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CHAPINM1
May 6, 2009, 8:06 PM
I love Sky, plus it's location is good, kinda reminds me of the Harmon's position. I say keep sky where it is and someday rebuild Circus Circus or a City Center 2 behind it with buildings that are taller than Sky. Although, Hilton Grand Vacations is downright atrocious.

Also, great shot of Fontainebleau as usual! Sky reflecting from Fontainebleau however is astounding!

mac78130
May 6, 2009, 8:24 PM
This section of the pedestrian bridge looks very cluttered.

flickr photo by Arnaud Le Cantu (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17980308@N05/3507613289/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3618/3507613289_fa659386ac_o.jpg

Krases
May 6, 2009, 10:20 PM
MGM Mirage owns all of that vacant Strip-front land between Circus Circus and Sky. Plenty of room to make a bigger Strip resort presence ... that is, as long as they blow up Circus Circus and replace it with something that complements Sky. :haha:

MGM Mirage doesn't own that square thing to the right of the RV park inside the red line on that satellite shot, that's the new parking garage for the Hilton thing. It was under construction in that shot.


I love Sky, plus it's location is good, kinda reminds me of the Harmon's position. I say keep sky where it is and someday rebuild Circus Circus or a City Center 2 behind it with buildings that are taller than Sky. Although, Hilton Grand Vacations is downright atrocious.



I did not refer to anything, I just eye balled it based on guesses. Here is a fixed version.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9071/awkward2.th.png (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awkward2.png)

They really could build a second City Center on a land plot that big. They could always re-clad Sky to make a color match to some giant new project. I agree also that the grand vacations are ugly, but Sky is nice looking.

You know its funny. The boardwalk casino (were City Center is today) had a giant clown on it. I just picture Circus Circus getting the axe some day. It is starting to get too old by Vegas standards.

When the economy recovers, I would expect there to be a period of paying back debts and rebuilding cash reserves. Then suddenly if the economy is stable for a while, there will be a gigantic building boom. This new boom will be smaller than the previous boom when it comes to new hotels, but will include a major diversification of Vegas's economy. Expect Union Park to be rapidly built up. The strip will also likely continue building north with the area around FB being filled out while Stratosphere possibly receives some company north of Sahara.

I predict something of a "Charleston push" around 2020-2030 with the strip inching towards downtown.

Sound reasonable?

heyyoucharlie
May 7, 2009, 3:34 AM
I agree with moving north toward Charleston, but I don't about Circus Circus. Vegas needs places like this. If the whole Strip becomes all City Center's/Wynn's/Bellagio's and so on, then a huge part of the draw to Vegas could be lost. Vegas need it's glitz as much as it needs its shady.

CharoogAjram
May 7, 2009, 3:44 AM
I agree with moving north toward Charleston, but I don't about Circus Circus. Vegas needs places like this. If the whole Strip becomes all City Center's/Wynn's/Bellagio's and so on, then a huge part of the draw to Vegas could be lost. Vegas need it's glitz as much as it needs its shady.

I agree! As much as I love The Palazzo, CityCenter, and all these new lavishing projects, Vegas would just not be Vegas without places like The Riviera, Circus Circus, The Shara, etc..

I don't know how many years those places have left before they got torn down, but I would still love to see them there 50 years from now.

Krases
May 7, 2009, 4:16 AM
I agree with moving north toward Charleston, but I don't about Circus Circus. Vegas needs places like this. If the whole Strip becomes all City Center's/Wynn's/Bellagio's and so on, then a huge part of the draw to Vegas could be lost. Vegas need it's glitz as much as it needs its shady.

I agree! As much as I love The Palazzo, CityCenter, and all these new lavishing projects, Vegas would just not be Vegas without places like The Riviera, Circus Circus, The Shara, etc..

I don't know how many years those places have left before they got torn down, but I would still love to see them there 50 years from now.

I wasn't saying it was really a good thing about losing CC. There do need to be lower class casino's, but I was just saying it more as a matter of fact based on current trends. The old casino's gradually get replaced be new ones. People used to wear ties and get dressed up to these places in the 50's, then at around the 70's people went casual. Nowadays I think we are seeing a throwback to the 50's with places becoming more middle-upper class.

I think there will always be a market for places like Circus Circus and similar casino's. I just don't think that market will be on the strip.

tumbleweed
May 7, 2009, 11:20 PM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/06/fontainebleau-contractor-no-stranger-overcoming-ad/

Interesting article on the Fontainebleau glazing contractor... Always wondered why the glass was so far behind the concrete going up; sounds like the installer was not performing and they switched 1/3 the way up the tower.

mac78130
May 8, 2009, 12:15 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/06/fontainebleau-contractor-no-stranger-overcoming-ad/

Interesting article on the Fontainebleau glazing contractor... Always wondered why the glass was so far behind the concrete going up; sounds like the installer was not performing and they switched 1/3 the way up the tower.

The views look incredible, especially the one from the crown. :tup:

CHAPINM1
May 8, 2009, 4:08 AM
The views look incredible, especially the one from the crown. :tup:

Agreed!!! It was amazing getting a much awaited inside look from this thing!

mac78130
May 8, 2009, 9:05 AM
The Harmon glass panels that were removed when they were doing "repairs" have been put back in place. Maybe a sign that construction is about to resume.

flickr photo by Las Vegas Love (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alex-martinez/3512546504/)r
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3627/3512546504_a6e0db4a71_b.jpg

DMaldon762
May 8, 2009, 4:38 PM
I just got an e-mail from Monte Carlo about HOTEL32. It looks like MGM used the insurance money from the fire to remodel the top floor to be some type of upscale rooms. I also heard that the 31st floor has been vacated to make sure the HOTEL32 guests are not disturbed by noise. Anybody else hear about this?

ondarox
May 8, 2009, 4:59 PM
I just got an e-mail from Monte Carlo about HOTEL32. It looks like MGM used the insurance money from the fire to remodel the top floor to be some type of upscale rooms. I also heard that the 31st floor has been vacated to make sure the HOTEL32 guests are not disturbed by noise. Anybody else hear about this?

I just got the email too- this project went under the radar I guess. The renderings look great- I'm glad to see that MGM Mirage Design Group are adding more details to their rooms- recent remodels have been a bit too sparse.

Can't wait to see hwo this project turns out. And vacating the 31st floor? Interesting strategy.

Miku Araman
May 8, 2009, 7:50 PM
Here are some picture of the Hotel32 rooms:

Hotel32 at Monte Carlo in Las Vegas (http://www.lasvegasfocus.com/news/2009/05/hotel32-at-monte-carlo-las-vegas/)

mac78130
May 8, 2009, 9:37 PM
Here are some picture of the Hotel32 rooms:

Hotel32 at Monte Carlo in Las Vegas (http://www.lasvegasfocus.com/news/2009/05/hotel32-at-monte-carlo-las-vegas/)

If you prefer music with your pics, here's the link

http://www.montecarlo.com/offers/2009/04_hotel32/flash.html

ieguy441
May 8, 2009, 9:48 PM
What an interesting concept... I'd like to see how this actually plays out. I guess it's a scaled down version of the 4 Seasons at Mandalay Bay.

I can see more hotel casino operators doing this as building new "spa towers" is more or less out of the question for the next decade or so.

mac78130
May 8, 2009, 10:42 PM
A few people ruining the shot, but you can see the pedestrian bridge that goes over CityCenter drive (I'm assuming that's what they are calling it) and brackets being installed for the Veer lobby glass

flickr photo by Las Vegas Lover (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alex-martinez/3511739491/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3511739491_1e32487a47_b.jpg

CityDreamer
May 9, 2009, 12:35 AM
Hi people! First time poster, long time fan! I was born here and have lived here my whole life and I'm always amazed with all the construction that's happened just in the last 17 or so years. I love all the photos, some are really cool! I've had alot of dreams about Las Vegas in the future, and I see it really pushing max. density from the strip outward in around 20 years. And I'm pretty sure we'll have that mag-lev train to Cali by then also...lol!

CHAPINM1
May 9, 2009, 2:32 AM
Regarding Hotel 32, wouldn't ther have to still be some sort of purpose for the 31st floor? They can't just vacate it simply for noice purposes...

NYC2ATX
May 9, 2009, 5:16 AM
Regarding Hotel 32, wouldn't ther have to still be some sort of purpose for the 31st floor? They can't just vacate it simply for noice purposes...

My guess is some kind of skylobby or amenities level, especially if Hotel 32 is supposed to really be a seperate hotel within a hotel.

CHAPINM1
May 9, 2009, 5:24 AM
My guess is some kind of skylobby or amenities level, especially if Hotel 32 is supposed to really be a seperate hotel within a hotel.

That would make sense and would be awesome! BTW I also recieved the email showing the pictures and I was impressed!!!

DMaldon762
May 9, 2009, 12:51 PM
They might have vacated the 31st floor just during the remodel. Who knows.

CharoogAjram
May 9, 2009, 6:49 PM
Hotel32 sounds very interesting. I saw some pictures, and I am impressed.

I hope it can open soon. Like before the end of the year.

It cannot be a lot of work, I suppose. They are just going to bring in new furniture. No constuction will be happening, I think.

ieguy441
May 9, 2009, 7:20 PM
It cannot be a lot of work, I suppose. They are just going to bring in new furniture. No constuction will be happening, I think.

I think this more than some new furniture... The entire upper level was gutted in the fire last year, with a few levels below suffering some fire, water and smoke damage. I imagine the entire 32nd floor has already been gutted down to the exterior walls and is either already under construction on the new rooms, or ready to begin.


Regarding Hotel 32, wouldn't ther have to still be some sort of purpose for the 31st floor? They can't just vacate it simply for noice purposes...



My hypothesis is that if Hotel32 is successful, they will expand it to 2 or 3 other floors below. Or maybe they just want this to be a very small boutique hotel within a hotel.

CHAPINM1
May 9, 2009, 11:43 PM
Hopefully once Fontainebleau and City Center are open will Echelon resume construction. I have a feeling that things are and will slowely be picking up in Vegas! I think that Fontainebleau is really beginning to catch some excitement and will be another reason for people to visit Vegas ranking in more visitors!!!

CityDreamer
May 10, 2009, 6:20 AM
Hopefully once Fontainebleau and City Center are open will Echelon resume construction.

About Echelon, does anyone know if they've done any new construction on this lately? I noticed in that last pic of FB there were some tower cranes around it, and maybe this is just wishful thinking but, have they added floors?

mac78130
May 10, 2009, 7:14 AM
About Echelon, does anyone know if they've done any new construction on this lately? I noticed in that last pic of FB there were some tower cranes around it, and maybe this is just wishful thinking but, have they added floors?

I believe the cranes were left in place because it was cheaper to keep them there than to take them down and then bring them back if construction resumed. Sorry no new floors have been added :(

Krases
May 10, 2009, 6:05 PM
If Echelon was about a year and a half worth of construction further along, we would probably see Boyd in the same situation as MGM is in now. Fighting to keep the project going.

But it was only getting started when the economy went bad. Boyd shelved it rather quickly and said that they would only reconsider continuing construction at the end of 2009.

I drive by it everyday when I head to UNLV. It will be amazing when it is ever finished. Hopefully before the end of my college career.

mac78130
May 10, 2009, 11:34 PM
Came across this website that had a few more Fontainebleau renderings. The lobby looks very futuristic.

http://www.conventionplanit.com/hotel_pop.php?uniq=111179811&facilitie_id=101083#

CHAPINM1
May 11, 2009, 4:10 AM
Came across this website that had a few more Fontainebleau renderings. The lobby looks very futuristic.

http://www.conventionplanit.com/hotel_pop.php?uniq=111179811&facilitie_id=101083#

Great link as always mac78130! :tup:

T-Mac
May 11, 2009, 4:43 AM
Stayed down in Vegas this last week for a conference and took a couple of photos of the City Center. I hope you guys don't mind my sharing.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3520414065_cb8f17d37e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3521213128_212d0058c1_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3520399409_23e2b23782_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3520369113_4ef15913b0_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3664/3520359297_3c236255cb_b.jpg

Brian.
May 11, 2009, 3:26 PM
Got some pics myself to share

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3170/picture121.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture121.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4708/picture124.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture124.jpg)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2369/picture176.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture176.jpg)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3092/picture232n.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture232n.jpg)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5409/picture233.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture233.jpg)

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4644/picture234.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture234.jpg)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4027/picture239h.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture239h.jpg)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2065/picture240.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture240.jpg)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4899/picture242.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture242.jpg)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5889/picture243.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture243.jpg)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3718/picture244.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture244.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1386/picture296.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture296.jpg)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1851/picture312.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture312.jpg)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/506/picture326i.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture326i.jpg)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3746/picture327.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture327.jpg)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/441/picture331u.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture331u.jpg)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9717/picture356.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture356.jpg)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5895/picture370.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture370.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6011/picture413.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture413.jpg)

gmcclenon
May 11, 2009, 8:31 PM
Thanks so much T-Mac and 'Caster! Awesome shots. Thanks for taking the time to post. Great stuff.

CHAPINM1
May 11, 2009, 10:09 PM
That would be really cool if the western (outdoor) portion of the roof of Fontainebleau would be an outdoor terrice accesable from the rest of the crown!

Well, at least it looks like the upper floors will take up only a portion of the overall tower footprint compared to the rest of the floors...

Krases
May 12, 2009, 1:57 AM
Those are some awesome pictures!

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 3:21 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/manor.jpg

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 4:37 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/MaOrSouth.jpg

mac78130
May 12, 2009, 5:01 AM
mdiederi, did you get any shots of the metal cladding that is being installed on the Crystals?

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 6:40 AM
It's really hard to get a straight ahead shot of what they've done so far because it's behind a huge covered construction sidewalk. Eventually they'll start covering an area that is more visible. But, from what I could see, it looks just like the stuff on the surface of the Denver Art Museum. This is the best photo I could get of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/crystalside.jpg

texas_ag
May 12, 2009, 4:41 PM
T-Mac -->crazy good pictures

What type of camera are you using? Or are those photos modified with software.

The colors in them are amazing

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 5:00 PM
Skywalk from the new garage to the Monte Carlo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/mcgarage.jpg

justdefended
May 12, 2009, 5:24 PM
It's really hard to get a straight ahead shot of what they've done so far because it's behind a huge covered construction sidewalk. Eventually they'll start covering an area that is more visible. But, from what I could see, it looks just like the stuff on the surface of the Denver Art Museum. This is the best photo I could get of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/crystalside.jpg

Thanks for the pic. I like the matte bronze look. It'll provide a great contrast to the brighter colors of Veer and Harmon.

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 5:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/CosVed.jpg

mdiederi
May 12, 2009, 6:10 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/moveer.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/veerplate.jpg

ondarox
May 12, 2009, 6:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/CosVed.jpg

Awesome photo! It's probably an optical effect, but in the reflection of the daylight it kind of looks like there's a slight 'dent' in Vdara!

Krases
May 12, 2009, 10:10 PM
Vegas is well on its way to having the most unique skyline out there.

Anxious Traveler
May 12, 2009, 10:17 PM
These building complexes truly make Las Vegas even more unique adding different styles to the already interesting and diverse skyline. It's nice to see modern/ sleek glass skyscrapers in Las Vegas.

texas_ag
May 12, 2009, 11:16 PM
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mdiederi
May 13, 2009, 3:45 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/phcc.jpg

mac78130
May 13, 2009, 4:51 AM
Fontainebleau vs. Deutsche Bank

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/12/fontainebleau-bank-wanted-minimize-cosmopolitan-co/

Krases
May 13, 2009, 5:42 AM
Fontainebleau vs. Deutsche Bank

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/12/fontainebleau-bank-wanted-minimize-cosmopolitan-co/

FB has a good point. There is a big conflict of interest there.

We can only hope that FB wins this lawsuit. I just hope it doesn't drag on for too long.

justdefended
May 13, 2009, 9:48 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/phcc.jpg

Was amazed to drive by and see that the whole bridge is anchored in place. Too bad it looks like it leads to nowhere. But I'm also glad it's not leading to an Elvis hotel.

mac78130
May 14, 2009, 8:17 AM
Looks like the canoes are all in place. All those palm trees in the pool area look very nice. :tup:

From Picasa Web Album : MotoGeo (http://picasaweb.google.com/motogeo/Vegas09Hotels#5335104205489280850)
http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/CityCenterAerial.jpg

mac78130
May 14, 2009, 7:48 PM
One year ago from today, May 14, CityCenter commemorated the topping out of Vdara. :cool:

mac78130
May 14, 2009, 10:13 PM
Fontainebleau sued

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/45036352.html

Krases
May 15, 2009, 1:09 AM
Fontainebleau sued

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/45036352.html

Wow. Its just one thing after another.

Luckily this lawsuit is an order of magnitude smaller than the other suites going on. It seems like its only over 2 million dollars.

CHAPINM1
May 15, 2009, 1:38 AM
Wow. Its just one thing after another.

Luckily this lawsuit is an order of magnitude smaller than the other suites going on. It seems like its only over 2 million dollars.

Since everything these days is over billions of dollars, not millions, this lawsuit seems to be small potatos if you ask me... However, it's still another pain in the ass for Fontainebleau that they could do without...

worldpool
May 15, 2009, 6:23 AM
can somebody give me up to date pics of echelon please

jazfingr
May 15, 2009, 6:43 AM
can somebody give me up to date pics of echelon please

It's been stalled for months. Nothing is happening on the site. An updated photo would only show more dust on the beams.

mac78130
May 15, 2009, 10:47 PM
flickr photo by psudjb (http://www.flickr.com/photos/psudjb/3534358018/in/set-72157618096909426/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/3534358018_68feae8663_b.jpg

flickr photo by psudjb (http://www.flickr.com/photos/psudjb/3534358024/in/set-72157618096909426/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/3534358024_4147a329b2_b.jpg

CityDreamer
May 16, 2009, 12:17 AM
flickr photo by psudjb (http://www.flickr.com/photos/psudjb/3534358018/in/set-72157618096909426/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/3534358018_68feae8663_b.jpg

You know, I still think the Harmon will turn out pretty nice! Maybe they can eventually figure out how to reinforce the defects and build it to its full height. Look what they did with the Hilton many years ago when they doubled its height.

hulahoop
May 16, 2009, 2:15 AM
Has anyone else noticed that progress on the Veer towers appears to have been completely halted. It been at least 3 months that the glass has been up to the final couple of floors, but has been stalled there, while all of the other towers (except the Harmon) were completed.

I remember reading a while back that the Veer towers also had structural problems during construction that were only discovered by County inspectors(like the Harmon) but in their case Perini was able to correct them, although it was very costly.

Considering that, the lack of progess on these two towers, and only these two towers makes me a little suspicious about what is going on. Does anyone know the inside scoop on what is delaying those towers?

Krases
May 16, 2009, 2:48 AM
Has anyone else noticed that progress on the Veer towers appears to have been completely halted. It been at least 3 months that the glass has been up to the final couple of floors, but has been stalled there, while all of the other towers (except the Harmon) were completed.

I remember reading a while back that the Veer towers also had structural problems during construction that were only discovered by County inspectors(like the Harmon) but in their case Perini was able to correct them, although it was very costly.

Considering that, the lack of progess on these two towers, and only these two towers makes me a little suspicious about what is going on. Does anyone know the inside scoop on what is delaying those towers?

Well there is a pool on top, so that may be taking a while to install. Most normal building tops consists of just a flat roof or some ventilation equipment, Veer has a more complex top.

mac78130
May 16, 2009, 3:18 AM
Has anyone else noticed that progress on the Veer towers appears to have been completely halted. It been at least 3 months that the glass has been up to the final couple of floors, but has been stalled there, while all of the other towers (except the Harmon) were completed.

I remember reading a while back that the Veer towers also had structural problems during construction that were only discovered by County inspectors(like the Harmon) but in their case Perini was able to correct them, although it was very costly.

Considering that, the lack of progess on these two towers, and only these two towers makes me a little suspicious about what is going on. Does anyone know the inside scoop on what is delaying those towers?

More glass has been added to the Veer towers in the last few weeks. I'm curious on how they are going to clean the glass?

justdefended
May 16, 2009, 4:07 AM
Both Veer East and Veer West seemed to have reached construction to the 37th floor in the past few weeks.

What will probably be complex from this point on is the construction of the rooftop, which unlike most buildings, contains all the building's core amenities. Features include an infiniti-edge pool, gym, sauna, steam room, and game room.

The floor plate is pretty expansive and will probably take a bit longer to build out than a standard floor.

http://www.vegascondoscene.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/33/files/2008/03/veer-towers-citycenter.jpg

mdiederi
May 16, 2009, 2:30 PM
Look what they did with the Hilton many years ago when they doubled its height.
When did they double the Hilton's height? The Las Vegas Hilton was originally the International, and I thought it was built at the same height it is today. I know they added more wings, but when did they add more height?

Lecom
May 16, 2009, 8:54 PM
Would that monorail really be used a lot, considering that it's not even connected to any other casinos?

Krases
May 16, 2009, 9:03 PM
Would that monorail really be used a lot, considering that it's not even connected to any other casinos?

I believe it is just a free piece of transit across the single giant mass that is City Center. The main thing is that it's free.

I am not sure if it is connected to Monte Carlo and Bellagio. I think it is.

CityDreamer
May 16, 2009, 9:32 PM
When did they double the Hilton's height? The Las Vegas Hilton was originally the International, and I thought it was built at the same height it is today. I know they added were more wings, but when did they add more height?

My apologies, you are correct. It was new tower wings that they added in 75' and 78'. For some reason I was thinking it got taller.:shrug:

Zach6668
May 16, 2009, 10:21 PM
I believe it is just a free piece of transit across the single giant mass that is City Center. The main thing is that it's free.

I am not sure if it is connected to Monte Carlo and Bellagio. I think it is.

99% sure it is connected to both MC and Bellagio.

mac78130
May 16, 2009, 10:41 PM
Here is a 13 page pdf file that gives a few details about the CityCenter APM.

http://www.leaelliott.com/assets/files/CityCenterAPM.pdf

You can also visit the Doppelmayr website to follow the installation of the APM.

http://www.dcc.at/doppelmayr/company/en/tmp_1_1751750312/MGM_Trams_on_Track_newsdetail.aspx

RandalR
May 17, 2009, 3:19 PM
No visible FB progress in two weeks. Construction may not have been formally halted, but it appears to have slowed to a crawl while the lawsuit progresses.

mac78130
May 17, 2009, 6:58 PM
flickr photo by Another Pint Please (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anotherpintplease/3539194328/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/3539194328_359f796647_b.jpg

colemonkee
May 17, 2009, 7:34 PM
^ Amazing.

Plokoon11
May 17, 2009, 7:39 PM
^ I second that, I wouldn't ever work on that arch. They have a lot of balls to go to work on that.

mac78130
May 17, 2009, 11:38 PM
flickr by Isasser (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quid-tum/3539411967/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3601/3539411967_7d5f9c189d_b.jpg

heyyoucharlie
May 18, 2009, 1:11 AM
Great shot... I love how the "Hot Babes" truck shows up every couple of pages. :haha:

worldpool
May 18, 2009, 4:29 AM
somthing kinda new about citycenter http://www.business24-7.ae/articles/2009/5/pages/17052009/05182009_882d270781a546a89dd85d068f523661.aspx

CosmoVegas
May 18, 2009, 6:26 PM
The cosmopolitan looks great, but it seems like construction has come to a stop or crawl lately, no more glass going up out front, no more of the random blue lights, the crane are still up even though both towers are clearly finished. The pedestrian bridge seems to be the only thing that is getting attention. What is the deal?

mac78130
May 19, 2009, 4:54 AM
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/18/fountainebleu-developer-lays-40-employees/

mdiederi
May 20, 2009, 2:43 PM
Symphony Park

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/20/union-parks-new-name-music-city-officials-ears/

LAS VEGAS CITY COUNCIL:
Union Park’s new name music to city officials’ ears


By Sam Skolnik (contact)

Wed, May 20, 2009 (2 a.m.)

The city’s name for the 61-acre brownfield acquired by Las Vegas nine years ago — Union Park — made sense. The $6 billion site was formerly part of the Union Pacific rail yard, after all.

Yet as the city developed plans for the park and some big-name tenants signed on, some involved with the project began to wonder whether the name Union Park adequately represented their vision for the site, where Las Vegas plans to build a new downtown.

The question has been answered. Change is coming in the form of a new name, “Symphony Park.” The name change is set to be ratified at today’s City Council meeting — timed to precede groundbreaking for the Smith Center for the Performing Arts later this month.

Symphony Park, west of Main Street and north of Bonneville Avenue, will be home of the region’s first comprehensive performing arts center and several other major civic and business developments, assuming plans eventually move forward.

Here’s how the decision was made to the change the park’s name:

About a year ago Rita Brandin, a top official with Newland Communities, the city’s project manager for the site, began bandying about the idea for a possible new name for Union Park with its main developers and city officials. They agreed to hire a consultant to study the issue.

“The general feeling was that the association with the railroad wasn’t resonating,” said Brandin, senior vice president and development director of Newland. The name should not only reflect the essence of the place, but also help attract people and new developers to the site, she said.

Newland hired New Jersey-based Cecilian Worldwide, a strategic marketing and branding firm. Cecilian charged Newland $110,000 for eight months of work, according to Brandin.

Kathleen Cecilian, the company’s CEO, and four others spent six weeks in Las Vegas, in August and September, to conduct videotaped interviews with the park’s tenants, as well as Mayor Oscar Goodman, several council members and other movers and shakers. About 30 of these sit-down interviews, which lasted 30 to 60 minutes, were augmented with another 70 man-on-the-street interviews in public venues throughout the valley.

Some of the questions: Have you heard of Union Park? What does that name mean to you? Is it appealing?

Cecilian said the consensus was that the site’s name “should be something as big as the place, something organic” — and Union Park didn’t convey those qualities as well as “Symphony Park.”

The new name had actually been staring officials in the face for some time.

The proposed strip of grass and trees slated for the center of the project, between the Smith Center and a boutique hotel designed by celebrity chef Charlie Palmer, is also to be named Symphony Park. That will not change, officials said.

Cecilian presented the proposed new name to about 40 current and future park tenants and their public relations consultants and Goodman and several other city officials in a closed-door, Oct. 14 meeting at the Molasky Building, a prominent Union Park neighbor.

“It was a ‘wow’ moment,” Cecilian said. “The response was overwhelmingly positive.”

An official with Molasky said the new name works because of its connection to the park’s anchor, the Smith Center.

“It’s wonderful that they are changing the name to Symphony Park, underscoring the world-class facility that will anchor that property,” Richard Worthington, president of the Molasky Group, said in a statement. “It’s fitting.”

RandalR
May 20, 2009, 3:20 PM
Sure, call it "Symphony" Park when the tenant is actually named the Las Vegas Philharmonic Orchestra. :rolleyes:

No visible activity at Fontainebleau this week. Rumors are circulating that Turnberry Associates bankruptcy is imminent - and that's why the banks pulled their funding. Of course, somebody will eventually buy FB and finish it, but when?

neworleans
May 20, 2009, 4:22 PM
they spent 110 thousand dollars to determine the name "Symphony" Park... jeez, what a waist of money

Seva
May 20, 2009, 9:09 PM
Regardless of the blunders by the city bureaucrats Union, I mean- Symphony Park shouldn't be written off as the other hotel projects. It is a sound plan and has a long build out period, up until 2019 as well as being a phased project.

The Smith Center in fact breaks ground next week, to open in 2012. That will keep construction going on there through the recession and beyond.

As for the downsized WJC maybe they will cancel it for anther developer and build something better instead or wait it out and build it to full height. You don't just chop off floors from a perfectly good looking building around here here unless it's called the Harmon!

http://www.symphonypark.com/
http://www.symphonypark.com/pdf/mediakit.pdf

Krases
May 21, 2009, 2:18 AM
Sure, call it "Symphony" Park when the tenant is actually named the Las Vegas Philharmonic Orchestra. :rolleyes:

No visible activity at Fontainebleau this week. Rumors are circulating that Turnberry Associates bankruptcy is imminent - and that's why the banks pulled their funding. Of course, somebody will eventually buy FB and finish it, but when?

Yikes.

FB would be a steal for somebody who wants to buy it. All they would need to practically do would be to furnish the inside.

CHAPINM1
May 21, 2009, 3:03 AM
There's so much that's there for the taking! Everything from anybody who wants to possibly buy Fontainebleau for a steal to possibly somebody else besides the developers of the WJC being given an opportunity to build a project on an already approved 800+ foot zoned area! Anyway, it's a damn good thing that Fontainebleau has reached it's planned height!!! If Turnberry went bankrupt earlier in the project either one of two things would have happened, (1) it would have never possibly been built, or (2) it would have ended up like Echelon so far.

Krases
May 21, 2009, 3:14 AM
There's so much that's there for the taking! Everything from anybody who wants to possibly buy Fontainebleau for a steal to possibly somebody else besides the developers of the WJC being given an opportunity to build a project on an already approved 800+ foot zoned area! Anyway, it's a damn good thing that Fontainebleau has reached it's planned height!!! If Turnberry went bankrupt earlier in the project either one of two things would have happened, (1) it would have never possibly been built, or (2) it would have ended up like Echelon so far.

You have to wonder about Echelon. If it had been started a year earlier, would they have put it on hold? My only hope for FB is that an outside company buys it. MGM is already big enough.

Has anyone thought about starting a thread in the "general developments" section of the site when it comes to Symphony park? Would just need to include some good pics.

Seva
May 21, 2009, 4:27 AM
You have to wonder about Echelon. If it had been started a year earlier, would they have put it on hold? My only hope for FB is that an outside company buys it. MGM is already big enough.

Has anyone thought about starting a thread in the "general developments" section of the site when it comes to Symphony park? Would just need to include some good pics.

Not a bad idea. Maybe you should take the initiative Krases.

As for pictures, this one from the RJ article is a start.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/45513642.html
http://i42.tinypic.com/wc0kqv.jpg

mac78130
May 21, 2009, 9:32 AM
flickr photo by mightyb (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mightyb/3549985450/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/3549985450_47ba8e6144_b.jpg

mac78130
May 21, 2009, 9:58 AM
CityCenter not lowering the prices on condos.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/21/citycenter-unit-prices-not-bending-market/

Veer, a condo-hotel as well?

"A sales executive talks about Veer towers during a January 2006 media open house. So far, 432 condo and condo-hotel units have sold at Veer. The average price per unit at Veer, Mandarin Oriental and Vdara towers is $1,250 per square foot, four to six times as much as other luxury units have sold for in Las Vegas recently."

voice of reason
May 21, 2009, 5:59 PM
The sales person apparently doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'sold', as it applies to real estate contracts. A deposit on a unit is a long way from being sold, as they will realize in due time.

Krases
May 21, 2009, 10:26 PM
Not a bad idea. Maybe you should take the initiative Krases.

As for pictures, this one from the RJ article is a start.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/45513642.html


I was waiting for somebody to ask that.

I shall go start one then!

justdefended
May 21, 2009, 10:30 PM
CityCenter not lowering the prices on condos.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/21/citycenter-unit-prices-not-bending-market/

Veer, a condo-hotel as well?

"A sales executive talks about Veer towers during a January 2006 media open house. So far, 432 condo and condo-hotel units have sold at Veer. The average price per unit at Veer, Mandarin Oriental and Vdara towers is $1,250 per square foot, four to six times as much as other luxury units have sold for in Las Vegas recently."

Probably a typo on Veer? For it to be hotel they would need back of house operations which I don't think there is space for.

I think it's definite that prices will lower before closing. It's just a matter of how much MGM is willing to discount.

I don't think discounts will reach 50%. 20 - 30% seems more likely.

Krases
May 21, 2009, 10:46 PM
Ok I made a thread in the General developments section concerning Symphony park.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=169490

justdefended
May 21, 2009, 11:36 PM
Veer East and Veer West now topped off:

http://www.realestatechannel.com/us-markets/residential-real-estate-1/mgm-citycenter-veer-towers-mgm-mirage-properties-nysemgm-vdara-hotel-aria-resort-casino-mandarin-oriental-hotel-cirque-du-soleil-dubai-bobby-baldwin-helmut-jahn-833.php

Seva
May 22, 2009, 5:09 AM
Havn't seen this mentioned much but aside from that bridge up there - another big transportation project - McCarran's $1.8B Terminal 3 has been under construction for a while, and looks very busy passing by it the other day, the main building's steel frame is up and there are many cranes about and ramps are being built.

Major construction projects are still alive and well.

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2009/05/18/news/iq_28746614.txt

http://library.nevada.edu/arch/aia/awa2007/ub07063.html
http://i40.tinypic.com/21c8tqu.jpg

mac78130
May 22, 2009, 5:24 AM
:previous:

There is a 3D animation of this terminal on the Spine3D website.

http://www.spine3d.com/portfolio/animations.html

Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see "Las Vegas Terminal 3". This is also the same website that had the animations and renderings of CityCenter and Fontainebleau.

Seva
May 22, 2009, 5:35 AM
:previous:

There is a 3D animation of this terminal on the Spine3D website.

http://www.spine3d.com/portfolio/animations.html

Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see "Las Vegas Terminal 3". This is also the same website that had the animations and renderings of CityCenter and Fontainebleau.

Amazing. It's too bad they arn't making that nice new terminal LEED certified but maybe they have their reasons.

Krases
May 22, 2009, 6:04 AM
The Airport expansion is badly needed. Eventually Ivanpah airport will need to be built, but the recession seems to have actually bought some time before McCarren goes over capacity. One of the few good things about the recession.

CHAPINM1
May 22, 2009, 8:57 PM
Things are really getting exciting! I'm super pumped for Ivanpah to eventually open! That will definetly help put Las Vegas even further on the map!

Krases
May 22, 2009, 9:26 PM
Things are really getting exciting! I'm super pumped for Ivanpah to eventually open! That will definetly help put Las Vegas even further on the map!

Well its going to be a LOOOOOOONG time. How I hope they do it is that they won't try putting another city around it. Instead I would like to see it become a stop on a high speed rail service. They should completely prevent anything from being built around it and just link it straight to Las Vegas. That would also allow the airport to expand even further in the future without worry of needing to demolish existing buildings.