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mdiederi
Jul 19, 2007, 4:06 AM
Beats281, I think it might be this one:
http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0194237.htm
It will be a non-gaming hotel with two twin towers 250 feet high and a total of 595 rooms. I don't know the name of the hotel. I parked near there last week when I was shooting that side of the Font and they had a bunch of heavy equipment, looked like they were drilling caissons.

Vegas Grows Up
Jul 19, 2007, 6:06 AM
I actually do not but I bet Jaz does!

Silas
Jul 19, 2007, 2:21 PM
According to Globe Street:

http://www.globest.com/news/951_951/lasvegas/162374-1.html

mdiederi
Jul 19, 2007, 3:24 PM
Beats281, I think it might be this one:
http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0194237.htm
It will be a non-gaming hotel with two twin towers 250 feet high and a total of 595 rooms. I don't know the name of the hotel. I parked near there last week when I was shooting that side of the Font and they had a bunch of heavy equipment, looked like they were drilling caissons.
Investigating a little further, yes, that's two lots owned by WMB X LLC of Merrillville IN. Same company on the agenda sheet.
http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/assrrealprop/pclDetail.aspx?hdnParcel=16209703008&hdnInstance=pcl7
http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/assrrealprop/pclDetail.aspx?hdnParcel=16209703002&hdnInstance=pcl7

For the two lots they paid $19,250,000 for 1.69 acres in 2005, which comes to a value of $11,390,532 per acre.

I actually do not but I bet Jaz does!
On his maps he shows the Riviera owning all the land along Paradise Road at the corner of Riviera Boulevard, but actually they only own the drive way and the part holding the marquee. The corner lot is owned by a company called Big Daddy & Co. LLC, who bought that half-acre for only $1,472,000 in 2005. A real steal!
http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/assrrealprop/pclDetail.aspx?hdnParcel=16209703017&hdnInstance=pcl7

lfc4life
Jul 19, 2007, 4:21 PM
There was a large group of Turnberry Place residents there complaining about the new height of the podium and they even hired a lawyer to represent them.

Turnberry Place actually has residents!!! :stunned: All the times I go by there the 4 towers seems to be empty, no lights, movement etc.

According to Globe Street:

http://www.globest.com/news/951_951/lasvegas/162374-1.html

Just after looking at that land on google maps and it seems perfect for MGM, seeing as they own the plot next door. However the far end of that piece up for sale sits only a few yards from the McCarran runway which surely means the price will go nowhere near the $33 million an acre the Frontier land went for.

beets281
Jul 19, 2007, 4:33 PM
good stuff guys, thanks for all the info.:tup:

heyyoucharlie
Jul 19, 2007, 8:31 PM
REI and the city have agreed to build a 9.5 billion dollar, 22,000 seat arena, with casinos/hotels/condos project... the first phase (the arena) could open as soon as 2011.

LVRJ story - http://www.lvrj.com/news/8592662.html

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u270/heyyoucharlie/1952897.jpg

good news for Vegas sports fans, REI will meet with the NBA on Friday!!!

heyyoucharlie
Jul 19, 2007, 8:45 PM
dude, this is the SkyscraperPage not the Low-Rise Cookie Cutter Development Page...

DUDE... Just thought some people out there would like to know that the Las Vegas Metro area is much more then 20 miles of Strip and Downtown. Plus (DUDE, :haha: ) yes, this may be a cookie cutter development, but so was Green Valley (in Henderson) Summerlin (in Vegas) Aliante (in N las Vegas)... What sets Coyote Springs apart, is that this is the birth of a whole new city. How many "cities" have you been around to see built from the ground up? I found it very interesting... and thought some people around here would too.

Have a nice day!:tup:

jazfingr
Jul 19, 2007, 9:34 PM
Ok peeps, good things come to those who wait. Below is the official rendering of Fontainebleau. :D Looking closer at the tower, we can see the balconies of the (most likely) residential section.

As for the Riviera land on THE Map (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/condomap.htm), that was an oversite on my part. I have updated THE Map showing the actual Riviera property. :cool:


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1294/853676291_c7fd281ef5_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1289/854599636_910adda8e1_o.jpg

Red UM Rebel
Jul 19, 2007, 9:37 PM
:previous: That is beautiful. Thanks so much Jaz


edit: at 735', it will be the tallest building Nevada right? :)

beets281
Jul 19, 2007, 10:22 PM
That REI Project looks awesome, but one question where the hell is the parking for the arena?

Silas
Jul 19, 2007, 10:40 PM
Why does the word 'Fugly' come to mind when I see that F-blue rendering?

heyyoucharlie
Jul 20, 2007, 12:39 AM
That REI Project looks awesome, but one question where the hell is the parking for the arena?

Thas is exactly what i was thinking... maybe the will continue the trend and have underground parking???

Jaz - Fountainebleau renders look great!!! When the building starts rising I think we will really see how massive 700+ ft will be!!!:banana: :pepper: :awesome: :cucumber: :dancing:

Patrick
Jul 20, 2007, 2:59 AM
I cant belive they made us wait that long to see those boring renders. What a bland tower!

Why would you have a reflection of the Turnberry Place Towers if its behind the building :shrug:

Vegas Grows Up
Jul 20, 2007, 3:00 AM
I think Fontainebleau looks awesome. Its very refreshing to see something like this going in on the Strip.

I took a new video of it last week from the top floor of Sky. The video starts at Echelon, then shows all of Fontainebleau site, then the staging area and Turnberry Towers.

See it at my Las Vegas Videos (http://www.youtube.com/vegascondoscene) YouTube Page (main video at top)

philip
Jul 20, 2007, 3:21 AM
The design is nothing creative. The only thing NEW and Refreshing is that the new rendering has higher resolution.

If something like this was built in NYC or Dubai, no one will even pay any attention, it's just not very special --design wise. An angular building with balconies and a ho-hum shopping mall at the base. That's all what it is.

Vegas Grows Up
Jul 20, 2007, 7:44 AM
The trendy boutique out of New York's Soho is headed to the Cosmopolitan.

http://www.dnrnews.com/site/article.php?id=358

lfc4life
Jul 20, 2007, 12:08 PM
Seeing as the old Thunderbird site has lay basically empty since 1992 i think the Fontainebleau is great.

What would you guys rather?? Maybe they should bring back the old abandoned pink El Rancho tower?? Now THAT tower was fugly :P

Everyone should stop kidding themselves, nobody REALLY wanted to build (or had the money to build) on this site or the Wet and Wild site either (Crown), then when somebody puts in solid proposals all people can say is they are ugly or bland or out of place :(

Red UM Rebel
Jul 20, 2007, 1:06 PM
Ok, according to Wikipedia, the Wynn is the tallest building in Las Vegas 614'. I know the Encore is supposed to be the new tallest at 650ish'. If this really goes up to the reported 700+' it will be the tallest in Nevada, unless or until the Crown is built (mattering if you an optimist or pessimist). New question. Who exactly is the owner of the Fountainebleu? Is a group of investors/LLC group or does it have something to do with the Fountainebleu that I stayed in in Florida?

lfc4life
Jul 20, 2007, 1:58 PM
Ok, according to Wikipedia, the Wynn is the tallest building in Las Vegas 614'. I know the Encore is supposed to be the new tallest at 650ish'. If this really goes up to the reported 700+' it will be the tallest in Nevada, unless or until the Crown is built (mattering if you an optimist or pessimist). New question. Who exactly is the owner of the Fountainebleu? Is a group of investors/LLC group or does it have something to do with the Fountainebleu that I stayed in in Florida?

Turnberry have a major say in the building of Fontainebleau and also in the florida resort (of the same name) i believe.

If you don't count the 1149ft Stratosphere tower as a real building (i do count it as a real building btw), then the current tallest building in Nevada would be the Palazzo at 643ft (its topped out), next up would be the Trump at 623ft and then Wynn at 614ft. Personally I can see Fountainebleau going higher than 735ft; 800ft would be great imo.

mdiederi
Jul 20, 2007, 3:00 PM
That REI Project looks awesome, but one question where the hell is the parking for the arena?
This shows the various levels of parking around the arena, two levels below grade.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/pulse/PulseKarp.jpg

This shows parking around the rest of the development. Mostly looks like buildings on top of parking garages.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/pulse/Pulse-Parking.jpg

mdiederi
Jul 20, 2007, 3:11 PM
Who exactly is the owner of the Fountainebleu? Is a group of investors/LLC group or does it have something to do with the Fountainebleu that I stayed in in Florida?
Fontainebleau Resorts LLC

President and CEO: Glenn Schaeffer

partnership between (majority owner) Florida-based condominium developer Turnberry Associates (majority owner, Jeffrey Soffer is CEO); former Mandalay Resort Group executive Glenn Schaeffer; and (with 19.6% ownership) James Packer's Publishing & Broadcasting Limited (PBL), one of Australia's largest gaming and entertainment corporations

They also own the Fontainebleau in Florida

beets281
Jul 20, 2007, 4:07 PM
Underground parking for an arena is kinda of nightmare. It make since to maximize land devlopement though.

Red UM Rebel
Jul 20, 2007, 4:13 PM
Thanks for the info guys! The Fountainebleu in Florida is amazing.

bluejudad
Jul 20, 2007, 4:39 PM
Below is a link to article posted on Drudge about condo glut in Florida. I believe Las Vegas moved at just the right pace and dilligence to avoid and learn from Florida's mistakes. The Las Vegas Highrise market is well positioned for the future.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=a4qa.rYTWyYA

gmcclenon
Jul 20, 2007, 5:43 PM
The design is nothing creative. The only thing NEW and Refreshing is that the new rendering has higher resolution.

If something like this was built in NYC or Dubai, no one will even pay any attention, it's just not very special --design wise. An angular building with balconies and a ho-hum shopping mall at the base. That's all what it is.

This "new" rendering shows nothing additional. On purpose. Just enough to keep us all talking. What this rendering is not showing is the unique experience and perspective from the street, both walking up and driving up.

The massive cantilevered building out on the street with all the water will be dramatic. The 15 swimming pools up on the podium deck 100 feet over the strip will be nuts. The center 1 acre pool (pond/lake?) on that same level will look spectacular from the rooms above.

No, this massive tower will shock people with it's beauty and originality. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

mdiederi
Jul 20, 2007, 6:05 PM
Underground parking for an arena is kinda of nightmare.
Imagine all the exhaust fumes in there with thousands of cars leaving at the same time after an event. :slob:

ScottG
Jul 23, 2007, 3:17 PM
something unexpected:

those 'holes' in the panorama towers are lit with purple and blue lights at night

mdiederi
Jul 23, 2007, 8:11 PM
Story about Fontainebleau and Turnberry Place nimbys.
http://lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2007/jul/23/566673361.html

Silas
Jul 23, 2007, 10:34 PM
Actually those would be NimFys.

laguna
Jul 23, 2007, 10:51 PM
After watching the hearing for the Turnberry and Fountainbleau over the parking and convention center that will block views, I thought about the future rerun as the owners of Sky cry to the commission when MGM builds some mamouth resort outside their decks.

lfc4life
Jul 23, 2007, 11:48 PM
Story about Fontainebleau and Turnberry Place nimbys.
http://lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2007/jul/23/566673361.html

The residents of Turnberry are complaining about losing the views they had of used condoms, porn flyers, broken bottles and other assorted trash which filled that Fountainebleau lot from 2003 until now; interesting :rolleyes:

Silas
Jul 24, 2007, 2:27 AM
Maybe if someone put shoe prints on the FountainBlue parking garage that would make Turnberry Place residents happy.

gmcclenon
Jul 24, 2007, 2:49 PM
After watching the hearing for the Turnberry and Fountainbleau over the parking and convention center that will block views, I thought about the future rerun as the owners of Sky cry to the commission when MGM builds some mamouth resort outside their decks.

Hey. I resemble that remark. We already did that. I thought we invented whining about our blocked views back when Maxim put out those renderings of the chrome and red set of towers next to us. When we complained to the commissioners - they just smiled and patted us on the heads and said, "There, there now. Run along and play."

Views are not protected. There is legal precedence on this. This is why they have you sign a mountain of disclaimers when you buy a condo.

MrVegas
Jul 24, 2007, 4:55 PM
A real estate company with licensing rights to the estate of Elvis Presley is planning on building an Elvis-themed casino on the site of the Harley-Davidson Cafe.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/8677342.html

MrVegas
Jul 24, 2007, 8:49 PM
Trump Tower now has its first letter installed.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7274/trump072407en8.jpg

PuyoPiyo
Jul 24, 2007, 10:33 PM
^^^I still can see "R", "U", "M", "P" dots after the "T".

lfc4life
Jul 24, 2007, 11:11 PM
Trump is very impressive; ok so its basically little more than a 630ft gold brick, but its still impressive nonetheless.

Coupled with the fact that TRUMP will be the first word nearly everyone will see on their way into vegas from LA i think ole Donald did his homework on this one.

mttbox
Jul 24, 2007, 11:28 PM
some how the trump tower does not look as "shine" as it should look, maybe because of the weather?

northbay
Jul 25, 2007, 1:03 AM
^^^I still can see "R", "U", "M", "P" dots after the "T".

^thats funny, i never noticed "rump" in his name!?! how appropriate!!

laguna
Jul 25, 2007, 3:47 AM
Trump is very impressive; ok so its basically little more than a 630ft gold brick, but its still impressive nonetheless.

Coupled with the fact that TRUMP will be the first word nearly everyone will see on their way into vegas from LA i think ole Donald did his homework on this one.

Trump Tower is about as uninspiring as the Donald. The design is rather old-school, no balconies, 8ft. ceiling, small size rooms. And to build it on a platform of parking garage is really just a cost saving method.

The Trump name is far from the first thing one will see coming from the south. It is nearer to Sahara Ave. which is officially the north end of the strip.

The Donald is a cariacature and will never be on the A list of Vegas like Kerkorian, Wynn, Addelson and the like. The name to watch as an up and comer is Bruce Eichner.

jazfingr
Jul 25, 2007, 6:49 AM
Too bad they didn't start from right to left.....oh well, It's fun to pretend :haha:


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/893134688_43cd5212df_o.jpg

Red UM Rebel
Jul 25, 2007, 1:37 PM
:previous:

I am not a fan of the Trump tower. I think there was already too much gold along the strip, and I am still shocked that Trump was able to sell his condos when they only have 8' ceilings. I know they are going to build another one, but I just wish they weren't.

Complex01
Jul 25, 2007, 2:07 PM
Too bad they didn't start from right to left.....oh well, It's fun to pretend :haha:


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/893134688_43cd5212df_o.jpg



That is to funny. I love it...

:haha:

RazzMan
Jul 25, 2007, 3:45 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE SO NEGATIVE ON TRUMP ON THIS SITE?
It's a good product and actually getting built. he has alot more credibility them most projects ont he strip that flashed alot of brochures and built nothing. Atleast he is committed to making his project successful. I sense many just don't like him so you hate the building. - Get used to it, it's not going anywhere!

laguna
Jul 25, 2007, 11:01 PM
You are correct when you claim that I dont like trump. I have never liked a self-promoter, wind bag, publicity hound, Sorry! I prefer a person who gives an occasional interview, says what he has to say, then does what he has to do. No bravado, it is childish and you wonder why some cant include trump in the same context as serious people. Read the names on my previous post, they are serious people, like them or dislike them, but they are no trumps.

As to the trump tower, it has been discussed ad naseum why some of us dont like his project. If it were a great project, I would say so, even though I dont like him. I like some of Mussolini's buildings in Rome, just not the guy, see the difference?

Which building on the strip were alot of hot-air? All I see on the strip is cranes building billions of dollars in projects, more than anyone would have ever dreamed of. Which projectsare you claiming were proposed for the strip and cancelled?

CHAPINM1
Jul 25, 2007, 11:44 PM
:previous:

I am not a fan of the Trump tower. I think there was already too much gold along the strip, and I am still shocked that Trump was able to sell his condos when they only have 8' ceilings. I know they are going to build another one, but I just wish they weren't.

I'm with you there, and to think they call it luxury... 9' ceilings are the minimum expected today, especially in a luxury condo...

mttbox
Jul 25, 2007, 11:52 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE SO NEGATIVE ON TRUMP ON THIS SITE? hey razz, how you doing! For me, as long as people want to stay at trump and it gets good rental revenue, it is a good project or investment, and I think people will want to stay at Trump because it is Trump. Trump got his own stander in luxury, more in a arrogant way, some people don't like it but TRUST ME lots of people LOVE IT, over all I think the project will be very success and the new Plaza will also help this project big time!

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 12:11 AM
I do not know the full story behind this building, but I would suspect like the other twenty Trump projects across america that a group of investors came to him and offered him a share of the profit if he would put his name on the project. He "offered" to build a casino in Biloxi, then Gulfport, then Diamondhead. Him "offering" meant that there were sites about to be developed, and he would put his name on it for a whopping 15% gross. No one took him up on that "great" offer to say the least.

RazzMan
Jul 26, 2007, 1:58 AM
You are correct when you claim that I dont like trump. I have never liked a self-promoter, wind bag, publicity hound, Sorry! I prefer a person who gives an occasional interview, says what he has to say, then does what he has to do. No bravado, it is childish and you wonder why some cant include trump in the same context as serious people. Read the names on my previous post, they are serious people, like them or dislike them, but they are no trumps.

As to the trump tower, it has been discussed ad naseum why some of us dont like his project. If it were a great project, I would say so, even though I dont like him. I like some of Mussolini's buildings in Rome, just not the guy, see the difference?

Which building on the strip were alot of hot-air? All I see on the strip is cranes building billions of dollars in projects, more than anyone would have ever dreamed of. Which projectsare you claiming were proposed for the strip and cancelled?

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If you have to ask which projects have been cancelled you should not even post on this forum. You obviously don't understand the value of marketing/branding and how Real Estate really works! As for Trump, he will come out on top again......

RazzMan
Jul 26, 2007, 2:00 AM
hey razz, how you doing! For me, as long as people want to stay at trump and it gets good rental revenue, it is a good project or investment, and I think people will want to stay at Trump because it is Trump. Trump got his own stander in luxury, more in a arrogant way, some people don't like it but TRUST ME lots of people LOVE IT, over all I think the project will be very success and the new Plaza will also help this project big time!


I agree with you mtt.......GO Trump.....the people who do not like Trump just don't get it.....The rich get richer...

laguna
Jul 26, 2007, 2:18 AM
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If you have to ask which projects have been cancelled you should not even post on this forum. You obviously don't understand the value of marketing/branding and how Real Estate really works! As for Trump, he will come out on top again......

And the strip projects that were cancelled in droves were.....?

And what else did you learn at your attendance at the local trump real estate seminar? You do a good imitation of trump and his bluster. Very cute.

lfc4life
Jul 26, 2007, 2:48 AM
I'm with you there, and to think they call it luxury... 9' ceilings are the minimum expected today, especially in a luxury condo...

Are you 100% sure that Trump will only have 8 foot ceilings or are you guys assuming based on the height of the building divided by number of floors??

Whats wrong with 8foot ceilings anyway?? Even the likes of Shaq and Paul Wight would have a full foot to work with :haha: Are all the really rich people buying into this condo market craze as tall as Robert Wadlow or something?

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 2:55 AM
And the strip projects that were cancelled in droves were.....?

Laguna, If you would take the time to read the first page of this thread, the cancelled projects are listed (complete with photos). Many people jump to the last page and start posting, asking questions that can be easily answered by reading the thread. :D just saying

northbay
Jul 26, 2007, 3:19 AM
^ many projects have indeed been canceled - but just because trump got his off the ground doesnt make him a great - or even a good - guy, just one with good business sense.

a side note: imo, hes only good at business cuz he takes advantage and uses people. as for the tower, its aight - but i agree with laguna that one is enough.

laguna
Jul 26, 2007, 4:30 AM
'projects on the strip' is what prompted my question. Not all over town, but actually strip property, not like trump tower, which is not on the strip. I went to vt&t and found alot of projects that received some amount of promotion but I did not count any significant number that were proposed 'for the strip' and then cancelled. I guess you could use Ivana's Trump tower of a joke to make your point.

Like I said there has not been a significant amount of cancellation of 'strip' properties. If I am wrong I will stand corrected by all you xperts. Otherwise dont bloviate.

mdiederi
Jul 26, 2007, 6:36 AM
The street address (http://maps.google.com/maps?as_q=trump+las+vegas&hl=en&newwindow=1&num=100&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off&um=1&q=trump&near=Las+Vegas,+NV&fb=1&cid=0,0,7632730550733074333&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image) for 'rump is 3128 Las Vegas Boulevard South.

'rump does not have 64 floors, it's actually only 57 floors (http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0212199.htm). They number the floors from the top down.

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 10:58 AM
The street address (http://maps.google.com/maps?as_q=trump+las+vegas&hl=en&newwindow=1&num=100&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off&um=1&q=trump&near=Las+Vegas,+NV&fb=1&cid=0,0,7632730550733074333&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image) for 'rump is 3128 Las Vegas Boulevard South.

'rump does not have 64 floors, it's actually only 57 floors (http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0212199.htm). They number the floors from the top down.


That's right, 'rump (love the new name) is connected to the Frontier land and is as close to the strip as many other strip towers (i.e. Caesar's "Palace Tower" and THEHotel) The address is for the sales office (which is on the strip). The Towers will have a Fashion Show Lane address. It will ultimately be connected to The Plaza, so, for all intent and purpose, it is a strip project.

Laguna's right though, about strip developments. The only cancellations are Ivana, Montreux and Maxim. One could count Icon too, as it was only 400' from the strip. And all of them, save Icon, are better off dead - IMHO.

As long as I'm posting, I'll throw in my two cents about the 'rump Tower(s)

-Boring design
-Ugly (tacky) color
-Low ceilings
-small uninteresting units
-No balconies
-Adult bookstores and sex shops as neighbors
-Lovely parking garage curb appeal

I don't care who built it, it's just not a good project. mttbox is right, people will love it 'cause it has the 'rump name on it. The same folks that think Starbucks (over-roasted) coffee is actually good and Prada shoes are worth $1,000. :koko:

Patrick
Jul 26, 2007, 11:13 AM
I think Trump LV is, OK. I like the design of the Tower, but the TRUMP or in this case 'rump logo ruins it. Imagine when the 2nd tower is done. YUCK.

Its kool how it centers looking down at The Strip, but come one, can you can a bigger Ego? First thing you'll notice going down the strip is TRUMP.

Hmm 57 Floors, what a lie, 64 floors yeah right. Its not as bad as THEhotel's top floor, that magically goes from floor 42 to 64. :haha

lfc4life
Jul 26, 2007, 1:16 PM
The street address (http://maps.google.com/maps?as_q=trump+las+vegas&hl=en&newwindow=1&num=100&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off&um=1&q=trump&near=Las+Vegas,+NV&fb=1&cid=0,0,7632730550733074333&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image) for 'rump is 3128 Las Vegas Boulevard South.

'rump does not have 64 floors, it's actually only 57 floors (http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0212199.htm). They number the floors from the top down.


So mdiederi if Trump has only 57 floors that means ceiling height should be 10.9 feet or thereabouts??

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 1:26 PM
People, the reason I posted "The truth about 'rump" was so everyone would stop giving credit to or bashing Donald. I am sure he just put his name and had five seconds to approve the design. 'rump has no business in any casino town because look how he ran his Atlantic City casinos into the ground. The reason they are getting away with the crappy design is that they feel that 'rumps's name has value, but with nicer condos for close to the same price at CityCenter, Cosmo, etc, I believe he has yet again put too much stock in his own name. I believe this project will not be nearly as successful as first planned and I feel sorry for LV that it is stuck with such a tacky building.

Silas
Jul 26, 2007, 1:39 PM
I like the way the Trump building looks. An acceptable alternative name is T-Rump, as in T-Rex.

I don't particularly like or dislike Trump. I do think it is dumb to 'love' Trump just because he charges more, just like the same group likes Prada or whatever. But the building looks good to me and I actually think it does add something to the strip.

The problem I have is not with the initial look. It is of the practical experience once it opens. Once Plaza opens, then Trump *may* be a decent set-up if the towers are connected properly. Until then though (four years or so), it is going to blow. Not only is it disconnected from anything, which means a cab ride to anywhere - but it will be like staying at the back of CityCenter construction zone. Can you imagine?

Also, parking lot feature is far from luxury. Another item, given the disappearing views everywhere in Las Vegas -- Trump is not immune to this. There is land at Mirage, near TI that is underutilized and during the next round of building, this could be a prime target for MGM builders - and that would shut down Trumps views -- and also views of T-Rump itself.

So, ironically, I think the best thing about TRump is the look. After Plaza is done, it may have location going for it to some extent.

VegasTAT seems to know something 'off the record' about Plaza that he is itching to tell.

mdiederi
Jul 26, 2007, 2:58 PM
Another item, given the disappearing views everywhere in Las Vegas -- Trump is not immune to this. There is land at Mirage, near TI that is underutilized and during the next round of building, this could be a prime target for MGM builders - and that would shut down Trumps views -- and also views of T-Rump itself.
Yeah, that's right. As it is, the upper half of the south side of 'rump will have the single best condo views looking over the top of TI and straight down the middle of the entire length of the southern half of the Strip. But that could change because MGM has mentioned putting a tower where that smaller garage is by the goofy Sigfried and Roy shrine, in between TI and Mirage, just north of the volcano.

A balcony would be nice to have in a condo residence, but 'rump will be run as a hotel and rent a lot of the rooms out. Probably won't be the primary residence for most of the tenants. It's already successful because I heard that it's sold out. Also, as far as we've seen from the renderings of CityCenter, none of those condo towers will have balconies either.

The address is for the sales office (which is on the strip). The Towers will have a Fashion Show Lane address.
Ah, I was wondering about that, couldn't tell if that address was for the tower or not, but it was the only address I could find, probably because the tower isn't finished yet.

The only cancellations are Ivana, Montreux and Maxim. One could count Icon too, as it was only 400' from the strip.
And...
London (on the Frontier site)
San Francisco (on the Frontier site)
London (on the Fontainebleau site)
Palace of the Sea/Voyager (on the Crown site)
Planet Hollywood (on the Wynn site)
Asia (on the Palazzo site)
Playboy Hotel (on the Cosmopolitan site)
James Bond (on the CityCenter site)
Titanic (southwest corner of Sahara)
Cascada (southwest corner of Sahara)
Xanadu (before Excalibur)
Addams Family (where the heck was this going to be?)

That's all I can come up with and some of these are pretty old and most of these weren't canceled because of a bad market, they were just bad ideas to start with, or someone with more money and a better concept grabbed the site out from under them. Strip real estate is a completely different market than the rest of the valley.

ScottG
Jul 26, 2007, 3:19 PM
there is a difference between concept and cancelled projects^^^^^^^^

RazzMan
Jul 26, 2007, 5:41 PM
People, the reason I posted "The truth about 'rump" was so everyone would stop giving credit to or bashing Donald. I am sure he just put his name and had five seconds to approve the design. 'rump has no business in any casino town because look how he ran his Atlantic City casinos into the ground. The reason they are getting away with the crappy design is that they feel that 'rumps's name has value, but with nicer condos for close to the same price at CityCenter, Cosmo, etc, I believe he has yet again put too much stock in his own name. I believe this project will not be nearly as successful as first planned and I feel sorry for LV that it is stuck with such a tacky building.


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First of all, "YOU just don't get it". Trump LV is owned by the Trump Corporation. It's not one of his buildings where someone bought the use of the name. Those do exist, but not this Tower. Trump and his family have been actively involved in just about every major decision fo this property. My last word is, if you can't afford to buy one of his properties or any other highrise on the strip...please don't comment or mock what we don't undersatnd!

MrVegas
Jul 26, 2007, 6:16 PM
The only cancellations are Ivana, Montreux and Maxim. One could count Icon too


Also Krystal Sands.

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 6:21 PM
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First of all, "YOU just don't get it". Trump LV is owned by the Trump Corporation. It's not one of his buildings where someone bought the use of the name. Those do exist, but not this Tower. Trump and his family have been actively involved in just about every major decision fo this property. My last word is, if you can't afford to buy one of his properties or any other highrise on the strip...please don't comment or mock what we don't undersatnd!

Dude, where did that come from. I have found that it is run by a Trump Corporation that is separate from other Trump locations. He is one of many partners though which include Phil Rufin and Brett J. Plant If he has been involved in every decision, it once again shows what bad decisions that he makes. Also, your last word is lunacy. I do not know if you one of the said investors, but how could you even know if I own half the strip. Stop acting like this tacky tower is your child. Others on this site and I feel that this tower is a untasteful design, poor location for views, and will become an eyesore before it is every heralded as one of Las Vegas's top properties. If you cannot handle that opinion sorry, but do not waste our time with childish, foolish comments.

RazzMan
Jul 26, 2007, 6:38 PM
Dude, where did that come from. I have found that it is run by a Trump Corporation that is separate from other Trump locations. He is one of many partners though which include Phil Rufin and Brett J. Plant If he has been involved in every decision, it once again shows what bad decisions that he makes. Also, your last word is lunacy. I do not know if you one of the said investors, but how could you even know if I own half the strip. Stop acting like this tacky tower is your child. Others on this site and I feel that this tower is a untasteful design, poor location for views, and will become an eyesore before it is every heralded as one of Las Vegas's top properties. If you cannot handle that opinion sorry, but do not waste our time with childish, foolish comments.
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Thanks for answering my question, I no longer need your comments.
It's pretty easy for me to make assumptions about you at this point as you summed it up for me. You obviously dont own any RE on the strip.Bye

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 7:13 PM
OK, Here's the poop on floors and ceiling heights at 'rump:

According to the folks at 'rump. The building is 640' tall so they thought 64 was a good number for the top floor. :koko: When you count down to the lowest occupiable floor, you're at floor 16. That's right guys, the first floor is the 16th. :haha: (this is the first floor on top of the roughly 130' parking garage)

Ceiling heights for floors:
16-59 are 9'
60-62 are 10'
63 is 11'
64 is 12'

Well, that's finally settled :D

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 7:18 PM
News flash

Long time strip real estate deal maker David Atwell, President of Resort Properties of America, who's handled strip properties for such famous clientele as, Caesars Palace, Steve Wynn & Hilton Nevada sued Elad Properties of NY for a record fee. Atwell's company Resort Properties of America, 30 year Las Vegas Broker, claims the initiation of the $1.2 Billion record breaking strip deal. Elad owns NY Plaza Hotel and is controlled by Y. Tshuva, Israel Billionaire.

I doubt this will affect the Plaza as ELAD has DEEEEEEP pockets.

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 7:22 PM
*thanks for the height on the rooms, still hate it but at least it makes sense.



Yea, ELAD has ridiculously deep pockets. Do we know what the record fee is?

mttbox
Jul 26, 2007, 7:36 PM
Dude, where did that come from. I have found that it is run by a Trump Corporation that is separate from other Trump l... People who can afford 700K+ for a vacation home are not stupid, they know what they are getting into, the name "Trump" does mean something, If you been to NY city before than you should know that all of the owner of trump propriety are all very wealthy and every body knows that it is top of line product , Trump spend almost all his life to manage his brand so he does not put his name on a building unless it meets his high-end standard,
as far as Trump tower in Vegas, the first tower had the record in sales, there is a reason to that, it is a world class building if you put it in anywhere in the world, I know its a big gold tower and I can’t think of any better place in the world to put a big gold tower than LAS VEGAS! as I said before, some people don’t like it but a lot of people would love the Trump bling-bling style.

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 7:49 PM
People who can afford 700K+ for a vacation home are not stupid, they know what they are getting into, the name "Trump" does mean something, If you been to NY city before than you should know that all of the owner of trump propriety are all very wealthy and every body knows that it is top of line product , Trump spend almost all his life to manage his brand so he does not put his name on a building unless it meets his high-end standard,
as far as Trump tower in Vegas, the first tower had the record in sales, there is a reason to that, it is a world class building if you put it in anywhere in the world, I know its a big gold tower and I can’t think of any better place in the world to put a big gold tower than LAS VEGAS! as I said before, some people don’t like it but a lot of people would love the Trump bling-bling style.


I promise you the vast majority of the investors were not people looking for a vacation home, but limited liability corporations looking to turn a profit and use it for real estate speculation to over-inflate the value of their companies or foreign interests. I know that Trump name means something, but as I said, I am not sure if the condos are not up to standard with those at CityCenter, Cosmo, etc. (I am not saying they won't be, i did u IF), it will turn the expected profit. The reason i was shocked by razzman's response is because he believes that the only way you have a right to comment on this property is if you own property on the strip. That is asinine at best. I have no doubt that if Trump buildings were a bad investment then they would not be being built around the world. I am simply contending that not only is it not the best investment, but I do not find the property as "neat" or "classy" as several others being built in LV. MY comments originally were to simply say that they could have done better, that is all.

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 7:59 PM
DUDES !! CHILL !! GEEEEZE !!


OK, I have another comment on the 'rump Towers. I have been to the sales office, I have seen the models and, frankly, I was unimpressed. They were quite ordinary looking. Certainly not world class (they are quite similar to MGM Signature). CityCenter is a world class project and the units there are amazing.

I have another beef with this project. There will be two identical buildings, and both will have the 'rump logo on top. There towers are close together, so it will read TRUMP TRUMP (way too much Ego IMHO)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1012/907302927_c929ef1f69_o.jpg

It would be better if they put the word TOWERS on the second building

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1181/907302893_827abebe9e_o.jpg

Or nothing at all (that would be my choice)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1352/907302881_2d664a3679_o.jpg

Of course, If The Donald could really have it his way, we would probably see this.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/907302905_d3f7ad1de7_o.jpg

jazfingr
Jul 26, 2007, 8:15 PM
I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?

Red UM Rebel
Jul 26, 2007, 8:20 PM
A good few pictures of Frontier, could be the last time anyone gets them...

bluejudad
Jul 26, 2007, 8:48 PM
I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?

Downtown

mttbox
Jul 26, 2007, 9:30 PM
Rump! lol

CHAPINM1
Jul 26, 2007, 9:42 PM
I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?

Fountainebleau ;)

mdiederi
Jul 26, 2007, 9:49 PM
Here's an article about 'rump's involvement in the project.
http://www.inbusinesslasvegas.com/2007/06/29/realestate.html

If anyone had any doubts about Donald Trump being a hands-on guy when it comes to any of his projects, talk with Richard Rizzo.

The vice chairman of Perini Building Co., which is building the Trump International Tower & Hotel in Las Vegas, said he was surprised at Trump's request to participate in the process when Perini seeks bids from its subcontractors.

Normally, a developer relies on Perini to solicit bids and get the lowest prices possible for its building projects and make recommendations.

In an unusual request, Trump wanted to review every bid that went out and have the ability to contact the subcontractor and negotiate an even better price. Rizzo said he felt a little uncomfortable about the request since that's his company's job, but he ultimately agreed to it as long as any contact was kept professional.

Trump went through every bid package and contacted every subcontractor on the job.

"He picks up the phone and calls the lower bidder and says, 'This is Donald Trump. Can you do better? I am about to award you this contract, but I am not sure you have given me your best shot here.' Son-of-a-gun, if he doesn't get another 1, 2, 3 or 4 percent out of it,' " Rizzo said.

Rizzo said he apologized to Trump, saying he felt embarrassed that Trump was able to do that and his firm wasn't.

"He said, 'Don't be embarrassed at all. It's just my name,' " Rizzo said. "He said, 'My name will carry the day, and I want to use it to my advantage.' I would have never believed that you could pick up the phone and call somebody and ask them to cut your price by whatever and get them to do it after they had already been beaten over the head a few times by us."

Rizzo said some subcontractors said no to Trump's request. Someone cut their price as much as 5 percent, he said. Trump's phone calls cut about 2.5 percent off the price, he said. That's worth nearly $9 million on $350 million in bids to subcontractors, Rizzo said.

"It was certainly worth his effort. I guess if you got a call from Donald Trump out-of-the-blue (it would have the same effect). Egos are big in this business. There are a lot of Type A people and they love to be the biggest and the best. They can tell people they talked with Donald Trump. I guess they are willing to pay the price for that, I guess," Rizzo said laughing. "I would have never believed it that he could do it, but there are a lot of people enamored with who he is and the image he has created for himself."

Rizzo also pointed out how Trump picked out the marble and certain finishes for his project.

"He gets involved in a lot of details I would have never thought he would have," Rizzo said. "It is his name he puts on it. It is his trademark, and he wants to make sure there is a level of quality that reflects the level of his name."

Trump hasn't announced any other projects in Las Vegas beyond his second tower, but Rizzo said he wouldn't be surprised if Trump remains active in the market.

"He has been so successful," Rizzo said. "His name is one that attracts investors."

I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?
We obviously need more pictures of 'rump. :D

No really, haven't seen anything from Planet Hollywood Towers in a while, how's that one progressing?

Artie Lange
Jul 26, 2007, 9:52 PM
Fountainebleau ;)

Is Fountainebleau the only strip condo-hotel that has broken ground but not yet available for sale?

lfc4life
Jul 26, 2007, 10:13 PM
I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?

Fountainebleau, echelon and planet hollywood towers please :tup:

lukemason
Jul 26, 2007, 10:21 PM
I'm doing a photo tour this weekend. Does anyone have any specific requests?

Palazzo Please and thank you :)

RazzMan
Jul 26, 2007, 11:03 PM
Here's an article about 'rump's involvement in the project.
http://www.inbusinesslasvegas.com/2007/06/29/realestate.html




We obviously need more pictures of 'rump. :D

No really, haven't seen anything from Planet Hollywood Towers in a while, how's that one progressing?
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Thanks for pointing out Trumps involvement.......................PLEASE put Red Rebel to bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

laguna
Jul 26, 2007, 11:32 PM
As I value your opinion and enjoy your site, you mentioned that you liked Citycenter and thought it was world-class, what is you opinion of Cosmo?

thank you

Patrick
Jul 27, 2007, 12:41 AM
Of course, If The Donald could really have it his way, we would probably see this.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/907302905_d3f7ad1de7_o.jpg

OMFG, Jazfingr you never fail to entertain.

Do you have a higher resolution of the rendering with both towers?

jazfingr
Jul 27, 2007, 1:13 AM
Ask and you shall receive. Those photo requests will be honored, look for them on Tuesday.

I think the Cosmo is a very nice project. They're squeezing a lot into a small space, but doing it intelligently. I do feel sorry for the Jockey Club folks that had south views.

I do not have a higher res image of the twin 'rump Towers

Vegas Grows Up
Jul 27, 2007, 1:48 AM
There are no balconies at CityCenter. Remember this is a "Green" project going after LEED certification.

Kirre
Jul 27, 2007, 2:16 AM
They are not the best resolution, but a new picture of the towers are posted every hour.

http://westgateresorts.com/flex2/webcam_external/?defaultCamera=aladdin-cam1

jazfingr
Jul 27, 2007, 8:03 AM
Right, Aaron, LEED certified "green" buildings can not have balconies. Balconies would allow non-caring guests to crank up their air conditioners while leaving their balcony doors open.

I love balconies. Having an outdoor area in a guest room or condo makes it much less claustrophobic and the views are much bigger. I miss the small tower at the Stardust - the balconies kept me coming back.

The downside of balconies is trying to prevent guests and residents from hanging wet towels and trunks over the railing - giving the building a ghetto look. I'll be curious to see if this happens at Sky and Allure. (hey Bruce, are those your shorts up there).

This is probably one of the reasons 'rump doesn't have balconies (besides the suicide jumpers)

lukemason
Jul 27, 2007, 10:13 AM
Ask and you shall receive. Those photo requests will be honored, look for them on Tuesday.

I think the Cosmo is a very nice project. They're squeezing a lot into a small space, but doing it intelligently. I do feel sorry for the Jockey Club folks that had south views.

I do not have a higher res image of the twin 'rump Towers



thank you man :)

Red UM Rebel
Jul 27, 2007, 1:50 PM
Here's an article about 'rump's involvement in the project.


SO it is obvious that Trump has bad taste, a shame. I guess I appreciate that he never built a golden monstrosity on the coast then; I was excited at first when he looked at the area too. I guess it is just comes down to a matter of taste. Anywhoo.....



I was going through the VegasTodayandTomorrow site, and I read about the Harrah's empire right there at Bally’s and Paris. Does anyone care to speculate what they would attempt to build on a footprint that large? I assume there will probably be no announced plans for a while, and it seems that the Flamingo with the coming addition probably won't go anywhere. There would probably be no announced plans until Apollo takes full control either. Also, when is the Encore going to be realistically done? Could you take some pictures of that too, jaz?

gmcclenon
Jul 27, 2007, 3:09 PM
Right, Aaron, LEED certified "green" buildings can not have balconies. Balconies would allow non-caring guests to crank up their air conditioners while leaving their balcony doors open.

I love balconies. Having an outdoor area in a guest room or condo makes it much less claustrophobic and the views are much bigger. I miss the small tower at the Stardust - the balconies kept me coming back.

The downside of balconies is trying to prevent guests and residents from hanging wet towels and trunks over the railing - giving the building a ghetto look. I'll be curious to see if this happens at Sky and Allure. (hey Bruce, are those your shorts up there).

This is probably one of the reasons 'rump doesn't have balconies (besides the suicide jumpers)

No, Sky has strict CC&Rs on what we can have out on the balconies and windows, right down to size and color. Thank God. I read an interview somewhere on why Trump (and others) do not like balconies: Looks. Buildings look much more expensive and elegant without them. Not that I would ever consider owning a Vegas condo without the ability to experience sitting out on the deck with a martini in one hand and a hot blond in the other, warm breeze blowing through my hair.... Oh wait, that's a romance novel my wife was reading. Seriously though, standing outside with the larger view does not compare to standing inside sealed glass, staring out. Then again, Fontainebleau seems to have found a way to include balconies and still look slick.

DMaldon762
Jul 27, 2007, 8:52 PM
Jazfngr, you should watch out before you take those City Center pictures. VegasRex got shook down by Monte Carlo security.

http://www.vegasrex.com/2007/07/27/vegasrex-an-evildoer/

peltecs
Jul 27, 2007, 10:00 PM
:previous: Gawd! Ridiculous! Jazfingr...bring along a laptop with an internet connection and, should you get shook down...goto www.citycenter.com and show these morons the LIVE CONSTRUCTION CAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! apparently on Monte Carlo property!!!!!!! :whip: :koko: Bye!

Wait! A security guard who speaks for the entire MGM Mirage corporation might steal it from you!!! Nevermind! :D

(Donald's face on the second tower...hahaha that's funny Jazfingr!)

nsxdrift_89
Jul 28, 2007, 6:21 PM
That camera hasn't been updated for months.

BrianFey
Jul 28, 2007, 7:06 PM
Due to my location, I am unable to contribute much to this board. I am regret that. I was in LV this week, and took many pictures of most of the high profile projects. I had an excellent room at Wynn, and was able to get some fantastic shots of Encore, and Echelon, though there is little going on there at this point. I did see countless truckloads of dirt being moved out of the site, which is evident in some of the pics that you will see.

Enjoy, and I wish I could post on a more regular basis.

Notice the large structure on the South side of the Encore site. This can only be one of two things. Either its a new large Ballroom, or, its Wynn's new mysterious and rumored 3rd theater. ???

http://dangie.com/fey/vegas0707/

cosmo2k8
Jul 28, 2007, 9:27 PM
Thank you for sharing these images of your recent trip!

:cheers:

WonderlandPark
Jul 28, 2007, 9:38 PM
Do the property lines of the casinos extend over the sidewalk?


Love VegasRex's quick wise-ass responses!

mdiederi
Jul 28, 2007, 9:48 PM
:previous: some do, some don't.

In other news:

http://lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2007/07/28/news/iq_15681659.txt
Story in the LV business Press about Majestic/Conrad/Waldorf-Astoria condo-hotel on the Strip being officially on hold ... like as if it wasn't already. :haha: