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J_M_Tungsten
Nov 30, 2009, 2:41 AM
those two pics above are incredibly well shot!

heyyoucharlie
Nov 30, 2009, 2:39 PM
More talk about the New City Hall...

http://www.lvrj.com/news/ready-to-roll-the-dice-78119772.html

http://media.lvrj.com/images/4045224.jpg

http://media.lvrj.com/images/4047221.jpg

mac78130
Dec 1, 2009, 2:34 AM
flickr photo by ikrshinji
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2537/4146861893_74420b3d03_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/20379838@N07/4146861893/)

mac78130
Dec 1, 2009, 3:55 AM
:banana: :banana: :banana:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Vdara-brings-CityCenter-into-operation-mode-78190872.html

http://media.lvrj.com/images/vdara_opening_23_113009.jpg

ScottG
Dec 1, 2009, 4:21 AM
from vegastripping.com:


November 30, 2009
Quickies: Binion's Hotel to Close ; Harrah's Moving Closer to Planet Hollywood ; LVS Macau IPO
Posted by Hunter |

Three interesting stories breaking this morning:

Binion's to Close Hotel Tower - the legendary Downtown hotel has announced they will be closing the hotel tower and restaurant facilities as a result of the bad economy:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/Binions-to-close-hotel-tower-lay-off-100-workers-78149717.html

Harrah's Entertainment, who have been buying Planet Hollywood debt, is taking the process to the next step - Nevada gaming regulators:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Harrahs-moves-to-acquire-Planet-Hollywood-78146292.html

Las Vegas Sands raised $5 billion in an IPO for their Macanese operations:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/LV-Sands-raises-5-billion-announces-timeline-for-Macau-construction-restart-78127742.html

mac78130
Dec 1, 2009, 4:50 AM
:previous: That's from ratevegas.com :previous:

mac78130
Dec 1, 2009, 6:47 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/30/las-vegas-citycenter-and-_n_373608.html

High Limit Slots
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/3837/slide_3837_54198_large.jpg

Entry way
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/3837/slide_3837_54199_large.jpg

Lobby
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/3837/slide_3837_54206_large.jpg

Sports Book
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/3837/slide_3837_54207_large.jpg

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Aria-Hotel-and-Casino/ss/events/tr/113009ariahotel;_ylt=Ak0fg4pY2dLnl8mrOVyOD3utQLN_;_ylu=X3oDMTFlcWFuNHZ0BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN5bl9yXzNzbG90X3NsaWRlc2hvdwRzbGsDc2xpLWV2LWxpbms-
Poker Room
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091130/capt.41efd1175c8144a6acbfe9060801ccf7.las_vegas_citycenter_nvlr105.jpg?x=400&y=267&q=85&sig=mT4RlnKRt_evs9Gjm9j8Sg--

justdefended
Dec 1, 2009, 7:32 AM
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Vdara-brings-CityCenter-into-operation-mode-78190872.html

Details and new photos of the Vdara lobby and Silk Road. :)

http://media.lvrj.com/images/vdara_opening_23_113009.jpg

http://media.lvrj.com/images/vdara_opening_2_113009.jpg

mac78130
Dec 1, 2009, 7:40 AM
:previous: I already posted this, scroll up ;) :previous:

DracoCaifan
Dec 1, 2009, 2:26 PM
Is it open already?

justdefended
Dec 1, 2009, 5:30 PM
:previous: I already posted this, scroll up ;) :previous:

Doh!

In other news, Vdara is officially open (for a VIP preview). Guests will be able stay starting Dec. 2.

Get a Look Inside CityCenter's Vdara Hotel

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11598540

Inside Vdara, CityCenter's all-suite hotel

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=11598207

The RFID Key Cards and Touch-screen Silk Road Menu are pretty awesome!

mac78130
Dec 2, 2009, 12:24 AM
My fav pics of Vdara

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4045199&id=16893053141#/photo.php?pid=4045199&id=16893053141&fbid=210338113141
Silk Road
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs058.snc3/14531_210338153141_16893053141_4045202_6046866_n.jpg

Lobby
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs058.snc3/14531_210338123141_16893053141_4045200_6265578_n.jpg

mac78130
Dec 2, 2009, 12:38 AM
Be sure to visit VegasRex for more Vdara photos

http://www.vegasrex.com/2009/12/01/city-center-opening-live/

ondarox
Dec 2, 2009, 1:05 AM
According to the Monte Carlo Facebook Fan Page, the tram between MC and Bellagio (Through the Crystals @ CityCenter) opened at 5PM... about 5 minutes ago!

http://www.facebook.com/MonteCarloLasVegas

justdefended
Dec 2, 2009, 1:31 AM
My fav pics of Vdara

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4045199&id=16893053141#/photo.php?pid=4045199&id=16893053141&fbid=210338113141
Silk Road
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs058.snc3/14531_210338153141_16893053141_4045202_6046866_n.jpg

Lobby
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs058.snc3/14531_210338123141_16893053141_4045200_6265578_n.jpg

I am with you on this. I REALLY like Silk Road - so eclectic and unconventional. The entire property looks awesome to me.

mac78130
Dec 2, 2009, 1:11 PM
More interior pics here http://www.lvrj.com/news/citycenter-wow-inspiring-78301617.html

Crystals
http://media.lvrj.com/images/4039057.jpg

Casino
http://media.lvrj.com/images/4039040.jpg

mac78130
Dec 2, 2009, 1:35 PM
More Vdara and Citycenter pics:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pocheco/sets/72157622916455518/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alex-martinez/


Good View of Aria's Casino in this set
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28955329@N06/sets/72157606361313727/

justdefended
Dec 3, 2009, 1:25 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/4150182925_dde9951d09.jpg

I was a bit apprehensive about the casino after reading impressions of it being small and too dark. If this is a representation of the casino then I have to say that I have no doubt that what I read was off base.

Comparing this to M Resort or Mirage isn't accurate. The Aria casino does use dark woods but the wave of lumber on the ceiling, the overhead light filtered through leaf stencil and blue hues on the wall make it indefinitely more attractive. The whole environment looks nature-inspired but with a hip, luxurious and warm vibe.

M Resort and Mirage utilize a lot of brown, but the orange-brown chandeliers at M and the lack of any color other than brown at Mirage make their style a bit more bland. According to the photograph, the casino is pretty well lit with all the spotlights.

Am liking what I see so far. Can't wait to check the whole thing out.

metroXpress
Dec 3, 2009, 2:44 AM
Stunning photos there, thanks.

Krases
Dec 3, 2009, 3:07 AM
I was a bit apprehensive about the casino after reading impressions of it being small and too dark. If this is a representation of the casino then I have to say that I have no doubt that what I read was off base.


I remember hearing a report saying that people actually like a dark, more confined environment for gambling. It sort of feeds off that early-human want for a cave like environment. It is also nice when people feel like they have their backs to something or can focus heavily on the game without worry of being taken by surprise.

justdefended
Dec 3, 2009, 6:26 AM
I remember hearing a report saying that people actually like a dark, more confined environment for gambling. It sort of feeds off that early-human want for a cave like environment. It is also nice when people feel like they have their backs to something or can focus heavily on the game without worry of being taken by surprise.

I bet that's true. Pretty certain that in addition to nice fixtures the casino team had to retain all the casino psychology - no clocks, busy carpet around slots to keep eyes straight ahead. The networked slot machines will be a bit scary - they will get A LOT of info from that.

mac78130
Dec 3, 2009, 3:02 PM
The Crystals Retail opens today..

http://www.lvrj.com/business/bigger-bolder-luxury-78400282.html
http://media.lvrj.com/images/4056901.jpg

mac78130
Dec 4, 2009, 3:13 AM
I knew only a few stores would open today, but man it looks really empty.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/03/citycenter-unveils-crystals-retail-district-today/

http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/12/03/20091203_crystals13_t651.jpg?f88c8649bbadbb805ebb7b1c2020cc5b10765421

Bob Lablaw
Dec 4, 2009, 3:29 AM
Perhaps it's just me, and in all fairness I've seen just a few interior pics of The Crystals...but I am distinctly underwhelmed by it. It looks cold and sterile, and very very bland. Perhaps it's the sheer whiteness of the walls, I guess, that throws me off. There are lots of edgy angles and curves, but it's not too hard to find something similar in any large metro surburb.

The Forum Shops, by contrast, always seem alive, and it's not just because of the crowds. Just about every architectural aspect of the Forum Shops is interesting to look at, whereas this place (based on what little I've seen thus far) may hold my interest for perhaps one trip, if that. :shrug:

mac78130
Dec 4, 2009, 4:01 AM
Louis Vuitton Light show

wfTGSeNMJrc

mac78130
Dec 4, 2009, 4:34 AM
Low quality pics of Mandarin.. Hopefully better pics will come out tomorrow.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/hotels/first-look-mandarin-oriental-las-vegas-18666

CharoogAjram
Dec 4, 2009, 4:53 AM
Louis Vuitton Light show

wfTGSeNMJrc

That's really cool! Deff. brings some life to the Crystals.

mdiederi
Dec 4, 2009, 4:55 AM
Never mind.

justdefended
Dec 4, 2009, 5:25 AM
I knew only a few stores would open today, but man it looks really empty.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/03/citycenter-unveils-crystals-retail-district-today/

http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2009/12/03/20091203_crystals13_t651.jpg?f88c8649bbadbb805ebb7b1c2020cc5b10765421

Heard about 40 percent is open now. But all the retail spaces are occupied and will be fully open by July.

Heading there tomorrow to check it out.

mac78130
Dec 4, 2009, 2:16 PM
Doesn't look like all the rooms are ready. MO will only have 75 rooms open this weekend.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/mandarin-oriental-brings-amenities-people-willing-to-pay-for-78503087.html

Tea Lounge
http://media.lvrj.com/images/4059068.jpg

heyyoucharlie
Dec 4, 2009, 3:24 PM
Some is better then none...:tup:

mac78130
Dec 4, 2009, 5:26 PM
Mandarin Oriental Sneak Peak

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Rothwell
Dec 4, 2009, 6:34 PM
Vegas keeps getting better and better

Incredible

LosAngelesSportsFan
Dec 4, 2009, 7:16 PM
Perhaps it's just me, and in all fairness I've seen just a few interior pics of The Crystals...but I am distinctly underwhelmed by it. It looks cold and sterile, and very very bland. Perhaps it's the sheer whiteness of the walls, I guess, that throws me off. There are lots of edgy angles and curves, but it's not too hard to find something similar in any large metro surburb.

The Forum Shops, by contrast, always seem alive, and it's not just because of the crowds. Just about every architectural aspect of the Forum Shops is interesting to look at, whereas this place (based on what little I've seen thus far) may hold my interest for perhaps one trip, if that. :shrug:

youre exactly right, and ill check it out in person next weekend, but doesnt look too exciting right now.

ScottG
Dec 4, 2009, 7:43 PM
i went to the pre opening viewing and i am relieved to hear others are agreeing with me.

i was COMPLETELY unimpressed with the crystals, it is actually surprisingly SMALL!

sure only 10 stores where open, and there were no people, but there is nothing there, the white walls are bland, its empty! i dojnt understand why they opened it, why would people want to walk around an empty space?!

i even think when fully operational it will still be unimpressive and small - it is tall tho - its three floors (well two and a half) and you almost get a little vertigo because nothing is horizontal or vertical.

i walked from monte carlo and took the pedestrian walkway towards the porte cochere, and man did i get blow away - it was a little hard to walk with all the towers pushing you down! it was really disorientating having such tall building encapsulating you! i had to look away for a bit to walk normal - looking up and around at the size of it all really makes you dizzy.

- when i left i took the tram back to MC and that was neat going over the main drive way which is HUGE! the fountain is a nice centerpeice - the lights that beam on it are so strong that it really does glow the entire porte cochere aria tower, and even the monte carlo tower!

i was more impressed with the walkway getting off the tram at monte carlo than i was with the crystals,

i went to the 'urban park' (tiny) and looked into the registration desk / casino of aria and that looked awesome! the silver river above the desks is tso big and amazing - i think aria will be great! i was a little taken back when looking at pictures, but seeing it in person blew me away.

crystals tho is a dud - its nice on the exterior but offers nothing inside. and i dont think its because there are no stores open, its just... a miss.

glowrock
Dec 4, 2009, 9:55 PM
What you guys are describing with The Crystals seems very similar to most people's reactions to Daniel Libeskind's architecture. Somewhat dizzying, vertigo-inducing due to the sharp angles and lack of right-angles, and of course the white walls. His Denver Art Museum building addition is very similar in design to The Crystals, just taller (4 floors, very, very TALL floors!) and not quite as long. However, of course the white walls of the art museum are taken up by artwork, which tends to subdue the starkness substantially.

Honestly, I much prefer the look of the Forum Shops, even the Miracle Mile Shops to the photos I've seen of The Crystals. However, that being said, Aria, Vdara, etc., look amazing!

Aaron (Glowrock)

BuildemBig
Dec 4, 2009, 11:32 PM
With most malls the varied store fronts are what break up the space and bring life to the building. The majority of the walls will end up being stores resolving the expanses of white.

justdefended
Dec 5, 2009, 12:11 AM
Okay, got a chance to check out Crystals, the CityCenter Tram, and Vdara.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/4159105320_c2bafb8e23_o.jpg

Crystals I liked A LOT. The space is gorgeous and the upscale nature of the stores in addition to the architecture really brings out an international feel that doesn't exist in themed shopping centers. Soaring cielings, natural light, eye-catching WET features. The layout is easy (basically a winding road towards Aria), but I liked that there were little shops and stores that are in every nook and cranny.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4159105294_f0c7b8d1cf.jpg

For example, World News Kaffee - The Cup is a small quick serve deli that is the first thing you see when you enter Crystals valet. However, you wouldn't even know it was there if you came from anywhere else. The venue in particular had a great metropolitan feel - workers were coming in to grab sandwiches, all the dining tables were occupied, great place.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/4159170264_7f23996396.jpg

I could also start to see how people are beginning to take everything in. Visitors are already taking pics by the WET water tornado piece and the impressive tree house.

Louis Vuitton and Tiffany Co. looked like the most popular venues in Crystals.

Overall, it's miscalculated to judge a retail space that is 40 percent occupied. But I really liked that it reminded me of an international space that could be found in Tokyo or Hong Kong.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2780/4158342015_a4488e8956.jpg

Between Crystals and Aria is the Henry Moore Reclining Forms sculpture. It's pretty magnificent, as is the space where you look around and it feels like you're in a metropolis.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2543/4159105380_4a756a3a61.jpg

From Bellagio I took the walkway to Vdara. The walk is nice, partially underneath the Tram and finally into a well-done hallway into the property.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2575/4159194888_005b303511.jpg

Quick pic of the pool deck. Pretty large, will likely be a hot night spot.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2549/4158342161_9ee25cc303.jpg

Afterward headed into Silk Road.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2677/4159105414_1335af8d6d.jpg

For a small space, it is definitely eye-catching.

This was the view from my seat - so cool.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2614/4159105498_9c2b1ff1c3.jpg

Had the lamb and lettuce cups and fries. Not bad. The fries were better than the lamb. Service was excellent.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2496/4159105520_77fff83792.jpg

Overally, Vdara is very slick. A suit and tie boutique hotel that will be a big hit among business travelers. Bar Vdara has a lot of couches and chairs to lounge, mingle, and Silk Road is versatile for a quick breakfast or a night of celebration.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2585/4159105396_ca97a45122.jpg

Next it was off to ride the CC Tram.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2540/4159105552_f4657c0886_o.jpg

Pretty nicely done. I would have liked the original design as opposed to the tent but oh well.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2494/4159105636_720d65ccf8.jpg

There are some touches to coincide with the city theme, like a electronic screen to tell you when the next tram is coming and an announcer that tells you the next station. The tram itself holds seperate cabs with plush seats on each end. My main disappointment was that the ride was like a typical cable tram - kind of bumpy.

Overall, the partial CityCenter experience was thoroughly gratifying. The spaces literally transport you into another dimension. The spectacle, the show really is the attention to detail, approach in design, and futuristic city model that surrounds you with art and architecture. People seemed to enjoy taking in everything, looking at all the huge buildings, and taking scenic photos. It's a project that will definitely attract a new clientele to Vegas and expand a market that provides anything and everything to travelers.

justdefended
Dec 5, 2009, 6:09 PM
New article on CityCenter reception:

http://www.lvrj.com/business/visitors-give-mgm-mirages-new-megacomplex-mostly-favorable-reviews-78588102.html

cbotnyse
Dec 5, 2009, 6:35 PM
for those of you following this project closely, I'm hoping you can help me out.

I am staying at Vadara next weekend. What are my dining options in the complex. I ask because I know Aria doesnt open until the following week, and most of the dining options seem to be in there.

thanks!

justdefended
Dec 5, 2009, 7:19 PM
for those of you following this project closely, I'm hoping you can help me out.

I am staying at Vadara next weekend. What are my dining options in the complex. I ask because I know Aria doesnt open until the following week, and most of the dining options seem to be in there.

thanks!

Silk Road is the signature restaurant inside Vdara. It is open for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

The Cup inside Crystals is open. It's a quick serve deli spot.

Unfortunately, the new Wolfgang Puck restaurants in Crystals won't open until Dec. 16. Otherwise, Vdara is connected to Bellagio, which has a large array of dining options.

mac78130
Dec 5, 2009, 11:29 PM
CityCenter Sustainability

"A non-smoking pathway in the ARIA casino allows guests to walk from the registration lobby to the elevator bank with no exposure to tobacco smoke. This pathway is clearly marked, and non-smoking slot machines and gaming tables on each side of the pathway create a 20-foot buffer."

http://www2.citycenter.com/environment/wellness/

solarquestion
Dec 6, 2009, 3:52 AM
for those of you following this project closely, I'm hoping you can help me out.

I am staying at Vadara next weekend. What are my dining options in the complex. I ask because I know Aria doesnt open until the following week, and most of the dining options seem to be in there.

thanks!

Also... as far as I know Twist, MOzen Bistro and Amore Patisserie at Mandarin Oriental are open for business. Beso is also open inside Crystals. Vdara does have great access to Bellagio though and their restaurants give any place in town a run for their money.

mac78130
Dec 6, 2009, 9:47 AM
The tram's blue tint really obscures the views.

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Krases
Dec 7, 2009, 4:09 AM
I guess another bidder may enter the bidding war for FB.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/05/another-potential-buyer-emerges-fontainebleau/

I have seen some of their other plans before. I guess they want to target military personnel and veterans. Honestly seems a bit odd to me.

CHAPINM1
Dec 7, 2009, 4:19 AM
I guess another bidder may enter the bidding war for FB.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/05/another-potential-buyer-emerges-fontainebleau/

I have seen some of their other plans before. I guess they want to target military personnel and veterans. Honestly seems a bit odd to me.

This is great news though! It's going to show that demand and competition are picking up again!

VegasMatt
Dec 7, 2009, 6:28 PM
I went to citycenter this weekend to poke around. It was all pretty fun. However, if your going, you should be aware that Mandarin Oriental has a dress code. They won't even let you in the doors unless you are wearing proper attire. My wife and I were stopped at the doors. We weren't dressed poorly, just not dressed up. I was wearing leather shoes, blue jeans and a dress shirt. I'm looking forward to going there agian when Aria opens.

cbotnyse
Dec 7, 2009, 6:50 PM
I went to citycenter this weekend to poke around. It was all pretty fun. However, if your going, you should be aware that Mandarin Oriental has a dress code. They won't even let you in the doors unless you are wearing proper attire. My wife and I were stopped at the doors. We weren't dressed poorly, just not dressed up. I was wearing leather shoes, blue jeans and a dress shirt. I'm looking forward to going there agian when Aria opens.that wasnt acceptable??? so basically no jeans allowed in the whole place? that seems ridiculous.

VegasTroy
Dec 7, 2009, 8:04 PM
Wondering if anybody has walked over the Harmon overpass to access City Center?

Krases
Dec 8, 2009, 12:51 AM
that wasnt acceptable??? so basically no jeans allowed in the whole place? that seems ridiculous.

Not really. People always used to dress up when going to the casino's. If an upscale Casino wants that, then they should be allowed to do it. They are trying to appeal to a slightly different clientele.

cbotnyse
Dec 8, 2009, 2:32 AM
Not really. People always used to dress up when going to the casino's. If an upscale Casino wants that, then they should be allowed to do it. They are trying to appeal to a slightly different clientele.It is ridiculous considering I cant think of another casino on the strip that currently employs such a dress code. A nice pair of designer jeans, collared shirt and dress shoes is acceptable wear anywhere these days. I think that policy will quickly change when some billionaire whale wants to visit wearing a nice pair of jeans.

No hats, gym shoes, or ripped jeans, fine. But I shouldnt have to put on a pair of black pants or a suit just to go there. that is retarded.

justdefended
Dec 8, 2009, 3:22 AM
LED Light Test at Veer East and West.

http://i49.tinypic.com/23mlw1z.jpg

Photo by: cinevegas

mdiederi
Dec 8, 2009, 4:09 AM
It is ridiculous considering I cant think of another casino on the strip that currently employs such a dress code.
MO doesn't have a casino.

Zorak
Dec 8, 2009, 5:06 AM
It is ridiculous considering I cant think of another casino on the strip that currently employs such a dress code. A nice pair of designer jeans, collared shirt and dress shoes is acceptable wear anywhere these days. I think that policy will quickly change when some billionaire whale wants to visit wearing a nice pair of jeans.

No hats, gym shoes, or ripped jeans, fine. But I shouldnt have to put on a pair of black pants or a suit just to go there. that is retarded.

I remember Bellagio had a business casual dress code when it first opened but that didn't last very long. Also, I don't know if you'd call it a dress code but Wynn had a policy of no strollers on the premises. I don't think that is enforced any longer although I believe the signs are still posted at the entrances.

mac78130
Dec 8, 2009, 11:08 AM
VT&T has been updated.. welcome back Mr. Adams

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/citycenter.htm#const

cbotnyse
Dec 8, 2009, 1:06 PM
MO doesn't have a casino.:haha: well thats interesting. I will be testing this dress code this weekend! :yes:

VegasMatt
Dec 8, 2009, 6:15 PM
:haha: well thats interesting. I will be testing this dress code this weekend! :yes:


Good luck!

I though it was a little odd myself. The guard did tell me it was my blue jeans that prevented me access.

I stayed at the MO in Honalulu and they had no such dress code.

I'll be surprised if dress code thing is still around six months. It'll be hard to keep tourists out of shorts when the 110 temps start hitting.

It's also too bad because I always felt one of the thing that made Vegas kinda cool and unusual, was the fact you could show up for fine dinning in shorts and a t-shirt. I never did, but I liked that the option was available. I felt it kept the city unpretentious.

Anyhow, like someone said, the MO is going for a different type of clientele.
Oh well.

justdefended
Dec 8, 2009, 6:39 PM
Things lookin up for CityCenter:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34327762

ScottG
Dec 8, 2009, 10:24 PM
I remember Bellagio had a business casual dress code when it first opened but that didn't last very long. Also, I don't know if you'd call it a dress code but Wynn had a policy of no strollers on the premises. I don't think that is enforced any longer although I believe the signs are still posted at the entrances.

bellagio and wynn still inforce the no stoller policy - butonly for non-guests.

also when bellagio first opened no one under the age of 18 was allowed on property what so ever - this only lasted a couple months tho (weeks maybe)

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2009, 1:41 AM
There are dress codes at many restaurants in Las Vegas resorts, usually what they call "casual business attire", and some of the ritzier restaurants, like Alex at Wynn, say "no casual attire, jackets suggested".
http://www.wynnlasvegas.com/#dining/alex/

heyyoucharlie
Dec 9, 2009, 8:56 AM
Also, being the VIP week/weekend, I wonder if it was because of the VIP atmosphere they were trying to set for the opening... A dress code just to enter a building will never survive in the tempature extreems that vegas goes through.

leftopolis
Dec 9, 2009, 12:42 PM
I guess another bidder may enter the bidding war for FB.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/05/another-potential-buyer-emerges-fontainebleau/

I have seen some of their other plans before. I guess they want to target military personnel and veterans. Honestly seems a bit odd to me.

Good find...However, these guys sounds very un-serious--in the "competent business people/investors" sort of way. Frankly, the only thing keeping them from being laughed at is the patriotic, "we support the troops" mentality. Unfortunately, it's a lame idea to focus a giant-ass LV Strip resort--just for veterans. Just a wild guess on the figures, but they'd be shutting out 80-90% of foot traffic, for starters. Worse yet, they're using patriotism in an attempt to pull off a con.

cbotnyse
Dec 9, 2009, 2:49 PM
There are dress codes at many restaurants in Las Vegas resorts, usually what they call "casual business attire", and some of the ritzier restaurants, like Alex at Wynn, say "no casual attire, jackets suggested".
http://www.wynnlasvegas.com/#dining/alex/sure thats certainly understandable, but the poster said he couldnt even get in the building! But if MO has no casino, then I can see a strict dress code, but not just to walk around the lobby and explore (especially with my camera). I cant wait to get there and check it out! (I'll be staying at Varada this weekend)

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2009, 4:44 PM
sure thats certainly understandable, but the poster said he couldnt even get in the building!
I was responding to someone else.
I always felt one of the thing that made Vegas kinda cool and unusual, was the fact you could show up for fine dinning in shorts and a t-shirt.

mac78130
Dec 9, 2009, 5:06 PM
CityCenter's 5 new creations by WET Design: Lumia, Focus, Latisse, Glacia and Halo.

http://www.4-traders.com/MGM-MIRAGE-13513/news/MGM-MIRAGE-WET-Revolutionizes-Las-Vegas-13287906/

mdiederi
Dec 9, 2009, 5:28 PM
Just over a year and a half ago Station Casinos announced that the site of the Wild Wild West casino on the corner of Tropicana and Dean Martin would be developed into an ambitious super maga resort project called Viva Las Vegas, and rival CityCenter in size. Well, today they have announced that the Wild Wild West will be rebranded as a Days Inn. So much for ambition.

justdefended
Dec 9, 2009, 6:36 PM
Good news for condo buyers:

CityCenter Selects PennyMac as a Lending Resource for Residential Buyers and Introduces a Seller Financing Program

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/citycenter-selects-pennymac-as-a-lending-resource-for-residential-buyers-and-introduces-a-seller-financing-program-78861297.html

mac78130
Dec 9, 2009, 10:03 PM
ARIA's new website

http://www.arialasvegas.com/

ScottG
Dec 10, 2009, 2:38 AM
houston, we may have a problem....


driving home from work i took lv blvd (i know its not a commuters route - but i was just curious how the front of city center was coming along)


well, i spent about 10 minutes driving along the front of city center (traffic) and i witnessed two separate parties walking over and across the landscape barrier to jay walk over las vegas blvd - looks like people do not want to shlep up and over the pedestrian bridges as they are inset into the city center propery and might just be easier to risk the walk across the street instead (hey its the tourist mentality)

ALSO, there were only about 20 people walking along the crystals sidewalk - (maybe they were all inside?) across the street tho there was the normal pedestrian traffic....

maybe people still think that side is unwalkable, maybe people get absorbed into the building instead of along it - maybe there needs to be access to the pedestrian bridges closer to the sidewalk.

or maybe tourists' depth perception gets thrown off because of the size of city center and cant distinguish between the distance from across the street compared to where the (tall) ped. bridges are......

time will tell if they need to put higher walls along the sidewalk so people arent climbing up and over the landscape. < classy

mac78130
Dec 10, 2009, 10:09 AM
Came across a few Cosmopolitan Night club renderings a while back, forgot to post them here..

http://www.moodesign.net/apps/photos/album?albumid=3000324

http://www.moodesign.net/%20Night%20club%20-%20Cosmopoli%20/Cosmopolitan%20Night%20Club%20Stairs%20OK.jpg

CosmoVegas
Dec 10, 2009, 4:52 PM
Is anyone else starting to get a feeling that citycenter may not end up being as big of a deal as mgm had hoped? Just browsing through other message boards and news articles I found a couple of kind of interesting points. The second link is just someone on a message board, but his numbers do look close to correct. Any thoughts?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/cash_poor_in_las_vegas_Zmolv0mFjKaED4yu9GCiVM

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=11604&tid=97106&mid=97108&tof=1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1

mdiederi
Dec 10, 2009, 5:40 PM
Any thoughts?
Seems logical. Sometime in just a few months Harrah's or Carl Icahn will probably start buying the debt for pennies on the dollar and take the place over in bankruptcy. That's the only outcome I can see at this point. There is no possible way CityCenter will make enough money to cover the debt payments they owe in 2010. They can try to take CityCenter public, but the offering probably won't attract enough investors because of the massive debt. I'm estimating that they have to make about three million dollars a day just to pay the interest on the debt, which doesn't leave much room for operating expenses, and you can totally forget about any profit.

justdefended
Dec 10, 2009, 10:08 PM
Is anyone else starting to get a feeling that citycenter may not end up being as big of a deal as mgm had hoped? Just browsing through other message boards and news articles I found a couple of kind of interesting points. The second link is just someone on a message board, but his numbers do look close to correct. Any thoughts?

CityCenter will not file for bankruptcy.

What the NY Post didn't attempt to research is that the $1.8 billion secured for CityCenter is a $1.8 billion credit facility that doesn't mature until April 2012 with certain financial covenants modified to provide CityCenter with flexibility in the first 18 months of operations.

Why would a consortium of banks lend $1.8 billion and expect to see short term results? This is a long-term investment not only for CityCenter but for the city of Las Vegas. To lend to a project of this scale only to place the borrower in a position of default would be absurd in the current economic climate.

MGM said this month that it doesn't expect the need to sell any more properties like the TI transaction. But if it was in dire need of cash, there are plenty of high-profile properties and land assets to sell off to reach certain short-term commitments. Also, Murren told Bloomberg this week that CityCenter is inoculated against any default by its owners, and future borrowings would be based on the project's credit rating and projected cash flow.

The Dubai debt situation doesn't affect CityCenter - it's fully funded. However, Dubai may be required to liquidate assets in order to pay creditors. That could involve their share of CityCenter, which would only benefit MGM Mirage.

The NY Post article attempted to lump Dubai's debt situation with an incorrect assessment of loan terms regarding CityCenter, not to mention not including cash flow generated from other MGM Mirage properties that could offset debt commitments.

Krases
Dec 11, 2009, 5:41 AM
Exactly. MGM has a lot of assets that it would be willing to part with to stay afloat. Not just casino's, but empty plots of strip front property.

VTAT has a map (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/monopoly.htm) of MGM's properties here in the valley.

mac78130
Dec 11, 2009, 6:41 AM
CityCenter opens new fire station

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/10/county-opens-new-fire-station-citycenter/

mac78130
Dec 11, 2009, 12:35 PM
flickr photo by So Cal Metro
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4175867602_ab642e2084_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/southerncalifornian/4175867602/)

cbotnyse
Dec 11, 2009, 2:42 PM
I'm off to City Center! I have my camera and tripod packed. Expect lots of pics on Monday! :banana: :banana: :banana:

ScottG
Dec 11, 2009, 7:42 PM
interesting viewpoint on CC:
http://www.casinoguide.com/blogs/lifeinvegas/blog/the-strip/so-much-for-optimism/

I feel like the honeymoon is over before it’s even started.

’ve been trying to cheerlead my ass off, but I have to face facts. I’m a lousy cheerleader.

Yay, Vdara’s open!
Yay, Crystals is open!
Yay, Mandarin Oriental is open!

Now what?

Aria.

Then what?

I … Don’t … Know.

What in the hell does Las Vegas need with two goddamn non-gaming hotels? Didn’t Trump already try that? Despite the size of the property, it’s still going to have one, single, solitary casino. Oh stop the presses, Vegas is getting a casino.

Reality is starting to rear its ugly head. We are now one week removed from City Center’s official open, and I have yet to go back. I haven’t wanted to do so. There is nothing to do there except shop for diamonds, and ride a tram.


Granted, they don’t have a casino yet, but for christ’s sake, there are already 200 casinos in the Las Vegas Valley. Pick a game, any game, and I can go and play it right now. Are tourists really hoarding their gambling cash so that they can run em-masse and drop it at a table in Aria?

How much better can it really be than Planet Hollywood across the street? What criteria would Aria have to meet for the Vegas gambler to call it the greatest casino ever built?

I almost don’t want it to open because deep down I know that it’s written a check that it simply can’t cash. I fear that everyone likes the idea of City Center more than they will like City Center itself.

_ttam_
Dec 11, 2009, 10:27 PM
.... Despite the size of the property, it’s still going to have one, single, solitary casino. Oh stop the presses, Vegas is getting a casino.

Reality is starting to rear its ugly head. We are now one week removed from City Center’s official open, and I have yet to go back. I haven’t wanted to do so. There is nothing to do there except shop for diamonds, and ride a tram. ....

City Center will be connected by tram to 3 MGM casinos. The beauty is 2 of them have already been built! Monte Carlo and Bellagio.

Complex01
Dec 11, 2009, 10:55 PM
Great pic from up above. Fancy...

Snotick
Dec 12, 2009, 5:55 PM
I must admit. I am not terribly excited about the opening of CC. It's probably because I am a gambler. I look at CC and say, what does it have for me? Buried somewhere on that property is a Casino. I know this project started before the downturn in the economy, but Vegas has changed. Guys like me are still going to Vegas for the Poker, the Sportsbooks, and the Slots. You only need to look around at the number of night clubs and such that have closed. They catered to an over indulgent consumer that is now broke, and trying to make his mortgage payment.
I am reminded of the James Earl Jones line in the Field of Dreams movie. You just need to replace the word baseball with gambling.

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been Gambling. Vegas has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But gambling has marked the time. These Casinos, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again."

Take care of the gamblers and the rest will take care of itself.

ScottG
Dec 12, 2009, 6:44 PM
^^^well said^^^

cbotnyse
Dec 14, 2009, 3:18 AM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/DSC_0064.jpg


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/DSC_0058-1.jpg


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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/DSC_0186-1.jpg

mac78130
Dec 14, 2009, 3:50 AM
Nice Photos:tup:

cbotnyse
Dec 14, 2009, 1:49 PM
thanks. here are the rest of my pics from the weekend.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4606528#post4606528

I did not make it over to Mandarin to test the dress code. I would have to say CC is neither pedestrian or car friendly! (confusing ramps and such). but once Aria open, that should help. Crystals is cool, but lots of dead space made it feel very empty. Vadara is very conveniently connected to Bellagio.

And what the hell is up with Cosmopolitan??? I cant believe that development didnt sell out and open in lighting speed. Half the place has a freaking perfect view of the Bellagio fountains, and the balconies are enormous. I would stay there everytime. It is the perfect location and size, IMO. what the hell happened there? it really mucks up that entire (very central) location.

ScottG
Dec 14, 2009, 5:59 PM
[vegas] rex said it best - city center wanted to be 'urban' but forgot was it meant to be 'urban' - DENSITY does not constitute urbanism - pedestrian friendly is the key factor - i.e. street side activity (sidewalk stores, restaurants etc.) city center has neither - the mall out front is suburban - image walking from the strip up to aria...either you walk on the sidewalk along tall towers and concrete walls or you venture thru an nontraditional looking traditional mall.

and of course - upon your arrive you are greeted with yet another casino that while may be eye-candy - offers everything the casino at your own hotel offers........

i must admit - when it comes down to it, city center is just a large version of the same thing -

there is no innovation at all.

being in the architecture industry myself, with the awe of scope aside, i am sadly disappointed

city center is nice - but its effect will be no different than any other property

Snotick
Dec 14, 2009, 9:02 PM
Maybe things will change when I finally get to see CC finished. But the main difference I see between CC and other properties is the fact that CC's most awe inspiring feature is its shear size. And the best view of it is perhaps from somewhere other than CC. By comparison, Bellagio's fountains are something that everyone sees as they are on Bellagios grounds, or the canals at the Venetian.

solarquestion
Dec 15, 2009, 5:48 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/14/inside-aria-glimpse-heart-citycenter/

To me, from those photos, Aria is not the same as anything else in Vegas.

justdefended
Dec 15, 2009, 5:43 PM
Aria is the new flagship property for MGM Mirage so I think we'll see some great service, accommodations, and dining. I'm glad it will be a departure in design and feel from any current property. The point of Vegas is to provide something for everyone and this, along with CityCenter creates another experience for the visitor.

Heading to the grand opening tomorrow.

tumbleweed
Dec 15, 2009, 6:56 PM
Anyone have any recent pics of Echelon showing these wraps?? I assume the tower cranes are finally gone too?


http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2009/12/14/news/iq_32995083.txt

'Seeing the growing demand for protective wrapping for stalled housing and commercial developments, Harris invested $40,000 to open the Fast Wrap Las Vegas franchise in February. He has already generated revenues of between $130,000 to $140,000, including at least $40,000 to wrap portions of Boyd Gaming Corp.'s stalled Echelon resort earlier this year.

Boyd halted construction of the $4.8 billion project in August 2008. Many lost work and revenue as a result of the decision to mothball Echelon, but it ultimately meant big business for Harris' Fast Wrap.

"If Echelon hadn't shut down, I wouldn't have wrapped it," he said. "The recession has actually helped us."

Fast Wrap didn't cover all of the ill-timed megaresort, but enough to make it worth Harris' time. That, combined with other major projects such as one for energy company Calpine Corp. and for the city of Henderson, has allowed Fast Wrap to add employees at a time when others are laying people off.'

justdefended
Dec 15, 2009, 8:01 PM
Dark casino? Nah. A full shot of natural light here:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hpj66g.jpg

Photo by: Vegas Bill

texas_ag
Dec 16, 2009, 4:03 AM
Thought I'd share a bit of interesting news.

I was aware that Harrah's had been buying out some of Planet Holllywood's debt, but thought nothing was finalized as far as a takeover.

I just got off the phone after contacting PH about problems accessing my online account. The lady helping me said that the IT system was currently down because it was being switched over because of them being taken over by Harrah's.

ScottG
Dec 16, 2009, 4:34 AM
apparently - the saharah has closed two of its three hotel towers (as well as its buffet) for the same reason why binions is closing (did you know?): low business.

seems like golden nuggets new tower and city center is knocking the older hotels into the gutter.

glowrock
Dec 16, 2009, 4:40 AM
apparently - the saharah has closed two of its three hotel towers (as well as its buffet) for the same reason why binions is closing (did you know?): low business.

seems like golden nuggets new tower and city center is knocking the older hotels into the gutter.

Still waiting for Circus Circus and the Tropicana to get demolished... :)

Aaron (Glowrock)

voice of reason
Dec 16, 2009, 7:06 AM
thanks. here are the rest of my pics from the weekend.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4606528#post4606528


And what the hell is up with Cosmopolitan??? I cant believe that development didnt sell out and open in lighting speed. Half the place has a freaking perfect view of the Bellagio fountains, and the balconies are enormous. I would stay there everytime. It is the perfect location and size, IMO. what the hell happened there? it really mucks up that entire (very central) location.

The Cosmopolitan's story is a long and twisted tale. It is probably too complicated.

ondarox
Dec 16, 2009, 7:56 AM
So who's going to be at Aria tomorrow? I know ratevegas is already there, and justdefended is ready to go... I'm arriving at noon tomorrow and will be there through Saturday... would love to meet up for a drink!

Real quick... The whole CityCenter vs 'Wynncore" comparison is pretty moot at this point. I think of Mr. Wynn's masterpiece to be more of a Designed space rather than CityCenter's compound, which is more of an Architechtural marvel. In my opiion two different things. Steve's project is very much about interior intimacy whereas the MGM Mirage project has more exterior appeal and architectual anomolies which make it stand out.

Can't wait to see the interiors... where I could expect to see the typical MGM Mirage Design Group "Generic Modern Contemporary," I can already see there are many WOW points to grab my attention ;P I'm way too excited, but once again, I expect Wynn to dominate in interiors rather than exteriors.

Random blabbing, just thought I'd share. Regardless- I'm excited to see both properties for the first time tomorrow! [ I missed Encore's opening by hours last year... :( ]

cbotnyse
Dec 16, 2009, 3:16 PM
The Cosmopolitan's story is a long and twisted tale. It is probably too complicated.so was it just horribly managed?? must have been the worst possible timing in real estate history too. But given the perfect location and size, and with such a rock solid selling point of huge balconies overlooking the best view in Vegas, I cant believe this would fail so badly. What an eyesore right in the heart of the strip.

ScottG
Dec 16, 2009, 4:50 PM
i drove down harmon road - wich in now officially open (even the freeway overpass) you just cant turn left on LV BLVD yet,

and it is really dull - everything is above you, all the buildings / porte cocheres are about 50 feet up - there just about 'carved' harmon out of the ground - you see nothing as you drive by -


not the urban neighborhood they were going for - its really no different than the airport tunnel.


as you drive pass cosmo you can spot some rooms in the podium are complete! - i saw some ceiling light coves etc,

also the jagged glass shards that make the front of the podium are being lit white along the black mullions - it really frames the glass and lightens up the facade.

lfc4life
Dec 16, 2009, 5:11 PM
apparently - the saharah has closed two of its three hotel towers (as well as its buffet) for the same reason why binions is closing (did you know?): low business.

seems like golden nuggets new tower and city center is knocking the older hotels into the gutter.

people are just migrating to better properties/better locations for the same price they stayed at sahara and binions 3 years ago, rooms at the IP midweek are going for $20 a night these days, flamingo and ballys $40 a night, who is going to stay at stratosphere or riveria or sahara with those rates mid-strip

voice of reason
Dec 17, 2009, 6:58 AM
so was it just horribly managed?? must have been the worst possible timing in real estate history too. But given the perfect location and size, and with such a rock solid selling point of huge balconies overlooking the best view in Vegas, I cant believe this would fail so badly. What an eyesore right in the heart of the strip.

The really short version is the East Coast developer went over budget/ lost his construction financing. The world had its financial melt-down where re-financing was unavailable for any project. The largest creditor on the project was Deutsche Bank, one of the worlds largest banks. They got Cosmo back in a foreclosure action. They have had agreements with several big hotel companies to run it, they have fallen thru. Construction goes on at a very slow pace. Lawsuits by the condo buyers have been succesful on the West Tower, refunds are now in the works on those. The sales office is not active and no info is forthcoming. The website is down.