[sky-of-webs]

I guess he doesn't know about the no more lasers law. Sucks too, the Rio and Hilton lasers were great.

[Patrick]

This Project Keeps Looking better!

http://www.screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2007_HardRockExpansion_art61.jpg


Ew. A little too uniqie this time. Too much diverscity, One of the towers (closest one) looks pretty nice though.

[Jonovision]

^^^ I'm not a huge fan of the overall design but I love that large twisting building in the back, especially the way it gradually stepps down as it twists and winds around.

[samoen313]

^It may use every contemporary architecture gimmick out there and blow them up to twice the size, but at least it isn't beige or gold.

[jazfingr]

:previous: The three rectangular buildings on the left are not on Hard rock land. That's the Las Ramnlas/Edge East land.....hmmm, I wonder what's up with that.

[LMich]

Looks like they bought that land, too, huh? Either way, that's a nice looking proposal. Everything doesn't have to be whacky and tacky in Vegas.

[heyyoucharlie]

Are they bringing down the old Hard Rock???... That would be a shame...? :shrug:


Las Vegas random thoughts "March '07"...

*City Center* looks freakin great so far... :tup: (I drive by it most nights @ midnight on my way home from work) ...down the godforsaken I-15 to US95...

*Sahara* can't wait to see what the new owners do with the old place??? And, what the old owners do with the empty lots they kept??? (LVBlvd/Sahara S/W corner)???

*LVBLVD North/Main St interchange* did anyone see that someone boarded up most of the old bldg's there???... What a great place for a new highrise!!!

*Sky and Alure* make the north end of the Strip look bigger and better (sign of more to come??? YES!!!)

For me, Downtown just keeps getting better and better!!! The fact that *Fremont Street* is expanding EAST is awsome!!! (I love going downtown!!!) Less tourists=more fun:cheers: !!! + I love single deck blackjack:worship: !!!

PS... Am I the only person that doesn't want to see the 1000ft+ tower built??? :shrug: It would be soooo out of place, and it looks like it jumped out of the Star Wars movies!!!

[mttbox]

hi guys, there was a topic about the rental program for the condo/hotel and it got moved to a different area, can any one point out to me where can i fine it?

[gmcclenon]

hi guys, there was a topic about the rental program for the condo/hotel and it got moved to a different area, can any one point out to me where can i fine it?

You know, I don't think anyone started it yet. I was going to and got a location sugestion from our moderator but never followed up. I think I read the FAQs on starting a new thread and realized I was too lazy.

[CHAPINM1]

PS... Am I the only person that doesn't want to see the 1000ft+ tower built??? :shrug: It would be soooo out of place, and it looks like it jumped out of the Star Wars movies!!!

Afraid so, it's called progress. This will promote even more projects of this magnitude to come. Gradually it will become surrounded by buildings ranging from 800 to 1800 feet. The LVT will be the star of the show.

[mdiederi]

Looks like the New Frontier sale fell through. (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2007/mar/26/032610690.html)

[ScottG]

what lasers are you talking about that were on the rio and hilton?!

oh and i drove by the fountainbleau site.and i saw that 'glass sample' someone mentioned before. basically its a box (10 feet tall) with 4 panels of a beautiful blue/grey/silver tint glass. im thinkingthis building (what ever the hell it looks like) will be very nice

[gmcclenon]

:previous:

I'm doing my walkthrough at Sky across the street from Fontainebleau on Saturday. I'll take some shots of the site again and post them. I noticed from the KLASTV site http://wwc.instacam.com/showcam.asp?id=KLAST&size=L
that they are working on the foundation there now 24 hrs/day

[Silas]

Long time Lurker here -- FANTASTIC SITE -- THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INCREDIBLE PHOTOS. THANK YOU!!

Saw this article on GlobeSt.com about the Harmon Ave. property. This may shake things up! Explains Hard Rock plans -- may explain the games being played by Ruffin (NY buyer ?)

http://www.globest.com/news/870_870/gsrwest/159184-1.html

By the way, I would like someone to start that conversation for condo-hotel owners. I would be all over that --- but also too lazy to start it!

Silas

[mttbox]

Looks like the New Frontier sale fell through. (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2007/mar/26/032610690.html)

That sucks, because I really don’t want to see Ruffin start the Montreux project, can you imagine two bad project together at a prime location? Montreux+ Echelon

[justdefended]

Long time Lurker here -- FANTASTIC SITE -- THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INCREDIBLE PHOTOS. THANK YOU!!

Saw this article on GlobeSt.com about the Harmon Ave. property. This may shake things up! Explains Hard Rock plans -- may explain the games being played by Ruffin (NY buyer ?)

http://www.globest.com/news/870_870/gsrwest/159184-1.html

By the way, I would like someone to start that conversation for condo-hotel owners. I would be all over that --- but also too lazy to start it!

Silas

So I guess that's it for the W Las Vegas? Stinks for all the buyers who plunked down a deposit there.

[Lecom]

Interesting how the Echelon's main building's narrow side faces the Strip.

[Texas Tuff]

Are they bringing down the old Hard Rock???... That would be a shame...? :shrug:


Las Vegas random thoughts "March '07"...

*City Center* looks freakin great so far... :tup: (I drive by it most nights @ midnight on my way home from work) ...down the godforsaken I-15 to US95...

*Sahara* can't wait to see what the new owners do with the old place??? And, what the old owners do with the empty lots they kept??? (LVBlvd/Sahara S/W corner)???

*LVBLVD North/Main St interchange* did anyone see that someone boarded up most of the old bldg's there???... What a great place for a new highrise!!!

*Sky and Alure* make the north end of the Strip look bigger and better (sign of more to come??? YES!!!)

For me, Downtown just keeps getting better and better!!! The fact that *Fremont Street* is expanding EAST is awsome!!! (I love going downtown!!!) Less tourists=more fun:cheers: !!! + I love single deck blackjack:worship: !!!

PS... Am I the only person that doesn't want to see the 1000ft+ tower built??? :shrug: It would be soooo out of place, and it looks like it jumped out of the Star Wars movies!!!

I agree with you on the 1000 ft+ tower. It will really look out of place (would only fit in Dubai). I love Las Vegas and I am glad they are buidling a 1000+ buidling, but just wish they would come up with a better design.

[justdefended]

By the way, I would like someone to start that conversation for condo-hotel owners. I would be all over that --- but also too lazy to start it!

Silas

Since there seems to be interest in this among some members here, here is a place to discuss anything Vegas condo hotel related, i.e. all the management talk, fees, rentals, that aren't contruction related:

http://ownvegas.ning.com/

[future29]

what if Ruffin were to sell his land to W ? W would then use their existing plans on that site.

as for the LV Tower, nothing is "out of place" in Vegas guys.

[VegasMatt]

Article on City Center:

http://www.inbusinesslv.com/2007/03/23/feature2.html

[Daquan13]

Guys, check out this bad ass movie trailer for "Resident Evil: Extinction" where Las Vegas becomes the next Planet of the Apes !!

Quicktime (High Quality): http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/residentevilextinction/
Non-Quicktime User: http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mid=25919&mode=0&pmmsid=1862912

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Movies/ResidentEvil.jpg



Yikes!!

Looks almost like an eerie reminder of The Day After Tomorrow!!

[StatenIslander237]

This Project Keeps Looking better!

http://www.screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2007_HardRockExpansion_art61.jpg

More images can be found here:

http://www.screamscape.com/html/hard_rock_casino_5.htm

Use the right and left arrows

yea this project i love, I'm so glad the hard rock is keeping its hip, chic image. This is one of the few resort expansions I like. :cool:

[StatenIslander237]

PS... Am I the only person that doesn't want to see the 1000ft+ tower built??? :shrug: It would be soooo out of place, and it looks like it jumped out of the Star Wars movies!!!

THANK YOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!! I said from the beginning that I hated that design, on the actual thread for the building. Someone actually fought with me about it.

I'll say this: if that tower is built, it will be the first time Las Vegas disappointed me.

[LMich]

There is a first time for everything. :)

[Patrick]

THANK YOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!! I said from the beginning that I hated that design, on the actual thread for the building. Someone actually fought with me about it.

I'll say this: if that tower is built, it will be the first time Las Vegas disappointed me.

Yes I agree. I hate this tower so much. Go to Dubai!!!

[SpeedyFarrar]

New City Center renderings:
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/101502/presentations/032207JPMorgan.pdf

[Patrick]

^Hmm not as exciting as I thought it would be.

[lfc4life]

What is the latest word on Conrad Las Vegas (Waldorf=Astoria las vegas) ??? Has this been cancelled??? I was hoping it would get built as it would have complemented Wynn very well imo

[Texas Tuff]

yea this project i love, I'm so glad the hard rock is keeping its hip, chic image. This is one of the few resort expansions I like. :cool:

This is a nice one indeed. I love how it seems to have lots of pools scattered all over the property (perhaps some fountains included, hard to tell from the rendering). It's a shame Echelon couldn't come up with something this good.

[mdiederi]

Note the heading "conceptual design". MHG's recently announced Hard Rock expansion (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070312005440&newsLang=en) doesn't include that big curvy thing or those towers on the former Las Ramblas land ... yet. Right now they're only expanding on 8 of the 23 acres next door. BTW, Klai Juba was also in on the design of W, which apparently is not going to happen now. Would be cool if they moved W to the Frontier site like somebody mentioned.

[mttbox]

Since there seems to be interest in this among some members here, here is a place to discuss anything Vegas condo hotel related, i.e. all the management talk, fees, rentals, that aren't contruction related:

http://ownvegas.ning.com/

there is no body at that site.

[VegasMatt]

I ran across a small image of what I believe to Tropicana’s renovation plans in the latest “What’s On” magazine. The image is in the upper right hand corner of an advertisement for the property in the first few pages. This particular issue’s lead article is about the Tropicana, however the image is NOT in the story; it’s in a separate advertisement before the article. The image is very small, so it’s not really worth seeking out unless you have the magazine readily available.

If anyone knows of larger images of their plans, please post them.

[mdiederi]

If anyone knows of larger images of their plans, please post them.
This is the only one I've seen (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10426370&postcount=332), it was in the paper back in November and was posted on SSC. It looks like a bunch of really big uninspired boxes. :yuck: Hopefully they are going to redesign it.

[OfCourse]

This is the only one I've seen (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10426370&postcount=332), it was in the paper back in November and was posted on SSC. It looks like a bunch of really big uninspired boxes. :yuck: Hopefully they are going to redesign it.

Wow, yucky! :slob:

[Patrick]

yikes.
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3072/trop02xf5.jpg

[BruceH]

Sky Las Vegas should receive its official occupancy certificate in the next few days. Can't wait!! The pool and outdoor amentities look great. The photo shows the putting green, dog run, pool cabanas and beach level pools. Sky Las Vegas (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/sky-las-vegas.html) really is great luxury living.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5453/skypool1wmou8.jpg

[VegasMatt]

Thanks Patrick for the Image.

It's the same one that appeared in the "What's On" magazine.

[gmcclenon]

Sky Las Vegas should receive its official occupancy certificate in the next few days. Can't wait!! The pool and outdoor amentities look great. The photo shows the putting green, dog run, pool cabanas and beach level pools. Sky Las Vegas (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/sky-las-vegas.html) really is great luxury living.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5453/skypool1wmou8.jpg

Looks like Sky got their TCO last night. I'll check it out on Saturday. Thanks for the pic. Looks great.

[ScottG]

coolst thing i have seen

http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=1512

[philip]

^I knew sooner of later someone will post that. They look great, but the greatest casino is nowhere in sight, "The Bellagio". No, they didn't build it.

[philip]

Loews Hotel Lake Las Vegas is now completed.

Discover an exceptional destination where the warmth of a Moroccan-inspired retreat meets the indulgences of a 21st century resort. Where Nevada’s rugged foothills flank golf greens as smooth as silk. Where starry nights captivate you – just 17 miles from the glittering lights of the Strip. Welcome to Loews Lake Las Vegas Resort.

http://www.lakelasvegas.com/dynimages/Hyatt-Yacht.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Architecture/LoewsLasVegas.jpg

http://www.loewshotels.com/Content/en/Hotels/Lake-Las-Vegas-Resort/PhotoGallery/Amenities/Cabana-Massage.jpg

http://www.loewshotels.com/Content/en/Hotels/Lake-Las-Vegas-Resort/PhotoGallery/DiningLounge/Arabesque-Lounge.jpg

http://www.loewshotels.com/Content/en/Hotels/Lake-Las-Vegas-Resort/PhotoGallery/RoomsSuites/Guestroom-Double.jpg

[Patrick]

^I knew sooner of later someone will post that. They look great, but the greatest casino is nowhere in sight, "The Bellagio". No, they didn't build it.

I LOVED legoland as a kid, I highly reccomend it for kids. I especially loved the New York City Replica, when I saw it I wondered, Where are the Twin Towers, of course this was like in 2000/2001. Ugh unfortunantly they added that crappy Freedom Tower to the site, and its already dated :yuck:

No Bellagio, suprising that there is no Wynn, Ceasers Palace, and Mandalay Bay also.

[ScottG]

very weird hotel in the oceans 13 movie.....(IT REPLACES THE GRAND CHATEAU AND MGM RESIDENCES)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8531/untitledzs4.jpg

[ScottG]

I DONT THIS WAS SHOWN BEFORE...

http://images.travelnow.com/hotelimages/s/051000/051308A.jpg

[PolyArch]

I'm not sure what that rendering is, can you or someone else tell me? It's post-modern retro deco.

[Patrick]

Phase One of the Hilton Grand Vacations Club on the Las Vegas Strip, completed in 2003.

[Patrick]

oh so sexy.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2647/000001rm4.jpg

[ScottG]

the news just made mention on the hard rock sale....

the 600 mil will buy 25 acres of the w site, the complete las ramblas site and the hard rock......thats why that rendering showed the extra towers on the ramblas site...

[BruceH]

My First Visit to Sky Las Vegas that Just Opened (http://lasvegashighriseblog.com/brucehiatt/2007/03/31/las-vegas-sky-luxury-condos/)

Read about what it's like to walk into Sky Las Vegas for the first time. It's now open and is an amazing luxury residential condo.

[Patrick]

Remember Lego Las Vegas? Hmm I found this pic, that indicates that they used my diagram to build thier NYNY model. I wonder if Dylan knows about this?
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Jukilum/Legoland/Miniland-Las-Vegas/modelshoptour_day1_31.jpg

[Big Sands]

I thought it was going to be positioned about right for me. Nicer than the Palms or Hard Rock, but more laid back then Wynn or Bellagio. Now they will have 750 condo deposits to return.

http://www.globest.com/news/870_870/gsrwest/159184-1.html

[ScottG]

from the legoland site: (whyd they do the trop?!)

Don't miss our largest Miniland expansion ever - the fabulous Las Vegas Strip made entirely out of LEGO brick. Miniland Las Vegas features the world-famous Strip including ten different hotel properties chosen for their unique architectural style. The hotels featured are the Luxor Las Vegas, New York, New York Hotel and Casino, Excalibur, Mirage, Treasure Island, Tropicana, MGM Grand, Venetian, Stratosphere tower and two iconic structures of Paris Las Vegas, the balloon sign and Eiffel Tower. “The Strip” at LEGOLAND also features a miniature wedding chapel, monorails and real life sounds recorded in Las Vegas.

What to look for: Miniland Las Vegas features a variety of whimsical and animated models that replicate scenes found in the actual city such as the battle of pirate ships in front of Treasure Island. Interactive features include an exploding volcano in front of the Mirage, fireboats squirting water in front of the New York, New York, and working versions of the thrill rides at the top of the Stratosphere.

[gmcclenon]

Here's the latest from the Fontainebleau site.

Cranes
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0591.jpg

More cranes
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0592.jpg

From above
North end
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0593.jpg

South end
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0594.jpg

Close up of foundation work
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0595.jpg

Interesting reflection test on the grey/blue/mirror glass. Note the blue painted area around the ground in front of panels:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0640.jpg

Some new shots of Sky:

Glamour shot from driveway
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Sky/CIMG0633.jpg

Lobby (out-of-control cool)
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Sky/CIMG0545.jpg

Going into the elevator hall
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Sky/CIMG0544.jpg

Pool area
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Sky/CIMG0569.jpg

Random strip shots
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/CIMG0606.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/CIMG0604.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/CIMG0634.jpg

Enjoy!

[mdiederi]

Great update shots, thanks!

[beets281]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wTG629h2c
The tower is slated to be 60 stories tall, and is nearly one million square feet in size. The ground breaking is currently planned for spring 2008.

[BrianFey]

That Encore garage looks to already be around 9 levels? Anybody know the final number of levels ?

[gmcclenon]

Construction accident at Sky - Four workers burned. No deaths or structural damage.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/04/02/state/n120241D07.DTL

[Patrick]

I love Sky, never doughted it for a minute.

[gmcclenon]

Way to go Mark aka jazfingr!

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/04/02/news/iq_13454244.txt

You're famous!

[Urban Sky]

nice pictures above gmc...

[Vegas Grows Up]

Nice name dropping Mark! :)

[Vtown420]

Wow, congrats Jaz! Your website is awesome and deserves some recognition!

And great pics gmc!

So does anyone know which is taller right now, Trump or Palazzo?

[MsuMix]

I'd go with Trump right now because they've already poured the 64th floor and only have 36' of steel to put up for the roof/big white band around the top. Palazzo's core isn't topped out yet but will beat trump when done if I recall...

[kenratboy]

Thanks for all the pictures guys!

I live in Reno and I love seeing all the progress being made in Vegas (everything is on hold in Reno at the moment except for the Peppermill tower going up) - I will definitely be visiting soon, just to see it.

Last time I was in Vegas was the summer before 9/11. I bet a lot has changed (for better or worse)

I want to do some watch shopping :-)

[CHAPINM1]

I'd go with Trump right now because they've already poured the 64th floor and only have 36' of steel to put up for the roof/big white band around the top. Palazzo's core isn't topped out yet but will beat trump when done if I recall...

Palazzo will be 642 feet, and Trump will be 645 feet. Trump will beat the Palazzo by only 3 feet. :haha:

[mdiederi]

According to Emporis (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=101318&bt=2&ht=2&sro=1), Trump will be 623 feet (190 meters). Trump is currently a little taller than Palazzo because they didn't have to dig such a big hole and were able to go vertical sooner, but the Palazzo core is pert near the same height already and the steel is going up very fast. Emporis used to have the second Trump tower listed as being a little taller than Palazzo, but it's no longer on the list, but I believe the project is still going to happen.

[spoonman]

Serious question for Las Vegas forumers...

Are any of you sad to see the old properties fade away or does everyone just want to see tall buildings?

As a southern California resident, I am very fond of Las Vegas. I have been going there for years and have slowly seen it change over time. I even lived in Las Vegas from 2000-2002. Unfortunately, in my opinion I feel like all the things that made Las Vegas unique are slowly disappearing. All the old casinos with history and their own story. I think the best time in Las Vegas was in the mid 90's when there was a mix of old and new. Now it looks like Miami to me...just full of condo's. It's like they bulldozed the attractions so they could build close to the attractions, not realizing there's not much left. No offense to any Las Vegas forumers, I was a resident myself, but I miss the old properties and their unique character.

[future29]

Way to go Mark aka jazfingr!

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/04/02/news/iq_13454244.txt

You're famous!

nice. btw i also live in costa mesa and i have never been able to get to vegas in 3 hours!

[CHAPINM1]

Serious question for Las Vegas forumers...

Are any of you sad to see the old properties fade away or does everyone just want to see tall buildings?

As a southern California resident, I am very fond of Las Vegas. I have been going there for years and have slowly seen it change over time. I even lived in Las Vegas from 2000-2002. Unfortunately, in my opinion I feel like all the things that made Las Vegas unique are slowly disappearing. All the old casinos with history and their own story. I think the best time in Las Vegas was in the mid 90's when there was a mix of old and new. Now it looks like Miami to me...just full of condo's. It's like they bulldozed the attractions so they could build close to the attractions, not realizing there's not much left. No offense to any Las Vegas forumers, I was a resident myself, but I miss the old properties and their unique character.

All these condo developments should be built downtown. That way they can still be built without the loss of iconic structures and it's not in the restricted FAA zone. Seriously, it's not miles and miles from the main part of the strip. Also, with the monorail constantly expanding that will bridge the gap between the two that much more!

BTW, wasn't the Fountainbleau project supposed to be over 1,000 feet? If so what a f***in shame!!! Then again if they didn't try to go for a site in the FAA restricted zone than they would have not have ran into that problem. They should have built where the Ivana project was supposed to go, at least that is approved up to 921 feet. Why did they plan for something that tall there if they knew all they were in for was a big letdown? Isn't the project now supposed to be only 725 feet? If so how many floors will it be? For a project that's under construction we haven't been given hardly any if not close to no information about the project at all... :(

[mdiederi]

So far there is only one condo tower directly on the Strip, Sky. Not a single resort has been replaced by a condo tower.

[spoonman]

^Not yet...and you probably don't count time shares

Good job answering a legitimate question:rolleyes:

[CHAPINM1]

So far there is only one condo tower directly on the Strip, Sky. Not a single resort has been replaced by a condo tower.

I think he's thinking about projects like Project City Center, that complex will have condos included as one of the uses.

[beets281]

The Ivana site would of been a horrible place for the Fountainbleau. Even though it is approved for a tall structure the parcel is tiny.

[gmcclenon]

When I was in Vegas last weekend I spoke with every doorman and cabby I came across about all the current developments. I heard many good insights, like how people that are renting at MGM Signature love the units. How they will never go back to a regular hotel. How MGM markets their own hotel and never mentions the Signature towers even when they have no occupancy. (Maybe that's why MGM kept changing the name of the Signature towers. Have you even done an on-line search to try and rent one?) PCC, Palazzo, Encore. They are dialed in to what's going on in their city. Even a doorman at the Saharah told me about the deal going down to sell it a few weeks before it was anounced.

But one place no one there has ever heard of: Fontainebleau. They did not believe me when I told them construction had already started. That's how quiet they are keeping Fontainebleau. Even the locals don't know it's going in!

[mdiederi]

Negative story about Allure Tower Two. (http://lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/04/02/news/iq_13459505.txt)

Noticed that they started taking the crane down from Tower One.

[CHAPINM1]

Seeing as how little info there is about Fountainebleau, I'll take 725 feet as it's original height because that's all I've heard about the tower. I'll take anything regarding it as originally being above 1,000 feet as a rumor. Now I'll be able to sleep better. :haha:

[clark]

All these condo developments should be built downtown. That way they can still be built without the loss of iconic structures and it's not in the restricted FAA zone. Seriously, it's not miles and miles from the main part of the strip. Also, with the monorail constantly expanding that will bridge the gap between the two that much more!

BTW, wasn't the Fountainbleau project supposed to be over 1,000 feet? If so what a f***in shame!!! Then again if they didn't try to go for a site in the FAA restricted zone than they would have not have ran into that problem. They should have built where the Ivana project was supposed to go, at least that is approved up to 921 feet. Why did they plan for something that tall there if they knew all they were in for was a big letdown? Isn't the project now supposed to be only 725 feet? If so how many floors will it be? For a project that's under construction we haven't been given hardly any if not close to no information about the project at all... :(

The Ivana/Summit site is only about two acres. The Fountainbleau site is 21 acres. A mixed use casino/hotel/condotel project requires a much larger footprint than a pure condo.

[StatenIslander237]

I've been thinking.....has anyone ever thought about what people might do 50 years from now in Las Vegas. Like I mean, if nothing is sacred in Vegas, would that mean that people might want to raze properties like Venetian, Bellagio, Paris, and the like..? Will today's properties be sacred in 2050, if the Stardust, Sands, Dunes, etc. turned out to not be safe from the bulldozer today?

Just something to think about....

[kenratboy]

I've been thinking.....has anyone ever thought about what people might do 50 years from now in Las Vegas. Like I mean, if nothing is sacred in Vegas, would that mean that people might want to raze properties like Venetian, Bellagio, Paris, and the like..? Will today's properties be sacred in 2050, if the Stardust, Sands, Dunes, etc. turned out to not be safe from the bulldozer today?

Just something to think about....

Honestly, there is nothing special about Bellagio or any of the resorts there. They are trendy money-making appliances that will eventually need to be replaced or upgraded. It is the very nature of Vegas to move on from the old and bring in the new. If it was not this way, it really would not be Vegas.

Imagine how lame Vegas would be if none of the old stuff was demolished...

[mdiederi]

First off, why would anybody ever consider a casino "sacred"?

Second, these buildings are replaced for economic reasons, so it depends on how competitive these buildings are fifty years from now and their location. Caesars and the Flamingo are old, but they have upgraded and expanded and are still economically competitive. The Stardust could barely command a $39 room rate, but the location has the potential to make billions, so it had to go.

Thirdly, Vegas has had very few large buildings demolished compared to large cities back east. Demolitions are a fact of life in every big city. I guess because of the publicity around Vegas implosions people think this is the only place that happens, but it's not.

[lfc4life]

First off, why would anybody ever consider a casino "sacred"?

Second, these buildings are replaced for economic reasons, so it depends on how competitive these buildings are fifty years from now and their location. Caesars and the Flamingo are old, but they have upgraded and expanded and are still economically competitive. The Stardust could barely command a $39 room rate, but the location has the potential to make billions, so it had to go.

Thirdly, Vegas has had very few large buildings demolished compared to large cities back east. Demolitions are a fact of life in every big city. I guess because of the publicity around Vegas implosions people think this is the only place that happens, but it's not.

Fantastic point mdiederi why are people considering places like the Sands, Dunes and Stardust or casinos in general sacred???

I was lucky enough to do a bit of gambling in the Desert Inn back in 1999 and 2000 and always made sure I popped into the Stardust any time I was in Vegas.

Sure it is sad to see the old places go but that's what makes vegas so great, "out with the old and in with the new". If I didnt visit New York, LA Chicago, London, Rome or Paris for 25 years I would see little change upon my return. I certainly can't say that about las vegas. Even since I was there in February (less than 2 months ago) we have had 2 implosions on the Strip and a number of hotels/condos have broke ground.

[gmcclenon]

Old casinos are like classic cars. Everyone loves to look at them and maybe even occasionally drive their old car, but when it comes to driving it with any regularity.... forget it. We love our old casinos and old cars but give us the new ones to actually use.

[Fido]

I like Vegas because of all these themed hotel/casino. It is completely original and I like that but it appears that now, the new constructions don't have this originality anymore. It's a race to the top with glassy building, I like them but that's not the reason why Vegas is fascinating me :(

[VegasMatt]

I like Vegas because of all these themed hotel/casino. It is completely original and I like that but it appears that now, the new constructions don't have this originality anymore. It's a race to the top with glassy building, I like them but that's not the reason why Vegas is fascinating me :(

I agree, I’m not thrilled about the apparent lack of creativity of some of the new glass casinos. Especially, the fact that it does not seem like any of them are bringing any new original attractions with them. However, I think it’s best to suspend some judgment until a few of these buildings are complete.
To be sure, the curved glass building craze is the latest fad, as where the themed hotels where the fad before them. I don’t think this is the end all of fads in Las Vegas. Hang in there; I think there is a lot more crazy architecture to come. That’s what makes this town great!

Also, the days of the themed attractions are not necessary over yet, don’t forget about: The Palazzo, The Next Caesar Expansion, Harrod’s, Town Square, and Las Vegas Wet.

Who know's what Harrah's has in store for us. :)

[The_Analyst]

Old casinos are like classic cars. Everyone loves to look at them and maybe even occasionally drive their old car, but when it comes to driving it with any regularity.... forget it. We love our old casinos and old cars but give us the new ones to actually use.

I completely agree. Old casinos might be nostalgic and attract the old stalwarts and a few people wandering through. But, unless you are running a museum, that's not a target market to go after. What would be kind of cool is if the new casinos incorporated some of the old elements in the same way as the historic neon displays downtown. For example, imagine a bar with the original stage from the Sands, or a poker room that used chandeliers from the Desert Inn. Or, displays like at the Hard Rock but for casino items rather than music. Or a small number of hotel rooms decorated in the same style as in the 50's.

[ScottG]

city center hotel now has glass cladding on it...maybe its just a test sample - its on the back --- drive north on the 1 and youll see it (if you live here)


its actually looks great. i love how the facade is not flat, each room is 'beveled'

[StatenIslander237]

hmm....yea i guess noone can predict the future. I was just thinking about that expression: "In Vegas, nothing is sacred."

and I think, if Las Vegas really wants to be a world-class city, as well as ever-changing tourist attraction, they should preserve some history within their town. After all, New York, Paris, and London may not be the City of Sin, but do pretty good anyway. :rolleyes:

I also then wonder, why did some classic hotels (Caesars, Flamingo) fare well as time went on, and others (Stardust, Sands) didn't, even though they had equally legendary pasts?

If I had to choose, I would want Caesars, Flamingo (already Vegas landmarks), and Mirage (first megaresort = landmark) to be kept forever.

I would also be sad to see places like the Venetian, Paris Las Vegas, the MGM Grand, and the Bellagio to leave so quickly as some have.

I can only imagine the undertaking it would be to demolish those monsters, even in the year 2050. :)

[ScottG]

Milam's Las Vegas Tower on Life Support?
April 3, 2007
Thanks to 'Redneck' for sending this info in. The 1,888 foot 'Las Vegas Tower' project, proposed for construction on the former 'Wet N' Wild' site near the Sahara may be dead. The developer, Christopher Milam, missed a $40 million payment to the landowner, Archon Corp., this past weekend.

For a developer working on a $4.8 billion project to miss a $40 million payment isn't a good sign for the project. For the property owner not to boot them and find someone else isn't a good sign for the demand for that land (at least at the prices they want). The $40 million payment has had it's due date extended to May 31, 2007 - this is the third time the date has been moved and each time LVTI pays about $250,000 for the option so they actually are putting some cash in but things still look shaky at best

[LMich]

Scott G. where is the link to the news blurb?

[Taurus702B]

First off, why would anybody ever consider a casino "sacred"?

Second, these buildings are replaced for economic reasons, so it depends on how competitive these buildings are fifty years from now and their location. Caesars and the Flamingo are old, but they have upgraded and expanded and are still economically competitive. The Stardust could barely command a $39 room rate, but the location has the potential to make billions, so it had to go.

Thirdly, Vegas has had very few large buildings demolished compared to large cities back east. Demolitions are a fact of life in every big city. I guess because of the publicity around Vegas implosions people think this is the only place that happens, but it's not.

Well the reason Las Vegas gets a lot of publicity in implosions is because we do them with fireworks and things like that. In larger cities they are just plain and boring.

[Taurus702B]

I like Vegas because of all these themed hotel/casino. It is completely original and I like that but it appears that now, the new constructions don't have this originality anymore. It's a race to the top with glassy building, I like them but that's not the reason why Vegas is fascinating me :(

Same here.

[philip]

I also then wonder, why did some classic hotels (Caesars, Flamingo) fare well as time went on, and others (Stardust, Sands) didn't, even though they had equally legendary pasts? If I had to choose, I would want Caesars, Flamingo (already Vegas landmarks), and Mirage (first megaresort = landmark) to be kept forever.
Caesars and Flamingo still fare well because they have attractions (talking statues and mini-zoo) that captivate the audience. Stardust doesn't have anything to pull the customers from the sidewalk. Mirage will continue to fare well for a a number of years for the same reason.

This is why attractions are so important in that in determines the shelf-life of a casino. I don't know what attraction is inside the City Center Casino, and that's what worries me. Without any unique attractions, it will just look like an office building in New York like the Time Warner Center. But maybe this is what the "younger generation" prefers; same thing as our generation (twenty-something years old) likes hotels themed to landmark.

[beets281]

Caesars Palace was built on a massive land plot and they had no idea that in 40 years that the industry would grow as much as it did. Caesars was able to adapt by expanding and adding new venues along with a complete remodel. I would imagine if the Sardust and Flamingo were constructed at each others location then we most likely would of seen the Flamingo fall last March.

[VegasBound]

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[TheOldMan]

^^^^ Hey man welcome to SKyscraper page. just to let you know, this isn't the real estate classified section. if you have news on developments great. post them. but don't post want ads or for sale ads. Although your unit looks nice, posting it here in this forum is inappropriate. If you have any interesting news on large high-rise developments around town, we are all ears.

[mttbox]

I was talking to a guy who is going to purchase a high-rise condo in Vegas, he told me that there are already some Panorama towers unit that is foreclosure, foreclosure already!!?? Wow.

[StatenIslander237]

Caesars and Flamingo still fare well because they have attractions (talking statues and mini-zoo) that captivate the audience. Stardust doesn't have anything to pull the customers from the sidewalk. Mirage will continue to fare well for a a number of years for the same reason.

This is why attractions are so important in that in determines the shelf-life of a casino. I don't know what attraction is inside the City Center Casino, and that's what worries me. Without any unique attractions, it will just look like an office building in New York like the Time Warner Center. But maybe this is what the "younger generation" prefers; same thing as our generation (twenty-something years old) likes hotels themed to landmark.

Time Warner is the shit. :D

well... the City Center is not first-and-foremost an attraction, like most of the last 15 years' megaresorts. Its designed to be a sophisticated urban living environment before its anything else. I think it brings Las Vegas up to the true caliber of a city, which is why I like it.

while we're on that topic:
Echelon Place, on the other hand, i believe is trying to copy that style into a traditional resort type, which leads me to view its future as more questionable. If it pulls in any customers it will be for the Delano and Mondrian labels, and I think it might fare well if it plays up the miami/hollywood-esque chic that those two labels are known for. otherwise it will probably falter in the long run.

[ScottG]

I FOUND THE MILAM TOWER NEWS HERE:

http://www.ratevegas.com/blog/2007/04/milams_las_vega.html

[mdiederi]

Ah, Stern just posted on there and that's the first I heard of any mention of Lincoln Property Company's possible involvement with LVT. Wish Stern would post here more, even though he's very opinionated he has a lot of good inside-leads on developments.