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Aug 9, 2006, 7:40 PM
Cosmo thank you very much for the updates! I too have a unit in cosmo thogh I recentlly recieved a questionaire for the use of the unit I have not recieved that recent email on the construction! Thank for sharing!!!

Aug 9, 2006, 7:41 PM
Cosmo thank you very much for the updates! I too have a unit in cosmo thogh I recentlly recieved a questionaire for the use of the unit I have not recieved that recent email on the construction! Thank you for sharing!!!

Aug 9, 2006, 7:41 PM
Cosmo thank you very much for the updates! I too have a unit in cosmo thogh I recentlly recieved a questionaire for the use of the unit I have not recieved that recent email on the construction! Thank you for sharing!!!

Aug 9, 2006, 11:57 PM
hi Patrick,

I went through my purchase papers for the condo and they still refer to them as the CST and BRT although the BRT has a second name "Tower 8" supposedly a lucky number in asian cultures perhaps to draw in more buyers from Asia. Definitely placeholder names I'm sure they'll announce the actual names in the coming months!

Kevin L.

Aug 10, 2006, 12:02 AM
your welcome Solstadwest!

Will always update here when I receive more info!

PS. did you purchase a south or north facing condo?

just curious! south facing ones were sold at a 5% discount to the north facing ones floor to floor due to the bellagio water dances the north view offers but by 2009 the south facing condos will have a spectacular unobstructed view of Project City Center.

Kevin L.

Aug 10, 2006, 6:03 AM
Hmmmm. I thought Project City Center would have been the obstruction. It's pretty close to Cosmo.:)

Aug 10, 2006, 7:39 PM
Does anyone have any idea what percentage of buyers in Queensridge are over 50? I'm working with some investors in the Midwest who are interested in this demographic information. I would imagine that it's a high number, possibly 75% or more.

Aug 10, 2006, 8:00 PM
looks like at some point jockey club WAS going to be renovated the (below) picture is a bit old....bellagio's in there, but not the spa tower...im sure once cosmo came along it was decided to not bother


Aug 10, 2006, 10:30 PM
MGM Mirage forms condo sales company


MGM Mirage announced the formation Wednesday of CityCenter Realty Corp. to oversee sales of 2,800 luxury condominiums at its Project CityCenter development. The $7 billion, 18 million-square-foot complex officially broke ground on June 26. The 76-acre hotel, residential, and entertainment undertaking is located along Las Vegas Boulevard, between the Monte Carlo and Bellagio resorts.

Bob Hamrick, chief executive officer of Coldwell Banker Premier Realty, has been tapped as the corporation's senior vice president. Grant Murray, former sales director for Concord Pacific Place in Vancouver, will serve as vice president of sales and Anna Houssels is director of sales.

"We've designed CityCenter Realty Corporation to stand out in a sea of commission-driven agencies with a sales approach and compensation package that truly focuses on building relationships with our clients," said Hamrick in a statement. "For that reason, we've also created a co-op recognition and compensation program that will excite and engage our Realtor partners to place CityCenter on the top of their lists when working with qualified buyers."
Chicago-based Murphy/Jahn Architects is designing two leaning glass towers, combining for 810 units; Rafael Vinoly Architects of New York is doing a 50-story ebony tower with 1,543 units; New York-based Kohn Pederson Fox Architects' Mandarin Oriental Hotel and Residences will have 215 units; and The Light Group's tower will make up the remaining units.

The sales center will open in January 2007. Project CityCenter is tentatively scheduled to finish by November 2009.

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 12, 2006, 12:25 AM
Speaking of City Center, enjoy these pictures of the site as well as the Cosmopolitan site on August 11, 2006 taken by Aaron Auxier of Luxury Realty Group and VegasGrowsUp.com


Also these extreme closeup of the Main Hotel Foundation

Closeup of the Cosmo site and slurry wall

Aug 12, 2006, 12:32 AM
CityCenter looks great. Cosmo will soon join it as well.

Aug 12, 2006, 1:51 AM
hi Patrick,

I went through my purchase papers for the condo and they still refer to them as the CST and BRT although the BRT has a second name "Tower 8" supposedly a lucky number in asian cultures perhaps to draw in more buyers from Asia. Definitely placeholder names I'm sure they'll announce the actual names in the coming months!

Kevin L.
I have a hudson facing north about 2/3 the way up in the casino tower

Aug 12, 2006, 1:54 AM
I have a hudson unit facing north about 2/3 of the way up

Aug 12, 2006, 6:44 PM
mgm has an AWSOME new site....great animation....


click on "enter maximun vegas"

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 12, 2006, 7:00 PM
Wow, that is an amazing site!

Aug 12, 2006, 10:27 PM
Check out what I made :cool:


I used a picture fro VegasToday&Tommorow, made a quick model of the Palazzo in Google Sketchup, then pasted it into the picture and added the picture of the base.

I couldnt get the Vegas Today and Tommorow logo off.

Aug 13, 2006, 12:34 AM
The MGM Grand Website is really amazing!
I love the way they introduce the hotel features.

Aug 13, 2006, 11:26 PM
Here are photos we took today - August 13, 2006 you might like to see:


Wynn's Encore

Venetian Palazzo


Trump Las Vegas

Turnberry Towers

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 15, 2006, 4:20 AM
Time to start a new thread? This page is too busy to load most of the time.

Aug 15, 2006, 4:21 AM
Nice pictures, Bruce, from a view we rarely see. Were you at or near the Metropolis condos? Sky is certainly living up to its name, being the tallest building over there. Soon to be eclipsed by Trump. I'll be in Vegas the end of October. Can't wait to see progress first hand.

Aug 15, 2006, 4:42 AM
Took the photos from the West terrace on Metropolis - great night views from that location and amazing when fireworks occur.

Aug 15, 2006, 5:32 AM
Time to start a new thread? This page is too busy to load most of the time.

New thread? not at least until we get into the 100's

Vegas Grows Up
Aug 15, 2006, 4:39 PM
Yes Bruce that West Terrace is amazing at night. We should do some slow shutter pictures! Cool pics :)

Aug 16, 2006, 12:08 AM
Anyone know if Sky Las Vegas will be lit up at night? It would be a shame not to.

Too bad Panorama didn't but maybe Sky will.

Aug 17, 2006, 2:03 PM
Had you guys heard about this one yet? I was looking at a Miami Architects (Kobi Karp) website and they just posted renderings for a Canyon Ranch Las Vegas project. Looks pretty nice:




Aug 17, 2006, 3:36 PM
that site has a few vegas projects: Domus, One Las vegas, renzi towers.

looks like yuou forgot a picture dave
dont hold back on us now :)

Aug 17, 2006, 5:04 PM
Does anyone have any current info on the the Sandhurst property-- has it begun construction?

Aug 17, 2006, 6:00 PM
sandhurst is probably d-e-a-d. site just has its sales center on it. nothing going on there

Aug 17, 2006, 11:02 PM
This Canyon Ranch seems to be another project by WSG Development, who also proposed the Lifestyle Towers. So far, nothing has been officially announed. I would love for even one of these projects to be built.



>I have high hopes for this nice building becoming reality.

Pinnacle Las Vegas condominium resort-hotel will be moving to contract. Consequently Pinnacle Las Vegas will be released to the public on September 15th and pre-sales will be concluded. When this occurs prices of the units will undergo a 5% increase. However, there are still a limited number of residences available at pre-sale pricing.

Available residences still at the pre-sale pricing include luxury studios, one, two, and three bedroom condominiums.

* In addition to Pinnacle Las Vegas publicly announcing themselves they have also achieved several other significant steps to completion: Pinnacle Las Vegas has secured the initial $45 million in project financing through Berkshire Financial Capital.
* Builders Wynn, Bellagio, MGM Grand, and Marnell Corraro Associates has singed on with Pinnacle Las Vegas as general contractors.
* Pinnalce Las Vegas has entered into a contract with the nation’s largest hotel management company, Interstate Hotels and Resorts to manage the development and handle the rental of owner residences.
* The pinnacle sales gallery is now open for viewing.

Aug 17, 2006, 11:17 PM
wanna see vegas before resorts entered the market?


this site goes thru what used to be where the big players are now...


from this site...

i found: The 1100+ foot tower (stratosphere) was originally supposed to be considerably higher with another large section above the restaurant. However the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) determined that building the Tower higher would put it directly in one of the alternate flight plans for McCarran airport (it's only a couple miles from McCarran airport), Instead Stratosphere Corp, decided to keep the height to a mere 135 stories and build the current attractions at the top instead, still making it the tallest building west of the Mississippi.

i wonder what the original design looked like.....has anyone ever seen it?

Aug 18, 2006, 12:07 AM
i found: The 1100+ foot tower (stratosphere) was originally supposed to be considerably higher with another large section above the restaurant. However the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) determined that building the Tower higher would put it directly in one of the alternate flight plans for McCarran airport (it's only a couple miles from McCarran airport)

I lived in Las Vegas throughout the construction of the Stratosphere. As I recall, it was originally designed to be about 100 feet shorter than it is now (can't remember the exact height though). After construction started, Bob Stupak (the owner of Vegas World who built the tower) proposed making it slightly taller than the CN Tower (1800+ feet). That's when the FAA stepped in and a compromise was reached for the current height of 1149 feet.

Hopefully I remembered all of that correctly...if not, I'm sure someone will tell me :)

Aug 18, 2006, 3:36 AM
sandhurst is probably d-e-a-d. site just has its sales center on it. nothing going on there

What's the reinforced concrete structure under construction next to the downtown outlet mall then? Is it just a parking garage?

Aug 18, 2006, 3:13 PM
^^^^ thats for the outlet mall they are expanding - sandhurst property is across the street....but thats only a couple stories tall.....unless you are talking about the steel structure that is about 20 stories, that is the moasky corporate center

Aug 18, 2006, 9:34 PM
something odd is goin on at aladdin - the base is blue yes, BUT i have noticed that in the center it is now pure WHITE! are they having second thoughts? or is it just a primer coat goin on then the blue will follow- also on the back top there white paint seapin into the blue. i havnt noticed this white 'primer' before so maybe they are redesigning the
paint job'


the palms fantasy tower is FINALLY done - they are in the midst of taking down the crane. panorma tower 2 is bare at the top, but the crown is takin shape - tower 3 has a full crane up.

city center is UNBELIEVABLE! i counted about 5 fully erected (and HUGE) cranes, dozens of bulldozers on both site of frank sinatra (street-behind property) running from new york newyork to bellagio. the parking lot looks almost complete- the tower looks like its on the second level now - but who knows, its a mess of concrete, steel, and dirt - but theres ALOT goin on there.

cosmo just gets sucked up into the ess with everything citycenter is doing.

trump is doin something interesting. the gold cladding is complete all the way up to the current floor built! seems like they dont want to show the bare bones of the structure so they hault the construction til the gold glass gets put in, then they built a few more floors- wait til the windows catch up etc.

and lastly - palazzo's core is about 3/5 of the way to meet the top of venetian - that thing is goin fast!

Aug 18, 2006, 10:15 PM
check out the above picture - its of wynn in maccau - notice the BELLAGIO fountains in the front...and thats not the stratosphere in the background - i guess its some other tower-funny -

weird how wynn is using his old tecniques on his maccau property - while wynn (the hotel) aint so differnt than bellagio- wynn maccau is even closer

Aug 18, 2006, 10:56 PM
ScottG, look here:


It looks like a Stratosphere clone if I ever saw one.

Also look at this page, Macau has casinos that actually have closing hours! That would be unheard of here.


Elvis has Entered the Building

Details of the Elvis-Cirque du Soleil megashow have left the building.

In a joint announcement Thursday, CKX Inc., the parent company of Elvis Presley Enterprises, and Cirque du Soleil said they are partners in an Elvis show that will open in November 2009 at the $7 billion MGM Mirage CityCenter project.

CKX chairman and CEO Robert Sillerman called it "the first step in establishing a 21st century presence in Vegas for the King."

Construction has begun on the 66-acre CityCenter site, between the Bellagio and Monte Carlo.

Bringing Elvis under Cirque's big top is the latest collaborative coup for Cirque founder Guy Laliberte, who also landed The Beatles music for "Love," which opened June 28 at The Mirage.

CKX and Cirque had announced an agreement to create, develop, produce and promote Elvis Presley Projects, which would feature touring and permanent shows, with multimedia interactive "Elvis Experiences" throughout the world.

Starting in 2009, that agreement will see at least one project open in each of the ensuing six years.

Monorail VS BUS on the Strip

>Say BYE BYE to the palms trees in the center median if this happens.


Officials: Monorail, bus can share Strip

'Plenty of riders to go around,' RTC says


Double-decker 'Deuce' buses make their way north on the Strip. The Regional Transportation Commission wants to put an express bus line down the center of the busy tourist corridor.
Photo by John Gurzinski.

A proposed express bus line down the center of the Strip will likely vie for some of the same riders as the struggling Las Vegas Monorail, local public transit authorities said this week.

But Regional Transportation Commission officials believe there are enough potential riders within the resort corridor to support two rapid transit systems.

"With more than 38 million tourists coming to Southern Nevada (annually), there are plenty of riders to go around," Tracy Bower, spokeswoman for the Regional Transportation Commission, which is backing the express bus plan, said Wednesday. "If you go down the Strip any time of day or night, there's thousands of people trying to get around."

Attempts to interview monorail officials this week were unsuccessful. But in a phone message, Ingrid Reisman, vice president of the Las Vegas Monorail Co., said she had not seen the RTC plan and therefore could not comment on its effect on the monorail.

The RTC's plan, called the regional fixed guideway, calls for replacing Las Vegas Boulevard South medians with bus-only lanes from Sunset Road to Sahara Avenue or beyond by 2014 as part of a planned $980 million fast bus line that someday could stretch from North Las Vegas to Henderson via downtown Las Vegas, the Strip and McCarran International Airport.

In the resort corridor, the line would run parallel to the monorail, which plies a 4-mile route behind the Strip's east side from Tropicana Avenue to Sahara.

The $650 million monorail has struggled to gain riders since first opening in 2004. Ridership has floated between 20,000 and 30,000 daily passengers, far less than the 50,000 daily riders first forecast.

The monorail has yet to produce a profit and had its bond rating fall to "junk" status, though deep cash reserves have kept the system afloat.

Already, officials at both the RTC and Las Vegas Monorail Co. had said the monorail appeared to be losing as many as 6,000 riders per day to "The Deuce," a double-decker bus service that launched service on the Strip earlier this year and carries more than 50,000 passengers each day.

Some planners believe tourists are choosing the gridlocked "Deuce" over the faster monorail because of the bus's more central location on the Strip itself, as opposed to being behind Strip hotels. The guideway would conceivably combine prime location with high speed.

"There may be some crossover" among targeted riders for the guideway and monorail, Bower said. "It depends where people are starting their trip and where they're going."

The buses would be similar to the bullet-shaped Metropolitan Area Express buses that already ply Las Vegas Boulevard North, making infrequent trainlike "station" stops instead of pausing at numerous corners as do traditional fixed route buses.

The aim of the guideway plan is to create a fast, dedicated path so that buses can avoid congestion without taking away traffic lanes on the vehicle-clogged Strip. It's projected that 113,000 riders would use the resort corridor route each day.

"Our goal is to provide a service that will work for both the visitors and local residents," Bower said. "We hope this will help alleviate the pressure on nearby streets that are used by employees."

The guideway's Strip route is a revision of its originally planned path through the resort corridor along Frank Sinatra Drive, between the Strip and Interstate 15.

Under that plan, RTC officials anticipated the two systems would service entirely different ridership groups, with the monorail carrying tourists and the guideway serving resort workers.

"We don't think it'll be competition to the monorail. The two of them would be complimentary," RTC general manager Jacob Snow said in 2004. "If you're going to work at the Bellagio, that's where you go, off Frank Sinatra. All the employee parking is there."

Aug 19, 2006, 7:42 AM
Boy you guys made me work.

Here's the original stratosphere sketch (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/page4dreams.htm)

Aug 19, 2006, 2:49 PM
Here's the original stratosphere sketch (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/page4dreams.htm)

I don't know if this matters to anyone...I only know this because I was there at the time (though I had nothing to do with the tower :)) but this was not the "original" design of the Stratosphere Tower. If you read the wind engineering report (http://www.cppwind.com/papers/structural/StratosphereTower.pdf) (page 2773) it says that the proposal to increase the height of the tower to 1828 feet arose after construction had begun. The original height (if I remember correctly) was 1049 feet (exactly 100 feet shorter than the final product). Although it would have been nice to have the world's tallest free-standing structure in Las Vegas, I'm happier with what we got. That spire (IMHO) would have been way out of proportion to the rest of the tower and would have been very odd looking.

The Stratosphere has had an interesting history...one crooked leg, a fire during construction, this proposed extension. Bob Stupak was never boring.

Aug 19, 2006, 4:04 PM
I would have to agree, from that pdf you posted, the spire looks ungodly tall and out of proportion.

Perhaps this was another one of Stupak's crazy modifications? I'm sure you all remember the Giant Ape going up the side idea... It's obvious he was making a ditch effort to top the CN tower. He was building this huge tower back then which people thought was crazy, why not go all out?

Anyhow with the Burj Dubai it wouldn't be the tallest now anyway. And using extremely tall and narrow spires to some seems to be a cheap way to add height.

Aug 19, 2006, 4:42 PM
We probably should move this discussion to another thread...

But this (my quick and dirty edit on the right) might have been very nice to look at indeed :tup:


Aug 19, 2006, 6:13 PM

i was also goin to bring up the cn tower and burj dubai - cn has a huge (and similiar to the original design of the strat) pod and higher observation deck with a huge spire then antenna. out of porpotion, then theburj dubai looks like a huge spire in itself. i believe spire/antennas are just a way of cheating ot get hieght - that original design - and the model are cool to see - as well as anything that changes designs - what could have been. looks like there was contemplated if there were goin to be 'holes'/ air breezes under the pod.

as tall and as much the strat stands out now - that would have been INSANE to see it twice as tall!

btw, why its that macau tower (which indeed looks strikingly like the strat) a member of the federation of the worlds greatest towers?

Aug 19, 2006, 8:03 PM
Anyone have the renderings and site plans for this project? Saw the County planning commission information but no drawings.

Aug 19, 2006, 8:50 PM
Besides knowing it's beingdone by Turnberry and will have a similar tropical theme like the one in Miami, none that I have seen. Try and find who the projects architects will be, that's the best way. It will have lots of glass, as described i nthe agenda.

IMO being that it is tall, the height could make it a very slim tower, but seeing that it issupposed to have a sizable number of rooms, it might be pretty wide like the Wynn. Just speculation. I don't think it will be a Y-shaped tower, Vegas has grown out of that phase I hope.

Aug 20, 2006, 12:35 AM
Good As Gold

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5890/425lp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7080/klastlqb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Aug 21, 2006, 11:24 PM
Panorama Complex
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8638/428hv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Streamline Tower in Downtown
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/809/423wf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9364/417xw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3985/415nj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Spanish Towers
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4933/381ie7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3849/421ty9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ONE LAS VEGAS 2 towers
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2638/1st5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Palms Place Tower
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4997/hu7nc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Also found this, looks nice.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/736/image3jg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Aug 22, 2006, 2:24 AM
Keep seeing the same photos with the same crane. Anyone seeing any progress on this project beyond the garage?

Aug 22, 2006, 2:29 AM
^An article reported a while ago that the project has been halted due to financing issues.

Here's the current union park master plan. Sadly, most of the taller towers are now gone. Will this thing ever get off the ground?

In each proposal, it always seems that Plaza hotel tower must be sacrificed to connect it to Fremont Street.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8519/un1nj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry for the flood of random "stuff" today, just had some pics to post :)

Aug 22, 2006, 2:34 AM
Knew about the financial problems but haven't heard anything since. Really don't want to see one of the high rise projects fail while under construction. Let's hope they get it back on track.

Aug 22, 2006, 2:58 PM

THERE ARE completely repainting! HALF THE BACK HAS A FRESH COAT OF OFF WHITE PAINT. top to bottom, no blue anywhere- completely offwhite (like monte carlo)- the front has been started as well

Aug 22, 2006, 9:49 PM
Another recent shot of downtown - Casino Center and Newport Lofts.

Something I've noticed as that by having even just one new building down a long street with other buildings already built creates a kind of depth effect that's really cool. This effect is probably taken for granted in mature downtowns such as LA but it's only starting to take shape here.

Imagine the same picture without Newport and you'll see it doesn't look as "complete" if you will. And this is with just one building, imagine 4 or 5...

Club Ren, would fit in just behind that court building. I assume the top of that tall tower would extend past the top of this photo!

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4744/438sk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Aug 22, 2006, 9:51 PM
Double Post...

bleh, might as well put something in.

World View Towers baby! Nothing much and maybe it'll happen.


Elite Tower!


Aug 22, 2006, 11:01 PM
the elite site is new! but im skeptical on proposals made from sketch up in google earth! HOWEVER stanhi was done like this - but thats cherri and they have reputation. i dun know- you can never tell anymore is something in nothin but hype. (worldviewtowers site -hopefully- coming alaong. looks like that 'ground breaking' only 'broke' hopes) ....get it? ha!

Aug 22, 2006, 11:01 PM

THERE ARE completely repainting! HALF THE BACK HAS A FRESH COAT OF OFF WHITE PAINT. top to bottom, no blue anywhere- completely offwhite (like monte carlo)- the front has been started as well

Better to look generic than to look like crap.

Downtown Joe
Aug 22, 2006, 11:13 PM
the elite site is new! but im skeptical on proposals made from sketch up in google earth! HOWEVER stanhi was done like this - but thats cherri and they have reputation. i dun know- you can never tell anymore is something in nothin but hype. (worldviewtowers site -hopefully- coming alaong. looks like that 'ground breaking' only 'broke' hopes) ....get it? ha!

Where are Elite and Worldview Towers supposed to be located?

Aug 22, 2006, 11:16 PM
Here ya go...


Downtown Joe
Aug 22, 2006, 11:21 PM
Thanks! I see Elite but I don't see Worldview Towers on the City's map. Am I missing it or is it in the County?

Aug 22, 2006, 11:25 PM
Seems they havn't updated the map since June but Worldview was previously known as Wall Street Towers.

Aug 23, 2006, 4:56 PM
FYI, I have just learned that the Domus project is dead.

Aug 23, 2006, 8:46 PM
WHAT?! DOMUS?1 NO?! i had such high hopes about that! j/k

how did you hear anything about domus? the only news we got was the few renderings found. no news ever came out of that one. i was most likely just a concept/ idea- not necessarily a proposal. sadly looks like a few of these projects are like that. i.e. flatiron, garcias, (basically any 702 property).

oh last night i was driving past the spagetti bowl on the 95, it was about 9 pm, and i was a bit tired, but i saw a TALL crane - looked liked it was taller than any buildings downtown, and i freaked out- it was next to the el cortez and i thought CLUB REN IS UP AND GOIN!? then i regained consciousness and realized that it was STREAMLINE.....good news tho....streamline has a TALL crane onsite now ;) :laugh:

Aug 23, 2006, 9:06 PM
WHAT?! DOMUS?1 NO?! i had such high hopes about that! j/k

hah!! exactly. Was that project even real to begin with?

ClubRen is STILL a dirt lot, there is still one remaining hold out house on the property.

It, along with the Fontainebleau (I can actually spell it now from memory, amazing eh?) are the most likely tallests currently that may be built. Sadly, I'd bet on Fontainbleau anyday over ClubRen.

Speaking of it, here's the site for the one in Miami, just a guess but even if the Vegas one uses the same sort of exterior it doesn't look that bad.


Aug 23, 2006, 10:13 PM
Fontainebleau is a Turnberry project and they are three for three. I don't see this being cancelled.

Doums was always a pie-in-the-sky project, I have some inside info that something much much bigger is being conceived for that whole area.

Elite, well, I can see using Sketchup for preliminary renderings (saves a ton of money), but the hit counter on the site is bogus. They have it set so every screen refresh is counted. i.e. The counter on VegasTaT counts unique hits only (someone else needs to view the page before your refresh will count) You can also start your counter at any number. They started high, which gives a false impression of how popular the site is. I don't like fake, deliberate, misleading marketing like this. It makes me think it's all fake.

David J
Aug 23, 2006, 11:55 PM
Elite is not a CheErry project! However, it is located right next to Newport and Stanhi, a very exciting downtown corridor. Stanhi will be very special, with the final renderings coming out shortly. If Evolution goes forward (and I think it will), from charleston on north you will have Evolution, Soho, Newport, Stanhi and Juhl all within a few short(city) blocks. You have the makings of real city life. And that does not include the seemingly less likely projects (ie club ren).

Aug 24, 2006, 12:14 AM
^^^^^^ HaHA--David J you beat me to saying Elite is not a Cherry developement.
But with all the very tall towers we'll keep our collective fingers crossed.
Good to hear Stanhi renderings coming soon!
And there is a very sturdy fence around the Charleston and Casino Center lot now. (evolution I think, I don't remember which is which they're going up so fast)

Aug 24, 2006, 12:38 AM
A question--- what is the tower height of the golden nugget expansion?
the vegas site shows it tall. A creeper crane is on site.


World View site is demoed and fenced (existing) but the old slabs and pavement are still there.
And sadly the spanish view crane is still not moving as of today.

Aug 24, 2006, 4:11 PM

check out the palazzo model Vegas TAT got a camera on. (how do you get acces to this great stuff?!) Palazzo is lookin pretty smokin!

Aug 25, 2006, 7:37 AM
Well Scott, I can't sit here and let you give me much credit for this one.

1st... I got the images of the Palazzo model from Hunter (of ratevegas.com). He has a lot more shots of the model in the photos section of his site.

2nd... The model is on display for all to ogle over. It's in restaurant row near the Blue Man Gift Shop.

See all of the photos HERE (http://photos.ratevegas.com/photo/gallery/august2006?page=3)


Vegas Grows Up
Aug 25, 2006, 8:05 PM
Good Stuff

Aug 25, 2006, 8:46 PM
looks like from the model that they are building where the blank wall once was in the previous rendering. it was speculated here that Walgreens owned the property. maybe they struck a deal with them?

Aug 25, 2006, 9:04 PM
^^^^hopefully - OR they just put that building there so it doesnt look weird-remember the aladdin model how there is a huge gap there...but i wouldnt think the palazzo would make up some building to dump on that site if it wasnt goin to happen........in any case pallazzo is squashed in that site pretty well. it looks really detailed and possibly a great resort to match WYNN. that model as a whole showing venezia, venitian, sands, and palazzo is HUGE! and unbeleivable- that hole site will be insane.

is venetian/palazzo/venezia goin to have more rooms than ....dare i say...city center?

Aug 26, 2006, 12:40 AM
The last I heard, Sands had the right to build above the Walgreen's land. They must have combined the projects. I bet the whole first floor of that building is a Walgreen's.

If you look at the positioning of that building, the upper floors will have commanding views of the strip. If it were up to me, I would put high-end restaurants and a club on the second floor and high end suites on the upper floors.

Aug 26, 2006, 7:21 PM
Can anyone post a rendering of what Aladdin was supposed to look like before the repainting?

Aug 26, 2006, 11:41 PM
I think this is the lattest rendering but there are no blue & white painting on it:sly:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7128/aladdinoe9.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aladdinoe9.jpg)

Aug 26, 2006, 11:57 PM
no ^^^ that was ONE of the initial concepts, there was another with completely blue GLASS on the side, there was never a rendering showing blue and white paint. and there isnt a rendering showing what ever they are doin to it now.....i doubt they will leave it allwhite...they just cant do that....


Aug 27, 2006, 8:11 PM
Hardrock Cam updates, which is extremley hard to control with millions of pervert nerds looking at girl's asses...

MGM Residents looking GREAT! Is that a new crane next to Marriott's Grand for phase two?

Panorama Tower Two Topped Off

Planet Hollywood/Aladdin ALL WHITE Now, kinda nice in my opinion

Aug 28, 2006, 1:52 AM
looking at the construction photos of Palazzo its kind of shocking to see how tall the "small" front buildings will be. looks to me about 4 stories tall. from the original rendering and the model, its hard to tell the size of these smaller buildings because of the huge hotel tower behind it. walking up to the Palazzo from the strip for the first time will be an awe inspiring experience im sure. the pedestrian bridge is dwarfed by the size of the "small" buildings.

Aug 28, 2006, 2:34 AM
The all white aladdin doesn't look good to me. Its too generic to have a white building in the middle of a desert. it needs some color

Aug 28, 2006, 3:44 AM
future 29...im thinkin the same thing.....scruffy= dido

maybe if they leave it all white and put some RED horizontal strips on it then i could be 'hip' and have red lights on it at night..the strip is a big rainbow of colors. blue (panorama) and brown (wynn) recently closed the gap of missing colors, red is the only one left i believe. OH! and silver, silver to die for! maybe the W will seel that deal. :)

if planet hollywood is supposed to have a 'hollywood glame' theme how is white goin to do that? (even the original white and blue crap?) when you think glame you think bling...i.e. silver....(you see how hawd up i am about bring silver to the strip?)...either that or GOLD bling, but you know how we feel about the 'lack' of gold in vegas

EDIT: i hear Fountainblue (how the hell is this spelled - that and Montreux...is that right?) any who i hear FB is goin to be blue....or was that silver? either one of those....in glass. :)

btw is it possible to have WHITE glass? like a pearl color i would image....ive never seen that before but with any color tint how bout white? no?

Aug 28, 2006, 6:56 AM
If anyone was still wondering, I talked to a friend who works construction and he claims the angled pipe seen on the Bellagio parking garage is for a shade structure.
Apparently the top floor will be shaded as well so all employees will have nice cool (lukewarm) cars to return to at the end of a shift.

Aug 28, 2006, 7:01 PM
how is a diagnol pipe running along the side a shade structure... ?

anywho, vegas grand is now under construction....well ther is some sorta building being put there, its already about 5 stories tall....?

oh! i went to the hoover dam this weekend and that bridge is taking charge! that this is TALL!

also it looks like ANOTHER crane is on the city center site, this time on what look like the mandoran hotel part.

Aug 28, 2006, 7:44 PM
Thanks for all the updates ScottG . . .

By the way, don't discount the white Aladdin just yet. If I know Las Vegas, there's definitely some master plan at work here. I could be wrong but I'm gonna wait and see what happens with that.

Aug 28, 2006, 11:21 PM
true.....we saw how the nast off-white and blue paint job was redone in all white....so many....this is just a primer.

maybe not, im sure things will change once the planet hollywood globe sits atop the tower signifying the complete transformation (and adding to its height)

Aug 29, 2006, 12:15 AM
The construction level is pretty steady nowadays. And it's good to see Vegas Grand finally get off the ground.

I don't know how I could of missed this article but it caught my attention while I was cleaning out some old papers.

It's LONG but a good read pertaining to the future of overall housing growth in Vegas, trends towards urbanization/high density, as well as high rises.

Singled Out? Observers say traditional one-family home subdivision may fade away

Aug. 13, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

It's a local mainstay: The new-home subdivision with 150 single-family homes, comfortably ensconced on 6,500-acre lots behind thick cinder-block walls.

More than 71 percent of new homes sold in the Las Vegas Valley today are single-family properties, data from research firm SalesTraq show. Given that market dominance, it would seem inconceivable to consider the typical Las Vegas production-home tract an endangered species.

However, one local housing analyst predicts that sometime in the next seven years to 10 years, the lights will go out on the last traditional new single-family subdivision in the valley.

Steve Bottfeld, a senior analyst with Marketing Solutions, says a multitude of trends will conspire to render new single-family development obsolete within the next decade.

Area builders acknowledge the market changes that are complicating single-family development. But they're also planning adjustments in how they develop that they say could save the single-family tract.


Key among the forces that Bottfeld said will squeeze out single-family development is a waning supply of developable local land.

Clark County's Multispecies Habitat Conservation Plan has capped future development in the county at 78,000 additional acres. The research firm Applied Analysis says builders in the county chew up 7,000 acres to 9,000 acres a year, leaving land stores of eight years to 10 years.

"We're in a situation in which buildable land is going to be in short supply," Bottfeld said.

And when any commodity is scarce, its price spikes upward.

Today's land prices already make the conventional single-family community with six homes per acre impossible to build in some parts of the valley. When property sells for $1 million an acre, "you can't put single-family homes on it," Bottfeld said. Witness a 26-acre plot in southwest Las Vegas that recently came on the market at $1.65 million per acre. The lot is zoned for 50 units per acre -- high-density attached housing.

But Bottfeld's prediction is born of more than simple real estate math.

Evolving consumer preferences and demographic trends will drive home buyers into compact, urban communities, he said.

The oldest baby boomers are turning 60 at the rate of 8,000 a day, and every seven seconds, an American turns 50. As consumers gray, Bottfeld said, they're demanding a streamlined lifestyle. The expansive suburban home, the quarter-acre lot, the pool -- all the features that made sense for young, growing families -- have become maintenance burdens to empty nesters.

In addition, a shift away from the nuclear family will bolster demand for attached housing, Bottfeld said.

Unmarried women in particular are buying homes in big numbers: The National Association of Realtors' Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers shows single women compose the second-biggest group of buyers, after married couples. Single women bought 21 percent of homes in 2005, up from 18 percent in 2004. Single men bought 9 percent of homes sold in 2005, the association reported. And a study by Fannie Mae found that single women will helm 28 percent of all U.S. households by 2010.

Bottfeld said those single women have specific housing demands: They want security, proximity to neighbors they know and a "lock-and-leave" lifestyle that allows them to travel without worrying about the lawn.

"There's a whole bunch of singles and boomers who are expressing a preference for the vertical lifestyle, providing that there is an entertainment element to wherever it is they're living," Bottfeld said.

And that entertainment aspect is key, because having recreation nearby will allow home buyers to fulfill what Bottfeld said is a 21st century dream: ditching cars and hoofing it to favorite restaurants, shops and theaters. Between rising gasoline prices and heavier traffic, driving is a chore consumers increasingly want to avoid.

"There's a frustration associated with motor vehicles," Bottfeld said. "Road rage is a relatively recent phenomenon. People really don't want to drive in traffic, and no matter how fast you build roads, you are still going to be in traffic."

The answer to those road woes? Mixed-use developments with mid-rise or high-rise housing clustered around retail and office space.

Kenneth Smith, a principal in Glen, Smith & Glen, seconded Bottfeld's summary of the consumer trends that could lead more home buyers to attached housing.

You'd expect Smith to agree with Bottfeld: Glen, Smith & Glen is developing Sullivan Square, a 16.5-acre community in southwest Las Vegas that will feature high-rises as well as brownstones and lofts. Sullivan Square's Market Street will have 25 retailers, including a café, a pub, a florist, a fish market, a bakery and a butcher.

But Smith isn't just concurring with an endorsement of his business plan; he sees shades of Bottfeld's observations in the 70 or so people who have reserved units at Sullivan Square.

Among Smith's buyers are members of generations X and Y, young adults in their 20s and 30s who would rather live in a city condo than own a single-family spread in Pahrump or Coyote Springs and commute 45 miles to work every morning. Sullivan Square is also capturing its share of professionals, including attorneys, architects, engineers, doctors and teachers, Smith said. Finally, empty nesters are a major portion of Sullivan Square's future residents.

"There is a huge shift going on across the country," Smith said. "People want to return to the heart of the city. It partly has an environmental backdrop, with people worrying about pollution and global warming from traffic. But it's also about people placing greater value on their time. If you're spending 45 minutes a day in traffic each way to and from work, that's a lot of your lifetime sitting in a car."

Bottfeld said the transition toward dense development will reduce urban sprawl and traffic congestion.

And, he added, it could even improve community spirit.

As garages and driveways replaced front porches on modern-day suburban homes, residents retreated to their backyards and spent little time meeting their neighbors. In a high-rise, ignoring the people next door is impossible. Residents see each other on the elevator, in the parking garage, at the building's coffee house.

"We could get back to something we lost in terms of borrowing that cup of sugar from your neighbor," Bottfeld said. "You're going to see a positive change in human interaction."


Evidence shows the market is already tilting toward attached housing.

Focus Property Group is developing its Mountain's Edge master plan on 3,500 acres of southwest Las Vegas property the company bought in chunks mostly from 1997 to 2002. Focus paid $100,000 to $200,000 an acre to buy the land, and spent roughly $100,000 an acre bringing infrastructure to the site.

For Inspirada, a 2,000-acre master plan in Henderson, Focus paid about $500,000 an acre. The developer will drop an additional $250,000 per acre to install infrastructure at the community.

Those land costs are reflected in very different housing compositions.

At Mountain's Edge, about 20 percent of the homes are attached, estimated Focus Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John Ritter. At Inspirada, as many as 60 percent of the homes will be attached, he said.

"If you look at every major city that has had both the growth in (housing) demand we've had and the constrained land supply we have, that is the direction they go in," Ritter said. "New York, areas of Manhattan, San Francisco and even parts of Washington, D.C. -- those areas became closed in. I think we're on the tipping point toward that kind of lifestyle."

Yet, Ritter and other local builders add that they believe new single-family home tracts have a future in the Las Vegas Valley beyond the next decade.

Klif Andrews, president of Pardee Homes' Nevada division, said millions of Americans remain invested in the suburban format that prevailed across the country following World War II.

"I strongly believe that the American dream still includes a backyard, a garage and a house that's in a suburban neighborhood," Andrews said. "That's an enduring dream for Americans, and I don't think it will go away. It's just getting tougher to make it work."

How much tougher?

Andrews said Pardee requires parcels of at least 40 acres to build a conventional single-family subdivision. But it's become virtually impossible to find privately owned plots of 40 acres or more; Andrews said he hasn't bought that large a piece of property inside Las Vegas in three years. Pardee is mostly living on land it bought at least three years ago, and it has a three-year supply of acreage to build on.

Pardee is also planning to unveil its first local attached communities in 2007, when it breaks ground on townhomes at Inspirada and flats at its Eldorado master plan in North Las Vegas.

But those attached communities don't mean Pardee will abandon the local single-family market altogether. The builder delivers about 1,600 new single-family homes annually in Las Vegas, a number Andrews said would likely fall to about 500 units in the next seven years to 10 years as land remains difficult to find.

To replace the lost inventory, Pardee is heading to Coyote Springs, a planned community 50 miles north of Las Vegas. Pardee is under contract to develop 10,000 single-family homes in the master plan's first phase.

Andrews said such exurbs could ease the pressure to go vertical in the valley.

"In virtually every other market across the country, commuting is a consistent solution for urban issues, whether it's high housing costs or congestion," he said. "You can look to Southern California, Phoenix, and markets in Texas and Florida, where an ocean of buyers commuting from exurban locations to urban workplaces continues to occur."

Executives of Standard Pacific Homes are also banking on sustained interest in single-family homes in Southern Nevada.

The California builder entered the Las Vegas market in May, when it began building Mountain Shadows, a 77-lot community of single-family homes in North Las Vegas. Standard Pacific is planning three additional single-family subdivisions across the valley, and is partnering with four other local builders to develop a North Las Vegas master plan on 2,675 acres of land formerly owned by the Bureau of Land Management.

"To say all the builders will simply fold up their tents and go away -- that's not going to happen," said Jim Cerrone, Standard Pacific's local vice president of sales and marketing. "It's going to be extremely tough. We're going to have to be a lot more creative, and it may mean revitalizing older neighborhoods. I think the market will adjust."

Yet even Standard Pacific will wade into the attached market in 2007 when it starts building townhouses and condominiums in northeast Las Vegas and Henderson. Cerrone said the builder's product mix will ultimately consist of 35 percent attached homes and 65 percent single-family homes. Rather than land pressures or demographic shifts, though, an emphasis on assembling a diverse portfolio is driving Standard Pacific's local entry into attached housing, Cerrone said.

"Most of us grew up in single-family homes, and we want our kids to have the same lifestyle," Cerrone said. "When our kids have kids, they're going to want yards, not a balcony on a 31-story building. And where there's a market (for single-family homes), we'll serve that market."

Added Andrews: "Someone has to convince me that most Americans who are given the choice wouldn't prefer a detached home with a yard and a little bit of space between the houses. We know Americans prefer that, because they'll pay more for a single-family home. People typically get forced into attached housing. They don't choose it."


Builders don't intend to let detached homes just fade away.

They're tweaking their approach to single-family neighborhoods, looking to impart some of the benefits that come with vertical mixed-use projects.

Home sites will shrink: Builders will fit as many as 10 single-family homes on an acre, up from four homes to six homes per acre half a decade ago, Ritter said.

Those lot specs will require builders to abandon backyards. But in place of rear yards, developers will set aside property for community parks, shopping centers and open space. Rather than planting public areas at the outskirts of a subdivision, planners will place parks and retail at the heart of a community, Ritter said, allowing residents to stash the car in the garage for the weekend and walk to their favorite shops, ball fields and eateries. And those cinder-block walls that ring newer subdivisions in Las Vegas? They won't grace future detached-home developments.

At Inspirada, for example, Focus is looking to include public spaces within a quarter-mile of every home. The master plan's 300-acre town center will house retailers ranging from grocery stores and dry cleaners to boutique clothiers.

Standard Pacific's Mountain Shadows will have a community park at its core. Houses encircling the park will have view fences rather than block walls, so residents can watch their children and greet their neighbors.

And Andrews said Pardee's Coyote Springs communities will incorporate neighborhood parks and open home sites that allow residents to "interact and mingle."

Ritter said consumers can also expect builders to de-emphasize garages, placing them in the back or at the side of the home. Houses will move closer to the curb, and living rooms and family rooms will look out on the street to open up homes to the neighborhood. Streets will narrow to help slow traffic.

The effort to replace yards with community parks will help single-family builders retain some of the consumers gravitating toward vertical communities, Ritter said, as young professionals and empty nesters looking for a low-maintenance lifestyle near retail, restaurants and entertainment find options in newer detached-home communities.

"We don't have to get rid of single-family homes to have intelligent, interactive communities," Andrews said.

Builders and analysts also say potential renegotiations of the county's Multispecies Habitat Conservation Plan and the Bureau of Land Management's disposal boundary -- a ring around the valley beyond which the agency won't sell acreage to private interests -- could forestall the demise of the conventional single-family home.

But Bottfeld said Manhattanization -- which he said refers not merely to the building of high-rises, but to the urbanization of broad swaths of the valley -- is inevitable. Even existing single-family communities could fall to the trend in 40 years to 50 years, he said, as developers buy up pockets of detached housing and convert them to mid-rise or high-rise communities.

Ritter predicted attached housing will make up 60 percent or more of the new-home market in about 10 years. Though he stopped short of forecasting an all-vertical new-home market, he said Las Vegas will take on a decidedly different skyline in coming years.

"It's a very natural progression to a city where people are relating to their neighbors and using public neighborhood spaces," Ritter said. "There's no question that, 10 years from now, attached housing will be an acceptable lifestyle in Las Vegas in those areas that provide for good outdoor public spaces and commercial amenities."

Yung getting wrecking ball ready for Trop

LV Business Press

Once Columbia Sussex CEO William Yung claims ownership to the Tropicana, he plans on taking a wrecking ball to the sprawling, low-rise buildings that cover many of the site's 34 acres. In an interview with "Casino Enterprise Management," Yung announced that "our plans are basically to keep the two hotel towers and showroom, and then pretty much get rid of everything else."

As part of a $2 billion overhaul, Yung would erect a 3,000-room Tropicana, another 3,000 rooms branded to "Hilton or Marriott or something like that," to be followed by a condo tower or a third, 3,000-room hotel. An additional 1.5 million square feet of development would be one-third retail, one-third meeting space and "various commercial stuff" filling out the remainder.

Non-gaming amenities would be expected to drive more than half the property's revenue. The Tropicana's casino is currently on pace for $62 million-plus in 2006 revenues. Yung's target for future Trop casino intake is between $160 million and $200 million annually.
Columbia Sussex CEO William Yung has bold plans for the Tropicana.

"We're not really expecting that much out of it," Yung told CEM Editor Matt Connor. "We'll make our money on the rest of the stuff."

One way that Yung plans to do so is to have Columbia Sussex's hotel operations run everything but the casino itself. Hotel housekeeping staff will double as cleaning staff for the casino proper, he told the magazine. "The hotel cleans the casino for them and does everything else ... 75 (percent) to 80 percent of the infrastructure and the jobs are done on the hotel side," said Yung, a former industrial engineer with the Jergens soap company. That regimen will be imposed on all four Aztar properties being bought. "We've done it everywhere," he said.

Informed of Yung's comments, one casino industry veteran groaned, "If you're going to own a Strip property, don't run it as a grind joint."

Kevin Kline, Culinary Union staff director, added that the Tropicana has an existing contract that includes a successorship clause that would bind Columbia Sussex to the terms of the current collective bargaining agreement. New owners would have to negotiate any changes.

Noting that the Tropicana would be Columbia Sussex's largest casino-hotel, Kline remarked, "once they get in there they'll see there needs to be a full-time workforce that cleans the casino and a full-time workforce that cleans the rooms."

Columbia Sussex also owns the Westin Casuarina, one block off the Strip, a non-union property. Asked if the Culinary would try to unionize the Westin when the collective bargaining agreement is up for renewal next year, Kline said, "We're right now focused on the Tropicana project."

The Westin employs distinct cleaning staffs for its guest rooms and public areas, respectively, said Director of Sales and Marketing Sandra Horvath. She added that she couldn't think of an area in the hotel-casino in which staffers double up on hotel- and casino-related tasks.

In addition to executing the Aztar buyout, Yung is also pursuing two casino projects in Louisiana. He is also seeking casino concessions in Kentucky and Pennsylvania. His rivals for the Keystone State project include Las Vegas Sands.

Aug 29, 2006, 1:59 PM
over 9 thousand rooms?!

Aug 29, 2006, 11:07 PM
isn't that overkill? to dump 9000 rooms into whats there and on the way up?? by the way, how many rooms are there currently in vegas? how many are U/C?

Aug 30, 2006, 2:37 AM
Well for starters...

*25,000 added hotel rooms are likely to be built in the next four years

*75,000 to 80,000 condominium units that are also likely to be built within the Strip area.

Citycenter seems to be on a roll. It looks like from what I can tell to be on the 2nd on maybe 3rd floor already. wow.

Check out the updated citycenter site for some new renders of the mixed use area and towers.


Also some new updates on the monorail.

Aug. 29, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Major expansion plans are in the works for the Las Vegas Monorail to help relieve traffic congestion along the resort corridor, including a hookup with the airport down Swenson Street and new stations that will link all four of the Strip's major convention centers for the first time.

The company's plans, which are still being worked on, include adding at least five new stations as well as a series of connections that would link the Las Vegas Monorail to properties on the west side of the Strip, Las Vegas Monorail Co. President Curtis Myles said.

With the new stations, the monorail will link more than 6 million square feet of exhibit and meeting space, including for the first time the Sands Expo and Convention Center, the Mandalay Bay Convention Center and the convention facilities planned at Boyd Gaming's Echelon Place, enhancing Las Vegas' role as the convention capital of the country, he said.

The Las Vegas Convention Center already has a monorail station, Myles said.

"Our future is going to be getting the airport connector and connecting the system to more resorts," Myles said.

However, even with the expansion plans, expected to be announced in the next six months, the Las Vegas Monorail stands to play a limited, although essential, role in addressing the transportation problems already afflicting the area's economic drive shaft, he said.

Myles believes any relief to traffic problems along the Strip will be limited, partially because at least 25,000 added hotel rooms are likely to be built in the next four years, generating another 53,000 trips a day through the resort corridor, a 25 percent increase over the 225,000 cars that travel along the resort corridor now every day.

Add the 75,000 to 80,000 condominium units that are also likely to be built in the area, and traffic could actually double from its current level.

The current monorail plan is to run a connector line down Swenson Street to McCarran International with spurs to Terminal 1, the main terminal today, and Terminal 3, which will be built north of the D gates, Myles said.

Airport spokeswoman Elaine Sanchez said plans for Terminal 3 are near completion and the new building should open in mid-2011.

Earlier plans had envisioned a link-up between the MGM Grand terminus and the A gates, but Federal Aviation Administration regulations and the cost of underground tunnels made that cost prohibitive, Myles said.

Officials with the $650 million monorail, which opened in 2004, have been working with the airport and the FAA on a study of the plan that they will each have to approve, he said.

The connector will run along Harmon Avenue, down Paradise Road, across Tropicana Avenue and down Swenson. It is planned to include stops at the new W Las Vegas hotel and the Hard Rock Hotel and the Thomas and Mack Center, Myles said.

Despite its opposition to a station when the monorail was first planned, the Sands Expo and Convention Center also is negotiating for a new station entrance from the current Harrah's Las Vegas station.

Monorail passengers would not make a second stop at the convention center, but would exit the monorail system and enter the Sands Expo and The Venetian through a separate building.

Talks are also in the works for a likely station at Boyd Gaming Corp.'s $4 billion Echelon Place on the Stardust site north of the current Sahara monorail terminus, Myles said.

And there is still a possibility of a station at the Stratosphere although that is a less certain prospect, he said.

In addition to the new stations, Myles said talks are also in the works to integrate the monorail with the three unconnected tram systems at the MGM Mirage properties on the west side of the Strip: one from Mandalay Bay to Excalibur, one from Monte Carlo to Bellagio, which has been closed during construction of the $7 billion Project CityCenter, and a third connecting the Mirage and Treasure Island.

MGM Mirage executives declined to comment, but Myles said they are performing analyses to determine the most cost-effective way to integrate the trams with the monorail system.

MGM Mirage Chairman Terry Lanni last year talked about integrating his trams into a single system that would run from Mandalay Bay through Caesars Palace, which is owned by Harrah's Entertainment, all the way to Treasure Island.

Myles said the monorail is studying alternatives to integrate the present system with the MGM Mirage trams or even to replace the MGM Mirage systems.

Earlier plans for an east-west loop around Fashion Show Mall from the Las Vegas Convention Center have been scrapped because it would not put the most riders where they want to go, Myles said.

Brian Gordon, a principal in Las Vegas-based consultants Applied Analysis, said the added stations are critical for the success of the monorail system.

Now, the monorail runs along a short, 4-mile route from the Sahara to the MGM Grand, with stops at the Las Vegas Hilton, the Las Vegas Convention Center, Harrah's/Imperial Palace, the Flamingo/Caesars Palace, and Bally's/Paris Las Vegas.

University of Nevada, Las Vegas Professor Bill Thompson, who specializes in gaming studies, said the added stations are important to the destination, gaming companies and the community.

Moving tourists and gamblers more conveniently enhances the visitor experience, he said.

"Plus, stopping at Thomas and Mack is fantastic. That'll make Thomas and Mack part of the Strip. It'll be a rare evening when there isn't something going on there and it should cut down on street traffic and parking as well," Thompson said.

In the long run, Myles said any increased ridership could lead to reduced fares, especially if that would mean even more riders.

"If people come here and can't move around, it won't be nearly as successful as it can be and we need to do our part," Myles added.

The Las Vegas Monorail Co. has not determined how its expansion plans would be funded. However, in the past, casino operators kicked in around $20 million per station.

Analysts, who declined to comment until they see how any bond financing is structured, anticipate stronger support from the airport and from MGM Mirage, once arrangements are finalized.

They said with support like that, it should not be too difficult to float a new bond offering.

A state guarantee or continued nonprofit status, each of which could be controversial, also would help, they said.

Greg Borgel, owner of consulting firm Moreno and Associates, said monies generated by casinos on the Strip will simply have to be used for transportation improvements, or visitors will face unacceptable congestion.

The monorail has struggled to gain riders since opening, with ridership far less than the 50,000 daily riders its backers first forecast.

The goal is for the system to carry 15 million to 20 million riders a year by 2016, Myles said, which will amount to about 10 percent of the rapidly increasing visitors moving about the resort corridor.

The company has yet to produce a profit and its bond rating has been reduced to "junk" status, though deep cash reserves have kept the system afloat so far.

Aug 30, 2006, 7:38 PM
good news about the monorail. i still think a train/bus line down the middle of the strip will be needed eventually. but this is a start. i am not a fan of monorail but any kind of public transportation is better than none.

also, firt time ive seen that city center website. good to know they are keeping the name City Center. i was always wondering if they would leave the project name on there and i guess they have. it would be wierd calling it anything else.

Aug 30, 2006, 10:47 PM
hate to break it to you all but the word on the street over a week ago is that Fontainbleau was cancelled.

Aug 30, 2006, 11:52 PM
hate to break it to you all but the word on the street over a week ago is that Fontainbleau [sic] was cancelled.

Sad if true, but you don't post count to establish any credibility just yet. Turnberry certainly has track record of local sucess (Turnberry Place I-IV completed, Turberry Towers I-II under construction, MGM Signature I complte, II-III U/C, and Town Square) and the money to build whatever they want at the site. If it's not the Fontainebleau, I'm sure it will be something even bigger.

Aug 31, 2006, 2:33 AM
ugh I hope so. Fontainebleau is not the first project to bite the dust on that site (London casino). They need to get rid of any desert patches left on the strip. It shouldn't have barren spots like that.

Aug 31, 2006, 6:46 AM

Aug 31, 2006, 7:15 AM
eh youre right i dont have the cred... i am just a lowly architect working on the design of one of the largest resort/casino projects on the strip...
i would rather hear that montreux was cancelled... what a joke that place will be.

I'll take 62 floors of derivative design over the Frontier. (Of course if they change their mind and build a hip frost white/silver glass curtain wall tower that nicely balances out the Trump tower(s) I wouldn't complain either.)

Aug 31, 2006, 7:45 AM
eh youre right i dont have the cred... i am just a lowly architect working on the design of one of the largest resort/casino projects on the strip...
i would rather hear that montreux was cancelled... what a joke that place will be.

would this have anything to do with Harrah's plans? if so, when will be able to see them?

Aug 31, 2006, 4:12 PM
ok thats dumb - i know (and work with) several people that are on the fountainblue. how can it just pop up dead? thats silly... i will highly doubt that news

Aug 31, 2006, 5:24 PM
anyways in the news today:

Riviera Sale Vetoed By Shareholders
The lowball bid for the aging Riviera Hotel & Casino by Riviera Holdings Corp. was vetoed by shareholders today. The $426 million dollar buyout offer has been the subject of stockholder anger since the takeover was announced earlier this year.

The Riviera will continue to operate as-is for the forseeable future. Gaming industry rumor mill has numerous companies standing in the lurch to snap up the 25 acre parcel on the north end of the strip.

Aug 31, 2006, 9:48 PM
forgive me if i am wrong. my source was pretty good though. i sort of heard they called everyone in and asked for the last bill... yes turnberry was involved but i do not think it is solely their project? i posted to sort of see if anyone else had heard the same...
kind of a shame about the Riviera, what a dog that place is.
Not involved in harrahs project, i am as curious as you are as to what is going on down there.

Aug 31, 2006, 10:36 PM
the riviera has been switching hands for a while, seems like a bunch of rich fat guys are just swapin stocks (trump once has 10percent of shares) the riv COULD be a great potential buy, with coverage from the strip to paradise.

That and sahara, but i'd put money on riveria before sahara. i'd think the riv (and maybe circus circus) would get some plaster before sahara does.

sky and grand vacation club has really made that block nice(r) slowly slowly the stratosphere will actually be part of 'the strip' and not just LV BLVD

Sep 1, 2006, 12:29 AM
Well for starters...

*25,000 added hotel rooms are likely to be built in the next four years

*75,000 to 80,000 condominium units that are also likely to be built within the Strip area.

Also some new updates on the monorail.

Where do these stats come from? Mars? It's numbers like these that are causing buyer caution for Las Vegas. We track this data weekly and our count shows 895 residential condos and 1407 condo-hotel units will exist in the prime Strip area at end of 2006. At the end, of 2007 that number grows to 1622 residential condos and 1983 condo-hotel units. 75,000 condos isn't gonna happen in Las Vegas and we need to get the media to stop creating hysteria with these off the wall numbers. Miami with 50,000 condos yes but not the prime Strip area of Las Vegas.

If someone is counting the so called PLANNED numbers those are called DREAMERS. More get cancelled than built so let's quote real measurable numbers instead.

Sep 1, 2006, 2:34 AM
this is cool. streamline buried a time capsul last month.....


Sep 5, 2006, 1:16 AM
The Stratosphere Camera has returned, but only to be stuck in one position...

As you can See Hilton Grand Vacations Seems to be completed, Allure looks tall along with Sky, Trump also looks great.

Sep 5, 2006, 1:57 AM
Here is another one of my Update Compilations :)

World View Towers
WPH Architecture updated their World View Towers page, but it looks interactive, but is not. Too bad you cant enlarge those bottom renderings.

Stanhi Completley Redesigned
Looks like the smaller version is going to be built instead....But Still looks great!! :) I think I prefer the new design :)

Spanish View, all 3 towers under construction
According to this pic, are all towers under construction now.

Majestic Opening 2009
Delayed Another year, according to the official website.

One Las Vegas + World-class boutique hotel?
One Las Vegas, now has 7 Towers in the project, two Modern World-class boutique hotel towers have been added and will be located right next to Las Vegas Boulevard.

One Las Vegas Construction Rising Fast
Tower One and Two are well under construction,
http://www.one-lasvegas.com/gallery/construction/3.jpg http://www.one-lasvegas.com/gallery/construction/2.jpg http://www.one-lasvegas.com/gallery/construction/1.jpg

Panorama Lookin Good
Tower One looks great! Tower Two Topped Off, Tower Three Underway.
http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction3/images/IIIPanoprogAugust0806_01.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction/images/2006_07_24_04.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction/images/2006_07_24_01.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction2/images/II2006_07_24_01.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction2/images/II2006_07_24_02.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction2/images/II2006_07_24_03.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction2/images/II2006_07_24_04.jpg http://www.panoramatowers.com/construction3/images/IIIPanoprogAugust0806_07.jpg

Sandhurst Dead??
I'm not sure if it is, but the official website is one of those "fake" advertising websites.

Above Sky
Sky has some great views, Shots from the top:
http://www.skylasvegas.com/newimages/strip2a.jpg http://www.skylasvegas.com/newimages/manontop2.jpg http://www.skylasvegas.com/newimages/strip22.jpg

Best For Last:

Thats all for now :)