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the pope
Nov 14, 2007, 2:32 PM
this debate comes up ad nausea on urbanohio, you have to ask yourself, would you rather have one 1,000ft skyscraper or four 20 story buildings creating a block and neighborhood? (think of the other tall skyscrapers in detroit, how many have a a good street presence?).

I guess we'll have to wait and see what goes on in the next year....

EuphoricOctopus
Nov 14, 2007, 5:49 PM
Maybe by making a statement he is saying by bringing business to Detroit which hasn't seen much of lately. I don't know if he would go that big and replace the Ren Cen, although I would love to see it. Only 4,000 workers that isn't enough to occupy that large of a building. Plus with the loan problems he might try to go conservative and just make a little 2.0.

I know that's what hes saying, I was just using it to apply for his HQ. Honestly, I doubt it will replace the RenCen, but since Dan Gilbert being pretty audacious, I think we are in for a treat. Compuware has 3,000 employees and they have a 1 million sq. ft., which if wikipedia is right, Comerica has 1.4 million sq. ft. What happens if they boom in growth again? He knows that his company is fine, otherwise they might as well of stayed in Livonia. You don't make statements like "Detroit 2.0" "we are going to change Detroit", etc., if you don't plan to go all the way and above.

hudkina
Nov 15, 2007, 4:11 AM
I would like to see at least one tower over 500 ft. If he builds something in the 50-60 story range he can easily surpass the Ren Cen if he uses an Atlanta-style decorative spire. If you assume a 50 story tower has an average of 12-14 feet between floors and you add a 100 ft spire on top, you have yourself a new "tallest" for Detroit.

testdrive
Nov 15, 2007, 4:39 AM
Finally! Something to get excited about..this is half the fun ....speculating what type of building will take shape. Regardless, this could possibily signal the beginning of a change in the whole economic dependence on one industry. With the downsizing of the big three a new contract that has starting wages significantly below what they were lessens the economic impact the auto industry will have and possibly opens the door to diversification in the economic base, which has to be good news. This is what happened out here in Seattle in the 70's with Boeing and opened the door for other industries like Microsoft, Amazon and others. Even with all the negatives Detroit looks like it is ripe for something very good to happen ........finally! :banana:

Michi
Nov 16, 2007, 12:32 AM
Well, everyone's got to remember that Quicken is already a Detroit company. Although the impact of moving downtown is huge for Detroit and Michigan, it's not like they aren't here in the local economy already.

testdrive
Nov 16, 2007, 4:04 AM
True, I am just thinking in terms as the move more as a psychological breakthrough that shows a sense of confidence which may serve as a catalyst for others outside the auto industry. It's one of those things that are hard to gauge but is still part of an economic mindset outside of number crunching. Guess only time will tell but it sure is a postive.:yes:

Michi
Nov 16, 2007, 4:45 AM
Absolutely! Lead by example, right? We need more Dan Gilbert leaders...I'll take a bunch of followers too. :)

hudkina
Nov 16, 2007, 5:29 AM
Michi, while we know that Livonia is just as "Detroit" as anything in the city, a lot of people from other regions only know about the 139 sq. mi. Detroit. So while we basically moved our eggs from one basket to another, the other basket is far more prominent than the first.

testdrive
Nov 16, 2007, 1:31 PM
:tup: Just for the record I grew up at Plymouth Rd and Southfield and am a graduate from Cody High and Wayne State.

Michi
Nov 16, 2007, 8:38 PM
td, that's the Rosedale Park/Grandmont area isn't it? One of my favorite parts of the city. Especially along Grand River through there. Lots of good old fashioned community pride.

LivingIn622
Nov 16, 2007, 9:10 PM
will the Livonia quicken still opertate? And I don't think Quicken is going that big. He will probably go around 40 storys. If the business grows then he'll go 45-50 storys. If the business isn't doing so good, then he'll settle for a small building on both sites, 15 storys.

testdrive
Nov 17, 2007, 3:35 AM
Michi, my neighborhood is a bit south of there it was known as Grandale back then. From Grand River on Southfield you head south and there was Fenkell ( 5 mi), Schoolcraft then Plymouth Rd. The neighborhood now is a real pit although I did an Earth Google and my house is still there Yay! When I was in HS my 1st job was at a small strip mall in the Rosedale area at a Sibley's Shoe store. I sure hope that one of those neighborhood re-development plans goes in that area:D

LivingIn622
Nov 17, 2007, 4:12 AM
Book-Cadillac condos: Hot, hot, hot
Joel J. Smith / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- The Book-Cadillac is becoming a coveted address.

Despite southeastern Michigan's sickly housing market, condominium sales have been brisk at the 1924 building, being revived as a hotel, restaurant and residential complex. Already, 61 of 67 condominiums in the Louis Kamper structure are spoken for.

Even John Ferchill, who put together the $180 million project, is stunned at how quickly condos have been snapped up. They range in price from $375,000 to $1.5 million.

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"I wasn't surprised. It was more like pure unadulterated shock," Ferchill said. "We thought it would take three years to sell what we sold in three months."

The Westin Book-Cadillac reflects a bright spot in Michigan's moribund real estate market. Ferchill said the company sold 40 units the first day they were put on the market over a year ago. And sales have been steady since then, he said.

"It's because people want to be part of the Book-Cadillac and want to live downtown," said Ferchill, who addressed the National Association of Industrial and Office Properties at a luncheon Thursday in Birmingham. The association is a trade group for developers, owners, investors and others.

"The Book-Cadillac in the eyes of Detroiters is a very special place," he said. "It's pretty obvious to us that it is way more special than we thought."

The Book-Cadillac was the city's pre-eminent hotel for six decades.

Presidents, movie stars and high-rolling gangsters stayed there. It closed in 1984 and became a 33-story symbol of Detroit's decline. At one point, city officials couldn't even raise enough money to tear it down.

The 33-story, 455-room hotel is on target to debut Sept. 27. The top six floors will house condos, including six penthouses with price tags ranging from $900,000 to $1.5 million.

When completed, the grand property on Washington Boulevard will cater to business travelers with several restaurants, ballrooms, convention space and meeting rooms.

'A good sign for Detroit'
Don Grimes, a senior research associate at the University of Michigan's Institute for Labor & Industrial Relations, said he wasn't surprised at the success of condo sales at the Book-Cadillac. He said the property seems to have attracted buyers who aren't affected by the woes of the housing market.

"These people make their decision on things other than interest rates or a flat housing market," Grimes said. "For a variety of reasons, they find it convenient and attractive to live in downtown Detroit. It's a good sign for Detroit."

Ferchill agreed.

When he sold the 40 units that first day, he thought that maybe the buyers were speculators looking to turn a quick profit. But a check of purchase agreements showed that -- in every case -- the buyers planned to move into the condominiums. And most were planning to pay cash for their new digs.

The future residents include the CEO of a downtown Detroit company who purchased a penthouse, and a Philadelphia business executive who frequently travels to Detroit for business; he bought a condo.

A city that's safe, clean
While the 61 individuals have signed papers committing themselves to a purchase, Ferchill said a few likely will ask to be released from their agreements. In some cases, a prospective buyer cannot sell an existing property or personal problems crop up. In any case, Ferchill said he will likely let anyone out of an agreement for a good reason.

Ferchill, who has similar projects in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, said he thinks Detroit will become an entertainment destination for the Midwest.

He said the three casinos, two stadiums and the Fox Theatre have been very good for downtown. However, he said there's still a need for more jazz and comedy clubs, and other entertainment venues.

"At first, it's inconceivable that all these rich, nice, suburban housewives would come downtown to hang out," he said. "But they will do it if we can keep it safe and clean. We're working on that."

Ferchill said main hotel construction should be completed by April, and interior work will continue until the September launch. While a few unanticipated glitches have arisen, he said, they were balanced out by some expected problems that weren't as bad as predicted.

National City Bank is financing the project.

Sperman 508
Nov 27, 2007, 2:32 AM
anybody have pics of the motorcity casino in its final stages? or the mgm grand complete?

Michi
Nov 28, 2007, 12:33 AM
Go here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=102019&page=27

Sperman 508
Nov 28, 2007, 1:05 AM
thanks...

Michi
Nov 28, 2007, 1:23 AM
Yer welcome.

I've been doing periodic "Detroit project updates" and posting them here, so you can keep an eye out for the next one. Maybe around the end/first of the year I'll get around to another one...especially since a lot of the projects take a while to notice physical progress.

Welcome to the forum, by the way!

skyfan
Dec 1, 2007, 7:19 PM
Land deal clears way to extend RiverWalk

Conservancy to unveil Monday how it will use former printing plant site.
David Josar / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- The Detroit Riverfront Conservancy on Monday is expected to announce plans for the 22-acre piece of land that had been owned by Detroit Media Partnership and was acquired by the conservancy Nov. 19.

Carly Strachan, a spokeswoman for the conservancy group, said the property is important because it will clear the way for the first substantial piece of the RiverWalk to extend from Cobo Center south toward the Ambassador Bridge. The site has about 2,000 feet of frontage along the Detroit River.

Strachan said she did not know the sale price for the property, which includes a 300,000-square-foot building. The Detroit Media Partnership, which runs the business operations of The Detroit News and Free Press, had asked for $20 million. The newspaper printing plant on the site closed in 2005, when printing operations for The News and Free Press shifted to an expanded plant with news presses in Sterling Heights.

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The property sales agreement was tentatively reached at the beginning of the year, but finalized Nov. 19, Strachan said.

U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, who was instrumental in obtaining money for the project, will speak Monday at a press conference that also will be attended by Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano; Detroit Media Partnership chief operating officer David Hunke; Matt Cullen and Derrick Miller, co-chairs of the Detroit Riverfront Conservancy; and conservancy president and CEO Faye Alexander Nelson.

The RiverWalk, a vehicle-free pathway, will run along the river, eventually stretching from from Belle Isle to the Ambassador Bridge. It will include parks, interpretive displays and other green spaces. The first half of the RiverWalk was opened this spring.

The construction and property acquisition is being done with government and private dollars and will be operated and maintained by the conservancy, a nonprofit organization.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=LOCAL

illbred
Dec 6, 2007, 9:00 PM
Detroit plans for cultural area on roll
Work may start in spring on $10M Paradise Valley cultural, entertainment district.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/METRO01/712030392

cgrski
Dec 7, 2007, 3:22 PM
Looks like Motor City is starting to put outer skin on. Don't understand why they are working on all corners instead of finishing one side frist though. Should blend nice with the hotel when done, if it ever gets there. Pics????

Michi
Dec 7, 2007, 6:19 PM
Hotel exterior at night.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1630

skyfan
Dec 14, 2007, 6:56 AM
More good news for the city's hotel market

Friday, December 14, 2007

Hopes rise high for Detroit hotels

Louis Aguilar and Robert Snell / The Detroit News
Despite financial problems that clouded its new start, the former Pontchartrain Hotel appears poised to get in on a surge in local convention and hotel business when the downtown hotel formally opens as the Sheraton Detroit Riverside on Monday.

The renovated Pontchartrain joins the recent debuts of high-end hotels at the MGM Grand and MotorCity casinos in lifting the entire Metro Detroit convention and hotel profile.

The number of big multi-hotel conventions in Detroit is set to increase next year from four to 10, convention officials and hotel analysts say. They will attract 10,000 to 15,000 people each and boost hotel occupancy rates for the region to levels not seen since before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to the Detroit Metro Convention & Visitors Bureau.

These large conventions often benefit suburban hotels, too, which get both overflow convention business and visitors displaced from downtown rooms.

"We've been saying all along we can get more conventions if we had more hotel rooms downtown, and that is the way it's turning out," said Michael O'Callaghan, executive vice president and chief operating officer for the convention and visitors bureau.

Besides the 365 renovated rooms at the Sheraton Detroit Riverside, the casino hotels have opened another 800 rooms downtown. More than 1,000 additional hotel rooms will open by the end of 2008, when the Greektown Casino Hotel, the renovated Westin Book Cadillac and Fort Shelby Doubletree Guest Suites open.

"The casino hotels helped break the Catch-22 of downtown Detroit," said Ron Wilson, chief executive officer of Hotel Investment Services Inc., a hotel consulting group in Troy. "The problems of expanding Cobo (Center) used to drive business away. But now we have (an) inventory of rooms, and that's bringing more business. The fundamentals are in place for regionwide growth."

Occupancy rate up
Through October, the latest month for which data is available, the average hotel occupancy rate for Metro Detroit was 60.5 percent, up from 58.7 percent last year. That's a significant increase considering the Super Bowl was in Detroit last year, O'Callaghan said. The city's 61.5 percent hotel occupancy rate is up 3 percent, too.
The occupancy increase is due in no small part to the new casino hotels. The MGM Grand opened in October. Last month, the MotorCity Casino opened and has yet to report occupancy rates.

Both hotels appear to be booked solid for the North American International Auto Show next month, O'Callaghan said. Show vendors and reporters are buzzing about the new casinos, and many plan to stay there, said Joe Serra, co-chairman of the show.

The Sheraton Detroit Riverside will most likely be full during the auto show, too, O'Callaghan said. The hotel had a soft reopening in October, after being closed for several months to complete the renovations. The official opening is Monday.

"They've done a great job in the renovations, and given that it is next door to Cobo, we do have faith it will compete quite well," O'Callaghan said.

But the money troubles of the Sheraton signal the downtown hotel scene hasn't completely turned a corner, analysts said.

The hotel's new owner, Shubh Hotels Detroit LLC, is scrambling to pay more than $734,000 in outstanding bills to contractors and the state Treasury Department. The hotel recently averted foreclosure proceedings by paying more than $800,000 in delinquent property taxes. The owners paid the taxes a month ago after the city misplaced the original check.

Still outstanding is more than $177,000 in delinquent state taxes, according to the Wayne County Register of Deeds Office. And 15 contractors have filed liens against the property, claiming they are owned a total of $557,000.

Sanjay Patel, a Shubh vice president, said he is negotiating to pay off the tax liens; hotel attorney Bruce Sucher said the owners intend to pay 98 percent of the contractors' bills by the end of this week.

The owners said the renovation of the 42-year-old hotel ultimately cost $26 million -- more than double what was originally budgeted to transform the long neglected property. Those overruns led to bills piling up.

'Property has dwindled'
"It's a shame that property has dwindled," said Charles Skelton, president of Hospitality Advisors Inc., an Ann Arbor hotel consulting firm.

But neither the auto show nor the initial performance of the hotels will be the true test of Detroit's new digs, Skelton said.

"Everyone expects a big flash in the beginning," he said. "We are talking about whole new audiences not used to coming to Detroit. This is the only place in the county where you have casino hotels in the heart of a manufacturing industrial city. I'm not smart enough to know really how it will turn out."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071214/BIZ/712140329

the pope
Dec 15, 2007, 9:55 PM
hi detroit. I'll see you next weekend.

detmi7mile
Dec 16, 2007, 1:10 AM
great article about the hotel market...things are really looking up for Detroit...I can't wait to come back on Tuesday and see the progress on Greektowns tower.

detmi7mile
Dec 16, 2007, 1:13 AM
as a matter of fact, ill take some pictures and post them on here

subterranean
Dec 16, 2007, 8:40 AM
Health Plan of Michigan Moving to One Kennedy Square

CBD Office Complex To House State's Third Largest Medicaid HMO

Health Plan of Michigan will move its operations to One Kennedy Square in downtown Detroit this weekend. It will occupy 51,402 square feet of office space on the sixth and seventh floors of the central business district office building. Health Plan signed a 15-year lease.

One Kennedy Square was completed last year, adding 250,000 square feet of office/retail space to the downtown Detroit market. With this addition to the tenant roll, which already includes Ernst & Young, Marketing Associates and Walbridge Aldinger, the building is almost fully leased.

Melanie Markowicz, marketing assistant for owner/developer Redico Inc., said this new occupancy leaves vacant only a portion of office space on the eighth floor and two retail/restaurant spaces on the first. She emphasized what a positive sign this is for the revitalization of the downtown area, and credited the Detroit Economic Growth Corp. (DEGC) for its assistance in promoting Detroit’s many attractive features and benefits.

Health Plan of Michigan is a privately-owned, physician-managed Medicaid health plan. It has more than 130,000 enrollees and operates in 41 countries. It was recognized by US News & World Report as 10th in the nation among all Medicaid health plans and has achieved an excellent accreditation from the National Committee for Quality Assurance (NCQA).

Jeffrey Bell and Mark Collins of CB Richard Ellis represented Redico. Gary Jonna of Whitehall Realty represented Health Plan of Michigan for the deal.


http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=A716793A3E8228ADA0C0DC861BDDFF45

testdrive
Dec 16, 2007, 6:04 PM
I was wondering if you had heard anything about the text book issue in the Detroit schools. I was talking with friends who live there and they said something about new text books being "found" in a warehouse that were never distributed. It makes it more difficult to lure people to move into the city when the school system is near collapse. The Detroit Free Press had an article in it a while back that said 47% of the population is functionally illiterate. Where is the outrage to this? I haven't heard of any of the high profile civil rights leaders say anything about this or anyone for that fact. How can a mayor of a city that size and a govenor of an important state get away with this? Isn't that one of their fundemental responsibilities? If Detroit is to make a serious comeback there has to be a total overhall of the schools. Ok enough of my ranting....... btw have a happy holiday.....:cheers:

cgrski
Dec 18, 2007, 9:47 PM
Drove by Motor City Casino today. Looks like a lot of the exterior is going up. They also had what looked like the MCC logo ready to put up. Maybe on the hotel tower.

detroit_alive
Dec 19, 2007, 3:26 AM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/UPDATE/712180448

*Argonaut Campus Developer LLC, Detroit: The College for Creative Studies (CCS) will use a $10 million state brownfield tax credit and state and local tax capture valued at $11.2 million to transform the Argonaut Building located at 485 West Milwaukee Ave. in Detroit's New Center into a mixed-use campus for art and design education. General Motors Corp. will donate the Argonaut Building to CCS for the redevelopment, which will house CCS's new graduate programs, programs for middle and high school students, dormitory facilities for 261 students and studios. The development will include retail and office space for non-profit organizations and an incubator/accelerator for start-up businesses in design and creative industries. The project is expected to generate capital investment in excess of $120 million and create 200 jobs.

*FRBD LLC, Detroit: The developer will use a $1.3 million state brownfield tax credit to convert the historic Federal Reserve Building located at 160 W. Fort St. in Detroit's Central Business District into 84 one and two-bedroom apartments with retail and commercial space. The project is expected to generate more than $20.2 million in capital investment and create 12 jobs.

*Gardenview Estates Detroit: A state brownfield tax credit valued at $3.9 million will support Norstar Development USA in the initial stage of a multi-phase residential and mixed-use redevelopment of the former Herman Gardens Public Housing Complex at the corner of Joy Road and the Southfield Freeway in northwest Detroit. The first 186 rental units will be completed in three phases over the next four to five years. This phase of the project supported by the brownfield credit is expected to generate more than $42.3 million in capital investment and create five jobs. The overall plan approved by the Detroit Housing Commission is a $227.2 million mixed-use, mixed-income development consisting of 920 residential units, commercial/retail space, a central park and the recently completed NFL Boys and Girls Club.

*Piquette Square and Southwest Housing Solutions, Detroit: The developers will use a $1.7 million state brownfield tax credit to redevelop an industrial site on Piquette St. in Detroit that once housed the Studebaker Manufacturing Facility and the Detroit Artillery Armory. The project involves construction of a four-story building with 150 supportive housing units for homeless veterans and retail and commercial space. The project is expected to generate $20 million in capital investment and create 22 jobs.

*Tireman & Epworth Properties, Detroit: The city of Detroit will utilize state and local tax capture valued at $753,000 to support the redevelopment of 7.3 acres at the corner of Tireman and Epworth streets in northwest Detroit. The project includes the demolition of two blighted buildings, the renovation of two viable ones and the removal of debris and contaminated soil to make way for the expansion of Parts Galore, an auto parts salvage business. The site will also house a new towing company to support its parent company's operations. The project will generate $1.97 million in capital investment and create up to 25 jobs.

*Urban Development Company LLC, Detroit: The developer will use a state brownfield tax credit valued at $1.5 million to transform the former Globe Trading Building and Detroit Dry Docks Engine Works on Atwater St. in Detroit north of the marina in Tri Centennial State Park into a mixed-use development with 64 new loft condos, 28 loft apartments, retail/commercial space and indoor parking. The Michigan Department of Natural Resources has proposed locating a visitor's center for the park in the building. The project is expected to generate $17 million in capital investment and create up to 75 jobs.

*North Woodward Garden Block Development, Detroit: A state brownfield tax credit valued at $2.2 million will support the development group revitalize a blighted block on the west side of Woodward between Mack and Warren in Detroit. The project involves the restoration of the Garden Theatre and the Blue Moon Building. The theater will be returned to its original use and the Blue Moon will house a new restaurant. A new, three-story building will be constructed with retail and commercial space. Plans also call for a 300-space parking garage. The project will generate $28.7 million in capital investment and create more than 200 jobs.

gsgeorge
Dec 22, 2007, 7:47 PM
Two things to report.

A) Rumors are that the Film Exchange Building (Cass and Montcalm just south of I-75) is being cleaned out for rehab. Crews have been moving debris and rubbish out of the building today.

B) Also, the Fisher Theater is being renovated. From today's Detroit News:

Fisher Theater overhaul in wings (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071222/ENT01/712220354)

$3.5M renovation to add seats, fix up facility could leave venue dark for most of 2008.
Lawrence B. Johnson / Special to The Detroit News

The Fisher Theatre could close for six months, beginning in late February, for a $3.5 million renovation that would improve backstage amenities, add restroom facilities and increase the auditorium's seating capacity.

The project will be paid for by the Nederlander Co., which presents an annual series of nationally touring shows at the Fisher under the banner "Broadway in Detroit."

The 2007-08 season will stop in late February, with the close of "Mamma Mia." That's when work crews will begin sprucing up the old theater in a project that will continue into November, said Alan Lichtenstein, Nederlander's executive director.

"We're fixing the joint up," Lichtenstein said Friday. "The women are going to love us. We're giving them 16 new restroom stalls."

Other renovation plans call for updating the backstage technology, expanding dressing rooms, adding spaces for party rental and increasing the number of auditorium seats to 2,400 from fewer than 2,100.

It would be the first substantial renovation of the theater since it was leased by the Nederlander Co. in 1961 -- just after the theater was converted from its original purpose, as a vaudeville and movie palace, to a legitimate stage for $3.5 million.

Lichtenstein offered the first glimpse of a high-powered 2008-09 "Broadway in Detroit" season that he sees opening in November with the award-winning musical "Avenue Q."

The lineup already booked for a refurbished Fisher includes "Jersey Boys," "A Chorus Line" and "Wicked."

The Fisher Building, designed by Albert Kahn and opened in 1928, is now owned by the Farbman Group, but Nederlander Chief Operating Officer Ray Harris said any improvements to the theater would be paid for by Nederlander, which is in the second year of a new 30-year lease on the venue.

Harris cautioned the renovation plan is still tentative and that it could be scrapped.

"It's a bit premature to be talking about this before we've revisited a number of issues with the architects," Harris said.

A final decision on whether to proceed probably will be made in January, he said.

Lawrence B. Johnson is a Detroit-based cultural writer and critic. He can be reached at lawrencebj@gmail.com.

subterranean
Dec 26, 2007, 10:28 PM
Any new developments of note my friends?

detmi7mile
Dec 31, 2007, 6:15 AM
Any new developments of note my friends?

Yes, but not good news...The Griswold project is scrapped:

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071231/BIZ/712310362

zuelas
Dec 31, 2007, 10:39 AM
Well that sucks but it's not totally a wash.... it sounds like they're still planning on make the structure strong enough to support the condo floors on top when a better time comes along. That's the important part IMO. Hopefully things won't continue declining for too much longer and the project can go forward cuz if those views couldn't be sold, I'd be nervous about the success of other less dramatic proposals. Dammit- I was really looking forward to watching this one go up as planned.

Also, the article mentioned the Lafayette and maybe a Quicken connection. Since so many projects seem to have a Quicken angle, can we get them to put a satellite office or something around the MCS to get that going too!

EuphoricOctopus
Dec 31, 2007, 9:21 PM
Not surprised at all about the condos being scrapped. It's not that people don't want to move downtown; it's just the housing market sucks here and everywhere. A lot of cities around the nation are scaling back condo projects even Atlanta.

DetroitSky
Jan 1, 2008, 1:57 AM
Some development shots I took yesterday...

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020373.jpg
Studio One Apartments under construction
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020374.jpg
Everything on the block on the right, dubbed the North Woodward Garden Block, is due to be renovated
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020390.jpg
Construction in Brush Park
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020426.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020431.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020435.jpg
Restorations on Erskine Street
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020442.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020445.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020448.jpg
Restorations on Alfred Street
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020449.jpg
Ransom Gillis House
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020456.jpg
2639 John R. What's going in here? Lofts?
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020462.jpg
Restoration on Adelaide Street
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020488.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020495.jpg
The Book-Cadillac
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020499.jpg
Work being done on the Gabriel Richard Building. I didn't even know anything was going on here until I drove by yesterday
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020503.jpg
Rosa Parks Transit Center
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020524.jpg
CC Bar
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020538.jpg
Motor City Casino finishing up
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020574.jpg
A house on Ferry Street getting some work done
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020583.jpg
Not sure which WSU building this is...
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020586.jpg
Beethoven Apartments renovation
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w206/urbanex12/Detroit%20Developments/P1020587.jpg
Another development who's name I don't know...

the pope
Jan 1, 2008, 5:53 PM
thanks for the pics!

I think that's the first time I've ever seen the profile of motorcity casino.

detmi7mile
Jan 1, 2008, 8:32 PM
Great pics!! I 'm gonna try to load up some pics I took yesterday...kinda busy at the moment with the Michigan game though right now ;)

the urban politician
Jan 2, 2008, 4:07 AM
Great update.

I haven't been to downtown Detroit in literally many years. I'm sure I'll be surprised by the changes next time I'm there.

hudkina
Jan 2, 2008, 6:51 AM
Nice tour! I can't remember the last time we've had a sunny day...

That view of Nine on Third (the last picture) makes it look nicer than it normally looks. Also, that building going up at WSU is the new Engineering Development Center or something along those lines.

Exodus
Jan 2, 2008, 2:02 PM
That may be the BEST place for a church. Go to the casino, lose all your money, go next door and pray.

I love the look of the new casinos and the shot in the arm it's given the city but I'm not a fan of the idea of them. Too many people's lives get upended and that's not good for a city that's already fighting so many demons.

Having said that, I did like the contrast of old and new. That's the charm of Greektown.The state has a lottery, horse racing, and Indian based Casino.

DetroitSky
Jan 2, 2008, 3:48 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone!

Michi
Jan 4, 2008, 5:20 PM
Nice job capturing the progress, DetroitSky. I have some duplications in my update that I'll just post anyway. :tup:

Pictures: Friday December 28, 2007 | Posted: Friday January 04, 2008

South University Village - still pretty much looks the same
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070012.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070013.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070014.jpg

From Garfield Street
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070019.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070021.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070022.jpg

The vehicle garage slip.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070023.jpg

Greektown Casino Hotel Tower - about half way done
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070015.jpg

From Campus Martius
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070046.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070051.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070053.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070054.jpg

Lafayette expansion over the boulevard.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070055.jpg

Installing the brickwork.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070056.jpg

From the back
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070057.jpg

From Lafayette Park
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070069.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070079.jpg

From Eastern Market
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070087.jpg

From Gratiot
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070090.jpg

From St. Antoine
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070092.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070093.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070094.jpg

Engineering School Addition - Wayne State University. It is built on the north side of Warren diagonal from Old Main.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070016.jpg

For instance, this is looking north toward the Fisher Building and Anthony Wayne Drive (3rd Street) is just to the left.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070018.jpg

The Bethoven renovation at 3rd and Prentis, Midtown
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070024.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070025.jpg

New city retail at the MidMed Lofts.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070026.jpg

Wayne State Univ. DMC Medical Expansion Project - (adjacent to Detroit Receiving along Canfield).
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070027.jpg

Brush Park North - John R & Erskine Streets (Patterson Terrace on the left (renovation soon??))
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070028.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070029.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070030.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070031.jpg

LaMar Loft Development, Brush Park - just weeks ago it did not have a roof or windows and was rotting on the inside.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070032.jpg

Private caretaking in Brush Park.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070033.jpg

Infill opportunities that Crosswinds is going to pollute w/ low-density, cookie cutter suburban poo.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070034.jpg

Crystal Lofts - nearly complete on the exterior.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070035.jpg

Not sure what's happening with the door on the left.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070037.jpg

Motor City Casino - Grand River Avenue. I went inside for the first time and didn't really care much for it. It's very "casino-like" and "loud" w/ the architecture where the MGM is more elegant and subtle while still "wowing" on the interior. Definately prefer the MC exterior though.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070038.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070039.jpg

Current garden theme at the MGM.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070043.jpg

Double Tree Fort-Shelby and condos development - Lafayette Avenue
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070045.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070001.JPG

Westin Book Cadillac - new lower level window detail
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070047.jpg

Conference hall extension.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070048.jpg

A+ on the new facade match!
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070049.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070050.jpg

Dequindre Cut - (rails-to-trails): talk about a total raping of the landscape! It's great to see progress and though I was aware of some bridges coming down I didn't think it was that many.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070058.jpg

Looking south toward Jefferson Avenue.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070059.jpg

North toward Gratiot Avenue.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070060.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070062.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070063.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070064.jpg

You can see the Lafayette Avenue access ramp on the left.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070065.jpg

Some of the old graffiti art is exposed on the old bridge foundations. This one will surely be cleared. The Riverfront Conservancy (overseeing the project) is encouraging graffiti and other art once the Cut is finished, but as long as it is censored.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070066.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070068.jpg

Approaching Eastern Market
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070073.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070074.jpg

Caesar's Casino Windsor Hotel
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070070.jpg

Looking south through Lafayette Park toward the riverfront.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070075.jpg

Just throwing in the semi-new Gratiot Median through Eastern Market for the heck of it.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070081.jpg

I've concluded people don't use crosswalks in Detroit. (see Crystal lofts photo too). ;)
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070082.jpg

Shed 2 - Eastern Market
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070084.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070085.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070088.jpg

I'll give you a jillion dollars if you can guess where this was taken.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070096.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070098.jpg

Eph McNally's - new storefront sign...near Comerica Tower.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070109.jpg

...and that's it this time around. I'll look for a nice, clear day sometime in the future for the next go round.

al2six
Jan 4, 2008, 5:41 PM
thx for the update. its cool to see the lamarr building nearing completition. i remember seeing it a few years ago... no windows, no roof, no floors. it was nothing but a shell of a building

toog05
Jan 4, 2008, 7:17 PM
Gratiot has so much potential!

toog05
Jan 4, 2008, 7:44 PM
Michi, I think that photo was taken from the YMCA

the pope
Jan 5, 2008, 12:42 AM
Michi, I think that photo was taken from the YMCA

please tell me your response is sarcastic.

Also, did i seriously see Pirates of the Caribbean graffiti?

hudkina
Jan 5, 2008, 8:48 AM
And here I was thinking it was the YWCA!!

Michi
Jan 5, 2008, 5:26 PM
Actually, hudkina was the closest, but still wrong. The first two kids I photoshopped upside down. They are actually an N and a W so that means I get to keep my jillion dollars!

Thanks for playing.

EuphoricOctopus
Jan 5, 2008, 8:13 PM
I drove past the MGM christmas display about two nights ago and the lighted up trees where having an epileptic rave. Awesome update Michi.

apbest
Jan 6, 2008, 4:51 AM
new $150 million entertainment/retail complex planned for Detroit

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/BUSINESS04/801060626

DetroitSky
Jan 6, 2008, 5:02 AM
You beat me to it, apbest.

GREAT news!

Exodus
Jan 6, 2008, 11:14 AM
Damn Michi, that's one of THE most interesting threads I've seen.:tup:
BTW, The Motor City Casino turned out better than I thought, and it looks as though it will be the best looking and most interesting looking out of the three.:tup:

Also, I remember how most people were putting these down when they were first announced.http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070030.jpgNow, look at them. I told everyone they would look great and fit in.

midwestcityfan
Jan 6, 2008, 4:38 PM
new $150 million entertainment/retail complex planned for Detroit

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/BUSINESS04/801060626


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/2171587745_85554b79f1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2096/2171587813_c2a2097aa5_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2172377974_2b3edac92f_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2385/2172378030_07f6c938ed_o.jpg

From the article:
With a striking design that could become a new architectural icon for the city, Cadillac Centre would include two, 24-story apartment towers connected by a 12-story link that would house a six-screen movie theater, health club and spa, restaurants and stores.

Michi
Jan 6, 2008, 8:59 PM
I think this must be the mayor's highly anticipated announcement that we've been waiting for for a little over a month now. I think it's a great project and something I've envisioned at the Monroe Block to compliment the rest of Campus Martius.

Hopefully, all of the cheesy signs and names will be phased out as the project develops and comes closer to fruition. I really hope that it is not downscaled in any way and only sustained as is or improves. This is definately something to look forward to in the next 1-5 years! :)

SIDE NOTE: As I drove by the Book Cadillace yesterday, I noticed more progress on the 3-level banquet addition and it appears that the lower facade is the stone and the rest is a nice small, yellowish-gold brick that compliments the yellowish-gold brick on the Book Cadillac. Should be a really nice contrast!

hudkina
Jan 6, 2008, 10:07 PM
The Valet sign probably won't be as huge, but I wouldn't doubt we'll see a large Marquee displaying "AMC Campus Martius 6" or whatever...

midwestcityfan
Jan 6, 2008, 10:27 PM
Is that blue-ish facade on the Book Cadillac supposed to be new glass? What the hell is that?

Michi
Jan 6, 2008, 11:28 PM
You mean the Cadillac Tower?

Your guess is as good as mine and I can't even think of a reason the architect would have even thought of it in the first place. Yah, it matches the new development, but why? I think the old and new contrast would be much more fitting. A glass wall on an old skyscraper "just cuz" seems to taint the true value of being next to an old historic highrise like that.

NewRussia
Jan 7, 2008, 1:52 AM
im glad to see detroit making progress even though it is still in turmoil.

Exodus
Jan 7, 2008, 3:06 AM
I think this must be the mayor's highly anticipated announcement that we've been waiting for for a little over a month now. I think it's a great project and something I've envisioned at the Monroe Block to compliment the rest of Campus Martius.

Hopefully, all of the cheesy signs and names will be phased out as the project develops and comes closer to fruition. I really hope that it is not downscaled in any way and only sustained as is or improves. This is definately something to look forward to in the next 1-5 years! :)

SIDE NOTE: As I drove by the Book Cadillace yesterday, I noticed more progress on the 3-level banquet addition and it appears that the lower facade is the stone and the rest is a nice small, yellowish-gold brick that compliments the yellowish-gold brick on the Book Cadillac. Should be a really nice contrast!20 stories of cheesiness, no thanks.

themapman
Jan 7, 2008, 4:20 PM
That is the kind of development that just doesn't happen in Detroit. I was floored when I saw the news yesterday.

Northern Group has a pretty strong track record (then again, so did Kimberley-Clark), but I'm not sure I can actually believe that they aren't asking the city for any incentives. Even in booming markets like Dallas incentives are getting handed out all the time.

Attracting the retailers will be the biggest issue here, and I'm sure that's why they aren't even planning a groundbreaking until late 2009 - give them plenty of time to get retailers on board (or not) before they break ground (or not). If it happens, I can't wait, and it might show that Downtown Detroit has finally hit a positive tipping point and can maybe really take off.

(Architecture is ugly as sin, but Detroit doesn't have much PoMo to say the least, and beggars can't be choosers).

vanwassh
Jan 8, 2008, 4:17 AM
Michi-thanks for the update. It is very much appreciated.

subterranean
Jan 8, 2008, 6:01 AM
You mean the Cadillac Tower?

Your guess is as good as mine and I can't even think of a reason the architect would have even thought of it in the first place. Yah, it matches the new development, but why? I think the old and new contrast would be much more fitting. A glass wall on an old skyscraper "just cuz" seems to taint the true value of being next to an old historic highrise like that.

Whole heartedly disagree with you there. you have to look what's on that facade currently. A blank wall that is only adverts. I think from the angle of Campus Martius the wall will look quite striking, and from an angle you will see the old and new. It's actually my favorite idea of the project and required a lot of daring and foresight by the designer.

My only worry is that during and after the construction, Detroiters and Michiganians are going to get into quite a few car accidents on the circle caused only by their awe and disbelief at what the area has accomplished.

Exodus
Jan 8, 2008, 7:10 AM
Whole heartedly disagree with you there. you have to look what's on that facade currently. A blank wall that is only adverts. I think from the angle of Campus Martius the wall will look quite striking, and from an angle you will see the old and new. It's actually my favorite idea of the project and required a lot of daring and foresight by the designer.

My only worry is that during and after the construction, Detroiters and Michiganians are going to get into quite a few car accidents on the circle caused only by their awe and disbelief at what the area has accomplished.According to the drawings, the glass is not on the blank side, and you can actually see windows under that glass cladding. I know this is an early rendering, and it will probably be modified, but the drawing does show it covering a window side.http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2172377974_2b3edac92f_o.jpg So no, this glass cladding there would suck.

BTW, Here's a video of the mayor discussing the project.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/VIDEO01/80105072

EuphoricOctopus
Jan 8, 2008, 7:15 AM
My only worry is that during and after the construction, Detroiters and Michiganians are going to get into quite a few car accidents on the circle caused only by their awe and disbelief at what the area has accomplished.

Nothing can top the MotorCity Casino and the Fox sign while driving on 75.

illbred
Jan 8, 2008, 6:52 PM
The Photo update was sweet, when i drive by I can never look at the developments as long as I want (unless I want to total my car!)... The Cadillac Center looks sweet, I think around 2011-2012 Detroit is gonna look a lot different! ...just compare 1997 to 2007!

robk1982
Jan 8, 2008, 7:15 PM
I don't know how so many of you are missing this, but the renderings show glass being added to TWO (count them, two) sides of the Cadillac building, one being the windowless side.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/2171587745_85554b79f1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2172377974_2b3edac92f_o.jpg

Austinlee
Jan 8, 2008, 7:21 PM
Nice modern complex renderings... I feel that could be the perfect kind of project to contrast one of the best historical downtowns in the country. Ya gotta have variety.

subterranean
Jan 9, 2008, 12:03 AM
I don't know how so many of you are missing this, but the renderings show glass being added to TWO (count them, two) sides of the Cadillac building, one being the windowless side.


Thank you, I thought for sure the windowless side was to be covered.

Michi
Jan 9, 2008, 12:51 AM
Also, the towers are going to be taller than what the renderings show. First, they aren't even the 24 stories they're suppose to be. And second, if you ever go down there and envision 2 towers on that site, you'll notice that a lot of Cadillac Tower will be blocked by them...more so than if you were to look at Cadillac Centre and Tower from latitudinal perspective...instead you're looking up at an angle, which will cover a lot of Cadillac Tower.

The glass on the blank side is one thing, but will look even more strange on the other. I think what throws it off is that it stops when it gets to the decorative green windows at the top of the tower. It's cheesey to me.

subterranean
Jan 9, 2008, 1:37 AM
Also, the towers are going to be taller than what the renderings show. First, they aren't even the 24 stories they're suppose to be. And second, if you ever go down there and envision 2 towers on that site, you'll notice that a lot of Cadillac Tower will be blocked by them...more so than if you were to look at Cadillac Centre and Tower from latitudinal perspective...instead you're looking up at an angle, which will cover a lot of Cadillac Tower.

The glass on the blank side is one thing, but will look even more strange on the other. I think what throws it off is that it stops when it gets to the decorative green windows at the top of the tower. It's cheesey to me.

Completely agree with you on that last point. I guess we'll just have to see. As long as it's not effing up the facade underneath, we could always throw some bricks at it.

hudkina
Jan 9, 2008, 5:02 AM
I think it would be kind of neat if they made them massive LCD screens similar to the ones you see on buildings in New York and Tokyo where they can put interactive ads or whatever on them. Those two sides are clearly visible from Comerica Park as well as from much of the city to the north.

themapman
Jan 9, 2008, 7:26 PM
Also, the towers are going to be taller than what the renderings show. First, they aren't even the 24 stories they're suppose to be. And second, if you ever go down there and envision 2 towers on that site, you'll notice that a lot of Cadillac Tower will be blocked by them...more so than if you were to look at Cadillac Centre and Tower from latitudinal perspective...instead you're looking up at an angle, which will cover a lot of Cadillac Tower.

Actually, I think the drawing has the height correct, even if they didn't draw in all the floors on the rendering. An estimation based on the height of 24 stories of the Cadillac Tower:

http://lh4.google.com/themapman/R4UfyeYNLPI/AAAAAAAABN4/uKAqIvJIlZ4/change.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/themapman/InternetRandomness/photo#5153560300603911410

How many Cadillac buildings does this make? Cadillac Tower, Cadillac Square (GM Building), Cadillac Centre....

subterranean
Jan 9, 2008, 7:27 PM
I think it would be kind of neat if they made them massive LCD screens similar to the ones you see on buildings in New York and Tokyo where they can put interactive ads or whatever on them. Those two sides are clearly visible from Comerica Park as well as from much of the city to the north.

I bet it will happen eventually, somewhere in the Campus Martius vicinity, especially as prices for such large screens continue to decline. That would definitely add an element of dimension/place. The area reminds me more of a smaller Union Square (NY), though, without the connected neighborhoods or subway station.

Michi
Jan 15, 2008, 3:35 AM
Here are a few more renderings from this week's Model D:

A great aerial drawing showing the density of the vacinity.
http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter1.jpg

From Monroe Street in front of Compuware.
http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter3.jpg

Closer detail.
http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter6.jpg

Check out the newest article at Model D Media:

http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/caddy12608.aspx

the pope
Jan 15, 2008, 5:02 PM
god i love me some pizza-burgers.

Exodus
Jan 15, 2008, 9:46 PM
In that article it says that the design will probably be refined a little, which means they will naturally refine this raw design, but it won't really be modified. They want to bridge Detroits past to its future. So it looks like this is what Detroit is going to be stuck with. It says that some peoples concern is that the design will age quickly once the newness wheres off, which means it could be to future generations like the glass boxes are to our generation, and that is also my concern. We can only wait and see.

hudkina
Jan 15, 2008, 10:28 PM
I don't think the glass boxes are as bad as people think. I actually like One Woodward and 1001 Woodward. Sure DTE Plaza is boring, but it certainly isn't ugly and even the Chase Building isn't bad. And as far as this design, I don't think it'll ever be considered "ugly" based on age alone. People will either like it or hate it for its own merits now and in the future. It's the same for the Ren Cen. People either like it or hate it, but despite the fact it was built over 30 years ago is irrelevant.

UglymanCometh
Jan 15, 2008, 10:52 PM
I dun kno... the more I look at it, the more it grows on me.

I think that this may age well, as long as they maintain the facade (which I'm sure they will)

Exodus
Jan 16, 2008, 7:42 AM
Actually, I think the drawing has the height correct, even if they didn't draw in all the floors on the rendering. An estimation based on the height of 24 stories of the Cadillac Tower:

http://lh4.google.com/themapman/R4UfyeYNLPI/AAAAAAAABN4/uKAqIvJIlZ4/change.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/themapman/InternetRandomness/photo#5153560300603911410

How many Cadillac buildings does this make? Cadillac Tower, Cadillac Square (GM Building), Cadillac Centre....Book Cadillac Hotel

direfloyd
Jan 16, 2008, 12:50 PM
I saw this article this morning about the purchase of the 1001 Woodward. Hopefully he'll get moving on restoring it!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/METRO/801160380

I saw you guys have been talking about this building so sorry if you already knew this, maybe there is some new info.

al2six
Jan 16, 2008, 1:42 PM
can't believe no one else has mentioned this yet... no glass wall on the cadillac tower: http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter1.jpg

the pope
Jan 16, 2008, 4:45 PM
can't believe no one else has mentioned this yet... no glass wall on the cadillac tower: http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter1.jpg

because nothing says "facts" like architect's rendering.

Hell, this aerial leads me to believe that detroit has no surface parking lots either!

Exodus
Jan 16, 2008, 7:11 PM
can't believe no one else has mentioned this yet... no glass wall on the cadillac tower: http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter1.jpgFirst of all, the renderings are a rough draft. Second of all, if they do put glass on the wall, it will be on the other side that you can barely see from this angle.

al2six
Jan 16, 2008, 7:26 PM
because nothing says "facts" like architect's rendering.

Hell, this aerial leads me to believe that detroit has no surface parking lots either!i never said that the tower wouldn't get a glass wall and i never said anything about facts. i simply pointed out that one rendering didn't include it. All of the original renderings published by the Freep included the glass wall, so I thought this rendering would provide some hope for those who don't want to see a historic building changed. I thought people would be smart enough to connect the dots on their own.

And it's silly to discount it because it's only a rendering since that's all we have to go by right now (unless you have some blue prints, in which case please share :) ). This rendering is just as valid as any other, so you have just as much reason to believe there won't be a glass wall as you do to believe there will be one.

al2six
Jan 16, 2008, 7:34 PM
First of all, the renderings are a rough draft. Second of all, if they do put glass on the wall, it will be on the other side that you can barely see from this angle.Well you can tell that the barely visible wall isn't blue. And there are renderings showing glass on two walls. If i'm not mistaken, isn't the most visible side in that rendering the same side of the building that is covered in glass here:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2172377974_2b3edac92f_o.jpg
correct me if i'm wrong... the building is so irregularly shaped and you can't see the streets, so it's kind of tough for me to tell which side is which.

edit: this thought just occurred to me... the windows under the glass in that above pic do not look like they fit on a glass wall... i'd expect glass windows on a glass wall to be flush, and they aren't in this rendering. is it possible that this is just supposed to be sun light shining through the glass on the cadillac centre giving the tower a blueish tint?

hudkina
Jan 17, 2008, 12:14 AM
I doubt it. My guess is that the developer asked the designer if it would be possible to put a faux glass facade on the "bare" side of Cadillac Tower. The artist designed what it could possibly look like, despite the chance that the developer might scrap the idea.

Then the artist probably accicentally put it on the wrong side in that one image (if you look it's not there in any of the other renderings) and then again forget to put it on the "bare" side in that overhead shot. My guess is that only one side would get the faux facade and that would be the side that faces Campus Martius Park. On the other hand, this could possibly be one of the first cutbacks as the reality of the costs sets in. Why spend millions of dollars on recladding the Cadillac Tower when you could use that money elsewhere in the project.

jodelli
Jan 23, 2008, 4:19 AM
Actually, I think the drawing has the height correct, even if they didn't draw in all the floors on the rendering. An estimation based on the height of 24 stories of the Cadillac Tower:

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http://picasaweb.google.com/themapman/InternetRandomness/photo#5153560300603911410

How many Cadillac buildings does this make? Cadillac Tower, Cadillac Square (GM Building), Cadillac Centre....

Cadillac Square Apartments. (1927) across Bates from the Cadillac Tower.

jodelli

Exodus
Jan 24, 2008, 8:47 AM
Cadillac Square Apartments. (1927) across Bates from the Cadillac Tower.

jodelliBook Cadillac Hotel

Jai
Jan 28, 2008, 9:07 AM
I absufrigginglutely love the glass cladding on Cadillac Tower. It's cutting edge, futuristic, yet still respects the dignity and architecture of the tower. Too many redevelopment projects rip the soul up out of old buildings, but that is damn classy!

Dequindre Cut - (rails-to-trails): talk about a total raping of the landscape! It's great to see progress and though I was aware of some bridges coming down I didn't think it was that many.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070058.jpg

Looking south toward Jefferson Avenue.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/detroitmay/2007_1228Detroit12_28_070059.jpg

North toward Gratiot Avenue.
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Thats nuts. I grew up in that area... I remember tagging the bridges as a kid

Jesus... they're not ripping up all the old bridges are they??!? Anyone interested in urban archeology or the art of graffiti and tagging would totally agree with me when I say I hope to hell they're going to leave them.

They better not destroy the ambiance of the place. Granted, it was dirty, but even as a kid I loved the spooky look of the cut during a cold, snowy midnight. I wish I had a camera then.... but it was being born and raised in D Town which made me appreciate architecture and urbanity....


Sorry to get all nostalgic and blah for what is essentially a hole in the ground but... damn... its like seeing your old house unceremoniously ripped the f*** up! :eek:

Superb pics man... I hope they know what they are doing....

-Jai

EuphoricOctopus
Jan 28, 2008, 12:08 PM
Gourmet grocer to open inside lofts building on Woodward

January 28, 2008
BY GRETA GUEST
FREE PRESS BUSINESS (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/BUSINESS06/801280333/1002#) WRITER


A chance meeting last summer between a developer (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/BUSINESS06/801280333/1002#) and an entrepreneur will bring a gourmet grocer to Detroit's Midtown neighborhood in March.

Cindy Warner was talking about Zaccaro's Market, just launched last June in Charlevoix, at Andiamo's at the General Motors Renaissance Center when Dwight Belyue walked by.

"He heard me talk about the Charlevoix store at the bar and he tapped me on the shoulder and said I should try it in Detroit," Warner said.

The market plans to open on the first floor of Belyue's Crystal Lofts development at Woodward and Watson. The project will have 17 lofts ranging in size from 890 square feet to 2,200 square feet and range in price from $189,000 to $450,000. The first units will be ready in February, he said.

"Everywhere we go, Cindy is getting so much acknowledgement and appreciation, it's unbelievable," Belyue said. "It's been a need for a long time. There are a lot of housing units coming online in this area, and there's nowhere to get good food."

Zaccaro's Market will take 6,500 square feet for its store.

Warner, a management consultant and managing partner of Northpointe Food Ventures of Traverse City, plans to expand Zaccaro's in Detroit and is looking at other sites. The market gets its name from her mother's family.

"I tend to have a pretty high throttle," Warner said. "We are looking at a location on Jefferson, and we are keeping our eye on retail space at the new Cadillac Centre. We would love to be a big presence in Detroit."

The market specializes in prepared foods such as whitefish pâté, chicken curry salad and roasted pork loin. It also will run a full catering operation and take orders online for pickup. A sommelier will help customers with wine selections.

It also is to feature high-end grocery selections such as seafood, olive oils, cheese, bakery items, produce, dairy and frozen foods. The deli will feature 70 imported meats and 100 cheeses.

Warner said her first location in Detroit at Crystal Lofts gives her great visibility on Woodward at Watson and should attract customers who work downtown and live nearby.

Belyue expects it will draw shoppers from Indian Village on the east and also from northwest Detroit.

Warner said she expects to hire 25 people to staff the store. Depending on how the catering business goes, that could add another 25 jobs (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/BUSINESS06/801280333/1002#).

"It's a great amenity," Belyue said of the market. "I think it's going to help us sell units. Having that store there is unbelievable. Everyone in the area wants this market."

Contact GRETA GUEST at 313-223-4192 or gguest@freepress.com.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/BUSINESS06/801280333/1002

Michi
Jan 29, 2008, 12:02 AM
I bike past there everyday and am waiting to see activity on the inside that indicates they are "building" the store. So far, no sign and it is FAR from there being any sort of opening in March. Then again, March means May in Detroiterms...which it's still fully capable of. ;)

Btw, the Griswold Garage officially began above-ground construction today. The corner of Michigan and Griswold has the first section errected. It still looks somewhat like the rendering, so that's good!

Michi
Jan 31, 2008, 1:59 AM
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Parking Garages!!!
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080007.jpg

The Griswold Garage.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080012.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080014.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080008.jpg

Awesome masonry on the Book Cadillac extension.
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080004.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080011.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080013.jpg

http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080015.jpg

Greektown Casino just as tall as it ever was...putt, putt, putt...
http://downtownmotown.8k.com/Universities/2008_0130DetRall01_30_080010.jpg

I FROZE my bottom off for those photos!

hudkina
Jan 31, 2008, 9:21 AM
It was cold today! It seems that all of the warmer days are rainy...

I can't wait until Spring.;)

Michi
Feb 6, 2008, 2:57 AM
A virtual walk over the new Bagley Pedestrian Bridge at the Ambassador Bridge Gateway Project. (I REALLY wish MDOT would have invested in a vehicle bridge).
http://mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/mivideo/mivideo.cfm?vidId=5

http://michigan.gov/images/mdot/MDOT_bagelybridge_sm_190578_7.jpg
Property of MDOT

The place is a mess right now as it is being prepared for a 2-year shut down. But you can see the progress on the perimeter walls and such. Construction of the pedestrian bridge is reported to begin in March 2008.

Patrick
Feb 6, 2008, 3:01 AM
http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%20126/Cadillac%20Center/CadillacCenter1.jpg

What the hell is this? Horrid!

Michi
Feb 6, 2008, 3:18 AM
It's Phoenix.

Michi
Feb 6, 2008, 3:23 AM
Not sure if this was posted before, but thought I would thow it in.
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The Watermark currently has a 9-month extension on its presale schedule because the negative effects of the housing market are making it difficult to sell the units. Kinda red flagish, but we'll keep our fingers crossed.

Patrick
Feb 6, 2008, 3:28 AM
It's Phoenix.

Is thats what its called? Thats hella ugly.

Michi
Feb 6, 2008, 3:50 AM
A few other videos to chew on:

Detroit development from the perspective of the locals.

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subterranean
Feb 6, 2008, 6:06 AM
Those videos are awesome. I love the trend toward creative and positive PR through video, for Detroit and all of Michigan. I'm also proud that MSHDA supports Model D.