[StevenW]

Very encouraging article, indeed. :yes: :)

[marcus]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5543/88900142bk4.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2048/74016010hi6.jpg

(probably been posted, just want to refresh them :))

Are four seasons/ Legg mason under construction?
if so, when is the completion date

thanks in advance!

and bmorescottamanda (pretty sure the same one who started this thread) said she likes these more than 10 IH and i must agree! I can't wait for these beautys!

[hi123]

^ yep they both started construction a couple of months ago I think :tup:
They should be finished in late 2009.

[StevenW]

:previous: you are correct. :)

[marcus]

someone at ssc jusst made me realize that these will be the first glass skyscrapers in baltimore in a long time! yay bmore!

and heres just one more rendering

http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/99263-400-0.jpg?rev=2

[OfCourse]

Whoa. Those look great!

[StevenW]

Yep! :D I love those buildings! :yes: :)
Very good-looking. :)

[BrooklynChulo90]

Although the idea of bringing Taller skyscrapers in Baltimore seems like a fairly good idea,its also not;at the moment.I Agree that we do need Taller and better looking skyscrapers to brighten Baltimore's skyline but than again, I ALSO disagree.Baltimore should put more spending on MORE important things like taking the CRIME out of our streets.We also need the money for our Poor School Board so we could help all of our students that are in need of Dire help.Its a VERY selfish thing to spend $500 million dollars on a 750 ft skyscraper when a WHOLE lot of other things could be used with that kind of money.I Mean Just think about it,how are you going to attract people from other cities if they already have a bad impression of Baltimore with its poor streets and Failing school Board.If Baltimore clears up all the danger and puts more effort towards helping the school board,than I would Definitely OK the idea of constructing Tall Skyscrapers,but at this time,it seems like a very unsafe and selfish idea.We don't need them at the moment.I Mean I've been waiting for the longest time to see a building taller than a mere 529 ft(Legg Mason) but I also gave it some thought that we need those $500 million dollars for something else.If anyone cares to disagree,please reply back!

[StevenW]

Realistically, these developers are helping the city by spending major cash on these huge projects. It creates jobs and another tax base. These taxes help contribute to more spending for the city for schools and other infrastructure. The money has to come from somewhere. Would you rather it come from residents only?
True, the city of Baltimore, like so many others, is dealing with some harsh times with drug use, crime and the like. And schools are trying their best with what money that Federal, State and Local government is giving them. But big projects like what Arcwheeler, UrbanAmerica, SBER, Pat Turner, Ed Hale and Richard Naing, to name a few, are proposing and building, helps the city generate more $$$ by investing in Baltimore's future. More money- for the city, more people- to buy Baltimore goods and services, and more good PR- to help lure more businesses and residents. The heights of these building are really just for image/PR. Taller, quality architecture attracts people. :)

[MasonsInquiries]

:previous: :worship: :notacrook:

[BrooklynChulo90]

If Emporis says they're Approved,than that's definitely a GO!I will check the construction sites very soon.They probably have started contruction but I haven't seen it yet.I Agree about the Glass structure,It looks Fabulous.Definitely a new and Different look to Baltimore.Looks like a Miami-Type skyscraper.Vue Harbor East is primarily made of Glass too,but nowhere near as much glass as The Four Seasons and Legg Mason Tower are going to have.I Just can't wait to see them being constructed and i can't wait to see them rise!Its also a great site to see that the Four Seasons is right by the Marriott Hotel and that alone will bring so much to Baltimore and it will be Great Competition between Both Hotels.By The time the Four Seasons is built,I think the Marriott will still carry the title for Better Hotel because it usually takes some time for new businesses to attract customers.So the Marriott is in no danger for losing business,at least not anytime soon.The Legg Mason Tower will be completed by 2009 giving that it will be smaller than the Four Seasons.If they started constructing,its most likely the Four Seasons hotel because it will take more time constructing it considering than the Legg Mason Tower will be over 100 ft smaller.Giving that the Legg Mason will be 100 ft smaller,it will be completed in 2009 and the Four Seasons will be completed in 2010,so it will take a while.Time and Patience is the only thing needed here because its for sure that they WILL be built :) :cheers: :D

[BrooklynChulo90]

I just thought of something.The Legg Mason building that we have now will be relocated to the one that there building in Harbor East.So what are the going to do with regular building?Its a big question that's a mystery.In My Opinion,The should Demolish it and put the 10 Inner Harbor right there.But than again,I know thats impossible to do considering that Demolishing a 529ft tower can be very dangerous and irritating for Downtown and could also take a lot of time.They're probably thinking of selling it to some other company or they just might give it a Different name.So yea,does anyone REALLY know what they're going to do with the Normal Legg Mason Building?

[BrooklynChulo90]

O Yea...and about that Westport..I Never even knew that place even existed,and i was raised here!I Guess its always been kept a secret,UNTIL NOW!That skyscraper that stands out on the Westport project,how tall do you guys think that one is?My estimates are like around 450ft but I could be wrong..So what do you guys think?

[StevenW]

That Westport 65 story tower is at least 800 ft. tall. In the end, the design and scale of that tower could change. Higher/bigger or shorter/smaller. We will see. In about two months a website dedicated just to the Westport project will be online. Stay tuned.....

[jason111]

yea what is going into the old legg mason?

[StevenW]

yea what is going into the old legg mason?

Nothing has been said as of yet. I'm anxious to know, too. :yes:

[maudibjr]

I drove north into the city for the first time in quite a while, Silo Pointe With the steel on top has some eye opening height.

[BrooklynChulo90]

The Vue Harbor East has been completed for a while now.I Say for about 5-6 months.I think 414 Water St is completed too,or if not,it almost is.And About 10 Inner Harbor,does it include office space because a 59 story building with condominium Space/Hotel space and little or no office space will only rise to a height of around 650 ft(11ft per ceiling),not 717ft.So Im assuming that it does have some office space?Another thing about the 10 Inner Harbor,I Think it will get FINAL Approval eventually,just not now.Delaying this Final Approval will also change the year of Completion since Emporis.com says it'll be completed in 2010.Looking at this,I Find it physically impossible that It'll be completed in 2010 since the Four Seasons will be completed in Late 2010 and its 44 stories.10 Inner Harbor(59-60 stories) will take a while longer,maybe from late 2011 to early 2012.I Just hope during this time,the Neign Towers are going to be built or at least something thats going to take the title for "tallest building in baltimore" away from 10 Inner Harbor!I Just can't wait until 2015 comes!Hopefully,OUR SKYLINE WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY THIS TIME!!:banana: :cheers: :banana:

[StevenW]

I'm sure it will be different/bigger/better. :)

[BrooklynChulo90]

So the Design Has Changed?If the Design HAS changed,than i hope its for the better.I Didnt want to wait this long for the 10 Inner Harbor to get built just so they would cut down the size.Imagine if they made the 10 Inner Harbor with the height of 530ft(ONLY 1 ft taller than the Legg Mason).THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE!!So Im just hoping that the Design of the 10 Inner Harbor has changed as in they're making it even TALLER than the first rendering/design of 717 ft.Imagine if the final design is set for 800 ft!!That would just make my day!:shrug: :cheers: :shrug:

[jason111]

So the Design Has Changed?If the Design HAS changed,than i hope its for the better.I Didnt want to wait this long for the 10 Inner Harbor to get built just so they would cut down the size.Imagine if they made the 10 Inner Harbor with the height of 530ft(ONLY 1 ft taller than the Legg Mason).THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE!!So Im just hoping that the Design of the 10 Inner Harbor has changed as in they're making it even TALLER than the first rendering/design of 717 ft.Imagine if the final design is set for 800 ft!!That would just make my day!:shrug: :cheers: :shrug:

or even better 1000 ft......not likley at all though.

[StevenW]

:previous: Let's just make it and even 5,280 ft.! :D ;) That would make Dubai really envious. :D

[BTinSF]

Baltimore should put more spending on MORE important things like taking the CRIME out of our streets.We also need the money for our Poor School Board so we could help all of our students that are in need of Dire help.Its a VERY selfish thing to spend $500 million dollars on a 750 ft skyscraper when a WHOLE lot of other things could be used with that kind of money.

Unless Baltimore these days is a unique place, there is no conflict whatever between money spent on skyscrapers and money spent on fighting crime and schools. Quite the contrary. Money spent on skyscrapers (unless they are government projects) is private money and results in a larger tax base which helps pay to fight crime and fund better schools. At a not unusual tax rate of 3 mils ($3/thousand of valuation), a $500 million new building (the $500M coming from a private developer, not the government) should bring the city (or the taxing authority whoever that is) $1.5 million additional dollars per year.

[BrooklynChulo90]

I dont no y i didnt see this before but according to these final renderings,doesnt the 4 seasons actually look taller than 494 ft??It seems like they didnt add the height of the crown or something because I actually think it looks a lot taller than 494 ft.Maybe its because the 4 Seasons has the highest number of floors than any other skyscraper in Baltimore or mayb its just an illusion.If anything,it looks just as tall as the Legg Mason.I Just hope Emporis.com didnt add the crown height which means that the crown would probably make the final height to a total of about 515-520 ft!This is just my opinion but I just hope its true!:tup:

[jason111]

:previous: Let's just make it and even 5,280 ft.! :D ;) That would make Dubai really envious. :D

lol imagine if that actually happened......it would be over 4,000 ft higher than anything else lol....it would be cool though

[30 Floors Up]

Picture of the new Mercy Hospital model.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2007-10/33466195.jpg

[StevenW]

:previous: Cool! :yes:
How much of it will you be able to see from your condo?

[30 Floors Up]

:previous: That is the wrong question. All of it, unfortunately. It will completely block my view of the Washington Monument which is what I want to look at.

BTW, I badgered the sales team into letting me see my unit on the 13th of November so that I can measure all the walls and windows. Of course, I'll get to see the view too. They didn't want to take me up until the final walk through, even though they said they would allow me to do this back in June and again in September.

I asked, is your company building the condos at Canton Crossing? When they said yes, I told them that they didn't honor their commitment to me, on the day the Canton sales center opens I will be the person out front with a picket sign containing a nice message about their company and business practices. My appointment is at 11:00. It's a good thing too because when I say I will do something, I do it.

I also found out that even though the building is not supposed to allow investors, the sales manager purchased a unit on the 26th floor for an "investment". Hmm. Talk about a double standard.

Bush Construction has a very good reputation, but I've found that everything I want from them is a challenge. I wanted full size plans and elevation drawings and the sales team said no. I had to go to their office in Arlington, and after a conversation with a manager, I got them.

I wanted a modification to my bedroom (no walking closet which makes for a much larger room), and they said no. I had to go up the chain of command and when I got high enough, I got the modification I wanted.

And now this. You would think they would realize that I don't like the word "NO" when I am paying this much money for a unit. Hopefully, I will be able to move in January. At this point, they are dreading that no doubt. I hope for their sake that everything is installed correctly and operates well.

[BrooklynChulo90]

Somebody commited Suicide in the Mercy Hospital.He punched out a window and jumped from over 100 ft in the air because he admitted killing his girlfriend...NO LIE.But this has nothing to do with these types of forums.Anywho,does anyone have any new updates for the 10 Inner Harbor Building?I Mean I know it will be built but we need the Final Word on the Final Approval,so do we have that yet?

[StevenW]

Here is an e-mail address you can write and ask them for an update on 10 Inner Harbor: hwheeler@arcwheeler.com

[waj0527]

:previous: That is the wrong question. All of it, unfortunately. It will completely block my view of the Washington Monument which is what I want to look at.

BTW, I badgered the sales team into letting me see my unit on the 13th of November so that I can measure all the walls and windows. Of course, I'll get to see the view too. They didn't want to take me up until the final walk through, even though they said they would allow me to do this back in June and again in September.

I asked, is your company building the condos at Canton Crossing? When they said yes, I told them that they didn't honor their commitment to me, on the day the Canton sales center opens I will be the person out front with a picket sign containing a nice message about their company and business practices. My appointment is at 11:00. It's a good thing too because when I say I will do something, I do it.

I also found out that even though the building is not supposed to allow investors, the sales manager purchased a unit on the 26th floor for an "investment". Hmm. Talk about a double standard.

Bush Construction has a very good reputation, but I've found that everything I want from them is a challenge. I wanted full size plans and elevation drawings and the sales team said no. I had to go to their office in Arlington, and after a conversation with a manager, I got them.

I wanted a modification to my bedroom (no walking closet which makes for a much larger room), and they said no. I had to go up the chain of command and when I got high enough, I got the modification I wanted.

And now this. You would think they would realize that I don't like the word "NO" when I am paying this much money for a unit. Hopefully, I will be able to move in January. At this point, they are dreading that no doubt. I hope for their sake that everything is installed correctly and operates well.

Good for you, Wada. Seriously. You are a good American.

[BrooklynChulo90]

Any Progress on the 4 Seasons and Legg Mason Tower so far?So...Do you guys think the 10 Inner Harbor,Naign Towers,Westport Redevelopment and/or the 300 East Pratt Street will get final Approval?I Mean thats 4 proposals for the "new tallest" for Baltimore and I doubt that ALL of these proposals will get rejected.I mean I think AT LEAST 1 of them should/will get final approval.It would be a very disturbing site to see all these nice proposals fall under the "Never Built" list on Emporis.com and not just in Emporis.com but in general too.Out of all of these proposals,I would love to see the Westport Redevelopment Tower and the Naign Towers get Approved.But I know that Naign Towers will probably never exist and the Westport Tower has a slim chance of getting Approved.But do you guys think that Westport will ever have a slight chance of getting the Final Approval??

[30 Floors Up]

I think all the proposed buildings will be built as market conditions allow.

The Four Seasons/Legg Mason site. Digging for the garage!

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/photogallery/02%20Baltimore%20Buildings/13%20Downtown%20Construction/Four%20Seasons%2003.jpg

[maudibjr]

Any Progress on the 4 Seasons and Legg Mason Tower so far?So...Do you guys think the 10 Inner Harbor,Naign Towers,Westport Redevelopment and/or the 300 East Pratt Street will get final Approval?I Mean thats 4 proposals for the "new tallest" for Baltimore and I doubt that ALL of these proposals will get rejected.I mean I think AT LEAST 1 of them should/will get final approval.It would be a very disturbing site to see all these nice proposals fall under the "Never Built" list on Emporis.com and not just in Emporis.com but in general too.Out of all of these proposals,I would love to see the Westport Redevelopment Tower and the Naign Towers get Approved.But I know that Naign Towers will probably never exist and the Westport Tower has a slim chance of getting Approved.But do you guys think that Westport will ever have a slight chance of getting the Final Approval??

Well there are digging a big hole for legg as we speak (well type). I have much more confidence in 10IH and 300 E. Pratt.

Although the gov. slot plan locations would be right in the westport zone, so maybe a hotel there.

[BrooklynChulo90]

Wow...is that picture one of the latest pictures of the Legg Mason/Four Seasons construction site?If it is,than they're really taking a long time to dig that huge hole.I thought that they would've progressed a lot further than that. I see that digging that huge whole will take a while,not to mention that they still have to put cement around the parking garage to prevent leaks from the harbor from seaking into it.I Dont think that we'll see anything popping out of that hole from at least until February or March of 2008.So it will take a while.The way that had that construction site blocked,seemed like there was a huge hole but they haven't progressed much.But Im still glad to see it go underway.Can't wait to see those suckers rise!And yea,I hope our market keeps up with all of this because if it does,than well see taller and taller skyscrapers in Baltimore.:notacrook:

[StevenW]

The slurry wall was the main reason for the construction so far. The actual "digging" for the garage won't start until Spring, I believe.

[marcus]

Hey, does anyone have a pic of those 'twin' towers, the ones that would become the city's new tallest?

[jason111]

Hey, does anyone have a pic of those 'twin' towers, the ones that would become the city's new tallest?

there is proposal pictures a couple of pages back in this thread

[toxteth o'grady]

I was in Fells Point this afternoon. I was unaware there had been that much change on that side of the Harbor, and it appears that more is happening. Still, when you get deeper into the neighborhood, the rowhouses are still there and still have their charms. It's like visiting the set of Hairspray...

[30 Floors Up]

The slurry wall was the main reason for the construction so far. The actual "digging" for the garage won't start until Spring, I believe.

No. The slurry wall is complete and the digging has started. look at the photograph above that I posted. The white wall is the slurry wall being exposed as they dig for the garage. They are down about 10 feet all ready. There are lots of dump trucks lined up during the day. They go in empty and they come out full!

[StevenW]

No. The slurry wall is complete and the digging has started. look at the photograph above that I posted. The white wall is the slurry wall being exposed as they dig for the garage. They are down about 10 feet all ready. There are lots of dump trucks lined up during the day. They go in empty and they come out full!

Well, I sit corrected.

I thought they were not going to start until Spring? :sly: :shrug:

Anywho....

[BrooklynChulo90]

Hold On...i thought they had to dig the hole first and then make the slurry wall.Don't they have to make the slurry wall as deep as the parking garage will go?It doesnt make sense to just dig 10 ft and put the wall there.I think they're supposed to dig the hole until they're supposed to and then make the wall.Is the Slurry wall Complete or are they going to make it deeper?I'm confused:sly:

[BrooklynChulo90]

Question...Is the construction site for 10 Inner Harbor STILL a big old parking lot?Because if it is,than they're going to keep pushing the completion date forward.Its already been pushed to be completed on 2011 and possibly 2012 instead of the originally planned 2010.I Dont know,maybe the architects are trying to trick us by making changes to the design and when I say "changes to the design",im hoping that they'll make it better looking and even taller!But I dont understand whats going on and I hope they start construction soon!!We really need this!!:koko:

[30 Floors Up]

The slurry wall is constructed when the site still looks like a parking lot. They have a special machine which digs a deep trench around the perimeter. The trench is then reinforced with steel and filled with concrete. Yes, the trench is as deep as the parking garage. In fact, it is deeper.

Once the site is completely outlined with the slurry wall and the concrete sets, they start excavation. Every 10 feet down or so, they insert "tie backs" which go through the wall and into the surrounding earth. This keeps the wall from bending inward as the earth is removed from the site.

The purpose of the slurry wall is to keep the site dry so that excavation can happen. The water table is only about 3 feet below the street. If they didn't construct the slurry wall, after digging down 3 feet it would look like a large muddy pond.

The process they are going through on this project is the exact same process that was used when the Gallery at Harborplace, and the World Trade Center in New York, were constructed.

In short, the slurry wall acts like a big bath tub in reverse. Instead of keeping the water in, it keeps the water out so that excavation can happen.

[30 Floors Up]

Well, I sit corrected.

I thought they were not going to start until Spring? :sly: :shrug:

Anywho....

They are going full speed ahead because of the time constraints. Legg Mason's lease expires and they have to move!

[BrooklynChulo90]

You wont see anything rise from this site until possibly March or April of 2008,which means that this forum will probably be dead until then.Since its 4-5 levels of underground parking,they have to dig a huge 50ft deep hole and than add the concrete and everything else.So I wont bother visiting the construction site until March or April

[MasonsInquiries]

wow, so much going on in b'more!

[BrooklynChulo90]

Just to Refresh people's Memory,here are SOME of the renderings of the MAJOR projects for the Downtown or near the Downtown Area.

The MAJOR WESTPORT Project W/ The 65 Floor Tower:Proposed
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/WestportRedevelopment.jpg

The Location Where the "Naign Towers are SUPPOSED to be:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/Untitled-3-1.gif

The Naign Towers 60-65+ Floors:Proposed But are SUPPOSEDLY going to break Ground in 2008 if Approved(which I HIGHLY Doubt)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/BaltimoreSkyscraperProposal2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/BaltimoreSkyscraperProposal.jpg

10 Inner Harbor:Hopefully will Get Final Approval Soon
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/BaltimoreSkyscraperProposal10Inn-1.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/BaltimoreSkyscraperProposal10InnerH.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/414_light_street.jpg

300 East Pratt St(50-52 Floors):Proposed
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/300-E-Pratt.jpg

The Four Seasons(44 Floors/494 ft)/Legg Mason(24 Floors/350ft):Under Construction
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/image2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/TheFourSeasonsandTheLeggMasonTower3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/TheFourSeasonsandTheLeggMasonTower2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/TheFourSeasonsandTheLeggMasonTower.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/lm.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/harboreastnew.jpg

1 Light St:Proposed
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/07.jpg

I Forgot What This One was Called,but it's supposed to have like 42-43 floors.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/02.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/03.jpg

There's A LOT MORE going on in Baltimore Than This.These are just SOME of the Major Projects going down!

[BrooklynChulo90]

Actually,here's a better viewing in the daytime!Looks SO much better =)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/guzmanrodriguez1/image3.jpg

[30 Floors Up]

The second row of tie backs are being installed through the slurry wall around the Four Season/Legg Mason site. The machines on an angle are used to drive them through the wall into the surrounding earth. They have now excavated about 20 feet down from the surface.

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/photogallery/02%20Baltimore%20Buildings/13%20Downtown%20Construction/Four%20Seasons%2005.jpg

Note the pile of wood left/center in the picture. They are from the old docks which used to be on the site and were uncovered during the digging process.

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/photogallery/02%20Baltimore%20Buildings/13%20Downtown%20Construction/Four%20Seasons%2006.jpg

[BrooklynChulo90]

The second row of tie backs are being installed through the slurry wall around the Four Season/Legg Mason site. The machines on an angle are used to drive them through the wall into the surrounding earth. They have now excavated about 20 feet down from the surface.

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/photogallery/02%20Baltimore%20Buildings/13%20Downtown%20Construction/Four%20Seasons%2005.jpg

Note the pile of wood left/center in the picture. They are from the old docks which used to be on the site and were uncovered during the digging process.

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/photogallery/02%20Baltimore%20Buildings/13%20Downtown%20Construction/Four%20Seasons%2006.jpg

AWESOME FLIX 30 FLOORS UP!!Are you the constuctor or the photographer of BaltimoreGuy.com or do you just check it daily?Wow..they're moving pretty fast..I Mean,they have to because they have a deadline :tup:

[BrooklynChulo90]

Emporis needs to update their information on Baltimore more often.I Mean cities like New York and Chicago and Miami are constantly getting their information updated when Baltimore has their information WAYY Backed Up.Hmm..lets see,The Vue has been completed a little over 7 months ago and Emporis STILL has it Under Construction.Same goes for 414 Water Street,that has ALSO been completed for a while and Emporis still has it as "Under Construction".What SHOULD say Under Construction is the Four Seasons and the Legg Mason.Digging for the site is a little under half way done and that should be enough to get the "Under Construction" on Emporis.Can anyone tell me why this is?

[jason111]

Emporis needs to update their information on Baltimore more often.I Mean cities like New York and Chicago and Miami are constantly getting their information updated when Baltimore has their information WAYY Backed Up.Hmm..lets see,The Vue has been completed a little over 7 months ago and Emporis STILL has it Under Construction.Same goes for 414 Water Street,that has ALSO been completed for a while and Emporis still has it as "Under Construction".What SHOULD say Under Construction is the Four Seasons and the Legg Mason.Digging for the site is a little under half way done and that should be enough to get the "Under Construction" on Emporis.Can anyone tell me why this is?

i agree emporis is really slow with all that, i guess people just dont respect baltimore enough :(

but good pics again it brings every project back to the forward of my mind again

[BrooklynChulo90]

I went to the Convention Center yesterday for the National College Fair and the 10 Inner Harbor site is STILL a parking lot.Im just waiting for the day where I could actually see its blocked off by fencing.Then I'll be excited.Better yet,ECSTATIC!Anyone that lives Downtown or near downtown,keep us updated when they actually put the fencing around the construction site since it's supposedly approved

[samoen313]

^i doubt a project of that significance would go unreported by anyone in the baltimore area if they had visuals. you seem to hold a weekly vigil concerning how 10 inner harbor has not yet begun.

i sympathize, but your energy may be better spent, say, writing letters-to-the-editor, attending meetings regarding developments, etc. and voicing your well-reasoned opinion. you'd be surprised at what can be accomplished when you get a letter published in your major local paper (i have had three currently). spread the gospel of urban activism. look into urban planning/architecture schools. reiterating the lead-assedness of projects like this on ssp or ssc doesn't get them off the ground faster. as a younger person in a community in need of young activists, you can do quite a bit. just be eloquent and have your sources backed up.

sorry, i hate preaching, but its heartening to see someone else so intrigued by urban development at such a young age.

[BrooklynChulo90]

^i doubt a project of that significance would go unreported by anyone in the baltimore area if they had visuals. you seem to hold a weekly vigil concerning how 10 inner harbor has not yet begun.

i sympathize, but your energy may be better spent, say, writing letters-to-the-editor, attending meetings regarding developments, etc. and voicing your well-reasoned opinion. you'd be surprised at what can be accomplished when you get a letter published in your major local paper (i have had three currently). spread the gospel of urban activism. look into urban planning/architecture schools. reiterating the lead-assedness of projects like this on ssp or ssc doesn't get them off the ground faster. as a younger person in a community in need of young activists, you can do quite a bit. just be eloquent and have your sources backed up.

sorry, i hate preaching, but its heartening to see someone else so intrigued by urban development at such a young age.

Kind of hard to do all of that when Im only 17.You guys get your sources so easily since your probably all business-people when I just get my sources from wjz.com,emporis.com and other websites.By the way,I Just recently started gaining interest on City Compilations and City Growth.I Just like seeing buildings rise up in the city and I do try my hardest to gain as much information as I can about how Baltimore will finally get a skyscraper boom like Miami.Yes,I have lived for 17 years and it feels to me that its been a lot longer but thats besides the point.I just find that Baltimore needs all of this because were mainly known as "Death City" and not all parts of the city are like that.So I'm looking forward to seeing all the development and construction of a city that has so much potential.We just dont have that extra PUSH that we need!:cool:

[MasonsInquiries]

I went to the Convention Center yesterday for the National College Fair and the 10 Inner Harbor site is STILL a parking lot.Im just waiting for the day where I could actually see its blocked off by fencing.Then I'll be excited.Better yet,ECSTATIC!Anyone that lives Downtown or near downtown,keep us updated when they actually put the fencing around the construction site since it's supposedly approved
yep, 10IH is gonna' be a monster.:tup:

[Wheelingman04]

I am proud of Baltimore!!

[BrooklynChulo90]

Wow..I Just realize that there will be a couple buildings on the rise around the same time.We Got Legg Mason,The Four Seasons,10 Inner Harbor,300 East Pratt St,Westport,and PROBABLY the Naign Towers.The Best case scenario for Baltimore is to see all the babies rise up all at the same time to show the magnitude of Baltimore.It would be a mini skyscraper boom for us.It would kinda look like Miami since they're now experiencing a MAJOR skyscraper boom!That scene would just be the absolute best for Baltimore!

[jason111]

Wow..I Just realize that there will be a couple buildings on the rise around the same time.We Got Legg Mason,The Four Seasons,10 Inner Harbor,300 East Pratt St,Westport,and PROBABLY the Naign Towers.The Best case scenario for Baltimore is to see all the babies rise up all at the same time to show the magnitude of Baltimore.It would be a mini skyscraper boom for us.It would kinda look like Miami since they're now experiencing a MAJOR skyscraper boom!That scene would just be the absolute best for Baltimore!

no doubt. that would truly be an exciting time for a city thats been down lately (example ravens :( )

[StevenW]

:previous: Yeah, example: Ravens and Orioles. :( :no:

[StevenW]

Concerning the 10 Inner Harbor project:

Thank you very much Steve. Changing market conditions, specifically the downturn in residential condominiums, have certainly delayed this project. It is now reprogrammed where a portion of the residential is changed to Class "A" Green (Leeds Certified) Office space. To accomplish this additional parking had to be added, the residential reduced component reduced in size by 1/2 and the type and purpose of hotel modified. This is all part of the building's program and until it is fully complete, we cannot finish our pre-construction due-diligence. I expect breaking news relative to a major office tenant soon after the 1st of the year. Then, things should move forward rather quickly.

I hope you're Thanksgiving was enjoyable and wish you and yours the best for the upcoming holidays.

Best

John Voneiff
Arc Wheeler

[jason111]

Concerning the 10 Inner Harbor project:

Thank you very much Steve. Changing market conditions, specifically the downturn in residential condominiums, have certainly delayed this project. It is now reprogrammed where a portion of the residential is changed to Class "A" Green (Leeds Certified) Office space. To accomplish this additional parking had to be added, the residential reduced component reduced in size by 1/2 and the type and purpose of hotel modified. This is all part of the building's program and until it is fully complete, we cannot finish our pre-construction due-diligence. I expect breaking news relative to a major office tenant soon after the 1st of the year. Then, things should move forward rather quickly.

I hope you're Thanksgiving was enjoyable and wish you and yours the best for the upcoming holidays.

Best

John Voneiff
Arc Wheeler

good good wont be long till we get some major news then

[StevenW]

Sure sounds like it. :yes:

[BrooklynChulo90]

Hey,since MAJOR office space is going to be added,it may become even taller than 717 ft!:tup: :notacrook: :tup:

[StevenW]

:previous: Yeah, it could go taller. Who knows? :yes: :)

[giantSwan]

Hey Baltimore Development enthusiasts...

I was in Baltimore for the first time in a few years. It's really coming along quite nicely. More vibrancy, lots of aesthetic enhancements..VERY exciting.

It seems like there are alot of great spaces on waterfront paracells that are currently polluted or have old industry located on them...are there any plans to redevelop some of these areas? Seems like there's so much more potential around different waterfront (aside from the inner harbor)...

[StevenW]

Yes, just about every spot is slated for development. :D

[BrooklynChulo90]

This forum is like dead.ANY BALTIMORE FORUMERS OUT THERE?!

[StevenW]

not here.....

[BrooklynChulo90]

Lol...I guess there all in SSC.But I would like other forumers to come here too.WHERE IS EVERYBODY?!

[jason111]

im still here :tup:

but things are just slow now nothing to talk about really when it comes to constuction, proposals, etc.

[jason111]

any news from anyone?

[StevenW]

Here's something:

Originally Posted by 30 Floors Up

(New Hyatt planned for city)

Baltimore Business Journal - by Julekha Dash Staff

Hyatt Hotels Corp. is adding a new brand to the Baltimore market.

The Chicago-based hotel chain plans to open a 173-room Hyatt Place hotel in downtown Baltimore in late 2008. The new hotel will be located at 120 E. Lombard St., next to the Brookshire Suites hotel.

Hyatt Place is part of the Cityscape mixed-use project led by Pikesville developer Mark Sapperstein and Savannah Development Corp. It's the latest hotel coming to the Baltimore market, with about 15 new hotels expected to open in the city by 2010, adding 2,400 rooms, according to Downtown Partnership of Baltimore Inc.

The location for the new Hyatt Place is "one of the most critical sites downtown," as it is one block from the Inner Harbor, said Downtown Partnership President J. Kirby Fowler. Several new hotels are opening in that area, including Springhill Suites, a Marriott brand that opened Nov. 15; a Hotel Indigo under development on Redwood Street; and a Sheraton Four Points at Water and Calvert streets.

[jason111]

do u know if those hotels are gonna be of any considerable height?

[StevenW]

:previous: Don't know the specifics on design or height. Yet, anyway.

[BrooklynChulo90]

COME ON 10 INNER HARBOR/NAIGN TOWERS/WESTPORT REDEVELOPEMENT TOWER/300 EAST PRATT STREET!!WE NEED YOU!!lol.It would be really nice to see all those towers being constructed at the same time.It would really show the strength of the city.They would also change our skyline dramatically!But I guess we have to keep on dreaming.:(

[jason111]

any news? maybe from SSC or something?

[StevenW]

news is very slow............ :(

[BrooklynChulo90]

sigh.....10 Inner Harbor isnt going to be built until like 2013 and it will probably be cut down in size.That's the latest.Westport is continuing with progress and will be probably built before 10 Inner Harbor the way things are going.

[jason111]

sigh.....10 Inner Harbor isnt going to be built until like 2013 and it will probably be cut down in size.That's the latest.Westport is continuing with progress and will be probably built before 10 Inner Harbor the way things are going.

is this for real or are you just saying because of the way things are going? Westport is the project with the one high rise in it right? (will that one be the new highest in the city i forget the height of it?)

[Ktulured55]

yea what is going into the old legg mason?

Legg Mason only fill half of the Legg Mason building.

So when they move out, the building owners just have to find a good tennant to take the other half (upper half) of the building.

[Ktulured55]

I don't know if that update on 10IH is accurate. We should hear something soon... of course, for a year we have been saying that....

The overall market and economy is bad, but is showing the earliest signs of recovery. I think that more good things will start to happen again this summer so we still have time to wait.

Keep up with the posts guys!!!

:)

[BrooklynChulo90]

is this for real or are you just saying because of the way things are going? Westport is the project with the one high rise in it right? (will that one be the new highest in the city i forget the height of it?)

Im just saying that because of the way things are going.But I do think Westport has higher chances of actually getting things done as of now.Westport does have the one office tower of 65 floors and it will be an office building.Total height of that tower will be 845 ft+,hopefully.

[jason111]

Im just saying that because of the way things are going.But I do think Westport has higher chances of actually getting things done as of now.Westport does have the one office tower of 65 floors and it will be an office building.Total height of that tower will be 845 ft+,hopefully.

where is westport located from like a downtown perspective?

[StevenW]

South of downtown.

[jason111]

South of downtown.

so how far is it from inner harbour?

[alphawolf]

Who is going to take over the updates on this thread since bmorescottamanda is banned?

[StevenW]

Are you volunteering? :D

[BrooklynChulo90]

It seems like all the Sheila Dixon stories were true.She really is backing up Turner Development.I sent an e-mail to the Turner Development Group and this is what I got back in return.Although,I'm NOT sure BUT I pray that it includes the 65-story office building.


The project is fully approved and demo and construction has begun. We will have a ground breaking party in the summer. The web page should be up in 4 months and will contain regular updates. Thank you for your interest.



Patrick Turner

President



TURNER DEVELOPMENT GROUP

1700 Beason Street

Baltimore, Maryland 21230

410 752-1241 Phone

410 539-4900 Fax



PAT@TURNERDEVELOPMENT.COM




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Javier Guzman [mailto:bkzdominicanpapichulo90@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:40 PM
To: info@turnerdevelopment.com
Cc: DrzPapiChulo90@msn.com
Subject: Westport



How are you guys doing today?I would just like to make a couple of quick questions concerning Westport.First off, do you think the Westport Project will be approved?If so, when should groundbreaking begin?About the 65 story skyscraper, how tall should the final result be?I'm very glad that the Turner Development Group is taking their time to revitalize run-down neighborhoods and turning them into great projects!I really hope that Sheila Dixon will keep supporting the Turner Development group with the Westport project and I wish you all good luck in bringing the Westport project to reality!Thank You for your time and I hope you enjoyed reading my letter.I Hope to hear from you soon and Have a Great Day!

[BrooklynChulo90]

So I really was telling the truth when I said that Westport will become a reality before 10 Inner Harbor.Just look,they ALREADY started Demolition AND Construction!

[Ktulured55]

10 IH will get going sometime. That is my favorite one.

Any news on 300 East Pratt? When that is supposed to start?


On a different note, the Hilton is almost done. With that and the Zenith although not too tall, that area of the city definately feels a lot taller :)

[alphawolf]

Are you volunteering? :D

I'm probably not the best candidate since I'm on the other side of the country.

[jason111]

10 IH will get going sometime. That is my favorite one.

Any news on 300 East Pratt? When that is supposed to start?


On a different note, the Hilton is almost done. With that and the Zenith although not too tall, that area of the city definately feels a lot taller :)

do u have any pictures of those finished or almost finished areas?

and wow i am surprised that westport got moving so fast. hopefully this will springboard the other projects into action. *crosses fingers*

[StevenW]

I'm probably not the best candidate since I'm on the other side of the country.

I know what you mean. I'm in South Carolina. :haha: :rolleyes: :D ;) :cheers:

[StevenW]

10 IH will get going sometime. That is my favorite one.

Any news on 300 East Pratt? When that is supposed to start?


On a different note, the Hilton is almost done. With that and the Zenith although not too tall, that area of the city definately feels a lot taller :)

Here is UrbanAmerica's e-maill address : jmonge@urbanamerica.com
Jeff Monge is very nice. If you'd like, give him an e-mail asking about the progression of the 300 east pratt street project. When new 300 east pratt street website will be up.... When new renderings and stats will be released... Time table of it's ground-breaking.... if it will have a nice sleek design.... a nice crown....

Things like that. I have e-mailed him too much in the past months. I think if he got some from other people he may be more open to releasing more detailed information on it. :)
And, good luck. :yes:

[marcus]

cranes up for legg mason/4 seasons! Photo from baltosteve, here at ssc

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2231/2239430128_1f46012fc1_o.jpg

[StevenW]

:previous: Yes, this is great news! Should be very exciting to see rise! :yes:

:)

[StevenW]

BTW, has anyone sent any e-mails lately? :?

[jason111]

BTW, has anyone sent any e-mails lately? :?

i was gonna ask the same thing.......actually come to think of it i might as well send one too, hopefully nothing but good news