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Jul 6, 2007, 5:22 PM
Call me the cynic, but it should read, "as late as this month and as early as December." :)

Jul 6, 2007, 5:48 PM
There is no way he's not moving downtown. He's creating too much of a media circus for it not to happen.

Jul 7, 2007, 12:31 AM
I think they are moving downtown for sure... and I hope they build something that fits with detroit archetecture... like One Detroit Center....that is prolly my favorite "newer" skyscraper.

Jul 7, 2007, 1:29 AM
Yeah, Gilbert has put too much into this for this not to happen. It's not if, it's when.

As for the design, I actually hope they go for something ultra-modern for a change, something that will be a landmark and stick out. I've had enough with everything having to blend in; it's time to make a bold statement.

Jul 7, 2007, 6:07 PM
^Totally agree. I was down on the riverfront today looking inward and could imagine a semi-iconic building rising up in the back of the skyline as if to call people back that way to see the new Grand Circus Park transformation.

There's no more question whether or not they are moving downtown. They are. The question is which site downtown. One or the other or both (Hudson's/Statler).

Jul 8, 2007, 2:45 AM
When the buildings on Grand Circus Park were being built their owners wanted to make a statement. The very reason Detroit architecture is respected today, is that when it was new it was bold and exacting. Sticking a modern, glass skyscraper in Grand Circus needs happen, we shouldn't revere the historic architecture so much that we're afraid to be bold and exciting.

Jul 8, 2007, 4:04 AM
I would like to see a glass tower that somewhat emulates the classic design of Detroit's towers.

Something like this one in Austin:


or this one which kind of looks like a Comerica 4.0:


Jul 10, 2007, 2:38 PM
I think that would really stand out in the detroit skyline. the skyline really kneeds a super tall skyscraper.

Jul 10, 2007, 2:45 PM
I think a good bold "newer style" building would be a building like the 30 Hudson street. in Jersey City, that would look cool in Motown.

Jul 10, 2007, 10:38 PM
30 Hudson street looks pretty cool, modern and very elegant. How tall do you guys think Rock would be though? I have been in the whole building that they have now in Livonia... seems like even if they went double the space that it would be like 30stories tops... but then Gilbert says it's gonna be "big" whatever they do.... would be sweet to see something taller or as tall as the ren cen....

the pope
Jul 10, 2007, 11:10 PM
how's the current class A vacancy in downtown detroit?

Its not like companies build skyscraper HQs with the intention of completely filling them up themselves.

Jul 10, 2007, 11:23 PM
Overall vacancy for the entire metro has been hovering around 20-25% for years now, and downtown even higher at around 30%. Overall Class A vacancy is sitting at 15-20%, as well. The office market downtown, and in the entire metro, has been soft for many years, now, and it's not going to get much better. Heck, Redico is having time finding tenants the remaining space in the speculative, 10-story One Kennedy on Campus Martius, with most of the current tenants being pulled from other downtown buildings.

I seriously doubt it's going to be tall, but I really couldn't care less as long as its a good design that fills a block. I've said it before, but I expect it to be built much like the massing of Compuware, and at the max, a height of 300 feet or so. "Big", I doubt, can be equated to "tall". The big announcement is big because it's supposed to include multiple announcements. My feeling it that it has something to do with the new JLA, too, and the renovation of the UA.

Jul 11, 2007, 1:23 AM
I think Rock/Quicken is going to announce that the name of the new Red Wings arena will be "Rock Financial Arena" or something like that.

Jul 11, 2007, 5:00 AM
where do you guys get the information on Rock Financial...a tried looking it up online and couldn't find anything.

Jul 11, 2007, 11:33 PM
I just find it in the detroit news and freepress.... detroitrising.com is a cool site too

Jul 12, 2007, 12:15 AM
I don't know if you guys heard about this:

GM taps Hines to develop 600 luxury condo units east of Ren Cen

Source: Detroit News, 6/21/2007
General Motors has solidified its long-discussed plans to develop residential housing on the East Riverfront. The company announced that Hines will be given six acres of land just east of the Renaissance Center in exchange for a cut of future profits. The plan calls for 600 units of luxury high-rise condominiums

Jul 12, 2007, 1:11 AM
Yes, Illbred posted this on the last page, and this was also posted in City Discussions and the Midwest subforum when it was originally reported on. We are pretty good, between the half dozen or so of us regularly active Michigan forumers, at keeping up daily/every-other-day on major Michigan development announcements.

Jul 12, 2007, 5:38 PM
does anybody know how far Greektown Casino has gotten? I would like to some photos of the latest construction stage, July. Not Downtown

the pope
Jul 12, 2007, 8:27 PM
does anybody know how far Greektown Casino has gotten? I would like to some photos of the latest construction stage, July.

what, the DetKing doesn't live in Detroit?

Jul 12, 2007, 9:08 PM
this is so wrong.

what the hell is so necessary about this? this used to be the only nice corner in all downtown; the only place between the river and the freeways where it was actually pleasant to stand around.

Jul 12, 2007, 9:58 PM
^^ Oh really? That was your favorite place there next to the city-owned parking garage a block away from the expressway? What a shame they messed that all up for you.....

Jul 13, 2007, 12:30 AM
Detking: There's hasn't been much progress on Greektown. The hotel is 3-4 floors and the parking garage isn't done yet but all four corners are filled out now w/just a few sections in the middle to be completed.

A couple weeks ago MGM must have been testing some of their exterior lights out. There were beams shining up the top 2-3 floors in the vertical banding area between the windows. It was subtle but looked pretty good. I already much prefer the bldg at night.... the hideous 2nd head (elevator shaft/etc) at the top isn't as obvious and the rooms look attractive lit up from within at night.

Jul 13, 2007, 7:15 PM
Speaking of hotels...

Sheraton's site claiims the new Detroit Riverside Hotel (currently the Hotel Pontchatrain) will be open for reservations for 10/16/07 and beyond... meaning the $12 m renovation should be complete by then...


And as mentioned on the forum before, Westin's site claims the Book Cadillac will open about a year later in October of 2008


Great to see the websites showing the new Detroit Downtown properties to visitors looking for hotels for the auto show and march madness contests next year. :)

Jul 14, 2007, 3:32 AM
4 10 story condo buildins in early planning states near bell isle


Jul 14, 2007, 5:06 PM
Eastern Market changes coming

Welcome center opens today as part of $10.8M renovation of landmark.

Eric Morath / The Detroit News

Jul 14, 2007, 11:51 PM
We're the link?

Jul 15, 2007, 1:19 AM
sry..here is the full story

DETROIT -- An Eastern Market welcome center set to open today will be among the first tangible results of a $10.8 million renovation of the Detroit landmark.

The center -- at Adelaide and Market streets -- will serve as an information hub to guide visitors through more drastic renovations expected to kick off later this month. In the first stage, Eastern Market's Shed 2 will under go major construction, displacing vendors to a nearby tent.

"Customers are used to having the vendors in the same location, so (the welcome center) will be a spot to dispense maps and give other information," said Laura Rodwan, spokeswoman for the Eastern Market Corp., the nonprofit that took over operations of the marketplace from the city last year.

The project to restore Shed 2 to its original 1894 appearance was supposed to have started in June. But the logistical issues of relocating vendors and preparing visitor materials delayed the start. Now the corporation is awaiting Detroit City Council approval to launch the renovation efforts.

If the approval comes within the next week or two, Shed 2 could reopen in September or October. Original plans called for a Labor Day grand opening.

As for the welcome center, future plans call for photographic displays to document the market's historic past; sales of Eastern Market merchandise and canvas shopping bags; and workers dispensing directions and information about the area'sother tourist attractions.

"We felt like it will be a nice place for those new to market," Rodwan said. "We'll give directions, have maps of the layout for first-timers, have bathroom facilities and give information about membership to our 'Friends of the Eastern Market' program."

Historic renovations are planned for the market's other sheds so that the area looks as it did in the 1890s. The overall goal is to create a more appealing location to attract first-time visitors and better serve long-time customers and those in nearby neighborhoods.

Once completed, Eastern Market will operate three days a week instead of just Saturday and provide a heated shed for more comfortable year-round operations.

Other changes to come:

A new "flowerland" in Shed 5. The building will feature a new glass front and contain fresh-cut blooms and plants.

A heated and ready-for-cold-weather Shed 3.

A program that lets people receiving public assistance and food stamps use their benefits, distributed via a debit card, at Eastern Market.

Increased inspections of vendor stands and produce to ensure the fruits and vegetables are fresh.

A membership drive for the Friends of Eastern Market. Membership fees would generate funds for renovations and market maintenance. Members would get discounts at Eastern Market merchants

Jul 15, 2007, 3:25 PM
I wonder how tall of a building quicken's HQ will be. it can't out beat the Ren Cen in height if they're only spending 200 million. for the Ren Cen to be built today could exceed 5 billion

Jul 16, 2007, 1:23 AM
I can't wait until the Westin Book-Cadillac gets it's full renovation.
this is a pic from June.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7051/bookcadillachi5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-15

Jul 16, 2007, 8:17 AM
The before and after pics of the Book Cadillac are going to be alot more dramatic than I had originally thought. The top looks strange now since the turrets aren't green. Anyone know how long it takes the copper to change once it's exposed to the elements?

Also, maybe I read it wrong but I thought the 2oo million # was the total deal/tax breaks/incentives the state was offering and not the actual cost of the HQ. If Gilbert has been hinting at big "blow you away" things and other businesses coming with him, I'd expect something valued alot more than 2oo million if that was the case. How much extra money might someone very rich be willing to blow to transform an average HQ into a grand iconic HQ? The extra cost might be worth it if the HQ happened to be on the Statler site and thousands could see it during Tiger games. Be speculative and build more than you need. I know I'm daydreaming but if this project becomes very prominent, I could see floors of condos on top of everything fetching top dollar so why not go high and also get the exposure from the folks at the ballpark and media.

I've heard the argument that something with significant height wouldn't look good built right on Grand Circus Park. Personally, I'd love to see a tall modern tower here. You have the Broderick 1 bldg away which is quite tall and soaring and right on the park so I don't think a big old HQ would look out of place there at all. How many chances do we get at building something new dwntwn- something sleek and shiny punctuating our beloved skyline. Perhaps keeping w/popular modern designs we could have a slender curving black skyscraper looming over GCP that is our answer to Calatrava's Chicago Spire...... Detroit's Quicken Quill ;)

Jul 17, 2007, 2:36 AM
You may be right on the 200 million dollar thing. I think Quicken should build their HQ like this, or this http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1406/trumpinternationalhotelil4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-16http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2519/trumpplaceny5.png (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-16

Jul 17, 2007, 5:42 AM
^^ I'm not crazy about the second one but something sleek like the 1st pic would look great at either proposed site. I have a feeling, though, considering all the plots of land that might be used at the Statler site, there would be setbacks and it'd have a more stacked look to it.

At Motorcity, they've been putting up the metal sheets at the top. Like the MGM, this hotel tower looks best at night and I'm curious how their night-lighting scheme is going to turn out. For as awful as I think that building looks, I think they should just make it bright and gaudy as hell at night and try to draw as much attention to itself as possible. It's a tacky design in an undesirable location so all I really expect from it is to hopefully light up that pocket of dwntwn a little.

Jul 17, 2007, 5:56 AM
Speaking of Woodbridge, if any of you guys can get pictures updates on Woodbridge Estates' progress, that would be great, not to mention any new construction going on with the new North Corktown historic-styled, wood-frame homes just north of the Fisher. I really think this area has and incredible amount of potential for the sole fact that it's largely a blank slate south of Grand River. Most of the neighborhood is gone.

BTW, I just found a new project going on in my old neighborhood, The North End:

North End Village (http://www.michhome.org/NORTH-END-BIO.PDF)

As long as the garages are in the back, I don't much care about how they look. I had no idea this was even planned or going on. Apparently, the infill will consists of 90 homes in two phases, and it says "attached" two-car garages, but I'm still unable to tell if this means garages behind or in front.

Here is the Model D blurb:

Two homes in one day for North End (http://www.modeldmedia.com/developmentnews/northend10207.aspx)

Jul 17, 2007, 4:03 PM
I'm sure they'll be using lower quality materials, but it is a good start.

Jul 17, 2007, 11:38 PM
Wayne County expected to buy Guardian Building

Robert Snell / The Detroit News


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DETROIT --Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano is expected to announce more than $30 million in building purchases today, a plan that could involve relocating county workers from the Old Wayne County Building to the Guardian Building.

The 11 a.m. announcement will be made at the Guardian Building, which Wayne County Commissioner Edward Boike suspects will be purchased by the county, and possibly serve as the new headquarters of county government.

The spending spree comes amid a lingering dispute between owners of the Old Wayne County Building and Ficano, who claims the county is being overcharged to lease the structure.

The spree could reshuffle occupancy rates for at least two historic downtown properties, or it could merely be a bluff by Ficano to secure a more favorable lease rate at the 105-year-old Old Wayne County Building, which is known for its ornate ceilings, mosaic floors and antique statues of a horse and chariot on its roof.

"I don't think it's a bluff," Boike said. "I think what it says is, 'Hey, we are serious.' The landlord's got to pay attention now. What we're paying for the building right now is way too much."

The county leases the building for about $5 million a year from Southfield-based Old Wayne County Building Limited Partnership, a private company that owns the historic site. Ficano has accused the company of routinely overcharging for office space and threatened to move out of the building on Randolph Street in downtown Detroit.

Both sides were scheduled to meet Monday to discuss proposals that could keep Wayne County offices in the Old Wayne County Building but the meeting's outcome was unclear Tuesday. Partnership spokesman Michael Layne could not be reached for comment.

Boike said a decision has not been made to vacate the Old Wayne County Building or purchase the Guardian Building. And he has not been briefed on how the county will pay for the purchases or what other buildings are involved.

"The commission will have the final vote on that," Boike said.

The Guardian's owner, 500 Associates LLC., is a joint venture between New York Capital in New York and Sterling Group, a real estate firm in Detroit. The venture bought the 40-story, 750,000-square foot landmark from DTE Energy in 2003.

The occupancy rate of the Guardian is 69 percent, which translates into 197,216 square feet of available space available, according to Co-Star Property. The average rent is $16.75 per square foot.

Danny Samson of The Sterling Group did not return a phone call seeking comment Tuesday but is scheduled to attend today's news conference.

Staff writer Louis Aguilar contributed to this report. You can reach Robert Snell at (313) 222-2028 or rsnell@detnews.com.

Jul 18, 2007, 1:16 PM
New loft development. Anyone have more info? Looks very well designed, inside and out. Is this for real, or just a concept?


Trying to attach pics.


Jul 18, 2007, 2:37 PM
The Roxbury Group Breaks Ground on The Griswold ~ Capitol Park

DETROIT–The Roxbury Group, a Detroit-based development company, broke ground yesterday on The Griswold ~ Capitol Park, an 80-unit condominium project to be located on the corner of Griswold Street and Michigan Avenue, next to the Westin Book Cadillac Hotel and Residences.

Stacy Fox, a principal of the Roxbury Group, announced the construction team, Walbridge Aldinger and LS Brinker, who joined forces as construction managers on the project. She stated, “Having worked closely with Walbridge Aldinger in the past, I am confident that this project will be built safely and on time and on budget.”

Participants in the groundbreaking included Detroit Deputy Mayor Anthony Adams, Detroit City Council President Kenneth V. Cockrel, Jr. and President of the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation George Jackson.

The Griswold ~ Capitol Park was first announced in December of 2006 when the Roxbury Group secured the “air rights” – the empty space – above the parking structure to be owned by the Downtown Development Authority on which the project will be built. In her acknowledgements, Fox stated, “George Jackson immediately saw the creative economic development opportunity in the air rights and has worked diligently with us to realize this potential.”

The Griswold residences, designed by Detroit-based architecture firm, Kraemer Design Group, will rise six floors above an 11-story retail and parking complex, which is being built to support the Westin Book-Cadillac and The Griswold.

The residences range in size from 650 to 2,800 square feet and will feature high-end amenities and finishes including a private entrance on Griswold Street staffed by a 24-hour doorman, floor-to-ceiling windows, one or two terrace balconies per unit, fireplaces in certain units and gas appliances. The top residential floor (15th floor of the building) will offer nine, two-story penthouses allowing for second-floor master suites with a second balcony. Every unit will have spectacular views of downtown.

The cost for the entire project is $41 million; with The Griswold portion alone totaling over $26 million in investment.

Jul 19, 2007, 2:21 AM
New loft development. Anyone have more info? Looks very well designed, inside and out. Is this for real, or just a concept?


Trying to attach pics.


It's real. It's been in the planning stages for a few years now.

Skyfan, do you have a link to what looks like a press release?

Jul 19, 2007, 2:55 AM
Twelve-25, gets me thinking.

You know, Woodward has so much potential to be a trendy destination for both living and entertainment. When i see projects like this one that have a nice modern style to it, I get excited about what Woodward can become, at least in the CBD and midtown. Along with places like Detroit Breakfast House, Proof, Borders, and Au Bon Pain it seems like Woodward has the beginnings of a great urban area.

Lets hope it can get over the hump and retain some of these good developments and add others. I can totally see a Gap, Whole Foods, Blockbuster video, etc coming in and making woodward a very walkable and liveable area. Add a movie theater and it would be hard to argue not living there.

Exciting potential.


Jul 19, 2007, 5:23 AM
Is Twelve-25 all that different from what's been going on and going on, now, though? I don't think we should overstate its importance. It'll be another great notch in Woodward's belt, but not so drastically different from what we've seen in the downtown, and drawing upon the success of Merchant's Row and the hundreds of other residential units that have been developed in downtown since 2000.

Jul 19, 2007, 6:33 PM
I think the significance lies in the fact that it isn't a huge development. Downtown's rebirth cannot rely on mega-developments alone. These small scale renovations will be the key to Detroit's success.

Jul 20, 2007, 1:33 AM
I agree, I just didn't see how this is spoken of as if its the tipping point.

Jul 20, 2007, 4:39 AM
I think the significance lies in the fact that it isn't a huge development. Downtown's rebirth cannot rely on mega-developments alone. These small scale renovations will be the key to Detroit's success.

I completely agree that any small developments, residential or otherwise, are a great thing for the city. My only point, and I probably didn't make it clear the first time, is that Detroit, and Woodward especially, need to finally get businesses in here that support residential.

I think it is great that we have so many loft condos being built. But until there are support businesses, i.e. grocery stores, not many people will want to move here. We can have, and do have for that matter, some great communities starting from new residential developments. But people can't live in an area without stores, doctors, jobs, schools, etc.

i don't think Twelve 25 is a "tipping point". But how many more lofts and apartments can survive without other necessary business.


Jul 20, 2007, 6:37 AM
That really is the question, but residential has to come before the commerce in these downtown redevelopments, at least, this is what the mainstream business community has dictated.

Jul 20, 2007, 4:54 PM
That really is the question, but residential has to come before the commerce in these downtown redevelopments, at least, this is what the mainstream business community has dictated.

Yeh, and I have to believe they are coming around so to speak. It would be hard to argue against small business in Detroit and the Woodward cooridor once these residences fill up. And add onto that momentum Quicken/Rock/Fathead relocation and I think retailers will realize the purchasing power that exists. I would think that just in Merchants row alone there would be more demand for new retailers and some small independent stores. Just adding foot traffic from a new Quicken HQ should add more demand.

Man i am freakin out about Quicken right now. Once that comes everything changes. I'm in agoning waiting this thing out. But I digress.

Jul 20, 2007, 9:11 PM
does anybody know how far Quicken is getting on their HQ going downtown. also quicken says that they're not the only businesses going downtown. do you guys know who else is going downtown?

Jul 20, 2007, 9:31 PM
Quicken hasn't even decided whether or not they are moving downtown. They won't make that decision for several weeks. And even if they do decide to move downtown, construction probably won't even start until 2008.

Jul 21, 2007, 3:21 AM
Should this concern me that over on Detroityes someone posted that Quicken may build in farmington hills? Now, granted, there are 300+ posts of rampant speculation, idiot concepts, and blue sky ideas. But the poster claims the source to be credible. I seriously am about to just quit reading anything related to quicken until I hear something official. I have been sucked into the hype, and I have to step back.

the pope
Jul 21, 2007, 3:52 PM
Should this concern me that over on Detroityes someone posted that Quicken may build in farmington hills? Now, granted, there are 300+ posts of rampant speculation, idiot concepts, and blue sky ideas. But the poster claims the source to be credible. I seriously am about to just quit reading anything related to quicken until I hear something official. I have been sucked into the hype, and I have to step back.

we have a saying at DY, "skippers rule"

Jul 21, 2007, 8:25 PM
Friday, July 20, 2007

Greektown Casino - 27 stories to go.



There's just something not right about this garage. ;)



Hotel Pick-Fort Shelby



3rd Street and MGM Grand Casino. Notice the new utility poles.

The parking garageville and its beautiful country meadow.



Motor City Casino





Willy's Overland Lofts


the pope
Jul 21, 2007, 9:32 PM
i was just thinking today, "man we haven't heard a peep from michi recently"

Jul 22, 2007, 4:15 AM
That shot of the "guts" of the parking garage is really interesting. I would almost like to see that spiral remain open, but obviously finished with bricks and other details.

Jul 22, 2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks for those pics. Motorcity IMO really looks like a piece of junk. The best thing about the bldg is going to be the skyline view from the top. MGM is looking okay--- they had the front panels all lit up from within the other night and it looked cool. Has there ever been a night rendering released?

Jul 22, 2007, 5:14 PM
:cool: Once again, great photos Michi ! Thanks. I count on you to keep me posted, I am living across the Atlantic! Do you have any news about the Lafayette building? With the soon to be new Book Cadillac and the brand new Griswold nearby, it could be a succes. I would love to hear about the groundbreaking of the WSU school for business, a nice building that would be great for Woodward ave. I hope that the Ilitch family will build a new arena in midtown and that the money will be found to expand Cobo hall. Chicago eat your heart out! Greatings from Leuven, Ross.

Jul 22, 2007, 7:30 PM
No official word on the Lafayette yet... although I have heard rumblings through the rumor mill.

WSU Business school has not broken ground yet, although the South University Village is progressing with noticeable foundation work.

David Whitney is having work done on the bricks. It has a long road ahead, but according to my sources will be coming back piece by piece.

Workers have been seen in the UA. Plus a mysterious bunch of blue crosses have appeared in some windows on the front facade. What it means I do not know.

Detroit Life is secure and progressing.

The building across Park from the Town Pump is being worked on and looks really good inside.

The Temple of the Oddfellows Building has had some activity inside.

That is all I have seen/heard lately.

Jul 22, 2007, 9:33 PM
Detroit needs some more office towers. and i also have got mixed in with the quicken info. I thought they already announced a move downtown. :rolleyes: what can you do.

Jul 22, 2007, 11:57 PM
Detroit needs more office towers like it needs more liquor stores. I would love more office towers if more companies decided to make the jump, but I still think we are in the very early stages of downtown regaining its status as the office center of the region.

Jul 23, 2007, 1:39 AM
Yeah, Detroit needs more office towers when the economy actually demands them. Heck, REDICO was having a hard time filling the 10-story One Kennedy Square without stealing tenants from other office buildings, and it's still not all filled from what I understand. The office market has been soft for years, and will continue to be for some time. And office development in the central city will be small-scale, as it should be, at the moment. Speculative office buildings would be horrible for the downtown area at the moment.


Is the redevelopment of the Detroit Life really is full swing?

Jul 23, 2007, 1:55 AM
I wouldn't say full swing. Though there have been workers in there quite a bit lately.

Jul 23, 2007, 6:32 AM
Thanks. I asked because what I was hearing was that this project is still in development. Either that, or the project still needs to be fully financed before they really start. I was under the impression that the 'work' being done, now, was much the same as the work seen at the Broderick. (i.e. inspection, preliminary prep work, ect...). Not hard construction, yet.

Jul 24, 2007, 7:58 PM
July 24, 2007

Beethoven undergoing total rehab, will have 31 residential units, 2 commercial spaces


An apartment building deemed a "problem building" by local residents due to the amount of drug raids conducted there over the years is undergoing a total gut rehab. The Beethoven Apartments, located on Third at Prentis, will be transformed into 31 market rate apartments and two first-floor commercial spaces.

Currently, the building is being gutted and stabilized. Developer Scott Lowell hopes to begin build-out at the end of July and to complete the project in just under a year.

The apartments will be one- and two-bedrooms and will rent for about $1/square foot, topping out at just over $1,000 for the largest units down to about $650 for the smallest ones.

Lowell anticipates the building will have a positive effect on the area. "New market rate housing for people with a couple of nice commercial additions -- that will be nothing but good for the 'hood."

Source: Scott Lowell, developer, Beethoven Apartments
Writer: Kelli B. Kavanaugh

DFC begins construction on new Eastern Market HQ


Construction began last week on the renovation of the building that will become the home of the Detroit Film Center. The three-story, 10,000 square-foot former meat packing plant in Eastern Market is located on the service drive of the Chrysler freeway, around the corner from the Flying Apron Bakery.

The current phase of construction will build out the ground floor, which will house DFC operations. The space will include classrooms, offices and a screening room. This phase will also see facade improvements and the construction of a new staircase to the upper floors that does not require access into the DFC space.

Once the DFC is moved into their new digs, construction will proceed on the upper stories. DFC president Robert Anderson says the intended uses are a yoga studio on the second floor and two rental lofts on the third.

Anderson says the DFC's goal is to celebrate the grand opening of its new headquarters the week of October 17, in order to tie it in with this year's Detroit Docs Film Festival.

Source: Robert Anderson, DFC
Writer: Kelli B. Kavanaugh

credit: modeldmedia.com

Jul 25, 2007, 12:31 AM
The El-Moore development at 2nd and Alexandrine has a website: http://heartofmidtown.com/index.html

The project consists of not only the renovation of the El-Moore but also a new modern addition. There aren't really renderings at this point but it is still exciting non-the-less.

Jul 25, 2007, 1:07 AM
3rd and Prentis, eh? Looks like developers are slowly creeping into the Cass Corridor.

BTW, does anyone know if this is Scott Lowell's first redevelopment?

Jul 25, 2007, 1:48 AM
I wouldn't call 3rd and Prentis the Corridor... it is closer to Wayne State. 2nd and Alexandrine on the other hand...

Jul 25, 2007, 3:07 AM
Ok, ok, creeping towards the Cass Corridor. What do you consider the northern boundary of the Corridor? To me, the Corridor and WSU really kind of blend in to each other; I don't see a definite gap.

Jul 25, 2007, 4:39 AM
I think there is a definite border at Mack, at least as far as Cass is concerned. 3rd St can be sketchy a little further north.

Jul 27, 2007, 8:46 PM
Just read a article that because of some restrictions of some type, the parking garage for the Book Cadilac will have to be narrower resulting it it being 10 stories... so the whole project at the Griswold will be 18 stories...

Jul 27, 2007, 9:20 PM
I took a trip to Corktown the other night and there are alot of people investing in houses. there was about two houses out of ten taht had people painting the outside or constructing siding or new windows. I also went to Brush Park, I would really want them to hurry up on turning the other burnt out houses itno something like the edmund place. it's an eye sore right now.

Jul 27, 2007, 10:51 PM
Just read a article that because of some restrictions of some type, the parking garage for the Book Cadilac will have to be narrower resulting it it being 10 stories... so the whole project at the Griswold will be 18 stories...

If it was an older article, it was discussed on DetroitYes, extensively, and nothing about the project has changed, height-wise, rather the original reporting contained errors.

Jul 30, 2007, 3:36 AM
The Metropolitan Building has been secured. The west alley is fenced off completely and also on the east, with a path to allow alley access. No word on if there are any plans for it.

David Whitney may be further along then we think. The guard down there mentioned that they are currently doing brick work. Another person I spoke with hinted at renovation.

UA Building will be incorporated into the new Quicken headquarters. No word on whether the theater will be saved, but I am thinking it will.

The work on the Lafer Building continues. The rear has window and door openings cut out (balconies?) which is a complete change from the rusty fair stairs with old jewelry and watch signs.

Oddfellows now has a dumpster out front and it is filled with a lot of miscellaneous shit.

Thats all I have for now...

Jul 30, 2007, 3:43 AM
UA Building will be incorporated into the new Quicken headquarters. No word on whether the theater will be saved, but I am thinking it will.

This is the second post (first being in the midwest section) that speaks in very sure words that Quicken has made a decision. Rumors? or actual solid info. Gotta know.

Jul 30, 2007, 6:04 AM
On another note,

I found these travel videos on youtube courtesy of www.erikhastings.com
They are very informative for any visitors to the Detroit area and cover most of the basic sites and attractions. I'd say they show the city in a very positive light. and they are recent which is a plus.

But what really makes these videos stand out are the comedically talented host and the wonderful background music. ;) Enjoy.




Jul 30, 2007, 6:06 PM
Ok, ok, creeping towards the Cass Corridor. What do you consider the northern boundary of the Corridor? To me, the Corridor and WSU really kind of blend in to each other; I don't see a definite gap.

I'd say that south of Canfield or Alexandrine... things tend to go downhill rather quickly.

But like Hudkina said, generally speaking, it's M.L.K. Jr. Blvd. (Mack Av's western counterpart)

Jul 31, 2007, 1:44 AM

This is not Scott's first project. He owns ~60 apartments units in midtown, a fair number of which he renovated. The last full scale renovation he did was the Blackstone (http://www.detroitmidtown.com/05/midtown.php?offset=20&type=&lid=80)

His architect is a Detroiter named Michael McCleer, he has a relatively low profile (i.e. he works for himself/by himself) but he does terrific work. The Blackstone is a thing of beauty :)

Jul 31, 2007, 2:44 AM
In Crain's Detroit today, there is much talk about a 2nd span to the Ambassador bridge again.... and possibly two separate bridges built (even though it is not likely).... sorry couldn't find the article online though.. but the title is "Span Spin."

the pope
Jul 31, 2007, 12:22 PM
In Crain's Detroit today, there is much talk about a 2nd span to the Ambassador bridge again.... and possibly two separate bridges built (even though it is not likely).... sorry couldn't find the article online though.. but the title is "Span Spin."


Aug 4, 2007, 5:28 PM
Gourmet grocer eyes midtown Detroit site

Traverse City group hopes to set up store in new loft project on Woodward at Watson.

Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- A specialty grocer that emphasizes Michigan-made and gourmet food aims to set up a 4,500-square-foot store in a new loft project on Woodward in Midtown.

Traverse City-based Northpointe Food Ventures, operators of Zaccaro's Market in Charlevoix, is in negotiations to set up shop in the Crystal Lofts, a former ballroom on the corner of Woodward and Watson Street in Brush Park.

The deal should be sealed in a few weeks, if not sooner, according to the loft's developer and the food retailer. The Detroit store will also be called Zaccaro's Market.

"We both would like it to happen and we are working hard to finalize the agreement," said Dwight Belyue, owner of Belmar Development Group, the group behind the loft project.

Some details remain to be worked out, including finalizing the costs of the deal and the actual lay out of the street-level space. No opening date has been set.

"It's a beautiful building and a great location, so, yes, things are moving in a positive direction," said Cindy Warner, who founded Northpointe Food Ventures in 2005.

Beyond Zaccaro's, Northpointe Ventures also owns Village Inn Pizza in Charlevoix and The Boathouse and J&S Hamburg restaurants, both in Traverse City.

Zaccaro's will offer a wide variety of produce from Michigan farms, an in-house bakery and pastry shop, wine and a range of delicatessen meats and cheeses, seafood, and ethnic cuisine, including Italian, Asian, Jewish and Greek, Warner said.

The store also will feature an extensive prepared food menu.

"Some of the signature prepared dishes include whitefish pate, crab and calamari salad, and crab cakes -- all of which we intend to offer in Detroit," she said.

The Crystal Lofts include 13 lofts and three penthouse units ranging from $185,000 to $400,000, Belyue said. The target opening date is in mid-October. Five units have been sold.

Belyue is a prominent Detroit developer whose projects included the @water (pronounced at water), a $196-million development on the Detroit riverfront.

He intends to restore the entire block of buildings next to the Crystal Lofts.

Warner said if the Crystal Lofts deal doesn't work out, she intends to look for another location in or around downtown Detroit.

"Downtown Detroit is an exciting, under-served market," she said.


Aug 7, 2007, 6:39 AM
Not real important but have there ever been any decent renderings of what the DTE 'park' is supposed to look like? I remember something being mentioned that most of it will be exclusively for DTE employees but I hope it's not walled off like I think it's going to look. The first part they completed was an approximately 2 foot high wall along the 2 sides (bagley and 1st) bordering non-DTE land. Last week they put a row of trees in on top those walls and then a second matching row alongside them. Then I noticed posts between the trees in what will probably become hundreds of feet of new fence in our CBD. At first I thought the improvements to this part of the DTE fortress would be good for downtown but I'm really not thinking so now. Is that really all they could come up with.... really? They couldn't suck their borders in a little bit and provide some grass to trample on or some benches for the public who will be using those walkways. Millions spent and the ppl passing by get some trees to look at. Great stuff!

Aug 7, 2007, 4:07 PM
Sounds like what the Ren Cen did in the 70's...:rolleyes:

Hopefully it won't take 2 decades for them to realize that they should "share" their corner of downtown with everyone.

Aug 9, 2007, 8:32 PM
To the few of you that were just involved in that off-topic and inflammatory spat, don't do it again, and grow up.

Aug 9, 2007, 8:36 PM
I think Detroit should "twin" with Toronto. Sure it would seem like an illogical promo press release, at first.

Or is it?

Toronto (and the GTA) emerged as a major beneficiary of the auto-pact.

Toronto exploded (for many reasons), Detroit declined (for many reasons).

No Toronto resident who ever crossed the Windsor border would give Detroit great reviews... but they probably noticed what a great city it once was (and will be again).

Just a brief commercial for Detroit. If you are interested in more, then keep this thread active.

Aug 10, 2007, 9:17 PM
I'm not sure how that would help anything, at all.

Aug 11, 2007, 1:47 AM
In addition to LMich's response.... I'm not sure I want the ppl of a city where EVERYONE who has crossed the border, as you say, has a negative review trying to promote a commercial for the city of Detroit. We have enough pessimistic ppl within our own borders. Thanks anyways!

Aug 11, 2007, 3:42 PM
Guess it will take a while to undo what has happened there. When I was growing up there there was nothing but pride for the area. The good thing is that there is a definite Detroit mojo/identity to work with and few more dramatic announcements <i.e Quicken, G.M has a 4th quarter profit, union talks produce something that will turn costs around, you get a new mayor haha> The ball seems to have started to roll and believe it or not there are many of us all over the country that are really promoting the "new" Detroit. I will be there in Oct and am excited to see some of these things going on....:tup:

Aug 12, 2007, 1:53 AM
I was going to the National city branch in the First National Building the other day and saw contruction going on in one of the retail spaces off of the lobby. I asked the security guard what was going in and he thought it was a wine bar. Anyone have info on this? Can anyone verify that these are the plans for the street level space?

If correct, that will be a great location for a wine bar/restaurant with great views of CMP. Excting if true. I'll definitely get my drink on there.:cheers:


Aug 12, 2007, 6:33 PM
I think there has been alot of recent activity in the guardian building. I believe new shops are coming in and more office space is being taken up. like the penobscot building has had recent office space being taken up, like the move of univision from Troy to downtown Detroit's penobscot bldg. alot of new shops are coming in around downtown, the city is really pushing for retail. and I hope retail will come in cause Detroit lacks any shopping.

Aug 14, 2007, 1:40 AM
David Stott condo news?

Anyone have details?


Congrats on the publicity, Deco Jim! :D

Aug 14, 2007, 3:54 AM
kind of odd that there haven't been any rumblings prior to this...

Aug 21, 2007, 2:29 AM
Kind of interesting that the county plans to move their engineering office to the Guardian Building if the commission approves the sale on Sept. 6. The engineering office is in the building directly behind the former Statler-Hilton site.

Aug 22, 2007, 4:29 AM
^^^ I'm not really sure what you're getting at. I don't think anything should be torn down to make way for a Quicken HQ considering all the empty space and vacant bldgs in the vicinity. Or are you implying that the space would become more profitable to lease out to another party? Trust me, I'd love for it to mean 'something' but I don't see the connection.

Also, at DYes there's a guy who takes aerial pics of the casinos every month and while I was looking at the most recent ones of the HUGE MGM roof I wondered why they couldn't have made it a green roof. With all the money they're pouring into this monster, couldn't they have incorporated something of that nature? From the air all you see is this big cream mess that does nothing but ugly up the area and you barely notice the hotel portion w/its stumpy height. I know it's better than the parking lot expanse that was there before but c'mon. Touted the priciest construction project in Michigan at 3/4 + billion dollars and we got that!!! hahahaha

Aug 22, 2007, 3:29 PM
any more news on Quicken's hq, I haven't found out much, and aslo what about Greektown, have they finished that parking garage yet?

ps. pope I don't get your picture, is nelson laughing at Detroit or at the people looking at it.

Aug 22, 2007, 7:18 PM
He's laughing at the Ren Cen because Key Tower (Cleveland) is taller. He originally posted it in a thread a long time ago, but I can't remember what the thread was about...

Aug 22, 2007, 7:50 PM
Zuelas - What I'm getting at is that it is being proposed that the Wayne County Public Services building be freed up for the Quicken deal. I don't know if it will be demolished but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Although I know that Quicken wants to develop residential around its new building. The county appears to be doing things behind the scenes to make this deal happen along with the DEGC.

the pope
Aug 23, 2007, 2:29 AM
He's laughing at the Ren Cen because Key Tower (Cleveland) is taller. He originally posted it in a thread a long time ago, but I can't remember what the thread was about...

Disclaimer: MayDay made it, I stole it.

I can't remember what it was about either....

Aug 23, 2007, 3:47 AM
lol. I think it might have been when I was "arguing" over whether Downriver was better than Columbus or something? I can't remember.;)

Aug 24, 2007, 6:45 PM
O, Canada!
...imagining the twin span
I see white people..





















A dude who insisted on posing for a picture











the pope
Aug 24, 2007, 10:51 PM
didn't realize how good she looks clean (BC)

thanks for the update.

Aug 25, 2007, 1:46 AM
I just went to the book cadillac tonight, construction was still going on, it looked very nice. also Greektown was geting some what further. that parking garage is huge!!

Aug 25, 2007, 1:58 AM
Wow, those pictures are really exciting!! I feel like Detroit has or is getting close to critical mass with all those downtown residential projects and conversions to have the city center as a lively, livable neighborhood again... Is that true? How long until that happens?

Aug 25, 2007, 3:18 PM
Yah, critical mass is coming. I think 2010 is a reasonable year to use as a benchmark of assessment for that. It's a little bit off yet. There is still a massive amount of space to fill and connections to make throughout downtown and Midtown to even start revealing a contiguous stream of livable space.

My prediction is that the time period between 2010 and 2015 might start to usher in the second phase of critical mass building, heavily dependent on two things: 1) the state of the economy, and 2) where we are with mass transit. This 5 year period might be used to build the first of a system and IF (big if) we have it by 2015, the 5 years thereafter could be the time period where greater downtown achieves signs of critical mass.

What you are seeing now is just the snowball effect of a few critical events that have occurred in the past few years, a few of those being Campus Martius, GM/Compuware, Riverfront, Book Cadillac, and streetscapes.

Thanks for the picture updates, sub. Now, I don't have to do it! :)