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CHAPINM1
Feb 5, 2009, 9:53 PM
Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

justdefended
Feb 5, 2009, 10:08 PM
So is the Crystals' facade going to be that white, are they going to paint over it, what? I like all the angles but not so much the color.
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/citycenter2.jpg
http://www.polotowers.com/centerstrip_cam.html

I think the final finish will be a matte silver:

http://i39.tinypic.com/29gkdnn.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b039bd1f8d.jpg

mac78130
Feb 5, 2009, 10:25 PM
Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

Love it or hate it, it's a part of the Vegas skyline, so I guess we'll have to learn to live with it.
:cheers:

jayguy
Feb 5, 2009, 11:07 PM
Took these today of the crowns going up on both Cosmo towers.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r90/jayguy4/lv%20skyscrapers/cosmocrown.jpg

mac78130
Feb 6, 2009, 1:47 AM
Can you see me now? :haha:
flickr photo by daniel julian (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_julian/3256320093/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3256320093_4c5c82be88_b.jpg

Krases
Feb 6, 2009, 2:38 AM
Its bright but it just seems to sort of blend in. I would have to see it for myself, but I would have to say that its a good edition.

NYC2ATX
Feb 6, 2009, 3:03 AM
A night shot of the entire Vegas skyline in 2010 is going to fucking blow all of our minds to Saturn......I absolutely cannot wait. :D

MrV
Feb 6, 2009, 10:43 AM
Call me crazy but I think the signage of Westgate nicely contributes to the skyline overall. :)

I don't really mind it either. It's a bit flashy and tacky but isn't that what Vegas is al about.:D

Jake2006
Feb 6, 2009, 2:13 PM
More bad news for City Center. County orders third party inspection of campus buildings.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/06/just-making-sure/

mac78130
Feb 6, 2009, 5:10 PM
More bad news for City Center. County orders third party inspection of campus buildings.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/06/just-making-sure/

I wonder if some of the condo buyers are going to try to use this excuse to get out of their contracts?

Jake2006
Feb 6, 2009, 5:22 PM
I wonder if some of the condo buyers are going to try to use this excuse to get out of their contracts?

I doubt many will close anyway unless MGM decides to reduce the prices to current values (which I doubt). No one in their right mind would close on a unit that will automatically lose 30% of its value at closing. It is like driving a new car off the lot where its value automatically loses its value once it hits the street.

justdefended
Feb 6, 2009, 7:05 PM
I doubt many will close anyway unless MGM decides to reduce the prices to current values (which I doubt). No one in their right mind would close on a unit that will automatically lose 30% of its value at closing. It is like driving a new car off the lot where its value automatically loses its value once it hits the street.

I think MGM definitely has to come up with some incentives for encourage buyers to close. Either furnishing packages, interest buydowns, a large revenue split for Vdara owners - anything to keep buyers from walking away -a percentage of which most likely will to cut their losses.

mac78130
Feb 6, 2009, 7:37 PM
That sure is a lot of empty space.
flickr photo by Kevin Netz (http://flickr.com/photos/kevinnetz/3258830754/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3258830754_acb04617f4_b.jpg

DMaldon762
Feb 6, 2009, 7:49 PM
I miss the Stardust :-(

Veerish
Feb 6, 2009, 7:57 PM
I think MGM definitely has to come up with some incentives for encourage buyers to close. Either furnishing packages, interest buydowns, a large revenue split for Vdara owners - anything to keep buyers from walking away -a percentage of which most likely will to cut their losses.

I would hope CityCenter has been working on something for us buyers who will be financing our purchase, but I am not aware of anything yet. There is a lot that can happen between now and December. I have been told that cash buyers will close first and they are expecting that to begin around Nov 30th. If I could walk away from this right now, with my full deposit, I probably would. That's not so much because of the construction issues, but mainly because of the price I paid and the current state of the economy. I plan to stick it out and I do have confidence that Vegas and this project will ultimately be a great investment.

Veerish
Feb 6, 2009, 8:19 PM
I think the final finish will be a matte silver:

http://i39.tinypic.com/29gkdnn.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b039bd1f8d.jpg


Here's pics of the models in the Sales Pavillion

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35108540@N05/3258910748/

Jake2006
Feb 6, 2009, 8:25 PM
This was just posted on the Compliance Reporter out of New York:

"Widely-circulated rumors that Dubai World has revoked its commitment to finance MGM Mirage's CityCenter development in Las Vegas drove MGM bonds down 10 to 15 points last week. MGM bonds maturing in five to six months fell to 84-85 last Thursday morning, from 95-96 the previous week. Bonds maturing in 2010 plunged to the low 70s from 85. The drop reflects investor fear over the impact an unfinished, unfunded CityCenter would have on MGM's balance sheet, one trader said."

Really bad news for CityCenter if it is true.

RandalR
Feb 6, 2009, 9:00 PM
That sure is a lot of empty space.
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The El Ad/Plaza site is a natural acquisition for Steve Wynn once the price gets low enough. Echelon, too. A few years into this depression he'll probably be able to pick up both of them for less than 100 million dollars.

CosmoVegas
Feb 6, 2009, 9:18 PM
This was just posted on the Compliance Reporter out of New York:

"Widely-circulated rumors that Dubai World has revoked its commitment to finance MGM Mirage's CityCenter development in Las Vegas drove MGM bonds down 10 to 15 points last week. MGM bonds maturing in five to six months fell to 84-85 last Thursday morning, from 95-96 the previous week. Bonds maturing in 2010 plunged to the low 70s from 85. The drop reflects investor fear over the impact an unfinished, unfunded CityCenter would have on MGM's balance sheet, one trader said."

Really bad news for CityCenter if it is true.

Here is the link, you have to subscribe for full story:
http://compliancereporter.com/ArticleLogin.aspx?ArticleID=2096897

and another not so great report from two days ago:
http://www.casinogamingstock.net/news/mgm-mirage-suffers-loss-of-confidence-90266

Jake2006
Feb 6, 2009, 9:37 PM
Here is the link, you have to subscribe for full story:
http://compliancereporter.com/ArticleLogin.aspx?ArticleID=2096897

and another not so great report from two days ago:
http://www.casinogamingstock.net/news/mgm-mirage-suffers-loss-of-confidence-90266

Thanks for the links. Apparently the rumors about Dubai started last week but that was the first I had heard of it. I think Dubai is having their own economic issues but I thought they were in a contract agreement so I'm not sure how they could pull out at this stage of the game.

JDRCRASH
Feb 6, 2009, 11:02 PM
^ Dude, Dubai is currently constructing nearly 5O Million Sq ft of real estate. And the total number of Proposed space probably doubles that number, especially when you include Dubailand, Jumeirah Gardens, Nakheel Tower, Mohammed Bin Rashed Gardens, etc.

Dubai was built for a population of at least 10 Million people. Right now the population is less than 2 Million......

Seva
Feb 7, 2009, 12:28 AM
Looks like I actually do take photos every now and then. Taken from vehicle so they are not the best.

Fontainebleau building cluster.
http://i42.tinypic.com/a3mfpx.jpg

Closeup, Lightpole got in the way, oh well.
http://i39.tinypic.com/72tv0k.jpg

Cosmopolitan
http://i40.tinypic.com/16m7s44.jpg

Mandarin Oriental
http://i44.tinypic.com/16ae4pu.jpg

JUHL. My favorite project downtown that everyone has forgotten. It's probably been under construction since the stone age but it is almost done.
http://i43.tinypic.com/11b172r.jpg

mac78130
Feb 7, 2009, 1:19 AM
Great pics Seva! Looks like they are installing glass on the lower part of the Harmon.

worldpool
Feb 7, 2009, 4:21 AM
i love the pics they show how thing going on the hotels i cant wait intell there open

mac78130
Feb 7, 2009, 10:00 PM
From the webcam, it looks like work has begun on Fontainebleau's lobby and porte cochere ?

NormalgeNyus
Feb 8, 2009, 12:35 AM
Flickr Photo by keithbradley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithbradley/3234214439/)
It's amazing how the bent steel will turn out to be a wonderful work of art :)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3130/3234214439_0240c05488_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3234214749_8dee7ff7f3_b.jpg

i dont mean to be rude but is this suppose to be like a sick joke of the world trade center from 9-11?

sammyg
Feb 8, 2009, 1:07 AM
If bent metal can't be used because it's reminiscent of terrorist attacks, that's awful. I hope people can separate the two.

I don't really see it though - especially since the 9/11 remains weren't really bent - the staircase and one wall were shattered but still straight. Also, the windows don't look the same at all.

mac78130
Feb 8, 2009, 1:27 AM
i dont mean to be rude but is this suppose to be like a sick joke of the world trade center from 9-11?

This is the Lou Ruvo Brain Institute designed by architect Frank Gehry, and NO the architecture has nothing to do with 9-11.

Jake2006
Feb 8, 2009, 3:28 AM
^ Dude, Dubai is currently constructing nearly 5O Million Sq ft of real estate. And the total number of Proposed space probably doubles that number, especially when you include Dubailand, Jumeirah Gardens, Nakheel Tower, Mohammed Bin Rashed Gardens, etc.

Dubai was built for a population of at least 10 Million people. Right now the population is less than 2 Million......

From the [I]Arabian Busines.com dated 2/2/2009[I]

"Property prices on the Palm Jumeirah, the island dubbed the ‘eighth wonder of the world', have fallen by over 100 per cent since September 2008 amid fears the global credit crisis is stalling the emirate's economy.

Four-bedroom garden homes on the Palm are now selling as low as Dh6.5 million, down from Dh14 million in September 2008 according to sales agents PowerHouse Properties."

mdiederi
Feb 8, 2009, 3:46 AM
"Property prices on the Palm Jumeirah, the island dubbed the ‘eighth wonder of the world', have fallen by over 100 per cent ...

... now selling as low as Dh6.5 million, down from Dh14 million ...
Um, isn't that a little more than a 50% drop? A 100% drop would put the value at zero.

WanderingQueen
Feb 8, 2009, 3:50 AM
"Property prices on the Palm Jumeirah...have fallen by over 100 per cent..."

Another fine example of what passes for journalism these days.

Krases
Feb 8, 2009, 3:52 AM
Hahahaha!

WOW.

jazfingr
Feb 8, 2009, 4:57 AM
If bent metal can't be used because it's reminiscent of terrorist attacks, that's awful. I hope people can separate the two.

I don't really see it though - especially since the 9/11 remains weren't really bent - the staircase and one wall were shattered but still straight. Also, the windows don't look the same at all.

Gehry is trying to capture the twisted mind of the Alzheimer patient since this building is the Alzheimer's research center. perhapps you should look at his other works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gehry :D

fishordie
Feb 8, 2009, 6:12 AM
Okay,

I just got home from a drive down the strip. Although I am a unit owner of several properties at the Cosmo I looked with an open mind and have to ask the following question.... Am I the only one who is horrified as to how the building of City Center and Cosmo almost all the way to Las Vegas Blvd. has destroyed a once panoramic and majestic setting??? Has the lack of set back on the West side of the Blvd, removed that magical feeling that once existed from the grand front features and the classic styling of Bellagio all the way south until you got to a sort of cheesy feel of New York New York.

As we made that drive south and came across the Camelot features of Excalibur I suddenly longed for the Theme based Vegas of yesterday at least from the exterior perspective. The entire section from Cosmo/Jockey Club south past Mandarin looks more like the back of a mall or high rise than a grand entrance to multi billion dollar complexes. The Mandarin blending into the Crystals, with a trace of Veer, fading into a boring Harmon, with a very much narrowed Harmon blvd. between another monster high rise ala the Cosmo has left me with a very dull and unfulfilled feeling of what I expected to be shear magnificence. Rather I am left with too many high rises that finally go North where relief is found in the form of the fabulous Bellagio. Even Paris, on the east side of the Blvd. has a much more appealing visage than the section surrounding all sides of Harmon Blvd where it meets the strip. These leviathans of modern design have left me cold and saddened.

With P.H. on the East and C.C. and Cosmo on the west, that section appears to have choked off the Blvd. Granted this is a cold and rather wet night and basically no lights were on in the facilities yet there is a harshness associated with these Gotham City feeling High Rises. I fear the joy of the drive, even on a crowded holiday weekend, along the strip is not going to have nearly the once awe inspiring feel, at least along this new section of strip, it once had.

I do not doubt once inside these edifices the customer will be treated to a plethora of delights but my goodness, what have we done to the exterior of the strip??? Has the absurd cost of an acre of land along the strip made it mandatory to remove any and all setbacks on future projects as the developers feel compelled to use up every last foot of land for income producing structures??

As I drove past the Cosmo and approached the Bellagio I could not help but be struck by the sharp contrast in design and more importantly CLASS. Granted, the fabulous fountains and landscaping surrounding the Bellagio may never be seen again but the concept of building structure all the way to the side walk will never get my vote for future designs and I was a great supporter of the concept of ease of access for the walking patrons along Las Vegas Blvd. I now realize the best situation for all users would be to have some set back for aesthetics but not so far back as to make it inconvenient for the walkers to access the structures. As I said, even Paris, which never was one of my favorite projects, makes C.C. and Cosmo just look like overgrown monsters rising up to the sky.

I admit, I am not a great fan of New York City. I do not like the crowded high rise feel of Tokyo though that city is looking much warmer to me after having taken this drive. My lasting memory will be of the Crystals looking like the side or back of a mall rather than the main front facade of a retail complex.

Will proper lighting and the removal of the fences change my mind on what I saw tonight??? Maaaan, I hope so because right now it looks like hell. But that is just my opinion. I am curious to see the opinions of others.

FOD

mac78130
Feb 8, 2009, 7:29 AM
Fishordie-

I think once the landscaping is in place it will help soften all the hardscape. The lighting at night will also have a dramatic effect. :)

mac78130
Feb 8, 2009, 9:26 AM
Cloudy day on the strip
flickr photo by patrick nolte (http://flickr.com/photos/pnolte/3262830338/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/3262830338_169b192824_b.jpg

PhxPavilion
Feb 8, 2009, 12:35 PM
Okay,

I just got home from a drive down the strip. Although I am a unit owner of several properties at the Cosmo I looked with an open mind and have to ask the following question.... Am I the only one who is horrified as to how the building of City Center and Cosmo almost all the way to Las Vegas Blvd. has destroyed a once panoramic and majestic setting???...

You must be a fan of sprawl and cheesy themed casinos...because that is what the majority of Vegas is. The Bellagio was originally envisioned as a resort surrounded by a huge man made lake with boats and all that jazz, the sort you would expect to see in Hawaii or Miami. City Center and Cosmo are pretty much the first to be truely urban in design and, imo, the most classy and upscale looking projects in the city. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, they are just different.

Once they're done and lit I think they'll look great, different...but still great.

Snotick
Feb 8, 2009, 2:09 PM
I understand what fishordie is saying. Since Vegas has always been a treat for the senses, I think at their current state, Cosmo and CC lend very little to the passer-by. Most Vegas properties Wow you from the moment you step onto, or come within view of it. This is what makes the Vegas skyline so identifiable. I watch this thread simply because I love Vegas. Unlike most others here that love skyscrapers, I could identify very few other skylines.
I think City Center, and definetely Cosmo may have lost some of the "Wow" factor that visitors get when they step onto the property. (dont confuse this with stepping inside the property) Just think back to the first time you went to the Bellagio. It wasnt the atrium that you saw first, it was probably the Bell Tower from a distance, you knew you were getting close. Then it was the lake, maybe the fountains were in full action, if not, you immediately thought to yourself, I need to make sure I see the fountains before I leave. The Mirage has the Volcano, NY NY the Statue of Liberty, even the newest penny on the block, Wynn and Encore invite you onto the property with nice landscape. It feels like your walking in a park, that just happens to end at a casino.
I know that City Center has a lot of room to landscape and make it inviting, with the sidewalk barrier and current state it doesn't look very inviting. On the other hand, Cosmo had very little land to work with. I hope it doesn't end up looking like an office building.

mdiederi
Feb 8, 2009, 3:53 PM
CityCenter and Cosmo were just an empty dirt lot before. Not very majestic.

RandalR
Feb 8, 2009, 5:20 PM
I think City Center, and definetely Cosmo may have lost some of the "Wow" factor that visitors get when they step onto the property.

They look like somewhat unusual downtown office buildings. This may or may not be a good thing for Las Vegas going forward, but they do sort of "clash" with Bellagio, MGM Grand, and especially New York, New York. Echelon would have been the same. Fontainebleau is a little different and it's podium levels should be a wonder to behold, but clearly all of these glass-walled buildings constitute a phase in the development of Las Vegas, and may come to look rather dated in about twenty years. A lot of casual visitors actually do come to Las Vegas to gawk at Excalibur, and they aren't going to be drawn in by the likes of Aria.

On the other hand, some of the recent themed property proposals that never got off the ground looked pretty bad by comparison - the poor economy has spared us from the hideous Plaza, for example. ;)

Krases
Feb 8, 2009, 7:33 PM
I think hotel owners want to try something very new. Plus unlike most of the strip hotels, these new complex's have large amounts of condo's...so they may think that the condo owners want nothing to do with a theme.

It also might be an attempt at diversification and making Vegas "grow up" and lose all family appeal. These new casino's are trying to appeal to a different audience. I myself would like to see a bit more in the area of the themed hotel casino's...I know my little cousin had a freaking brain hemorrhage when she saw Excalibur.

Then again, its good to try something new. After the landscaping and lighting is in place, I think thigns will improve.

Plus gray buildings look horrible in cloudy weather. They are as dull as you can get. I think when it gets brighter out, the towers will gleam better.

mac78130
Feb 8, 2009, 8:16 PM
Wow, that looks...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/08/adaptation-or-disaster/
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/07/scaled.harmon_t318.jpg?35f122e0f08a19b997c3516b471ccb8daa82d675

Krases
Feb 8, 2009, 9:12 PM
So...who is going to really hang for this?

I imagine the construction company building it probably just lost a lot of future contracts here in Vegas. Or is more the architects fault?

justdefended
Feb 8, 2009, 9:38 PM
Wow, that looks...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/08/adaptation-or-disaster/
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/07/scaled.harmon_t318.jpg?35f122e0f08a19b997c3516b471ccb8daa82d675

That doesn't look as good. But it sounds like MGM is looking into revising the final shell of the building:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/39192767.html

"It is still a work in progress," is how MGM-Mirage spokesman Gordon Absher described the process of revising the hotel's silhouette. "We have some of the best architects and designers in the world working on CityCenter. We're confident in their ability to work in the situation and conditions we have."

Hopefully they can rework the roof to have it not seem like it was chopped in two.

Snotick
Feb 8, 2009, 9:39 PM
CityCenter and Cosmo were just an empty dirt lot before. Not very majestic.

Thats exactly what we are talking about, CC and cosmo have taken an open area and pushed the buildings right up to the strip. There is no space (at least with Cosmo) to invite visitors to explore the property.

And as far as people thinking that I am talking about only the older and cheesier Vegas properties....; the last time I was at the Wynn, it was set back from the strip, and allowed visitors more to take in than just a wall and a door.

If suddenly a group of investors took a 1 mile stretch of highrises, skycrapers, etc in NY and turned them into Casinos I would never want to go and visit.

RandalR
Feb 8, 2009, 9:52 PM
Hopefully they can rework the roof to have it not seem like it was chopped in two.

Sure, they could probably put a twenty story spire on top that wouldn't weigh enough to pose a risk to the building's structural integrity.

justdefended
Feb 8, 2009, 9:54 PM
Sure, they could probably put a twenty story spire on top that wouldn't weigh enough to pose a risk to the building's structural integrity.

Made my own revision. I think it looks better than the stump. Basically a cap on the 28 stories but angled to work better with Crystals.

http://i40.tinypic.com/10fb6ms.jpg

jazfingr
Feb 9, 2009, 12:29 AM
Made my own revision. I think it looks better than the stump. Basically a cap on the 28 stories but angled to work better with Crystals.

lol, I was just about to do that in sketchup. Not exactly what you did, but similar.

mac78130
Feb 9, 2009, 12:46 AM
Where in the hell is everybody?
McCarran Airport
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/08/fewer-visitors-means-fewer-fares-go-around/
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/07/scaled.0208_met_cabbies02_t652.jpg?1b9ad394c43bb038fa9e51a462e45d6568471167

heyyoucharlie
Feb 9, 2009, 1:07 AM
Where in the hell is everybody?
McCarran Airport
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/08/fewer-visitors-means-fewer-fares-go-around/


Sign of the times... :( (BTW, the replies to stories in the LV Sun and LVRJ are a cross between sad and funny as hell. We live in a very strange town.)


Anyway, planning a trip out to the dam on Tuesday (if the weather gets better) to take some dam bridge pictures. Anyone have any other picture requests???

VegasBound
Feb 9, 2009, 1:59 AM
Has the absurd cost of an acre of land along the strip made it mandatory to remove any and all setbacks on future projects as the developers feel compelled to use up every last foot of land for income producing structures??
FOD

You got it backwards. The fact that the county will rubberstamp just about any setback variance requested on the strip has in itself greatly contributed to the escalation of strip land prices.

Although I think that City Center will be something to behold, in general I think that the more the strip gets walled off the more of its character will be lost.

mdiederi
Feb 9, 2009, 4:23 AM
the last time I was at the Wynn, it was set back from the strip, and allowed visitors more to take in than just a wall and a door.
Wynn has a big imposing, and ugly, fake mountain in front blocking the view of the place. At Encore the front door is pretty close to the street and the west end of the tower is just as close to the street.

mdiederi
Feb 9, 2009, 4:27 AM
Anyway, planning a trip out to the dam on Tuesday (if the weather gets better) to take some dam bridge pictures.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/Hoover%20Dam%20Bypass/december.jpg
©CFLHD & HDR
http://www.hooverdambypass.org/Const_PhotoAlbum.htm

WonderlandPark
Feb 9, 2009, 5:10 AM
Where in the hell is everybody?
McCarran Airport
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/08/fewer-visitors-means-fewer-fares-go-around/
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/07/scaled.0208_met_cabbies02_t652.jpg?1b9ad394c43bb038fa9e51a462e45d6568471167

Hmm, I was there about 10 days ago and dropped off a friend who was flying home (I was driving) and it seemed reasonably busy. Mid day, mid week.

mac78130
Feb 9, 2009, 6:06 AM
Last tower crane is being removed from Aria. Opening is just a little over 10 months, mmmm I can almost taste it :slob:

justdefended
Feb 9, 2009, 6:53 AM
Last tower crane is being removed from Aria. Opening is just a little over 10 months, mmmm I can almost taste it :slob:

Can't wait.

Strange how a building as complex as Aria, massive with intersecting arcs, didn't have any substantial problems (as far as we know). Vdara was the quickest to top off and had an unusual three cresent layer build. Veer (aside from the additon of fiberglass jackets) came out as planned. Yet Harmon, which looked so damn straightforward as an oval, winds up having the most problems.

Complex01
Feb 9, 2009, 7:02 AM
That picture of the new bridge going over hoover dam is awesome. Very Kewl...

:tup:

mac78130
Feb 9, 2009, 7:45 AM
Opening in three weeks :)
The M Resort
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wW77uslgL3M/SXv7XrD5naI/AAAAAAAAA-E/fpl0kt7upFU/s720/DSC_0024a.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/view?q=las%20vegas%20construction&uname=mac78130&psc=G&filter=1&orderby=relevance#5295102171018796450

Snotick
Feb 9, 2009, 2:30 PM
Wynn has a big imposing, and ugly, fake mountain in front blocking the view of the place. At Encore the front door is pretty close to the street and the west end of the tower is just as close to the street.

I guess everyone has there opinion. Bellagio has a giant fake lake in front of it. So does Treasure Island (not to mention a big ship). Mirage has a mountain too, that one erupts (sometimes)
I guess my question is... What will Cosmo have that will set it apart from the rest of the properties? What will invite people to enter?
A lot of people that dont follow construction actually think the Cosmo is just part of City Center.
The Bellagio fountains are one of the most viewed attractions in the world. When I think of each property in Vegas, most can be defined by one or two things. Show 100 people a picture of the fountains, and most can identify it. Same holds true with the MGM lion. Heck, even a picture of the Statue of Liberty...or the Eiffel Tower...or the Stratosphere. It is these undeniable features that has made Las Vegas special. City Center has some unique structures that will hopefully set itself apart and people will know it by picture. The Cosmo on the other hand looks like any of hundred random buildings in a dozen different cities.

mdiederi
Feb 9, 2009, 3:21 PM
Strange how a building as complex as Aria, massive with intersecting arcs, didn't have any substantial problems (as far as we know). Vdara was the quickest to top off and had an unusual three cresent layer build. Veer (aside from the additon of fiberglass jackets) came out as planned. Yet Harmon, which looked so damn straightforward as an oval, winds up having the most problems.
The county has ordered all the towers reinspected. I heard Veer did have some problems, but they were fixable.

fishordie
Feb 9, 2009, 3:35 PM
Since I have put this though out there and talking with folks all around Vegas,
One constant theme has held true. Folks either love the new buildings or hate them. Most of the younger folks who fall in line with owning BMS's, know what a Louis Vuitton is, etc. seem to love the new high rise designs and are not at all affected by the lack of setback or classic features I have come to love in Vegas. I was actually surprised by how many fall into this category however, most could not afford to own there. They will however, stay there at least if they can afford it. There are even a few folks getting towards my age who fall into the "Love it" category. However, an equal number of folks did not like what was happening at the corner of Harmon and L.V. Blvd. with may saying they were appalled. The one thing I found interesting was the folks who loved it also wanted Vegas to develop into
a residential, cosmopolitan city, with gambling and other assorted activities.
They envisioned the strip to become the mecca for their business, residential and daily activities somewhat akin to New York City. Most felt this model would meet their demands perfectly. Somehow I just can never see Vegas that way.

Someone wrote I must like Cheesy Casinos and Urban Sprawl but that is not the case. Las Vegas has been about dreams and imagery, Fantasy and Fabulous. Snotik noted Vegas is the only skyline he could pick out of a group of major cities. I am with Snotik, I love the uniqueness of Vegas and the wildest Frontages and setbacks tend to be my favorite spots at least from an exterior perspective. Based on the numbers of visitor who stand and ogle the fountains at Bellagio and the numbers of folks who frequent her boutiques and amenities, I guess we are not alone. Bellagio was one of the most successful and desirable of all the casino/hotels probably in the world.

Somehow or another, cities developed "around Vegas". Families came and put down roots in the adjoining neighborhoods. However, these were always separate from the Vegas based theme as more and more folks came with children and the hopes of raising children in this environment.

My opinion is Vegas should never have given thought to residential living along the strip. It appeals to a very small pool of actual users rather than investors. Gambling based infrastructure just cannot support high end living on a grandiose scale. Changing the face of Vegas on more time, in the face of this economy, has turned into a disaster for the developers, unit purchasers, and ultimately with all the soon to be unfinished projects, left in various stages of development, waving in the wind like giant banners declaring we "F...Ked up".

My entire point is any time Vegas has gotten away from Adult themed Fantasy that provides the appearance of a reasonable value to all levels of
the spending public, Vegas becomes the loser. What was once considered recession proof is now the poster child for the recession. Can I directly blame the C.C.'s and Cosmo's in this regard?? No, it is not the structures themselves who have dampened the spirit of Vegas rather it is the genius's whose ego's got lost along with the tops of their debt ridden facilities somewhere up in the clouds as well as the moron's who were willing to finance this mega screwup of a ponzi scheme. At some point, the pyramid got to massive and too tall and like all pyramid schemes, sorry for the analogy MGM but it sure applies, the schemes fall like a house of cards.

FOD

The overwhelming majority of folks I spoke too will no longer spend 17 dollars on a cocktail or a few hundred dollars on a meal. They will no longer frequent the 20, 50 or 100 dollar minimum tables that popped up to support the projects massive dept burden. The younger folks are now appalled by the elitism that has permeated the clubs and bars showing looks of disdain at those guarded behind the red velvet ropes where once these same folks looked with awe.


I guess everyone has there opinion. Bellagio has a giant fake lake in front of it. So does Treasure Island (not to mention a big ship). Mirage has a mountain too, that one erupts (sometimes)
I guess my question is... What will Cosmo have that will set it apart from the rest of the properties? What will invite people to enter?
A lot of people that dont follow construction actually think the Cosmo is just part of City Center.
The Bellagio fountains are one of the most viewed attractions in the world. When I think of each property in Vegas, most can be defined by one or two things. Show 100 people a picture of the fountains, and most can identify it. Same holds true with the MGM lion. Heck, even a picture of the Statue of Liberty...or the Eiffel Tower...or the Stratosphere. It is these undeniable features that has made Las Vegas special. City Center has some unique structures that will hopefully set itself apart and people will know it by picture. The Cosmo on the other hand looks like any of hundred random buildings in a dozen different cities.

mac78130
Feb 9, 2009, 3:45 PM
So...who is going to really hang for this?

I imagine the construction company building it probably just lost a lot of future contracts here in Vegas. Or is more the architects fault?

Perini redirects blame.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/09/perini-redirects-blame-errors-harmon/

tumbleweed
Feb 9, 2009, 7:07 PM
I guess things could be worse for CityCenter... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixHQOJcesVF9s3PnqSAHsCor5NwAD9684U2G1
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/09/china.hotel.fire/index.html

You would think the sprinkler system would have been fully active since the tower was enclosed.

JDRCRASH
Feb 9, 2009, 7:30 PM
^ Yeah, for a second I thought it was CCTV that was burning!

VegasMatt
Feb 9, 2009, 8:04 PM
CityCenter and Cosmo were just an empty dirt lot before. Not very majestic.

The lot used to be the boardwalk casino.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/392368026_d4cebdd1b7_b.jpg

CharoogAjram
Feb 9, 2009, 8:37 PM
^^Wow. I'm so happy that thing is gone! It was so crazy inside. And that clown was freaky as hell too.

mac78130
Feb 9, 2009, 8:55 PM
Wish this pic showed the entire project, but still a good shot.
flickr photo by daveambition (http://flickr.com/photos/bigkitty/3266410011/)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/252/3266410011_c05dc2a190_b.jpg

VegasMatt
Feb 9, 2009, 9:03 PM
Okay,

Am I the only one who is horrified as to how the building of City Center and Cosmo almost all the way to Las Vegas Blvd. has destroyed a once panoramic and majestic setting???

FOD

You are not alone.

I have mixed feelings about the two properties. I’m trying reserve judgment until they are finished. On one hand, I’m glad the investment has come to the city. The Boardwalk’s property was also in need of update, badly. It’s also very exciting to have the most expensive privately funded project in the US built in town.

However overall, I’d have to agree with you about the exterior. They don’t have that fantastical feeling you get from many of the others. I’ve felt, right from the start, that the complexes feel far more like really nice office buildings than really nice resorts. I would’ve greatly preferred the designs to chase after fantasy rather than sophistication. Hopefully, they aren’t cutting back on the lighting to meet new Greener Standards. Eco-friendly lighting has no place Mid-Strip.

I brought a pretentious friend by the resort last week thinking he’d love it, and he was very lasse faire about the whole thing. This was unsettling because I believe the resort was built for his type of personally. He just commented that it still wasn’t as good as anything in New York or Chicago. I suspect these projects where built to show how sophisticated or “Grown Up” Las Vegas has become. Probably because some executives’ egos have been bruised when they chatted with their pompous friends on Wall Street. I don’t think any project will change the way those type of people view the city.

The whole argument about more executive like buildings being needed to make Las Vegas more adult is moot. If you don’t think this town isn’t the most adult oriented city in the U.S. your driving with blinders on. All the themed hotels and neon does make the city exciting and sometimes silly, however it’s still pretty far from kiddy friendly.

Overall, with the ungodly amount of money they are pouring into the projects, it’s disappointing that they are not jaw dropping from the outside.
To be fair, I don’t know what is planned for the inside which may be incredible. Sadly, I’m worried it’s just going to feel like an upscale mall.
If this is the case, that really would be a shame, since no more projects on these scales will be built in the near future- if ever.

Let's wait and see, I have my fingers crossed.

jazfingr
Feb 9, 2009, 9:15 PM
The lot used to be the boardwalk casino.




http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1110/3266923755_eb67f68981_o.jpg

The Boardwalk only occupied a small portion of the CityCenter site on the Las Vegas Strip. The rest of it was a parking lot for Bellagio employees.

leftopolis
Feb 9, 2009, 10:33 PM
Just another opinion wrt the recent trend of The Strip(and while not a resident, I've been a regular visitor over the past 15 years:

(FOD: Nothing personal, but here's a contrarian opinion to your's:)

The Strip is for adults, period. I know America seems to have no shortage of 50 year old children...but the reality is it's for adults. Most adults are not attracted to the themed resorts such as Excalibur--sorry, but that's the kind of attraction that makes 12 year old girls giggle--The Strip is The Strip, and let Disneyland be Disneyland, OK? The biggest mistake was to gear The Strip towards "families"--and I'm glad it's over! Any parent that finds it appropriate to bring kids to The Strip--is an idiot. I'm thrilled that the most recent evolution of The Strip has been a more conservative, adult-themed, urbanish evolution. The only unfortunate drawback, is that it's heavy on the upper-middle-class demographic. There's a huge market of people like myself, who are willing to drop $100-$125 a night for a room, $20-$25 for a decent dinner and we'll spend a few bills per night @ the casino...where the heck are we supposed to go now? Circus-Circus? A little to kid-centric.

I'm also a walker. I show up in Vegas and either walk or ride the monorail(please, please, please, make it go from the airport!). I'm disappointed that the older resorts are aften a 1/4 mile hike to the entrance--again, as an adult, I could care less about fountains, gigantic fake mountains, roller-coasters, and fake volcanos. I want to enjoy the wacky street-life, and an easy walk-to casino in an urbanish/walkable environment. The new buildings deliver. However, keep in mind that while The Strip may be evolving into an urbanish environment, it will never BE urban--it's simply not possible with the layout of the gargantuan blocks.

So yeah,
#1: screw the themed resorts--I'm more likely to visit. In fact, make the whole Strip --adults only--and legalize the brothels there(Strip area only).
#2: Add some middle-class-affordable(non-themed) venues.
#3: Keep it a walkable environment, as the current trend has evolved into.
#4: Keep focusing on downtown and I'll spend some of my $$$ there, too!

That would encourage this visitor to visit more often and spend more $$

CharoogAjram
Feb 9, 2009, 11:57 PM
The biggest mistake was to gear The Strip towards "families"--and I'm glad it's over! Any parent that finds it appropriate to bring kids to The Strip--is an idiot.

I'm not a huge fan of themed resorts like Exaclibur and Circus Circus either, but that was a pretty arrogant statement about the parents being idiots. Yes Vegas is a place for adults, but its not inappropriate for kids. Kids usually hang inside the resorts most the time, like at the arcades and pools. Its not like they go to clubs. Pictures of half-naked women is the real world, and if it was such a big problem they would have put a stop to it years ago.

Krases
Feb 10, 2009, 2:37 AM
You guys are bumming me out with the comments about city center. I see your point though, I don't want the strip to look like New York either. My favorite hotels are the Venetian and the Bellagio due to there amazing presentations out front.

I am going to hold back judgment on city center for now. I need to see what its lighting is like and what they do about landscaping.

CHAPINM1
Feb 10, 2009, 3:09 AM
The Harmon is thee ultimate symbol of embarassment... On a side note I wouldn't go into the building not knowing exactly how badly the construction went wrong.

jazfingr
Feb 10, 2009, 5:31 AM
Here's my two cents on the issue:

As Steve Wynn well knows, setting a resort a good distance back and filling the front yard with a tourist feature does not equate to more visitors within the resort. The foot traffic stops to watch the free show and then moves on down the road to the next place.

Why is the Flamingo always busy? Two steps from the sidewalk and your in the casino - that's why.

The area between Bill's Gamblin' Saloon and Casino Royale is tight crowed and fun. That's the best area (IMO) on the Strip. CityCenter will have that Strip Close (come on in) appeal.

Another factor is the sensation of standing at the base of a tall building and looking up. That's a wow factor that many folks from small towns have never experienced. And until now, all the tall resorts in Vegas were set too far back.

Krases
Feb 10, 2009, 6:00 AM
Here's my two cents on the issue:

As Steve Wynn well knows, setting a resort a good distance back and filling the front yard with a tourist feature does not equate to more visitors within the resort. The foot traffic stops to watch the free show and then moves on down the road to the next place.

Why is the Flamingo always busy? Two steps from the sidewalk and your in the casino - that's why.

The area between Bill's Gamblin' Saloon and Casino Royale is tight crowed and fun. That's the best area (IMO) on the Strip. CityCenter will have that Strip Close (come on in) appeal.

Another factor is the sensation of standing at the base of a tall building and looking up. That's a wow factor that many folks from small towns have never experienced. And until now, all the tall resorts in Vegas were set too far back.

There was an advertising campaign recently in which an entire small town was sent to Vegas. Funny how you happen to say that about small town folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1p9AbRhnuo

:notacrook:

mac78130
Feb 10, 2009, 10:03 AM
Venetian lawsuit for overtime
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/10/venetian-hit-class-action-suit-over-overtime-pay/
And Tropicana getting an image makeover
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/10/image-makeover-tropicana-will-stress-strip-resorts/

Krases
Feb 10, 2009, 2:56 PM
Hey I just realized we are almost on page 300!

Do we all get a prize?

Snotick
Feb 10, 2009, 5:10 PM
Just another opinion wrt the recent trend of The Strip(and while not a resident, I've been a regular visitor over the past 15 years:

(FOD: Nothing personal, but here's a contrarian opinion to your's:)

Most adults are not attracted to the themed resorts such as Excalibur--sorry, but that's the kind of attraction that makes 12 year old girls giggle--The Strip is The Strip, and let Disneyland be Disneyland, OK? The biggest mistake was to gear The Strip towards "families"--and I'm glad it's over!

Any parent that finds it appropriate to bring kids to The Strip--is an idiot. $$

I guess I am an idiot. But before you judge everyone with a broad stroke, please think before you speak. I took my daughter to Vegas when she was 6. I had two choices, take my daughter, or dont take a vacation with my wife. It was the second time in five years that my wife and I got away for a vacation. My daughter was diagnosed with diabetes at 17 months and there was no one that felt comfortable babysitting her and administering insulin shots. We stayed at the Riviera and Tropicana. My daughter loved Circus Circus, the pool at the Trop, and we even took in a magic show that she liked. My daughter is 12 now and I have one person that feels comfortable and we trust with watching our daughter. We are lucky if my wife and I are able to take a vacation together once a year.
Hopefully your narrow thinking doesn't take over to Vegas. I think that new construction in vegas is catering to a narrow group of people. And now that that narrow group has found itself in financial trouble, they are finding it difficult to reconnect with the older, family, or financially disciplined people. The new properties may be big, and may hold a certain beauty to some, but Vegas has always appealed to the masses. For the simple reason, they never want to turn away a customer.

JDRCRASH
Feb 10, 2009, 5:57 PM
Hey I just realized we are almost on page 300!

Do we all get a prize?

If you ask. :banana:

BrandonJXN
Feb 10, 2009, 6:15 PM
You guys owe me a prize for making it to my page.

mac78130
Feb 10, 2009, 8:21 PM
The Mandarin Sky lobby should have some great views.
flickr photo by Travelin' Librarian (http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3270155536/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3270155536_2f3d6912e3_b.jpg
Mandarin Fan Logo
Travelin' Librarian (http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3269324425/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3382/3269324425_4c70b8039e.jpg?v=0
We saw a lot of activity in the past few weeks, now it seems like everything has come to a crawl.
http://flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3271282804/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3271282804_377f3ae1d9_b.jpg

Zach6668
Feb 11, 2009, 2:24 AM
The new Golden Nugget tower may be the most uninspired, if not downright ugly, new hotel tower in Vegas, if not the US.

Image from VTaT:

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/images/golden_nugget_090204a.jpg

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 3:31 AM
Last crane at Aria being dismantled :yes:
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/ariacrane.jpg
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

fishordie
Feb 11, 2009, 3:31 AM
Has anyone seen the cranes actually lifting anything since the County mandated Perini come up with an inspection plan for the concrete and rebar?? It seems like Cosmo is about the same place it was a week or two ago.
Personally, I haven't seen anything. Just curious.

FOD

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 3:37 AM
Hard Rock Las Vegas South Tower Room

http://www.lasvegaslogue.com/accommodation/las-vegas-hotels/vegas-hotel-developments/first-look-hard-rock-las-vegas-south-tower-room.html

justdefended
Feb 11, 2009, 4:23 AM
Last crane at Aria being dismantled :yes:
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/ariacrane.jpg
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

Beautiful even with only construction lights.

justdefended
Feb 11, 2009, 4:37 AM
New York Times article regarding The Harmon:

Tower Rising in Las Vegas but Now, Not So High

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/us/11vegas.html?ref=us

“There’s a lot of new work to be done in finding the new skyline of CityCenter,” Mr. Absher said. “We’re still working with the county to address their concerns, so new renderings have not yet been issued.”

Sounds like this mess will take a long time. Even late 2010 seems too soon. I hope they find a decent solution so that the final product better matches the scale of the other buildings.

Probably makes them wish they had Vdara up front now.

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 4:45 AM
Harmon looks good, it's a damn shame what they did to this building :(
http://flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3271286696/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3271286696_b690bccae4_b.jpg

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 4:59 AM
New York Times article regarding The Harmon:

Tower Rising in Las Vegas but Now, Not So High

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/us/11vegas.html?ref=us

“There’s a lot of new work to be done in finding the new skyline of CityCenter,” Mr. Absher said. “We’re still working with the county to address their concerns, so new renderings have not yet been issued.”

Sounds like this mess will take a long time. Even late 2010 seems too soon. I hope they find a decent solution so that the final product better matches the scale of the other buildings.

Probably makes them wish they had Vdara up front now.

Are they going to construct 5 more stories to the Harmon? Right now it's at 23 floors, but I've seen that capping is going to be 28 floors in a lot of articles.

justdefended
Feb 11, 2009, 5:30 AM
Are they going to construct 5 more stories to the Harmon? Right now it's at 23 floors, but I've seen that capping is going to be 28 floors in a lot of articles.

Same here, I've seen both 28 and 26 stories quoted in various articles. I'm guessing even that figure is preliminary being that they don't know what the exact profile will end up being.

CharoogAjram
Feb 11, 2009, 6:25 AM
Last crane at Aria being dismantled :yes:
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/ariacrane.jpg
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

Thats great to hear! This weekend when I go, that area of the Strip will finally looka a little cleaner. :P

Krases
Feb 11, 2009, 7:24 AM
I wonder if in the future, if things get better, that the Harmon can be partially rebuilt and they can build it the way they wanted?

It really looks cool on the outside.

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 7:34 AM
WOW TAKEN FROM COSMOPOLITAN BALCONY, LINK WILL TAKE YOU TO PHOTOSTREAM WHERE THERE'S A FEW MORE !!!
MANY DOUBT THAT COSMOPOLITAN WILL BE SUCCESSFULL BUT AFTER SEEING THESE PICS, AMAZING VIEWS.. I THINK IT WILL DO WELL ONCE WE GET OUT OF THIS ECONOMIC MESS.
futurewon (http://flickr.com/photos/30908252@N08/sets/72157613599609397/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3411/3271389572_91c036a7cc_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3422/3271396394_92c773525e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3270581669_53033b07f8_b.jpg

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 7:43 AM
Has anyone seen the cranes actually lifting anything since the County mandated Perini come up with an inspection plan for the concrete and rebar?? It seems like Cosmo is about the same place it was a week or two ago.
Personally, I haven't seen anything. Just curious.

FOD

It seems like something is up. Veer East hasn't really change for awhile. I know it's on the spa/pool level :hmmm:, you can see it from the pics above.

jazfingr
Feb 11, 2009, 9:39 AM
:previous:

Spa/pool areas and utility floors always take more time. It's pretty complex up there.

Bruce911
Feb 11, 2009, 2:52 PM
Why is the Flamingo always busy? Two steps from the sidewalk and your in the casino - that's why.

The area between Bill's Gamblin' Saloon and Casino Royale is tight crowed and fun. That's the best area (IMO) on the Strip. CityCenter will have that Strip Close (come on in) appeal.

True about the Flamingo. But the casino in CityCenter is nowhere near The Strip. They decided to put it way at the "back" of the project, in the Aria. Near The Strip, they put the shopping center and several residential/hotel towers, which are between The Strip and the casino. I guess you can walk down the new section of Harmon, and will find the casino fairly near that street.

mac78130
Feb 11, 2009, 3:40 PM
Close up of Fontainebleau crown
flickr photos from travelin' librarian (http://flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3271742378/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3342/3271742378_6f1d6cc6c6_b.jpg
The Porte Cochere and Lobby are taking shape
http://flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/3271768468/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3271768468_1f4313ea61_b.jpg

Patrick
Feb 12, 2009, 4:18 AM
Thank you Fontainebleau for ruining the famous Strip View. Am I the only one who dosn't like it, its just very disrespectful to its surroundings, its huge as hell.

Krases
Feb 12, 2009, 4:46 AM
Thank you Fontainebleau for ruining the famous Strip View. Am I the only one who dosn't like it, its just very disrespectful to its surroundings, its huge as hell.

It is pretty big, but I have steadily grown to like it a bit more over time. I really appreciated it more when I got up close.

WOW is that thing huge.

Besides, we can always get a new strip view. Somebody just has to build a bigger stratosphere. :D

jazfingr
Feb 12, 2009, 7:24 AM
Wow, the 6,000th post....did I win?