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Red UM Rebel
Aug 16, 2007, 12:44 AM
I put up a page on the Marquis. This may be a very cool hotel. :D

I just stayed in the one in Atlanta, and it was very cool. It looks very different now then the one on your site though jaz, they are in the process of redoing the entire thing.

Ho-Dog
Aug 16, 2007, 7:42 PM
That Marquis concept sounds great, a few more options for accomidation near the convention center is a must. its a no brainer if you ask me.

ScottG
Aug 16, 2007, 8:10 PM
so the resident evil posters (one on each wing) of planet hollywood actually reads on top, WORLD PREMEIRE AT PH

mdiederi
Aug 17, 2007, 4:41 AM
Cosmo, Vdara, CC & Pano
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/cc1-sm.jpg

ScottG
Aug 17, 2007, 2:55 PM
great shot- love the sky

BrianFey
Aug 17, 2007, 3:48 PM
Laguna - The room at Wynn was $104 a night, on a casino rate basically. You ask how I liked the hotel, well. I've stayed in most of the upper end Vegas hotels, including, Mirage, TI, Venetian, MC, Bellagio, MGM, etc. and I won't stay any where else but Wynn, until Encore opens. As an overall package, its the best Vegas has to offer IMO. The only downfall with Wynn is the location, and in 4 years, it will go from one of the worst locations in town, to one of the best. I will be the only hotel in town almost completely surrounded by all brand new hotels, Echelon, Plaza, Encore, and Palazzo, then FB, just a few blocks up past that. Once again, Wynn could not have possibly picked a better location, for any amount of money. And being sandwished between 3 of the biggest convention centers in town, he'll be able to keep his weekday rates at top dollar also. The amazing part to me, is Wynn is already doing more business than any place in town, except Bellagio. And this is with almost NO walk in traffic. I mean Wynn feels dead, compared to Bellagio, which is a mad house. I can only imagine how much business Wynn will be doing in 4 years. I'd say he'll be running the top hotel in town, in both profits and revenues.

bluejudad
Aug 17, 2007, 6:46 PM
Laguna - The room at Wynn was $104 a night, on a casino rate basically. You ask how I liked the hotel, well. I've stayed in most of the upper end Vegas hotels, including, Mirage, TI, Venetian, MC, Bellagio, MGM, etc. and I won't stay any where else but Wynn, until Encore opens. As an overall package, its the best Vegas has to offer IMO. The only downfall with Wynn is the location, and in 4 years, it will go from one of the worst locations in town, to one of the best. I will be the only hotel in town almost completely surrounded by all brand new hotels, Echelon, Plaza, Encore, and Palazzo, then FB, just a few blocks up past that. Once again, Wynn could not have possibly picked a better location, for any amount of money. And being sandwished between 3 of the biggest convention centers in town, he'll be able to keep his weekday rates at top dollar also. The amazing part to me, is Wynn is already doing more business than any place in town, except Bellagio. And this is with almost NO walk in traffic. I mean Wynn feels dead, compared to Bellagio, which is a mad house. I can only imagine how much business Wynn will be doing in 4 years. I'd say he'll be running the top hotel in town, in both profits and revenues.

I admit bias. However, TripAdvisor would back my claim. For the last several months the Signature MGM has been rated the #1 place to stay in Las Vegas. If you stay there, I think you will find the service, caliber of people (both employees and guests), quality of suites and amenities to be second to none. Although, it is a different experience than staying at a "regular hotel". By that, I mean no gaming and smoking. In our recent home owners association meeting, it was revealed to us that the Signature is persuing a 5 star rating. Only, one small part of the Wynn has that.

mdiederi
Aug 17, 2007, 9:05 PM
Construction accident at the Palms.
http://klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6947283

lukemason
Aug 17, 2007, 10:05 PM
any new plazzo Pics the outside must be close to dun now :)

jazfingr
Aug 18, 2007, 9:30 PM
any new plazzo Pics the outside must be close to dun now :)

This one is from 8/16/07 :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1375/1163784354_dda176f87d_o.jpg

lukemason
Aug 18, 2007, 11:23 PM
thank you man :)

looks nice in the dark even more so when it's lit up soon :)

mdiederi
Aug 19, 2007, 3:33 AM
I added a couple more shots to the Palazzo thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=3018130#post3018130).

Superfish
Aug 19, 2007, 4:31 AM
thank you man :)

looks nice in the dark even more so when it's lit up soon :)

We could test the lights now just for the hell of it :)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3719/lightscameraactionsf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I know there are lighting arrays on that ledge a third of the way up. Assuming there are some at the bottom on the podium as well. There will probably also have some kind of light on the roof to light up the crown with the name on it.

spoonman
Aug 19, 2007, 10:19 AM
Sorry, this is off topic, but does anyone know the fate of Battista's Hole in the Wall. Harrah's aquired the property a while back and I don't believe they've announced any plans for the property as of late.

DMaldon762
Aug 19, 2007, 12:31 PM
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6947283

5 deaths alone this month. This is a disturbing trend and it must stop.

Superfish
Aug 19, 2007, 7:02 PM
Palms Place, looks topped
http://i9.tinypic.com/4ujp6dg.jpg

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 20, 2007, 8:26 AM
I have uploaded a brand new page loaded with new videos and photos of Cosmo, CityCenter and Planet Hollywood. I was able to get pictures of the middle monorail station by Veer with monorail columns inside and an angled roof. I was also able to get shots and video of the Jockey Club pool now completly covered by a net!

You can view the videos and pictures at my

August 2007 Las Vegas Strip Photo (http://www.squidoo.com/lasvegasstripcondophoto/) Update


Here is a couple teaser shots

MGM MIRAGE CityCenter Power Plant
http://item.slide.com/r/1/8/i/EoJlyJUU6z-rzQgzwMvp648vga_0EUPz/

Jockey Club Pool Under Net
http://item.slide.com/r/1/38/i/0LYgcuNRvD9HnXEMvbKMNWcxv_SVkEMD/

Vdara with monorail columns heading into retail station behind Veer
http://item.slide.com/r/1/9/i/Uxt9gw_L5T9XDH7J400vCeveiCX8Rszk/



Go see the videos and photos at my

August 2007 Las Vegas Strip Photo (http://www.squidoo.com/lasvegasstripcondophoto/) Update

lukemason
Aug 20, 2007, 9:13 AM
I added a couple more shots to the Palazzo thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=3018130#post3018130).

thanks man looking good :)

lukemason
Aug 20, 2007, 9:15 AM
We could test the lights now just for the hell of it :)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3719/lightscameraactionsf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I know there are lighting arrays on that ledge a third of the way up. Assuming there are some at the bottom on the podium as well. There will probably also have some kind of light on the roof to light up the crown with the name on it.

that is wicked kewl man :)

mdiederi
Aug 21, 2007, 4:04 AM
The latest rumor is that the New Frontier hotel will be imploded on November 13, at least two months ahead of schedule.

ScottG
Aug 21, 2007, 5:29 AM
VTAT has a new shot of planet hollywood showing the near complete facade (dont know if i like it) BUT i noticed in the first shot that you can see a horizontal blue stripe stil remaining along the pool level, weird? you can see that resident evil sign i mentioned a while back too.

heyyoucharlie
Aug 21, 2007, 6:41 AM
:previous: LOL... the PH facade pictures look like bubble wrap or the back side of a cheese grater...

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 21, 2007, 4:12 PM
Cosmo, Vdara, CC & Pano
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/cc1-sm.jpg

Mark, you're the only person I know who can make old shopping centers, Arrowhead Trucks and apartment buildings look beautiful in a photo LOL! Wonderful work here.

Silas
Aug 21, 2007, 6:16 PM
Early Congratulatiosn to Planet Hollywood. Looking Great so far!

The true test will be the final appearance and feel. But who would have thought it would look this good?

It seems clear that if CKX does anything substantial with the Harley Davidson area, then Harmon/Strip will truly be the new CityCenter of the strip. Harrah's has dropped the ball and so Flamingo Road/Strip will be playing second fiddle to Harmon. North Strip is a number of years off and somewhat spread out.

I look forward to checking out the PH experience when it's done.

Silas
Aug 21, 2007, 6:21 PM
p.s.

Photos look great as always. Very great photos and much appreciated.

ScottG
Aug 21, 2007, 10:33 PM
according to the skyscrapcity las vegas forum, crown las vegas is going before the county.....tomorrow!

Empire Builder
Aug 22, 2007, 12:24 AM
Tomorrow will be (hopefully) be a good day for the Vegas forumers - Crown LV is up for review and (according to vegastodayandtomorrow.com) Harrah's will be making an announcement about the next step in their master plan. I'm interested to see if the design plans for Crown LV are changed at all. Is there a link to view a live feed of the meeting?

Superfish
Aug 22, 2007, 12:39 AM
Tomorrow will be (hopefully) be a good day for the Vegas forumers - Crown LV is up for review and (according to vegastodayandtomorrow.com) Harrah's will be making an announcement about the next step in their master plan. I'm interested to see if the design plans for Crown LV are changed at all. Is there a link to view a live feed of the meeting?

Yes there is, you can watch using the link on this page:
http://www.co.clark.nv.us/Public_communications/videostream.htm

Item is no. 52. So watch and listen to see what items are being heard, they may unfortunately have a tendency to skip some items and move some items to be heard separately first before others, especially important ones like Crown Las Vegas! So it doesn't always follow in sequential order.

Agenda Sheet>
http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/082207bccweb.htm

I will not be able to watch this, so other will have to do so, if you have the time try taking screenshots as they will more than likely show renders of whatever is to be approved.



>>>Real Player (yeah I hate this thing too but the county uses it so not much choice)
To take a screenshot from Real Player you must open the 'tools' dropdown box and select 'preferences'. In the new window select 'hardware' from the category list on the left. Then under the 'video card compatibility' section slide the slider all the way to the left so it says 'disable optimized video and overlays'. Now you should be able to take screen shots from Real Player. You can change it back afterwards if you want.

When the image you want is shown, just press the print scr key on your keyboard, then open up a graphics editor such as mspaint (all windows OS should have it) and go to edit>paste. The image will appear and you can then save it.

Superfish
Aug 22, 2007, 12:41 AM
Panorama III.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5522/ptdsci0204sh1.jpg

apljac21
Aug 22, 2007, 1:03 AM
Great pictures, thanks for sharing. Does anyone know if there are plans to expand the monorail to provide access to the new construction areas? Or if the monorail already covers these new construction areas?

future29
Aug 22, 2007, 2:49 AM
Great pictures, thanks for sharing. Does anyone know if there are plans to expand the monorail to provide access to the new construction areas? Or if the monorail already covers these new construction areas?

plans were approved to extend the monorail to the airport. however i dont know the timetable for this, my guess is 2010 at the earliest. i dont think any monorail expansion on the west side of the strip will ever happen. but that doesnt really matter because MGM is doing thier own (an most likely free) monorail which can hopefully get incorporated into the exisiting one to mandalay bay.

Topped Off
Aug 22, 2007, 4:12 AM
Was in Vegas last week and took in Love at the Mirage....great great show. However, exploring the soon to be converted Desert Passage shopping center at Plant Hollywood is a disaster in the making. They are covering up everything to do with the old facades and starlit ceiling and turning it into the most incredibly blah blah blah plain ugly center that could be in any boring town in America. There will be absolutetly no reason for anyone to visit....it's the same old same old. Very bad decision. If I had a shop there, I'd be looking to relocate.

hotdog
Aug 22, 2007, 1:59 PM
With Dubai buying a part of MGM Mirage, this might bring more life into skyscraper construction.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a4d8PL3FEKRA&refer=home

mdiederi
Aug 22, 2007, 3:06 PM
:previous: Wow!

In other news, Hilton is officially pulling it's Conrad and Waldorf Astoria brands out of the Majestic project.
http://www.globest.com/news/976_976/lasvegas/163389-1.html

Superfish
Aug 22, 2007, 6:40 PM
Arena Announcement!!

Harrah's Entertainment and AEG Agree to Develop World Class Sports & Entertainment Arena on the Las Vegas Strip

New Privately-Financed Indoor Venue Will Be
Largest Sports and Entertainment Arena in Las Vegas

LAS VEGAS, Aug. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Harrah's Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: HET) and AEG today unveiled plans for of an approximately 20,000-seat, privately financed, state-of-the-art arena. This arena is envisioned to be Las Vegas' new home for the most popular and important sports and entertainment events. The site of the venue will be one block east of the world famous Las Vegas Strip on approximately 10 acres of land that is part of the current Harrah's land holdings.

To view the Multimedia News Release, go to:
http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/harrahs/29458/

(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20070718/HARRAHSLOGO)

As managing partner, AEG will be responsible for developing, operating and programming a full range of live sports and entertainment events including concerts, boxing matches, special events and awards presentations, as well as sporting events, tournaments and exhibitions. The arena will be constructed and configured in a manner that will make it capable of housing an NBA or NHL franchise.

"AEG and Harrah's Entertainment have put together a compelling, privately funded arena plan that will be a fantastic new attraction for Las Vegas Valley visitors and serve as a much needed sports and entertainment venue for Clark County," said Rory Reid, Clark County commission chairman. "With such exemplary reputations in delivering wonderful guest experiences, AEG and Harrah's are well-suited to bring the largest arena to the region. I'm looking forward to working closely with both organizations in bringing this arena to fruition for the entire region to enjoy."

Projected to open in 2010, the venue will also feature private "hospitality centers," luxury suites, club seats and an array of amenities, gourmet food offerings and entertainment options to make every guest's experience memorable and world-class.

"This arena is part of our on-going growth strategy and very much a part of our master plan for Las Vegas," said Gary Loveman, chairman, CEO and president of Harrah's Entertainment, Inc. "We are committed to offering a variety of entertainment options to our customers, and this arena will allow us to bring to Las Vegas high-quality sporting events along with top-name entertainment that our partners, AEG, have an unparalleled track record of delivering."

The proposed arena location, directly behind the Bally's and Paris resorts, will provide visitors convenient access between the arena and all the world-renowned amenities the Strip offers, including thousands of hotel rooms, monorail service, restaurants and nightclubs. "This site, behind our Bally's and Paris resorts, is an ideal location for this arena as it is within walking distance of the Strip and conveniently located for the nearly 40 million visitors to Las Vegas each year," said Mr. Loveman.

"There has never been a better time to create a world-class arena for Las Vegas," said Timothy J. Leiweke, president and CEO, AEG. "A city known for showcasing the most important and popular artists, events and extravaganzas needs a state-of-the-art arena to ensure that every important touring act considers Las Vegas a 'must-play' city while solidifying the city's reputation globally."

"This arena is being developed with the capability of hosting an NHL or NBA franchise from day one," continued Leiweke. "We continue to have productive conversations with potential owners and are optimistic that either basketball or hockey, or both, will be played in Las Vegas when the venue opens."

"We would not be here today without the tremendous cooperation and vision of Commissioner Reid and the members of the Clark County Board of Commissioners. This privately-funded project will pay enormous dividends to the entire region," Leiweke added. "We also would like to extend our thanks to Mayor Goodman for his interest and devotion to realize the need to have an arena in the Las Vegas community. To our friends, our partners and the citizens of Clark County, we are dedicated to creating an arena Las Vegas can be proud of ... I pledge today, we won't let you down."

Pursuant to a signed letter of intent between the two organizations, and subject to the completion of definitive documents, the project calls for construction to commence in summer 2008.

AEG is a leading developer and operator of venues such as STAPLES Center, The Home Depot Center, Target Center, London's O2 Arena and NOKIA Theatre Times Square and has a significant presence in Las Vegas through its live entertainment subsidiary AEG LIVE, which oversees programming for the Colosseum at Caesars Palace. AEG LIVE recently entered into and agreement to operate and program new 4,000 and 1,500-seat indoor venues now under construction on the Las Vegas Strip.


http://investor.harrahs.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=84772&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1042872&highlight=

Marvel 33
Aug 22, 2007, 8:13 PM
Here's the link to the article and the images: http://www.newcityskyline.com/CaesarsPalaceExpansion.html


Caesars Palace expands its domain in Sin City

Wednesday, August 22, 2007
By Kelly Matlock

Las Vegas, NV, US (NCS) - You might think Harrah’s Entertainment Inc. is bluffing when you hear about their expansion plans for Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. But remember, they’re experts in gambling.

Having just celebrated 41 years, Caesars Palace is one of the oldest casinos on the strip. Cabana motel owner Jay Sarno came up with the idea to build the hotel in 1962, and he used a $10 million loan to make his vision a reality.

Sarno ended up designing the 14-story, 680-room hotel, which began construction in 1962 and was inaugurated in 1966. Sarno had trouble coming up with a name for his hotel but he decided on Caesars Palace because he wanted the guests to feel like royalty, like the Roman general Julius Caesar.

The 85-acre Caesars Palace currently has 3,348 rooms, features one of the most extravagant casinos anywhere in the world and regularly attracts clubbers and night owls across the nation for its internationally known Pure Nightclub and now Pussycat Dolls Nightclub and Lounge. High-end shopping available here is not seen anywhere else in Vegas. It has also been a boxing and wrestling mecca off and on since the 1980s.

Shows at Caesars Palace have spotlighted past entertainers including Celine Dion, Elton John, Jerry Seinfeld and Ronnie Vannucci, now with the Las Vegas-based band The Killers, who was the youngest performer to sing in a band at age six in a lounge at Caesars Palace. Bette Midler will have a permanent performance there beginning early 2008.

After all of its current offerings, it sounds like wishful thinking to expect Caesars Palace to offer a new hotel tower, new pool villa suites, three new swimming pools, new landscaping, a new ballroom and meeting facility, a major refurbishment of an existing tower, new casino interiors, and a remodel of the front entrance. But that’s exactly what Harrah’s is promising Caesars guests within the next few years.

While there have been a number of renovations and expansions over the years, none have been quite as monumental as the $1 billion expansion and renovation in the works right now.

“This billion dollar investment in our flagship property, Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, is an important part of our comprehensive global growth strategy,” said Gary Loveman, chairman, chief executive officer and president of Harrah's Entertainment, Inc. “From the United Kingdom to Las Vegas and beyond, we will continue to enhance our network of branded properties to deliver unforgettable guest experiences and provide good jobs for our nearly 100,000 team members around the world.”

Although several different firms prepared various interiors for the expansion, Marnell Architecture is the executive architect of the entire expansion and Bergman Walls is the architect of record.

Central to the expansion, the new 350-foot hotel tower will be called the Octavius Tower after Julius Caesar’s great nephew who later changed his name to Augustus, and will adjoin and resemble the Augustus Tower which opened in 2005.

The $375 million tower will be located on Flamingo Road on the southeast corner of the Caesars property.

“Our guests have been thrilled with the Augustus Tower and its associated upscale services and amenities,” said Gary Selesner, president of Caesars Palace. “This new expansion opens an exciting new chapter in the renaissance that began with opening of The Colosseum, and continues with the February 2008 debut of Bette Midler's all-new production, which will be presented a minimum of two years. With a spectacular new show, new guest rooms, suites and more, Caesars Palace will be well positioned to continue to welcome the world's most discriminating clientele.”

Rising 23 stories, the Octavius Tower will comprise 665 rooms. Three new pool villa suites will be built along the second floor of the tower and will overlook three new swimming pools that will rim an expanded outdoor whirlpool spa retreat, a poolside café, and nearby garden wedding venue.

Internationally acclaimed designer Wilson & Associates will create Octavius Tower interiors. Following the resort’s Greco-Roman heritage, guest room entry doors will be customized with Greek key patterns, where electronic doorbells and electronic “Do not Disturb” features will ensure guest privacy. Spacious guest rooms will also feature flat-panel televisions and bedside clock radios with iPod docking stations. Beds will feature fashion-forward matlasses, replacing traditional duvets. Marble bathrooms will feature dual-head showers and whirlpool tubs with televisions above double vanities.

The tower is slated for completion in early 2009 and will increase the Caesars Palace total room/suite offering to 4,013.

The three new pools, scheduled for completion in the second quarter of 2009, will replace the resort’s Apollo pool and outdoor spas. They will be elevated to set them apart from the Temple, Venus, and Neptune pools. One 1,600-square-foot pool will be available only to invited guests and will offer premium amenities and services. Two 1,900-square-foot pools will adjoin the new meeting and convention addition, and will be offered to hotel guests as well as for private pool parties and catered functions. New landscaping with the resort’s signature fountains and statuary will surround the pools.

In addition to the new Octavius Tower and pools, the resort’s existing 512-room Forum Tower will receive an overhaul. A regal new front entrance and expanded valet parking will open to expansive new casino interior décor, inviting guests to a remodeled buffet restaurant, redesigned Cypress Street Marketplace casual restaurant and enlarged Race & Sports Book.

The complete remodel of the Forum Tower will include 452 guest rooms, 10 two-story suites, which became widely known after the release of the movie “Rain Main,” 60 two-bay suites, and 18 executive suites and penthouses at 9,500 and 12,500 square feet.

The refurbishment of the tower is scheduled for completion in January 2008 at a cost of $83 million. The tower’s two penthouses will be remodeled by the first quarter of 2008.

Also included in the expansion is a new 263,000-square-foot ballroom and meeting facility constructed on two levels and connected to the resort’s Palace Tower meeting and convention center.

The building will feature 110,000 square feet of flexible meeting, ballroom, and exhibit space with additional breakout areas, grand promenades, banquet kitchens, and support facilities. Included will be two executive boardrooms, and two regal ballrooms will be expandable to 52,000 square feet. The upper tier will offer a large terrace overlooking two new swimming pools.

Interiors of the convention center will be designed by Marnell Interiors, a division of Marnell Corrao Associates of Las Vegas, and will complement the Palace Tower meeting center design.

Last but not least, the existing Caesars Palace front entrance will be expanded in breadth and height, opening to palatial new casino interiors, created by globally renowned design firm Allard & Conversano. The central ellipse will remain, highlighted by new decor and flanked by grand ceiling heights, raised to 20 feet.

New interiors will extend to the Casino Cashier and Cleopatra's Barge corridors, inviting guests to explore new dining, entertainment, and gaming offerings. During the transformation of the central front entry, Caesars guests will enter and exit through resort entrances a few steps on either side of the central doors.

When all is said and done, Caesars Palace will have an even stronger reputation as a premier resort and casino in Las Vegas. Caesars will truly be an escape, where guests are treated like royalty, and where people are given a place to relax, have fun, or to play out their fantasies of becoming rich and famous.

Empire Builder
Aug 22, 2007, 8:22 PM
How will the new Harrah's arena affect the Pulse project?

Empire Builder
Aug 22, 2007, 9:12 PM
Forumers on SSC are reporting that the county pushed back its discussion on Crown Las Vegas to mid-september

heyyoucharlie
Aug 22, 2007, 10:44 PM
How will the new Harrah's arena affect the Pulse project?

the more I read about Pulse I don't think it will happen... I mean 9.5 or 10.5 (or whatever) billion is a lot of money for that project. I give the Harrah's Arena at least a 2:1 advantage over Pulse in terms of getting built. Pulse just sounds like a land filp deal waiting to happen...

cosmo2k8
Aug 23, 2007, 12:36 AM
Hi folks,

Did some research on previous arenas built and operated by AEG (Anschutz Entertainment Group) and their most famous venue has got to be the Staples Center here in Downtown Los Angeles, CA which has a maximum capacity of 20,000 seats. It cost $375 million to build back in 1999 so I'm going to take an educated guess that this one will cost at least $790 million to construct (based on inflation of raw materials and construction labor costs).

Great news all around today with MGM and Harrah's but I must ask "Hey Crown Las Vegas! Where are you?!"

Cheers everyone!
:tup:

Biff
Aug 23, 2007, 2:24 PM
I thought i just heard that it was to be in the $500 million dollar range. Either way, good news for the strip.

lfc4life
Aug 23, 2007, 6:36 PM
does LV really need another arena?? They already have the Thomas and Mack (capacity 19,522), MGM Grand Garden (capacity 17,157) and Mandalay Bay Events Center (capacity 13,000).

I know LV desperately wants to bring a major sports franchise to town, even going as far as proposing to bring in an MLS franchise at one point :yuck:

jazfingr
Aug 23, 2007, 11:43 PM
does LV really need another arena?? They already have the Thomas and Mack (capacity 19,522), MGM Grand Garden (capacity 17,157) and Mandalay Bay Events Center (capacity 13,000).

I know LV desperately wants to bring a major sports franchise to town, even going as far as proposing to bring in an MLS franchise at one point :yuck:

Thomas & Mack, MGM Garden and Mandalay are not up to NBA and NHL standards. This will be a very high-end, NBA/NHL certified arena with luxury suites etc.

My only issue with this plan is traffic. It's center strip - when a major event is over, the traffic will be at a stand-still. On the other hand, many visitors attending the will not drive there, they will simply walk or take the monorail. Maybe this will work after all.

heyyoucharlie
Aug 24, 2007, 12:52 AM
:previous: thats all well and good "if" the monorail is still running in 2010... I heard a rumor on the radio that there are plans to close it down in the next year or two... no $$$ left and their bond rating is junk.

Vtown420
Aug 24, 2007, 1:58 AM
How does the monorail help Las Vegans? This is a terrible location for a sports arena. Traffic is already a nightmare, and locals will avoid it like the plague. Sure it would be great for tourists, but a sports arena should be built for the citizens of Las Vegas. Build the arena downtown for the people of Las Vegas. It would have easy freeway access and breathe life back into downtown. Do we really need another arena for tourists? I don’t want to sit in traffic for an hour and then push through hoards of tourists to see a local sports team. I wish the casino industry would just once do something for Las Vegans, like invest in the pulse project.

What could they possibly do to the roads to make this location accessible to locals?

future29
Aug 24, 2007, 3:57 AM
only way this arena could be easily accessible to locals would be to make and underground/ariel freeway. i know it sounds crazy but seattle has an above ground freeway right in the heart of downtown and it works perfectly.

but i have never liked the fact that the county/city lets these corporations build huge places without any thought for infrastructure and traffic. the strip is going to be one big cluster-fuck in 3 years time (if it isnt already) with all the new rooms and condos being built directly on the strip, not to mention this arena.

Silas
Aug 24, 2007, 5:33 AM
Please stop the whining about the arena. It will be FANTASTIC.

First off, many, if not most people will walk to the arena from the Strip. Second, many will take the monorail. The remaining number will be only approximately 10,000 people - similar to the number attending the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Big deal!!

If that is too much traffic for the locals to handle to get to a professional sporting event then too bad. Those losers who would rather deal with all the riff-raff downtown or out in the boonies are out of luck. Actually, they are in luck, as they are the only people in the entire country who will not have their taxes raised for a beautiful new stadium.

It is a fantastic deal all around.

jazfingr
Aug 24, 2007, 7:39 AM
The locals aren't stupid either. They know how to navigate the strip and will most likely park at PH or IP and walk from there.

Silas
Aug 24, 2007, 12:18 PM
Good point Jaz.

Another point is that most people will not simply arrive/depart just for the game. Most everyone will incoporate some sort of fun on the Strip either before or after the game.

That means that people will not be arriving or departing all at the same time, as is true in all other arena situations. This fact alone will make traffic flow much less of an issue. Harrah's will do their best to make sure this is true.

Empire Builder
Aug 24, 2007, 12:36 PM
mdiederi posted this link on SSC:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6943263

Funny how the majority of the projects u/c or proposed will be finished right around the time when Las Vegas is expecting a water crisis. Well, it's not funny I guess but it makes you think ......

RazzMan
Aug 24, 2007, 6:20 PM
I heard Trump is making really good deals on any remaining inventory right now in Tower I. Does anyone know the promotion pricing?

Taurus702B
Aug 24, 2007, 6:46 PM
Please stop the whining about the arena. It will be FANTASTIC.

First off, many, if not most people will walk to the arena from the Strip. Second, many will take the monorail. The remaining number will be only approximately 10,000 people - similar to the number attending the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Big deal!!

If that is too much traffic for the locals to handle to get to a professional sporting event then too bad. Those losers who would rather deal with all the riff-raff downtown or out in the boonies are out of luck. Actually, they are in luck, as they are the only people in the entire country who will not have their taxes raised for a beautiful new stadium.

It is a fantastic deal all around.

Not many locals visit the strip anyways... I am a local and I know this. We go there to work and we never use Las Vegas BLVD. Don't criticize a group of people you know nothing about. The new stadium is going to be another Neonopolis. There is going to be a traffic issue when that stadium gets built and you wouldn't know that because you don't live here.

Silas
Aug 24, 2007, 6:48 PM
I thought T-Rump sold out Tower I in 3 hours, or something like that :haha:

Silas
Aug 24, 2007, 6:57 PM
Taurus --

Sorry but I can't feel your pain. So you don't usually go to the Strip area. OK. Now if you want to go to see a game, you have to go to the Strip area. BFD. 10,000 cars for an event is going to make a big difference? I don't think so. You'd rather go to the h*ll that is downtown Vegas?

Many people live 40+ miles away from their nearest team and have to deal with heavy traffic - and 50,000 seat stadiums. And they pay through the nose for the stadium via taxes whether they ever go there or not.

You may be handed a NBA/NHL franchise on a silver platter. It will be in a location where you can either visit the Strip or not - your choice. Yet you have found something to compain about.

lfc4life
Aug 24, 2007, 7:39 PM
Good point Jaz.

Another point is that most people will not simply arrive/depart just for the game. Most everyone will incoporate some sort of fun on the Strip either before or after the game.

That means that people will not be arriving or departing all at the same time, as is true in all other arena situations. This fact alone will make traffic flow much less of an issue. Harrah's will do their best to make sure this is true.

you are of course assuming there will be a game to go to in the first place ;)

there are no guarantees that LV will get a major sports team even with two top quality arenas in place

RazzMan
Aug 24, 2007, 8:25 PM
I thought T-Rump sold out Tower I in 3 hours, or something like that :haha:



I believe its the remaining handful of units on the north facing which are not desired in any project. There were always a percentage of units that did not convert from res to hard contract.

DetKing12565
Aug 25, 2007, 1:53 AM
casino construction, someone blow my brains out. that architecture is so dull and all are the same glass buildings.

bobmcelligott
Aug 25, 2007, 2:16 AM
Silas, you putz. go away

highriseLV
Aug 25, 2007, 7:02 AM
Taurus --

Sorry but I can't feel your pain. So you don't usually go to the Strip area. OK. Now if you want to go to see a game, you have to go to the Strip area. BFD. 10,000 cars for an event is going to make a big difference? I don't think so. You'd rather go to the h*ll that is downtown Vegas?

Many people live 40+ miles away from their nearest team and have to deal with heavy traffic - and 50,000 seat stadiums. And they pay through the nose for the stadium via taxes whether they ever go there or not.

You may be handed a NBA/NHL franchise on a silver platter. It will be in a location where you can either visit the Strip or not - your choice. Yet you have found something to compain about.

Silas, you're an IDIOT!

Of course you can't feel the pain of Taurus, or the pain of any Las Vegas local - because you're nothing but tourist. A follower who goes with the great marketing campaigns of the multi billion dollar owner's of the strip. Don't get me wrong, because I love you, you keep me employed, you keep thousands of construction workers employed, and you help build brand new multi billion dollar casinos.

But honestly, when was the last time you acutally spent any time in downtown? When was the last time you sat behind the wheel and drove a car on the strip? Seriously, I want your response, because you don't have a clue.

Don't call downtown a hell when you don't have a clue and haven't been downtown for years, and don't tell a local that an additional 10,000 cars isn't going to make a difference in an area that most locals only go to when family or friends are in town (and half the time locals still don't go and just hand over the keys), because they don't want to have to deal with 200-300,000 tourists congesting the area on any given day.

Part of the reason downtown has such a bad name is because of dumb ass remarks like yours.

What makes it hell? Seriously, what makes it hell?

Because you read in a paper that Neonopolis was a flop? Because there are some homeless people, some crack addicts, and hookers? THAT'S LIFE! If you've read the LVRJ in the past several months, I bet you hear about more meth labs and whore houses in GV and Summerlin than you do in downtown. (Please don't make me post those articles).

Maybe the part of "HELL" you're referring to is the $15-20 Billion that are being pumped into the area? Do I really have to mention WMC, the LV Premium Outlets, the Lou Ruvo Brain Institue, the performing arts center, the Molasky Corp. Center, new IRS Building, new entertainment district, Regional Justice Center, Federal Courthouse, Soho Lofts, Newport Lofts, Juhl, and Streamline? Maybe it's the 30-40,000 professionals who work in downtown that make it hell?

No, you're right. There are some bail bond joints downtown, and that makes it hell. (although I guess it would make sense that the bail bonds set up shop in downtown, since downtown it is where all of the attorney's and courthouses are).

Wake up and get on board!!!!

Actually, mark my words - in less than three years you will be on board and you will LOVE downtown Las Vegas and be singing its praises telling everyone how cool it is - but by then, so will everyone else. Especially the 2 million (and counting) locals who will love the easy access to I15 and US95 (those are the two major freeways that have multiple exits with direct access into HELL) on their way to see the HOME TEAM - not the tourist's team. After all, isn't the point to have something that locals will go to, support, and call their own? I know a lot of Dodger's fans, and they'll pack any stadium this close to LA. But what about when the Marlins are in town? How about the Nationals? Phillies? Mets? Cubs? (yes, the Cubs will sell out and I would battle the strip congestion for that), but seriously, who would go see the Pirates when they came to town?

Then again, I bet you still think CityCenter would be a great place to live on a full time basis. Yeah, good luck dealing with the traffic on Trop, Flamingo, and LV Blvd on a daily basis. That makes a lot of sense.

Hans Gruber
Aug 25, 2007, 10:44 AM
Hold the phone. Las Vegas needs a major league baseball team to fill out the American League West division. That will give me a good excuse to fly in to Vegas to watch the Mariners play the gamblers. Also Vegas deserves a NBA and NHL team as well. You guys also deserve an NFL team as well. Now if they can figure out the gambling on sports problem. I've got a solution, who gives a shi[t about sports betting, it's Vegas.

Downtown Vegas has always been a hole with the exceptioin of the Nugget. However, I have always felt safe downtown. If you compare Las Vegas to Atlantic City as far as safety is concerned, Vegas is far safer. I would like to see more security and police visible to prevent the thugs from thinking Vegas is their town for trouble. Vegas is everybody's town for a good time as long as nobody gets hurt.

drobar
Aug 25, 2007, 4:17 PM
Wow. Just read that SHR is postponed. They state that it's due to the current problems in the market. Makes one wonder what else will be put on "hold" in the coming months......:(

Silas
Aug 25, 2007, 11:55 PM
HRLV,

I feel your pain.

hotdog
Aug 26, 2007, 4:11 PM
I have to agree with Silas, the traffic for Harrah's arena would be no big deal. It will probably be less than 10,000 cars since the average car probably carries more than 2 people and some people walk from the strip. Lots of cities have baseball games (which draw 2-3 times the number) that require traffic to arrive soon after rush hour. And football games draw 4 times the number, though on weekends. Residents of those cities learn to adjust.

Some locals (such as myself coming from Henderson) will come up through the airport bypass and avoid Las Vegas Blvd altogether; while other locals coming from other directions will find other ways of avoiding the strip at Flamingo. There are tons of events at Thomas & Mack for example that draw comparable numbers and the traffic isn't that bad. Having lived in NYC and LA before coming here, I find the traffic in Vegas to be a breeze. And if traffic really is worse than I think it will be, the locals will just go early or leave late, by killing time at a nearby casino and making money for Harrah's.

And yeah, maybe in a few years downtown might be a great place, but oftentimes optimistic views don't materialize. Right now it is pretty shady and dumpy, except for a few areas. But it would be fine for an arena, where you can just drive in and out without leaving the safety of the car.

jazfingr
Aug 26, 2007, 9:40 PM
I going to break the heated mood in here with a photo of the work being done on the Palazzo condo tower, which will be atop the Barney's store.

:D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1134/1242774679_44d3f43721_o.jpg

Superfish
Aug 26, 2007, 11:08 PM
good shot. however it's already outdated as how fast things go here. I saw a red tower crane section already going up yesterday.

heyyoucharlie
Aug 27, 2007, 6:13 AM
I don't care how much traffic a new stadium creates... I want I Pro sports team here!!!

True locals will be able to find ways around the traffic... with "back roads" and such, it souldn't be that bad of a problem. If your a local and you're driving on the Strip when it's busy thats you own bad.

IT'S CALLED PLANNING AHEAD...:tup: :cheers: :tup:

mdiederi
Aug 27, 2007, 4:29 PM
Well, here's Koval this morning behind the IP and Flamingo hotels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/disasters/Picture1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/disasters/Picture2.png
Yeah, that's the monorail track

jazfingr
Aug 29, 2007, 2:38 AM
Hey,... where is everyone?

Check out the cool lighting features atop Palazzo. :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/1263235896_659a138786_o.jpg

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 29, 2007, 6:18 AM
Awesome lights Jaz....I know this forum is slow as of late!

cosmo2k8
Aug 29, 2007, 6:20 AM
Just the calm before the storm that is Labor Day festivities! :cheers:

ScottG
Aug 29, 2007, 7:48 PM
^^^^ Thats A Lot Of Detail For The Top Of Such A Tall Building. Who Will See That?

jazfingr
Aug 29, 2007, 8:06 PM
^^^^ Thats A Lot Of Detail For The Top Of Such A Tall Building. Who Will See That?

Well...to name a few...

People in the upper rooms at Wynn, Venetian and TI
People with good eyes
People staying in the penthouses at Palazzo
People with good cameras

Hey, EIFS is cheap. It's not like they're hand carving this stuff. Pour it in a pre-carved mold, spray it with a textured epoxy and presto - instant stonework.

I'm not a fan of EIFS, but I'm looking forward to seeing this lit up.

solstadwest
Aug 30, 2007, 1:48 AM
I believe its the remaining handful of units on the north facing which are not desired in any project. There were always a percentage of units that did not convert from res to hard contract.

How many of the cosmo owners have or would like a north facing unit ( bellagio water show ) vs city Center?!

ScottG
Aug 30, 2007, 2:55 PM
Well...to name a few...

People in the upper rooms at Wynn, Venetian and TI
People with good eyes
People staying in the penthouses at Palazzo
People with good cameras

Hey, EIFS is cheap. It's not like they're hand carving this stuff. Pour it in a pre-carved mold, spray it with a textured epoxy and presto - instant stonework.

I'm not a fan of EIFS, but I'm looking forward to seeing this lit up.

^^^ i sit at the computer corrected :)

jazfingr
Aug 30, 2007, 4:39 PM
How many of the cosmo owners have or would like a north facing unit ( bellagio water show ) vs city Center?!

I think any of the South strip projects would favor a north view, just like the north strip projects would favor a south view.

laguna
Aug 31, 2007, 1:52 AM
I visited the Cosmo sales office on Polaris street the other day to look at the models. The Hudson unit is laid out so well and the shower and tub portion is the coolest thing I have seen in a condotel. The ceiling height plus the extra sq. ft. of the unit made a huge visual impact. But best of all the balcony that extends the whole length of the unit is going to really set it apart from the non-balcony competitors. I asked the salesman about views and he said that looking down on the Bellagio fountain is not as spectacular as being on the ground and looking horizontally at it. Besides the fact that there is a premium price for the fountain view that may not be any nicer than a view of the adult (possibly an interesting adult one) pool and the CityCenter.

I now have toured the Vidara,MGM Signature,Trump and think that in the long run, Cosmo will yield a higher yearly return.

cosmo2k8
Aug 31, 2007, 4:36 AM
Add to the fact that The Cosmopolitan is the only one of the four you mentioned that actually is located on Las Vegas Blvd.

Thanks for the info laguna!

:tup:

Tlwarnke
Sep 1, 2007, 12:22 AM
I heard that PH has postponed it's September 28/29 grand opening indefinitely. Anyone hear this and know why?

Thanx

PeteK
Sep 1, 2007, 4:56 AM
laguna,

Please reconsider the information given to you by a salesman for Cosmo. To think that a City Center view would be superior to a Bellagio fountain view may be a sales ploy based on the fact that fountain view rooms are sold out and City Center views are not. Also, note the fact that the "views" from any certain location at the Cosmo are subject to the following:

1. The Bellagio fountains are the most viewed attraction in Las Vegas, period.
2. Fountain view rooms at the Bellagio and other hotels command a larger per night fee. While I will agree the fountains are better viewed from the ground, the Cosmo balconies will present a one of a kind view whether from the top or the bottom floors. In any strip hotel, the high strip view is the most sought after room from a booking standpoint.
3. Vrada "partial fountain" view condos are commanding a higher price than any other view from that development.
4. Some views of City Center from the Cosmo will be partially or totally blocked by the Harmon. This is especially the case with the Beach Tower condos which is the only inventory of condos left (supposedly). Even with the main tower units, you will not be able to see all of City Center due to the placement of the buildings.

I'm not saying the City Center views will be inferior; I believe that's a matter of taste and preference. But as I've seen and heard from all the condo salesmen out there, you "can't go wrong" or "this is better than that" usually means "watch out". I do agree that Cosmo is one of the developments that will be successful and in demand.

laguna
Sep 1, 2007, 5:16 AM
Thanks for your analysis. What is your opinion on the layout of the Cosmo rooms vs. the others and how valuable do you think the balcony will be compared to those who dont have it.

PeteK
Sep 1, 2007, 7:45 PM
I believe the only floor plans left in inventory are the Madison, Hudson and Park. I personally like the layouts, however they built the Madison to be a hotel room, and the rest could be both hotel or condo. Of all the designs I like the Chelsea the best. The model could be seen at the old sales office however they did not rebuild it when they moved due to the fact that they were all sold out. The Hudson design is growing on me. They redesigned it slightly and now it gives the impression of a small 1 bedroom unit instead of a studio. The bathroom/shower/tub area is pretty unique. I wish I got it rather than the Madison.
I like the Cosmo studio units better that the Signature, which is the only comparasion that I think can be made at this time. The rest of the completed projects (Sky, Turnberry, Panorama etc.) are all residential condos and not comparable in my opinion due to location or a different type of product. One could argue that they will hold or increase in value over time, none will offer the central strip location that will be hot for years to come. Alot has been said about the north strip locations, however it will be years before any significant development can transform that area into what the center strip will be by 2010 or 2011. (Originally, Cosmo was to be completed by 2007 and City Center by 2008) I believe when finished City Center and Cosmo will stand alone in terms location, amenities and growth (which translates into future appreciation).

Regarding the balconies, I view them as a definite positive. Anytime you can increase your square footage (however limited) with a unique space not offered by most of the competition, it is a plus.

laguna
Sep 1, 2007, 9:09 PM
Thanks for your opinion. What do you think of Trumpand Vdara?

lukemason
Sep 2, 2007, 8:27 AM
what are some of the prices going to be in the plazzo-condos ?

and is there floor plans available yet to peek at ?

MrVegas
Sep 2, 2007, 7:41 PM
Here is an interesting article about The State Bird of Nevada "The Construction Crane".

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9531342.html

justdefended
Sep 3, 2007, 9:47 PM
Hey Laguna,

Was just over at the CityCenter sales pavillion this weekend and I really liked the layout of the Vdara deluxe studio. The seperate kitchen, living room and bedroom have a big impact on delivering a one-bedroom like feel, and the building's architecture itself (designed by Raphael Vinoly) is a huge plus.

It is true, the units at Vdara facing North on the east side can command a $100,000 premium over units that will not have the potential Bellagio fountain views. Although the view is not guaranteed, there is an empty portion between the Bellagio spa tower and Cosmo that will likely yield a strip / fountain view.

Went to the old Cosmo sales center (before it was moved) and really liked the Japanese soaking tub and the doors that allowed the studio bedroom to be seperated from other areas. Also, the balcony space is huge!

I think the best condo hotel bets are the ones that have great management and lots of attractions nearby. Vdara, in-between CityCenter's resort and casino and Bellagio is a no brainer, Cosmo with on-strip access and Hyatt management is also a great bet. Trump won't have a connected casino until The Plaza is finished in 5 or so years so it'll take awhile.

PeteK
Sep 5, 2007, 3:12 AM
I agree with justdefended. However, the Hyatt management is really turning the screws on the rental split (less than 50% to the owner plus you pay all the fees). For starters, you have to decide whether you want a condo or a hotel room that will make money (or just breakeven). The Hyatt rental "agreement" is a one sided contract that you need a team of lawyers to decipher for you. There has already been one revision with minor concessions from Hyatt but not on the fee schedule. I have a hard time with renting my unit, getting less than half of the nightly rental fee, paying all the expenses and not getting to use it when I want. I don't know about other Cosmo owners but I didn't like the deal and this could have an impact on your expected return.

MrVegas
Sep 5, 2007, 4:42 AM
Vdara
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7096/vdara090307xi6.jpg


Fontainebleau
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3391/fontain090307hw1.jpg


Palazzo with crane for Palazzo condos on the right
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7696/palazzo090307gv6.jpg

ScottG
Sep 11, 2007, 4:46 AM
ok here is something interesting.....

that photo above will help explain this.

i saw the palazzo at night and where the "palazzo" letters are on the sides are colored lights.....

above the horizontal break is a subtle red glow and below is a subtle purple glow....why? these lights are coming from the side moldings surrounding the letters. these colors (or any colors) dont make sense.

also the planet hollywood sign (which looks like a nissan car dealership sign to the T) is now lit up. it quite bright with white lights along the sides, but a tacky 'panasonic' sign below the PH symol gives a bad taste of product placement. Also i beleive the nissan / PH sign which also reminds me of the MGM sign, is way too small and short.....

ok theres my rant

Vegas Grows Up
Sep 11, 2007, 9:10 AM
I have uploaded my September photo and video update. Below are some shots from the series!


See the entire 30 photos and videos in my September Las Vegas Strip Photo (http://www.squidoo.com/las-vegas-strip-condo-photo/) and Video Update!



CityCenter rising tall seen from penthouse at Sky
http://item.slide.com/r/1/249/i/zuA9cjR60T9S_gh9BcD6cm2vKjkm2Aul/


The series includes multiple interior shots of Turnberry Towers
http://item.slide.com/r/1/376/i/GGCJHfI2sT_b8PU_ssXqtadIZGEnYwLM/


Harmon Bridge filling in
http://item.slide.com/r/1/1/i/g0GNIQEP5D--YK-F9vLIcZelVPiaMt58/

Harmon Hotel curved architecture seen here
http://item.slide.com/r/1/56/i/wOKjaliRqj9sYyYuR7duRY84dT-frgiQ/


See the entire 30 photos and videos in my September Las Vegas Strip Photo (http://www.squidoo.com/las-vegas-strip-condo-photo/) and Video Update!

jazfingr
Sep 12, 2007, 5:07 AM
Great shots Aaron...thanks

Regarding Palazzo's side lighting. here's a photo I shot on Sunday night.
I really hoping that they are just testing colors and hate these :yuck: . Orange or yellow might be OK, but I think any color would take away from the classy image Palazzo is poised to portray. Just MHO

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/1364449318_0404baa523_o.jpg

ScottG
Sep 12, 2007, 7:21 AM
thanks for the quick photo post JAZ! i hate that i dont have my camera with me at all times.

ScottG
Sep 12, 2007, 7:27 AM
at VTAT theres a new shot of encore with the question concerning if there is a problem with some of the instaled glass, seems like some windows are more transparent than others.....but if you zoom in it looks like maybe these questionable windows are just dirty........?
either way its an interesting find.

ALSO im wondering what the hell is going to be at the podium level of encore. (meaning what building will be infront of the tower and strip side?)

lfc4life
Sep 12, 2007, 2:18 PM
there is no way surely there are going ahead with that pink and red neon lighting on palazzo. It will look like a 650ft version of one of them strip clubs on industrial :haha:

aluminum
Sep 12, 2007, 2:38 PM
Las Vegas is undergoing a huge construction boom, thats right.
I don't live in Vegas but I went there few days ago and took this picture with my camera, notice the number of cranes !
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8624/lasvegas2007021hf7.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8624/lasvegas2007021hf7.jpg

Complex01
Sep 12, 2007, 2:42 PM
WOW. City Center, is looking freaken awesome. Nice pics...

:yes:

Vegas Grows Up
Sep 12, 2007, 3:15 PM
Dont forget to look at the new videos I took too! They're at the bottom of the page. I have new CityCenter vids in there plus the Harmon Bridge.

See them at my new Las Vegas Strip Videos (http://www.squidoo.com/las-vegas-strip-condo-photo/)

hotdog
Sep 12, 2007, 5:52 PM
I know I'll be in the minority here, but I think the lighting
on Palazzo is nice, especially if they change the color for
different seasons, just as the Empire State Building does.
Another example of a classy looking building that is lit up
with colors is the MetLife tower at 23rd street and Madison in NYC. It looks classy in the day and vibrant at night. I think it would be worse to keep the Palazzo's windowless sides with bland lighting, it would make the building seem dead.

fishordie
Sep 13, 2007, 3:17 AM
Yo PeteK,

Its nice to see at least one other person actually read those rental agreements. I am assuming you did not sign. I especially like the part where the owner signs away his/her voting rights in the association to the Hyatt or ?? Since this is both a hotel and Condo Hotel I am especially concerned the management will end up taking over the homeowners association and make decisions based on something other than what may be best for the owners. It was also interesting to note the owner may never be able to use their own personal units during their allowed times especially during peak usage periods. I would forget about the holidays and weekends. Then there was the thing about the management being allowed 3 free days of their choice where they do not reimburse the owners anything. Now thats some huevos.

Looking at other proposed rental agreements from other major hotel condo projects they are getting even more one sided with each project going up. Other than Vdara, which I disagree in that I feel it is not a great deal regardless what side you are on, and Veer, the MGM city center looks like they will limit the rentals on their hotel/condo units to 6 month minimum leases only. I believe many of the newest to build, similar mixed hotel and residential type buildings, will be doing the same to maximize the Hotel's earning potential while at the same time keeping portions of the properties as residences without transient traffic.

I am involved in numerous units at the Cosmo all of which are Hudsons and or Chelsea floor plans which I found to be the best though I only had basic drawings when I entered into the deals.

I confirmed that when I again looked at the Hudson this weekend. The layout gives a real feel of a one bedroom unit rather than a studio especially when the doors are closed to the bed area. At the time I signed the contracts there were no doors planned and I asked if I could install my own. Now I don't have to do a thing.

I did look at the model, when it was up, of the Madison and it was killer as well. I just like the ability to close off the bedroom.

I also chose all north side units. I agree the fountains will not be as dramatic from above but the view, from either the soaking tub, bedroom, living room or balcony should be hands down one of the best in Vegas.

All in all I believe the Cosmo is the best bang for the buck in the Vegas Hotel-Condo market. The compactness of the complex will be a plus for those wandering from rooms to pool, restaurants or shopping. The only concern I have is the apparent cost over runs may create some havoc somewhere. Hopefully it will not affect those of us holding contracts.

FOD

laguna
Sep 14, 2007, 3:33 AM
I havent received any info on rental split for the Beach Club Tower. Are you in the main building? What other info re. the split can you share, it would be appreciated.

CosmoVegas
Sep 14, 2007, 4:42 PM
I just spoke to a Rep. at Cosmo. they have not finished the agreement for the Beach Club Tower. Also, she said the agreements are from the Cosmo. not the Hyatt....wonder what that's about? The Phone number (702) 309-6337 is dedicated to the rental program, reservations and other Hyatt/condo-hotel information.