[lfc4life]

i always thought the two square towers near the frontier site looked totally out of place at echelon anyway and add nothing to the project, if echelon did re-start i hope they just finish the main tower and landscape the rest, the design of Shangri-La needs to change too

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/images/echelon%20080715.jpg

[ieguy441]

The Frontier Site As A Few Trees Lined Up Along Lv Bldv....whats Up?......

Wynn put these up to allow for better views from Encore. They looked like they were dying when I was there last week.

[philip]

The Frontier Site As A Few Trees Lined Up Along Lv Bldv....whats Up?......
Steve Wynn paid to have those trees planted there to block out view of the ugly empty lot from Encore. This was mentiond in an interview with Steve, the interview can be found on vegastripping or encoreopening.com, but you may have to search the site for it.

[Krases]

I agree that Echelon must be completed. It is the single biggest scar and symbol of the current state of our economy. Every article about our city in the major world papers mentions it.



I drive by the site on Desert Inn almost everyday. I just began my college career which is why I drive that way everyday,hopefully by the end of my career I can drive by the site and see it (mostly) finished in a few years.

Thats unless Gibbons has his way with education. Then I won't be driving to UNLV anymore. :hell:

[samoen313]

i always thought the two square towers near the frontier site looked totally out of place at echelon anyway and add nothing to the project, if echelon did re-start i hope they just finish the main tower and landscape the rest, the design of Shangri-La needs to change too


Oh, how I agree with you on those points. While I rather like the main hotel and suite towers, the Shangri-La appendage is ungainly and dissonant when set next to the smooth, curved towers. The Mondrian and Delano never really came into beings as design. That they are most likely cut from the plan for now doesn't bother me in the least. But hopefully if they finish the current structure, they'll do the main towers and ditch or cap the Shangri-La.

[CharoogAjram]

Is this a glimpse from the inside of the M Resort? The other photos that follow seem to be taken from the M Resort construction site.
flickr photos huliana90212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33005380@N00/page2/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493/3234744363_3ea3e581d9.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3360/3234743925_d37ed89d92.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/3235592256_daf09b0716.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/3235592640_74340d3a49.jpg?v=0

Does anyone happen to know when this will be opening, like an exact month?

[mac78130]

Does anyone happen to know when this will be opening, like an exact month?

MARCH 1, 2009 ;)

[Krases]

How is the world market center doing? Phase 3 opened months ago and so did the parking garage. Phase 4 is supposed to be finished sometime this year. Somehow I doubt that unless there is construction going on now. Those building seem kinda small from a distance, but when you get close you realize how huge they are.

http://www.lasvegasdowntownnews.com/Article.asp?id=949759&spid=23985

This article states that the Phase 4 may be cut down in size, almost half the size it would be but that phase 5 will make up for it later on. This article has no date, but it can't be more than 6 months old.

Edit: Here I go starting another page lol.

[CharoogAjram]

MARCH 1, 2009 ;)

OMG. Thats about a month away!
Cool!

[justdefended]

Is this a glimpse from the inside of the M Resort? The other photos that follow seem to be taken from the M Resort construction site.
flickr photos huliana90212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33005380@N00/page2/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493/3234744363_3ea3e581d9.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3360/3234743925_d37ed89d92.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/3235592256_daf09b0716.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/3235592640_74340d3a49.jpg?v=0

The casino looks pretty classy inside. Also, if you pass by the front there are a lot of outdoor dining patios for each of the restaurants. Can't wait to have another new local casino in town.

[StatenIslander237]

ieguy441, thank you for the enlightening photo updates. I felt like I was there, which is awesome since I miss Vegas so much.

10 bucks - 90% of the residents of Jockey Club beat it within the next 5 years due to being overshadowed and forgotten in an alley between two megaresorts, Cosmo's owners buy out the remaining residents, tear it down and expand Cosmo onto the land. 10 bucks. :haha:

The Cosmopolitan is one sly motherf**ker. :whip:

[jazfingr]

ieguy441, thank you for the enlightening photo updates. I felt like I was there, which is awesome since I miss Vegas so much.

10 bucks - 90% of the residents of Jockey Club beat it within the next 5 years due to being overshadowed and forgotten in an alley between two megaresorts, Cosmo's owners buy out the remaining residents, tear it down and expand Cosmo onto the land. 10 bucks. :haha:

The Cosmopolitan is one sly motherf**ker. :whip:

You're On (I'll take that bet)

That will never happen:

There are well over 16,000 owners of Jockey Club
40% of them have a front row seat for the Bellagio fountains
10% have partial views (north side behind Bellagio's garage)
50% have NO view (at all)
100% have a very short elevator ride and walk to PH, Cosmo, CityCenter, Bellagio and Paris.
100% have a living room and full kitchen
The Jockey is going to have an egress to Cosmo
After the exterior remodel, it will probably look like an Jockey is part of Cosmo
My guess is that 100% of the owners of the north facing units will stay
and 60% or better of the south facing owners will stay as well (because of the location).
The Jockey Club has nice remodeled units. I stayed there last year and loved it.

This was my view :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3238793626_d9d07bb041_o.jpg

[Snotick]

I will take that bet with jazfinger. I too own at the Jockey Club (Bellagio Side) and I have no plans to ever sell. The location is awesome, and will only get better once the Cosmo and City Center are finished. The rooms are nice, and they were just starting to change out the windows when I was there 2 weeks ago. So the new facade may be coming this summer. The pool area does suck right now with a giant net over the top of the whole area. But, if rumors hold true, Jockey Club members will be able to get access to Cosmos swimming pool.
I dont feel like I am overshadowed, or forgotten. I feel lucky that up until recently, I have a price controlled room in Vegas. I never have to worry about finding a room or what price I am going to pay for the room. Also, if I stay for a week at the JC and still get comp offers from another property, I can try out other places for a couple nights. Between the JC and my Southwest Airlines Visa, planning my Vegas trips is easy.

[ieguy441]

ieguy441, thank you for the enlightening photo updates. I felt like I was there, which is awesome since I miss Vegas so much.

10 bucks - 90% of the residents of Jockey Club beat it within the next 5 years due to being overshadowed and forgotten in an alley between two megaresorts, Cosmo's owners buy out the remaining residents, tear it down and expand Cosmo onto the land. 10 bucks. :haha:

The Cosmopolitan is one sly motherf**ker. :whip:

No problem Staten! I figure with all the photos I usually take, I'll have one hell of a collection of Vegas photos one of these days!

The rest of my trip photos can be found over at http://community.webshots.com/user/stevecovington, if you add me as a friend, you can download the full size photo.

I think once Cosmo is complete, Jockey Club will be more noticed than ever. I see what you are saying though.. It looks really out of place right now... I can't wait to see what the new facade looks like. I imagine it will look something like Cosmo does when complete. With access to Cosmo, I wouldn't mind buying into Jockey Club if given the opportunity.

Does anyone know what they are doing with all of those trees between Bellagio and Cosmo/Jockey Club?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/3229883150_c909350030_b.jpg

[Krases]

I took a drive past downtown today. I noticed a large set of some sort of boxes next to the world market center. Hopefully they get rolling with phase 4 here soon.

[mdiederi]

Hopefully they get rolling with phase 4 here soon.
No date is set for restarting construction.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/30/bob-maricich/

[Krases]

Doah!

Oh well. He said that there has to be indications that the market is starting to recover. Maybe when unemployment starts to go back down we will see construction continue.

[CharoogAjram]

I took a drive past downtown today. I noticed a large set of some sort of boxes next to the world market center. Hopefully they get rolling with phase 4 here soon.

Let's hope! :D

[DMaldon762]

VegasRex has pics of Wyndham Desert Blue

[hotdog]

They are still progressing on plans for a Union Park casino.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/38734422.html

[kyle_rh]

I just recently visited the Fontainebleau sales center and viewed a mock up of the rooms and condo units. Below I posted the pictures i took.

Guest room
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3240639188_fe72a422e5_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3240642638_9946b59ec5_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3240659642_020608ec32_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3501/3239827331_46b205eed6_b.jpg

Studio room
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3239815393_49efb823c6_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/3239817965_c873c4f586_b.jpg

light fixture in hallway
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/3239828973_170ddc440e_b.jpg

Hallway view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3240667590_9faa1d0424_b.jpg

[Krases]

They are still progressing on plans for a Union Park casino.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/38734422.html

47 stories? Woah!

[Seva]

Downtown hotel? Maybe someday.

Design is not bad.
http://www5.lasvegasnevada.gov/sirepub/cache/2/fhdepnztw0kypj45qpilj455/189650601312009122516586.PDF

[StatenIslander237]

Alright! Alright! haha. You guys make compelling points. I'll pay you all 10 bucks if my prediction doesn't come true in 5 years. Honestly it may be more of a wish than a prediction. :rolleyes: I'm eager to see the renovation though. Maybe I'll change my mind.

[DMaldon762]

Downtown hotel? Maybe someday.

Design is not bad.
http://www5.lasvegasnevada.gov/sirepub/cache/2/fhdepnztw0kypj45qpilj455/189650601312009122516586.PDF


I like it. Looks like a sail boat.

Th FB condo rooms look like Signature and hotel rooms look like Mirage. Looks like IKEA.

[RandalR]

I just recently visited the Fontainebleau sales center and viewed a mock up of the rooms and condo units. Below I posted the pictures i took.


Pretty nice. Looks a lot like THEhotel at Mandalay Bay. I'll have to take a walk over there - I've been negligent in checking it out. ;)

[Krases]

I like it. Looks like a sail boat.

Th FB condo rooms look like Signature and hotel rooms look like Mirage. Looks like IKEA.

Meh. It looks ok. I would like to see some more detailed 3d mock-ups to see it from other angles.

I wonder what there going to do with the railroad tracks. Seems like it would be good to hide them somehow or dress them up.

[lfc4life]

its hard to believe that fitzgeralds in 1979 then called Sundance hotel was the last hotel to open downtown, especially when you consider the amount of construction not only on the strip but throughout the valley since 1979

[mac78130]

I just noticed today that the PH Tower webcam is aimed at the pool area. With glass covering the area where the other tower would have connected, I'm assuming that the second tower is on hold.
http://westgateresorts.com/flex2/webcam_external/?defaultCamera=aladdin-cam1

[mac78130]

"Beginning February 23, ARIA will begin accepting reservations for December 17, 2009 and beyond."
"Nightly room rates range from $179 to $799; suites range from $500 to $7,500."

There's a short video at the end of the article.
http://www.travelagentcentral.com/usa-las-vegas/aria-resort-casino-begins-accepting-reservations-february-23-12421

It wouldn't surprise me that those rooms rates are lowered.

[justdefended]

"Beginning February 23, ARIA will begin accepting reservations for December 17, 2009 and beyond."
"Nightly room rates range from $179 to $799; suites range from $500 to $7,500."

There's a short video at the end of the article.
http://www.travelagentcentral.com/usa-las-vegas/aria-resort-casino-begins-accepting-reservations-february-23-12421

It wouldn't surprise me that those rooms rates are lowered.

$179 is pretty conservative, I'm guessing it'll match whatever Wynn and Encore are doing by the end of the year. Of course, they may be able to command a little more with Mandarin, Vdara, and Crystals in one space.

[lfc4life]

planet hollywood tower 2 will probably never happen, about a year ago they said they were waiting to see how sales in tower 1 went before deciding on what to do

as far a city center room prices go mgm skylofts are still $600 a night despite the downturn, The Mansions are still around $4000 a night. a kingsuite at palazzo starts at $170 a night so i can't see city center much lower than that to open

[CHAPINM1]

Regarding the 47-floor hotel; at it's height totaling 592 feet it should definetly add some nice height and density to downtown as well as north of the Stratosphere!

BTW, great shots of the Fontainebleau mock ups! I should be in Vegas just a little over a month from now so I'll definetly have to check them out as well!

Also, I may be missing something here but was there a date disclosed as to when the downtown hotel is to begin construction?

[lfc4life]

the developer has to build city hall before being allowed do anything on that hotel. we will all be old and grey before that new downtown hotel ever sees the light of day unfortunately :(

[mac78130]

The fan logo on Mandarin Oriental is now up. Sorry, missed getting a shot of it from the freeway.

With the logo added on, the transition between the film on the top glass and the rest of the building doesn't look so bad. It looks like it was done to provide a border for the logo.
Looks okay
flickr photo by austenyeats (http://flickr.com/photos/31380119@N07/3243142674/sizes/l/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3243142674_b58d67d0f3_b.jpg

[CharoogAjram]

"Beginning February 23, ARIA will begin accepting reservations for December 17, 2009 and beyond."
"Nightly room rates range from $179 to $799; suites range from $500 to $7,500."

There's a short video at the end of the article.
http://www.travelagentcentral.com/usa-las-vegas/aria-resort-casino-begins-accepting-reservations-february-23-12421

It wouldn't surprise me that those rooms rates are lowered.

Have floor plans of the room even been put up online? Or else I would wait after Feb. 23 to book my room.

[mac78130]

Have floor plans of the room even been put up online? Or else I would wait after Feb. 23 to book my room.

The only thing I've seen are a few pictures of the bedrooms, but have not seen any floorplans/layouts. :shrug:

[mac78130]

Has anyone heard of a firm called Superpotato? They are designing the spa and salon at Aria. Apparently they have worked in Las Vegas before, but this is the first I've heard of them. I visited their website, but there wasn't anything about Aria :(

[CharoogAjram]

The only thing I've seen are a few pictures of the bedrooms, but have not seen any floorplans/layouts. :shrug:

Do you happen to have any links to them?

[mac78130]

Do you happen to have any links to them?
Sent you a message with links, it's not much but hopefully they are useful :)

[mdiederi]

Has anyone heard of a firm called Superpotato? They are designing the spa and salon at Aria. Apparently they have worked in Las Vegas before, but this is the first I've heard of them. I visited their website, but there wasn't anything about Aria :(
That's Takashi Sugimoto's company and they did the interior design at Stripsteak in Mandalay Bay.

[mac78130]

That's Takashi Sugimoto's company and they did the interior design at Stripsteak in Mandalay Bay.

I also found that they did the design for Sensi at Bellagio.

[mac78130]

LVRJ article on M Resort
http://www.lvrj.com/business/38770262.html
Slideshow of M Resort
http://www.reviewjournal.com/media/slideshow/m_walkthrough/

[Krases]

M resort looks pretty cool. Whats amazing to me is were it located, it will be one of the first hotels seen when entering Vegas.

I have been meaning to ask this question lately but never got around to it. What would be the effects of incorporating the entire Las Vegas metropolitan area into just one large city of Las Vegas? Anything?

[mac78130]

flickr photo by Se Mo (http://flickr.com/photos/bochaco/3245006395/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3245006395_16e41c7f1a_b.jpg

[worldpool]

i found this about echolen las vegas http://www.lvrj.com/business/38770227.html

[Krases]

i found this about echolen las vegas http://www.lvrj.com/business/38770227.html

Interesting. I guess Boyd saved itself by stopping the project. I know they just finished another project which was further along over in Michigan.

Its interesting because Echelon is gigantic compared to every other casino they own. They really put a lot into it.

There stocks seem to have stopped dropping though on the stock market. Things are evening out for them I guess.

[worldpool]

i agree i hope they make echelon

[mac78130]

They are working on the Cosmo Beach Tower crown now.
flickr photo by jimexpress44 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/teamexpress/3246887842/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3246887842_e554ec7e7a_b.jpg

[worldpool]

wow nice pic mac78130

[mac78130]

Close up of the fin at PH Towers
photo from www.postranecky.com (http://www.postranecky.com/)
http://www.postranecky.com/image/red-fin-5.jpg
behind westgate sign http://www.postranecky.com/postranecky_pictures.html
http://www.postranecky.com/image/vegas-planet-hollywood-westgate-sign-6.jpg
Scary Balcony
http://www.postranecky.com/image/vegas-planet-hollywood-westgate-sign-12.jpg
latest rendering
http://www.postranecky.com/image/planet-hollywood-towera-vegas-rendering-600.jpg

[Krases]

Latest rendering?

Wow I guess they will end up building two towers.

[mac78130]

This place is going to look GREAT when done !
flickr photo by dbsteers (http://flickr.com/photos/dbsteers/3248039688/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/3248039688_53b7bd3a60_b.jpg

[mac78130]

Cool fly through video of The M Resort.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/video?fr_story=fd0634e3ba4a5ca45e3092cc99affcbba5b9da78&rf=bm

[justdefended]

Crystals is enclosing pretty rapidly:

http://www.polotowers.com/citycenter/citycenter/image.jpg

[worldpool]

wow i am amazed at what the m looks like inside i wish it was on the strip so more people can enjoy it its really nice high class very differnt and a good way i cant wait to see inside when i go wow i want to know

[Krases]

Cool fly through video of The M Resort.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/video?fr_story=fd0634e3ba4a5ca45e3092cc99affcbba5b9da78&rf=bm

Awesome. Very cool looking resort.

I read in the LVRJ that M resort is actually build on a plot the size of city-centers plot. They said that there are no plans to build it that big, but that they will eventually add a 14 screen movie theater and a large shopping complex after the economy improves.

Its definitely worthy of being the first casino people see when entering Vegas up the 15. It looks like a little island of resorts will be established out there.

I haven't heard anything about the other two resorts though. Wasn't there going to be a "R resort"?

[CharoogAjram]

Awesome. Very cool looking resort.

I read in the LVRJ that M resort is actually build on a plot the size of city-centers plot. They said that there are no plans to build it that big, but that they will eventually add a 14 screen movie theater and a large shopping complex after the economy improves.


Wow that's nice to hear! Maybe I'll actually check this place out this summer.

[830point35]

I want to check M out. I hope they will let us poor people in. That joint looks sharp!

[CHAPINM1]

I wonder when the first rooms at Fontainebleau will be completed. I know that Fontainebleau will not open until late this year but I wonder when the very first floors will be complete/operational.

[rhassoii]

http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/03/1__t651.jpg?f88c8649bbadbb805ebb7b1c2020cc5b10765421

Some pretty cool info about the new Hard Rock Cafe on the strip.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/03/hard-rock-open-second-las-vegas-location/

[mac78130]

http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/03/1__t651.jpg?f88c8649bbadbb805ebb7b1c2020cc5b10765421

Some pretty cool info about the new Hard Rock Cafe on the strip.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/03/hard-rock-open-second-las-vegas-location/

Cool :cool: I've completely forgot about this. It seemed like construction took forever. Diablo's Cantina is right across the street so there's going to be some competition :)

[mac78130]

FB glass getting closer and closer to the top.
flickr photo by grudina54 (http://flickr.com/photos/32349249@N08/3250874503/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3510/3250874503_f9b396ceaf_b.jpg

[CosmoVegas]

Not sure what to think about this...

http://www.gamingtoday.com/opinion/story.bv?storyid=19791

Anyone have some updated pictures of the cosmo's crown? I found some on flickr but do not know how to post them here.

[Krases]

FB glass getting closer and closer to the top.


I noticed that today. I think they will be done with the glass by March. Awesome!

[jazfingr]

Anyone have some updated pictures of the cosmo's crown? I found some on flickr but do not know how to post them here.

I guess you missed the first photo on this page ^^^ way up there
:D

[Veerish]

Hey Guys-

I have been lurking for about a week. I am a Veer Towers buyer at CityCenter and hopefully I can contribute to the forum from that perspective. Thanks for posting your great pics and Las Vegas insight!

[Krases]

Hey Guys-

I have been lurking for about a week. I am a Veer Towers buyer at CityCenter and hopefully I can contribute to the forum from that perspective. Thanks for posting your great pics and Las Vegas insight!

Guess who just volunteered to take picture's for us from the inside?

:D

Welcome to the discussion!

[Seva]

I noticed that today. I think they will be done with the glass by March. Awesome!

I'd take a wild guess and say all the topped off towers will be glassed by spring. Most of the tallest cranes could all be gone by mid-late summer as well.

It will be nice to see everything look complete but saddening at the same time.

[Krases]

I'd take a wild guess and say all the topped off towers will be glassed by spring. Most of the tallest cranes could all be gone by mid-late summer as well.

It will be nice to see everything look complete but saddening at the same time.

Why saddening?

[Seva]

It will signal the end of the current boom phase. It was only yesterday I remember the Wynn going up and the torrent of new resorts thereafter. As a building fan why wouldn't I be saddened.

Reminded of that LV Sun article recently where some "economic expert" said there will never be big resorts like we have seen seeing ever built again after this recession. It irritated me quite a bit. Wish I could find the link to it again.

[Krases]

It will signal the end of the current boom phase. It was only yesterday I remember the Wynn going up and the torrent of new resorts thereafter. As a building fan why wouldn't I be saddened.

Reminded of that LV Sun article recently where some "economic expert" said there will never be big resorts like we have seen seeing ever built again after this recession. It irritated me quite a bit. Wish I could find the link to it again.

We shall see. If this whole economic issue blows over, we might see another massive boom when people get there lives back in order. I think that demand is just down. Just like every other industry, when demand goes down, production must go down. It doesn't mean that the industry as a whole is permanently downsized.

No, I predict even more massive plans over the years. The only size reduction I can think of would be because of an increased local market as opposed to tourists. This would mean more M resorts instead of City Centers. Even then there is no local market without the strip because there wouldn't be any locals.

Besides, that "expert" was probably hired by Atlantic City.

[mac78130]

I really like the M Resort's suite. I favor this suite more than the suites that were revealed for Aria.
http://www.travelagentcentral.com/files/nodes/years/2009/12398/MResortimage.jpg
http://www.travelagentcentral.com/usa-las-vegas/highly-anticipated-m-resort-opens-march-12398

[samoen313]

We shall see. If this whole economic issue blows over, we might see another massive boom when people get there lives back in order. I think that demand is just down. Just like every other industry, when demand goes down, production must go down. It doesn't mean that the industry as a whole is permanently downsized.

No, I predict even more massive plans over the years. The only size reduction I can think of would be because of an increased local market as opposed to tourists. This would mean more M resorts instead of City Centers. Even then there is no local market without the strip because there wouldn't be any locals.

Besides, that "expert" was probably hired by Atlantic City.

I think it's a bit quixotic to think that the economic issue will just blow over. We haven't bottomed out yet and all indicators put this as the worst recession since the '82-'83 or possible even further back. Las Vegas is still a pretty nascent economy and will experience several harder years than much of the rest of the country. Tourism is a particularly vulnerable industry to economic volatility and will take a longer period of time to recover as people take this opportunity to save money while uncertainty remains for consumers.

I don't doubt that there will be more mega-resorts. As with the general economic development of the nation as a whole, the days of modest, family-run developments are long over. Large, corporate resorts seem to have become a norm and, aside from the slick small-scale development here or there, we'll see more land amalgamation for more large resorts. The challenge will become how to distinguish one from the next.

We will probably see Echelon finish at some point, but aside from that, I don't think any other proposal without a foundation laid will see light in their current form. Thankfully, that includes the ticky-tacky Plaza. But the next round of resorts I'm confident will attempt to mix up the formula a little bit. There are enough Cirque shows and malls, so let's see something else.

[JDRCRASH]

Going along with what Samoen said, Las Vegas and Miami overbuilt way too much, so naturally they will feel more pain than the much larger major cities.

[worldpool]

i think m resort and the fontainebleau is going to bring people to las vegas and city center to and the new hark rock coming it will do the same the more money the chances the other hotels will be built and las vegas will be back on its feet.

[VegasBound]

With the recession combined with all the overbuilding it will be many years before we see anything close to a boon like this one. I think that it will be more true that the newer projects will suck business from established players rather than bring in new visitors. Fountaineblueau will be nice I am sure, but it has massive competition on the high end and will surely be losing money from day one.

[worldpool]

why do u say that i thnk fontainebleau will make lots of money on the frist day it opens

[worldpool]

i found this today http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/39114447.html

[VegasBound]

why do u say that i thnk fontainebleau will make lots of money on the frist day it opens

Because the economy is dragging. And they will be facing big competition from established high end players like Wynn/Encore. And they have a LOT of rooms to fill which because of the economy and the competition they will be forced to price at lower rates than they had originally projected. And they will be sitting on a LOT of unsold condo units. And they picked a name that the average Vegas visitor cannot even spell ;)

[mac78130]

vegasrex.com (http://www.vegasrex.com/) has a few photos of the PH towers signage lit up along with the Mandarin Fan. I'm looking forward for the neon lights Veer has planned.

[DMaldon762]

VegasRex is awesome!!!

[worldpool]

Because the economy is dragging. And they will be facing big competition from established high end players like Wynn/Encore. And they have a LOT of rooms to fill which because of the economy and the competition they will be forced to price at lower rates than they had originally projected. And they will be sitting on a LOT of unsold condo units. And they picked a name that the average Vegas visitor cannot even spell ;)

u wach and see whats going to happen and its a nice name amd it has 24 restornts u can pick from and so what if they have competition its going be a good hotel and it will change the way hotels are know so i think u should be ready for it to be a big hit

[RandalR]

The new PH Towers sign is grotesquely bright - worse even than this picture shows. It outshines everything else on the Strip. I expect they might be asked by their neighbors to dim it a bit:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/PHTowersSign01Small.jpg

[justdefended]

I agree. It's a definite eyesore from any vantage point. And the red and yellow make it look like a grand opening for McDonald's.

The new PH Towers sign is grotesquely bright - worse even than this picture shows. It outshines everything else on the Strip. I expect they might be asked by their neighbors to dim it a bit:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/RandalR/Las%20Vegas/PHTowersSign01Small.jpg

[patrick84]

^^^It's hard to be offensive in Vegas... but ummm, wow - that building just keeps getting worse with the signage.

[mac78130]

So is the Crystals' facade going to be that white, are they going to paint over it, what? I like all the angles but not so much the color.
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/citycenter2.jpg
http://www.polotowers.com/centerstrip_cam.html

[CHAPINM1]

Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

[justdefended]

So is the Crystals' facade going to be that white, are they going to paint over it, what? I like all the angles but not so much the color.
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/citycenter2.jpg
http://www.polotowers.com/centerstrip_cam.html

I think the final finish will be a matte silver:

http://i39.tinypic.com/29gkdnn.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b039bd1f8d.jpg

[mac78130]

Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

Love it or hate it, it's a part of the Vegas skyline, so I guess we'll have to learn to live with it.
:cheers:

[jayguy]

Took these today of the crowns going up on both Cosmo towers.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r90/jayguy4/lv%20skyscrapers/cosmocrown.jpg

[mac78130]

Can you see me now? :haha:
flickr photo by daniel julian (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_julian/3256320093/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3256320093_4c5c82be88_b.jpg

[Krases]

Its bright but it just seems to sort of blend in. I would have to see it for myself, but I would have to say that its a good edition.

[StatenIslander237]

A night shot of the entire Vegas skyline in 2010 is going to fucking blow all of our minds to Saturn......I absolutely cannot wait. :D

[MrV]

Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

I don't really mind it either. It's a bit flashy and tacky but isn't that what Vegas is al about.:D

[Jake2006]

More bad news for City Center. County orders third party inspection of campus buildings.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/06/just-making-sure/

[mac78130]

More bad news for City Center. County orders third party inspection of campus buildings.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/06/just-making-sure/

I wonder if some of the condo buyers are going to try to use this excuse to get out of their contracts?

[Jake2006]

I wonder if some of the condo buyers are going to try to use this excuse to get out of their contracts?

I doubt many will close anyway unless MGM decides to reduce the prices to current values (which I doubt). No one in their right mind would close on a unit that will automatically lose 30% of its value at closing. It is like driving a new car off the lot where its value automatically loses its value once it hits the street.

[justdefended]

I doubt many will close anyway unless MGM decides to reduce the prices to current values (which I doubt). No one in their right mind would close on a unit that will automatically lose 30% of its value at closing. It is like driving a new car off the lot where its value automatically loses its value once it hits the street.

I think MGM definitely has to come up with some incentives for encourage buyers to close. Either furnishing packages, interest buydowns, a large revenue split for Vdara owners - anything to keep buyers from walking away -a percentage of which most likely will to cut their losses.

[mac78130]

That sure is a lot of empty space.
flickr photo by Kevin Netz (http://flickr.com/photos/kevinnetz/3258830754/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3258830754_acb04617f4_b.jpg