[CHAPINM1]

Thanks for the photos, those are really excellent shots!

I am very impressed by Veer -- that is looking great! Cosmo has potential but I'm not too impressed so far by the look.

PH Towers might do well to incorporate some red glass in there as RIO has done. The cranes show that red goes well, instead of the monolithic look. F-Blue is monolithic and it is reflecting its own parking lot ??? I hope F-blue has something up its sleeve because so far, not too impressed.

Must take a lot to impress you huh? :rolleyes:

[Silas]

something other than blue reflective glass is the threshold.

Veer is clearly the winner.

[vegasrain84]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCaSMpwrAzEulgNBAe6Lj0iiHrfQD90FOA480


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — The fallout from losing its New Jersey casino license will force the owner of Tropicana casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, the company said Monday.

Tropicana Entertainment LLC said it plans to continue operating and will keep current staffing levels.

It was buffeted by a chain of events that began Dec. 12 when the New Jersey Casino Control Commission determined that the company was incapable of running the "first-class operation" required by state law and stripped the Tropicana in Atlantic City of its casino license after less than a year.

That touched off a funding crisis that the company desperately struggled to fend off until deciding to file for protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, listing assets of $2.8 billion and liabilities of $3.3 billion. Company officials said they expected to file the petition Monday evening.

Scott C. Butera, the company's president, called the filing "an opportunity to take a breathing spell," get its debt under control, and move forward.

He urged current patrons of the Tropicana and the company's other casinos to keep coming.

[CHAPINM1]

something other than blue reflective glass is the threshold.

Veer is clearly the winner.

Blue reflective glass may be pretty repetitive, but at least it's not ugly and to me it is really quite striking! My favorite project going up right now in Vegas would have to be Fountainebleau. I love the night rendering of it! I hear some of the background on the glass for some of these buildings is quite extensive, I know for the Cosmopolitan, I believe the glass came from China.

[Red UM Rebel]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCaSMpwrAzEulgNBAe6Lj0iiHrfQD90FOA480


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — The fallout from losing its New Jersey casino license will force the owner of Tropicana casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, the company said Monday.

Tropicana Entertainment LLC said it plans to continue operating and will keep current staffing levels.

It was buffeted by a chain of events that began Dec. 12 when the New Jersey Casino Control Commission determined that the company was incapable of running the "first-class operation" required by state law and stripped the Tropicana in Atlantic City of its casino license after less than a year.

That touched off a funding crisis that the company desperately struggled to fend off until deciding to file for protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, listing assets of $2.8 billion and liabilities of $3.3 billion. Company officials said they expected to file the petition Monday evening.

Scott C. Butera, the company's president, called the filing "an opportunity to take a breathing spell," get its debt under control, and move forward.

He urged current patrons of the Tropicana and the company's other casinos to keep coming.

Half a billion in liabilities is huge for a company that has been around for such a short time. The story of Tropicana and so many that are already gone on the strip, the boardwalk and even the gulf coast: If you refuse or do not continue to update and innovate your products, people will stop coming when options like Wynn, Echelon, Palazzo, CityCenter, Borgota, Harrah's new tower, etc. keep being built. On VT&T there is a picture of renderings of what could have been, I wonder why they pulled that project.

[Cbautz]

I was just in Vegas last week for a conference. Got some good construction pics of City Center and others. I am going to post a super vegas thread in later on tonite, let me know what you think Enjoy...


City Center (this development is crazy, and this is from a chicagoan)
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Planet Hollywood

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2038/2469694496_6a316a21be_b.jpg

[future29]

Veer is gonna look great from the outside but i wouldnt want to live there. it looks like every room will have a pole blocking your window view.

[CHAPINM1]

Will Fountainebleau have missing floors like the Wynn, Encore, or Trump have. Such as a missing 4th, 13th, or any floors in the 40s? Thanks in advance.

Also, when is the 670 foot Marriot supposed to start construction?

[lfc4life]

Will Fountainebleau have missing floors like the Wynn, Encore, or Trump have. Such as a missing 4th, 13th, or any floors in the 40s? Thanks in advance.

Also, when is the 670 foot Marriot supposed to start construction?

if they expect to attract asian gamblers then yes they will have missing floors

no word on the marriot for a while, construction was supposed to start in the Fall of 2008 and run till early 2011 but with the current economic climate the way it is that maybe pushing it

[CHAPINM1]

Thank you lfc4life for the info! Anway, do you or anybody else also know the timeline for the World Jewelry Center since Union Park is now underway? Also, even though this may be kind of a long shot, I'd be willing to bet that when the economy starts improving again that the Marriot may have a height increase and there will be a huge announcement! It's happened to several other projects in other cities... A project is announced, then goes quiet, then a ways down the road you'll hear that there is a huge modification inclulding a height increase. Nothing sure, but just a prediction. Also take into account that since Crown Las Vegas is now canceled, that does leave more room for other projects in the future. I'd be willing to bet that in the future there will be a project going up on the current location of where Crown was supposed to be built and have a much better design at the same height that Crown was appoved for!

[lfc4life]

world Jewelry Center was supposed to start first quarter 2008 with completion in mid 2010. The whole groundbreaking ceremony at Union Park is a bit of a farce imo

Marriott is inside the FAA zone where 700ft i believe is the upper limit, so its not going to be taller than 700ft whatever happens

i am not so sure about the crown site, milam wanted to be different by building tall, he saw that as the answer to getting people to his casino, many others see massiveness as the answer or malls or roadside attractions etc. there is no guarantee that whoever does build there (if someone does build there) that it will be tall, after all the site that was proposed for ivana las vegas (just up the road from crown) got permission to go up to 950ft, the people that ended up buying that are the same people who build walgreens stores, i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

[CHAPINM1]

i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

The Walgreens could be at the base of something that could go up in the future. Also, that land has so much potential. I see something happening there in the years to come. ;)

[heyyoucharlie]

world Jewelry Center was supposed to start first quarter 2008 with completion in mid 2010. The whole groundbreaking ceremony at Union Park is a bit of a farce imo

Last I heard the WJC was to "start" (ie prepwork/groundwork) in the Fall of 08... ??? We will see. I hope so, because it should/will become the jewel of downtown if it is ever actually complete.

Marriott is inside the FAA zone where 700ft i believe is the upper limit, so its not going to be taller than 700ft whatever happens

Even if its not more then 700ft, it will be better then what is there now... Paradise Rd just keep getting better and better everyday!!!

i am not so sure about the crown site, milam wanted to be different by building tall, he saw that as the answer to getting people to his casino, many others see massiveness as the answer or malls or roadside attractions etc. there is no guarantee that whoever does build there (if someone does build there) that it will be tall, after all the site that was proposed for ivana las vegas (just up the road from crown) got permission to go up to 950ft, the people that ended up buying that are the same people who build walgreens stores, i can't see a 900ft walgreens happening anytime soon :(

I would be willing to bet the we don't hear anything until the FB is complete and no longer has a use (construction trailers wise) for the corwn lot before we hear what will actuall happen there... It is a wonderful location, and now that they have a 1,000ft+ limit approved on that land, anything is possible.
Also, don't forget that MGM owns the land across the strip... Meaning something big will eventually happen with the crown location!!! :banana:

[CHAPINM1]

Last I heard the WJC was to "start" (ie prepwork/groundwork) in the Fall of 08... ??? We will see. I hope so, because it should/will become the jewel of downtown if it is ever actually complete.


Not only the jewel of downtown, but the jewel of Las Vegas. This building will not only be a pioneer in height for Las Vegas if you exclude the Stratosphere, but also a pioneer for the fact that it will be the first building in Las Vegas at that proportion to not be gaming or tourist related.

[mdiederi]

WJC was pushed back another year a couple months ago.

[heyyoucharlie]

100% agreed!!! I would also like to see what ends up happening with the N/W corner of Charleston/Grand Central where the Sandhursh was cancelled... If the "Grand Central" (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/grandcentralhhotel.htm) gets built it could match the WJC at 61 stories!!!

[CHAPINM1]

100% agreed!!! I would also like to see what ends up happening with the N/W corner of Charleston/Grand Central where the Sandhursh was cancelled... If the "Grand Central" (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/grandcentralhhotel.htm) gets built it could match the WJC at 61 stories!!!

The Grand Centeral may be 61 floors, but what will it's height be? Hopefully it will be at least 800 feet like the WJC.

[CHAPINM1]

WJC was pushed back another year a couple months ago.

Good to hear something about it, I'd rather hear that as opposed to anything worse. I know the developers as well as the city are serious about this project so I'm not worried.

[jazfingr]

The grand Central will use the usual 10' per floor - hotel standard. So, it will be about 640 feet (taller floors for the podium)

The WJC has several tall floors (fat podium) which is why it is to be 800'+

[Red UM Rebel]

CityCenter:

There was a great segment on CityCenter on NPR yesterday. Here is a LINK (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90231921) to the segment!

[CHAPINM1]

The grand Central will use the usual 10' per floor - hotel standard. So, it will be about 640 feet (taller floors for the podium)

I know office towers are usually taller, but each building can always vary. There are several office buildings out there with varying heights between floors and various hotels out there with varying heights between floors. I guess I was just keeping my fingers crossed that they may be taller than what were used to seeing for hotel heights.

On a side note, despite the fact that hotels usually do have lower floors, with Project Citycenter, something doesn't fly with me. There HAVE to be some missing floors with the main tower and Vedara. 600 feet for 60 floors and 554 feet for 57 floors, that's exactly 10 feet or less which is absurd. There have to be some missing floors somewhere.

Then again with Project Citycenter, the facts and figures have not been very accurate, for a couple of different projects within that development, the floor count and heights have changed a few times to say the least.

[jazfingr]

:previous:

Well. the 13th floor is always missing.

[CHAPINM1]

:previous:

Well. the 13th floor is always missing.

That does help. I know there may be some floors with 4's missing as well.

Regarding the view from the Stratosphere, even once Fountainebleau will be finished it seems that we'll still be able to see the south end of the strip. With the angle looking toward the south, Fountainebleau will not quite be high enough let alone both the Wynn towers to block any views. Anyway, I guess we'll have to see once it's all done but I know that Fountainebleau is almost 2/3 the way up seeing that they are working on the 40th floor.

[RandalR]

That does help. I know there may be some floors with 4's missing as well.

Regarding the view from the Stratosphere, even once Fountainebleau will be finished it seems that we'll still be able to see the south end of the strip. With the angle looking toward the south, Fountainebleau will not quite be high enough let alone both the Wynn towers to block any views. Anyway, I guess we'll have to see once it's all done but I know that Fountainebleau is almost 2/3 the way up seeing that they are working on the 40th floor.

Maybe it will. I heard that Fontainebleau is being built with the structural strength to take it up to 1,030 feet, if the developers decide it's economically feasible to do that and petition Clark County for yet another variance. They've gotten everything they wanted from the county so far, so we'll see... :shrug:

[CHAPINM1]

Maybe it will. I heard that Fontainebleau is being built with the structural strength to take it up to 1,030 feet, if the developers decide it's economically feasible to do that and petition Clark County for yet another variance. They've gotten everything they wanted from the county so far, so we'll see... :shrug:

That may be kinda bad news for the Stratosphere viewers yet not really, people will be able to get great views from the city view and also that's great news in general! So they're building Fountainebleau so it can be vertically expanded in the future? I never knew that and if so that would make perfect sense, seeing how Crown Las Vegas got approval up to 1,064 feet, I don't see why Fountainebleau wouldn't be expanding upward in the future or if not by suprise now. :cool:

[lfc4life]

this shot is taken about one month ago, Fontainebleau looks to be close to 450ft comparing it with Sky and Turnberry.

what is for certain is that Fontainebleau does/will block out the Riveria. However even at 735ft tall it won't block out anything more other than part of encore and maybe Ballys

Planet Hollywood towers are going to block out Mandalay Bay it seems :(

http://i28.tinypic.com/5u4lr6.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37528321@N00/2449961254

[jazfingr]

...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

[CHAPINM1]

I seriously hope the Hilton Grand Vacations gets a recladding in the near future even though it was only completed in 2004. If I were a resident of Sky I'd feel even stronger!

[jazfingr]

:previous:
I seriously doubt we'll see that.

[StatenIslander237]

this shot is taken about one month ago, Fontainebleau looks to be close to 450ft comparing it with Sky and Turnberry.

http://i28.tinypic.com/5u4lr6.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37528321@N00/2449961254

It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future. :rolleyes:

[heyyoucharlie]

It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling whatever MGM does with the S/W corner is going to define the North Strip!!! I can wait to see what they come up with...:tup:

[lfc4life]

...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

forgot completely about echelon and of course if plaza is built it will block out even more

It's probably going to be pretty sick to look down on the corner of LV Boulevard and Sahara once it's all redeveloped....20 years in the future.

lets all hope it doesn't take that long :( that site has been empty for far too long, especially given its historic importance to the strip, at least its more filled in than say 13 years ago

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuseeger/240085812/

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[Silas]

That 24-story garage should get some sort of blooper award or be in some sort of textbook about how bad a developer can screw people who bought his condos.

Man, how can Soffer be proud of that legacy? I don't care how much money there is in the world, you can't buy dignity and respect at the most fundamental level. Where is the self-respect?

[CosmoVegas]

Cosmopolitan news:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121029701281679533.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=64220498500645

Good news, both articles say In recent weeks, Related Cos. and Deutsche bank are still talking, I was begining to wonder. BTW, does anyone know if the bronze glass on the Cosmo is a protective film or the real glass color? Anyone have more pics of the Cosmo's glass?

[Silas]

I read an article about Oscar De La Hoya signing a big boxing contract with AEG. Supposedly AEG is still on track with Harrah's (that's Caesars to us) to build the arena behind Bally's.

Any word from the insiders on this project?

[rhassoii]

That 24-story garage should get some sort of blooper award or be in some sort of textbook about how bad a developer can screw people who bought his condos.

Man, how can Soffer be proud of that legacy? I don't care how much money there is in the world, you can't buy dignity and respect at the most fundamental level. Where is the self-respect?

Frankly I don't think he cares. He figures he already made his money off the condos so now he can screw everyone. I bought on the 20th floor based on the plans and now have a 20th floor garage view.

The worst part is Soffer came to a meeting with all the Residents and gave us his word that the garage would not go above 175ft. The next morning they filed their application with the county to go to 230ft.

[rhassoii]

Article about the Riviera and its previous buyout offers:

http://www.lvrj.com/business/18796049.html

There were several offers to buy Riveria Holdings Corp. last year, but no one ever came forward with any cash to back up their bid, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer William Westerman said Thursday during a conference call announcing the company's first-quarter earnings.

Still, the company would "entertain and give serious consideration to any legitimate offer," he said. "Anyone we would get that would have a likelihood of success we would take to our shareholders."

[Silas]

My condolences (no pun intended) to you, sir.

I know what you mean. A number of years ago I worked at a small biotech company. Although I was contract, most people I worked with were heavily vested in the company. The CEO had the nerve (and lack of any dignity) to tell the entire company straight to their faces that everything was cool for FDA submission. The next week the company got bitch-slapped so hard by the FDA that the stock dropped from $10 to $2. Stock was halted that day and company shut down 60 days later. Of course the CEO dude got a huge payoff when the company was sold off for peanuts.

It is easy for most scum like this to disappear forever behind their gated communites and pretend they are upstanding people. But for someone like Soffer to give his previous condo-buyers the finger in such a way is not only scummy but stupid, IMO. The physical structure of the F-blue will always tell me that Soffer is an a scum-sucker at the most basic level. To not even understand that he is building a monument that testifies to this, shows his lack of intelligence as well as his lack of class.

[CHAPINM1]

Just making sure, but isn't the only thing in between the Fountainebleau parking ramp and Turnberry Place a street?

[RandalR]

Just making sure, but isn't the only thing in between the Fountainebleau parking ramp and Turnberry Place a street?

Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

I bought in Tower Four back in 2004 (pre-construction) to avoid whatever got put there. I'm on the 20th floor also. I can still see a little of the Spring Mountains over the top of the garage, but my main view is the other way, toward the Hilton. The design seems dumb to me - the garage should have been on the north edge of the property and the tower on the south, leaving the center of the property open the way Turnberry's Stirling Club area is. Even a hundred foot tall podium in that area wouldn't have been so bad.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

[Patrick]

...and Echelon will block most of 'Rump and Ti, and all of Mirage.

Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

[lfc4life]

Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

yes it is but remember that "classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip" has only been available to people since April 1996; what that view will look like in May 2020 is anyone's guess

[CHAPINM1]

Ah Its sad to see all these fatass buildings on the North Strip block out the classical view of the Southern Las Vegas Strip.

Quite the opposite, cities grow and things change and this only proves it! It's great to see all these new taller fatass buildings being built! Echelon, Fountainebleau, and Wynn are just a few of several new additions that are and will be spectacular additions to the Las Vegas skyline! It will make my visits to the Stratosphere that much more interesting! :cool:

[CHAPINM1]

Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

I bought in Tower Four back in 2004 (pre-construction) to avoid whatever got put there. I'm on the 20th floor also. I can still see a little of the Spring Mountains over the top of the garage, but my main view is the other way, toward the Hilton. The design seems dumb to me - the garage should have been on the north edge of the property and the tower on the south, leaving the center of the property open the way Turnberry's Stirling Club area is. Even a hundred foot tall podium in that area wouldn't have been so bad.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

Here is a VERY positive thought that reciently came to mind. It may sound kinda weird, but even though your view is for the most part obstructed by a huge parking ramp, it will be worth it since you are in the location that you are! I see Las Vegas as the NYC of the west. Your location will only increase in value as time goes on, I see where you are as the Midtown Manhattan of Las Vegas. When people 20 years from now in Las Vegas will be buying, the views will probably be not their primary concern, but rather the location. As comparing Las Vegas to NYC in another aspect, there will be canyons of skyscrapers!

On a side note, wouldn't a 24 floor parking ramp be the tallest parking ramp in the world up to this point? I have never seen a parking ramp that has that many floors.

[RandalR]

Here is a VERY positive thought that reciently came to mind. It may sound kinda weird, but even though your view is for the most part obstructed by a huge parking ramp, it will be worth it since you are in the location that you are! I see Las Vegas as the NYC of the west. Your location will only increase in value as time goes on, I see where you are as the Midtown Manhattan of Las Vegas. When people 20 years from now in Las Vegas will be buying, the views will probably be not their primary concern, but rather the location. As comparing Las Vegas to NYC in another aspect, there will be canyons of skyscrapers!

On a side note, wouldn't a 24 floor parking ramp be the tallest parking ramp in the world up to this point? I have never seen a parking ramp that has that many floors.

Oh, I'm not worried at all - Turnberry Place is even now the best complex of its kind in the Western US, IMHO. Once all the work around us is finished, it will be just as you say.

There are actually only six levels of parking - more than half of the height is convention space. That's what touched off the fight - they took the originally planned 70-foot-high parking garage and added the huge convention center on top as an afterthought.

[ScottG]

^^^^ its a shame that right when you enter the gates of turnberry place, there is a huge rear end of a hotel greeting you.


here are some photos i got today:


looks like the golden nugget is re cladding their towers .. (also the new tower is about to get a crane)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3126/image047fo6.jpg


back side of FB
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5435/image051zi5.jpg


across the street is the sales center - they ditched the swiss cheese look about went for the FB logo - thats all there is on the street side - this flat wall with 'FB's repeated all over it

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6791/image052fy1.jpg


front of encore - with the main porte cochere - looks like there will be a HUGE atrium immidiatly within the vestibule

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6643/image056hx3.jpg

venetian condos thats not a stone podium - its just a cloth / net hidden the bare bones construction

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8640/image057ce1.jpg

the harmon (i missed cosmo - but its getting TALL - im liking the blue/black glass on it) im curious to see the 'sky - clouds' glass the harmon will get

notice the HUGE air vents in the front of the harmon

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4175/image062ld8.jpg

here is planet hollywood tower and mandarin hotel....PH is tall....

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6314/image068jr7.jpg

and latestly here is the monte carlo reborn - youd never know the ugly scars hidden behind this makeup

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6889/image069hz9.jpg

[CHAPINM1]

Oh, I'm not worried at all - Turnberry Place is even now the best complex of its kind in the Western US, IMHO. Once all the work around us is finished, it will be just as you say.

There are actually only six levels of parking - more than half of the height is convention space. That's what touched off the fight - they took the originally planned 70-foot-high parking garage and added the huge convention center on top as an afterthought.

I never knew most of that was convention space. That makes a lot more sense, thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)

[ScottG]

did anyone find out what is being constructed behind the riv[iera]

there is a crane making a parking garage directly behind the current riv garage - a tower atop a garage? a replacement garage for riv? they dont need another garage - whats goin on here?

maybe they are mayking room to move the cars into the new garage so they can take down the old one and make a new tower???

[jazfingr]

:previous:

That's the Marriott Springhill Suites. It is to be a 22-story hotel. No renderings yet, but it's been on THE Map (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/condomap.htm) for two months now.
"use the source, Scott" :D

[StatenIslander237]

ignore.

[ScottG]

"use the source, Scott" :D

hahaha - i should have known!

[VegasMatt]

Here is an overview of the ride supposedly going into the Tropicana.

http://www.screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2008_0509_TropAir21.jpg

[mttbox]

any news on the plaza?

[Vtown420]

How tall is the new Golden Nugget tower going to be?

I posted a whole bunch of pics in city photos. They're about a month old. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=151003

[RandalR]

any news on the plaza?

Postponed indefinitely until the credit markets improve. Nobody is willing to lend billions right now.

They might as well have left the New Frontier up for a couple years - better than a dusty vacant lot (though maybe not much...) ;)

[CHAPINM1]

Postponed indefinitely until the credit markets improve. Nobody is willing to lend billions right now.

They might as well have left the New Frontier up for a couple years - better than a dusty vacant lot (though maybe not much...) ;)

Or hopefully something better will come along and get built. It definetly wouldn't be the first time we've seen a project in Las Vegas get cancelled. :rolleyes:

On a random note, where was the W Hotel and Residences that got cancelled a while back originally supposed to be located?

[Sperman 508]

on harmon, somewhere between p-ho towers and hard rock i thought...

[jazfingr]

:previous:

You can see the location and all the news on VTaT here (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/whotel.htm)

"use the Source CHAPINM" :D

[Sperman 508]

im addicted to the source... im always on vt&t... i love it... hahaha...

[CHAPINM1]

im addicted to the source... im always on vt&t... i love it... hahaha...

I agree, I forget how to navagate on there from time to time. Between this forum and VT&T I am on both very frequently, but in the meantime if anyone can provide updates of Fountinebleau us much as possible that would awesome! I know there are lots up updates, but that particular project I can't get enough of. What is the current floor that is being worked on at this point with that project?

[Kirre]

Anyone able to get a shot of the pool area at the Planet Hollywood Towers? They moved the webcam up a few weeks ago to show the upper floors of tower 1 so you can't see that area. The last I saw the supporting structure for the pool was coming along nicely. Thanks.

[jazfingr]

Anyone able to get a shot of the pool area at the Planet Hollywood Towers? They moved the webcam up a few weeks ago to show the upper floors of tower 1 so you can't see that area. The last I saw the supporting structure for the pool was coming along nicely. Thanks.

What are they doing to the pool area??

[Tlwarnke]

I believe he is meaning the new pool area of the towers not the hotel pool area. The last I saw on the webcam was an outline of the pool.

Terry

[RandalR]

Or hopefully something better will come along and get built. It definetly wouldn't be the first time we've seen a project in Las Vegas get cancelled. :rolleyes:

I hope so. The Plaza renderings are about the ugliest thing I've seen proposed in Las Vegas since the Titanic Hotel. :haha: Some kind of glass tower that visually ties Trump and Wynn together would be a lot more appropriate.

[ScottG]

i LOVE the new vintage vegas construction segment on VTAT - amazing photos


what the f is up with thtat rop water ride? is this wet n wild? that is a large project for a ......ride?!

who goes on rides now a days in vegas - especially at the trop

(DONT bash me - i know theres roller coasters etc, but they are not extrememly busy any more these days)

[CHAPINM1]

I hope so. The Plaza renderings are about the ugliest thing I've seen proposed in Las Vegas since the Titanic Hotel. :haha: Some kind of glass tower that visually ties Trump and Wynn together would be a lot more appropriate.

I couldn't agree more! ;)

[rhassoii]

The RJ is reporting that Vdara will top off today.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/18924644.html

[case_architect]

quick photo update from yesterday.

cosmo beach tower

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9291/cosmobeachtowerzb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

the harmon

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9748/harmonxz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

m resort climbing along

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/958/mresortom7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[rhassoii]

Underground driveway and truck loading dock. It's only 93 feet from the Tower One and Tower Three balconies to the open garage - and for those on the lower floors, all the exhaust fumes.

They've promised to give us a crash gate for emergency egress from Turnberry somewhere on that side, since the only way out right now is the Paradise Road entrance and it's something of a safety hazard if there is a traffic jam when a medical emergency happens. I'm not sure where they plan to put it except right in the front of the picture above - a ramp down from the Tower Three valet parking area to the new road at Fontainebleau's entrance - maybe rhassoii knows more than I do. Hopefully there will be pedestrian access to Fontainebleau at that point, also - it's going to really annoy me if I have to go out Turnberry's front gate and walk all the way around the block to get there. :rolleyes:

If they make the tower 1,000 feet tall, put a high quality view ultralounge (like MIX used to be) up there, and give all Turnberry Place residents VIP access to it, I might be a little less annoyed. It's one way to mitigate the property value damage from the garage, and they've been suggesting they will do things like that for us. However Soffer's suggestions, as we've seen, don't always pan out.

From what I understand they will not be giving Turnberry Residents VIP status like they promised and they will not have a way for residents to walk over without going out the main entrance and walking all the way around. They have cited safety concerns that hotel guests will try to enter Turnberry. The crash gate is suppose to be connected to Tower 1's valet parking lot area. It is pretty ridiculous that in a place of this size there is only one entry and exit in case of emergency. I think that more than any other factor shows the complete lack of care of Turnberry Associates.

[RandalR]

From what I understand they will not be giving Turnberry Residents VIP status like they promised and they will not have a way for residents to walk over without going out the main entrance and walking all the way around. They have cited safety concerns that hotel guests will try to enter Turnberry. The crash gate is suppose to be connected to Tower 1's valet parking lot area. It is pretty ridiculous that in a place of this size there is only one entry and exit in case of emergency. I think that more than any other factor shows the complete lack of care of Turnberry Associates.

The idea about hotel guests entering Turnberry is a lame excuse - it would take only a door secured with our existing electronic keys and one $10/hour Fontainebleau security guard to sit there and watch to completely prevent that from ever happening. We already have more "unauthorized visitors" at the Stirling Club on any given night than we would get through a Fontainebleau walkway. As for the VIP status, the lawsuits and acrimonious atmosphere that have developed between the residents and Jeffrey Soffer probably ended any chance of that.

Maybe whoever eventually builds out the Crown site will be more agreeable. :shrug:

[justdefended]

And the name for CityCenter's hotel casino resort is...

Aria.

Pronounced (ah-ree-ah). Italian for 'air'. Also, a song for a solo voice with instrumental accompaniment in an opera.

I like it.

And something tells me down the road when they hear that name it's going to be synonymous with top luxury Vegas resort, much like Bellagio is today.

[jazfingr]

:previous:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!:yuck:

I just confirmed this with the Sales Office.

They should have left it alone, as CityCenter Resort and Casino. Aria sounds too Froufrou (fancy) It makes me think of Bellagio, flowery, decorated, opera - not cool, sophisticated, modern. Oh well, what is, is, what is.

Off to the presses

[justdefended]

:previous:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!:yuck:

I just confirmed this with the Sales Office.

They should have left is alone, as CityCenter Resort and Casino. Aria sounds too Froufrou (fancy) It makes me think of Bellagio, flowery, decorated, opera - not cool, sophisticated, modern. Oh well, what is, is, what is.

Off to the presses

Haha. I think it has to sound a little pretentious when it's a new 5 star in a $9 billion project. Maybe they'll do a 'Aria at CityCenter' to keep the CityCenter brand in play.

[CHAPINM1]

Just skimmed through the Echelon website again, I'm loving that project! Between Echelon and Fountainebleau I am more than excited fot the city of Las Vegas. If you look on the Fountainebleau website, somewhere in the 16 page brouchure you can see yet another rendering of it while looking north. I think it's on page 9 or 10. That rendering shows almost the entire current strip as well and it is a rendering that has not yet been posted here.

[jazfingr]

:previous: That rendering shows almost the entire current strip as well and it is a rendering that has not yet been posted here.


Not very current if you really look at it. No Palazzo, Trump, Encore - hell, the Stardust is still there...lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2497300107_5b40f565b0_o.jpg

[jazfingr]

Haha. I think it has to sound a little pretentious when it's a new 5 star in a $9 billion project. Maybe they'll do a 'Aria at CityCenter' to keep the CityCenter brand in play.


Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

[CHAPINM1]

:previous:


Not very current if you really look at it. No Palazzo, Trump, Encore - hell, the Stardust is still there...lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2497300107_5b40f565b0_o.jpg

Throw all the missing buildings in there and it will be spactacular! I love all the renderings for this project, but this one in particular is very catching!

[CHAPINM1]

Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

I agree, it is one horseshit name... lol

[BuildemBig]

I agree that Aria is lame and also completely unoriginal - it's a blatant rip off of Steve Wynn and Encore (another operatic term...)

[justdefended]

Nope, it's Aria Resort and Casino

This is not a brilliant marketing strategy IMO

- Thousands of people already know it as CityCenter Resort.
- How many folks will try to Google it and misspell Auria, Airia, Areola...etc.
- So far, everyone I've talked to, hates the name.
- You can stay at Aria, I'll be at CityCenter
- It dosen't need to sound pretentious. Why do they need to pretend when it is real.?
:D

The CityCenter brand won't be going anywhere. In the U.S. Trademark database it's covered from hotel services to t-shirts. CityCenter will always be the name of the project as a whole.

A name, usually a newly introduced one, is easy to denounce because as of yet, it has no context. When the hotel is finished, when the marketing is done, everyone will know about it in relation to a top new hotel on the strip.

I remember this happened when Nintendo said their new video game console would be called "Wii". People from 5 to 95 know how to spell and say that now. :)

[CHAPINM1]

What was added to Project City Center to give it an extra $800,000,000 rising the pricetag from $8.4 billion to $9.2 billion?

[justdefended]

What was added to Project City Center to give it an extra $800,000,000 rising the pricetag from $8.4 billion to $9.2 billion?

According to the Casino City Times MGM Mirage cites rising construction costs.

http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?contentID=173079

On another note, Vdara is scheduled to open in Aug. 2009 while Aria has a scheduled opening date of Dec. 16, a slight change from the previous simultaneous Nov. 2009 date.

[cosmo2k8]

Aria... Ah that may explain why it took so long for them to decide on the name.

I'm speculating that MGM wanted an exotic word but it had to describe the structure in a sense (air) and had to start with the letter 'A' so if you abbreviate the name you get the A.R.C. since Pelli's tower are like arcs or two half intersecting arcs for that matter.

"(arc) (ahrk) [arcus] 1. a structure or projected path having a curved or bowlike outline."

The ABC's of Vegas:

Aria
Bellagio
Cosmopolitan

Cheers!

:tup:

[hotdog]

Aria is an OK name, but certainly you need to call that building something different than CityCenter to avoid confusion among future guests. Without a name change, a guest looking for the Mandarin Oriental at CityCenter might mistakenly enter the main CityCenter Resort building, or guests staying at the CityCenter Resort might think that they are already at their destination as soon as they enter the CityCenter complex, and then try to enter the wrong building. This confusion probably won't affect people arriving by taxi, since the driver will ask the relevant question, but will affect people who drive. And in terms of pretentiousness, claiming to be the center of the city is a greater exaggeration of importance than an Italian name.

[neworleans]

it's not like someone can't direct them where to go... and im sure the roads will have signs above them directing them as well... "mandarin parking this lane" The fact that it had the design and feel of a downtown was why i though they called it the citycenter... as well as the fact that it is the largest project in vegas. You can call it what you want, but im sticking w/ CityCenter

[The_Analyst]

Aria is a great name for a stripper, though. Imagine next year a few "Aria's" showing up in the clubs. A lot better than a dancer named Bellagio or MGM Grand, anyway.

[justdefended]

Vegas Tripping says that MGM Mirage recently registered AriaLV.com. However, there's an interesting backstory about how the name was tossed due to trademark problems and then reinstated.

http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=2064

Also, Vdara.com now belongs to MGM Mirage. It used to forward to a Japan-based website.

I'm pretty sure they can wrestle Aria.com from Washington Mutual. For some reason it forwards to some credit card payment site.

[CHAPINM1]

Fountainebleau should be well past Sky from right across the street by now. Also, if anybody could get some shots of the reciently topped Vdara that would be awesome!

[Sperman 508]

wasnt the sahara buildin a new tower? any news on that project?

[justdefended]

The official ARIA press release:

CityCenter has revealed that its stunning resort casino, scheduled to open in late 2009, will be named ARIA. With an unprecedented combination of striking architecture, sustainable design, high-end service and spectacular amenities, ARIA Resort & Casino will immediately become the focal point not only of the Las Vegas skyline but of the hospitality industry.

"ARIA will be demonstrably different than any resort that has preceded it," said Bill McBeath, the resort's president and COO. "Even in a city such as Las Vegas, with its extraordinary history of dynamic cutting-edge development, ARIA will introduce a new generation of resort experiences."

Designed by the world-renowned firm Pelli Clarke Pelli, ARIA's architectural expression will reveal itself at every turn, from its two breathtaking curvilinear glass towers to the clean use of natural elements including lush foliage, wood and stone. Soaring open spaces, ranging from ARIA's three-story lobby and casino to its guest rooms, will fill with natural light and evoke breadth and freedom. Art and interior design will envelop guests in warm, comforting surroundings and provide a sense of human scale.

Impeccable hospitality and creative personalized attention will join with an incredible array of amenities to provide each guest an unmatched journey through ARIA. The resort casino will feature a variety of dining experiences, from the casual comfort of bistros and cafes to culinary masterpieces from world-renowned chefs and restaurateurs. Guests also will enjoy ARIA's dynamic collection of lounges, bars and nightclubs. For a day of relaxation, ARIA's luxurious spa will offer a complete menu of skincare, massage and hydrotherapy treatments to be enjoyed in its 62 individual treatment rooms or three spa suites, designed to accommodate couples' treatments, bachelorette parties or small group events. Guests also may savor a quiet moment on the spa's co-ed balcony overlooking the resort's beautiful pool. The spa will be complemented by the resort's full-service salon, barbershop, deluxe fitness room and group exercise studio.

ARIA will form the core of CityCenter, a more than $8 billion dazzling vertical city underway between Bellagio and Monte Carlo resorts on the Las Vegas Strip. CityCenter also will feature three luxurious non-gaming hotels, Las Vegas' first Mandarin Oriental, The Harmon Hotel, Spa & Residences and Vdara Condo Hotel; Veer Towers, the development's only strictly residential buildings; and The Crystals, a 500,000-square-foot retail and entertainment district. CityCenter is a joint venture between MGM MIRAGE (NYSE: MGM) and Dubai World.

A GLIMPSE INTO ARIA

Accommodations

The contemporary architecture of the ARIA tower will be complemented by the resort's lavish accommodations. ARIA's 4,004 guest rooms, including 568 suites, will incorporate integrated technologies never before used in the hospitality industry. Guest room corridors streaming with natural light will open to areas of enclosed glass, delivering spectacular city or mountain views. Guests also can enjoy these breathtaking panoramas from the privacy of their rooms; all will feature expansive floor-to-ceiling windows. ARIA's modern tower is uniquely designed to deliver corner-window views from every guest room.

ARIA's rooms and suites will imbue a melodic composition of dramatic color tones, expressive artwork and a lyrical balance of textures and materials that convey calm and elegance. Each room will be complemented by dark woods, impeccable décor and sumptuous amenities.

Entertainment

As the entertainment centerpiece of ARIA, the visionary team at Cirque du Soleil has partnered with CKX, Inc. and its subsidiary Elvis Presley Enterprises to create a permanent production celebrating the timeless musical legacy of Elvis Presley. The show will bring Elvis back to Las Vegas for millions of his existing fans and create a buzz that will enable the persona of Elvis to attract untold numbers of new followers. The creative combination of live musicians and singers, projections, dance and the latest in multimedia sound and lighting technology will aim to create an emotional bond with the audience.

Meetings & Convention Facilities

ARIA will provide a premium meeting experience with a unique blend of modern architecture, distinctive décor, and 300,000 square feet of technologically advanced meeting and convention space. Four ballrooms will offer the flexibility to accommodate gatherings of all sizes from 10 to 5,000 attendees, and three will feature fully functioning theatrical stages.

The facility will encompass three levels and deliver a total of 38 meeting rooms ranging from 800 to 2,000 square feet. The north façade will feature a spectacular glass curtain wall that overlooks ARIA's beautiful pool providing a lush, landscaped backdrop and the warmth of natural light.

Fine Art

Throughout CityCenter's grounds, visitors will enjoy access to an extensive $40 million public Fine Art Program encompassing a multitude of styles and media -- ranging from sculptures and paintings to large-scale installations -- engaging visitors on both a visual and intellectual level. The CityCenter Fine Art Program is designed to become a benchmark for enlightened corporate involvement with the arts on a global level and will be one of the world's largest and most ambitious corporate art programs.

One of the program's highlights will be featured within ARIA's reception area. Famed artist Maya Lin is creating an approximately 133-foot silver cast of the Colorado River, which will be her first work of art displayed in Las Vegas. Lin is incorporating reclaimed silver in the spirit of CityCenter's commitment to sustainability and in light of Nevada's standing as the "Silver State."

The work of Jenny Holzer will be on display as guests approach the resort's north valet, where they will be welcomed by one of the artist's insightful LED signs spanning more than 250 feet.

Additional artists represented in the Fine Art Program will include Nancy Rubins, Claes Oldenburg and Coosje van Bruggen, Frank Stella, Henry Moore and Richard Long, among others.

Retail at CityCenter

Just outside ARIA's lobby doors, The Crystals, CityCenter's retail and entertainment district, will house more than 500,000 square feet of sophisticated retail and deliver exclusive offerings from the world's most celebrated brands.

Sustainability at CityCenter

Currently, CityCenter is the largest privately financed development in the history of North America. Charting a new course for responsible growth in Las Vegas, CityCenter is pursuing the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) certification. As planned, the 18-million-square foot, multi-use project will become one of the world's largest environmentally sustainable urban communities.

The resort casino's design incorporates sustainable features including the extensive use of natural light, dramatically reducing lighting power requirements in guest rooms and water-saving fixtures throughout.

[Silas]

"ARIA's 4,004 guest rooms, including 568 suites, will incorporate ...... "

That's interesting to me. Why 4,004 rooms? That is not a coincidence. I would have thought that 4,004 is the worst number for the Chinese gamblers who (supposedly) completely freak out at the number 4. (This must make life very bizarre as 4 is such a common number, I never really did get that).

Is 4004 a sign to stay away (and stay at Bellagio or MGM Grand ?) --- or is 4004 even better in China because it adds up to 8 and therefore is somehow the best number ??

I don't really know the answer to this. It seems like a silly issue but I know that it is not a coincidence and that there is serious money riding on this decision. Anyone have the ancient Chinese secret on this? Or is MGM-Mirage actually that clueless ???

[ondarox]

In some chinese dialects, the number "4" sounds similar to how the word "death" or "die" is pronounced. Therefore it is a very unlucky number for those who are superstitious.

BTW- Fourteen is an even worse number. Allegedly it sounds close to, "for sure you will die..."

Eights are known to be very lucky numbers. Hence when you go to Macau or anyother casino in China most of the lucky 7's on the slot machines are replaced with their lucky 8's.

(This information was given to me by my Mother when I was researching address numbers for a condo in Southern California- the more 4's in an address the worse- the more 8's the better!)

Hope it helps. Thanks everyone for your contributions to these pages, everyone has so much to offer and it is appreciated! I'm glad I can finally contribute.

[justdefended]

Hmm...if Asian high-rollers did stay at Aria then they would most likely be staying in a suite of which there are 568 units.

But then again, if they're whales they probably already purchased a residential unit at CityCenter and they can hand-pick a unit with the best number combination.

[Silas]

yeah but this does not explain why MGM is telling people that Aria will have 4,004 rooms. We know that the numbers in press releases are not necessarily reality. For example, Hooters said that there were 711 rooms when that was not the real count.

MGM would not have designed Aria with 4,004 rooms - or if somehow they blew it and did, then they could put out 4,005 or 4,000 or 4,003 .. whatever. To put out 4,004 rooms seems like a calculation to me.

Seriously, they may be wanting to push Chinese players to MGM Grand (they have one in Macau now) or .............. ????

[justdefended]

They most likely stated Aria will have 4,004 rooms because...it'll have 4,004 rooms.

The Mirage has a declared 3,044 rooms but that didn't stop it from luring all of Caesars Palace's Asian clientele in the early 1990's.

[bils]

Being an Asian myself, I can attest to the fact that we don't like the number 4, but to say that we completely 'freak out' at the number 4 is not true. Being superstitious by culture, we would probably like to avoid staying on the 44th floor of a hotel, but to suggest that Asians would research the number of rooms at Aria and stay away, just simply isn't likely.

[philip]

I think I will sum it up:

Asians are superstitious about the number 4, not the quantity 4.

For example, many Asians in Los Angeles live in 4-bedroom houses, and that doesn't raise any superstition. However, Asians don't like to have an address with the number 4.

I can have 4 cell phones and that's not a problem, but I don't want to have a phone number that has too many 4's.

4 cars? GREAT! a license plate that reads FRC4444, Not for me !

So to answer your question: No, Asian don't care if you have 4 rooms or 4004 rooms.

[solediavolo]

I like keeping track of Vegas development simply because I like to spend vacations there, fairly often. And although I don't think I've ever posted here, I've paid a decent amount of attention to this board for that simple reason.

So I've got to say, when I noticed the poster mdiederi said he was changing jobs that would keep him away from the strip as often, I didn't envision when the face of this board would change so much. There's been some great photos posted from time to time here, and I appreciate all of them in keeping track of development, but oh man is that Mark guy's presence noticeable in absence.

Somebody get him a job on the strip, please.

[Silas]

Those are great answers, Thanks for the info.

[DowntownGymRat]

Has the tallest tower at City Center topped out yet? I know there's wings that have. And how about Panorama 3?