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CHAPINM1
May 19, 2008, 5:12 AM
Fountainebleau should be well past Sky from right across the street by now. Also, if anybody could get some shots of the reciently topped Vdara that would be awesome!

Sperman 508
May 19, 2008, 4:21 PM
wasnt the sahara buildin a new tower? any news on that project?

justdefended
May 19, 2008, 4:23 PM
The official ARIA press release:

CityCenter has revealed that its stunning resort casino, scheduled to open in late 2009, will be named ARIA. With an unprecedented combination of striking architecture, sustainable design, high-end service and spectacular amenities, ARIA Resort & Casino will immediately become the focal point not only of the Las Vegas skyline but of the hospitality industry.

"ARIA will be demonstrably different than any resort that has preceded it," said Bill McBeath, the resort's president and COO. "Even in a city such as Las Vegas, with its extraordinary history of dynamic cutting-edge development, ARIA will introduce a new generation of resort experiences."

Designed by the world-renowned firm Pelli Clarke Pelli, ARIA's architectural expression will reveal itself at every turn, from its two breathtaking curvilinear glass towers to the clean use of natural elements including lush foliage, wood and stone. Soaring open spaces, ranging from ARIA's three-story lobby and casino to its guest rooms, will fill with natural light and evoke breadth and freedom. Art and interior design will envelop guests in warm, comforting surroundings and provide a sense of human scale.

Impeccable hospitality and creative personalized attention will join with an incredible array of amenities to provide each guest an unmatched journey through ARIA. The resort casino will feature a variety of dining experiences, from the casual comfort of bistros and cafes to culinary masterpieces from world-renowned chefs and restaurateurs. Guests also will enjoy ARIA's dynamic collection of lounges, bars and nightclubs. For a day of relaxation, ARIA's luxurious spa will offer a complete menu of skincare, massage and hydrotherapy treatments to be enjoyed in its 62 individual treatment rooms or three spa suites, designed to accommodate couples' treatments, bachelorette parties or small group events. Guests also may savor a quiet moment on the spa's co-ed balcony overlooking the resort's beautiful pool. The spa will be complemented by the resort's full-service salon, barbershop, deluxe fitness room and group exercise studio.

ARIA will form the core of CityCenter, a more than $8 billion dazzling vertical city underway between Bellagio and Monte Carlo resorts on the Las Vegas Strip. CityCenter also will feature three luxurious non-gaming hotels, Las Vegas' first Mandarin Oriental, The Harmon Hotel, Spa & Residences and Vdara Condo Hotel; Veer Towers, the development's only strictly residential buildings; and The Crystals, a 500,000-square-foot retail and entertainment district. CityCenter is a joint venture between MGM MIRAGE (NYSE: MGM) and Dubai World.

A GLIMPSE INTO ARIA

Accommodations

The contemporary architecture of the ARIA tower will be complemented by the resort's lavish accommodations. ARIA's 4,004 guest rooms, including 568 suites, will incorporate integrated technologies never before used in the hospitality industry. Guest room corridors streaming with natural light will open to areas of enclosed glass, delivering spectacular city or mountain views. Guests also can enjoy these breathtaking panoramas from the privacy of their rooms; all will feature expansive floor-to-ceiling windows. ARIA's modern tower is uniquely designed to deliver corner-window views from every guest room.

ARIA's rooms and suites will imbue a melodic composition of dramatic color tones, expressive artwork and a lyrical balance of textures and materials that convey calm and elegance. Each room will be complemented by dark woods, impeccable décor and sumptuous amenities.

Entertainment

As the entertainment centerpiece of ARIA, the visionary team at Cirque du Soleil has partnered with CKX, Inc. and its subsidiary Elvis Presley Enterprises to create a permanent production celebrating the timeless musical legacy of Elvis Presley. The show will bring Elvis back to Las Vegas for millions of his existing fans and create a buzz that will enable the persona of Elvis to attract untold numbers of new followers. The creative combination of live musicians and singers, projections, dance and the latest in multimedia sound and lighting technology will aim to create an emotional bond with the audience.

Meetings & Convention Facilities

ARIA will provide a premium meeting experience with a unique blend of modern architecture, distinctive décor, and 300,000 square feet of technologically advanced meeting and convention space. Four ballrooms will offer the flexibility to accommodate gatherings of all sizes from 10 to 5,000 attendees, and three will feature fully functioning theatrical stages.

The facility will encompass three levels and deliver a total of 38 meeting rooms ranging from 800 to 2,000 square feet. The north façade will feature a spectacular glass curtain wall that overlooks ARIA's beautiful pool providing a lush, landscaped backdrop and the warmth of natural light.

Fine Art

Throughout CityCenter's grounds, visitors will enjoy access to an extensive $40 million public Fine Art Program encompassing a multitude of styles and media -- ranging from sculptures and paintings to large-scale installations -- engaging visitors on both a visual and intellectual level. The CityCenter Fine Art Program is designed to become a benchmark for enlightened corporate involvement with the arts on a global level and will be one of the world's largest and most ambitious corporate art programs.

One of the program's highlights will be featured within ARIA's reception area. Famed artist Maya Lin is creating an approximately 133-foot silver cast of the Colorado River, which will be her first work of art displayed in Las Vegas. Lin is incorporating reclaimed silver in the spirit of CityCenter's commitment to sustainability and in light of Nevada's standing as the "Silver State."

The work of Jenny Holzer will be on display as guests approach the resort's north valet, where they will be welcomed by one of the artist's insightful LED signs spanning more than 250 feet.

Additional artists represented in the Fine Art Program will include Nancy Rubins, Claes Oldenburg and Coosje van Bruggen, Frank Stella, Henry Moore and Richard Long, among others.

Retail at CityCenter

Just outside ARIA's lobby doors, The Crystals, CityCenter's retail and entertainment district, will house more than 500,000 square feet of sophisticated retail and deliver exclusive offerings from the world's most celebrated brands.

Sustainability at CityCenter

Currently, CityCenter is the largest privately financed development in the history of North America. Charting a new course for responsible growth in Las Vegas, CityCenter is pursuing the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) certification. As planned, the 18-million-square foot, multi-use project will become one of the world's largest environmentally sustainable urban communities.

The resort casino's design incorporates sustainable features including the extensive use of natural light, dramatically reducing lighting power requirements in guest rooms and water-saving fixtures throughout.

Silas
May 19, 2008, 4:40 PM
"ARIA's 4,004 guest rooms, including 568 suites, will incorporate ...... "

That's interesting to me. Why 4,004 rooms? That is not a coincidence. I would have thought that 4,004 is the worst number for the Chinese gamblers who (supposedly) completely freak out at the number 4. (This must make life very bizarre as 4 is such a common number, I never really did get that).

Is 4004 a sign to stay away (and stay at Bellagio or MGM Grand ?) --- or is 4004 even better in China because it adds up to 8 and therefore is somehow the best number ??

I don't really know the answer to this. It seems like a silly issue but I know that it is not a coincidence and that there is serious money riding on this decision. Anyone have the ancient Chinese secret on this? Or is MGM-Mirage actually that clueless ???

ondarox
May 19, 2008, 7:20 PM
In some chinese dialects, the number "4" sounds similar to how the word "death" or "die" is pronounced. Therefore it is a very unlucky number for those who are superstitious.

BTW- Fourteen is an even worse number. Allegedly it sounds close to, "for sure you will die..."

Eights are known to be very lucky numbers. Hence when you go to Macau or anyother casino in China most of the lucky 7's on the slot machines are replaced with their lucky 8's.

(This information was given to me by my Mother when I was researching address numbers for a condo in Southern California- the more 4's in an address the worse- the more 8's the better!)

Hope it helps. Thanks everyone for your contributions to these pages, everyone has so much to offer and it is appreciated! I'm glad I can finally contribute.

justdefended
May 19, 2008, 7:42 PM
Hmm...if Asian high-rollers did stay at Aria then they would most likely be staying in a suite of which there are 568 units.

But then again, if they're whales they probably already purchased a residential unit at CityCenter and they can hand-pick a unit with the best number combination.

Silas
May 19, 2008, 8:21 PM
yeah but this does not explain why MGM is telling people that Aria will have 4,004 rooms. We know that the numbers in press releases are not necessarily reality. For example, Hooters said that there were 711 rooms when that was not the real count.

MGM would not have designed Aria with 4,004 rooms - or if somehow they blew it and did, then they could put out 4,005 or 4,000 or 4,003 .. whatever. To put out 4,004 rooms seems like a calculation to me.

Seriously, they may be wanting to push Chinese players to MGM Grand (they have one in Macau now) or .............. ????

justdefended
May 19, 2008, 9:42 PM
They most likely stated Aria will have 4,004 rooms because...it'll have 4,004 rooms.

The Mirage has a declared 3,044 rooms but that didn't stop it from luring all of Caesars Palace's Asian clientele in the early 1990's.

bils
May 19, 2008, 11:35 PM
Being an Asian myself, I can attest to the fact that we don't like the number 4, but to say that we completely 'freak out' at the number 4 is not true. Being superstitious by culture, we would probably like to avoid staying on the 44th floor of a hotel, but to suggest that Asians would research the number of rooms at Aria and stay away, just simply isn't likely.

philip
May 21, 2008, 2:04 AM
I think I will sum it up:

Asians are superstitious about the number 4, not the quantity 4.

For example, many Asians in Los Angeles live in 4-bedroom houses, and that doesn't raise any superstition. However, Asians don't like to have an address with the number 4.

I can have 4 cell phones and that's not a problem, but I don't want to have a phone number that has too many 4's.

4 cars? GREAT! a license plate that reads FRC4444, Not for me !

So to answer your question: No, Asian don't care if you have 4 rooms or 4004 rooms.

solediavolo
May 21, 2008, 3:20 AM
I like keeping track of Vegas development simply because I like to spend vacations there, fairly often. And although I don't think I've ever posted here, I've paid a decent amount of attention to this board for that simple reason.

So I've got to say, when I noticed the poster mdiederi said he was changing jobs that would keep him away from the strip as often, I didn't envision when the face of this board would change so much. There's been some great photos posted from time to time here, and I appreciate all of them in keeping track of development, but oh man is that Mark guy's presence noticeable in absence.

Somebody get him a job on the strip, please.

Silas
May 21, 2008, 4:11 PM
Those are great answers, Thanks for the info.

DowntownGymRat
May 22, 2008, 12:10 AM
Has the tallest tower at City Center topped out yet? I know there's wings that have. And how about Panorama 3?

lfc4life
May 22, 2008, 2:07 AM
the tallest tower at city center isn't scheduled to top out until the late summer, august was the month being mentioned last week

Pano 3 should be close to topping now

neworleans
May 22, 2008, 4:25 AM
pano 3 topped out over 3 weeks ago...

JDRCRASH
May 22, 2008, 4:29 AM
:jester:

mdiederi
May 24, 2008, 1:03 AM
So I've got to say, when I noticed the poster mdiederi said he was changing jobs that would keep him away from the strip as often, I didn't envision when the face of this board would change so much. There's been some great photos posted from time to time here, and I appreciate all of them in keeping track of development, but oh man is that Mark guy's presence noticeable in absence.

Somebody get him a job on the strip, please.

I'm planning on moving to downtown in July, but for now I'm still stuck in Summerlin.

Summerlin Center, across the street from me, is still mostly just a bunch of big underground parking holes and grading, but the start of a steel frame popped up the other day. Only other things happening out here are the five-floor Red Rock employee parking garage, and LaPour's 123-room Starwood Element hotel on the corner of Towncenter and 215. Further south, Manhattan West is taking shape pretty fast.

CHAPINM1
May 27, 2008, 8:27 AM
Updates? I'm GUESSING the Planet Hollywood towers are topped out by now at 50 floors each, Echelon is up to the 7th floor, and Fountainebleau is up to the 44th floor. By the way on the transpertation thread, would it be worth it to start up a thread about the Las Vegas Monorail expansions. I'd really like to keep updated about that and this is not the thread to do it since it's for highrise construction and not real-estate, traffic, city grids, or anything else unrealated. Thanks in advance... :cool:

anyiliang
May 27, 2008, 8:52 AM
I think I will sum it up:

Asians are superstitious about the number 4, not the quantity 4.

For example, many Asians in Los Angeles live in 4-bedroom houses, and that doesn't raise any superstition. However, Asians don't like to have an address with the number 4.

I can have 4 cell phones and that's not a problem, but I don't want to have a phone number that has too many 4's.

4 cars? GREAT! a license plate that reads FRC4444, Not for me !

So to answer your question: No, Asian don't care if you have 4 rooms or 4004 rooms.


You are correct. Asians are more superstitious about the number. In Taiwan Hospitals dont have a 4th floor or any floor that has 4 in it. In Hong Kong, a lot of the older buildings dont have a 4th, 13th, 14th, 24th and so on floors. I remember this one building I was at using the elevator and it was only around 30 story but in the elevator it had buttons up in the 50's.

CHAPINM1
May 27, 2008, 9:35 AM
Soooooooooooo anyways.......... Are Echelon and Fountainebleau excluding any floors with the number 4 now that were back on the subject?

lfc4life
May 27, 2008, 1:10 PM
Updates? I'm GUESSING the Planet Hollywood towers are topped out by now at 50 floors each, Echelon is up to the 7th floor, and Fountainebleau is up to the 44th floor. By the way on the transpertation thread, would it be worth it to start up a thread about the Las Vegas Monorail expansions. I'd really like to keep updated about that and this is not the thread to do it since it's for highrise construction and not real-estate, traffic, city grids, or anything else unrealated. Thanks in advance... :cool:

only one planet hollywood tower has been built and if rumours are to be believed that may be it, apparently they are waiting to see how sales in tower 1 go before building tower 2, in this climate expect tower 2 in about 50 years so :sly: tower 1 is up to floor 48 btw

nice full shot of city center/cosmo from flickr taken 2 days ago
http://i28.tinypic.com/flk3sp.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26203807@N00/2527345534/in/set-72157605279319035/

Complex01
May 27, 2008, 4:02 PM
:previous:

That is really nice...

JDRCRASH
May 27, 2008, 5:18 PM
No kidding. BTW, does anybody have a rendering of what the skyline will look like in the future?

lfc4life
May 27, 2008, 5:45 PM
this is what city center and cosmo will look like, pity they cut out the beach tower on the extreme right

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b8a61f0961.jpg
http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b8a61f0961.jpg

JDRCRASH
May 27, 2008, 6:11 PM
Thats cool, but I was wondering about the Las Vegas skyline in general?

Biff
May 27, 2008, 6:12 PM
Why is the Jockey Club still there? It looks oddly out of place, like it was refusing to move and is getting built over and consumed by the City Center project.

WonderlandPark
May 27, 2008, 7:17 PM
Jockey Club IS still there. Probably has to do with it being a timeshare and the complexity of legal ownership that has kept it there. I think Bellagio tried to buy it, too.

lfc4life
May 27, 2008, 7:18 PM
Why is the Jockey Club still there? It looks oddly out of place, like it was refusing to move and is getting built over and consumed by the City Center project.

the jockey club is still there because it is owned by thousands of people (almost 15,000) and it would have been a nightmare and taken years to buy them all out so cosmo decided to build around it

Tlwarnke
May 27, 2008, 8:57 PM
ifc4life,
according to Westgate Resorts (they are the ones putting up PH Towers) they are still planning on doing 2 towers. They wanted to complete building tower 1 b4 starting tower 2. Tower 1 should be completed in a few weeks. We'll have to wait and see if they were telling me the truth.

Terry

Scruffy
May 27, 2008, 9:48 PM
WOW!! that construction pic above is awesome!!

lfc4life
May 28, 2008, 12:30 AM
Caesars Octavius Tower with 11 floors to go

http://i28.tinypic.com/2l9s4k4.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26203807@N00/2527347716/in/set-72157605279319035/

palazzo condo tower

http://i25.tinypic.com/k4b98y.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26203807@N00/2526518921/

marriott Springhill Suites

http://i27.tinypic.com/169q3yt.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/calmlikeabomb/2521437076/

CHAPINM1
May 28, 2008, 4:31 AM
Thank you very much everybody for all the updates! :cool:

kenratboy
May 28, 2008, 5:14 AM
LOL - look at the 'view' the Jokey Club members will have. Grey wall of the new complex 25' away. They will be glad to sell :p

CHAPINM1
May 28, 2008, 5:55 AM
LOL - look at the 'view' the Jokey Club members will have. Grey wall of the new complex 25' away. They will be glad to sell :p

One of these days the memebers will find it in their best interest to sell, especially due to the skyrocketing land value and how everything is growing up around them. I would think that within the next 5 years at most that heap of shit will be razed.

DowntownGymRat
May 28, 2008, 1:12 PM
With Vegas growing so much, are there any plans for big financial highrises? Seems that the only financial area is the Howard Hughes center off of Sands, and the tallest tower there is the Wells Fargo Bank at like 20 - 25 stories. I would think Vegas could have some supertall bank skyscrapers in planning stages considering how much money banks pour into the city.

RandalR
May 28, 2008, 2:04 PM
With Vegas growing so much, are there any plans for big financial highrises? Seems that the only financial area is the Howard Hughes center off of Sands, and the tallest tower there is the Wells Fargo Bank at like 20 - 25 stories. I would think Vegas could have some supertall bank skyscrapers in planning stages considering how much money banks pour into the city.

Aside from retail bank branches and mortgage broker offices, financial firms won't touch Las Vegas. There's a stigma attached to having the city's name on your business card - clients think you are taking 10% of their money to the blackjack tables every night to try to increase returns. Legal gambling will prevent Las Vegas from ever becoming a center for finance - or even a headquarters for most corporations, despite Nevada's favorable legal environment.

Snotick
May 28, 2008, 2:54 PM
One of these days the memebers will find it in their best interest to sell, especially due to the skyrocketing land value and how everything is growing up around them. I would think that within the next 5 years at most that heap of shit will be razed.

That wont happen, as was already stated before, their are too many owners involved in the Jockey Club (including me) that would have to agree to the buyout. I agree the view sucks for 2/3 of the owners. But I have a unit on the north side overlooking the Bellagio fountains. In less than two years, I will have guaranteed room, booked for the end of October, with a full kitchen, living room, and minutes from the Cosmo Casino floor. As the landscape of Vegas changes and the cost of hotel rooms skyrockets, I dont think it will ever be in my best interest to sell.

Even if they did sell out in 5 years, what good would that do then. The Cosmo will have already been built. Tearing down the JC would just expose the concrete walls of the parking garage. It would not be cost effective for Cosmo to buy it out then, the cost to benefit ratio wouldnt be worth it. The time to do it was before construction started. I would just get used to the Jockey Club being there a long time.

Silas
May 28, 2008, 4:15 PM
I agree J-Club is not going anywhere, ever. Way too many owners involved. No possible way it will ever go away in our lifetimes. I used to hate it but now I kind of like it being there.

As for business skyskrapers. Yes - I think this could be 'the next big thing' for the strip area. We know that hotel rooms will be saturated soon, as are condo ideas.

I have envisioned the land behind Paris/PH which is owned by Harrah's to be used for commercial office buildings. I'm not sure that the old school thinking about businesses avoiding Vegas would hold at all. I envision corporate HQ or offices for the hospitality/entertainment/media, etc. companies. There are many companies that would love to be associated with Vegas and the high-profile location would be a major plus, IMO. There could be a monorail connection to airport and convention center.

What better use for that land for Harrah's? They lease the buildings and they have more patrons for their proposed stadium and Paris/Bally's casinos.

cosmo2k8
May 29, 2008, 3:13 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/gaming/2008/may/28/robin-leach-reporting-sale-cosmopolitan/

By Liz Benston · May 28, 2008 · 7:28 PM

Since last year, New York development giant Related Cos. has been angling to take over the under-construction Cosmopolitan resort and casino, whose primary lender, Deutsche Bank, has begun foreclosure proceedings on the property.

Robin Leach, who purchased a unit at the Cosmopolitan, is reporting in a blog to be posted Thursday morning on the Las Vegas Weekly Web site, that Related boss Steve Ross has agreed to purchase the Cosmopolitan.

The Sun could not confirm that report. What is clear, however, is that Related — which developed the World Market Center in Las Vegas and the Time Warner Center in New York, among other high end commercial complexes nationwide — appears to be the forerunner among potential buyers.

The resort became a victim of the mortgage meltdown when Deutsche Bank sought more equity from developer Ian Bruce Eichner, who has since exited the $3.8 billion project.

Construction has continued under Deutsche Bank’s ownership and Related officials remain in discussions about a purchase.

Related has linked up with the Starwood hotel giant on a Cosmopolitan bid and wants to brand it a W hotel. It hasn’t been the only potential buyer to tour the site.

At one point, the likely buyer appeared to be hedge fund Marathon Asset Management, in partnership with Global Hyatt.

Besides taking on a project of this magnitude and a debt load of at least $1 billion, the winning bidder has another major hurdle to jump. Banks want assurance that buyers will be able to round up experienced operators who will be able to get licensed by Nevada gaming authorities.

It’s unclear who Related and Starwood would have in mind for this role. Also unclear is whether Related simply wants to manage the hotel as a developer or whether it wants to fork over the cash necessary to buy it outright.

fishordie
May 29, 2008, 3:35 AM
Yo Cosmo,

I saw that too. Not sure why Robin Leach would know things before anyone else but if so that is the news we were hoping for. The W branding of this facility is much more powerful with world wide recognition than Eichner and Cosmopolitan would have been. This may be the one condo/hotel project built or being built since 2005 that may actually make money for the unit owners. WE will see. I suppose if it is true we will see confirmation soon.

FOD

CHAPINM1
May 29, 2008, 3:51 AM
I counted, it looks more like Fountainebleau is at 44 floors. There seems that the floor about five levels below the current floor being worked on will be a skylobby/transfer level, correct me if I'm wrong. It's just a little different in height than the other floors.

CHAPINM1
May 29, 2008, 3:55 AM
I agree J-Club is not going anywhere, ever. Way too many owners involved. No possible way it will ever go away in our lifetimes. I used to hate it but now I kind of like it being there.

As for business skyskrapers. Yes - I think this could be 'the next big thing' for the strip area. We know that hotel rooms will be saturated soon, as are condo ideas.

I have envisioned the land behind Paris/PH which is owned by Harrah's to be used for commercial office buildings. I'm not sure that the old school thinking about businesses avoiding Vegas would hold at all. I envision corporate HQ or offices for the hospitality/entertainment/media, etc. companies. There are many companies that would love to be associated with Vegas and the high-profile location would be a major plus, IMO. There could be a monorail connection to airport and convention center.

What better use for that land for Harrah's? They lease the buildings and they have more patrons for their proposed stadium and Paris/Bally's casinos.

I see downtown as the area that will be incorporated with most of the business skyscrapers.

Also, whenever they'll keep expanding the monorail will be a wonder to me. The wait so far has been too Goddamn long....... :hell: Getting a little more than tired of having to take a fricken cab or shuttle to get to the strip from the airport. I've tried to look up everything I can about the expansions on the internet and the best thing I get is a bunch of non-current articles. Wikipedia doesn't have anything even remotely current on it...

BrandonJXN
May 29, 2008, 5:35 AM
this is what city center and cosmo will look like, pity they cut out the beach tower on the extreme right

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b8a61f0961.jpg
http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b8a61f0961.jpg

Looking at this pic, I wish Cosmo would just become a part of City Center.

CHAPINM1
May 29, 2008, 5:51 AM
Just asking, I never understood why Cosmo is being built into two seperate towers with one being a lot bigger than the other. Is one for condo's and the other for hotel usage?

cosmo2k8
May 29, 2008, 12:48 PM
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/blogs/luxe-life/2008/may/29/--rocks-cosmopolitan-focus-sale-chatter/

The Cosmopolitan, shown under construction in 2006, is said to become the W Hotel.

In a strong vote of confidence about the future of condo-hotels on the Strip, it is believed the troubled Cosmopolitan project adjacent to MGM's City Center is to be sold to New York-headquartered Related Companies. I've been told by highly reliable sources that a chic W Hotel will replace the plans there for a Grand Hyatt Hotel-managed facility.

Miami and New York real estate developer Bruce Eichner apparently relinquished control of the building, which is now under construction, to Wall Street's Deutscher Bank when he was unable to secure an additional $400 million equity-loan investment.

Now Luxe Life has been informed exclusively that tycoon Steve Ross, who owns Time Warner Center and Related Companies, has apparently agreed to purchase the Cosmopolitan project -- and partner with the Los Angeles-based partnership that originally planned the initial W Hotel project for Harmon Avenue that also fell victim to the current poor economic climate.

I'm told that Grimaldi's Pizza will be the only retailer kept from the original Cosmopolitan stores and restaurant lineup, and that old deals with all the other potential stores will be renogotiated or ended.

Construction on the hotel towers has continued since Deutscher took over by paying the builder directly -- and plans now call for the W Hotel to open there by fall of 2010.

The Related Company owned by Ross also owns an independent Related subsidiary, which partnered with Centra Properties of Las Vegas and investors George Clooney, Rande Gerber and Brad Pitt for the Las Ramblas resort casino complex on Harmon that also was canceled.

No financial details concerning the Related & Cosmopolitan transaction have been revealed yet.

In another surprising real estate development, I have also learned that Pure Management Group, the subject of an ongoing IRS investigation at its Pure (Caesars Palace) and LAX (Luxor) nightclubs, has purchased its first off-Strip property -- at the expensive, luxurious Queensridge development in Summerlin. Reliable sources have told me that PMG plans to put a 3,000-square-foot outdoor deck to good use as part of a new martini lounge bar and casual restaurant, similar to the new Blue Martini at Town Square.

Luxe Life will continue to monitor this developing stories.

DMaldon762
May 29, 2008, 1:30 PM
View from Strat.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1134.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1137.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1137.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1139.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1140.jpg

View from Palazzo pool

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1220.jpg

Echelon from Palazzo

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1222.jpg

RandalR
May 29, 2008, 1:47 PM
I counted, it looks more like Fountainebleau is at 44 floors. There seems that the floor about five levels below the current floor being worked on will be a skylobby/transfer level, correct me if I'm wrong. It's just a little different in height than the other floors.

I took this one over the weekend - it shows the higher level you mentioned:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/Fontainebleau20080525.jpg?t=1212068681

CHAPINM1
May 29, 2008, 9:15 PM
Thanks a million everyone! Those Stratosphere shots were spot on! Fountainebleau is definetly beginning to make an impact already, also it's appearant that Echelon is going vertical and should be visable in the skyline before too long. After seeing those shots from the Palazzo pool area, I was amazed from every angle. The head on view of Wynn and Encore is fantastic!

BTW RandalR, thanks for pointing out the shot and pointing out the higher level I mentioned. I dind't know exactly if I was just seeing things or it was actually higher than the rest. I'm guessing it is a skylobby/transfer floor.

RandalR
May 30, 2008, 1:11 AM
I'm guessing it is a skylobby/transfer floor.

Yes, maybe the starting point for the condominiums - meaning the hotel room levels are done.

Hans Gruber
May 30, 2008, 4:28 AM
The Vegas real estate market is going down the drain. At least there will be some wonderful properties when all is said and done in the next 3 years.

The shot from the Palazzo pool is excellent!

CHAPINM1
May 30, 2008, 5:10 AM
The Vegas real estate market is going down the drain. At least there will be some wonderful properties when all is said and done in the next 3 years.

The shot from the Palazzo pool is excellent!

Well, at least when I move to Vegas a year or two from now HOPEFULLY it will make it that much easier to find and buy decient property.

CHAPINM1
May 30, 2008, 5:13 AM
Yes, maybe the starting point for the condominiums - meaning the hotel room levels are done.

That would definetly explain it... :tup:

DMaldon762
May 30, 2008, 11:36 AM
By the way...

The Palazzo is a great resort. I stayed there for 2 nights after staying at Signature and there is no comparison. The smoke free corridors in the center of the casino were great and the rooms were top notch.

DMaldon762
May 30, 2008, 11:43 AM
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/DMaldon762/eXXXquisite%20Vegas%202008/DSCF1246.jpg

Silas
May 30, 2008, 7:55 PM
Seems like it is up in the air. MGM ?

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2008/05/28/opinion/columnists/stutz/iq_21672642.txt

Patrick
May 30, 2008, 9:27 PM
What happened to Vegas Grows Up? It says his account was closed?

DMaldon762
May 30, 2008, 10:00 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if Caesars or Sands bought Cosmo and shoehorned themselves between CC and Bellagio?

mdiederi
May 31, 2008, 5:22 AM
The latest rumors are that Caesars (Harrah's) is thinking of buying Wynn (:haha: that'll never happen), and Related will buy or manage the Cosmo and rebrand it as W (that would be good).

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/blogs/dmckee/index.cfm/2008/5/30/You-want-fries-with-that
http://blogs.lasvegasmagazine.com/VegasLuxeLife/cosmoploitan-sold/

hotdog
May 31, 2008, 7:34 PM
Another death at CityCenter. Is all this construction worth it?

CHAPINM1
Jun 1, 2008, 2:03 AM
Another death at CityCenter. Is all this construction worth it?

What kind of stupid question is that? Construction related deaths are not guaranteed and no matter what project a firm is working on the odds of somebody getting killed are always going to be there. It's a horrible thing that there are people who die on the job and especially some of the ways they end up dying, no matter what construction job it is, saftey is never a 100% guarantee. I find it a great thing that projects like these are continuing to create jobs, however the risks associated with a number of jobs can be tragic. Buildings need to get built somehow, and they just don't go up with magic dust last time I checked... Construction workers, fireman, policeman, and countless other people out there risk their saftey for the well being and progress of everybody and I can't ever thank them enough for their sacrafice. I guess we should just take all the police off the streets because there is some risk associated there as well... I can't believe that you have the nerve to sit there and degrade what so many people including those contruction workers have accomplished and are trying to accomplish... Shame on you! :hell:

Patrick
Jun 1, 2008, 9:15 AM
^oh my

CHAPINM1
Jun 1, 2008, 10:56 AM
How long has it been since the Cosmopolitian broke ground? That development seems cursed having been bought and sold with struggling developers as many times as it has ever since it broke ground. If it is branded as a W Hotel I would find that more than okay... :cool:

BTW, The Echelon webcam is down, anybody else not able to view it?

Hans Gruber
Jun 1, 2008, 11:26 AM
Anybody know what the best sites are for uploading full size images or large images? I see a lot of large pics on the Vegas forum. I used to use allyoucanupload but they are no longer taking new pics.

CHAPINM1
Jun 1, 2008, 12:06 PM
Anybody know what the best sites are for uploading full size images or large images? I see a lot of large pics on the Vegas forum. I used to use allyoucanupload but they are no longer taking new pics.

Have you tried photobucket, that's what I use and I've had pretty good luck with it.

http://photobucket.com/

lfc4life
Jun 1, 2008, 2:00 PM
How long has it been since the Cosmopolitian broke ground? That development seems cursed having been bought and sold with struggling developers as many times as it has ever since it broke ground. If it is branded as a W Hotel I would find that more than okay... :cool:

BTW, The Echelon webcam is down, anybody else not able to view it?

cosmo broke ground in late October 2005 but it took over a year to dig the foundation for the parking garage so the first signs of life (steel and concrete) were February 2007

Anybody know what the best sites are for uploading full size images or large images? I see a lot of large pics on the Vegas forum. I used to use allyoucanupload but they are no longer taking new pics.

i use http://www.tinypic.com

mdiederi
Jun 1, 2008, 3:37 PM
That development seems cursed having been bought and sold with struggling developers as many times as it has ever since it broke ground.

It only changed hands once so far, from the original developer to the bank.

CHAPINM1
Jun 1, 2008, 3:41 PM
It only changed hands once so far, from the original developer to the bank.

It's always seemed like it's has been through the ringer from the get-go. The construction for this one has been super slow and it seems like financing has been a major problem. Developments like Project Citycenter, Echelon, and Fountainebleu had groundbreakings at least 6 months to 2 years after Cosmo broke ground and are at lease at the same level of progress. I don't have a doubt in my mind that Project City Center will be up and going before Cosmo will be... I do have to say "better late than never," at least it is getting built and will be finished eventually as opposed to getting cancelled all together.

Aaron Auxier
Jun 1, 2008, 8:19 PM
Hello all! I saw Patrick was wondering where I have been, well, I've been reading, just not posting too much.

As you can see, I have a new screenname as well.

LasVegasStripDaily.com is a new website I have launched where I upload daily photos and tidbits about the Las Vegas Strip - primarily construction photos.

The posts are short and sweet, not so much about selling real estate but more about the development and lifestyle of the Strip. I try to upload a photo a day.

I hope you all enjoy!

hotdog
Jun 1, 2008, 10:24 PM
CHAPINM1, if I were to ask "Is the Iraq war worth it given that 3000+ Americans have died in it?", I hope you would not consider me to be degrading the accomplishments and sacrifices of our soldiers. Because I do question the policy of going into Iraq, and I do question whether the quest for the bottom line makes resort and construction companies but dollars over lives, but I do NOT question the jobs and sacrifices that our soldiers or our construction workers do.

As far as your contention that buildings need to get built: no, we don't need to build these buildings. If, hypothetically, the death toll at CityCenter were at 1000, with another person dying every day, I think you'd agree that maybe they should cease construction. You wouldn't just blindly cast shame on someone who questions if the death toll is too high, and who questions the need to finish the project. Well, thankfully the death toll is not 1000, but I question if 6 is too many.

fishordie
Jun 1, 2008, 11:53 PM
It's always seemed like it's has been through the ringer from the get-go. The construction for this one has been super slow and it seems like financing has been a major problem. Developments like Project Citycenter, Echelon, and Fountainebleu had groundbreakings at least 6 months to 2 years after Cosmo broke ground and are at lease at the same level of progress. I don't have a doubt in my mind that Project City Center will be up and going before Cosmo will be... I do have to say "better late than never," at least it is getting built and will be finished eventually as opposed to getting cancelled all together.

For this owner of multiple units at Cosmo I am glad the completion date continues to be extended. The original date was for 2008 and now potentially 1st quarter of 2010 though I would expect it to be a bit later than that. For those folks who are closing on units now in other projects I hate to say between financing woes and the down turn of the economy the next several years may not be so good for the majority of folks who went in as investors and not residents.

For me, should the rumors of Related purchasing the property and using the W branding for either the management or naming of the project turn out to be factual, then this may be the one Strip Hotel/condo project that will keep many of our investments intact rather than being upside down at closing. This is going to be one heck of a project. As an International draw the W will bring in the young and glitzy from all around the world who are looking at the U.S. as cheap and affordable. This will not only be a big plus for the project but for L.V. as well. We need as much foreign monies as we can get in order to prop up the lost revenue from Americans.

I do not care how the path unwound for the Cosmo project but if it results in the W branding then this is one happy camper assuming they decide, which I assume they will, to keep the contracts intact for the Condo's.

fishordie
Jun 2, 2008, 12:01 AM
Hello all! I saw Patrick was wondering where I have been, well, I've been reading, just not posting too much.

As you can see, I have a new screenname as well.

LasVegasStripDaily.com is a new website I have launched where I upload daily photos and tidbits about the Las Vegas Strip - primarily construction photos.

The posts are short and sweet, not so much about selling real estate but more about the development and lifestyle of the Strip. I try to upload a photo a day.

I hope you all enjoy!

Aaron,

Very nice Blog site. This may be a crazy or maybe not so crazy thought but there is a huge demand for a website for owners or potential owners of projects slated to be completed in late 09 and 2010. For folks who need questions answered in regards to such things as Rental agreements, updates on the projects, questions in regards to the projects, and a place where those folks can discuss these things, etc. Might be a great resource for others and a great means of gathering clientele for you. Just a thought.

FOD

Aaron Auxier
Jun 2, 2008, 12:25 AM
FOD,

I agree but as a real estate agent (especially one who follows the law) I can't participate in discussions or provide information on items such as rental programs, etc.

Also, I can't be responsible for providing info that the developer could change at any given time. A good example would be HOA rules etc.

www.LasVegasStripDaily.com was built to better fit in with what people are looking for in this forum, fresh construction pictures and interesting facts about the development of the Strip!

CHAPINM1
Jun 2, 2008, 12:31 AM
FOD,

I agree but as a real estate agent (especially one who follows the law) I can't participate in discussions or provide information on items such as rental programs, etc.

Also, I can't be responsible for providing info that the developer could change at any given time. A good example would be HOA rules etc.

www.LasVegasStripDaily.com (http://www.LasVegasStripDaily.com) was built to better fit in with what people are looking for in this forum, fresh construction pictures and interesting facts about the development of the Strip!

Nice, thanks for the link!

fishordie
Jun 2, 2008, 1:04 AM
FOD,

I agree but as a real estate agent (especially one who follows the law) I can't participate in discussions or provide information on items such as rental programs, etc.

Also, I can't be responsible for providing info that the developer could change at any given time. A good example would be HOA rules etc.

www.LasVegasStripDaily.com was built to better fit in with what people are looking for in this forum, fresh construction pictures and interesting facts about the development of the Strip!

I was afraid of that so I will probably set one up myself. There is a huge demand for it.

Again, great job on keeping us informed with your sites.

FOD

Jake2006
Jun 2, 2008, 2:09 AM
I have read this forum for a while but never posted. We visit Vegas about five times a year and have been watching City Center go up from the start. We were in Vegas this past week and for the first time, we were able to see just how big the City Center and Cosmo projects will be. Looking at the project from across the street this is one of the most impressive projects I've ever watched being built. This project will truly draw people from all over the world. It is exciting to watch its progress.

If anyone knows though, I would like to know how Harmon will go through City Center. It looks like it will go right through the shopping area. It was hard to tell but maybe someone knows how the road will be directed through the complex.

Aaron Auxier
Jun 2, 2008, 2:27 AM
Jake, Harmon will run right through just to the north of the retail and The Harmon Hotel (to the south of Cosmo and Vdara). It will actually go under (or over) the west porte cochere for ARIA Resort & Casino.

And to Chap and FOD - You're welcome. I called at LasVegasStripDaily because I'm going to try and provide at least one interesting tidbit or photo every single day. Although, I'll miss some days here and there more than likely.

cosmo2k8
Jun 2, 2008, 7:11 AM
Dear Aaron,

Your daily website is fantastic.

Vegas pics and tidbits are now a part of my browsing diet.

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,
:cheers:

CHAPINM1
Jun 2, 2008, 7:16 AM
For this owner of multiple units at Cosmo I am glad the completion date continues to be extended. The original date was for 2008 and now potentially 1st quarter of 2010 though I would expect it to be a bit later than that. For those folks who are closing on units now in other projects I hate to say between financing woes and the down turn of the economy the next several years may not be so good for the majority of folks who went in as investors and not residents.

For me, should the rumors of Related purchasing the property and using the W branding for either the management or naming of the project turn out to be factual, then this may be the one Strip Hotel/condo project that will keep many of our investments intact rather than being upside down at closing. This is going to be one heck of a project. As an International draw the W will bring in the young and glitzy from all around the world who are looking at the U.S. as cheap and affordable. This will not only be a big plus for the project but for L.V. as well. We need as much foreign monies as we can get in order to prop up the lost revenue from Americans.

I do not care how the path unwound for the Cosmo project but if it results in the W branding then this is one happy camper assuming they decide, which I assume they will, to keep the contracts intact for the Condo's.

The Cosmo really is a great project, and I couldn't agree more on the international draw investing since the dollar is weak right now. The same thing is going on in Chicago with the Chicago Spire, most of the individuals buying condos there are overseas investor getting more bang for their buck while they have the chance. If your a forign investor, there couldn't possibly be a better time to buy than now here in the United States...

Another question though about Cosmo itself, why are there two towers? Is one for hotel and the other residential condos?

fishordie
Jun 2, 2008, 3:05 PM
The Cosmo really is a great project, and I couldn't agree more on the international draw investing since the dollar is weak right now. The same thing is going on in Chicago with the Chicago Spire, most of the individuals buying condos there are overseas investor getting more bang for their buck while they have the chance. If your a forign investor, there couldn't possibly be a better time to buy than now here in the United States...

Another question though about Cosmo itself, why are there two towers? Is one for hotel and the other residential condos?

Under Eichner, the main tower was for those looking for one button ease of use to access the casino or other assorted amenities. Like most of the gaming hotels you will enter and leave the street level through the hub bub of the casino though Parking would be below ground if you were taking the elevator to your car. It has its own pools and services.

The Beach club tower was more of Condo environment with the casino and retail just a few steps away. It too has its own pool area overlooking the strip. It appeared as if the Beach Club tower was designed to be just a bit more prestigious and was priced higher than the main tower. It had some larger units including some impressive corners units.

I have been hearing rumors about the planned use of the Beach tower but at this time they are just rumors. Ultimately we all just get to wait and see.
Could the beach tower turn into a 6 star hotel?? or stay as a wonderfully located Condo/Hotel. Time will tell.

Interestingly enough, the last time I looked at the models there were also plans for Bungalows (Fancy pool side units) located next to the main tower pool. Not sure if these will come to fruition or not nor if they will be owned by the hotel or made available for sale. Undoubtedly they will be the most expensive units on the property. The model also showed an increase in size from the original design of both the retail and gaming spaces. This project is packing a ton of good stuff into a much smaller footprint.

FOD

Jake2006
Jun 2, 2008, 7:36 PM
Aaron;

Thanks for the update on how Harmon will run. We will be sure to bring our camera when we come out later this month as I want to get some pictures. We also heard that City Center will open a sales office in Dubai this month. Does anyone know if that is correct?

Aaron Auxier
Jun 2, 2008, 7:49 PM
Jake,

You're welcome. As far as the Dubai sales office, MGM MIRAGE has not released a final date. From what I hear, it will probably not open in June. Latest word is that it will open sometime this summer.

Aaron Auxier
Jun 2, 2008, 7:54 PM
A huge piece of The Crystals that got installed last week.

http://item.slide.com/r/1/49/i/onqgWV2Z2T8kEbkWLikBbJvrJp0FUf8B/

Nice shot of Mandarin Oriental on a cloudy day

http://item.slide.com/r/1/42/i/mLN0iZC06j-8AAbyUXU_X-seigXHXnam/

mdiederi
Jun 3, 2008, 1:09 AM
Good idea for a daily website, Aaron.
.....

Saw that they have started installing the curvy facade on Frank Gehry's Ruvo building in Union Park.
.....

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8413870
Union construction workers are threatening to walk off the job tomorrow at CityCenter if safety isn't improved.

Steve Ross, the Secretary Treasurer with the Southern Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council, said they are asking for three things.

One is to submit to an immediate work site assessment administered by the Center for Research Training. Two, institute OSHA training by the Center for Research Training, paid for by the Perrini Construction, or MGM-Mirage. Third, grant full job site access to union directors and safety directors.

If this does not happen by midnight, Ross said workers might not show up tomorrow, "We are not quite sure what direction we are going, but that is certainly a prospect of all the workers coming off the project until we are satisfied our safety concerns are met."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/news/2008/jun/02/unions-threaten-citycenter-walkout-over-safety/

mdiederi
Jun 3, 2008, 5:05 PM
! ! STRIKE ! !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/2737464.jpg
Photo by Jeremy Lyverse/Review-Journal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/scaled0503_met_citycenter_262992_t6.jpg
Photo by Leila Navidi/Las Vegas Sun

Sun blog
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/03/workers-walk-citycenter-site-protest/

TV 8 story
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=8415340
Aaron Drawhorn, Reporter
Workers Strike at Project CityCenter

Updated: June 3, 2008 07:19 AM

The majority of union workers on MGM Mirage Inc.'s multibillion dollar CityCenter project struck late Monday after talks broke down between the Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council, casino giant MGM Mirage and project general contractor Perini Building Co.

Since construction on CityCenter began, six men have died. The latest, 39-year-old Dustin Tarter, a crane worker, was killed Saturday. He is the latest victim who perished on the grounds.

"This is the sixth death since the start of the construction of the CityCenter project and this is unacceptable," said Steve Ross with the Southern Nevada Building & Construction Trades Council.

The council is throwing down the gauntlet. It has made suggestions to Perini Building Company and MGM-Mirage on ways to improve safety concerns at the job site.

Now they're demanding an immediate work site safety assessment, an on-site OSHA training course, both administered by the Center for Construction Research and Training, and full job site access to be granted to union officials and safety directors.

"Immediately is the time we're allowing Perini and MGM-Mirage to work with us in regards to these requests, meaning today," said Ross.

Now the 6,000 workers at CityCenter will walk once the clock strikes midnight.

"We have the most dangerous work on the site -- no ifs, ands or buts. Something needs to be done," said an ironworker who didn't want his name given.

He's prepared to strike to save lives, "We're all behind this. Whatever has to be done to stop the men dying continuously. One man per month is what we have going right now. That's not okay."

Steve Redlinger, a spokesperson for the Southern Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council and its affiliated unions, said a compromise on those three demands is not expected to be met by the deadline. Negotiations with Perini Building Company and MGM-Mirage are expecting to resume Tuesday morning.

Silas
Jun 3, 2008, 5:07 PM
HotDog you're right! You were the first to bring up the issue, now CC workers on strike.

I look forward to CityCenter as much as anyone. I love the way it is looking. But how much is too much in the name of $$$$$$. Oh, did I mention $$$$$$$$$ ?

What are the bonus incentives of corporate executives to meet or exceed deadlines? Reasonable questions are valid when people are being killed. All for the executives new jet? That's harsh.

CHAPINM1
Jun 3, 2008, 5:22 PM
I will say that there have been a very high number of deaths with this project so far that have made me question the saftey standards with this project in relations to other projects going up in Las Vegas... I looked at the dedication page on Vegas Today and Tomorrow for the newest casualty and most of the casualties were from Project City Center construction. Construction related accidents in most cases are pretty much inevitable, but with this project they seem way more abundant...

Tlwarnke
Jun 3, 2008, 6:08 PM
It appears that they have started putting the red on the "wing" of tower one.
Anyone know if they are on floor 50 yet? Or are they getting ready to top-off? The webcam does not show very much. Any new photos of the whole tower and the pit area would be appreciated.

Thanx,
Terry

hotdog
Jun 3, 2008, 8:06 PM
Yeah, Silas, I agree, when you've had more deaths in the last 18 months than the rest of the strip combined, surely somebody is cutting corners on safety, but I'm sure the corporate jet is well inspected before flying. I'd rather have CityCenter remain an unfinished heap of iron than lose six more lives in the next 18 months, and if the work continues with few changes made and another 6 or so die before opening date, I'll make sure not to buy from the stores there or eat at the restaurants there (I live in Henderson so I don't stay in the hotels). I know that pledge means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but it's all I can do to not reward the blind quest to maximize profits.

Silas
Jun 3, 2008, 9:03 PM
Well said HD.

I have never worked in construction but I have a lot of respect for these guys. These are some of the last honest jobs we have in the country. So much of our culture is filled with jobs/careers that allow people to skate by and/or gain the rewards of others' work.

I think your idea of an implied threat of a public-boycott of the property is excellent and in fact it is too bad that there is not a precedent for this already. I think Perini/MGM should be up for REASONABLE scrutiny -- and that they should feel the heat from the community. If they new that their future profit stream would be affected by what MAY be unethical practices, I think that component would keep them flying straight.

Our society has moved into the mindset that if it is legal, then it's ethical. These are often two different things.

tumbleweed
Jun 3, 2008, 11:50 PM
But there were 112 deaths associated with building the Hoover Dam.. is that proportionate with the numbers at city center or have we made a vast improvement in construction safety over the last 75 years? Does anyone boycott those large projects throughout history that have cost hundreds of lives? Do people not eat crab because men die fishing them every year? These guys choose to do this type of work.. Don't get me wrong, not saying any deaths are acceptable...
some guys just work stupid, show up hungover or under the influence and have to be a little more responsible for themselves and the good workers around them.. and i guess it is hard to babysit everyone all the time?

Jake2006
Jun 4, 2008, 12:40 AM
From the Review Journal...

Workers to return to CityCenter and Cosmopolitan

Construction workers who walked off the job late Monday because of safety concerns at two Strip job sites will return to work later tonight.

Steve Ross, secretary-treasurer of the Southern Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council, said Perini Building Co. agreed to all of the Southern Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council's demands about safety issues following meetings earlier today.

Workers on the Cosmopolitan project return to work at 9 p.m. While CityCenter workers will resume work at midnight.

Eight workers have died at the two sites during the past 16 months leading to the strike.

sky-of-webs
Jun 4, 2008, 2:40 AM
When I heard this at work (I'm a carpenter) in early January, while on the Pallazzo I was going to post it here but figured it was off topic and of course not funny. But here it is---
"City Center" is referred to as "Cemetery Center"

CHAPINM1
Jun 4, 2008, 1:40 PM
double post

CHAPINM1
Jun 4, 2008, 1:41 PM
But there were 112 deaths associated with building the Hoover Dam.. is that proportionate with the numbers at city center or have we made a vast improvement in construction safety over the last 75 years? Does anyone boycott those large projects throughout history that have cost hundreds of lives? Do people not eat crab because men die fishing them every year? These guys choose to do this type of work.. Don't get me wrong, not saying any deaths are acceptable...
some guys just work stupid, show up hungover or under the influence and have to be a little more responsible for themselves and the good workers around them.. and i guess it is hard to babysit everyone all the time?

I agree, and don't we buy clothing that was made in third world countries by slave labor? Like I said earlier, in some cases hazards on the job are inevitable, however with Project City Center it seems a little awkward that the number has been higher than usual. Let's not forget the countless other projects and structures we all use everyday that people have died creating people... In a perfect world nobody would die on the job, but since it's not, the odds are always going to be there sadly whether we like it or not...

silverbow
Jun 4, 2008, 2:48 PM
Crown Las Vegas project officially declared dead

http://www.lvrj.com/business/19521419.html (http://www.lvrj.com/business/19521419.html)

The $5 billion Crown Las Vegas project slated for the old Wet 'n Wild site is officially dead, according to the Australian-based partner in the project.

Melbourne, Australia-based Crown limited announced late Tuesday that LVTI, the joint-venture company developing the project, has decided not to proceed with an option to buy the 27-acre site and no further payments will be made.

Texas-based developer Christopher Milam and private equity firm York Capital Management were partners in the project.

The site, which had been approved for a 1,064-foot hotel tower, is now owned by Archon Corp.

In addition to LVTI and the Fontainebleau projects, Crown's U.S. investments include a 4.9 percent stake in Station Casinos and a 2.5 percent holding in Harrah's Entertainment.

Patrick
Jun 4, 2008, 8:10 PM
^Yay.

lfc4life
Jun 4, 2008, 9:29 PM
anything there was better than having to look at an empty lot now for the next 10 years :( empty apart from broken bottles, porn flyers and other assorted rubbish

lets face it vegas is never going to rival venice or barcelona in the architectural stakes so it was even more hilarious when i saw people complaining about the design of crown when we have a pyramid, disneyesque castle and a circus tent on the same street

a 1000ft hotel would have brought tourists and extra money to las vegas no matter what it looked like; tourist won't come to see an empty lot

heyyoucharlie
Jun 4, 2008, 9:44 PM
That lot will still eventually be fill by a 1000ft tower... The fact that the city and the FAA both approved the 1064ft is a huge step... Probably won't be the Crown people, but someday there will be a 1000 footer there...:banana:

lfc4life
Jun 4, 2008, 9:59 PM
i for one won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen after all the el rancho lot across the street has lay empty for nearly 50 years and will stay that way for a long while yet given the current market

If anybody has been to Crowns establishments in Australia you would realise this is a huge loss to not only the north strip but las vegas in general

mdiederi
Jun 5, 2008, 12:59 AM
In addition to LVTI and the Fontainebleau projects, Crown's U.S. investments include a 4.9 percent stake in Station Casinos and a 2.5 percent holding in Harrah's Entertainment.
They also bought 100% of Cannery for $1.8 billion, which includes three casinos in Vegas and one in Pittsburgh. Crown isn't going away and still wants to have sole ownership of a major resort ON the Strip, but they just need to wait until the credit market is healthier. I wonder if they might eventually buyout the other owners of Fontainebleau? Nah, I don't think the others will sell.