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heyyoucharlie
Apr 26, 2007, 10:05 PM
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:previous: from: Downtown Joe


Build it... Build it now!!!... As much as I enjoy First Friday, build this NOW!!!... :yes:

It would be a great addition to the Strip/Downtown area!!! :banana:

Silas
Apr 26, 2007, 10:29 PM
The difference between the LV Strip and Downtown - "The Sale of Two Titties" -- I mean "The Tale of Two Cities".

This should be taught in all economic, poli sci., government planning, social mumbo jumbo classes.

Bottom line - you can not have your extreme liberal social welfare cake and eat it too. The reason downtown will always suck sh*t is because of the liberal government policies. The freedom away from these government policies - i.e. 'The Strip' is thriving.

For this discussion, the relevance is that NO PROJECT WILL HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. All progress will be North of Sahara.

Silas
Apr 27, 2007, 12:14 AM
umm, I mean South of Sahara. or whatever. :notacrook:

heyyoucharlie
Apr 27, 2007, 12:41 AM
:previous: Honestly, I think if they get one project going up there... we will see a rush projects... The Strat will be improved, along with the land across the street will get developed...

Who wouldn't like to see this project go down???

highriseLV
Apr 27, 2007, 4:54 AM
Another thing to remember is that CityCenter is not even in the city limits, it's in the township of Paradise, so maybe it should be called "TownCenter".

Another thing I've been wondering about is what kind of access will CityCenter have to the freeway? Will they make Harmon an actual interchange? Right now it's just an overpass and doesn't connect to the freeway. So if you live at CityCenter and want to jump on the freeway you will have to drive through the gridlock around Bellagio or NYNY, or take Frank Sinatra all the way up to Spring Mountain or down to Russell, or you could connect to Dean Martin and hook up with Flamingo on the other side. Harmon never was a major intersection on the Strip in the past.

Exactly! I read everyone's posts almost on a daily basis, but rarely post myself - mainly because I believe CC is just another HUGE tourist trap. To me, that project makes a lot of sense for MGM, and people who have more money than they know what to do with and just want to be able to say that they own something in CC, or on the strip. To think that someone would consider living in that project on a full time basis, or even a second home that they plan on spending any good amount of time in, is a joke! I have lived in Vegas for almost ten years, and I avoid the strip like the plague. If you lived in CC, and worked in CC or neighboring property - okay, maybe. But honestly, have these buyers ever driven LV BLVD, or any street that runs perpendicular? To deal with that mess on a daily basis, you'd have to be out of your mind. Yes, I am a huge fan of downtown, because after all, it is the true center of the city, and the only place in Clark County that makes sense for people to live in a high rise on a full time basis. I know there are other projects like One LV, Queensridge, and even Sullivan Square - but where are they, and walking out the front door of the lobby, what do they have? They have the developer's idea for restaurants and shops, and the other amenities of the complex. It isn't the same as other great cities across the country where those who live in the true core of the city have the freedom to step out of the lobby and walk to other buildings for all of their everyday needs and wants - without having to fight with hundreds of thousands of tourists each day. Architecturally, CC is may be the next wonder of the world - but let's get real - it is the next "newer, bigger, better" LV tourist trap.

JonVegas
Apr 27, 2007, 5:29 AM
The difference between the LV Strip and Downtown - "The Sale of Two Titties" -- I mean "The Tale of Two Cities".

This should be taught in all economic, poli sci., government planning, social mumbo jumbo classes.

Bottom line - you can not have your extreme liberal social welfare cake and eat it too. The reason downtown will always suck sh*t is because of the liberal government policies. The freedom away from these government policies - i.e. 'The Strip' is thriving.

For this discussion, the relevance is that NO PROJECT WILL HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. All progress will be North of Sahara.

Downtown is pretty thriving right now despite what you may think. All my friends and I frequent the cool newer areas of Fremont: The Griffin, Beauty Bar, Hennessey's, BunkHouse. I've seen shows at Celebrity (great venue). I eat all the time at the 777. Downtown is totally "in" right now. It's like a hidden classy treasure that is full of young people every night.
I can't imagine ever meeting anyone cool on the strip. It's just full of creeps and cougars.
I shudder every time someone wants to go down to the strip. It's a hassle.

You totally lost me on the liberal policies part btw.

BruceH
Apr 27, 2007, 5:37 AM
Exactly! I read everyone's posts almost on a daily basis, but rarely post myself - mainly because I believe CC is just another HUGE tourist trap. To me, that project makes a lot of sense for MGM, and people who have more money than they know what to do with and just want to be able to say that they own something in CC, or on the strip. To think that someone would consider living in that project on a full time basis, or even a second home that they plan on spending any good amount of time in, is a joke! I have lived in Vegas for almost ten years, and I avoid the strip like the plague. If you lived in CC, and worked in CC or neighboring property - okay, maybe. But honestly, have these buyers ever driven LV BLVD, or any street that runs perpendicular? To deal with that mess on a daily basis, you'd have to be out of your mind. Yes, I am a huge fan of downtown, because after all, it is the true center of the city, and the only place in Clark County that makes sense for people to live in a high rise on a full time basis. I know there are other projects like One LV, Queensridge, and even Sullivan Square - but where are they, and walking out the front door of the lobby, what do they have? They have the developer's idea for restaurants and shops, and the other amenities of the complex. It isn't the same as other great cities across the country where those who live in the true core of the city have the freedom to step out of the lobby and walk to other buildings for all of their everyday needs and wants - without having to fight with hundreds of thousands of tourists each day. Architecturally, CC is may be the next wonder of the world - but let's get real - it is the next "newer, bigger, better" LV tourist trap.
It's more like urban versus suburban living. Our clients who bought CC already come from cities like Shanghai, Tokyo, London, Toronto, NYC etc where they are use to urban and high rise living. I live on the Strip in a high rise and love it. Can't stand the traffic going to suburbia. I can get to restaurants, airport, services etc all around the Strip in 15-20 minutes. Trip to Summerlin now takes about 30 to 45 minutes or worse depending on traffic. Demand for CC is high as are luxury condos like Sky Las Vegas (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/sky-las-vegas.html), Turnberry Place (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/turnberry-place.html) and Turnberry Towers etc for residential living in the core Strip area. It will only get better with the billions of dollars being invested in all the new casino hotels in the main and North Strip areas.

BruceH
Apr 27, 2007, 5:44 AM
Check out this article. Las Vegas is #2 for Job Growth (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/biz2/0704/gallery.jobs_markets.biz2/2.html).Vegas is getting stronger and stronger contrary to all the naysayers about our real estate market here. Lots of people are still relocating here and looking for housing including high rises. Construction jobs of course continue to be a big part of this, especially for high rises and casino hotel projects.

justdefended
Apr 27, 2007, 5:56 AM
It's more like urban versus suburban living. Our clients who bought CC already come from cities like Shanghai, Tokyo, London, Toronto, NYC etc where they are use to urban and high rise living. I live on the Strip in a high rise and love it. Can't stand the traffic going to suburbia. I can get to restaurants, airport, services etc all around the Strip in 15-20 minutes. Trip to Summerlin now takes about 30 to 45 minutes or worse depending on traffic. Demand for CC is high as are luxury condos like Sky Las Vegas (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/sky-las-vegas.html), Turnberry Place (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/turnberry-place.html) and Turnberry Towers etc for residential living in the core Strip area. It will only get better with the billions of dollars being invested in all the new casino hotels in the main and North Strip areas.

I agree. CityCenter and other Strip projects really do have a micro real estate market that has been able to attract clientele from worldwide markets. The Mandarin selling out 90 percent in weeks is indication of that alone. It's hard to believe that Vegas really is a worldwide destination that has five star entertainment, dining, hotels, and casinos. And the appeal of a low-maintenance residence in the middle of the city is a real attraction to buyers, even though it may seem like the biggest hassle to locals.

RazzMan
Apr 27, 2007, 8:10 PM
Does anyone know how well Trump Tower II is selling????Since the Apprentice show has the hyped slowed down...I'm wondering if this reservation process is just to test the waters on the market and if not enough interest, they will pull the plug on the 2nd Tower prior to hard contracts. I assume if T II gets cancelled, nothing will be able to sell after advertising on National TV for 1 hour.

justdefended
Apr 27, 2007, 9:57 PM
MGM President Jim Murren told the LV Business Press this week that Circus Circus will not be torn down in the near future and will be reinvested in.

"Circus Circus will be around longer than I will and I hope to live a long, healthy life," he said. "It's not for sale. It won't be torn down. It will be reinvested in."

Besides, Murren has a personal stake in Circus' survival. "I'm a father of young kids and if I did anything to hurt Circus Circus, I'd be kicked out of the house."

Looks like that clown really ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/04/27/news/iq_13965707.txt

mdiederi
Apr 27, 2007, 10:44 PM
CB Richard Ellis executive John Knott is vice president of CBRE'S Global Gaming Group and worked on Sahara-owner Gordon Gaming Corp.'s behalf -- first on the casino sale to SBE, then when MGM purchased the company's 26-acre parcel across the Strip. He says the move northward was always in the cards.

"It's pretty clear that people who want to expand on the Strip have to go north," he opined.

Knott compares it to Manhattan, where high-density development in the south and south-central sections gives way to lower density in the "20" and "30" blocks. "Those areas are prime opportunities. The north end of the Strip was where it was all happening in the 1970s and '80s," Knott said.

As far as developments go, he predicts the Stratosphere will have some tall company. "People are going as high as possible," Knott said, illustrating the point by describing how companies can squeeze more return out of denser developments.

BruceH
Apr 28, 2007, 3:22 AM
MGM President Jim Murren told the LV Business Press this week that Circus Circus will not be torn down in the near future and will be reinvested in.

"Circus Circus will be around longer than I will and I hope to live a long, healthy life," he said. "It's not for sale. It won't be torn down. It will be reinvested in."

Besides, Murren has a personal stake in Circus' survival. "I'm a father of young kids and if I did anything to hurt Circus Circus, I'd be kicked out of the house."

Looks like that clown really ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/04/27/news/iq_13965707.txt Isn't it up to the MGM Mirage shareholders to decide? A publically traded company's shareholders expect major return on investment and CC is not pulling its potential weight. If it can't be made over then expect shareholder pressure to match the high end properties like Echelon, Palazzo, Fontainebleau etc. Even the Sahara makeover is now going to take 2 to 2.5 years, not just a paint job. North Strip is on fire and MGM will have to play in the same ball game or get pressure from its shareholders big time.

Silas
Apr 28, 2007, 3:27 AM
MGM will land bank the entire parcel and ensure North Strip to be relative dead zone. It is very clear. Look at VegasTAT dude's 'Who Owns What' map to see clearly that MGM has every incentive to keep North Strip a dead zone. Nine of their ten resorts are South/Mid Strip. Why, why, why would they want to enhance North Strip experience for everyone else at their own expense? They would not.

And the part about shareholders having a say about anything that any company does. Yeah right.

NYC2ATX
Apr 28, 2007, 5:27 AM
I don't really like the idea of major developments in that part of Las Vegas. The Arts District is like Vegas' SoHo. It should be left alone, even if Downtown and the Strip are going vertical north and south of them. No one is Vegas knows streets, and classic urban spaces. Mega resorts with casinos, and pedestrian bridges are the norm here, and that's ok. But let the arts blossom in Vegas, not everything needs to be bulldozed if it doesn't turn a profit immediately.

LMich
Apr 28, 2007, 5:57 AM
As someone from back East, I always liked the feel of the Arts District. It's really not much, but it's gritty, pedestrian-oriented (at least more so than most parts of the valley), and reminded me a little of home. I agree, I'd like to see it largely left alone. An extra Metro presence couldn't hurt it, though.

BruceH
Apr 29, 2007, 2:04 AM
MGM will land bank the entire parcel and ensure North Strip to be relative dead zone. It is very clear. Look at VegasTAT dude's 'Who Owns What' map to see clearly that MGM has every incentive to keep North Strip a dead zone. Nine of their ten resorts are South/Mid Strip. Why, why, why would they want to enhance North Strip experience for everyone else at their own expense? They would not.

And the part about shareholders having a say about anything that any company does. Yeah right. Just like I got the negative feedback on this forum when I predicted MGM would buy the land all the way down to the Sahara lot and they did. Don't know where you get your information but our contacts tell us a very different story. North Strip is going to be developed and is very hot now with many projects underway in the billions. So interesting you have such a negative view of North Strip and believe MGM won't act on their North Strip land holdings. I'll bet otherwise.

mdiederi
Apr 29, 2007, 3:21 AM
MGM will land bank the entire parcel and ensure North Strip to be relative dead zone.
MGM management is obviously implementing a growth strategy. "Land banking" aimed at depressing a market is not a growth strategy. All of MGM's current properties south of Spring Mountain are maxed out with 85-100% occupancy rates and there is no land left for another magaresort down there, just little slivers of land where they can plug in a skinny boutique hotel or condo hotel here or there. Besides, it's too late to land bank the north end of the Strip, there are already 9 condo towers north of Spring Mountain and the Fontainebleau and Encore resorts are already under construction and Echelon starts in a couple months, and the Sahara has an extremely capable new owner -- all of which is being developed even with the empty land on the corner before MGM bought it. Now, financial power house Goldman Sachs just entered the fray and the MGM purchase might have been the final impetus that motivated them to go ahead with the Strat purchase, so the land banking theory might have already backfired because it's motivating others to buy-in and build. MGM would be shooting themselves in the foot not to build new revenue streams on the north end where the new synergy is brewing, they would get clobbered on Wall Street if they didn't have a future growth path after CityCenter opens. Maybe land banking works as a strategy in other cities, but I don't see evidence of it in Las Vegas. Up until now the Strip has always had big empty lots, it used to be the middle of no where. Mirage was a big empty lot for decades but Caesars had no problem making a killing next door. CityCenter has always been a big empty spot on the Strip but Bellagio had no problem raking in the cash next door. I don't know where the land banking theory comes from. Although, I kind of understand what you're implying, because the south end of the strip will always have an advantage over the north end because most tourists enter the resort corridor from the south, either from the airport or driving from L.A., and that's the first thing they see.

mdiederi
Apr 29, 2007, 4:17 AM
The Arts District is like Vegas' SoHo.
It probably has more in common with NYC's Chelsea art district than SOHO since it's mostly a gritty industrial and warehouse area, especially over there by the Neon Nights proposal, but it has comparatively none of the influx of money and talent that the NY districts have. The Las Vegas Arts District was well intentioned, but it has mostly been a flop in terms of creating an art market. The only time gallery goers go to the Arts District is for the First Friday street party every month and that's mostly just a freak show with a bunch of college kids on the make, and you know they don't have any money to buy art. The rest of the time it's dead except for the zombie homeless people who live in the alleys. Aside from the poor quality art, part of the problem with the Arts District is that the buildings down there don't really lend themselves very well to a live-work type of set up for artists and the architecture has absolutely zero style or charm or cohesiveness or functionality. The street layout is tightly woven, by Vegas standards, so it would be a good walkable area if it had the right type of buildings, but it doesn't. There aren't any buildings at all with residential lofts or apartments upstairs and shop space down stairs. Hopefully all the highrise condo proposals will generate a better market for galleries and specialty shops and restaurants in the area and more live/work type of buildings will be built. Holesome Lofts is a good attempt at what the Arts District should do with some of the existing buildings, but most of the businesses in there are hurting pretty bad from what I've heard because the rents are higher than places like the Arts Factory and there isn't a strong clientele in the area. There are quite a few empty lots and condemned buildings down there right now. Not sure how Neon Nights is configured, but if they put the arena and casino towards the railroad tracks on the west side and put the condo towers on the east side, it might actually help development of an urban village setting in the arts district. But, If they put the casino and arena on the east side of the site it would definitely hurt the development of an urban village in the Arts District. I did notice the other day a couple more proposals in the city planning agendas for live/work type of buildings around 4th street and Charleston.

LMich
Apr 29, 2007, 4:50 AM
mdiederi,

You make a good point, but that is what worries me about the success of the Arts District (i.e. that it's not built for such a conversion), and it's really the problem of Vegas if you're hoping to create pedestrian-friendly, hemmed-in, authentic neighborhoods.

I mean, yeah, you could bulldoze most of this and put in a Disney-like Arts District, but that would defeat the purpose of such a disitrict in the first place. Worst yet is that anything that's bulldozed is probably going to shoot up in value, lending itself to a district where only rich hipsters could live, further defeating the purpose.

We can already see the gentrification of creeping up on this hood with developments like SoHo and Newport. It seems like this area is simply destined to become a high-rise "Midway" district that will connect the Strip and Downtown, anyway.

That said, I think a really great place to create something authentically and historically Vegas would be along East Fremont just east of downtown. This may get some laughs from you guys, but I think this could be a very interesting and liveable hood in the future.

BTW,

I remember back in the run-up to the construction of Stratosphere "Stupak" Tower that the developer aquired a butt-load of land, I heard, to force people out of the surrounding areas (a really shady hood...still is) to make it more desirable. Does anyone know approximately how much land they own around the tower, and in which direction, or is this just a rumor.

MrVegas
Apr 29, 2007, 5:54 AM
Steel is beginning to rise for the Fontainebleau Tower.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8606/newfontgy4.jpg


Two tower cranes at the Planet Hollywood Towers site are being assembled.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1193/phtowersok0.jpg

VegasBound
Apr 29, 2007, 6:37 AM
Why, why, why would they want to enhance North Strip experience for everyone else at their own expense? They would not.

I am with those that disagree with this statement. The only thing that would stop MGM from going full throttle ahead with enhancements of their North Strip properties would be a general downturn in the Vegas economy. I would never say that could never happen but it is not going to happen any time soon.

Although I would love to see Circus Circus scraped or at least majorly remodeled, I hope the rush to luxury that seems to be happening does not leave the strip short of middle tier and family friendly offerings. A good mix will be healthiest for the strip overall.

sky-of-webs
Apr 29, 2007, 11:09 PM
Exactly! I read everyone's posts almost on a daily basis, but rarely post myself - mainly because I believe CC is just another HUGE tourist trap. To me, that project makes a lot of sense for MGM, and people who have more money than they know what to do with and just want to be able to say that they own something in CC, or on the strip. To think that someone would consider living in that project on a full time basis, or even a second home that they plan on spending any good amount of time in, is a joke! I have lived in Vegas for almost ten years, and I avoid the strip like the plague. If you lived in CC, and worked in CC or neighboring property - okay, maybe. But honestly, have these buyers ever driven LV BLVD, or any street that runs perpendicular? To deal with that mess on a daily basis, you'd have to be out of your mind. Yes, I am a huge fan of downtown, because after all, it is the true center of the city, and the only place in Clark County that makes sense for people to live in a high rise on a full time basis. I know there are other projects like One LV, Queensridge, and even Sullivan Square - but where are they, and walking out the front door of the lobby, what do they have? They have the developer's idea for restaurants and shops, and the other amenities of the complex. It isn't the same as other great cities across the country where those who live in the true core of the city have the freedom to step out of the lobby and walk to other buildings for all of their everyday needs and wants - without having to fight with hundreds of thousands of tourists each day. Architecturally, CC is may be the next wonder of the world - but let's get real - it is the next "newer, bigger, better" LV tourist trap.LVHIGHRISE

It's more like urban versus suburban living. Our clients who bought CC already come from cities like Shanghai, Tokyo, London, Toronto, NYC etc where they are use to urban and high rise living. I live on the Strip in a high rise and love it. Can't stand the traffic going to suburbia. I can get to restaurants, airport, services etc all around the Strip in 15-20 minutes. Trip to Summerlin now takes about 30 to 45 minutes or worse depending on traffic. Demand for CC is high as are luxury condos like Sky Las Vegas (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/sky-las-vegas.html), Turnberry Place (http://www.luxuryrealtygroup.com/turnberry-place.html) and Turnberry Towers etc for residential living in the core Strip area. It will only get better with the billions of dollars being invested in all the new casino hotels in the main and North Strip areas.

LVHIGHRISE is pointing out the fact that there is no residential component to the casino condo towers beyond the living space. If someone lives in these props including sky,turnberry, and allure the only place to eat is a couple of 5 star restraunts costing a fortune or the casino food court or buffet. There is no supermarket and never will be. At CC a resident is locked into a tourist geared setting with no easy access to the real world. People from the highrise cities mentioned are accustomed to urban living yes, but having a home in the center of Disney Land is not the kind of place a majority of people rich or not are looking for.

A quick poll here. With the current allignment of the casino and other towers, who here thinks Echelon has any chance of being a profitable property.

I don't.

LMich
Apr 30, 2007, 12:28 AM
As with countless other downtown redevelopments across this country where residential come first, and then amenities later, this will be no different. Why you're painting this as entirely different situation is beyond me. I know from my little city center undergoing redevelopment residential is being built without even a hint of amenities to service these in sites. For awhile, people will have to commute outwards to get serviced, but as the number of units becomes self sustaining the retail will follow just as it always had and always will.

ScottG
Apr 30, 2007, 12:46 AM
one las vegas - tower 2 is not topped out (we havnt really followed up on this project much)

trump tower 2 will make its appearance on the apprentice sunday (today)

the teams have to come up with marketing plans.


get this,
apparently trump las vegas tower 1 and 2 is trump most expensive project to date

SpeedyFarrar
Apr 30, 2007, 1:48 AM
trump tower 2 will make its appearance on the apprentice sunday (today)

the teams have to come up with marketing plans.


That episode aired 2 weeks ago.....

mdiederi
Apr 30, 2007, 2:44 AM
Some where I read that CityCenter will have a grocery store. I think you can also order groceries over the internet from Albertsons and they will deliver them.

....

I think the humongous convention center planned at Echelon Place is a big part of their strategy for filling rooms. But I too hope the towers get a redesign.

....

Noticed that they are dismantling the tower crane at Spanish View Towers, after being stalled for almost a year. Not sure if they are totally giving up or if they got a new contractor who wants to replace it with their own crane?

williasj
Apr 30, 2007, 5:01 AM
i have heard that a whole foods is planned as a part of the turnberry town square project. So there will be a grocery just south of the mandalay bay. There are other grocery stores in the area, not on the strip give you, but not to far either. Everything is an evolving process

Vtown420
Apr 30, 2007, 5:41 AM
...part of the problem with the Arts District is that the buildings down there don't really lend themselves very well to a live-work type of set up for artists and the architecture has absolutely zero style or charm or cohesiveness or functionality. The street layout is tightly woven, by Vegas standards, so it would be a good walkable area if it had the right type of buildings, but it doesn't. There aren't any buildings at all with residential lofts or apartments upstairs and shop space down stairs. Hopefully all the highrise condo proposals will generate a better market for galleries and specialty shops and restaurants in the area and more live/work type of buildings will be built. Holesome Lofts is a good attempt at what the Arts District should do with some of the existing buildings, but most of the businesses in there are hurting pretty bad from what I've heard because the rents are higher than places like the Arts Factory and there isn't a strong clientele in the area. There are quite a few empty lots and condemned buildings down there right now. Not sure how Neon Nights is configured, but if they put the arena and casino towards the railroad tracks on the west side and put the condo towers on the east side, it might actually help development of an urban village setting in the arts district. But, If they put the casino and arena on the east side of the site it would definitely hurt the development of an urban village in the Arts District. I did notice the other day a couple more proposals in the city planning agendas for live/work type of buildings around 4th street and Charleston.

You’re absolutely right. It could be a great walkable neighborhood, all it needs are some better buildings where people can live. The streets downtown and in the arts district and are laid out so it can become a great urban area. Downtown has so much potential, I can’t wait until it becomes a better place to live, hell I might even condsider buying a condo down there some day. I hope in ten years it will resemble downtown San Diego. Right now, I don't think there is even a grocery store downtown.

I was really hoping the arena would be across from city hall or somewhere close by so the crowds could empty out onto Fremont Street. But now that I think about it, if they plan Neon lights right, it could really become an interesting area. It seems like they don't really have a plan for an arena. They keep throwing out new locations and are just desperate to get it built. So what do you guys think is the best location for a new arena?

Vegas Grows Up
Apr 30, 2007, 5:14 PM
SKY OF WEBS

You said "There is no supermarket and never will be"



There will be a small supermarket at Vdara, this is a fact and confirmed.

Whole Foods will now appear at Town Square from what I hear.

gmcclenon
Apr 30, 2007, 11:15 PM
Few days late on posting these. Took them on Friday 4/27.

LVTI lot is being used for Fontainebleau staging:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/LVTI/CIMG0673.jpg


Fontainebleau foundation really taking off now that they have fixed their original design:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/FontainebleauandTurnberry.jpg


Turnberry Towers don't get much attention:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/4-30%20uploads/TurnberryTowers.jpg


Trump/Echelon and Wynn-Wynn:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/4-30%20uploads/TrumpStardust.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/4-30%20uploads/Encore.jpg


And finally - one more HO on the street:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/HO.jpg

mdiederi
Apr 30, 2007, 11:35 PM
HA! LOL! I wonder if these sign people intentionally keep leaving the "HO" on the signs when ever they get the chance? LOL!

mdiederi
Apr 30, 2007, 11:44 PM
Fontainebleau foundation really taking off now that they have fixed their original design:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/FontainebleauandTurnberry.jpg

From ground level I couldn't tell if that was part of the hotel or the convention area, but your great vantage point makes it pretty clear that the hotel is rising. :tup:

ScottG
May 1, 2007, 2:59 AM
what do you mena after they redesigned fountainebleau foundation is goin fast- what redesign?

beets281
May 1, 2007, 8:27 AM
:cheers: Nice pictures!

philip
May 1, 2007, 9:26 AM
Did they redesign the Fontainebleau? They haven't even released the first official design yet.

gmcclenon
May 1, 2007, 2:22 PM
what do you mena after they redesigned fountainebleau foundation is goin fast- what redesign?

Hey Scott - there was no change in the shape of the foundation of the main tower just a change in the depth and strength. On the most easterly end and the middle portions of the foundation, they changed plans (or corrected errors) and had to dig out and jack hammer the concrete of the drilled and poured pilings. They left the remaining steel and dug much deeper and built larger re-bar reinforced footings around them and went from there. Here's the before/during and after/during shots.

You can see the guys standing on the exposed pilings starting the demo part of the redesign. Photo taken at the end of March:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/CIMG0595.jpg


And in this one you can see how much deeper they ended up digging. You can also make out how much concrete had to be jack hammered out in this after-shot taken on 4/27:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/gdog137/Fontainebleau/Mistake.jpg

Silas
May 1, 2007, 5:47 PM
Wow -- is that kind of blunder common?

Does anyone think that the overall integrity of the building will be in doubt?

gmcclenon
May 1, 2007, 10:05 PM
Might be a blunder or it might be a cheap hedge in case they get their original 1000 foot design ok'ed after their 1888' neighbor to the north gets approved tomorrow. Then I woke up.

theWatusi
May 1, 2007, 10:16 PM
I would hate to be the poor bastard that has to stand out in the sun all day long and jack-hammer out someone's clerical error.

Silas
May 1, 2007, 10:30 PM
Watusi,

It all pays the same.

MrV
May 1, 2007, 11:27 PM
I'm not really familiar with construction, but maybe it is just something normal. That they first pour concrete into the ground and then drill away all the concrete that is above the ground in order to make the steal coming out of the concrete 'connect' better with the rest of the foundation.

ScottG
May 1, 2007, 11:48 PM
more problems at new port - 2 workers critically injured as wind knocks down scaffolding.... (im not sure how old the article is)

http://www.manhattanization.com/news/wind-blown-mishap-at-newport.rub

mdiederi
May 2, 2007, 12:15 AM
I think that was about a month ago, a few days after the roof fell apart.

NYC2ATX
May 2, 2007, 2:22 AM
It probably has more in common with NYC's Chelsea art district than SOHO since it's mostly a gritty industrial and warehouse area, especially over there by the Neon Nights proposal, but it has comparatively none of the influx of money and talent that the NY districts have. The Las Vegas Arts District was well intentioned, but it has mostly been a flop in terms of creating an art market.

I'll rephrase it....It could be Las Vegas' SoHo/Chelsea.

What I meant before is that it will never have a chance to be something like that if it becomes twenty more condo towers. This is like kicking the tortoise out of the race just because he's a little slow. This district could be a true arts community if it utilizes a resource very rarely seen in Vegas...time.

When you say empty lots, you are talking about the Strip itself, correct? The tentative Arts District and "Neon Nights" are in places that do not have empty lots, but like you said, have abandoned warehouses and the like. These are starting points that we can very easily save, just as easily as we can erase them.

Arts and culture are building blocks for a true metropolis, at least IMO. ;)

ScottG
May 2, 2007, 3:39 AM
check this out:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=468829

scroll kinda towards themiddle- some construction photos of maccau.

mgm - kinda weird / good looking.

wynn maccau - puney

and the HUGE ventian. i dont think i like the super sized version

lfc4life
May 2, 2007, 6:15 PM
check this out:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=468829

scroll kinda towards themiddle- some construction photos of maccau.

mgm - kinda weird / good looking.

wynn maccau - puney

and the HUGE ventian. i dont think i like the super sized version


MGM looks kinda cool but another Wynn and another Venetian.... WHY????

In Venetian Macau case who honestly wants to see a copy of a copy????

beets281
May 2, 2007, 8:03 PM
:previous: you act like this is the first time a hotel has made a copy of itself. As of right now there is only one Venetian hotel/casino in the world which billions of people have never set foot in. The new Venetian located half way around the world and will give access to millions of people who will never come to Vegas.

philip
May 2, 2007, 8:31 PM
MGM looks kinda cool but another Wynn and another Venetian.... WHY????

In Venetian Macau case who honestly wants to see a copy of a copy????
You forgot that this is in China, the CopyLand, and people like to see copies, use copies and live in copies. :haha: :haha: :haha:

But you brought up a very good point which shows that MGM is more creative and original. :tup:

justdefended
May 2, 2007, 9:56 PM
I love the MGM Macau design, very unique three strata tower and somehow the colors seem to fit. As for Macau, most likely will not be heading back to see any of these new properties in person.

hotdog
May 3, 2007, 3:09 AM
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=6461201&nav=9qrx

Some accident at Streamline.

mdiederi
May 3, 2007, 3:14 AM
A "building collapse"? Yikes that doesn't sound good.

Edit: Now Channel 3 in Vegas is reporting a crane rescue, but no other details. Probably a crane fell over in the wind maybe?

Edit again: Here's the story (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6461961&nav=menu107_2).

Construction accident and crane rescue downtown

High winds are to blame for a construction accident that severely injured a worker. It happened at about 2 in the afternoon Wednesday at the Streamline Towers on Las Vegas Boulevard across from Neonopolis.

Clark County Fire says strong winds caused some planks of wood to fly into the air and knock the worker over. Both of the worker's legs were broken. Crews had to lower him down from the 23rd floor with a crane. The worker was taken to the hospital where his injuries are said to be non life-threatening.

Vegas Grows Up
May 3, 2007, 3:30 AM
A "building collapse"? Yikes that doesn't sound good.

Edit: Now Channel 3 in Vegas is reporting a crane rescue, but no other details. Probably a crane fell over in the wind maybe?

Edit again: Here's the story (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6461961&nav=menu107_2).

Construction accident and crane rescue downtown

High winds are to blame for a construction accident that severely injured a worker. It happened at about 2 in the afternoon Wednesday at the Streamline Towers on Las Vegas Boulevard across from Neonopolis.

Clark County Fire says strong winds caused some planks of wood to fly into the air and knock the worker over. Both of the worker's legs were broken. Crews had to lower him down from the 23rd floor with a crane. The worker was taken to the hospital where his injuries are said to be non life-threatening.

How did this turn into LAS VEGAS HIGH RISE COLLAPSES breaking news headlines?!

I received multiple emails from sources saying this including a very reliable news channel. I had literally just left the sales center an hour earlier. Scared me!

weathermanstar
May 3, 2007, 7:32 PM
Las Vegas still growing?

LMich
May 4, 2007, 12:06 AM
No, it disappeared, last night. Didn't you hear?

ScottG
May 5, 2007, 5:42 AM
a single engine plane just crash landed on las vegas blvd and warm springs (near the las vegas outlet mall a.k.a. the beltz mall.)

apparently it hit several cars.....

DMaldon762
May 5, 2007, 1:35 PM
http://www.lvrj.com/news/7350231.html

colemonkee
May 5, 2007, 5:03 PM
Thankfully - and surprisingly - no one was seriously hurt. Perhaps it's because Wyatt Earp was there to save the day. ;)

mdiederi
May 6, 2007, 7:32 PM
Random progress shots:

Streamline (looks like the news reports of the building collapse were wrong, LOL).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/sl.jpg

Juhl
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/juhl.jpg

Turnberry
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/tb.jpg

Lady Luck Renovation (actually, this is a no-progress shot).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/ll.jpg

What's going on with the old Post Office building downtown? Is Christo in town?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/po-1.jpg

Encore
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Encore/e.jpg

Cosmo & CityCenterl. You can see that some of the Cosmo steel is already half the height of the Jockey Club.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Cosmopolitan/cos1-1.jpg

Palazzo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Palazzo/p3-2.jpg

Fido
May 6, 2007, 7:53 PM
Amazing shots! Thanks!

heyyoucharlie
May 6, 2007, 11:36 PM
QUOTE: Origional post - mdiederi
What's going on with the old Post Office building downtown? Is Christo in town?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/po-1.jpg


... :jester: I like how the tarp was cut for the palm trees!!! It looks odd... tarped building with trees???

mdiederi..... :tup: Great shots!!! Looks like all those people who were talking about Cosmo troubles were WRONG... it's good to see the steel going up.

DMaldon762
May 7, 2007, 2:10 AM
Great pictures. Thank you.

NYC2ATX
May 7, 2007, 3:59 AM
This will be my you-know-you-don't-live-in-Vegas-when... comment.

There's an old post office building downtown? Where is it? What does it look like when not entarped?

mdiederi
May 7, 2007, 5:46 AM
It looks like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/po.jpg

It's across from the Lady Luck on Stewart Street next to City Hall.

kenratboy
May 7, 2007, 5:55 AM
The Palazzo is looking MASSIVE!

Lots of action everywhere.

heyyoucharlie
May 7, 2007, 6:38 AM
Now that I think about it... are they covering the PostOffice to protect it from a downtown demolition, (maybe the Lady Luck) across the street??? :shrug:

mdiederi
May 7, 2007, 3:37 PM
!!BOMB EXPLOSION AT LUXOR!!

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6478863

1 Dead in Luxor Parking Structure Explosion

May 7, 2007 07:33 AM

There was a deadly explosion early this morning on the top level of the parking structure located at the Luxor Hotel. The victim of the bombing was an employee of the Luxor. Another person was injured.

The explosion happened around 4 a.m. Reports were that the device was inside a backpack, which was either on the vehicle or adjacent to it.

The area is completely sealed off. Metro is on the scene. ATF agents have arrived on the scene. There are also two bomb-sniffing dogs inspecting every vehicle.

Luxor Drive is shut down both directions between Mandalay Bay and Reno.

mdiederi
May 7, 2007, 3:44 PM
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/13268708/detail.html
Metro police said they were treating the incident as a homicide with an unusual method. They said that there was no threat to customers at the Luxor, and that the victim was the intended target.

reggiesquared
May 7, 2007, 5:22 PM
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philip
May 7, 2007, 11:45 PM
That's the nicest looking post office I have ever seen!

LMich
May 8, 2007, 4:59 AM
You haven't seen many, I take it? ;)

But, yes, that is a great-looking post office; probably Vegas' nicest and most prominent historic structure, and one of the few.

NYC2ATX
May 8, 2007, 1:44 PM
You haven't seen many, I take it? ;)

But, yes, that is a great-looking post office; probably Vegas' nicest and most prominent historic structure, and one of the few.

one of the few is right, I may not be from Vegas, but this is probably the only older building I've heard of there that looks like it was built before the strip came out in the '50s.

On that note, it is a very nice building. :D

mdiederi
May 8, 2007, 2:41 PM
There have been a few proposals to turn it into a museum of one kind or another, such as an art museum or a sports museum, but now the mayor wants to turn it into a mob museum, of all things.

LMich
May 8, 2007, 10:45 PM
We all know why Oscar wants to turn it into a mob museum, don't we? :) Seriously, Vegas has one of the most interesting mayors in the country. Love him or hate him, Oscar loves Vegas to death, and it shows in his often over-zealous support of many controversial things. lol

ScottG
May 9, 2007, 1:18 AM
soa couple days ago, someone jumped off the stratosphere (obviously suicide)

but you wont see it on the headlines.

it took cnn almost the entire day to broadcast the bombing.

negativity out of vegas is hard to advertise. the hotels have a big say in what gets out into the media. they dont want the properties to seem unfit.

designer3d712
May 9, 2007, 1:59 PM
soa couple days ago, someone jumped off the stratosphere (obviously suicide)

but you wont see it on the headlines.

Most news sources will not cover suicides.

Silas
May 9, 2007, 4:53 PM
Yeah why should some poor slob's suicide be on the news? Oh yeah, I forgot. CNN has now made this type of entertainment/death/murder/tragedy news a staple. It is very pathetic that the billionaire(s) such as Turner, and hypocrites as Fonda now maximize their $$ by showing personal tragedies on a daily basis. Also sad that this is what the public wants from their news shows.

Sorry for that OT rant. I love the Vegas photos! The more the merrier.

beets281
May 9, 2007, 5:58 PM
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1218/img4280biv3.jpg
Back of Allure

BrianFey
May 9, 2007, 6:23 PM
Here are some pics I took yesterday in LV. They are mostly of Encore and Palazzo.

http://www.dangie.com/fey/veg0507/

Enjoy.

ScottG
May 9, 2007, 6:59 PM
am i only one who likes the back of allure more than the front?

Fido
May 9, 2007, 10:26 PM
Yeah, the back is as good as the front.:)

GeorgeLV
May 10, 2007, 12:58 AM
Yeah, the back is as good as the front.:)

Not quite. It loses some style points for going with an attached parking garage rather than an underground garage.

philip
May 10, 2007, 1:15 AM
Taken from MGM Mirage's May 9 UBS presentation slides:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Architecture/MGMoverview20070509.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Architecture/MGMoverviewdetail20070509.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Architecture/CircusCircus.jpg

LMich
May 10, 2007, 1:29 AM
Yeah why should some poor slob's suicide be on the news? Oh yeah, I forgot. CNN has now made this type of entertainment/death/murder/tragedy news a staple. It is very pathetic that the billionaire(s) such as Turner, and hypocrites as Fonda now maximize their $$ by showing personal tragedies on a daily basis. Also sad that this is what the public wants from their news shows.

Sorry for that OT rant. I love the Vegas photos! The more the merrier.

Dud, get off the constant liberal bashing. You can't be serious, anyway, since Fox is known for their blatantly sensationalist 'journalism' more than any of the rest. They are all guilty, so get off your liberal-basing bent.

Silas
May 10, 2007, 2:23 PM
Dud -

It was not a political comment. It was a comment on the media. I did not mean to disparage your enjoyment of viewing personal tragedies such as suicide leaps.

mdiederi
May 10, 2007, 3:50 PM
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Architecture/CircusCircus.jpg

I didn't realize those land deals were going to close that fast, they must be paying cash. Maybe we'll see construction sooner than later if they have some anxious partners wanting to get in on the action.

justdefended
May 10, 2007, 5:54 PM
Hey philip, do you have the link to the full MGM presentation?

Complex01
May 10, 2007, 6:48 PM
Here are some pics I took yesterday in LV. They are mostly of Encore and Palazzo.

http://www.dangie.com/fey/veg0507/

Enjoy.

Those are some nice pics. Looking good...

philip
May 10, 2007, 8:06 PM
Hey philip, do you have the link to the full MGM presentation?
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=101502&p=irol-presentations

justdefended
May 10, 2007, 10:42 PM
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=101502&p=irol-presentations

Thanks, appreciate it.

CHAPINM1
May 10, 2007, 10:51 PM
Is Fountainebleau undergoing 24 hour a day construction?

BruceH
May 11, 2007, 4:27 AM
Is Fountainebleau undergoing 24 hour a day construction? No, starts at 5am (wakes me up) and ends about 3pm. Mon-Sat and sometimes Sunday. Making huge progress on the foundation. Will provide a progress photo soon.

TheOldMan
May 11, 2007, 4:31 AM
i am assuming Fountainbleu's actual design is still unknown to everyone? a rendering or two would be nice. i wonder why none have been released

gmcclenon
May 11, 2007, 8:21 PM
Maybe the Riv is serious this time. They actually hired some bankers (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070511/riviera_holdings_alternatives.html?.v=1).
They might even actually consider this bid:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070511/riviera_holdings_acquisition.html?.v=1

beets281
May 11, 2007, 8:32 PM
I sure hope so. I am ready for the tidal wave of new projects that the north end of the strip will embrace. It is only a matter of time before the strip and downtown will dance.

beets281
May 11, 2007, 9:41 PM
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3506/aladdinbhu9.jpg
Incase you forgot.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8049/aladdinfsv0.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2138/boardwalkhos5.jpg
Anyone miss this guy?
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7351/dsc00942mg6.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9119/jockeyclubcfm3.jpg
Pretty soon this building wont even be visible.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9378/majesticsr1.jpg
What a joke.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8708/plazzo2yk9.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5645/plazzohu2.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8020/skybx0.jpg
The start of what is currently my favorite building.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4215/stardustrx7.jpg
I awarded this second place behind the Belliago's for best water fountain on the strip. Boyd should of kept this baby for its new plans.

Superfish
May 11, 2007, 10:21 PM
Planet Hollywood is putting up a tall hotel sign. I wonder what it will look like. Probably will have a giant LED screen like all the others? But PH's frontage already is covered with LED screens.

Big Sands
May 11, 2007, 11:38 PM
Deposits have been returned. Oh well.

NYC2ATX
May 12, 2007, 4:41 AM
Deposits have been returned. Oh well.

Awwww fuck, that really sucks, like really.
But honestly, I think it would be so much better, if W built a slender, sexy tower Downtown. just my opinion.
W needs to be in Las Vegas eventually though, its about the trendiest hotel out there, Vegas deserves only the most in vogue.

beets, when you said old, you weren't kidding! HA don't you just love how two-year-old pics (just a guess on time, correct me if I'm wrong) seem so dated in Las Vegas? pictures from 2005 (again, guess) in any other city would seem perfectly recent. :rolleyes:

justdefended
May 12, 2007, 5:30 AM
Deposits have been returned. Oh well.

That's a shame. The project looked like it would be one of the few that would make it in the biz. I think the nail hit the coffin when CityCenter came along and advertised units as low as $500,000. Compared to W's $650K and lack of capital I'm sure a lot of on the fence investors jumped ship to MGM.