding the project at all. It just happens to connect to the MGM. It is suppose to be funded by the near bankrupt "Las Vegas Monorail Company". I have read estimates that they will burn through their cash reserve at sometime between 2008 and 2010 at the present rate of their daily losses.

I think the extended monorail system would work well, but unfortunately it probably wont be built until the LVMC defaults on its debt, and it is sold to someone (perhaps the county and city) at a bargain price. They would then have to build the extension to finally make it profitable.

It seems that Harrahs would have even more to gain than MGM/Mirage by the airport extension. They presently have 3 stops, while MGM has just one. Perhaps these deep pockets (including Colony Capital with the Hilton stop) could buy the monorail, and run it collectively, but it is somewhat hard to see these companies cooperating successfully on such a grand scale. If they did buy it, they would probably want to skip the whole Harmon corridor detour to the route going to McCarran.

Just some thoughts. What do you guys think?

hulahoop

jazfingr
Dec 8, 2006, 3:09 AM
^^^^welcome hulahoop

I got the info from from Clark County planning commission.

The applicant is:
UC-1372-06 - MGM GRAND HOTEL, LLC, ET AL:

Here's a link to the agenda page
http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0197459.htm

Maybe I missed something but I also read somewhere that MGM is going to fund it.

Don Pacho
Dec 8, 2006, 3:50 AM
Molasky Corporate Center

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5600/molaskycorporatecenter0jn2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


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hulahoop
Dec 8, 2006, 4:30 AM
^^^^welcome hulahoop

I got the info from from Clark County planning commission.

The applicant is:
UC-1372-06 - MGM GRAND HOTEL, LLC, ET AL:

Here's a link to the agenda page
http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0197459.htm

Maybe I missed something but I also read somewhere that MGM is going to fund it.

I think the "UC-1372-06 - MGM GRAND HOTEL, LLC, ET AL" at top of the agenda page might be misleading. The MGM Grand Hotel is not really an independent company (such as MGM/Mirage). It sounds more like a description of the route than the applicant.

At the very bottom it states:
"APPLICANT: Las Vegas Monorail Company
CONTACT: Curtis L. Myles, III, 3720 Howard Hughes Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89109"

On the other hand, if MGM/Mirage was planning to fund this, it would be huge! It would mean that it would actually be built!! Five hundred million (the estimated cost) is not pocket change, but would be feasible for them.

ScottG
Dec 8, 2006, 4:38 AM
with these new HIGHER towers being proposed, it is goin to put the stratosphere out of business. no longer would people want to go there when a block south there is a TALLER tower to go up in....i doubt there wouldnt be something at the top to get people in that milan tower.....im sure even when the eiffel tower was proposed (the paris hotel) the strat had many complants coming from it.....there are now 2 observation decks on the strip and im sure paris takes alot of business away from the strat since it has nicer views....

ScottG
Dec 8, 2006, 4:47 AM
Vegasrain84 - youve been BUSY!

how/where did you find the rendering of evolution loft tower 2? and the new design for 601 fremont?

also, that milan tower would look nice.......:)

said to see the stanhi get knocked down (as fard as the number of floors it has lol) BUT we actuallly dont know for sure what the final design looks like....

sky-of-webs
Dec 8, 2006, 4:52 AM
The Milam tower elevation is nice and sleek, but the 3-D rendering is outright beautiful. It has such a nice organic flow. A much better case of great architecture.
I had serious doubts before, especially since the county planning has so far said no way to the height, but the renderings are very persuasive and the FAA might just be generous.:fingerscrossed:
LET IT BE!!!
Seeing the (rough) height comparisons Milam doesn't look at all out of place. With the wide base (and again) the organic flow to the top ( not a pinnacle)
the building would be a fine addition. And they don't show the Fontainbleau with it's height of 750 feet, right next door.
Oh yeah, no ones mentioned the article quote about Allure tower 2 going to be "substantially taller".

jazfingr
Dec 8, 2006, 6:31 AM
I think the "UC-1372-06 - MGM GRAND HOTEL, LLC, ET AL" at top of the agenda page might be misleading. The MGM Grand Hotel is not really an independent company (such as MGM/Mirage). It sounds more like a description of the route than the applicant.

At the very bottom it states:
"APPLICANT: Las Vegas Monorail Company
CONTACT: Curtis L. Myles, III, 3720 Howard Hughes Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89109"

On the other hand, if MGM/Mirage was planning to fund this, it would be huge! It would mean that it would actually be built!! Five hundred million (the estimated cost) is not pocket change, but would be feasible for them.


I've changed the article for now, until more is known

vegasrain84
Dec 8, 2006, 2:48 PM
Vegasrain84 - youve been BUSY!

how/where did you find the rendering of evolution loft tower 2? and the new design for 601 fremont?

also, that milan tower would look nice.......:)

said to see the stanhi get knocked down (as fard as the number of floors it has lol) BUT we actuallly dont know for sure what the final design looks like....


I have Milam waiting in the wings, its finished, I just need to get the building approved, then I will upload it..

I got the renderings of Evolution loft 2 and 601 Fremont St. from the front page of this forum, I don't know where Patrick Griffin got the original, I just based my drawings off of what I had to work with.

I wish Stanhi would have stuck with the 65 stories, but I have read article after article which says that it will only be 45 stories, and 500 feet, so I am almost 100% certain that they reduced floors for whatever reason. I personally think that this is very smart on Cherry's part if it was for financial reasons. I am willing to bet that within a year of construction of Stanhi, Cherry will come out with an even taller building in downtown.. Did you know that Sam Cherry is only 28 years old, and dropped out of High School.. He is one rich 28 year old dropout.. lol.

mdiederi
Dec 8, 2006, 4:17 PM
I think the "UC-1372-06 - MGM GRAND HOTEL, LLC, ET AL" at top of the agenda page might be misleading. The MGM Grand Hotel is not really an independent company (such as MGM/Mirage). It sounds more like a description of the route than the applicant.

At the very bottom it states:
"APPLICANT: Las Vegas Monorail Company
CONTACT: Curtis L. Myles, III, 3720 Howard Hughes Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89109"

On the other hand, if MGM/Mirage was planning to fund this, it would be huge! It would mean that it would actually be built!! Five hundred million (the estimated cost) is not pocket change, but would be feasible for them.
Sorry, I might have been the one who first suggested it was submitted by MGM when I first posted the agenda a few days ago. The title of the agenda is confusing, and now that I think about it more, it might be titled that way as part of the counties methodology to chronologically link the history of the project to the original line between MGM and Bally's, which actually was funded collaboratively between those two competing resorts.


http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5780169&nav=15MV
Monorail given permit to extend to McCarran Airport
Dec 6, 2006 05:29 PM
A critical step in the future of the Las Vegas Monorail was taken Wednesday afternoon. The County Commission granted a land use permit for extending the system to McCarran Airport.

The project would be funded entirely by private investors. The expansion would add a new four-mile stretch of track to the existing system following a route that would take riders past the Thomas and Mack Center and then into the airport terminal area.

The monorail has been plagued with low ridership from the beginning and is counting on this expansion to gain popularity.

Who can these"private investors" possibly be other than the resorts? The general public isn't going to invest after seeing how it's been handled so far.

Edit: Just found a couple RJ and Sun stories too.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Dec-07-Thu-2006/news/11266701.html
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2006/dec/04/566627088.html

vegasrain84
Dec 8, 2006, 4:23 PM
Hey Don, I noticed some cranes on the right side of the picture of Molasky, what are those cranes for?? Are they on the 61 acres, or is that the World Market Center site?

Don Pacho
Dec 9, 2006, 1:29 AM
Hey Don, I noticed some cranes on the right side of the picture of Molasky, what are those cranes for?? Are they on the 61 acres, or is that the World Market Center site?


mmmh.. good question ! :shrug:

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 2:47 AM
That crane is part of the Molasky construction site. World Market Center is off to the left of Don's picture.

Here's another angle showing the crane.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Molasky2.jpg

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 3:19 AM
The sky is no limit to Milam
Air Force, FAA objections won't fell tower project, developer says
BY DAVID MCKEE

Austin-based developer Christopher Milam is thinking big. Texas-sized big, as in erecting the tallest building in the U.S. on the former site of the Wet 'n Wild aquatic park. Virtually the entire 27-acre parcel would be consumed by the casino "podium," as envisioned by Steelman Design Group, from which will arise a 142-story spire. Modeled on Skidmore Owings & Merrill's Burj Dubai skyscraper, this obelisk will top out at 1,888 feet ... a height that is presently sticking in the craws of Nellis Air Force Base and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Despite the opposition arrayed against him, not to mention the inherent challenge of building a $4.8 billion, 5,000-unit, condo-hotel resort, Milam seems serene -- sufficiently so to balance playing with his toddler while discussing a technical challenge that might faze even a character like Howard Roark of The Fountainhead.

Given the amount of construction tied up by Project CityCenter, how long will it be before you can line up a substantial quantity of materials and labor?


Courtesy LVT1
As conceived by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and Steelman Design Group, the Las Vegas Tower's casino floor, commercial spaces and parking garage would cover almost the entirety of the former Wet 'n Wild site. Above it would rise an 1,888-foot skyscraper. At present, the tallest hotel tower on the Strip is Wynn Las Vegas, at 600 feet. The Venetian's Palazzo tower, when finished, will reach 642 feet.



Courtesy LVT1



Courtesy LVT1




That's evolved a lot in the last six months. Projects which were going to get done didn't get done. Availability of labor and materials, while still tight, it's not a constricting issue the way people thought it was going to be. Plus the cost of commodities is falling. We're not, in the last six to nine months, seeing anything like the increases in prices -- steel, cement, glass -- that we were in the past. Which would make a lot of sense, because the heat is out of the property markets now and construction is down considerably.

What's the design concept?

It basically has three legs and it happens to be, from a structural-engineering perspective, the most efficient tall-building form. As long as you maintain a proper aspect ratio with those three legs, you can basically go as tall as you want. Burj Dubai is much taller than this building but this is considerably larger in mass.

Why did you gravitate to that particular design?

We wanted to do a tall building, which meant we had to be north of the Strip, far enough away from McCarran. Everything in Las Vegas has its 'set' and, in the past, that has been a theme: You're in Paris or Venice or Greece. We wanted to do real architecture, what we call a 'high modern,' important architectural statement. In a very basic business sense, I guess you could say that the tallness of the building is our thing. It's our hook, if you will. It's the next step beyond in the evolution of the Strip.

The underlying property is still titled to Archon. When is the sale going to close?

The option, we have until sometime in October of '07 to close. So sometime between now and then, when we are ready to start construction.

If you were to run into adversity as far as the design, would you not go through with the purchase?

No, it's a tremendous asset. There are always issues, no matter what you're doing. If you want to be successful at development, you spend the time, the effort and the money to work through the issues and come up with something that works for everyone.

As far as the height itself, Nellis AFB registers objections to the project as submitted. Also, the FAA says it's notified you of a "presumed hazard." Given those objections, how do you intend to move forward?

Those are two separate issues and we are working with both the FAA and Nellis, and have been for some months. With respect to Nellis, they have a general policy of opposing tall buildings, for obvious reasons, but it's an issue that can be resolved.

As far as the FAA is concerned, any building over 200 feet tall within a five-mile radius of McCarran is determined by regulation to be a hazard to air navigation. So every hotel on the Strip is a Part 77 obstruction, technically. That's why they issued the DNH. Everybody gets issued a DNH. We're in the middle of the process to determine if the building does present a hazard and -- if it does -- how to make it not. We have a consultant in Washington who's working directly with the FAA.

So you're taking it to the top?

No, we're actually working from the bottom up, which is the way you do it. But we haven't yet responded to the obstruction finding because we're doing our homework and then we'll respond formally to the FAA.

So is the 1,888-foot height non-negotiable?

We think that will ultimately be found to not be a hazard and that's where we wanted to be. The reason is that makes it the tallest building in the U.S. The next-tallest building is the Freedom Tower in New York, which was World Trade (Center), which is 1,776 (feet). They're locked into that number for obvious reasons. You don't build a building this tall and make it a little shorter than the one they just built. That's not a good approach to marketing, if you will.

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:06 AM
So is the 1,888-foot height non-negotiable?

We think that will ultimately be found to not be a hazard and that's where we wanted to be. The reason is that makes it the tallest building in the U.S. The next-tallest building is the Freedom Tower in New York, which was World Trade (Center), which is 1,776 (feet). They're locked into that number for obvious reasons. You don't build a building this tall and make it a little shorter than the one they just built. That's not a good approach to marketing, if you will.
Chicago Spire (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=121378) (name might change), designed by Calatrava, is 2,000 feet and already has approval (though they did just change the design last week, with a higher roof, so now need new approvals). So if Milam is serious about being the tallest in the U.S., he better think about going even taller, or putting a spire on top, just in case Chicago builds theirs.

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:13 AM
Update photos

Streamline tower

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Streamline1.jpg

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:14 AM
Juhl

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Juhl-1.jpg

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:16 AM
One Queensridge Place

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Queen.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/QueenE2.jpg

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:46 AM
Hualapai Grand Canyon West Skywalk glass bridge construction.
http://www.grandcanyonskywalk.com/home.html

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/cnstr4.gif

vegasrain84
Dec 9, 2006, 12:23 PM
Great Photos mdiederi!! I guess from the angle I was looking, it looked as though the crane was for another project..

So as promised I finished the Milam Tower, and uploaded it this morning.. This makes Stratosphere look tiny!!

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/images/43795.gifhttp://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/images/34728.gif

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:17 PM
Good job!

Damn, that is massive. I was down there yesterday looking at the skyline trying to visualize it, but that looks even bigger than I thought.

You should post that in the other thread too.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=121285

Is that top design considered a spire or a crown? Wonder if they can put a spire on that if they need to go higher than Chicago Spire? But it might look strange with a spire on top of that design. There's probably an observation deck some where up there. Wonder if those three pillars will obstruct the view or if you go inside those somehow? Intriguing.

Daquan13
Dec 9, 2006, 4:36 PM
Hualapai Grand Canyon West Skywalk glass bridge construction.
http://www.grandcanyonskywalk.com/home.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/steel2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/cnstr1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/cnstr2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/cnstr3.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/skywalk/cnstr4.gif



I thought that this was supposed to have a glass floor as well.

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2006, 4:48 PM
I thought that this was supposed to have a glass floor as well.
Yeah, it will. See that space between the beams where the guy is welding? That will be covered with glass and you will walk on that and look down between the beams. The whole loop will be pushed out over the edge of the canyon using a "jack and roll" method. From the site: "The process of placing the glass to the steel is currently under discussion on whether it will take place before or after the Jack-and-Roll."

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 4:55 PM
seeing the comparison with the stratosphere, i have my doubt on the milam tower. just because of its enormaty. just one leg of the milam tower is ttwice the size of the stratosphere....i doubt the worlds tallest building (excluding burj) will be built in vegas. I'd love to see it happen, but this is just too large.

i read it would cost 5 billion dollars. and the design was inspired form the burj dubai (which SOM also designed)-- the replicated the 3 leg footprint...which we know exists in vegas all too much anyhow...

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2508/untitledyp9.png


but just seeing how large this is- i dont think it could be funded. Just getting the ivana/summit built would be a dramatic change to vegas. but this is 10 times the effect.
new condo website www.citycenter.com does anyone know what they are goin to put on the city center sales office site and at the back of new york new york? - i hear the vdara concrete is being poured and excavation its goin on for the mandarin hotel.



btw i read that BruceH filed a complaint with the county over this project........theres a nimby amumg us. lol

(where does numby come from?)

p.s. great job vegasrain!

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 5:41 PM
.......
CASINO COMPANY DEALINGS: Abu Dhabi builder, MGM negotiating

Discussions center on luxury hotels

FROM STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS
MGM Mirage, a Las Vegas casino operator, on Wednesday said it is discussing a possible joint venture with the Mubadala Development Co. of Abu Dhabi to build nongambling luxury hotels.

In a statement, MGM Mirage said it signed a memorandum of understanding with Mubadala Development, a company the Abu Dhabi government owns, to create a joint venture by the first quarter of next year.


The venture would build hotels ,beginning in Abu Dhabi, Britain and Las Vegas. Abu Dhabi is the largest of the seven emirates composing the United Arab Emirates.

Bloomberg News notes that Mubadala is an investment company with stakes in LeasePlan Corp. NV, a Netherlands-based vehicle-management company, and North African oil exploration tracts.

MGM Mirage said it expects the joint venture to create its own brand identity and use one or more MGM Mirage brands. The casino company said it would provide management and development services for the venture.

MGM Chief Executive Terry Lanni said in a statement that the partnership would help "expand our brand identity in rapidly growing international markets."

In a Wednesday research note highlighted by Reuters, Deutsche Bank analyst Bill Lerner wrote that MGM Mirage showed its strength with its latest news and its recent agreement to license its name for a $700 million hotel-casino expansion at Foxwoods in Mashantucket, Conn.

"(This latest news) demonstrates the strength of the MGM management team and its ability to procure strategic opportunities globally," he wrote. "Additionally, we believe this opportunity will allow MGM to monetize its brands while realizing a high-margin fee stream for development and management services, while Mubadala will likely fund the projects."

In a separate investor's note, Bear Stearns analyst Joe Greff said he expected MGM Mirage to profit from its new partnership.

"While details of the agreement are limited, we imagine the structure would be similar to MGM Mirage's arrangement with Turnberry for the Signature Towers, allowing MGM Mirage to realize returns from managerial and development expertise, and, possibly, landholdings, with limited capital contribution," he said.

MGM Mirage shares fell 7 cents, or 0.12 percent, Wednesday to close at $56.25 on the New York Stock Exchange.
.....

Another Harrah’s Bid?
Apparently $15 billion is not to buy you a gaming company these days as there may be a new suitor for casino giant Harrah’s Entertainment. The $15 billion-plus bid came from a pair of investment banking companies and the new bid, according to a report on CNBC from “unnamed sources”, is from Penn National Gaming, a company that manages more than a dozen casinos in the US and Canada. Following the CNBC story, lots of papers and shows jumped on it with some saying it’s true and other saying not so much. One wonders how a company like Penn, worth about $3.2 billion, could manage to buy a company worth about $15 billion, but there may be another deep pocketed player involved. No one involved in the actual bid, real or otherwise, is talking.

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 5:44 PM
SOUTHERN HIGHLANDS, DURANGO STATION, HARD ROCK, HARRAH'S MASTER PLAN, CAESARS EXPANSION, ECHELON NEWS


LOOKING IN ON: GAMING

Harrah's keeps plans grand, but quiet
By Liz Benston
Las Vegas Sun


Harrah's Entertainment has delayed announcing details of its center-Strip redevelopment plans, pending a potential deal to take the company private. But officials aren't sitting on their hands.

The company's proposed 1,017-room hotel tower at its Caesars Palace flagship is scheduled to go before the Clark County Commission on Dec. 20 for approval. Also proposed is a nearly 150,000-square-foot building to replace the Roman Plaza with casino space, restaurants, retail stores, bars and convention areas.

The convention center at the south end of the property also would grow.

Before dismissing these plans as just the latest baubles to be shoehorned onto the property, consider that Harrah's has still grander goals across the street, with the makeover of Barbary Coast, Flamingo, Imperial Palace and Harrah's casinos.

Harrah's spokesman David Strow said all the plans will be unveiled at once, likely next year.


• • •

Also moving forward is Boyd Gaming Corp.'s $4 billion Echelon Place, which has won design-review approval from the County Commission. It is about the same as the original proposal of five hotel towers and roughly 5,300 rooms. The approval includes the option of converting up to 1,000 rooms in its Delano and Mondrian-branded hotels to condominiums, although spokesman Rob Stillwell said the company still has no plans for condos and only included them in the plans for the sake of flexibility.

Boyd bosses initially nixed condos, citing concerns about overbuilding and demand for pricey digs. But condos can make expensive projects easier to finance. For example, MGM Mirage hopes to raise $2.5 billion selling condos at CityCenter, offsetting that project's $7 billion price tag.

County planners said Echelon Place's back side along Industrial Road will have an appealing "pedestrian realm." But they warned that the project's main entrance is destined for major traffic snarls unless the company redesigns it for better pedestrian access.

Meanwhile, Echelon business partner Morgans Hotel Group has received Planning Commission approval to upgrade the Hard Rock Hotel, which it plans to own by January. The County Commission will vote on the plan Dec. 20, which would allow the New York hotelier to build a 349-room hotel tower and more than 200,000 square feet of casino, retail, restaurant and convention space. The low-rise building will be built atop the property's surface parking, with some parking to be added underground. Morgans also plans to expand the Hard Rock's existing restaurants and add on to its parking garage on the north side of the property.


• • •

And wait! There's more!

Station Casinos received County Commission approval for Durango Station at Durango Drive and the Las Vegas Beltway.

Phase one will feature 400 rooms, a 120,000-square-foot casino, movie theater, banquet hall and pool areas. A second phase will include a 600-room tower, entertainment center and expanded banquet facility.

Station is mum on when it plans to break ground on Durango Station, and it may not happen for years.

Farther down the valley, the Southern Highlands Resort Hotel - a Tuscan-inspired upscale resort planned by real estate developer Garry Goett at St. Rose Parkway and Las Vegas Boulevard - received final design approval from the County Commission for the project's first phase.

Construction of about 1,400 hotel rooms and a nearly 120,000-square-foot casino (slightly bigger than the original plan) is scheduled to begin by mid-2007, with completion by fall 2009. While that's a bit later than developers initially stated, they are still bullish on a future phase with another 1,000 hotel rooms and as many as 800 condo-hotel units.

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 6:18 PM
anyone notice how there are so many hotels being covering in signs?

it all started with the luxor getting dressed with that hairspray musical sign...then mirage puts up Love on the tops of each wing.....then tony braxton is put on flamingo. a temporary show a the rio 'cavalia' is being advertised on the ballys and now a huge prince sign is being put on the rio....

im waiting to see a huge sign get put aclong the stratosphere...

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 6:27 PM
five hundy by midnight is reporting that the luxor is taking all but 2 egyptian themed stores, and might take down the sphinx in front of the hotel to replace it with retail.....the workers at the luxor are saying that they want to stray away from the egyptian theme......


might be hard considering the hotel is...a...pyramid...

nsxdrift_89
Dec 9, 2006, 7:18 PM
Hi everyone, long time lurker, first time poster.

I was wondering, has anyone seen any progress at the Cosmo site? I remember seeing pics about a month ago, with some foundation work in progress, but I was wondering, if they have any steel up, or if they've got a floor or two of the parking structure complete?

vegasrain84
Dec 9, 2006, 8:17 PM
btw i read that BruceH filed a complaint with the county over this project........theres a nimby amumg us. lol

(where does numby come from?)

p.s. great job vegasrain!


Thanks Scott! Its fun to work on them..

I also read that Bruce was filing a complaint. He is a real estate agent, so I can understand how he might think that such a massive project might negatively affect his sales on properties surrounding that area, such as Turnberry, Sky and Allure. But I think that it would mark a revolutionary shift in Las Vegas, and would actually open the door to further vertical growth towards the north strip.

Unfortunatly, a project like this with over 5000 units would require at least 5000 new jobs in high paying industries to allow the residents who want to move into such a large project to do so. Most units cost over $600,000 and require people to move from other areas of the country. I doubt your average casino worker or retail worker on which the Las Vegas economy is based would be able to afford any strip condo.. So they would have to be retirees, millionaires or at least people who are making 6 digit salarys of which there are not that many.. So I just dont see how this place could sustain itself.. People have to work somewhere to be able to afford these places, and Vegas is a service based economy, the numbers just don't add up.

On the nimby issue, NIMBY is an acronym for Not in My Back Yard..

Daquan13
Dec 9, 2006, 9:20 PM
Yeah, it will. See that space between the beams where the guy is welding? That will be covered with glass and you will walk on that and look down between the beams. The whole loop will be pushed out over the edge of the canyon using a "jack and roll" method. From the site: "The process of placing the glass to the steel is currently under discussion on whether it will take place before or after the Jack-and-Roll."



So you're saying that the whole thing will be supported over the edge and people on it will be able to look straight down into the canyon? Cool!!

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 9:54 PM
i would think that the 2nd worlds tallest building would ATTRACT people to live near by.....having that out my window would be nice! (?)

vegasrain84
Dec 9, 2006, 9:57 PM
So you're saying that the whole thing will be supported over the edge and people on it will be able to look straight down into the canyon? Cool!!

Here is how the skywalk will look when finished..

http://www.thegreenhead.com/watercooler/images/grand_canyon_skywalk-4.jpg

ScottG
Dec 9, 2006, 10:17 PM
if you go to http://www.cosmolv.com under the retail/shopping section (at the bottom) you can check out floorplans of the 3 level podium....casino and mall

LMich
Dec 10, 2006, 4:47 AM
i would think that the 2nd worlds tallest building would ATTRACT people to live near by.....having that out my window would be nice! (?)

At the current time, it's the third tallest building in the world either proposed or under construction after the Burj Dubai and Chicago Spire. I have extreme doubts about the viability of the project, though.

mdiederi
Dec 10, 2006, 5:27 AM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Dec-02-Sat-2006/news/11175192.html

Study: Airport can't deliver on tourism demands
Dec. 02, 2006
Las Vegas Review-Journal

By BENJAMIN SPILLMAN

Shorter buffet lines and desolate casino floors could be in the cards at many Strip hotels as early as 2010 unless something is done to bypass heavy congestion at Southern Nevada's largest airport.

Researchers at the investment firm Deutsche Bank say that if hotel development continues at its current pace, Las Vegas resorts could face a shortfall of up to 7 million visitors annually by 2017, the soonest a new airport could be up and running.

That would leave operators of the latest and greatest megaresorts to cannibalize the customer base of existing casinos to make ends meet, said authors of a Nov. 30 report on the issue distributed to investors.

It's a scenario that would hit everyone from board room executives to parking garage valets squarely in the wallet.

"It is going to be extremely tight, and someone might lose," said Deutsche Bank research analyst Bill Lerner. "There are just all kinds of implications."

Lerner and Grant Govertsen, another researcher, said the report is the most detailed look to date at the airport crunch from the perspective of gaming company investors.

They urged developers to be cautious when planning new rooms and suggested that tourism boosters do more to increase the number of people who come to Las Vegas by car.

Airport officials said Friday that the authors painted an overly pessimistic picture of the future. "You could do anything with numbers depending on the assumptions you project," said Rosemary Vassiliadis, Clark County deputy director of aviation.

The report's authors project a short-term annual shortfall of about 600,000 visitor arrivals by 2010. But that will be alleviated by the addition of a new terminal in 2011.

Once the new terminal is in place, Vassiliadis said, technology improvements in tracking planes, airspace expansions and airport streamlining will keep pace with growth until 2017. That's the earliest a $7 billion airport could be operating in the Ivanpah Valley between Jean and Primm.

"There is no reason for me to believe we will not keep rolling along," Vassiliadis said.

Currently more than 44 million people arrive and depart annually from McCarran, the fifth busiest airport in the United States.

Air passengers represent 47 percent of the visitors who occupy the city's approximately 136,000 hotel rooms.

McCarran officials say the airport can handle 53 million arrivals and departures annually, a figure it could reach by 2011 or sooner.

But hotel operators plan to add another 41,746 hotel rooms by the end of 2012, according to the report.

To maintain occupancy in existing hotels and fill the new rooms would take about 23.3 million visitor arrivals at McCarran in 2012, Lerner and Govertsen estimated. The airport, however, will reach capacity at about 21.2 million visitor arrivals, leaving hotel operators to look elsewhere for about 2.1 million customers, they said.

The discrepancy between the number of people needed to maintain existing growth rates and the capacity at the airport would grow until 2017.

As that happens, competition would intensify as casino operators looked at each other's customers as a source of new income.

The capacity crunch at McCarran also could increase the cost of tickets to Las Vegas. That, combined with intensifying competition, would hit older, value-oriented properties hardest.

"It is pretty far off. But it is something we continue to evaluate," said Mark Lefever, chief financial officer of the Riviera, which has more than 2,000 rooms and more than 2,500 Las Vegas employees to support.

Lefever said he was confident the property would continue to find customers. "There are still a whole bunch of people coming by car," he said. "This town will be fine."

Others said that counting on a new airport operating in the Ivanpah Valley by 2017 was an optimistic assumption.

The proposed location is close to the Mojave National Preserve, a 1.6 million-acre refuge in California. Environmental groups question whether an airport ferrying up to 35 million people annually should be placed next to a national park known for desert solitude.

"It does seem like it is a fairly fast turnaround when you are looking at the significant environmental issues involved here," said Ron Sundergill, Pacific region director of the National Park Conservation Association. "You have this major asset which needs to be protected."

Lerner said projecting airline traffic and hotel development more than 10 years into the future is difficult and resulted in numbers that could change depending on countless factors.

But that didn't change the core point of the report. "I know we are splitting hairs on specific numbers" he said. "But the over-arching point is it is going to be real tight."

TOURISM GAP PREDICTED TO WIDEN

Las Vegas will be unable to maintain annual 4 percent increases in hospitality growth and visitor traffic without a solution to the upcoming air passenger capacity crunch at McCarran International Airport. Here’s a look at how many air visitors are needed to maintain the current development pace and the projected shortfall until 2017, the earliest a new airport could open.

Visitor arrivals required Shortfall
2010 21.5 million 600,000+
2011 22.4 million 800,000+
2012 23.3 million 2.1 million
2013 24.2 million 3 million
2014 25.1 million 4 million
2015 26.1 million 5 million
2016 27.2 million 6 million
2017 28.3 million 7 million

Source: Deutsche Bank