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True Blue
Jan 16, 2009, 1:54 AM
It sounds like Trump is now in the leasing business. In order to fill the empty building, they've decided to lease out the rooms on a monthly bases. You can stay in a studio on a years lease for $1,600 mo and a one bedroom for $2,600. I’ve also heard the nightly rates are under $100 per night. Soon you can stay at the Trump for less that what Circus-Circus is charging.

fishordie
Jan 16, 2009, 2:25 AM
I kinda agree. It could be a lot worse (like completely excavating/removing the mountain) but I do think that a lot more could have been done to preserve the shape of the mountains. Natural desert parks/hiking trails should be used if any expansion is done outside of whats already been built.

I hope Vegas doesn't turn into LA. I think more should be done to prevent too much expansion into the mountains. I think sprawl would be very bad for Vegas and more should be done to increase density/public transport.

Sorry I have to bash you Aaron. It does look pretty cool in a design sense and the privacy that the mountains provide is very nice, but I think there needs to be less expansion into the desert and more conservation.


So here is the dilemma, Vegas and the surrounding communities are left beholden to income derived from the strip, gambling or the periphral services that cater to these industries or we make attractive to new businesses and high end patrons who could bring their businesses or their retirement income to the area. I have to agree with Aaron for the following reason. The gambling industry got away from its roots as I have noted for quite some time. A great getaway for a short period of time at a reasonable rate. In exchange the patrons left a bit of their children's inheritance at the tables, shows, eateries and hotels. They came to Vegas in droves and looked forward to their next visit. Today, even with the significant hotel price reductions, the cost of visiting Vegas is just not giving enough of a reward as all the attractions and costs are out of sight due to high rents or debt.

We can no longer assume the revenue generated by visitors bent on gambling and partying will keep Vegas and the surrounding areas in reasonable paying jobs or maintain the infrastructure. Who better than the high end folks who can afford magnificent places like Aaron is describing. I may not be convinced the model the group Aaron is referring to will work but I am hoping it does as the demographic it is catering to brings lots of cash with little cost to the city. I assume the majority of these folks will not have kids using public schools and may in fact cause to be created a private school environment. These will also be folks not looking to cause undue burden on state or city run aid centers, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. To the contrary they will be providing the state with an influx of sales taxable purchased items and goods creating additional demand for jobs to cater to these same folks. Though I have complete disdain for Casinos to cater to the transient elite I realize the high end home owner brings a large array of support businesses, create infrastructure and jobs and bring financial wherewithal where ever they go. This demographic generally provides the most state or city dollars in exchange for their luxury environment.

I believe this endeavor will be different from places like Lake Las Vegas or other supposedly elite communities that failed in that now buyers and the homes will actually have to qualify for loans thus requiring them to put some skin in the game so to speak in that 5 or 10% down is just not going to happen nor are appraisers just going to agree to sales prices blindly. Larger down payments will insure those residents will be here for the long run.

Many gambling establishments, in my opinion, are well on their way to bankruptcy. Though jobs are being created to support the new or remodeled establishments there is just not enough revenue to pay much more than low wages and minimal benefits such as insurance or ???. The demand for these jobs is still enormous with way more applications than jobs. The ridiculous
debt burden these places have taken on is just not a recipe for success nor will the employees be paid anywhere near what similar jobs paid in the past.


In my long winded way, I am supporting the project Aaron is involved with though I am still not convinced it will succeed. I hope Aaron can convince us all differently as a successful community like this would be a financial boon to the area.

The reality of this not so brave new world is the middle class is shrinking.
The rich are plenty rich and support those who went the other way from losing much of what they owned. The state and cities are going to need an influx of new monies and sources of revenue and a project like this can certainly be a great start in changing the dynamic of what funds the area.
Best of luck to the project.

By the way Aaron, the recipe to making Vegas the way it was and should be is to allow those overly indebted projects to go into bankruptcy. Let the owners lose their fannies, assuming they have that kind of skin in the game,
and stop placing the responsibility for paying that debt on the patrons. Shame on the developers and shame on the lenders but the "People" are now in charge and not the developers. The people demand value and pleasure and really could care less about 50 million dollar paintings or Ferrari dealerships in the hotel. Sure they attract the looky loos but almost none of those folks are spending monies. Stop making Vegas the most expensive place to eat in all of the country. Sure great eateries are wonderful but the folks who pay the overhead want value NOT 50 dollar steaks and 400 dollar bottles of wine. GET RID OF THE DEBT and stop over building income producing facilities. There is just no good that can come of it.

As in our country and businesses the numbers just got out of hand. In the old days we saved our pennies. Today a million dollars is not even saved like pennies once were. Heck, in Government Billions are now spent like pennies.
We must retrain everyone, including the bloated developers, on how to save monies and recognize income producing properties, businesses or projects, must be able to pencil out not only in boom times but in moderate times as well. Folks forgot the economy can go down as well as up and everyone who did not prepare, including those crazy developers, were left upside down when the economy collapsed. Alas, the only problem with the bankruptcies is ultimately it will be we, the tax payers, who will provide the bailout which may or may not succeed. Again, the "People" have to demand more from their developers and more from their representatives in government.

Okay, Im done for now

FOD

Aaron Auxier
Jan 16, 2009, 6:13 AM
So here is the dilemma, Vegas and the surrounding communities are left beholden to income derived from the strip, gambling or the periphral services that cater to these industries or we make attractive to new businesses and high end patrons who could bring their businesses or their retirement income to the area. I have to agree with Aaron for the following reason. The gambling industry got away from its roots as I have noted for quite some time. A great getaway for a short period of time at a reasonable rate. In exchange the patrons left a bit of their children's inheritance at the tables, shows, eateries and hotels. They came to Vegas in droves and looked forward to their next visit. Today, even with the significant hotel price reductions, the cost of visiting Vegas is just not giving enough of a reward as all the attractions and costs are out of sight due to high rents or debt.

We can no longer assume the revenue generated by visitors bent on gambling and partying will keep Vegas and the surrounding areas in reasonable paying jobs or maintain the infrastructure. Who better than the high end folks who can afford magnificent places like Aaron is describing. I may not be convinced the model the group Aaron is referring to will work but I am hoping it does as the demographic it is catering to brings lots of cash with little cost to the city. I assume the majority of these folks will not have kids using public schools and may in fact cause to be created a private school environment. These will also be folks not looking to cause undue burden on state or city run aid centers, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. To the contrary they will be providing the state with an influx of sales taxable purchased items and goods creating additional demand for jobs to cater to these same folks. Though I have complete disdain for Casinos to cater to the transient elite I realize the high end home owner brings a large array of support businesses, create infrastructure and jobs and bring financial wherewithal where ever they go. This demographic generally provides the most state or city dollars in exchange for their luxury environment.

I believe this endeavor will be different from places like Lake Las Vegas or other supposedly elite communities that failed in that now buyers and the homes will actually have to qualify for loans thus requiring them to put some skin in the game so to speak in that 5 or 10% down is just not going to happen nor are appraisers just going to agree to sales prices blindly. Larger down payments will insure those residents will be here for the long run.

Many gambling establishments, in my opinion, are well on their way to bankruptcy. Though jobs are being created to support the new or remodeled establishments there is just not enough revenue to pay much more than low wages and minimal benefits such as insurance or ???. The demand for these jobs is still enormous with way more applications than jobs. The ridiculous
debt burden these places have taken on is just not a recipe for success nor will the employees be paid anywhere near what similar jobs paid in the past.


In my long winded way, I am supporting the project Aaron is involved with though I am still not convinced it will succeed. I hope Aaron can convince us all differently as a successful community like this would be a financial boon to the area.

The reality of this not so brave new world is the middle class is shrinking.
The rich are plenty rich and support those who went the other way from losing much of what they owned. The state and cities are going to need an influx of new monies and sources of revenue and a project like this can certainly be a great start in changing the dynamic of what funds the area.
Best of luck to the project.

By the way Aaron, the recipe to making Vegas the way it was and should be is to allow those overly indebted projects to go into bankruptcy. Let the owners lose their fannies, assuming they have that kind of skin in the game,
and stop placing the responsibility for paying that debt on the patrons. Shame on the developers and shame on the lenders but the "People" are now in charge and not the developers. The people demand value and pleasure and really could care less about 50 million dollar paintings or Ferrari dealerships in the hotel. Sure they attract the looky loos but almost none of those folks are spending monies. Stop making Vegas the most expensive place to eat in all of the country. Sure great eateries are wonderful but the folks who pay the overhead want value NOT 50 dollar steaks and 400 dollar bottles of wine. GET RID OF THE DEBT and stop over building income producing facilities. There is just no good that can come of it.

As in our country and businesses the numbers just got out of hand. In the old days we saved our pennies. Today a million dollars is not even saved like pennies once were. Heck, in Government Billions are now spent like pennies.
We must retrain everyone, including the bloated developers, on how to save monies and recognize income producing properties, businesses or projects, must be able to pencil out not only in boom times but in moderate times as well. Folks forgot the economy can go down as well as up and everyone who did not prepare, including those crazy developers, were left upside down when the economy collapsed. Alas, the only problem with the bankruptcies is ultimately it will be we, the tax payers, who will provide the bailout which may or may not succeed. Again, the "People" have to demand more from their developers and more from their representatives in government.

Okay, Im done for now

FOD

Good post fishordie.

Aaron Auxier
Jan 16, 2009, 6:50 AM
The name of Trump International Hotel & Tower Las Vegas has changed. The new name is Trump Hotel Las Vegas.

Like a wildfire, the news has hit the community about the competitive rates at Trump Hotel Las Vegas when it comes to long term leases. Long-term leases are offered on different cost terms depending on length of contract. (including three-, six-month, and one year leases).

Tonight, I was inside the top-floor penthouses at both Trump Hotel Las Vegas and Palms Place. Both properties offer quite the value to our city. I think it's genius what Trump Hotel Las Vegas has started as far as getting long-term bodies into this building. Now, we need to watch what Palms Place does.

I'll tell you what, Vdara and Cosmo better be paying attention. Trump's move is one of intelligent and pro-active thinking. One which removes inventory away from the saturated condotel scene in Vegas. How anyone plans on closing NEW condotels within the next year somewhat boggles me (I don't care how "better their product is" than anyone elses).

The day has hit where condotel buildings in Vegas are becoming ease-of-use "residential use" properties. At these prices Trump is offering, along with the fine amenities and ease of living, I'm intrigued.

And to those who think everything I contribute has a sales angle - My business is in luxury SALES and high-profile representation - not leasing. It is referral based within a tight-nit community, not web-forum based. Any other member who posted this info would be thanked for providing such cutting-edge information.

If I keep getting attacked, my posts (which I go out of my way to offer after long days of hard work) will cease. I don't have time for drama.


Notice the competitive long-term rates for studios, one bedrooms, and penthouses at bottom left.

http://item.slide.com/r/1/19/i/1PkscWgFzj959VLSUf0K7rRQI2GIp4Jy/

LMich
Jan 16, 2009, 10:53 AM
Just got here (I check this very sporadically), and I must reiterate, if it simply wasn't known, that we don't allow commercial advertising, here, especially under the guise of trying to cram it into a personal post.

I don't want to see this, again. This is not a forum for businesspersons to peddle their wares.

leftopolis
Jan 16, 2009, 11:01 AM
HEAVEN ON EARTH: New LV residents (and there are many) say positives far outweigh negatives (http://www.lvrj.com/business/37701219.html)
Las Vegas ranks as No. 1 big-city destination in 2008
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

To hear recent transplants tell it, Las Vegas is like New York, with more opportunity and warmer winters. Or Boston, without the ticks and the snow. Or Dallas, with mountains.

In fact, the newbies we tracked down for this story all described Las Vegas as a veritable nirvana of life and career potential, all cloaked in great weather, gorgeous scenery and every kind of recreation you can imagine. That's why the city's above-average unemployment and struggling housing market didn't deter them -- nor thousands of others, according to a new national report -- from decamping those major national cities for Southern Nevada in 2008.

The study, from Relocation.com, says Las Vegas ranked as the No. 1 big-city destination last year for Americans making long-distance, out-of-state moves. The Web site, which provides moving advice and services, predicts Las Vegas will remain at the top in 2009 as well.

Of course, because of the economy, locals are leaving in droves, too. That's why Nevada has fallen from No. 1 to No. 8 among U.S. states for population growth based on U.S. Census numbers, and it's why statistics from Clark County show the area shrank by 10,000 residents from July 2007 to July 2008.

Still, Las Vegas remains tops among folks moving long distances. On the Relocation.com list, it beat out Denver; Charlotte, N.C.; Phoenix; Portland, Ore.; Seattle; Orlando, Fla.; Washington, D.C.; Atlanta; and Tampa Bay-St. Petersburg, Fla.

Credit factors both economic and climatic, said Brian Gordon, a principal with local economic-research firm Applied Analysis.

Maybe the Las Vegas economy is soft, but pockets of the local community provide more job opportunities than some Midwestern and East Coast economies. Also, low taxes and mild weather continue to draw retirees. Plus, the city is more affordable today, with housing prices plummeting from their 2005 highs, Gordon said.cont'd at link

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 11:43 AM
Encore Las Vegas has almost been opened for a month. Hopefully we will hear about it's opening success by the end of this month.
flickr photo by K&H (http://flickr.com/photos/kejie-hong/3190096813/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3190096813_4702f84f5f_b.jpg

Hans Gruber
Jan 16, 2009, 2:05 PM
The photographic excellence of mdiederi. Mark's photographic talent makes the board worth visiting regularly. His pictures raise the standard. Just look at the picture above taken by mac78130, nicely done!

All of us who visit Vegas regularly but live in other cities want to see lots of pics of the new developments. Keep them coming!

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 2:55 PM
Just look at the picture above taken by mac78130, nicely done!



That picture was taken by K&H from flickr (http://flickr.com/photos/kejie-hong/3190096813/) I search the web for news, photos and bring them here to share with my skyscraper friends:notacrook: By the years end I will be able to provide my personal pics as I will be in Vegas for the opening of Aria.

RandalR
Jan 16, 2009, 4:14 PM
It sounds like Trump is now in the leasing business. In order to fill the empty building, they've decided to lease out the rooms on a monthly bases. You can stay in a studio on a years lease for $1,600 mo and a one bedroom for $2,600. I’ve also heard the nightly rates are under $100 per night. Soon you can stay at the Trump for less that what Circus-Circus is charging.

The rental idea makes sense for Trump - and maybe for all of the other proposed condotel properties as well. They just aren't conducive to long-term residency - unless some people actually like living in hermetically sealed hotel rooms. :yuck: People with the money and desire to live on the Strip permanently will gravitate toward Turnberry Place or Sky, anyway - and there are plenty of resale units available.

Las Vegas isn't going to solve its long-term economic problems until it voluntarily undergoes a massive clean-up of government and judicial corruption - like the kind of payoff-to-look-the-other-way that led to the Harmon's failure. Short of an FBI takeover of city and county government, I don't see that happening. Too many political players like things the way they are. So Las Vegas will remain a fun place for people to move after they have made their money somewhere else, but the tax base will remain narrow.

Businesses from other states won't locate here in any great numbers because they know for a fact the playing field isn't level - you have to pay to play. Honestly, I think most California cities have become at least as bad over the last two decades, but Las Vegas has a much larger perception problem, plus it has to deal with the stigma of legalized gambling that will permanently scare away financial services firms.

vanlaw
Jan 16, 2009, 4:39 PM
" ... the project Aaron is involved with though I am still not convinced it will succeed. I hope Aaron can convince us all differently ... "

Well, if he wants to try to do that in an appropriate forum, more power to him. But please not on this forum. That project is completely unrelated to skyscrapers, and it should not be discussed here, on a blog which is very clearly called "SkyscraperPage."

I agree 100% with BuildemBig when he says "This isn't a Real Estate blog" and when he says "the endless self-promotion has got to stop." Much of what Aaron posts here is simply thinly disguised and indirect advertising for his realty business, which he constantly refers to. Please keep Ascaya and Aaron's realty business off this SkyscraperPage. Thanks.

This is not in direct defence of Aaron but just want to point something out. This site is not just for highrisies, it is a discussion for all types of real estate development, infrasturcture, politics, economy etc. Have a look at the Vancouver forum - it thrives on subsections dealing with urban design, transit, retail, politics, airports, sports, 2010 Olympics etc. and many other topics other than just straight up "highrises".

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=161


While I do agree that Aaron should perhaps remove some of the commercial aspects/links from his posts, having lurked on this thread for two years, he adds much more than he detracts.

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 5:31 PM
From the citycenter's construction webcam, it looks like they are working on the crown of the Cosmopolitan Spa tower (or I am seeing things?). Can our Vegas locals confirm this?

http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

ondarox
Jan 16, 2009, 5:37 PM
I am disappointed to see that there is so much angst within this forum for the past few weeks. This morning I logged in and saw that there was over 2 pages of new content added to our forum- which ended up being 2 pages of nearly no new CONTENT. (But for the new pieces of content that were posted- thank you once again!)

This forum works and survives on CONTRIBUTIONS... INFORMATION POSTED BY OUR COMMUNITY... And as just witnessed, our community does not survive on negativity and censorship.

Regardless of whether or not there is a 'plug' or an 'agenda' behind some of the posts- it still is vital information that if not posted here would probably just get absorbed into cyberspace. This forum has an excellent reputation of sharing, informing and exposing the "big picture" of our common Las Vegas construction passion. Everyone has something to share and as long as the posts are professional and credit is given to the proper sources- I don't see how these valued contributors should be told to leave.

If Aaron (or anyone else for that matter...) has given up on this forum- that would be a shame. Each of us should be seen as valued CONTRIBUTORS for our forum. There is a large range of Designers, Realtors, Construction Tradesmen, Photographers, Artists, Business Professionals etc. in this group. Some of us are just lurkers... and some lurk (or chime in) from all points in the world. Regardless, isn't it amazing to see so many people from such diverse areas and backgrounds contributing nearly 300 pages of information on Las Vegas and construction?

If you don't like the content- keep scrolling. If you feel the need to flame on ANYONE who is a contributor- please do so in a professional way and send them a private message.

Regardless- I don't want to lose any contributors to our forum... it is quiet enough as it is.

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 6:34 PM
The Crystals is starting to take shape

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/citycenter.jpg
http://www.polotowers.com/centerstrip_cam.html

DMaldon762
Jan 16, 2009, 7:21 PM
Any new M-Resort pics? They have got to be getting close to finishing. That place seems to have just started yesterday and they will be opening in a couple of months.

justdefended
Jan 16, 2009, 7:52 PM
Any new M-Resort pics? They have got to be getting close to finishing. That place seems to have just started yesterday and they will be opening in a couple of months.

I passed by this last week and it's shaping up to be a really great looking property. The glass tower is short but fully transparent in the corners. The main hotel signage is up and all the new restaurants are flashing across the LED screen.

Also, last week I was at the pool area of Planet Hollywood which has a great shot of CityCenter. It's pretty stunning to be standing near this giant development of modern buildings on the strip. Really, I think for the first time architecture and scale will be a huge draw rather than a theme or strip-front attraction.

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 8:33 PM
Hunter from ratevegas.com has added a large batch of Encore pics on flickr. Check them out here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lasvegas)

philip
Jan 16, 2009, 10:20 PM
Here is a video of the restaurant "Switch" at Encore Las Vegas. The restaurant's walls and ceilings changes every 20 minutes. Another first for Las Vegas !

XHUTUB1L7Io

mac78130
Jan 16, 2009, 10:37 PM
Now that's a cool restaurant :tup:

justdefended
Jan 16, 2009, 10:54 PM
Here is a video of the restaurant "Switch" at Encore Las Vegas. The restaurant's walls and ceilings changes every 20 minutes. Another first for Las Vegas !

XHUTUB1L7Io

Wow thanks for that!

I passed by and the menu looked great; a mix of $$ and $$$$ items.

ondarox
Jan 17, 2009, 1:16 AM
Here is a video of the restaurant "Switch" at Encore Las Vegas. The restaurant's walls and ceilings changes every 20 minutes. Another first for Las Vegas !

XHUTUB1L7Io

Holy crap- that's awesome! I was wondering when we would hear stories about Switch and when the first YouTube would be revealed. Has anyone ate here yet or actually witnessed the transformation? I'm just baffled at teh engineering of the entire thing- awesome.

leftopolis
Jan 17, 2009, 1:47 AM
Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand--here's the crux of Las Vegas problems--it's a one industry town, just as Detroit is. In both cases, the only solution is to:

1) Evolve the one industry to make it competetive to the current times.

The recent boom on the strip has been tranforming it into a place for the moneyed elite vs the place for the masses it once was...meanwhile the economy transformed into a culture that doesn't spend extravagantly. The business model of being forced to pay for cabs to get around, $300 rooms and $100/person dinner tabs--isn't gonna fly in this economy--and Circus-Circus is a little too kid-centric, if that's the only option for a middle-class gaming tourist.

2) Diversify the economy--so that the metro doesn't have to rely on the one industry.

Income down 69 percent at Nevada Casinos (http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/37724134.html)By HOWARD STUTZ
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Profits for Nevada casinos fell 69 percent in the last fiscal year that ended June 30, according to a report today from the Nevada Gaming Control Board.

Frank Streshley, the agency’s chief research analyst, said the total net income of $721.2 million generated by 266 casinos that grossed $1 million or more in gaming revenues was the lowest total since fiscal 2002, when casinos lost $33.5 million.

The figures from the Gaming Abstract Report take into account the total revenues spent by casino patrons on gaming, rooms, food and beverage and other amenities. Profit or net income is the amount retained after expenses have been paid but prior to deducting federal income taxes or other accounting expenses...continued @ link above

mdiederi
Jan 17, 2009, 4:36 AM
From the citycenter's construction webcam, it looks like they are working on the crown of the Cosmopolitan Spa tower (or I am seeing things?). Can our Vegas locals confirm this?

http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

Yes, drove by today, they are installing a steel frame up there, starting on the west end, so it must be topped out and the crown is going up. Also noticed that what looked like a white fence on top of the Mandarin Oriental is getting covered with some siding, thank god.

Krases
Jan 17, 2009, 5:02 AM
@leftopolis

I was thinking about that today. A city this big needs to diversify. But how can we diversify? Some ideas:

-Increase the size and funding of UNLV. Make the city attractive to the tech industry and possibly expand the "college town" around UNLV. Becoming a major research center could make us the next silicon valley. The uni is already set up on a plot of land large enough to contain much larger structures and research facilities. This is a bit self centered I guess because I myself am a UNLV student.

-Build more varying attractions. A giant roller coaster park on the scale of six flags near Ivanpah next to the new potential airport could attract new demographics so long as a rapid transit system is provided to and from the strip. The art scene in Vegas is also getting a lot larger and I think that the addition of a major museum and possibly an "artists colony" could mix things up a bit.

-Make the city an energy producer. Build a massive solar collection area near the dry lake beds around Boulder City. Clark County could get federal funding for this and all that new power could be sold to California. The efficiency of solar cells isn't there yet, but in maybe a decade this could be possible. Unfortunately Clark County isn't very good for wind power.

Using spoiler tags on this idea that some of you are morally against. Note that I am not kidding about this.
-This is sin city right? Well lets go the distance. Prostitution hasn't been in the news lately but its still there. Sex is a big part of this town. I say that we legalize it and tax the hell out of it. Prostitutes are often abused by pimps or are dependent upon them for drugs and are usually driven into poverty. A system of STD/drug testing (similar to what is done a few miles away in Pahrump) and possibly a licensing system for brothels to ensure a clean environment to execute the trade. This could end abuses and provide a massive new source of income to the city. It would also kick the Indian casino's and Atlantic city in the balls. I think our image could also improve so long as these brothels are presented as amazing palatial harem buildings as opposed to sleezy dens of sleeziness portrayed in movies. A two part episode of CSI Las Vegas could help present these brothels to the nation in the right way...I cant believe how many people watched that freaking show.

mac78130
Jan 17, 2009, 7:33 AM
Yes, drove by today, they are installing a steel frame up there, starting on the west end, so it must be topped out and the crown is going up. Also noticed that what looked like a white fence on top of the Mandarin Oriental is getting covered with some siding, thank god.

Thanks mdiederi. I guess the spa tower topped out around 53 floors. That means the beach tower should top out soon.

leftopolis
Jan 17, 2009, 10:12 AM
Krases said: (edited for brevity)
I was thinking about that today. A city this big needs to diversify. But how can we diversify? Some ideas:

-Increase the size and funding of UNLV...

-Build more varying attractions...

-Make the city an energy producer...

-Legalized Prostitution...


All good ideas worthy of further discussion. I couldn't agree more about the university. Inspiring a silicon desert might be a bit of a tall order...but at the very least, UNLV could aim to be among the top 25 universities(academically speaking) in the US. It being in the desert--an area of focus could be Green-tech: Solar and Wind power research, Desalinization, and even Green Architecture and Transportation

Here's an example of a new attraction in Las Vegas:International Tennis Centre Officially Opens Its Doors and Brings World-Class Tennis Back to Las Vegas...State-of-the-Art $10 Million Facility Accommodates Professionals, Las Vegas Visitors and Residents (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28674784/)

Speaking of new attractions, Las Vegas doesn't have one of these yet?:http://www.airshipventures.com/
http://www.airshipventures.com/img/photo006roger%20cain_mg_4821.jpg

Snotick
Jan 17, 2009, 4:21 PM
For what its worth, I am a lurker, just enjoy reading or seeing pictures from my favorite place. I dont post much, because I dont have much to add to this forum since I live in another state.

I am in Vegas this weekend, staying at my Jockey Club unit. (I know most people want this place blown up, but its as close as I can get to owning something in Las Vegas that my middle income budget will allow)

As I sit here eating my cereal there are workers uncovering giant mechanical equipment (maybe air handling or AC units) Each on is about the size of a full size van. There are big tags on the side stating City Centre and a tag for a company called CWA out of Switzerland.

I could post a picture but I am not really sure how to post pics on a forum.

It should be pretty cool to see them lift these huge pieces of equipment up and over Cosmo. As I dont think they can move them very easily on the ground.

mdiederi
Jan 17, 2009, 4:22 PM
We've had plenty of blimps, sometimes more than one at a time during big convention weeks, and including one that used to sell rides. Now the only one is the M Resort blimp that's been cruising around lately with some big light display on it.

......

The catalyst that will start the diversification of the Vegas economy is Union Park downtown, but unless the credit markets thaw out it won't get built any time soon.

Krases
Jan 17, 2009, 6:06 PM
http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/i-love-modern-architecture-5

I Love Modern Architecture - Spicing Up Sin City - The Mondri and Elano Hotel: Las Vegas

Although Vegas is known for its surreal architecture and mega-resorts, this hotel brings a fresh new look to a thriving city. As part of an invited competition, JDS/Julien de Smedt Architects has designed this proposal for the Mondri and Elano Hotel in Las Vegas. They wanted to create a genuine experience while extracting the identity of the Mondrian and the Delano Hotels without producing copycat versions. Another goal was to balance the project’s large scale with the need for intimacy on a smaller scale. JDS/Julien de Smedt Architects collaborated with artist Olafur Eliasson on the project. No word yet on what form this collaboration will take.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4685/maejds08dn2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1164/maejds09rg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2301/lv5bh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My thoughts: I am not down with a giant white pointy series of little mountains, but if the entire exterior could change colors vibrantly like the Palms and it was built more towards the downtown area on top of the Circus Circus (while still maintaining good room prices like the CC and not trying too hard to appeal to the upper class).

mac78130
Jan 17, 2009, 6:29 PM
My thoughts: I am not down with a giant white pointy series of little mountains, but if the entire exterior could change colors vibrantly like the Palms and it was built more towards the downtown area on top of the Circus Circus (while still maintaining good room prices like the CC and not trying too hard to appeal to the upper class).

All I can say is that it's definitely different :hmmm:

mac78130
Jan 17, 2009, 6:38 PM
ALL FLICKR PHOTOS BY ssilbermanlaw (http://flickr.com/photos/silbermanlaw/3203584089/)
CityCenter
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3203592333_cb5da6f8c3.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3203595985_8a615a9320.jpg?v=0


Cosmo spa tower working on crown.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/3203584089_8c413741d3_b.jpg

RandalR
Jan 17, 2009, 6:44 PM
My thoughts: I am not down with a giant white pointy series of little mountains, but if the entire exterior could change colors vibrantly like the Palms and it was built more towards the downtown area on top of the Circus Circus (while still maintaining good room prices like the CC and not trying too hard to appeal to the upper class).

Morgans Hotel Group didn't even have the money to start construction on the much smaller Delano and Mondrian hotel buildings that were proposed - that plus mall developer General Growth Properties being a millimeter away from bankruptcy are the main reasons why Echelon was halted. There's no way anything as grandiose as that rendering will be built.

I'm betting Boyd will sell the whole property, anyway. Or just keep a piece of it, build out the under construction tower to a lower height like Harmon, and call it the New Stardust. ;)

neworleans
Jan 17, 2009, 6:46 PM
why are they topping off the cosmo? it's shorter then the vdara.

CHAPINM1
Jan 17, 2009, 6:51 PM
why are they topping off the cosmo? it's shorter then the vdara.

No it's not, it's just the angle of the photo. Also, Cosmo is just 15 feet taller than Vdara.

neworleans
Jan 17, 2009, 7:05 PM
No it's not, it's just the angle of the photo. Also, Cosmo is just 15 feet taller than Vdara.

i don't know, maybe. but it still looks shorter even from the cc webcam. i don't care though, it still looks wonderful to me.

http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

mac78130
Jan 17, 2009, 7:32 PM
That crane on top of Vdara, which I'm assuming is for the window washers, bugs the hell out of me

leftopolis
Jan 17, 2009, 7:51 PM
We've had plenty of blimps, sometimes more than one at a time during big convention weeks, and including one that used to sell rides. Now the only one is the M Resort blimp that's been cruising around lately with some big light display on it.

......

The catalyst that will start the diversification of the Vegas economy is Union Park downtown, but unless the credit markets thaw out it won't get built any time soon.

Not to be a stickler, but blimps and airships are not the same thing. Anyway, it was just an idea that has found success in th Bay Area, and could work in Vegas as well. The natural beauty of the desert landscape, Mt. Charleston, Lake Mead, the Grand Canyon and of course The Strip--would all be attractive from a slow moving, quiet aircraft. As a visitor, I would certainly forgo a night of over-priced Strip hotels/meals for a 2 hour ride around the Valley.
From the earlier link I posted:
While externally Zeppelins and blimps look quite alike, and its not uncommon to hear people talking about Zeppelins when they mean blimps - there is, however, a significant difference.
Today’s Zeppelins have a light, rigid metal and carbon fiber framework that is covered with a synthetic canvas hull, inside of which is the lifting gas. This framework allows the engines to be located where they operate most efficiently – on the sides of the hull and at the tail end of the airship, far from the gondola – providing a quiet, vibration-free ride.
A blimp does not have an internal rigid frame. They maintain their shape due to the internal pressure of the lifting gas. Because there is no framework above the gondola, the engines have to be mounted directly to the sides of passenger cabin

I don't disagree about Union Park--but you may be waiting around a decade or more for it to come fully into fruition.

Krases
Jan 17, 2009, 8:32 PM
I don't disagree about Union Park--but you may be waiting around a decade or more for it to come fully into fruition.

Speaking of Union Park, has anyone heard about the world market center? How is it doing financially? Any more phases going to be built or are they holding back for the time being? I know they cut like ten stories off the world jewelry center....at least I think they did.

CHAPINM1
Jan 17, 2009, 8:57 PM
Whoever took those shots of Fontainebleau and posted then on January 11th did a magnificent job! The crown appears to now be the area of focus as it continues to rise vertically. Once the Font is done, the skyline will be very unique since it will be gradually getting higher from the south moving northward until eventually topping out at the Stratosphere...

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Jan 17, 2009, 9:22 PM
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Jasonhouse
Jan 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
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mdiederi
Jan 18, 2009, 2:14 AM
Speaking of Union Park, has anyone heard about the world market center? How is it doing financially? Any more phases going to be built or are they holding back for the time being?
They're holding back on the other buildings for the time being.

Krases
Jan 18, 2009, 5:11 AM
They're holding back on the other buildings for the time being.

Makes sense. Union park will be great for diversifying the economy if they introduce a few office towers there. I remember seeing some of the early renders for that and was like "woah, thats huge".

leftopolis
Jan 18, 2009, 6:55 AM
Here's the plan:

http://www.unionparkvegas.com/Project Value: Estimated at $6 billion
Total Square Feet: Approximately 11 million
Project Acreage: 61 acres

Target Square Footage for Mixed-Use Areas

Office/Medical: 1,908,000
Residential: 5,200,000 - Estimated 3,200 Units
Hotels – Non-Gaming (2): 675,000 - (800 Keys)
Hotels – Non-Gaming (1): 900,000 - (1,000-1,500 Keys)
Casino: 60,000 to 100,000
Retail: 475,000


Lots of renderings and much more here:
Union Park - Official city of Las Vegas site (http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/Government/7598.htm)

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 11:19 AM
Not a crystal clear pic, but gives an aerial view of how large Fontainebleau is
Flickr photo taken Jan. 9 by Inaki (http://flickr.com/photos/inaki/3206259664/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/3206259664_90bc88ee4f_b.jpg

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 11:46 AM
ALL FLICKR PHOTOS BY konashark (http://flickr.com/photos/konashark/) Taken Jan. 15
Larger view of photos can be seen by following link (http://flickr.com/photos/konashark/)

Doh!!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/3204566683_d420361f81.jpg?v=0
Veer west working on pool section, Veer east working on last floor.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3481/3205414008_42de999ae4.jpg?v=0
Cosmo wavy architecture
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/3205413888_aabf45d194.jpg?v=0
Cosmo beach tower almost complete
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/3205414140_eb4563ec72.jpg?v=0
Blue Monster Front
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3205413204_4a293de2d8.jpg?v=0
Blue Monster Rear
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3204564897_153482fae3.jpg?v=0

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 12:05 PM
An interesting article in the Las Vegas Sun about Sheldon Adelson/Las Vegas Sands.
"Adelson’s net worth shrunk by an estimated $13 billion."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/18/las-vegas-sands-big-rise-big-fall/

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 12:14 PM
VegasRex has two photos of the Aria sign lit up.
http://www.vegasrex.com/
What do you guys think, yay or nay?

mdiederi
Jan 18, 2009, 3:23 PM
Nay. Looks like a logo for a yogurt brand or something.

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 4:05 PM
I wonder if the Crystals shopping center is behind schedule because from the polo webcam they are hard at work even on a Sunday morning.

Krases
Jan 18, 2009, 4:37 PM
Edited from mac78130's post.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6577/vatisdatdp1.png (http://imageshack.us)


What IS that?

neworleans
Jan 18, 2009, 4:44 PM
VegasRex has two photos of the Aria sign lit up.
http://www.vegasrex.com/


i like the video he has on there that shows how many porn slappers there are lining the side walks.

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 5:21 PM
Edited from mac78130's post.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6577/vatisdatdp1.png (http://imageshack.us)


What IS that?

That's the infamous parking garage and convention monstrosity.

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 5:54 PM
Siemens who is installing the fire alarm system at Citycenter is under investigation for questionable maintenance at other facilities.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/37788019.html

gmcclenon
Jan 18, 2009, 6:04 PM
Whoever took those shots of Fontainebleau and posted then on January 11th did a magnificent job! The crown appears to now be the area of focus as it continues to rise vertically. Once the Font is done, the skyline will be very unique since it will be gradually getting higher from the south moving northward until eventually topping out at the Stratosphere...

Thank you for your kind words. I visited the Fontainebleau sales center that day and they said they are still planning on selling 900 condotels on that center flat section of the tower from top to bottom. (The ones that face due south.) "No guarantee that they will become available however." I'll bet.

I snapped a few other pictures off from a balcony at Sky if you are interested but I already posted the best ones.

mac78130
Jan 18, 2009, 6:08 PM
Also noticed that what looked like a white fence on top of the Mandarin Oriental is getting covered with some siding, thank god.
I wonder if there is some kind of protective film over the glass on top, it looks kinda funny
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3205414244_484ef26c8e.jpg?v=0
flickr photo by konashark (http://www.flickr.com/photos/konashark/3205414244/)

CHAPINM1
Jan 18, 2009, 6:35 PM
Wow mac78130, your finds are definetly a breath of fresh air! The shot looking down is definetly an interesting new vantage point of Fontainebleau showing once again just how much of an impact it is making! I also respect this project more than any other because they continue to move foward full steam ahead with their sleaves rolled up which cannot be said about numerous of other project right now in Las Vegas that are being put off for the time being. Then again it's still going to take quite some time to complete the Font's interiors since it's such a massive project!

justdefended
Jan 18, 2009, 10:07 PM
I wonder if there is some kind of protective film over the glass on top, it looks kinda funny
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3205414244_484ef26c8e.jpg?v=0
flickr photo by konashark (http://www.flickr.com/photos/konashark/3205414244/)

Passed by this on the freeway the other day. There is definitely a color discrepancy. I hope it is a film so that it blends in with the rest of the building, which looks really slick.

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 12:58 AM
Cool view.. The framing for the "people mover" station is being put into place
flickr photo by brad betchtel
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/wellvis/3208153658/in/set-72157612730072836/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3208153658_b8ef9cb16f_b.jpg

sw5710
Jan 19, 2009, 1:39 AM
Is The final 737' correct for Fontainebleau?

CHAPINM1
Jan 19, 2009, 2:23 AM
A fellow forumer on here stated that the final height according to city planning will be 730 feet; however, there have been numerous different heights listed for this one so until any of us hear from Fontainebleau development I don't think anyone will really be to sure.

sw5710
Jan 19, 2009, 2:42 AM
A fellow forumer on here stated that the final height according to city planning will be 730 feet; however, there have been numerous different heights listed for this one so until any of us hear from Fontainebleau development I don't think anyone will really be to sure.

"THANKS" CHAPINM1; I will be waiting for the final height from them on this project.

sw5710
Jan 19, 2009, 5:29 AM
Yes. I love when you see the strip as you round the corner on Interstate 15 from stateline. It keeps changing every year. I remember when the luxor was the tallest looking resort from that point now you cant see it .:)

LMich
Jan 19, 2009, 6:20 AM
That's the infamous parking garage and convention monstrosity.

Does anyone know how large this parking garage is going to be (floor count and number of spaces)? Seriously, the thing is the height and size of a fairly large office building.

mdiederi
Jan 19, 2009, 7:31 AM
Does anyone know how large this parking garage is going to be (floor count and number of spaces)? Seriously, the thing is the height and size of a fairly large office building.
That building is a combination of parking garage and convention/meeting facilities. Looks like 15 or 16 floors in the photos. It is 218.5 feet tall (north end) along the east wall line. Farther west on the roof the height for a mechanical cooling tower and acoustic screen wall is up to 258.5 feet. There will be 6,198 parking spaces (workers are already parking in there). 2,409,880 square feet of floor area total for the parking garage and convention center. 8,294,320 square feet of floor area total for the entire resort.

http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0219043.htm

sw5710
Jan 19, 2009, 7:56 AM
Does that make it the tallest or largest parking garage in vegas?

LMich
Jan 19, 2009, 9:10 AM
That building is a combination of parking garage and convention/meeting facilities. Looks like 15 or 16 floors in the photos. It is 218.5 feet tall (north end) along the east wall line. Farther west on the roof the height for a mechanical cooling tower and acoustic screen wall is up to 258.5 feet. There will be 6,198 parking spaces (workers are already parking in there). 2,409,880 square feet of floor area total for the parking garage and convention center. 8,294,320 square feet of floor area total for the entire resort.

http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapps/agendaweb/Data/P0219043.htm

My goodness, that's even larger than I'd even guessed in my mind. Do you happen to know how many floors are the actual convention space? I'd guess only the first few. The whole complex is ridiculously out of scale. Heck, the parking garage/convention center looks to be bigger and taller than the neighboring Riveria Hotel towers. lol

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 4:51 PM
Fontainebleau has the cash to finish

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/19/fontainebleau-has-cash-keep-rising/

Fontainebleau gadgets

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/19/beneath-its-skin-fontainebleau-has-something-extra/

mdiederi
Jan 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
There are also some more parking floors below grade.

mdiederi
Jan 19, 2009, 5:00 PM
Here's another one that ran out of cash.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/IMGP1150.jpg

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 5:30 PM
what project was that?

jayguy
Jan 19, 2009, 6:23 PM
I don't recall the name, but it is a shopping center/office space south of Red Rock Casino.

CHAPINM1
Jan 19, 2009, 6:31 PM
I know there was a construction accident at the Fontainebleau site last spring on the parking ramp/convention center, but what excactly happened again and how was it fixed?

RandalR
Jan 19, 2009, 7:19 PM
I know there was a construction accident at the Fontainebleau site last spring on the parking ramp/convention center, but what excactly happened again and how was it fixed?

A couple of the concrete/steel garage flooring sections collapsed with a loud bang early on in the garage assembly. I think they just lifted them back up and welded them in place again - didn't seem to be a big deal since no construction workers happened to be standing underneath them at the time. ;)

CHAPINM1
Jan 19, 2009, 7:41 PM
A couple of the concrete/steel garage flooring sections collapsed with a loud bang early on in the garage assembly. I think they just lifted them back up and welded them in place again - didn't seem to be a big deal since no construction workers happened to be standing underneath them at the time. ;)

I wonder how that happened, would it have been because of any defectivness or weakness? Or did it happen simpley because they were not stuctured correctly? Then again it was probably human error.

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 7:50 PM
A closer view of The Mandarin..
flickr photo by awinner (http://flickr.com/photos/awinner/3210642584/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3512/3210642584_e90f667574.jpg?v=0
Night shot of The Crystals with the blue "A" of Aria in the background
flickr photo by awinner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/awinner/3209818181/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3209818181_f6af58d967_b.jpg

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 8:23 PM
Does anyone know how the Harmon Ave realignment is coming along?

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 8:35 PM
M Resort set to open March 1.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/16/m-resort-license-crown-purchase-cannery-get-contro/
A convenience store and gasoline station are on the property at which customers will be able to swap loyalty card points for gasoline, he said. How convenient:)

Krases
Jan 19, 2009, 8:42 PM
Yeah there was supposed to be a giant shopping center with Red Rock resort anchoring it. Hopefully when the economy picks up they can finish it.

I wonder if population growth is still up.

justdefended
Jan 19, 2009, 8:50 PM
A closer view of The Mandarin..
flickr photo by awinner (http://flickr.com/photos/awinner/3210642584/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3512/3210642584_e90f667574.jpg?v=0
Night shot of The Crystals with the blue "A" of Aria in the background
flickr photo by awinner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/awinner/3209818181/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3209818181_f6af58d967_b.jpg

Thanks. Nice to see more of Crystals being enclosed from the outside. Taubman is leasing the 78 retail spaces, though most of the retail partners have been kept under wraps.

justdefended
Jan 19, 2009, 9:23 PM
http://i40.tinypic.com/5os1et.jpg

New photo of the Aria hotel room. Looks like they're getting rid of the old-school comforter and going with duvets (thank god). Also, the striped carpeting seems to be gone.

mac78130
Jan 19, 2009, 11:12 PM
I'm just not impressed with the rooms. Aria is supposed to be the centerpiece yet the rooms are a let down. Well, it's Vegas so who really spends a lot of time in their rooms.

DMaldon762
Jan 20, 2009, 12:09 AM
M Resort set to open March 1.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/16/m-resort-license-crown-purchase-cannery-get-contro/
How convenient:)

Mohegan Sun in CT has that also. The gas is about 40% more expensive though.

RandalR
Jan 20, 2009, 12:09 AM
I was walking home from Encore this afternoon and noticed some interesting wrinkles taking shape at Fontainebleau:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB02.jpg

'Bleau dominates the evil clown.


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB04.jpg

The Riviera Boulevard side of the podium is starting to look a little like the Crystals Mall at CityCenter...or maybe the Lou Ruvo Brain Institute. :haha:


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB05.jpg

They've started adding a metallic mesh baffling to cover the garage levels, which apparently won't be entirely open after all. Good news for us Turnberry residents who didn't like the open look much - this should help a lot as long as it goes all the way across. More shots below:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB06.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB07.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/FB08copy.jpg

It's impossible to overstate how massive the garage and podium look from the ground on Riviera Boulevard - 200+ feet high and a quarter mile wide.

CHAPINM1
Jan 20, 2009, 12:45 AM
Awesome shots RandalR! I've never seen the podium from that angle before. I think that the podium is a mix in terms of colors with the Turnberry Residences and the rest of Fontainebleau. I at least thought that anyway when I saw the photos of Turnberry Residences and the podium side by side across the street from each other.

ScottG
Jan 20, 2009, 1:48 AM
great video of FB

http://www.fontainebleau.com/StaticPages/video_lv.html


btw - is there a photo of the initial aria hotel room? to compare with this newest one? - - ,aybe they are different room options...?

justdefended
Jan 20, 2009, 2:56 AM
New:

http://i40.tinypic.com/5os1et.jpg

Old:

http://www.vegastripping.com/images/aria-resort-vegas-roomview.jpg

The scan of the latest model looks dull, but looks pretty good direct from the latest M Magazine.

mac78130
Jan 20, 2009, 2:24 PM
CityCenter website updated . There's a few more on the website: http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_1.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_2.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_7.jpg

Snotick
Jan 20, 2009, 5:16 PM
To update my post from a couple of days ago. What I thought was some type of air handling equipment, turn out to be the people movers (monorail or whatever they are calling it) These started being uncrated on Friday morning, I thought is was odd that they had a security guard watching them since they started.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/large/0598/1ed994965e094f4b913a22c529d2f20e.jpg
http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/large/0598/c1b1fc71c7734e22babc584f4bf638b5.jpg
http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/large/0598/ad710877324644ceb3fbc5a442ef1fe1.jpg
http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/large/0598/da79e87336934274acfd95ab8debd079.jpg

mac78130
Jan 20, 2009, 5:45 PM
cool :cool: !! nice to see all the pieces come together

justdefended
Jan 20, 2009, 5:52 PM
CityCenter website updated . There's a few more on the website: http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_1.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_2.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_7.jpg

Thanks. It's amazing to see what's been accomplished in just a few years. It looks pretty much exact to all the renderings and models (Harmon excluded). The components really are an engineering and architectural marvel - so many shapes, unconventional approaches all together in one space.

The CC monorail looks like a futuristic cartoon model! Can't wait to see it on the tracks.

leftopolis
Jan 20, 2009, 9:14 PM
snotick:

I can see how the shape of those cars could be mistaken for air-duct equipment or whatever...thanks for the update. I would imagine there's some sort of federal security precaution for public transportation devices in high-profile parts of the country--to prevent tampering--anyway, just a guess wrt security being present.

mac78130:

Great find, as usual. It really does look stunning and doesn't require much imagination to see the final product at this point.

Finally, regarding the rooms...I like the look and feel--simplicity and comfortable, classy, homey, artsy--my only complaint would be that the lamps/lampshades remind me of something out of the '70's show!

leftopolis
Jan 20, 2009, 11:00 PM
Nothing new to readers of this thead, in this LV Business Press Article (http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2009/01/19/news/iq_26128240.txt), but there were a few pics(few more @ link).

Encore:
http://images.townnews.com/lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2009/01/19/news/iq_26128240.jpg

Fontainebleau:
http://images.townnews.com/lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2009/01/19/news/iq_261282404.jpg

Cosmopolitan:
http://images.townnews.com/lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2009/01/19/news/iq_261282405.jpg

CityCenter:
http://images.townnews.com/lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2009/01/19/news/iq_261282403.jpg

mdiederi
Jan 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
This is another project that ran out of cash.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/MW.jpg

mac78130
Jan 21, 2009, 12:02 AM
It's amazing how many firms starting construction without being fully funded:stunned:

Krases
Jan 21, 2009, 12:10 AM
It's amazing how many firms starting construction without being fully funded:stunned:

I don't think that it was so much that they weren't fully funded, its just that they had there funding pulled by parent companies who were trying to conserve there cash reserves as the depression worsened.

leftopolis
Jan 21, 2009, 2:11 AM
This is another project that ran out of cash.


Great picture, btw...but would you care to expand on your comment a bit? Is that Sullivan Square, or some other project? Is it officially dead or on hold or? Is any part of it completed?

I know The Strip is the economic engine in a big way, but in some ways it's even more disappointing to see an urban type project like this vs a casino that stalled halfway...it also looks like it was along quite a ways.

It reminds me of all the half built/never completed structures in Thialand that are now squatter's havens.

jazfingr
Jan 21, 2009, 12:01 PM
:previous:

that's Manhattan West

CosmoVegas
Jan 21, 2009, 6:27 PM
I know this sounds crazy, but perhaps a group of investors/owners could buy the cosmopolitan. If the current buyers came together maybe it could happen. Deutsche Bank is not in a position to fight much over terms, I bet the whole place could be purchased for $3B, finished, furnished with opening expenses paid and a years worth of advertising to boot. At 30% down (I think that’s a more than generous offer) we would need $900m, that’s just 1,800 investors with $500K each. $500K is less than most buyers are paying for a single suite. Another thing, because Deutsche wants out, our terms would be great, we could demand rates equal to a 30 year home loan and get it, they really have no choice. Who else is going to buy it? The richest men, women, companies and countries have lost their fortunes; us little conservative guys that managed to stay out of debt and save some cash are suddenly in a great position of power. If we band together, we may have more power than we knew. Hey, cash is King once again.

The hard works been done, all we need are enough investors and some lawyers, we elect a board that is willing to hire a team of knowledgeable executives with proven track records and away we go. Is this a completely insane idea? Thoughts?

neworleans
Jan 22, 2009, 7:12 AM
I thought this was so funny.
I was looking at one of the citycenter pictures on VTAT and there's a sign next to the freeway for one of the exits to the strip. On it, it says lodging, and under the word lodging it says, "DUH !" :jester: :jester:

check it out for yourselves
http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/images/citycenter_090117c.jpg