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sw5710
Dec 1, 2008, 5:38 AM
Seems kind of strange, when I vision correcting re-enforcing steel rebar, I imagine having to chip away at the concrete that supports the building in order to access the rebar. Anyway, that's just what I think of.

How many floors? And are we talking about complete floors??

mac78130
Dec 1, 2008, 5:38 AM
here's a recent photo of Harmon from Flickr by erlin1.
Work continues on the facade and rebar for the walkway are up.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/erlin1/3073093666/

mac78130
Dec 1, 2008, 5:47 AM
Looks like a Frank Stella painting above the front desk.

I plan on staying at the Vdara next year hopefully it will be better in person. A video I found on youtube shows the views from Aria, it's kind of old but worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tq8NjrX6uM

CTLV
Dec 1, 2008, 6:37 PM
MAC78130,

Speaking of the Cosmo, have you or anyone else heard who the new operator of the hotel will be?

mac78130
Dec 2, 2008, 5:57 AM
MAC78130,

Speaking of the Cosmo, have you or anyone else heard who the new operator of the hotel will be?

No new operator has been announced that I know of. The last thing I heard was that Related Cos. was hired to over see the project.

CHAPINM1
Dec 2, 2008, 7:51 PM
I checked the webcam, appears that there are two cores still sticking out of the top of Fontainebleau. How have the upper floors been progressing as of late?

Don Pacho
Dec 3, 2008, 12:44 AM
Planet Hollywood Towers

Taken over the Thanksgiving weekend




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07699s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07700s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07702s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08342s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08343s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08361s.jpg


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Krases
Dec 3, 2008, 3:02 AM
Its really too bad the Aladdin was kinda ugly. Its one of those resorts, had it been more successful and less ugly, could have had an awesome expansion like the Pallazo.

I watched the local news tonight and they are saying that tourism is down by about 9% over the past few months. Looking at the following site, http://www.lvcva.com/press/statistics-facts/index.jsp , one can see that thigns are down, but there not exactly terrible. The real hit seems to be from less traffic coming in from California. People are still flying here in droves though.

philip
Dec 3, 2008, 8:53 AM
The architecture style combination of "Planet Hollywood Hotel/Casino" and the "Condominium Building" is just bizzare.

I am trying to imagine what kind of people would live in there.

jazfingr
Dec 3, 2008, 9:05 AM
:previous:

No one is going to live there, they're timeshares. :D

RandalR
Dec 3, 2008, 2:25 PM
The architecture style combination of "Planet Hollywood Hotel/Casino" and the "Condominium Building" is just bizzare.


Well, Planet Hollywood's remodeled interior kind of matches the condo tower's exterior - it's just the the old Aladdin exterior that doesn't work.

People in south-facing units in the tower will have spectacular airport views - hope they are fans of aviation. I would like it, but some don't care for a steady stream of 737s going past their windows all day long. :D

RandalR
Dec 3, 2008, 2:29 PM
I checked the webcam, appears that there are two cores still sticking out of the top of Fontainebleau. How have the upper floors been progressing as of late?

Looks like the steel workers took the Thanksgiving weekend off - they are back at it this morning, with new beams going onto the crown.

mac78130
Dec 3, 2008, 4:12 PM
I keep hearing "rumors" that CityCenter is planning to shutdown some of its construction in a few weeks, has anyone heard anything like this?

Krases
Dec 3, 2008, 6:10 PM
The architecture style combination of "Planet Hollywood Hotel/Casino" and the "Condominium Building" is just bizzare.

I am trying to imagine what kind of people would live in there.

They should do what MGM did with the Marina hotel. Just build a giant glass facade on the front to cover the old ugliness and make it match the new towers. At least that way it would all match.

I keep hearing "rumors" that CityCenter is planning to shutdown some of its construction in a few weeks, has anyone heard anything like this?

Maybe there finishing up construction on a part of it? I would imagine more of it is going to top out soon. Thats just a guess though.

VegasMatt
Dec 3, 2008, 6:19 PM
When you open the Encore web site, you now see Steve Wynn gleefully talking about the property. I had mixed reactions to the video. It was kinda weird seeing Steve so giddy. However, he does mention a few details about Encore, including a restaurant called switch, which sounded pretty neat.
Most of the info isn't new.

Crackertastik
Dec 3, 2008, 6:43 PM
Maybe there finishing up construction on a part of it? I would imagine more of it is going to top out soon. Thats just a guess though.

Regarding Centercity...

ARIA is not going to be ARIA.

mdiederi
Dec 3, 2008, 7:35 PM
It's not?

mdiederi
Dec 3, 2008, 7:53 PM
Really nice shots Don Pacho. I bet you have some more.

Took these this morning.

CityCenterAndCosmo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/CCC.jpg

Fountainblow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Fontainebleau/font-5.jpg

ondarox
Dec 3, 2008, 9:18 PM
Krases I agree-

PHo, (doubt they read this) please consider going back to the original plan and creating an all glass glass exterior. Maybe predominantely silver (in the main body) and a purple/blue upper and lower part. Red accent trim and even some black glass accents. Might help cover up the individual windows (Which look strange) and and add a little bit of flashiness and glamour to the exterior of your project. I wonder if I can render that up. Hrmm...

Crackertastik
Dec 4, 2008, 1:45 AM
It's not?

It is not. Before it opens, you will see a new holding company, a new BIG Hotel chain on board, a brand new Brand.

That is all i can give ya. :) Ask again in March.

Krases
Dec 4, 2008, 2:06 AM
Krases I agree-

PHo, (doubt they read this) please consider going back to the original plan and creating an all glass glass exterior. Maybe predominantely silver (in the main body) and a purple/blue upper and lower part. Red accent trim and even some black glass accents. Might help cover up the individual windows (Which look strange) and and add a little bit of flashiness and glamour to the exterior of your project. I wonder if I can render that up. Hrmm...

The great thing is that its cheap. Destroying the original hotel tower is out of the question, but just stripping the outer shell and replacing it with an exterior that matches the timeshare towers would simply rock.

Patrick
Dec 4, 2008, 2:09 AM
Wow, Cosmo's a beast :yes:

leftopolis
Dec 4, 2008, 3:22 AM
Thanks Don Pacho and mdiederi for the fantastic pics! I don't make it to LV as often as I'd like to and it's great to watch the progress, here. I'm particularly fond of how in all the shots, one can see the reflections of nearby structures. Also, I appreciate you not posting a dozen pictures at once(as in some other threads), as it bogs down the loading of thread.

I imagine with CC, that portions of the project will no longer need certain types of specialized construction workers--based on the fact that such jobs are nearing completion--so it would make sense they are getting ready to cut down the workforce a bit.

Don Pacho
Dec 4, 2008, 3:29 AM
CityCenter Tram at Bellagio





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07638s.jpg

mac78130
Dec 4, 2008, 6:36 AM
It is not. Before it opens, you will see a new holding company, a new BIG Hotel chain on board, a brand new Brand.

That is all i can give ya. :) Ask again in March.

I'm sure if a big change is about to happen we will hear about it before March. The shareholders of MGM/MIRAGE would probably like to know..

heyyoucharlie
Dec 4, 2008, 9:37 AM
mdiederi... That is probably the best pic we have seen on here to display exactly how LARGE Fountainbleau is...

I also like the "typo" of Fountainblow... :haha:

lfc4life
Dec 4, 2008, 3:39 PM
http://i36.tinypic.com/2wh4f4i.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clintopia/3075644879

caesars sort of got lost under the radar a bit

http://i33.tinypic.com/ilvdcj.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daverodriguez/3075669721

http://i33.tinypic.com/2pqt2y1.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moondoggie71/3077279747/

leftopolis
Dec 4, 2008, 6:40 PM
I realize in part, it's due to the perspective/angle of certain photos--but it's amazing how the behemoths of a couple decades ago, look puny compared to the most recent crop of Strip structures.

RandalR
Dec 4, 2008, 7:06 PM
I realize in part, it's due to the perspective/angle of certain photos--but it's amazing how the behemoths of a couple decades ago, look puny compared to the most recent crop of Strip structures.

It isn't just perspective. TI used to be big - now Palazzo and Wynn make it look like their electrical power shed. :D

leftopolis
Dec 4, 2008, 8:29 PM
It isn't just perspective. TI used to be big - now Palazzo and Wynn make it look like their electrical power shed. :D

Haha--well said. Yeah, TI is one of the one's I had in mind, but also the MGM "Grand"(garden shed?), amongst others! It used to be the one that stuck out the most--I'd even set my bearings by looking for it(and the Strat). Now, you really have to look around to track it down. I suppose C.Center and F-blue will be the new such landmarks.

lfc4life
Dec 4, 2008, 9:37 PM
yeah TI was one of the biggest when i first arrived in las vegas more than 10 years ago, today monte carlo, mirage and TI look short even with the angles in their favour

http://i35.tinypic.com/312iiz4.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moondoggie71/3077782493/sizes/l/in/set-72157610585079855/

its funny to look back on photos like this from 1973 and see how massive Ballys north tower was compared to everything else (then by far the largest hotel in the world)

today it is very difficult to find it on a photo like this :haha:

http://i33.tinypic.com/4iiv4o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadsidepictures/1474464736/

Don Pacho
Dec 5, 2008, 2:02 AM
Mandarin Oriental

As of Thanksgiving weekend





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07694s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07703s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08312s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08313s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08314s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08323s.jpg


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Aaron Auxier
Dec 5, 2008, 4:11 AM
Sorry to get off topic a tad but it is high-rise related and important. Last night, the Las Vegas High Rise Condominium Association (http://lvhca.com/) (see site) threw an awards ceremony at Trader Vics.

It was a great night as the Fountains of Bellagio shooting into the sky was the background.

Awards were given out in several categories including innovative project, marketing, outside agent of the year, etc.

The event was important as it recognized those who worked so hard for the Las Vegas high-rise market in 2008. KUDOS to the LVHCA for throwing the event.

Luckily, I won the award for "Outside Agent Survivor of the Year" (http://activerain.com/blogsview/821374/Last-night-I-was-Awarded-as-the-Survivor-of-the-Year-I-urge-everyone-to-keep-fighting)! I went outside and took the photo in front of CityCenter as a testament to my "battlefield" over the last year - the Strip. :)

http://item.slide.com/r/1/121/i/RldSmFmK5T9HFRUKKMUstQmnh1miX-lj/

ScottG
Dec 5, 2008, 4:45 AM
http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=2420


^^^^overview of the encore commercial - pretty cool that wynn was sitting ontop of the building!


(they had to change it up a bit since he was standing in the first commercial)

you can see the new commercial here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tikkrfNv-08

here is the frst (wynn hotel) commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_RmaJClsg&feature=related

sw5710
Dec 6, 2008, 4:50 AM
<a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050571.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050571.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucke<a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050576.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050576.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>t"></a><a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050589.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050589.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050593.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050593.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> TAKEN ON 12/5/08

CHAPINM1
Dec 6, 2008, 5:54 AM
<a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050571.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050571.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucke<a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050576.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050576.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>t"></a><a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050589.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050589.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/?action=view&current=P1050593.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050593.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> TAKEN ON 12/5/08

I really wish I could see what pictures you were trying to upload! Even though you haven't been on the forum for too long your contributions have been the greatest! Do you have a link to your recient photo update?

sw5710
Dec 6, 2008, 6:15 AM
I really wish I could see what pictures you were trying to upload! Even though you haven't been on the forum for too long your contributions have been the greatest! Do you have a link to your recient photo update?

Im having some minor problems tonight. I'll try again tomorrow. I just got back from vegas and can say 735' 750' now seems right for Fontainebleau as per the inside shots I took at the revolving restaurant from 800' at the Stratosphere tower.

CHAPINM1
Dec 6, 2008, 7:02 AM
Im having some minor problems tonight. I'll try again tomorrow. I just got back from vegas and can say 735' 750' now seems right for Fontainebleau as per the inside shots I took at the revolving restaurant from 800' at the Stratosphere tower.

KICK ASS!!! Can't wait to see and thanks for the info!

sw5710
Dec 6, 2008, 5:59 PM
:banana: KICK ASS!!! Can't wait to see and thanks for the info!


1st shot is from the roof of the stratosphere on the handrail at about 875'. You can see the crains at fontainebleau. THE TOP AT ABOUT 935'

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050586.jpg


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050592.jpg


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http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Dalusion/P1050629.jpg



:cheers: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers:

sw5710
Dec 6, 2008, 6:08 PM
The last shot is from my room at Circus Circus 29th floor

CHAPINM1
Dec 6, 2008, 7:14 PM
:stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: Incredible! You got it from all angles. Cool to see the cores rising above the 2 level crown which could indeed mean extra height. The picture you took from the southwest is probably the best angle since almost all the buildings can be seen. Vdara, Trump, and Fontainebleau make the largest impact in that photo, however Wynn and Encore both pop their heads up as well. Even at 29 floors in your last picture, it seems like your still at street level since the Font completely dwarfs everything around it!

sw5710
Dec 6, 2008, 8:27 PM
:stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: Incredible! You got it from all angles. Cool to see the cores rising above the 2 level crown which could indeed mean extra height. The picture you took from the southwest is probably the best angle since almost all the buildings can be seen. Vdara, Trump, and Fontainebleau make the largest impact in that photo, however Wynn and Encore both pop their heads up as well. Even at 29 floors in your last picture, it seems like your still at street level since the Font completely dwarfs everything around it!

THANKS = CHAPINM1; The 2nd and 3rd picture was from the inside revolving restaurant at 800' above the ground. The distant pictures are from a hill near blue diamond road and buffalo road the top of the hill is 2800' MSL and 7.7 miles from City Center. This is a great shot for compairing building height!

Silas
Dec 7, 2008, 12:48 AM
Chapin,

What's with the interest in F-Blue? Seems like one of the blandest additions to Vegas. I'm not even sure if it is going to be condo or ??? It is tall though.

CHAPINM1
Dec 7, 2008, 1:03 AM
Chapin,

What's with the interest in F-Blue? Seems like one of the blandest additions to Vegas. I'm not even sure if it is going to be condo or ??? It is tall though.

The Font just screams Vegas! Also, it it the biggest addition to Las Vegas. For me it's a huge symbol of progress as the World Jewelry Center will be once that gets going. On the flip side of the coin I don't understand why people are so aw-struck by some of the other projects throughout Vegas. Regarding design, there's nothing bad about it, about 99% of the time you can never go wrong with glass!

Echelon's main tower was also another one I was following, not quite to the extent of Fontainebleau, but I'm still kinda pissed that constructino has been delayed for that project.

leftopolis
Dec 7, 2008, 1:16 AM
Chapin,

What's with the interest in F-Blue? Seems like one of the blandest additions to Vegas. I'm not even sure if it is going to be condo or ??? It is tall though.

I don't know about Chapin, but we are talking about the current new tallest for Las Vegas. A new tallest generates a good deal of excitement in any city, for skyscraper enthusiasts. So it's not the boldest or inspired design possible, but excluding The Srat(which is really a structure as a opposed to a building)--it'll be the new tallest for at least a couple years, even if WorldJewelryCenter starts in a few months(which is iffy at best).

Personally, it's not a big deal to me what the exact hight is--we'll know once it's complete. Suffice it to say, it beats the 2nd tallest, substantially.

on edit:

I wouldn't describe it as bland--how is it blander than Encore or Trump, some of the CC buildings or any recent addition, for that matter? It fits in with all the above.

CHAPINM1
Dec 7, 2008, 2:10 AM
I don't know about Chapin, but we are talking about the current new tallest for Las Vegas. A new tallest generates a good deal of excitement in any city, for skyscraper enthusiasts. So it's not the boldest or inspired design possible, but excluding The Srat(which is really a structure as a opposed to a building)--it'll be the new tallest for at least a couple years, even if WorldJewelryCenter starts in a few months(which is iffy at best).

I'd say this individual does a pretty good job of describing why I'm as interested as I am... :D Plus where talking about Las Vegas, the city where I'll be moving to in 2010.

lfc4life
Dec 7, 2008, 3:58 AM
Chapin,

What's with the interest in F-Blue? Seems like one of the blandest additions to Vegas. I'm not even sure if it is going to be condo or ??? It is tall though.

for me F-Blue marks a milestone in the north strip, its has been decades since a hotel/casino opened there south of sahara blvd yet el rancho, stardust and thunderbird have all met their doom; 18 months ago we were talking about Kerzner/mgm, echelon, crown, plaza and font and only font survived so i suppose that in itself is a huge achievement.

on a personal level, one of the first things i saw when i first visited vegas was the rotting hulk of el rancho the biggest eyesore on the strip, 2 years later i got a chance to go inside and venture to the top floor of the old tower, it will be interesting to go the top floor of F-Blue when the time comes

Don Pacho
Dec 7, 2008, 4:27 AM
Foggy Thanksgiving




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07737s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07738s.jpg


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sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 7:33 AM
F-BLUE will have about 1000 condos and 2800 hotel rooms. The palazzo condo tower has not grown from the last time I was there in november!

sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 7:44 AM
The skyline needed more color. It's good to see the different sized buildings and the colored glass going up! As for the crown levels at F-BLUE can anyone tell what plan they are using? It lookes like a combo or redesign.

lfc4life
Dec 7, 2008, 1:27 PM
The palazzo condo tower has not grown from the last time I was there in november!

thats because sands suspended all building work in las vegas and macau due to increasing chance of them going bankrupt http://www.lvrj.com/business/34259734.html

DrT
Dec 7, 2008, 3:11 PM
F-BLUE will have about 1000 condos and 2800 hotel rooms. The palazzo condo tower has not grown from the last time I was there in november!

I thought that the mix of hotel/condos was undecided. The rumor was, that due to the slow economy, it may be 100% hotel.

Does anyone have any solid info on this?

mdiederi
Dec 7, 2008, 4:32 PM
Ooh, love that fog. A rare sight in Vegas.

mdiederi
Dec 7, 2008, 4:39 PM
el rancho, stardust and thunderbird have all met their doom
El Rancho and Thunderbird were the same place. T-bird changed their name to Silverbird in 1977 and then changed it to El Rancho in 1982.

sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 8:18 PM
thats because sands suspended all building work in las vegas and macau due to increasing chance of them going bankrupt http://www.lvrj.com/business/34259734.html

Yes that is what I heard also. Any Restart date yet?

mac78130
Dec 7, 2008, 8:19 PM
Short video of Steve Wynn behind the scenes, showing that he was actually on the top of Encore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqRgrjkr-dU

sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 8:28 PM
I thought that the mix of hotel/condos was undecided. The rumor was, that due to the slow economy, it may be 100% hotel.

Does anyone have any solid info on this?

I now think that I heard that it could be 100% hotel. The other numbers that I posted were on vegas today and tomorrow. The Fontainebleau page.

Aaron Auxier
Dec 7, 2008, 8:59 PM
Developers need to wake up and smell the coffee - condo hotel product is dead. Lenders do not want to touch it and buyers all want to know what their "cash flow" is going to be, which is an SEC violation for Realtors and on-site sales teams to talk about.

Trying to launch a new condotel product right now would be real estate suicide and the refusal of developers to accept that harms our market more and more as more projects sit empty or finally get "cancelled".

However, I do like Palms Place but that is because George Maloof is smart and only built 599 units. Palms Place is in its own world (the world of celebrity hip cool and beautiful people). The product quality is spot on too. I'd love to see a developer try to replicate the quality of Palms Place right now or in the near future for anywhere near what is cost Maloof - not happening.

As far as Cosmo, I like it because it is direct on Strip and has balconies. Other than that, I say a reality check is in order. Then again, I tried to warn developers of that two years ago and they didn't listen.

sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 10:18 PM
Developers need to wake up and smell the coffee - condo hotel product is dead. Lenders do not want to touch it and buyers all want to know what their "cash flow" is going to be, which is an SEC violation for Realtors and on-site sales teams to talk about.

Trying to launch a new condotel product right now would be real estate suicide and the refusal of developers to accept that harms our market more and more as more projects sit empty or finally get "cancelled".

However, I do like Palms Place but that is because George Maloof is smart and only built 599 units. Palms Place is in its own world (the world of celebrity hip cool and beautiful people). The product quality is spot on too. I'd love to see a developer try to replicate the quality of Palms Place right now or in the near future for anywhere near what is cost Maloof - not happening.

As far as Cosmo, I like it because it is direct on Strip and has balconies. Other than that, I say a reality check is in order. Then again, I tried to warn developers of that two years ago and they didn't listen.

Do you think current projects going up will need to convert condo's to hotel rooms to deal with that situation?

lfc4life
Dec 7, 2008, 10:21 PM
El Rancho and Thunderbird were the same place. T-bird changed their name to Silverbird in 1977 and then changed it to El Rancho in 1982.

original el rancho burned down in 1960 across from sahara hotel

CHAPINM1
Dec 7, 2008, 10:30 PM
I could see the Font going all hotel. If it were to be all hotel, wouldn't it be the tallest all hotel project in the USA? The current tallest all hotel project I can think of is the Westin in Atlanta which stands 723 feet and was built in 1976.

mac78130
Dec 7, 2008, 10:34 PM
Mirage volcano launched tomorrow, they've added a cam facing the volcano

http://www.mirage.com/attractions/volcano.aspx

preview : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwcSP_00bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjQY5Ewnvo

ondarox
Dec 7, 2008, 10:50 PM
Mirage volcano launched tomorrow, they've added a cam facing the volcano

http://www.mirage.com/attractions/volcano.aspx

preview : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwcSP_00bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjQY5Ewnvo

Wow! Great finds- thanks for sharing. I will be there in about two weeks and am staying at the Mirage- talk about perfect timing.

Don Pacho
Dec 7, 2008, 11:47 PM
The Harmon Hotel

As of Thanksgiving weekend




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07676s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07714s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07721s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08326s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08344s.jpg


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CHAPINM1
Dec 7, 2008, 11:54 PM
Don Pacho, you also have done some incredable work! My favorite pictures that you got detailed shots of was the Mandarin Oriental Hotel. On a side note, the Harmon still looks a long ways from being complete and will be the last of any of the project to top out at City Center by a long shot...

sw5710
Dec 7, 2008, 11:58 PM
I could see the Font going all hotel. If it were to be all hotel, wouldn't it be the tallest all hotel project in the USA? The current tallest all hotel project I can think of is the Westin in Atlanta which stands 723 feet and was built in 1976.

The westin peachtree Plaza in Atlanta is 70 floors 723' to the roof 883' to the top of the antenna. The Detroit Marriott is 70 floors 727' to the roof 755' to the top of the antenna. Will the Font be 723' or 735' to the top of the highest point???

sw5710
Dec 8, 2008, 12:01 AM
I like the colors of glass on the Harmon!

CHAPINM1
Dec 8, 2008, 12:08 AM
The westin peachtree Plaza in Atlanta is 70 floors 723' to the roof 883' to the top of the antenna. The Detroit Marriott is 70 floors 727' to the roof 755' to the top of the antenna. Will the Font be 723' or 735' to the top of the highest point???

Antenna's are not included in the total height. The Font will be at least 730 feet at its heighest point and that's structural height. However; if it's something built into as part of the structure as an entire such as a spire, then it counts.

sw5710
Dec 8, 2008, 12:21 AM
Antenna's are not included in the total height. The Font will be at least 730 feet at its heighest point and that's structural height. However; if it's something built into as part of the structure as an entire such as a spire, then it counts.

At over 730 feet that should qualify it as tallest hotel in the USA!

leftopolis
Dec 8, 2008, 1:30 AM
I like the colors of glass on the Harmon!

...and they're wickedly reflective! With the curved shape to the building, there are so many angles being reflected, it gives the impression of being plastered with a bunch of giant LCD screens.

sw5710
Dec 8, 2008, 2:11 AM
The Balagio hotel has a great model of city center.

Seva
Dec 8, 2008, 4:34 AM
Any new photos of downtown? What's the status of that huge mixed use project, the one by the Market Center. I hope it hasn't been cancelled due to the recession.

mdiederi
Dec 8, 2008, 6:11 AM
Union Park? A lot of new roads and infrastructure are underconstruction there.

Seva
Dec 8, 2008, 6:50 AM
That's good. I was wondering about it when I read an article on the theater that they were planning to build there this morning.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/35674249.html

Unless I am mistaken, it used to be a different color when first revealed. Now it is white.

heyyoucharlie
Dec 8, 2008, 10:31 AM
Image from the above link...

http://media.lvrj.com/images/3163816.jpg
Link: http://media.lvrj.com/images/3163816.jpg

You are correct. The original color was more tan/beige/pink color.

Seen in this model:
http://media.lvrj.com/images/3146386.jpg

IMO, To me the white looks great!!!

VegasMatt
Dec 8, 2008, 7:14 PM
That's good. I was wondering about it when I read an article on the theater that they were planning to build there this morning.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/35674249.html

Unless I am mistaken, it used to be a different color when first revealed. Now it is white.

They originally wanted to use limestone but decided to use the red metaquartizite from a local quarry in to be more environmentally friendly.
When they discovered they would still earn LEED certification even if they did use limestone, they changed it.
I’m glad they did. It looks far better.

There is more info here:

http://www.lvpacfoundation.org/uploads/10-24-08LasVegasSun.doc

mac78130
Dec 8, 2008, 10:51 PM
Looks like the last crane at Vdara is being taken down, flickr photo by
sheniferous

http://flickr.com/photos/sheniferous/3093947214/

mac78130
Dec 8, 2008, 11:35 PM
Seems there are problems at Allure... "yellowish water color" yuck !

RandalR
Dec 9, 2008, 2:11 AM
Seems there are problems at Allure... "yellowish water color" yuck !

I would think compared to bullet holes in the north-facing windows, yellow water would be nothing. :D :haha:

Allure is one tower that was built about ten years too early. It's best years won't come until the surrounding area gets redeveloped.

Aaron Auxier
Dec 9, 2008, 2:19 AM
Do you think current projects going up will need to convert condo's to hotel rooms to deal with that situation?

When it comes to condotel, it really depends on what happens to "condotel financing" (which is more strict than residential financing). Currently, lenders are very weary of condotel product and are demanding huge down payments.

Also, one has to look at supply vs. demand. Many times, people just walk into a sales center without any knowledge and buy away. Or they work with someone who doesn't know the high-rise market.

To this day, the media refuses to report the true numbers of "residential" high-rise condos directly on the Strip. They just keep saying "tens of thousands of units" in Vegas. In addition, they love to blend mid-rise and condotel product in their numbers (we can thank some of our local "experts" for that).



Why are residential high-rise condos so hard to build on the Strip?

The media never seems to talk about hard and soft "replacement costs". Hard meaning land, supplies, and construction, etc. Soft meaning planning, marketing, zoning, permits, etc.

And they never talk about how strict fire codes in Clark County affect development costs. The strict fire codes were put in place because of the devastating MGM fire in 1980 which killed over 80 people.

The Resort Corridor is only approx. four-miles long. Most developers need to use their prime-location Strip land for income-producing assets such as a casino or hotel.

Myself and a few others have formed a small team to combat this issue and will hopefully drop some well researched and non-deniable news to the media soon. It shall be interesting to see if they choose to report it.

I'm not here to say all is well, just want the facts reported. When it comes to DIRECT Strip residential high-rise condos, people don't realize there is only approx. 1,900 units done, under way, or planned (in comparison to over 8,400 condotel units on and off Strip).



Strip residential high-rise condos (complete, under construction, or planned as of Dec. 2008)

Approx. 409 at Sky (complete)
Approx. 227 at Mandarin (2009)
Approx. 674 at Veer (2009)
Approx. 207 at The Harmon (2009)
Approx. 398 at St. Regis (delayed)


Total Residential high-rise condos on the Strip = Approx. 1,915 as of Dec. 08. (and we don't even know the fate of St. Regis)


In comparison...


Strip and off Strip high-rise condotel (complete, under construction, or planned as of Dec. 2008)

Approx. 2000 at Cosmopolitan (2010)
Approx. 1543 at Vdara (2009)
Approx. 599 at Palms Place (complete)
Approx. 1728 at Signature (complete)
Approx. 255 at Platinum (complete)
Approx. 1282 at Trump (complete)
Approx. 1000 at Fontainebleau (planned)

Total high-rise condotel units on and off the Strip = Approx. 8,407 as of Dec. 08.

Bruce911
Dec 9, 2008, 2:23 AM
original el rancho burned down in 1960 across from sahara hotel

Not quite! That was the El Rancho Vegas, the first hotel built on The Strip, not the El Rancho, which came in the 1980's. It is so disappointing to see people confusing them, calling them the new or old or original El Rancho. There was only one El Rancho and one El Rancho Vegas. It's not confusing if you simply be sure to include the word Vegas if you mean the one built on the west side of The Strip, in 1941, and do not use the word Vegas if you mean the one on the east side of The Strip, from the 1980's. Hope this helps clarify things.

ScottG
Dec 9, 2008, 5:37 AM
interesting - from vegas 4 visitors:

The Welcome Back Award of the Week goes to the Mirage Volcano, which begins erupting anew today, December 8. The long-running attraction was shut down for most of this year while it got a $25 million upgrade to the special effects, sound system, and soundtrack.

Speaking of the Volcano, the Seriously Crazy Award of the Week goes to Robbie Knievel who will reportedly attempt to jump the thing on New Year's Eve for a Fox TV special. Knievel's father Evel tried to jump the Caesars Palace fountains on New Year's Eve back in 1967 and wound up in a coma with a couple of dozen broken bones.



BTW they changed the mirage signage within the lagoon - the font is the newer wynn signature..(that is wynns signature spelling out mirage right?-so he now has his handwritting all over vegas?!) - the g and the y are similiar.

i doubt they will redo the hotel tower signages tho

Don Pacho
Dec 10, 2008, 2:12 AM
Palazzo Condo Tower





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07415s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC07470s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08183s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/donpacho/Part%20Two/DSC08190s.jpg



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Krases
Dec 10, 2008, 2:36 AM
I am confused...is that St. Regis then?

mdiederi
Dec 10, 2008, 2:43 AM
Yes

Krases
Dec 10, 2008, 3:06 AM
Is construction renewed yet?

leftopolis
Dec 10, 2008, 3:40 AM
No.

CHAPINM1
Dec 10, 2008, 3:44 AM
Great shots again Don Pacho! I was wondering what progress at St. Regis was looking like...

If I'm not mistaken, would the World Jewelry Center location technically be under site prep?

DMaldon762
Dec 10, 2008, 3:44 AM
they should at least finish the podium level and remove the jersey barriers on it

sw5710
Dec 10, 2008, 3:50 AM
What street is the World Jewelry Center location on?

mdiederi
Dec 10, 2008, 4:20 AM
If I'm not mistaken, would the World Jewelry Center location technically be under site prep?
I don't think so. Looks like they're just building the infrastructure around where it will go.


What street is the World Jewelry Center location on?
Grand Central Parkway to the westnorthwest, West Carson Avenue to the south, and City Parkway to the eastnortheast.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/WJC/WJClobbyfloor.jpg

Seva
Dec 10, 2008, 4:40 AM
Hopefully the Mayor is right and World Jewelry Center has groundbreaking early next year as planned.

http://i38.tinypic.com/4uigt4.jpg

sw5710
Dec 10, 2008, 4:57 AM
"THANKS ALL" :yes:

CHAPINM1
Dec 10, 2008, 5:11 AM
If you all think I have massive interest in Fontainebleau, just wait until the World Jewelry Center starts, lol...

Krases
Dec 10, 2008, 5:43 AM
If you all think I have massive interest in Fontainebleau, just wait until the World Jewelry Center starts, lol...

Yeah I know, thats going to be pretty cool. Kinda the centerpiece of union park.

Now if only there was a website were I could access some sort of diagram and compare its size to other large buildings here in Vegas. IF ONLY.

sw5710
Dec 10, 2008, 6:53 AM
I wonder if there will be an observation deck or restaurant on top?

mac78130
Dec 10, 2008, 1:40 PM
Veer towers almost complete. Veer west seems to be topped out while Veer east is on the 35th floor.. Photo from flickr by bendk97

http://flickr.com/photos/24295646@N07/3097169469/

ScottG
Dec 10, 2008, 2:53 PM
the new mirage volcanoe is amazing - i highly recommend anyone seeing it - the entire lake (er lagoon) lights up - think bellagio fountains - remove the water, insert fire. - really great!

mdiederi
Dec 10, 2008, 3:05 PM
Now if only there was a website were I could access some sort of diagram and compare its size to other large buildings here in Vegas. IF ONLY.
Emporis (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=101318&bt=2&ht=2&sro=0) used to be a good site for that, but it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while, they don't even have Fontainebeau listed and Trump and Palms Place are listed as still under construction.

Seva
Dec 10, 2008, 5:50 PM
I wonder if there will be an observation deck or restaurant on top?

Don't think so, but there is probably a reason as letting lots of people in the tower will be a big security risk for a building with millions of dollars of precious gems.

The tower will be open to those in the trade only; the very upper floors wil be condos reserved for tenants of the tower.

The public will only have the lowest two levels which will be mixed use retail.

If you all think I have massive interest in Fontainebleau, just wait until the World Jewelry Center starts, lol...

It may be the only building under construction during the next few years, so you'll have no other choice but to be interested in it.

Like Fontainebleau, the only resort to survive on the north strip, for another building to be started in the current economic climate will be impressive in itself and will extend the period of continuous skyscraper construction in our city.

Looks great at night too.
http://i36.tinypic.com/t0s3d5.jpg