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VegasBound
Jun 10, 2009, 6:19 PM
FB is far too large for its site.

Couldn't agree with you more. I have said that from day one. It is a shame. Partial blame to the county for consistently rubber stamping any project that came before them, existing setback regulations be damned.

Still I would prefer to see it finished though rather than just standing as a ghost tower.

Krases
Jun 11, 2009, 12:00 AM
Tremendous cost overruns - they dealt themselves a rotten hand by not managing the project properly. And the design and scope is flawed - FB is far too large for its site. If they had designed something half the size it would be open and probably cash-flow positive by now. As it is, FB could be standing there 70% finished for the next decade. Like that "ghost hotel" in Pyongyang.

I've been critical of the ugly design of the new Plaza, but at least El Ad was smart enough not to start something they had no hope of finishing.

Yeah that was a pretty poor move on FB's part, while other projects were being put on hold they steamed right ahead. I wonder what the projects future will be. A huge casino such as that doesn't just stand there not being used, someone will buy it. This isn't North Korea so I don't think it will be long before someone wants a piece of it.

CHAPINM1
Jun 11, 2009, 5:15 AM
Fountainbleau should be the least of anyone's worries. Comparing it to the Ghost hotel of Pyongyang is comparing apples to oranges. Lets take into account, this is Las Vegas, a great city in an even greater country that is capable and will rebound eventually from this hidious recession! Las Vegas despite hard times, will see constant growth in the long run whereas Pyongyang being a place that isn't exactly the first on anyone's "go-to" list to visit or invest in. Point being, in time, there will be plenty of people lined up to stay at the Font and I'm sure somethings bound to happen sooner than later. JUST MY OPINION!!!

Krases
Jun 11, 2009, 9:41 PM
Fountainbleau should be the least of anyone's worries. Comparing it to the Ghost hotel of Pyongyang is comparing apples to oranges. Lets take into account, this is Las Vegas, a great city in an even greater country that is capable and will rebound eventually from this hidious recession! Las Vegas despite hard times, will see constant growth in the long run whereas Pyongyang being a place that isn't exactly the first on anyone's "go-to" list to visit or invest in. Point being, in time, there will be plenty of people lined up to stay at the Font and I'm sure somethings bound to happen sooner than later. JUST MY OPINION!!!

No doubt that FB will be purchased by someone else or FB the company will somehow hold onto it through bankruptcy. It will be interesting to see were things are at around the valley in about a year, especially with Phil Ruffin still floating around waiting to nab something. Its interesting that Ruffin is the only guy out there with a large positive amount of cash just sitting there instead of bank loans. If he seriously took out a gigantic loan on top of his existing cash when the economy is in the beginnings of an up-swing, he would be unstoppable.

DracoCaifan
Jun 12, 2009, 1:47 AM
Wow!! I can't wait for that bridge to be done.... Is going to save us so much time to get to Sin City.... Thanks for the photo Next month I'll be passing by hopefully the arch is completed by then.... I'll take my camera :-D

mac78130
Jun 13, 2009, 1:48 AM
flickr photo by ChuckThePhotographer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckthephotographer/3614450900/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/3614450900_36b29cedc4_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 13, 2009, 1:51 AM
Harmon rising again.
flickr photo by patti heck (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28978054@N00/3620151071/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3372/3620151071_e4bcb88dfe_b.jpg

Krases
Jun 13, 2009, 4:29 AM
The bridge is getting close. It will still be a while because of the road surface. I wonder how much time it will cut for the Phoenix-LV trip. We get a lot of tourists out of southern California, but Arizona is looking like a potential market.

solediavolo
Jun 13, 2009, 4:36 PM
I live in Phoenix and we visit Vegas 2 or 3 times a year and was looking forward to the bridge. I had timed it to help about 15 minutes minimum on a non-busy travel day. More jampacked days on the dam would help quite a bit more-supposedly.

I say supposedly because on the surface it would seem to help, but the problem is semi trucks will be allowed to take this route once again, and with it and the faster travel across the river, the backups going through Boulder City will be huge. I know at one time they were looking to build a bypass toll highway around the city, but it looks like that isn't going to happen.

I'm anxious to see how this plays out. I bet the Boulder City folks are, too.

BTW, they're widening the highway for quite a ways leading up to the dam area, but I'm not sure if it's going to be all the way from Kingman. Nor am I sure how long it's going to take to finish. Anyone know?

heyyoucharlie
Jun 13, 2009, 6:57 PM
I know that on the Nevada they were replaceing a couple of miles of US93... Here are some my pics from 6 months back:

New road from the old 2 lane hwy:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u270/heyyoucharlie/091.jpg

In these pics you see the new Hwy, the old 2 lane road goes underneath the concrete section:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u270/heyyoucharlie/096.jpg


I have been meaning to go back out there, but it's good to be busy at work right now... :tup:

leftopolis
Jun 13, 2009, 9:40 PM
Lots of info here:

http://www.hooverdambypass.org/


Construction of the Colorado River Bridge is advancing with construction of the 1,060 foot twin-rib concrete arch. The Colorado River Bridge is the central portion of the Hoover Dam Bypass Project. Construction on the nearly 2,000 foot long bridge began in late January 2005 and the completion of the entire Hoover Dam Bypass Project is expected in June 2010. When completed, this signature bridge will span the Black Canyon (about 1,600 feet south of the Hoover Dam), connecting the Arizona and Nevada Approach highways nearly 900-feet above the Colorado River.


We're still a year away from completion--but they have been on schedule, and from the same site, the completion of the arch portion will be in September, '09.

BTW, there's a wickedly cool webcam--on the above page, upper left side. Unfortunately, I'm not the computer maven who can figure out how to post one of those current images here, but it's worth checking out.

Krases
Jun 15, 2009, 12:24 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/14/maglev-or-desertxpress-could-be-your-new-ride/

A very extensive article on the MAGLEV versus Desert express debate. Allow me to highlight some major points:

-Harry Reid recently decided to start backing the Desert express instead of the Maglev. Dina Titus, while thinking the Maglev is superior, may follow Reid's lead on the matter.

-The Desert express only goes to Victorville while the Maglev goes into Annaheim. Desert express has said that marketing studies prove that people would be willing to drive from LA to Victorville to catch the train, but has also said "the company is planning the next phase" as a backup. Whatever that means.

-Strip casino's don't seem to be able to back it (DesertExpress). Its not that they don't want to, its that the current economy forbids it.

-Right now its kind of neck and neck between the two projects because it was looking like Maglev was looking like it could get stimulus dollars. With Ried now backing DesertExpress, that could change very quickly. Desert Express also seems to have done more research into feasibility and is vastly cheaper.


In an ideal world, I would love to see a maglev system. Unfortunately its just way to expensive and unproven. I think Vegas is the perfect city for this because there would be little use for stops along the way as opposed to East Coast. It would be a very fast trip.

leftopolis
Jun 15, 2009, 1:42 AM
Well I gotta say--they are both lame. The maglev is less likely...and we're left with a train that only goes up to 150mph? For starters, that was the state of the art, nearly a half century ago. It's gotta go 180-200mph to be considered somewhat modern. Secondly, the SoCal exurb of Victorville? If the best they can do, is an exurb, why not go just a little farther to Palmdale and connect at the same station that the CA HSR system is scheduled for. Then the 18 million people of the greater LA area could simply go HSR all the way, with a stop to change trains in Palmdale. I just don't see why anybody would drive a car, take a bus, or a slo-mo Amtrack train out to Victorville. That's already 1/3 of the trip--there's no advantage over the current options.

Krases
Jun 15, 2009, 3:36 AM
You have to hope they can somehow upgrade the trains later on. I guess it depends upon whether its successful or not, but it seems destined to fail unless it links into LA a bit closer, kind of like how the monorail had so few riders because it did not link into the airport. A direct high speed rail link to LAX could potentially unlock a new spectrum of international visitors who could take the train to LV and hang out on the strip.


One thing that I want to see if any high speed rail plans go fourth is this: an awesome train station here in Vegas.

mdiederi
Jun 15, 2009, 6:56 AM
In town wrapping up some business and took a quick snap shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/citycenter/cc-4.jpg

leftopolis
Jun 15, 2009, 11:06 PM
^
Woo-Hoo! My new desktop!

BTW, has Vegas had an unusual number of cloudy/showery days the last few months? It would seem so from the pics. I know once it's summer, that monsoonal thunderstorms aren't unusual...but here in the Bay Area it's been cool/cloudy/showery every day in June, thus far--which is very unusual. Just curious if that's been the case in LV(not trying to turn this into a global climate change thread or anything!).

hotdog
Jun 15, 2009, 11:40 PM
Hopefully, Fontainebleau can find more investors:

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2009/06/15/news/iq_29300411.txt

Also, the judge ruled in their favor against the lenders in a small release of money for short-term expenses, so hopefully the judge is sympathetic towards Fontainebleau.

Krases
Jun 15, 2009, 11:59 PM
^
Woo-Hoo! My new desktop!

BTW, has Vegas had an unusual number of cloudy/showery days the last few months? It would seem so from the pics. I know once it's summer, that monsoonal thunderstorms aren't unusual...but here in the Bay Area it's been cool/cloudy/showery every day in June, thus far--which is very unusual. Just curious if that's been the case in LV(not trying to turn this into a global climate change thread or anything!).

The Colorado river and Vegas received 150% snow pack over this last winter. 5 more years of that would pull us out of the drought. That is at least what my environmental studies professor said. So far the weather has been amazing for June. A nice smattering of clouds and low temperatures, but not much in the way of actual rain.

CHAPINM1
Jun 16, 2009, 12:11 AM
The Colorado river and Vegas received 150% snow pack over this last winter. 5 more years of that would pull us out of the drought. That is at least what my environmental studies professor said. So far the weather has been amazing for June. A nice smattering of clouds and low temperatures, but not much in the way of actual rain.

If you want clouds, come here to shitass Minnesota where the weather's always lousy. There are enough cloudy/cold days here to make one sick. One of the very reasons I am moving out there is to get out of the weather here. Hopefully by then Vegas will be seeing it's normal appropriate non-cloudy hot days as it should otherwise.

leftopolis
Jun 16, 2009, 12:26 AM
The Colorado river and Vegas received 150% snow pack over this last winter. 5 more years of that would pull us out of the drought. That is at least what my environmental studies professor said. So far the weather has been amazing for June. A nice smattering of clouds and low temperatures, but not much in the way of actual rain.

150% sounds like good news--having lived in drought-prone parts of The West for most of my life, I know one good year doesn't do much towards wiping out a multi-year drought...Oh, and thanks for the local weather info.

Krases
Jun 16, 2009, 12:28 AM
If you want clouds, come here to shitass Minnesota where the weather's always lousy. There are enough cloudy/cold days here to make one sick. One of the very reasons I am moving out there is to get out of the weather here. Hopefully by then Vegas will be seeing it's normal appropriate non-cloudy hot days as it should otherwise.

Really? I am thinking about moving to Seattle out of college so I can see rain and clouds more often. I like Vegas, but literally being able to cook food inside your car when left out in the sun gets annoying. My parents home has heavy roll down shutters, two swamp coolers and normal air conditioning but luckily our house allows us to just use the swamp coolers (although we can't use the living room and study due to the heat).

Its a dry heat though. Align your water drinking habits with that of the Israeli military and you will be fine for long outside excursions.

CHAPINM1
Jun 16, 2009, 12:53 AM
Really? I am thinking about moving to Seattle out of college so I can see rain and clouds more often. I like Vegas, but literally being able to cook food inside your car when left out in the sun gets annoying. My parents home has heavy roll down shutters, two swamp coolers and normal air conditioning but luckily our house allows us to just use the swamp coolers (although we can't use the living room and study due to the heat).

Its a dry heat though. Align your water drinking habits with that of the Israeli military and you will be fine for long outside excursions.

To each their own. ;) I have the SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder), I need so much sun and the weather we get here really depresses the hell out of me.

BTW, great to hear news on the Font! Hopefully that project will be the ray of light since most other projects construction is almost over. Hopefully Echelon will start and keep this thread busy for a while as well. Also, is it true that the Harmon has started to rise again?

VegasMatt
Jun 16, 2009, 9:02 PM
^
Woo-Hoo! My new desktop!

BTW, has Vegas had an unusual number of cloudy/showery days the last few months? It would seem so from the pics. I know once it's summer, that monsoonal thunderstorms aren't unusual...but here in the Bay Area it's been cool/cloudy/showery every day in June, thus far--which is very unusual. Just curious if that's been the case in LV(not trying to turn this into a global climate change thread or anything!).

It’s been surprisingly nice the last few weeks. Normally, it’s a bit hotter. We’ve had some cloud cover, but not any rain.

As for CHAPINM1, as long as you can stand the heat for a month or two, I think you’d really like it here. There’s plenty of sunshine.
I’ve lived in cloudy cities, as well as here, and I’ve felt a month drab days gets older much faster than a month of sunshine.
Once in awhile I need to travel to get a little variety in my weather, but I’m always happy to go home to blue skies.
Best of luck with the move.

mac78130
Jun 16, 2009, 9:31 PM
flickr photo by Drew & Becca (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_becca/3633309968/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3633309968_c926927119_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 16, 2009, 9:37 PM
Waiting...
flickr photo by shirley turner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29146294@N06/3632741264/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3632741264_a82513217e_b.jpg

Plokoon11
Jun 16, 2009, 11:35 PM
^ Whats going on with Ftbl? Is it on hold, is it not opening because of money problems?

CHAPINM1
Jun 17, 2009, 12:03 AM
Thank you for the kind words VegasMatt! Also, Fontainebleau's financing was cut short; however, a judge just reciently favored with Fontainebleau and they were awarded roughly $500 milliion, hopefully enough to resume construction in the meantime.

Krases
Jun 17, 2009, 12:30 AM
Thank you for the kind words VegasMatt! Also, Fontainebleau's financing was cut short; however, a judge just reciently favored with Fontainebleau and they were awarded roughly $500 milliion, hopefully enough to resume construction in the meantime.

Oh wow I thought it was only a little cash to pay off contractors in the short term. 500 mil almost gets the project to 90% done. I am tempted to say that they could finish the main floor and open it with that kind of cash. They would have to hold off on the condo hotels though. At least it could get positive cash flow.

mac78130
Jun 17, 2009, 1:49 AM
F'bleau cost overruns led to default

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/16/lenders-substantial-losses-led-pulling-fontaineble/

mac78130
Jun 17, 2009, 2:06 AM
New Palm trees on the median :)
Flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3634332880/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3634332880_486f13cdc9_b.jpg

flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3633518071/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3633518071_b6d2bfbf9e_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 17, 2009, 2:08 AM
Flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3633517829/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3633517829_136284e6d4_b.jpg

flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3634331796/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3394/3634331796_eab096d23b_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 17, 2009, 2:11 AM
Flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3634332178/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3401/3634332178_9688186d82_b.jpg

justdefended
Jun 17, 2009, 6:29 AM
New Palm trees on the median :)
Flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3634332880/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3634332880_486f13cdc9_b.jpg

flickr photo by Dan4th (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan4th/3633518071/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3633518071_b6d2bfbf9e_b.jpg

Awesome pictures. It's nice to see CityCenter homing in toward completion.

So will Crystals have two different shades to it? It looks like the left is a pearl cover and the right is a copper layer?

jayguy
Jun 17, 2009, 3:41 PM
I think the left side of crystals in the pic above is just reflecting sunlight, and the right is in shade. It's all the same metal sheathing I believe, but I haven't driven down there in a couple weeks.

VegasMatt
Jun 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
I think the left side of crystals in the pic above is just reflecting sunlight, and the right is in shade. It's all the same metal sheathing I believe, but I haven't driven down there in a couple weeks.

When I saw the photos here , I thought the same thing, that the color shift may be a trick with the sunlight. However about a week ago, I saw the facing up close and it was indeed two different colors. One was silver and the other was the copper tone. When I saw it, I thought the copper color may be protective coating that could be removed to at a later date to reveal a silver facing underneath. I 'm not sure of this though, it may stay copper.

leftopolis
Jun 18, 2009, 7:17 PM
I gptta admit to having slightly mixed feelings on this--but the end result is NIMBYism is alive and well in LV. On the one hand, 10 story buildings, don't need to happen in the central core exclusively(certainly 20+), on the other hand, I question how "semi-rural" this area is--particularly since they've knocked it down to 5. Secondly, construction/development/real-estate in the LV Valley--is in a shambles and a seemingly never-ending downward spiral. From that perspective, I'd say anyything goes(practically), if the developer wants to build something and has the financing to do it.

Perhaps a local can clarify for me, the "semi-rural" nature of this location...it's been 4 years since my last visit to LV.

http://media.lvrj.com/images/3647370.jpg

COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING: Neighbors say smaller hotel still no better - lvrj.com (http://www.lvrj.com/news/48421917.html)


It was a classic case of a proposed development clashing with a sleepy, semi-rural neighborhood.

Developer Paige Gross, whose proposed hotel and shopping complex was soundly rebuffed last year by Clark County commissioners, offered a scaled-down version to the board Wednesday.

But the smaller version failed to placate neighbors who live near the 7.7-acre site at Dean Martin Drive and Agate Avenue, west of Interstate 15 and the south end of the Strip.

A couple of dozen opponents showed up at the commission meeting, some brandishing signs reading "We Live Here. No Hotel!" Almost 150 neighbors had signed a petition denouncing the project.

Strong emotions, impassioned testimony and haggling over legal minutia made for a contentious 21/2-hour debate.

"It's all for greed," said Jim McGaughey III, a nearby resident. "It's the same greed we've had for the last eight years, allowing all these special interest groups to run reckless with their profiteering motives to do whatever they want at the expense of the homeowner."

But attorney Christopher Kaempfer, who represented the developer, argued that the county's master plan allows for a hotel and retail complex and, therefore, the commission must grant that use.

"Without adherence to our master plans, neither homeowners nor developers can ever be protected," Kaempfer said. "Then our master plans quite simply mean nothing."

The proposed hotel was cut in half, from 100 feet tall to 50 feet, from 328 rooms to 160, and from 332,000 square feet to 142,000....
blah-blah-blah...

Kingofthehill
Jun 18, 2009, 7:51 PM
What neighborhoods in LV, aside from the Strip (if you can call it a nabe), have some sort of density or architectural merit?

leftopolis
Jun 18, 2009, 8:20 PM
What neighborhoods in LV, aside from the Strip (if you can call it a nabe), have some sort of density or architectural merit?

Downtown for starters. It obviously has a ways to go for a city of 600,000+, but the mayor and politicos of LV know that. Furthermore, it's quite common for a city that was a town only 2 generations ago, to experience a bit of lag-time in developing their central core. There are also some pockets of density in the suburban areas, including Henderson, Las Vegas proper, along with other Clark County jurisdictional areas.

My point was more that a 5-10 story building could go just about anywhere that there already is a degree of suburban development--structures in that hight range wouln't need to go in DT or future TOD type areas.

On the subjet of LV density in general--in 2005 I flew into LV from Portland OR--both of which have comparable metro populations. For all the anecdotal talk of LV being sprawlish and Portland being compact and contained by it's long-standing urban growth boundary...that's not what I saw during the night flights. From the air, the "blob" of LV was more compact and rapidly ended in darkness at it's perimeter, while Portland was denser in the center yet spread out farther as it gradually transitioned into rural farmland without a cut and dry boundary.

ScottG
Jun 19, 2009, 3:14 AM
from the movie '2012' trailer that came out today, i caught this shot of vegas (from the movie) - looks like the desert implodes onto itself - - but its ok we still have power ;)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5493/69128678.jpg

Krases
Jun 19, 2009, 6:16 AM
Downtown for starters. It obviously has a ways to go for a city of 600,000+, but the mayor and politicos of LV know that. Furthermore, it's quite common for a city that was a town only 2 generations ago, to experience a bit of lag-time in developing their central core. There are also some pockets of density in the suburban areas, including Henderson, Las Vegas proper, along with other Clark County jurisdictional areas.

My point was more that a 5-10 story building could go just about anywhere that there already is a degree of suburban development--structures in that hight range wouln't need to go in DT or future TOD type areas.

On the subjet of LV density in general--in 2005 I flew into LV from Portland OR--both of which have comparable metro populations. For all the anecdotal talk of LV being sprawlish and Portland being compact and contained by it's long-standing urban growth boundary...that's not what I saw during the night flights. From the air, the "blob" of LV was more compact and rapidly ended in darkness at it's perimeter, while Portland was denser in the center yet spread out farther as it gradually transitioned into rural farmland without a cut and dry boundary.

I think Vegas needs to institute some sort of urban sprawl limitation. Unlike many other cities, Vegas does not have that smooth transition from city to rural with urban giving way to suburbs giving way to agriculture. We have urban giving way to suburbs giving way to the empty desert. The eastern side of the city needs to stop at the mountains...maybe going up the side a little bit so long as no major erosion takes place and the mountains maintain there form. The southern portion of the city also needs to end at the mountains with a significant hilly gap between the city and Sloan. West needs to stop a healthy distance from red rocks with at least 2 miles empty space between Calico Basin and the furthest western expanses of the city. North should end at around the sheep range and northwest needs to end at the road that peals off towards Mt. Charleston.

This plan is aggressive and general (meaning it needs lots of tweaking), but the population could increase 50% with all the empty land dotted around the city and room for expansion before the limits kick in. After that, its time to look to downtown and start expanding the pedestrian only areas with new high quality developments.

Zach6668
Jun 19, 2009, 5:28 PM
from the movie '2012' trailer that came out today, i caught this shot of vegas (from the movie) - looks like the desert implodes onto itself - - but its ok we still have power ;)


Why did Bellagio and Paris trade sides of the street? LOL

nature's calling
Jun 19, 2009, 5:52 PM
A 200 acre park wouldn't be too much to ask.;) :haha:

mac78130
Jun 19, 2009, 6:07 PM
F'bleau and banks going to mediation

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/19/judge-orders-mediation-fontainebleau-banks/

mdiederi
Jun 20, 2009, 4:13 AM
According to the RJ, Steve Wynn toured the Fontainebleau earlier this week.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/48642432.html

solediavolo
Jun 20, 2009, 4:38 AM
from the movie '2012' trailer that came out today, i caught this shot of vegas (from the movie) - looks like the desert implodes onto itself - - but its ok we still have power ;)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5493/69128678.jpg

Funny-my 14 year old daughter glanced over at this pic as I was reading and immediately mentioned how out of place the resorts were from their actual locations. That pretty much ruined the trailer without even seeing it.

Krases
Jun 20, 2009, 5:04 PM
I wonder if the casino's paid to be put into that shot? That might explain the incorrect locations as they all need to be visible in one shot.

mdiederi
Jun 20, 2009, 5:28 PM
Reminds me of this one:

xpAf8HEUIjc

Krases
Jun 20, 2009, 6:06 PM
That helicopter scene was hilarious. "Durrrr hurrr lets fly in front of the massive wall of water and see if the dam holds". Wow.

mac78130
Jun 20, 2009, 7:09 PM
flickr photo by 1suisse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/1suisse/3643726138/) CityCenter/Cosmopolitan
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3644/3643726138_7a7a35185f_b.jpg

flickr photo by 1suisse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/1suisse/3643722330/) Octavius Tower
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3643722330_c9d3845c34_b.jpg

flickr photo by 1suisse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/1suisse/3643384832/in/set-72157619579001040/) Cosmopolitan
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3643384832_597ee61b57_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 20, 2009, 7:43 PM
Mandarin looking sharp. Veer West removed it's construction elevator so it should be enclosed soon.
flickr photo by destikon (http://www.flickr.com/photos/warmtransformer/3640840227/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/3640840227_dc4b9df69b_b.jpg

Krases
Jun 20, 2009, 8:15 PM
Good finds! Vegas at sunset is always amazing.

mac78130
Jun 22, 2009, 1:39 AM
flickr photo by elyse 21252 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/elyser/3647163771/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3647163771_28a0ef3065_b.jpg

heyyoucharlie
Jun 22, 2009, 2:22 AM
:previous: :jester: Great shot!!! Love the port-a-potties...

justdefended
Jun 22, 2009, 3:10 AM
flickr photo by elyse 21252 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/elyser/3647163771/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3647163771_28a0ef3065_b.jpg

OK, now the part that was copper is now the lighter color that was on the left side of Crystals. It's an optical illusion!

mac78130
Jun 22, 2009, 5:32 AM
How MGM Mirage saved CityCenter

http://www.lvrj.com/business/48721837.html

Krases
Jun 22, 2009, 4:11 PM
:previous:

"Brazil used to have forests," Jacobs said. (When referring to the amount of paperwork used to review various things about the company and City Center at meetings).

mac78130
Jun 22, 2009, 5:38 PM
CityCenter website updated
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx
http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_1.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_3.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_7.jpg

mac78130
Jun 22, 2009, 8:57 PM
Cosmopolitan
flickr photo by zhollett (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zhollett/3649952640/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2452/3649952640_93b0578252_b.jpg

CityCenter
flickr photo by zhollett (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zhollett/3649143555/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3649143555_eb77b012bb_b.jpg

mdiederi
Jun 22, 2009, 11:31 PM
Holy Cow! Mr. Walgreens Mixing Drugs, Gaming
http://www.globest.com/news/1436_1436/lasvegas/179345-1.html


By Brian K. Miller
LAS VEGAS-“The slot machines are over there; we’ll call you when your Prozac is ready.”

The casino wouldn't actually be in the pharmacy, of course, but they will be closer than is typical, even for Vegas. The owner of the former Holy Cow! Casino site at the corner of Sahara and Las Vegas boulevards – the very north end of the so-called Las Vegas Strip – wants to redevelop it with a two-story, 40,000-square-foot building housing a Walgreens drug store, a casino, a restaurant and a tavern.

Those are the plans now on file with Clark County, anyway. They come nearly two years after Steve Johnson, a low-key investor-developer from Scottsdale, AZ with Strip and Walgreens experience snapped up the two-acre site for $47 million, giving him one of the smallest gaming-entitled site on the Strip.

The delay in developing the site is in part due to the fact that, at the time of the acquisition, Johnson was busy with an even smaller but more centrally located parcel on the Strip, a 0.64-acre site fronting the Venetian and Palazzo casinos. He acquired it in 2003 for a whopping $32.5 million, which translates to $50 million per acre—by most accounts the most anyone has ever paid for land on the Strip.

That site was in the process of becoming a 50-story luxury residential-over-retail tower when his partner Las Vegas Sands pulled the plug on its piece of the construction in late 2008. The site now holds only Johnson’s portion of the development, the first two stories, one of which now holds a Walgreens. Above that, Johnson had leased six stories of air rights to Las Vegas Sands Corp. for office space and, above that, sold them the air rights for the condos.

Shortly after he acquired the Holy Cow! site Johnson told GlobeSt.com that he was actively designing something for the property but declined to confirm that Walgreens was the likely tenant there as well. “We’re comfortable with Strip development moving north beyond Sahara [Avenue],” is all he would say.

This time around, Johnson wasn’t immediately available for comment, having apparently fled his residence in Scottsdale for someplace more habitable in the summer months. Given that the official owner of the site is Johnson’s Colorado-licensed LLC Aspen Highlands Holdings, GlobeSt.com is guessing he’s currently recovering from the Telluride Bluegrass Festival.

Regardless, he or representatives are expected back in Las Vegas on July 9 for a hearing on his new project in front of the Las Vegas Planning Commission. Johnson hopes to raze the existing structure as soon as possible and have the new place up and running by late 2010, a Johnson spokesperson tells GlobeSt.com.

Plans on file with the city call for a two-story, 40-foot-high building that would have 37,100 square feet of floor space. The design also calls for significant exterior advertising including LED billboards with full-motion video wrapping around Las Vegas Boulevard and Sahara Avenue. One sign, shaped like a half-moon, would be 137 feet tall while another, shaped like a sail, would rise 547 feet. The latter, taller sign, which would require a variance, is on the back burner for now, however, having received a chilly response from planning commission staff.

The Holy Cow casino, which contained a microbrewery and a cafe, shut down in 2002, reportedly a victim of the economic slowdown at that time. More recently, it was slated for an Ivana Trump-branded condominium tower that never materialized. Johnson acquired the site from San Francisco-based Rinkai America Inc., which paid $13 million for it in 1996.

The property occupies the northeast corner of Las Vegas Boulevard and Sahara Avenue. Diagonally across the intersection is land MGM had acquired for a multibillion-dollar integrated casino resort in partnership with Kerzner International. Across Sahara is the Sahara Hotel & Casino, which is 2007 had just been taken over by SBE Entertainment Group LLC and Stockbridge Real Estate Funds. Across Las Vegas Boulevard and up two blocks is the Stratosphere, the Strip's northernmost casino.

A 547 foot tall sign for a 40 foot tall building?

justdefended
Jun 23, 2009, 12:55 AM
CityCenter website updated
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx
http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_1.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_3.jpg

http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_7.jpg

Looks like everything's coming together nicely. The side entrance to Crystals looks great. Even the fire station looks good.

mac78130
Jun 23, 2009, 2:58 AM
The Mandarin glass is going in quickly! I wonder if it will be completely enclosed by the end of this month? Also glass is being installed on the pedestrian bridge. I wonder when a new floor will be added to the Harmon. The rebar and concrete have been in place for a few weeks now... Guess they really want to make sure they don't screw up this time.
taniasews (http://www.flickr.com/photos/taniasews/3652661120/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3652661120_682823febc_b.jpg

Krases
Jun 23, 2009, 6:11 AM
So what's going to be the next property to open up on the City Center?

I forgot if the Vdara has opened yet or not. As I understand it, Aria doesn't open till around Christmas.

justdefended
Jun 23, 2009, 6:39 AM
So what's going to be the next property to open up on the City Center?

I forgot if the Vdara has opened yet or not. As I understand it, Aria doesn't open till around Christmas.

Vdara opens Oct. 1 followed by Mandarin Oriental and Crystals in Dec. and Aria on Dec. 16.

DMaldon762
Jun 23, 2009, 4:54 PM
How many floors is The Harmon at right now?

mac78130
Jun 23, 2009, 5:37 PM
How many floors is The Harmon at right now?

23 floors

mac78130
Jun 23, 2009, 6:51 PM
Fbleau sued by more subcontractors.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/23/more-subcontractors-accuse-fontainebleau-failing-p/

mac78130
Jun 23, 2009, 6:53 PM
Structure collapse at McCarran's Terminal 3

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/23/five-hurt-structure-collapse-mccarran/

Krases
Jun 24, 2009, 3:55 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/topics/water/

Did anyone know about this? A documentary about water usage in the valley. Pat Mulroy is kinda scary, but at least she seems pretty hardcore about fixinf the water problem.

mac78130
Jun 24, 2009, 5:23 PM
Hard Rock looking to fill 800 positions
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/23/thousands-turn-out-apply-jobs-hard-rock/

mac78130
Jun 24, 2009, 7:52 PM
When all the landscaping is in, it's going to look really nice ;)
flickr photo by elyse 21252 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/elyser/3647968676/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3647968676_fe7c1d9629_b.jpg

Still confused on the cladding on the Crystals. Is it silver, copper? Does it change color in the sunlight?
flickr photo by Nathan Branch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8978079@N05/3655819633/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3655819633_a01e487c82_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 26, 2009, 7:00 PM
I saw this pic on the CC website... and I'm not a huge fan of the canoes
http://www.citycenter.com/images/shared/construction/construction_10.jpg
http://www.citycenter.com/vision/vision_construction.aspx

heyyoucharlie
Jun 26, 2009, 8:06 PM
... and I'm not a huge fan of the canoes

Couldn't agree more... I know there is a lot of takcy things in vegas, but this "art" might take the cake,

Lecom
Jun 26, 2009, 9:04 PM
Uhh... a mega canoe accident? lolwut?

Krases
Jun 26, 2009, 9:38 PM
Canoesplosian!

leftopolis
Jun 26, 2009, 9:44 PM
UGH!

I've got a pretty broad spectrum when it comes to appreciating art forms--and there's some merit to art made out of junk that might've gone to the landfill...

But CC seems like niether the place for this type of art, nor does it reflect on LV in any way(to my knowledge). Is there some kind of historical context to Native Americans using canoes in the LV area? Canoes sound more like Minnesota(land of 10,000 lakes) or The Bayou swamps, not The Desert!

DrT
Jun 27, 2009, 12:11 AM
Couldn't agree more... I know there is a lot of takcy things in vegas, but this "art" might take the cake,

Yeah, belongs at the entrance to a summer camp for kids, LOL.

mac78130
Jun 27, 2009, 12:47 AM
Nice :tup:
flickr photo by darren long uk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28796071@N04/3663607858/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3663607858_553ce6f853_b.jpg

leftopolis
Jun 27, 2009, 2:50 AM
Still confused on the cladding on the Crystals. Is it silver, copper? Does it change color in the sunlight?

I dunno either...but if there is any kind of connecting theme to the various structures of CC--it would be that they all seem to have glass that changes color in the sunlight. I've noticed they all appear to take on a different coloration depending on the sky, clouds or time of day, so maybe that's the case with The Crystals, too.

colemonkee
Jun 27, 2009, 4:40 AM
Wow, that last shot of Aria looks like a rendering.

mac78130
Jun 27, 2009, 7:48 PM
That's one big guitar.
flickr photo by LeeRoy Holmes (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jojopet/3665093289/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3665093289_dff667fba3_b.jpg

leftopolis
Jun 27, 2009, 10:19 PM
Big ass clowns ... :twoguns:
Big ass guitars ... :righton:

Krases
Jun 27, 2009, 10:21 PM
Page 350! Soon we will have post number 7000!

ScottG
Jun 28, 2009, 3:11 PM
the back sign (formally one of the two bellagio signs) along the freeway is now being turned into a citycenter sign...er aria....er vdara....do they call it city center now? anyways - the sign looks like its going after a frankghery collasping look.

CHAPINM1
Jun 29, 2009, 2:19 AM
Let's get some energy back into the thread! Has construction resumed on Fontainebleau? I know they are involved in God only knows how many legal issues, but just wondering.

Zach6668
Jun 29, 2009, 2:26 AM
the back sign (formally one of the two bellagio signs) along the freeway is now being turned into a citycenter sign...er aria....er vdara....do they call it city center now? anyways - the sign looks like its going after a frankghery collasping look.

Would be interested in seeing a picture of this.

mdiederi
Jun 29, 2009, 3:41 AM
I see some wires going across between the two sides.
Photo: by srmpf Flickr.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3657922463_d7069e6b9f_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/srmpf/3657922463/sizes/l/

mac78130
Jun 29, 2009, 5:01 AM
I'm kinda disappointed with the tram stations... they look cheap.
flickr photo by ericbattin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericbattin/3650834295/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3611/3650834295_a2fd843137_b.jpg

mac78130
Jun 29, 2009, 5:03 AM
I see some wires going across between the two sides.

Wow, the arch should be complete by next month :tup:

CHAPINM1
Jun 29, 2009, 5:05 AM
Wow mac78130, your contributions and postings have really helped sustain the life and blood of this thread! Everybody else who posts does too, but these recient pictures are defintly a breath of fresh air! I REALLY want something to happen with the Harmon sooner than later, shit or get off the pot already!

justdefended
Jun 29, 2009, 5:43 AM
I'm guessing that white tarp is temporary? The previous rendering had a glass canopy:

http://library.nevada.edu/arch/aia/awa2006/ub06018_02.jpg

Bellagio station:

http://library.nevada.edu/arch/aia/awa2006/ub06018_01.jpg

mdiederi
Jun 29, 2009, 11:01 AM
I'm guessing that white tarp is temporary?
I'm guessing that white tarp was a design change.

mac78130
Jun 29, 2009, 6:00 PM
Small fire at PH Towers...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/29/construction-fire-doused-at-las-vegas-strip-resort/

mac78130
Jun 30, 2009, 12:20 AM
NOT a great pic, but it appears the tower crane at Veer East is being dismantled
flickr photo by linecook (http://www.flickr.com/photos/linecook415/3673638216/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3673638216_4a754b9c65_b.jpg

Cozybop
Jul 1, 2009, 2:14 AM
I have noticed that the crane for Harmon has starting moving again. Also I noticed that the Crystals mall will have a LED type of screen at the front. It will be located to the left of the main entrance to the mall. You can tell by the large dark area which is not a window but has TONS of black cables. I also theorize that if the Cosmopolitan is going to be finished that it will do very well in getting rooms filled because they have balconies that provide great views and sounds next to the Bellagio water fountain.

mac78130
Jul 1, 2009, 9:52 PM
The Las Vegas Sun has an article about the Harmon mishap, includes pics of the rebar.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jul/01/harmon-inspector-lacked-experience/

mac78130
Jul 1, 2009, 10:02 PM
Veer East tower crane coming down.
flickr photo by huliana90212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33005380@N00/3679041616/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3638/3679041616_e735a8cd74_b.jpg
flickr photo by huliana90212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33005380@N00/3679040556/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/3679040556_a4a5694379_b.jpg

justdefended
Jul 2, 2009, 12:42 AM
The Las Vegas Sun has an article about the Harmon mishap, includes pics of the rebar.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jul/01/harmon-inspector-lacked-experience/

What a shame. You can tell that The Harmon would have been spectacular at 40+ stories. Still, from The Strip it's hard to tell the stark contrast in height from neighbors due to the building's jutted position.

The LED on Crystals is interesting. I'm sure it won't be glaring with "$9.99 PRIME RIB" invites. Wondering what exactly they would display on it.

ShekelPop
Jul 2, 2009, 8:16 AM
UGH!

I've got a pretty broad spectrum when it comes to appreciating art forms--and there's some merit to art made out of junk that might've gone to the landfill...

But CC seems like niether the place for this type of art, nor does it reflect on LV in any way(to my knowledge). Is there some kind of historical context to Native Americans using canoes in the LV area? Canoes sound more like Minnesota(land of 10,000 lakes) or The Bayou swamps, not The Desert!

I knew the installation looked familiar, as I'd seen something similar once before in La Jolla, I checked and I'm fairly certain this is the same LA-based artist, Nancy Rubins (see http://www.mcasd.org/exhibitions/index.asp . This type of art is appropriate for a contemporary art museum overlooking the pacific, but yes, in the middle of the desert, it leaves you wondering.

CharoogAjram
Jul 2, 2009, 6:12 PM
I'm kinda disappointed with the tram stations... they look cheap.
flickr photo by ericbattin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericbattin/3650834295/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3611/3650834295_a2fd843137_b.jpg

WOW! That is a great picture. It's really nice.

Oky, I'm gunna ask a stupid question, but I think it needs to be asked.

What the hell is up with the Veer towers? Those yellow and blue squares are hideosu, and really tacky. Are they gunna keep it like dat?

leftopolis
Jul 2, 2009, 6:54 PM
I knew the installation looked familiar, as I'd seen something similar once before in La Jolla, I checked and I'm fairly certain this is the same LA-based artist, Nancy Rubins (see http://www.mcasd.org/exhibitions/index.asp). This type of art is appropriate for a contemporary art museum overlooking the pacific, but yes, in the middle of the desert, it leaves you wondering.

That link didn't work for me, but this one did(scroll down a bit, you can't miss it):
http://www.mcasd.org/exhibitions/

After seeing the pic, it struck a chord in my memory as well. I think i saw it on some PBS show--it was maybe about the history of surfing? Anyway, I agree that it totally works in that situation/environment. In fact, it's kind of reminisent of a giant tropical, colorful parrot's head, coming out of the side of the building. Sure looks like the same artist(who maybe needs to expand their horizon a bit!). Thanks for the bit of info.