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Red UM Rebel
Apr 28, 2008, 6:54 PM
Some more Wynn info:


WYNN'S 'SPECTACULAR' PLAN

Steve Wynn revealed his grand plan for the golf course land at Wynn Las Vegas last week, and the message is clear: he's going after Sheldon Adelson's domination of the convention business.

Wynn told local reporter Steve Friess that he is planning to add two hotels as bookends for "probably the most spectacular meeting and convention center in the world."

The addition of 5,200 hotel rooms will give Wynn 10,000 rooms on the former Desert Inn property, 1.5 million square feet of convention space and a lake twice the size of Bellagio's dancing fountains lake "with special effects," Wynn told Friess on his podcast vegashappenshere.com, formerly thestrippodcast.com.

The exhibition hall and ballroom will be on the lake.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/18326444.html

It is sad to see the golf course go, but this will definitely make more cash for wynn.

ScottG
Apr 28, 2008, 7:21 PM
i wonder if viva had anything to do with wynns announcement - remember once city center was announced echelon soon followed

justdefended
Apr 28, 2008, 8:57 PM
It is sad to see the golf course go, but this will definitely make more cash for wynn.

Does anyone think the 5,200 hotel rooms in the Wynn expansion will include condo hotel rooms or has that ship sailed? To secure funding, it seems banks would view standard hotel room construction to be a safer bet.

However, Wynn could still do pure residential condos near the lake, similar to the Palazzo's high-end residential offering on the strip.

ScottG
Apr 29, 2008, 2:16 PM
i would be supprised if wynn does that..he really thinks about the visitor and the overall experience. i dont think he would agree that residences would be a good offering....


i heard tho - im not sure if this was speculation - that the 4 hotels will create a W in plan.

sdc312
Apr 30, 2008, 2:39 PM
I have some pictures from last week and will get them up as soon as I figure this out, sorry.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o242/damnstallion/DSC01702.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o242/damnstallion/DSC01707.jpg
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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o242/damnstallion/DSC01766.jpg
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neworleans
May 1, 2008, 2:58 AM
i was on interstate 15 in north las vegas & noticed the median, which used to be a wide ditch w/ lots of planted trees, is now cleared and filled in w/ dirt, flush w/ the road bed.... looks like they're finally widening the freeway.:D

I-15 North Widening Project Underway to Ease Congestion
Posted on Thursday, April 24th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

More than 170,000 drivers use the north part of Interstate 15 every day. Thursday, a highly anticipated projected that will reduce congestion got underway. The I-15 North Widening Project will make the commute so much easier for drivers.

Thursday, Governor Jim Gibbons joined the Nevada Department of Transportation for the groundbreaking ceremony. The project will begin at the spaghetti bowl and end at Craig Road.

From the spaghetti bowl to Lake Mead, lanes will grow from six lanes to 10. Then from Lake Mead to Craig, the lanes will be expanded from five lanes to eight.

“This project is going to make that trip a lot more efficient, a lot more effective and a lot smoother and quicker for all of those motorists,” said Gibbons.

Jeff Hale, NDOT's project manager for I-15 widening said, “We're asking people to be patient. It is going to be difficult but I tell you what when this thing opens up, it's going to be hugely improved over what's up there now.”

The project will cost a total of $240 million. NDOT hopes to have it completed by August, 2010. Until then, there will be many lane restrictions and changes that will clog the commute.


http://blogs.lasvegasnow.com/nellis-sunrise/2008/04/24/8223328/

vwwolfe
May 4, 2008, 7:00 PM
Nice pics in the following thread.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=150520

CHAPINM1
May 5, 2008, 6:17 AM
Will Fountainebleau have missing floors like the Wynn, Encore, or Trump have. Such as a missing 4th, 13th, or any floors in the 40s? Thanks in advance.

MrVegas
May 5, 2008, 6:37 AM
Veer now has some glass
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9586/veer050408ei0.jpg

Springhill Suites
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/614/springhill050408bn5.jpg

Another huge sign is being installed next to Planet Hollywood Towers
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8233/planet050408yq1.jpg

Fontainebleau
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3246/font050408nc5.jpg

Echelon
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/960/echelon050408dg2.jpg

Cosmopolitan
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4414/cosmo050408up4.jpg

heyyoucharlie
May 5, 2008, 6:44 AM
Nice to see the glass going up on Veer... I think when the 2 Veer towers are complete they will look amazing!!!

Patrick
May 5, 2008, 6:47 AM
Whats Springhill Suites?

jazfingr
May 5, 2008, 9:18 AM
:previous:

You can see Marriott Springhill Suites on The Map (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/condomap.htm) behind the Riviera. :tup:

Silas
May 5, 2008, 4:37 PM
Thanks for the photos, those are really excellent shots!

I am very impressed by Veer -- that is looking great! Cosmo has potential but I'm not too impressed so far by the look.

PH Towers might do well to incorporate some red glass in there as RIO has done. The cranes show that red goes well, instead of the monolithic look. F-Blue is monolithic and it is reflecting its own parking lot ??? I hope F-blue has something up its sleeve because so far, not too impressed.

CHAPINM1
May 5, 2008, 7:41 PM
Thanks for the photos, those are really excellent shots!

I am very impressed by Veer -- that is looking great! Cosmo has potential but I'm not too impressed so far by the look.

PH Towers might do well to incorporate some red glass in there as RIO has done. The cranes show that red goes well, instead of the monolithic look. F-Blue is monolithic and it is reflecting its own parking lot ??? I hope F-blue has something up its sleeve because so far, not too impressed.

Must take a lot to impress you huh? :rolleyes:

Silas
May 5, 2008, 8:04 PM
something other than blue reflective glass is the threshold.

Veer is clearly the winner.

vegasrain84
May 6, 2008, 12:23 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCaSMpwrAzEulgNBAe6Lj0iiHrfQD90FOA480


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — The fallout from losing its New Jersey casino license will force the owner of Tropicana casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, the company said Monday.

Tropicana Entertainment LLC said it plans to continue operating and will keep current staffing levels.

It was buffeted by a chain of events that began Dec. 12 when the New Jersey Casino Control Commission determined that the company was incapable of running the "first-class operation" required by state law and stripped the Tropicana in Atlantic City of its casino license after less than a year.

That touched off a funding crisis that the company desperately struggled to fend off until deciding to file for protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, listing assets of $2.8 billion and liabilities of $3.3 billion. Company officials said they expected to file the petition Monday evening.

Scott C. Butera, the company's president, called the filing "an opportunity to take a breathing spell," get its debt under control, and move forward.

He urged current patrons of the Tropicana and the company's other casinos to keep coming.

CHAPINM1
May 6, 2008, 12:35 AM
something other than blue reflective glass is the threshold.

Veer is clearly the winner.

Blue reflective glass may be pretty repetitive, but at least it's not ugly and to me it is really quite striking! My favorite project going up right now in Vegas would have to be Fountainebleau. I love the night rendering of it! I hear some of the background on the glass for some of these buildings is quite extensive, I know for the Cosmopolitan, I believe the glass came from China.

Red UM Rebel
May 6, 2008, 1:21 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCaSMpwrAzEulgNBAe6Lj0iiHrfQD90FOA480


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — The fallout from losing its New Jersey casino license will force the owner of Tropicana casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, the company said Monday.

Tropicana Entertainment LLC said it plans to continue operating and will keep current staffing levels.

It was buffeted by a chain of events that began Dec. 12 when the New Jersey Casino Control Commission determined that the company was incapable of running the "first-class operation" required by state law and stripped the Tropicana in Atlantic City of its casino license after less than a year.

That touched off a funding crisis that the company desperately struggled to fend off until deciding to file for protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, listing assets of $2.8 billion and liabilities of $3.3 billion. Company officials said they expected to file the petition Monday evening.

Scott C. Butera, the company's president, called the filing "an opportunity to take a breathing spell," get its debt under control, and move forward.

He urged current patrons of the Tropicana and the company's other casinos to keep coming.

Half a billion in liabilities is huge for a company that has been around for such a short time. The story of Tropicana and so many that are already gone on the strip, the boardwalk and even the gulf coast: If you refuse or do not continue to update and innovate your products, people will stop coming when options like Wynn, Echelon, Palazzo, CityCenter, Borgota, Harrah's new tower, etc. keep being built. On VT&T there is a picture of renderings of what could have been, I wonder why they pulled that project.

Cbautz
May 6, 2008, 1:55 AM
I was just in Vegas last week for a conference. Got some good construction pics of City Center and others. I am going to post a super vegas thread in later on tonite, let me know what you think Enjoy...


City Center (this development is crazy, and this is from a chicagoan)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2468875289_9449e26c53_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2468875973_37f7d5c09a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2468876411_c5291f43fd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2071/2468870527_b5eaef3d41_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2390/2469693802_cd13e6e940_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2390/2469693802_cd13e6e940_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2468871429_ece93cddbe_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2468872071_1e9c45c70a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2469695210_fcc1eea4ff_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/2469695582_807df3cf17_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2349/2468873263_738c646d62_b.jpg

Planet Hollywood

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2038/2469694496_6a316a21be_b.jpg

future29
May 6, 2008, 4:59 AM
Veer is gonna look great from the outside but i wouldnt want to live there. it looks like every room will have a pole blocking your window view.

CHAPINM1
May 6, 2008, 11:23 PM
Will Fountainebleau have missing floors like the Wynn, Encore, or Trump have. Such as a missing 4th, 13th, or any floors in the 40s? Thanks in advance.

Also, when is the 670 foot Marriot supposed to start construction?

lfc4life
May 7, 2008, 12:44 AM
Will Fountainebleau have missing floors like the Wynn, Encore, or Trump have. Such as a missing 4th, 13th, or any floors in the 40s? Thanks in advance.

Also, when is the 670 foot Marriot supposed to start construction?

if they expect to attract asian gamblers then yes they will have missing floors

no word on the marriot for a while, construction was supposed to start in the Fall of 2008 and run till early 2011 but with the current economic climate the way it is that maybe pushing it

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 12:53 AM
Thank you lfc4life for the info! Anway, do you or anybody else also know the timeline for the World Jewelry Center since Union Park is now underway? Also, even though this may be kind of a long shot, I'd be willing to bet that when the economy starts improving again that the Marriot may have a height increase and there will be a huge announcement! It's happened to several other projects in other cities... A project is announced, then goes quiet, then a ways down the road you'll hear that there is a huge modification inclulding a height increase. Nothing sure, but just a prediction. Also take into account that since Crown Las Vegas is now canceled, that does leave more room for other projects in the future. I'd be willing to bet that in the future there will be a project going up on the current location of where Crown was supposed to be built and have a much better design at the same height that Crown was appoved for!

lfc4life
May 7, 2008, 1:54 AM
world Jewelry Center was supposed to start first quarter 2008 with completion in mid 2010. The whole groundbreaking ceremony at Union Park is a bit of a farce imo

Marriott is inside the FAA zone where 700ft i believe is the upper limit, so its not going to be taller than 700ft whatever happens

i am not so sure about the crown site, milam wanted to be different by building tall, he saw that as the answer to getting people to his casino, many others see massiveness as the answer or malls or roadside attractions etc. there is no guarantee that whoever does build there (if someone does build there) that it will be tall, after all the site that was proposed for ivana las vegas (just up the road from crown) got permission to go up to 950ft, the people that ended up buying that are the same people who build walgreens stores, i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 2:09 AM
i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

The Walgreens could be at the base of something that could go up in the future. Also, that land has so much potential. I see something happening there in the years to come. ;)

heyyoucharlie
May 7, 2008, 6:33 AM
world Jewelry Center was supposed to start first quarter 2008 with completion in mid 2010. The whole groundbreaking ceremony at Union Park is a bit of a farce imo

Last I heard the WJC was to "start" (ie prepwork/groundwork) in the Fall of 08... ??? We will see. I hope so, because it should/will become the jewel of downtown if it is ever actually complete.

Marriott is inside the FAA zone where 700ft i believe is the upper limit, so its not going to be taller than 700ft whatever happens

Even if its not more then 700ft, it will be better then what is there now... Paradise Rd just keep getting better and better everyday!!!

i am not so sure about the crown site, milam wanted to be different by building tall, he saw that as the answer to getting people to his casino, many others see massiveness as the answer or malls or roadside attractions etc. there is no guarantee that whoever does build there (if someone does build there) that it will be tall, after all the site that was proposed for ivana las vegas (just up the road from crown) got permission to go up to 950ft, the people that ended up buying that are the same people who build walgreens stores, i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

I would be willing to bet the we don't hear anything until the FB is complete and no longer has a use (construction trailers wise) for the corwn lot before we hear what will actuall happen there... It is a wonderful location, and now that they have a 1,000ft+ limit approved on that land, anything is possible.
Also, don't forget that MGM owns the land across the strip... Meaning something big will eventually happen with the crown location!!! :banana:

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 6:43 AM
Last I heard the WJC was to "start" (ie prepwork/groundwork) in the Fall of 08... ??? We will see. I hope so, because it should/will become the jewel of downtown if it is ever actually complete.


Not only the jewel of downtown, but the jewel of Las Vegas. This building will not only be a pioneer in height for Las Vegas if you exclude the Stratosphere, but also a pioneer for the fact that it will be the first building in Las Vegas at that proportion to not be gaming or tourist related.

mdiederi
May 7, 2008, 6:52 AM
WJC was pushed back another year a couple months ago.

heyyoucharlie
May 7, 2008, 6:52 AM
100% agreed!!! I would also like to see what ends up happening with the N/W corner of Charleston/Grand Central where the Sandhursh was cancelled... If the "Grand Central" (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/grandcentralhhotel.htm) gets built it could match the WJC at 61 stories!!!

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 6:55 AM
100% agreed!!! I would also like to see what ends up happening with the N/W corner of Charleston/Grand Central where the Sandhursh was cancelled... If the "Grand Central" (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/grandcentralhhotel.htm) gets built it could match the WJC at 61 stories!!!

The Grand Centeral may be 61 floors, but what will it's height be? Hopefully it will be at least 800 feet like the WJC.

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 6:58 AM
WJC was pushed back another year a couple months ago.

Good to hear something about it, I'd rather hear that as opposed to anything worse. I know the developers as well as the city are serious about this project so I'm not worried.

jazfingr
May 7, 2008, 8:14 AM
The grand Central will use the usual 10' per floor - hotel standard. So, it will be about 640 feet (taller floors for the podium)

The WJC has several tall floors (fat podium) which is why it is to be 800'+

Red UM Rebel
May 7, 2008, 2:13 PM
CityCenter:

There was a great segment on CityCenter on NPR yesterday. Here is a LINK (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90231921) to the segment!

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 4:34 PM
The grand Central will use the usual 10' per floor - hotel standard. So, it will be about 640 feet (taller floors for the podium)

I know office towers are usually taller, but each building can always vary. There are several office buildings out there with varying heights between floors and various hotels out there with varying heights between floors. I guess I was just keeping my fingers crossed that they may be taller than what were used to seeing for hotel heights.

On a side note, despite the fact that hotels usually do have lower floors, with Project Citycenter, something doesn't fly with me. There HAVE to be some missing floors with the main tower and Vedara. 600 feet for 60 floors and 554 feet for 57 floors, that's exactly 10 feet or less which is absurd. There have to be some missing floors somewhere.

Then again with Project Citycenter, the facts and figures have not been very accurate, for a couple of different projects within that development, the floor count and heights have changed a few times to say the least.

jazfingr
May 7, 2008, 5:36 PM
:previous:

Well. the 13th floor is always missing.

CHAPINM1
May 7, 2008, 8:46 PM
:previous:

Well. the 13th floor is always missing.

That does help. I know there may be some floors with 4's missing as well.

Regarding the view from the Stratosphere, even once Fountainebleau will be finished it seems that we'll still be able to see the south end of the strip. With the angle looking toward the south, Fountainebleau will not quite be high enough let alone both the Wynn towers to block any views. Anyway, I guess we'll have to see once it's all done but I know that Fountainebleau is almost 2/3 the way up seeing that they are working on the 40th floor.

RandalR
May 8, 2008, 1:16 AM
That does help. I know there may be some floors with 4's missing as well.

Regarding the view from the Stratosphere, even once Fountainebleau will be finished it seems that we'll still be able to see the south end of the strip. With the angle looking toward the south, Fountainebleau will not quite be high enough let alone both the Wynn towers to block any views. Anyway, I guess we'll have to see once it's all done but I know that Fountainebleau is almost 2/3 the way up seeing that they are working on the 40th floor.

Maybe it will. I heard that Fontainebleau is being built with the structural strength to take it up to 1,030 feet, if the developers decide it's economically feasible to do that and petition Clark County for yet another variance. They've gotten everything they wanted from the county so far, so we'll see... :shrug:

CHAPINM1
May 8, 2008, 3:13 AM
Maybe it will. I heard that Fontainebleau is being built with the structural strength to take it up to 1,030 feet, if the developers decide it's economically feasible to do that and petition Clark County for yet another variance. They've gotten everything they wanted from the county so far, so we'll see... :shrug:

That may be kinda bad news for the Stratosphere viewers yet not really, people will be able to get great views from the city view and also that's great news in general! So they're building Fountainebleau so it can be vertically expanded in the future? I never knew that and if so that would make perfect sense, seeing how Crown Las Vegas got approval up to 1,064 feet, I don't see why Fountainebleau wouldn't be expanding upward in the future or if not by suprise now. :cool:

lfc4life
May 8, 2008, 12:54 PM
this shot is taken about one month ago, Fontainebleau looks to be close to 450ft comparing it with Sky and Turnberry.

what is for certain is that Fontainebleau does/will block out the Riveria. However even at 735ft tall it won't block out anything more other than part of encore and maybe Ballys

Planet Hollywood towers are going to block out Mandalay Bay it seems :(

http://i28.tinypic.com/5u4lr6.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37528321@N00/2449961254

jazfingr
May 9, 2008, 1:11 AM
...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

CHAPINM1
May 9, 2008, 3:30 AM
I seriously hope the Hilton Grand Vacations gets a recladding in the near future even though it was only completed in 2004. If I were a resident of Sky I'd feel even stronger!

jazfingr
May 9, 2008, 5:09 AM
:previous:
I seriously doubt we'll see that.

NYC2ATX
May 9, 2008, 5:44 AM
this shot is taken about one month ago, Fontainebleau looks to be close to 450ft comparing it with Sky and Turnberry.

http://i28.tinypic.com/5u4lr6.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37528321@N00/2449961254

It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future. :rolleyes:

heyyoucharlie
May 9, 2008, 6:19 AM
It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling whatever MGM does with the S/W corner is going to define the North Strip!!! I can wait to see what they come up with...:tup:

lfc4life
May 9, 2008, 10:16 AM
...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

forgot completely about echelon and of course if plaza is built it will block out even more

It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future.

lets all hope it doesn't take that long :( that site has been empty for far too long, especially given its historic importance to the strip, at least its more filled in than say 13 years ago

http://i30.tinypic.com/2z4a1ia.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuseeger/240085812/

http://i32.tinypic.com/15s4foj.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizzer/2456479662/sizes/o/

Silas
May 9, 2008, 4:04 PM
That 24-story garage should get some sort of blooper award or be in some sort of textbook about how bad a developer can screw people who bought his condos.

Man, how can Soffer be proud of that legacy? I don't care how much money there is in the world, you can't buy dignity and respect at the most fundamental level. Where is the self-respect?

CosmoVegas
May 9, 2008, 4:28 PM
Cosmopolitan news:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121029701281679533.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=64220498500645

Good news, both articles say In recent weeks, Related Cos. and Deutsche bank are still talking, I was begining to wonder. BTW, does anyone know if the bronze glass on the Cosmo is a protective film or the real glass color? Anyone have more pics of the Cosmo's glass?

Silas
May 9, 2008, 5:14 PM
I read an article about Oscar De La Hoya signing a big boxing contract with AEG. Supposedly AEG is still on track with Harrah's (that's Caesars to us) to build the arena behind Bally's.

Any word from the insiders on this project?

rhassoii
May 9, 2008, 5:29 PM
That 24-story garage should get some sort of blooper award or be in some sort of textbook about how bad a developer can screw people who bought his condos.

Man, how can Soffer be proud of that legacy? I don't care how much money there is in the world, you can't buy dignity and respect at the most fundamental level. Where is the self-respect?

Frankly I don't think he cares. He figures he already made his money off the condos so now he can screw everyone. I bought on the 20th floor based on the plans and now have a 20th floor garage view.

The worst part is Soffer came to a meeting with all the Residents and gave us his word that the garage would not go above 175ft. The next morning they filed their application with the county to go to 230ft.

rhassoii
May 9, 2008, 5:34 PM
Article about the Riviera and its previous buyout offers:

http://www.lvrj.com/business/18796049.html

There were several offers to buy Riveria Holdings Corp. last year, but no one ever came forward with any cash to back up their bid, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer William Westerman said Thursday during a conference call announcing the company's first-quarter earnings.

Still, the company would "entertain and give serious consideration to any legitimate offer," he said. "Anyone we would get that would have a likelihood of success we would take to our shareholders."

Silas
May 9, 2008, 5:43 PM
My condolences (no pun intended) to you, sir.

I know what you mean. A number of years ago I worked at a small biotech company. Although I was contract, most people I worked with were heavily vested in the company. The CEO had the nerve (and lack of any dignity) to tell the entire company straight to their faces that everything was cool for FDA submission. The next week the company got bitch-slapped so hard by the FDA that the stock dropped from $10 to $2. Stock was halted that day and company shut down 60 days later. Of course the CEO dude got a huge payoff when the company was sold off for peanuts.

It is easy for most scum like this to disappear forever behind their gated communites and pretend they are upstanding people. But for someone like Soffer to give his previous condo-buyers the finger in such a way is not only scummy but stupid, IMO. The physical structure of the F-blue will always tell me that Soffer is an a scum-sucker at the most basic level. To not even understand that he is building a monument that testifies to this, shows his lack of intelligence as well as his lack of class.

CHAPINM1
May 9, 2008, 10:01 PM
Just making sure, but isn't the only thing in between the Fountainebleau parking ramp and Turnberry Place a street?

RandalR
May 9, 2008, 11:02 PM
Just making sure, but isn't the only thing in between the Fountainebleau parking ramp and Turnberry Place a street?

Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

I bought in Tower Four back in 2004 (pre-construction) to avoid whatever got put there. I'm on the 20th floor also. I can still see a little of the Spring Mountains over the top of the garage, but my main view is the other way, toward the Hilton. The design seems dumb to me - the garage should have been on the north edge of the property and the tower on the south, leaving the center of the property open the way Turnberry's Stirling Club area is. Even a hundred foot tall podium in that area wouldn't have been so bad.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

Patrick
May 11, 2008, 7:43 AM
...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

lfc4life
May 11, 2008, 12:19 PM
Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

yes it is but remember that "classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip" has only been available to people since April 1996; what that view will look like in May 2020 is anyone's guess

CHAPINM1
May 11, 2008, 10:35 PM
Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

Quite the opposite, cities grow and things change and this only proves it! It's great to see all these new taller fatass buildings being built! Echelon, Fountainebleau, and Wynn are just a few of several new additions that are and will be spectacular additions to the Las Vegas skyline! It will make my visits to the Stratosphere that much more interesting! :cool:

CHAPINM1
May 11, 2008, 10:41 PM
Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

I bought in Tower Four back in 2004 (pre-construction) to avoid whatever got put there. I'm on the 20th floor also. I can still see a little of the Spring Mountains over the top of the garage, but my main view is the other way, toward the Hilton. The design seems dumb to me - the garage should have been on the north edge of the property and the tower on the south, leaving the center of the property open the way Turnberry's Stirling Club area is. Even a hundred foot tall podium in that area wouldn't have been so bad.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

Here is a VERY positive thought that reciently came to mind. It may sound kinda weird, but even though your view is for the most part obstructed by a huge parking ramp, it will be worth it since you are in the location that you are! I see Las Vegas as the NYC of the west. Your location will only increase in value as time goes on, I see where you are as the Midtown Manhattan of Las Vegas. When people 20 years from now in Las Vegas will be buying, the views will probably be not their primary concern, but rather the location. As comparing Las Vegas to NYC in another aspect, there will be canyons of skyscrapers!

On a side note, wouldn't a 24 floor parking ramp be the tallest parking ramp in the world up to this point? I have never seen a parking ramp that has that many floors.

RandalR
May 11, 2008, 11:29 PM
Here is a VERY positive thought that reciently came to mind. It may sound kinda weird, but even though your view is for the most part obstructed by a huge parking ramp, it will be worth it since you are in the location that you are! I see Las Vegas as the NYC of the west. Your location will only increase in value as time goes on, I see where you are as the Midtown Manhattan of Las Vegas. When people 20 years from now in Las Vegas will be buying, the views will probably be not their primary concern, but rather the location. As comparing Las Vegas to NYC in another aspect, there will be canyons of skyscrapers!

On a side note, wouldn't a 24 floor parking ramp be the tallest parking ramp in the world up to this point? I have never seen a parking ramp that has that many floors.

Oh, I'm not worried at all - Turnberry Place is even now the best complex of its kind in the Western US, IMHO. Once all the work around us is finished, it will be just as you say.

There are actually only six levels of parking - more than half of the height is convention space. That's what touched off the fight - they took the originally planned 70-foot-high parking garage and added the huge convention center on top as an afterthought.

ScottG
May 12, 2008, 12:03 AM
^^^^ its a shame that right when you enter the gates of turnberry place, there is a huge rear end of a hotel greeting you.


here are some photos i got today:


looks like the golden nugget is re cladding their towers .. (also the new tower is about to get a crane)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3126/image047fo6.jpg


back side of FB
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5435/image051zi5.jpg


across the street is the sales center - they ditched the swiss cheese look about went for the FB logo - thats all there is on the street side - this flat wall with 'FB's repeated all over it

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6791/image052fy1.jpg


front of encore - with the main porte cochere - looks like there will be a HUGE atrium immidiatly within the vestibule

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6643/image056hx3.jpg

venetian condos thats not a stone podium - its just a cloth / net hidden the bare bones construction

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8640/image057ce1.jpg

the harmon (i missed cosmo - but its getting TALL - im liking the blue/black glass on it) im curious to see the 'sky - clouds' glass the harmon will get

notice the HUGE air vents in the front of the harmon

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4175/image062ld8.jpg

here is planet hollywood tower and mandarin hotel....PH is tall....

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6314/image068jr7.jpg

and latestly here is the monte carlo reborn - youd never know the ugly scars hidden behind this makeup

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6889/image069hz9.jpg

CHAPINM1
May 12, 2008, 12:11 AM
Oh, I'm not worried at all - Turnberry Place is even now the best complex of its kind in the Western US, IMHO. Once all the work around us is finished, it will be just as you say.

There are actually only six levels of parking - more than half of the height is convention space. That's what touched off the fight - they took the originally planned 70-foot-high parking garage and added the huge convention center on top as an afterthought.

I never knew most of that was convention space. That makes a lot more sense, thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)

ScottG
May 12, 2008, 12:22 AM
did anyone find out what is being constructed behind the riv[iera]

there is a crane making a parking garage directly behind the current riv garage - a tower atop a garage? a replacement garage for riv? they dont need another garage - whats goin on here?

maybe they are mayking room to move the cars into the new garage so they can take down the old one and make a new tower???

jazfingr
May 12, 2008, 3:14 AM
:previous:

That's the Marriott Springhill Suites. It is to be a 22-story hotel. No renderings yet, but it's been on THE Map (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/condomap.htm) for two months now.
"use the source, Scott" :D

NYC2ATX
May 12, 2008, 12:45 PM
ignore.

ScottG
May 12, 2008, 5:29 PM
"use the source, Scott" :D

hahaha - i should have known!

VegasMatt
May 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
Here is an overview of the ride supposedly going into the Tropicana.

http://www.screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2008_0509_TropAir21.jpg

mttbox
May 12, 2008, 6:29 PM
any news on the plaza?

Vtown420
May 12, 2008, 7:43 PM
How tall is the new Golden Nugget tower going to be?

I posted a whole bunch of pics in city photos. They're about a month old. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=151003

RandalR
May 12, 2008, 10:02 PM
any news on the plaza?

Postponed indefinitely until the credit markets improve. Nobody is willing to lend billions right now.

They might as well have left the New Frontier up for a couple years - better than a dusty vacant lot (though maybe not much...) ;)

CHAPINM1
May 12, 2008, 10:05 PM
Postponed indefinitely until the credit markets improve. Nobody is willing to lend billions right now.

They might as well have left the New Frontier up for a couple years - better than a dusty vacant lot (though maybe not much...) ;)

Or hopefully something better will come along and get built. It definetly wouldn't be the first time we've seen a project in Las Vegas get cancelled. :rolleyes:

On a random note, where was the W Hotel and Residences that got cancelled a while back originally supposed to be located?

Sperman 508
May 12, 2008, 10:34 PM
on harmon, somewhere between p-ho towers and hard rock i thought...

jazfingr
May 12, 2008, 10:36 PM
:previous:

You can see the location and all the news on VTaT here (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/whotel.htm)

"use the Source CHAPINM" :D

Sperman 508
May 12, 2008, 10:41 PM
im addicted to the source... im always on vt&t... i love it... hahaha...

CHAPINM1
May 12, 2008, 10:59 PM
im addicted to the source... im always on vt&t... i love it... hahaha...

I agree, I forget how to navagate on there from time to time. Between this forum and VT&T I am on both very frequently, but in the meantime if anyone can provide updates of Fountinebleau us much as possible that would awesome! I know there are lots up updates, but that particular project I can't get enough of. What is the current floor that is being worked on at this point with that project?

Kirre
May 13, 2008, 1:01 AM
Anyone able to get a shot of the pool area at the Planet Hollywood Towers? They moved the webcam up a few weeks ago to show the upper floors of tower 1 so you can't see that area. The last I saw the supporting structure for the pool was coming along nicely. Thanks.

jazfingr
May 13, 2008, 5:46 AM
Anyone able to get a shot of the pool area at the Planet Hollywood Towers? They moved the webcam up a few weeks ago to show the upper floors of tower 1 so you can't see that area. The last I saw the supporting structure for the pool was coming along nicely. Thanks.

What are they doing to the pool area??

Tlwarnke
May 13, 2008, 12:40 PM
I believe he is meaning the new pool area of the towers not the hotel pool area. The last I saw on the webcam was an outline of the pool.

Terry

RandalR
May 13, 2008, 5:49 PM
Or hopefully something better will come along and get built. It definetly wouldn't be the first time we've seen a project in Las Vegas get cancelled. :rolleyes:

I hope so. The Plaza renderings are about the ugliest thing I've seen proposed in Las Vegas since the Titanic Hotel. :haha: Some kind of glass tower that visually ties Trump and Wynn together would be a lot more appropriate.

ScottG
May 13, 2008, 7:38 PM
i LOVE the new vintage vegas construction segment on VTAT - amazing photos


what the f is up with thtat rop water ride? is this wet n wild? that is a large project for a ......ride?!

who goes on rides now a days in vegas - especially at the trop

(DONT bash me - i know theres roller coasters etc, but they are not extrememly busy any more these days)

CHAPINM1
May 13, 2008, 9:02 PM
I hope so. The Plaza renderings are about the ugliest thing I've seen proposed in Las Vegas since the Titanic Hotel. :haha: Some kind of glass tower that visually ties Trump and Wynn together would be a lot more appropriate.

I couldn't agree more! ;)

rhassoii
May 14, 2008, 5:58 PM
The RJ is reporting that Vdara will top off today.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/18924644.html

case_architect
May 14, 2008, 8:12 PM
quick photo update from yesterday.

cosmo beach tower

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9291/cosmobeachtowerzb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

the harmon

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9748/harmonxz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

m resort climbing along

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/958/mresortom7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

rhassoii
May 15, 2008, 4:28 AM
Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

From what I understand they will not be giving Turnberry Residents VIP status like they promised and they will not have a way for residents to walk over without going out the main entrance and walking all the way around. They have cited safety concerns that hotel guests will try to enter Turnberry. The crash gate is suppose to be connected to Tower 1's valet parking lot area. It is pretty ridiculous that in a place of this size there is only one entry and exit in case of emergency. I think that more than any other factor shows the complete lack of care of Turnberry Associates.

RandalR
May 15, 2008, 1:09 PM
From what I understand they will not be giving Turnberry Residents VIP status like they promised and they will not have a way for residents to walk over without going out the main entrance and walking all the way around. They have cited safety concerns that hotel guests will try to enter Turnberry. The crash gate is suppose to be connected to Tower 1's valet parking lot area. It is pretty ridiculous that in a place of this size there is only one entry and exit in case of emergency. I think that more than any other factor shows the complete lack of care of Turnberry Associates.

The idea about hotel guests entering Turnberry is a lame excuse - it would take only a door secured with our existing electronic keys and one $10/hour Fontainebleau security guard to sit there and watch to completely prevent that from ever happening. We already have more "unauthorized visitors" at the Stirling Club on any given night than we would get through a Fontainebleau walkway. As for the VIP status, the lawsuits and acrimonious atmosphere that have developed between the residents and Jeffrey Soffer probably ended any chance of that.

Maybe whoever eventually builds out the Crown site will be more agreeable. :shrug:

justdefended
May 16, 2008, 5:43 PM
And the name for CityCenter's hotel casino resort is...

Aria.

Pronounced (ah-ree-ah). Italian for 'air'. Also, a song for a solo voice with instrumental accompaniment in an opera.

I like it.

And something tells me down the road when they hear that name it's going to be synonymous with top luxury Vegas resort, much like Bellagio is today.

jazfingr
May 16, 2008, 6:35 PM
:previous:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!:yuck:

I just confirmed this with the Sales Office.

They should have left it alone, as CityCenter Resort and Casino. Aria sounds too Froufrou (fancy) It makes me think of Bellagio, flowery, decorated, opera - not cool, sophisticated, modern. Oh well, what is, is, what is.

Off to the presses

justdefended
May 16, 2008, 6:41 PM
:previous:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!:yuck:

I just confirmed this with the Sales Office.

They should have left is alone, as CityCenter Resort and Casino. Aria sounds too Froufrou (fancy) It makes me think of Bellagio, flowery, decorated, opera - not cool, sophisticated, modern. Oh well, what is, is, what is.

Off to the presses

Haha. I think it has to sound a little pretentious when it's a new 5 star in a $9 billion project. Maybe they'll do a 'Aria at CityCenter' to keep the CityCenter brand in play.

CHAPINM1
May 16, 2008, 8:39 PM
Just skimmed through the Echelon website again, I'm loving that project! Between Echelon and Fountainebleau I am more than excited fot the city of Las Vegas. If you look on the Fountainebleau website, somewhere in the 16 page brouchure you can see yet another rendering of it while looking north. I think it's on page 9 or 10. That rendering shows almost the entire current strip as well and it is a rendering that has not yet been posted here.

jazfingr
May 16, 2008, 9:51 PM
:previous: That rendering shows almost the entire current strip as well and it is a rendering that has not yet been posted here.


Not very current if you really look at it. No Palazzo, Trump, Encore - hell, the Stardust is still there...lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2497300107_5b40f565b0_o.jpg

jazfingr
May 16, 2008, 9:59 PM
Haha. I think it has to sound a little pretentious when it's a new 5 star in a $9 billion project. Maybe they'll do a 'Aria at CityCenter' to keep the CityCenter brand in play.


Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

CHAPINM1
May 16, 2008, 10:03 PM
:previous:


Not very current if you really look at it. No Palazzo, Trump, Encore - hell, the Stardust is still there...lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2497300107_5b40f565b0_o.jpg

Throw all the missing buildings in there and it will be spactacular! I love all the renderings for this project, but this one in particular is very catching!

CHAPINM1
May 16, 2008, 10:06 PM
Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

I agree, it is one horseshit name... lol

BuildemBig
May 16, 2008, 10:59 PM
I agree that Aria is lame and also completely unoriginal - it's a blatant rip off of Steve Wynn and Encore (another operatic term...)

justdefended
May 16, 2008, 11:05 PM
Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

The CityCenter brand won't be going anywhere. In the U.S. Trademark database it's covered from hotel services to t-shirts. CityCenter will always be the name of the project as a whole.

A name, usually a newly introduced one, is easy to denounce because as of yet, it has no context. When the hotel is finished, when the marketing is done, everyone will know about it in relation to a top new hotel on the strip.

I remember this happened when Nintendo said their new video game console would be called "Wii". People from 5 to 95 know how to spell and say that now. :)

CHAPINM1
May 17, 2008, 7:01 AM
What was added to Project City Center to give it an extra $800,000,000 rising the pricetag from $8.4 billion to $9.2 billion?

justdefended
May 17, 2008, 7:34 AM
What was added to Project City Center to give it an extra $800,000,000 rising the pricetag from $8.4 billion to $9.2 billion?

According to the Casino City Times MGM Mirage cites rising construction costs.

http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?contentID=173079

On another note, Vdara is scheduled to open in Aug. 2009 while Aria has a scheduled opening date of Dec. 16, a slight change from the previous simultaneous Nov. 2009 date.

cosmo2k8
May 17, 2008, 9:26 AM
Aria... Ah that may explain why it took so long for them to decide on the name.

I'm speculating that MGM wanted an exotic word but it had to describe the structure in a sense (air) and had to start with the letter 'A' so if you abbreviate the name you get the A.R.C. since Pelli's tower are like arcs or two half intersecting arcs for that matter.

"(arc) (ahrk) [arcus] 1. a structure or projected path having a curved or bowlike outline."

The ABC's of Vegas:

Aria
Bellagio
Cosmopolitan

Cheers!

:tup:

hotdog
May 17, 2008, 1:36 PM
Aria is an OK name, but certainly you need to call that building something different than CityCenter to avoid confusion among future guests. Without a name change, a guest looking for the Mandarin Oriental at CityCenter might mistakenly enter the main CityCenter Resort building, or guests staying at the CityCenter Resort might think that they are already at their destination as soon as they enter the CityCenter complex, and then try to enter the wrong building. This confusion probably won't affect people arriving by taxi, since the driver will ask the relevant question, but will affect people who drive. And in terms of pretentiousness, claiming to be the center of the city is a greater exaggeration of importance than an Italian name.

neworleans
May 17, 2008, 7:49 PM
it's not like someone can't direct them where to go... and im sure the roads will have signs above them directing them as well... "mandarin parking this lane" The fact that it had the design and feel of a downtown was why i though they called it the citycenter... as well as the fact that it is the largest project in vegas. You can call it what you want, but im sticking w/ CityCenter

The_Analyst
May 17, 2008, 8:57 PM
Aria is a great name for a stripper, though. Imagine next year a few "Aria's" showing up in the clubs. A lot better than a dancer named Bellagio or MGM Grand, anyway.

justdefended
May 18, 2008, 6:30 AM
Vegas Tripping says that MGM Mirage recently registered AriaLV.com. However, there's an interesting backstory about how the name was tossed due to trademark problems and then reinstated.

http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=2064

Also, Vdara.com now belongs to MGM Mirage. It used to forward to a Japan-based website.

I'm pretty sure they can wrestle Aria.com from Washington Mutual. For some reason it forwards to some credit card payment site.