[bmorescottamanda]

10 Inner Harbor (proposed) It will become Baltimore's new tallest.
http://www.arcwheeler.com/projects/414lightstreet/414lightstreet_2_lrg.jpg
414 Water st(under construction)
http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/414_water_street_condos.jpg
Zenith(under construction)
http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/zenith.jpg
Baltimore Hilton(under construction)
http://www.rtkl.com/images/portfolio_images/Baltimore%20Hilton_cropped.jpg
One Light Street (approved)
http://www.pfarc.com/images/97003/07.jpg
300 East Pratt St (approved)
http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/300-E-Pratt.jpg
All the Harbor East Projects http://www.bha-architects.com/markets/hosp.html
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6f/Baltimore_Rendering_2006.jpg/800px-Baltimore_Rendering_2006.jpg
Canton Crossing Project (under construction)
http://www.wbcm.com/images/DedicationBoard.jpg
Ritz Carlton (under construction)
http://www.armsdendesign.com/galleries/146/146-600.jpg
Four Seasons(approved)
http://mail.dpob.org/Development/images/1801001.jpg
Vue Harbor East (under construction)
http://image.americanhomeguides.com/metro/nho/community/baltimore/010202_p01.jpg
http://www.vueharboreastcondos.com/noflash/images/216x276_n2.jpg
Pinnacle (proposed)
http://www.harborviewcommunity.com/pinnacle/images/pinnacle_13.jpg
http://www.dcestonian.com/baltimore/innerharbor/harborview/pinnacle/view_sm_2006a.jpg

[James Bond Agent 007]

Impressive!

[James Bond Agent 007]

BTW I edited your thread title to make it a little more, well, compact. ;)

[bmorescottamanda]

thanks

[bmorescottamanda]

10 Inner Harbor
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=98969

[Silver Springer]

About time! Washington needs to get its thread moving too. Keep bumping this one up!

[Wheelingman04]

Thanks for making this cool thread. It looks like all of that development is making Baltimore better every day.

[bmorescottamanda]

If I missed any projects please add them.

[bmorescottamanda]

KSI's Greektown project features two, 23-story high-rise condominiums, two 14-story condominium and apartment units, and four-story "stacked" townhouses laid out around a large formal park. KSI's high-rise homes will offer sweeping views of Baltimore's Inner Harbor, skyline and the Chesapeake Bay.

[StevenW]

If I missed any projects please add them.
There are many others. It'll take some time to get them all on here. :yes:

[bmorescottamanda]

There are many others. It'll take some time to get them all on here. :yes:
Good thanks
I know there where others I just can't find any picture's for them.

[Stephenapolis]

Nice to see all of this development for Baltimore.

[sdeclue]

You can find a ton of the developments on other boards. Not sure about the One Light Street proposal you have, and 10 Inner Harbor has been approved. 300 E Pratt is also an unknown.

[sdeclue]

Although, I might add that I love that One Light Street rendering above. It could be better if it were taller, but I still like it a lot.

[bmorescottamanda]

You can find a ton of the developments on other boards. Not sure about the One Light Street proposal you have, and 10 Inner Harbor has been approved. 300 E Pratt is also an unknown.

So 10 Inner Harbor has final approval?

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.arcwheeler.com/projects/414lightstreet/414lightstreet_1_lrg.jpg

[crzytwnman]

I'm pretty sure One Light Street as it's pictured was scrapped a while back due to lack of interest in the office and hotel components. The developers are now looking to build a residential highrise on the property.

[bmorescottamanda]

I'm pretty sure One Light Street as it's pictured was scrapped a while back due to lack of interest in the office and hotel components. The developers are now looking to build a residential highrise on the property.

That might be true but not because of the hotel part. It would of been the office space. The cities hotel market is doing great.

[bmorescottamanda]

Here is another picture of One Light street. I got off of the Baltimore Development corporation website. Maybe this is the new design.
http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/one_light_street.jpg

[StevenW]

Here is another picture of One Light street. I got off of the Baltimore Development corporation website. Maybe this is the new design.
http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/one_light_street.jpg

Looks like a beachfront hotel at Ocean City. :D :yes: :haha:

[bmorescottamanda]

:previous: I think the picture on the right looks like the Borgata hotel in Atlantic City NJ.

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.baltimoredevelopment.com/files/pdf/rfp/upload/701_east_baltimore_street.jpg

[bmorescottamanda]

:previous:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-12/20830440.jpg

[bmorescottamanda]

this is Vue Harbor East now
http://ehummel.net/photos/Baltimore/20040509_13.jpg

[StevenW]

:previous: A third the way! :D

[Baltimore21213]

:previous: I was down there today and it's like 4 floors higher.

[bmorescottamanda]

Yea that picture was like a month ago. :tup:

[Baltimore21213]

Anyone knows anything about the Icon at Canton Residential Tower?

[StevenW]

:previous: It's been downsized. Half the height. It's still in a limbo mode right now as to "if" it will be built.

[Baltimore21213]

THAT SUCKS :yuck:

[bmorescottamanda]

Harbor East
http://www.harboreast.com/images/project_map.jpg
http://www.harboreast.com/directory.htm Go to the link for a more detail look.

[Baltimore21213]

Cool website I just which they had pictures of the high-rises.

[Baltimore21213]

http://www.baltimoreguy.com/images/Photographs%20Volvo%20Page%2001%2021.jpg

[StevenW]

:previous: Nice shot! :)

[MustangV8power]

Cool Thread:tup:
Is 10 Inner Harbor just one of those skyscrapers that gets proposed but never really have a change of being built?

[bmorescottamanda]

I hope not :slob:

[StevenW]

Cool Thread:tup:
Is 10 Inner Harbor just one of those skyscrapers that gets proposed but never really have a change of being built?
It will be built, and it will be taller. :)

[MustangV8power]

That's good because it sucks that the tallest building in Baltimore is over thirty years old.

[bmorescottamanda]

Over the last 18 months, WBCM has been responsible for developing the master plan and the design of initial building development that will enhance the waterfront along Boston Street known as Canton Crossing. The property and its development is planned for easy access as a destination location that will provide housing, entertainment, office space, retail and hotel occupancies, restaurants and adequate parking for those that venture to this Harbor Location. Also planned for this location is the possible development of the new Cruise Ship Terminal that will serve the visitors and passengers embarking on weeklong and 10-day long cruises to the North and South.

This property has the capability of supporting more that 2.5 million square feet of occupancy and is the first of the many buildings that is being designed and is scheduled to begin construction in early 2004. This 510,000 SF, 17-story office building will be the signature building of the campus and will be the headquarters of and partially occupied by First Mariner Bank. The design team on this project consists of Arium Architects, WBCM (Architects and Engineers), Gipe Associates (Mechanical and Electrical Engineers), and Ross Infrastructure, who is providing master planning for the site infrastructure. The Trammell Crow Company is the leasing resource for this initial office tower, Gilbane Building is the Construction Manager, and Hale Properties is the developer.

Along with this initial signature building, there will be an 800-space parking structure built to support the office tower and the initial planning for the site. Additional parking will be provided as other buildings in the proposed campus come on line. The second phase of this approved Master Plan will begin in January 2004 with the initial design of the first 200-room hotel. WBCM has done preliminary architectural and engineering planning for this 4-star hotel that will also have a 50,000 SF attached Conference Center as part of the project that will be operated by the hotel owner. A second 150-room hotel is planned adjacent to the initial facility and will be connected by pedestrian walkways and bridges to the waterfront, the parking garages, and possibly to a new Cruise Ship Terminal.

This project is one of the most significant projects to be developed in Baltimore since the Inner Harbor Development created by the Rouse Company and will contain over $150 million in development to the area. Once completed, this site will be a vital link to business and recreational needs of the City of Baltimore.

“This project is one of the most significant projects to be developed in Baltimore since the Inner Harbor Development created by the Rouse Company and will contain over $150 million in development to the area.”

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.wbcm.com/images/KSI056a3D04.jpg

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.wbcm.com/images/KSI056aSPmain.jpg

[MustangV8power]

All the Harbor East Projects
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6f/Baltimore_Rendering_2006.jpg/800px-Baltimore_Rendering_2006.jpg

Harbor East looks like a beach front city that is separate form downtown Baltimore.

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.harborviewcommunity.com/pinnacle/images/pinnacle_13.jpg
http://www.dcestonian.com/baltimore/innerharbor/harborview/pinnacle/view_sm_2006a.jpg

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.hcm2.com/images/Projects/1278979080156525002.jpg

[Baltimore21213]

:previous: It looks good but a lot smaller than the last design.

[bmorescottamanda]

yea I know :(

[Baltimore21213]

Even if the Pinnacle is not that tall I really like it. I bet those CEO's and rich Baltimore and washington people is going to buy them right up. ;)

[bmorescottamanda]

http://www.bha-architects.com/markets/hosp.html

[StevenW]

:previous: Great link. :)

[Baltimore21213]

I just hope with are the new development Baltimore's population starts to go up. Also it would be nice to get some new HQ’s to move to Baltimore.

[Silver Springer]

http://www.hcm2.com/images/Projects/1278979080156525002.jpg

That design is terrible, Baltimore deserves better. Any developr or official that lets that design get to the construction phase does not have Baltimore's best interest at heart.

[StevenW]

:previous: I agree 100%! I hope it's canned.

[bmorescottamanda]

One Light Street (approved)

http://www.pfarc.com/images/97003/07.jpg

http://www.hcm2.com/images/Projects/1278979080156525002.jpg

I am mad to, how do they come from the first design to the second one. The first one was great. Even if they scaled the first one down it would look a hole lot better than the new design.

[B'More22]

One Light Street (approved)

http://www.pfarc.com/images/97003/07.jpg

http://www.hcm2.com/images/Projects/1278979080156525002.jpg

I am mad to, how do they come from the first design to the second one. The first one was great. Even if they scaled the first one down it would look a hole lot better than the new design.


I don't see how they can go from the first design being soo elegant, to the second design being soo beachy?:yuck:

[Silver Springer]

That Ritz Carlton project looks very classy and speaks volumes for B'more that this is their first urban residential venture.

On another topic why do architechs decide not to use crowns anymore.

[Silver Springer]

I don't see how they can go from the first design being soo elegant, to the second design being soo beachy?:yuck:

No just plain ugly. The architect who designed that should be shot.

[HuskyMD3417]

Cool thread

[HuskyMD3417]

By Jill Rosen
Sun reporter
Originally published May 19, 2006
After years of false starts, construction is to begin this summer on Harbor Point, the long-contaminated former site of a chromium plant and the largest undeveloped tract along the Inner Harbor.

Baltimore's Planning Commission unanimously approved a revised design plan for the sprawling $725 million project yesterday, giving developers the go-ahead to begin building what amounts to a new neighborhood southwest of Fells Point. When complete, it will include nearly 2 million square feet of offices, homes, hotels and retail space.

Getting to this point has taken a dozen years of planning and negotiating, not to mention a prolonged $100 million cleanup.

"We've been waiting with great anticipation for many years for this to start," said Lawrence J. White, development director for Struever Bros., Eccles & Rouse, the company developing the site along with John Paterakis Sr.

Eager to break ground, White expects to start construction on the first office building late this summer. Plans call for the second building, containing condominiums, to begin its rise a few months later. Shortly thereafter, another residential component will follow.

"It will be fast," he said. "By next year, all three will be under construction."

Ideally, the developers would have been building already. But the Army Corps of Engineers and other federal agencies, troubled by the environmental implications of constructing new piers with buildings on top, spent two years scrutinizing the plans.

As the key tenant for the first office building began putting pressure on the developers to start construction, White said they couldn't wait any longer for federal approval. They scratched the pier plan and reworked things so that all of the buildings will now stand entirely on land, though very close to the water - the development's calling card.

"After two years of frustrating conversations with the Army Corps of Engineers, we were not making progress in a timely fashion," White said, adding that the tenants' needs outweighed their desire for the pier design. "It was a huge motivating factor in our decision-making."

The glassy first building, called Thames Street Wharf - it was to have been Thames Pier until the pier construction issue - will be the new Baltimore home for Morgan Stanley & Co., a firm that now leases office space in Fells Point.

The company plans to move into half of the eight-story building and has an option to take over the rest of it.

The initial office and residential construction will be huddled in the southeastern corner of the 27-acre peninsula. Because of the past contamination, residential buildings are permitted on only the easternmost third of the site.

To the west, there are plans for two hotels - a Westin and another brand from the Starwood Hotels group.

All told, Harbor Point is to include:

• Two hotels.

• 815,000 square feet of residential space.

• 640,000 square feet of office space.

• 165,000 square feet of retail space.

• An 11-acre public park and a continuation of the city's waterfront promenade.

• 3,200 parking spaces.

Though Fells Point residents and environmentalists once decried the height and density of the development under the Struever-Paterakis plan, as well as the traffic it would likely bring, no one spoke out against the project during yesterday afternoon's planning meeting.

City business leaders, meanwhile, are glad to see action on the long-vacant site and ecstatic about its economic potential.

Not long ago, the former AlliedSignal chromium plant was among Maryland's worst hazardous waste sites. In June 1999, Allied and its owner, Honeywell International Inc., spent $100 million to raze the plant and cover the contaminated ground with a clay cap.

Before then and since, the peninsula sat idle, playing occasional host to Cirque du Soleil and, for a few years, the city's seasonal ice rink.

"Harbor Point has come a long way since its day as a polluted Superfund site," said Downtown Partnership President Kirby Fowler. "It holds a critical location on the waterfront, and the mix of open space and mixed-use buildings can only enhance an already thriving destination."

Harbor Point is directly south of Harbor East, another Struever-Paterakis project, that has become, with its upscale condo buildings, Whole Foods market and smattering of boutiques, possibly Baltimore's trendiest address.

Together, company officials say, Harbor Point and Harbor East represent a $2 billion investment.

[Ktulured55]

Good article..

It doesn't sound too much like they are building anything that tall at all though which is disappointing, but it will look nice none the less.

Where are all the Baltimore people on this forum? they are hiding...

Harbor Vue East is starting to look pretty nice.....

Does anyone know on if 10 Inner Harbor is 110% approved?

Also I heard that Donald Trump had an interest in Baltimore, but I know he's busy doing stuff in Chicago and now planning to build a huge hotel in Dubai.

[HuskyMD3417]

that would be great:tup: Because Donald Trump builds tall scrapers:tup:

[StevenW]

Good article..

It doesn't sound too much like they are building anything that tall at all though which is disappointing, but it will look nice none the less.

Where are all the Baltimore people on this forum? they are hiding...

Harbor Vue East is starting to look pretty nice.....

Does anyone know on if 10 Inner Harbor is 110% approved?

Also I heard that Donald Trump had an interest in Baltimore, but I know he's busy doing stuff in Chicago and now planning to build a huge hotel in Dubai.
Yes, 10 Inner Harbor is approved. The official announcement should come pretty soon. :)

[HuskyMD3417]

(WJZ) BALTIMORE After years on the decline, Baltimore businesses appear to be on the verge of an economic comeback. Of course, that news is evident to the naked eye with major construction and reconstruction projects occurring across the city.

"About four years ago people start to rediscover Baltimore and realize it has a lot of tremendous attributes and reasons to be hopeful for great success," Donald Fry, President of the Greater Baltimore Committee, tells WJZ's Tim Williams.

The Greater Baltimore Committee is responsible for bringing large-scale development and revitalization to the city. Fry points to renewed interest in the city which is driving the housing and business markets--much of it from people who left the city years ago.

"And when they see the activity, they see the excitement that's occurring, and they see the new projects, it makes them think, "Boy I'd better get in on this while I can,'" Fry said.

According to the committee, Baltimore lost more than 60,000 jobs and 85,000 residents during the 1990s. But since 2000, projects worth nearly $11 billion are completed or nearly finished, and 11,000 new jobs have been created.

Business leaders say Baltimore is experiencing a renaissance. While there are many economic indicators to show you how well a city is doing, Fry says one way to tell is simply by looking up.

"If you just count the number of cranes that are dotting the skyline, that will give you an indication of how healthy that city is," he said.

[Ktulured55]

Funny, for the first time in a long time I watched the news last night, and it happened to be about Bmore development and was in fact the same story (and words) as you have above. It was on WJZ!!! Crazy cuz I don't watch the news too often. It didn't tell people like us anything that we didn't know as we know how well Baltimore is growing right now, but it was nice for the general public.

[Ktulured55]

Yes, 10 Inner Harbor is approved. The official announcement should come pretty soon. :)

:banana: Yes!!!!!! :banana:

How do you know? I know you have some 'in' with the city but what is it? and also I noticed... (tell me if I"m wrong), from reading earlier on in the forum.. this used to be a $300 million investment .... and that's with the proposed 717ft. 59 story.... . now that it is a $400 million investment, does that mean they are making it taller? or does it mean something else? (the design on the arc wheeler site is still the same ) what is up with the extra $100 million, to what use could it be for if not making the building bigger and/or taller ? :shrug:

[B'More22]

:banana: Yes!!!!!! :banana:

How do you know? I know you have some 'in' with the city but what is it? and also I noticed... (tell me if I"m wrong), from reading earlier on in the forum.. this used to be a $300 million investment .... and that's with the proposed 717ft. 59 story.... . now that it is a $400 million investment, does that mean they are making it taller? or does it mean something else? (the design on the arc wheeler site is still the same ) what is up with the extra $100 million, to what use could it be for if not making the building bigger and/or taller ? :shrug:

Steven contacted Arc Wheeler a little while ago, and they assurred us that 10 Inner will be built. Also they said that they are still in planning and in fact making the building taller with a nice crown on top. So my guess is that this tower could break the 800 ft mark at least. Just my guess.

[StevenW]

http://www.arcwheeler.com/news/414FrontPage.pdf

Click the link above and read. :)

[HuskyMD3417]

I hope a lot taller 800 to a 1000 feet would be nice. :tup:

[BANKofMANHATTAN]

One Light Street (approved)

http://www.pfarc.com/images/97003/07.jpg

http://www.hcm2.com/images/Projects/1278979080156525002.jpg

I am mad to, how do they come from the first design to the second one. The first one was great. Even if they scaled the first one down it would look a hole lot better than the new design.

that new render is terrible. it looks like one of trump's bad projects. i just congradulated baltimore on the possibilty of more tall towers - but this just sucks. i like that first rendering a lot better. the latter was probably a design by committee that has no design sense what-so-ever.

[StevenW]

that new render is terrible. it looks like one of trump's bad projects. i just congradulated baltimore on the possibilty of more tall towers - but this just sucks. i like that first rendering a lot better. the latter was probably a design by committee that has no design sense what-so-ever.
well, don't get too down just yet. it may change back to the original. The developer behind One Light Street isn't really one for getting things "off the ground". Maybe some other developer will buy that lot and transform it into what will be the "right" project. This developer has had this property WAY too long.

[StevenW]

BTW, here's another article talking about the two new tallest towers:

City construction stills the music again
By JEN DEGREGORIO
Daily Record Business Writer
May 23, 2006

The Hammerjacks nightclub was resurrected on Baltimore’s East Side after losing its West Side home to stadium parking. On Saturday the club will be quieted again in order to make room for a 60-story mixed-use tower. “Yes, the rumors are true. May 27 Hammerjacks will be closing their doors forever.”

That is the voice-mail message left by Hammerjacks, a Baltimore nightclub once legendary for luring big-name rock performers to Charm City during the 1980s and 1990s. The club has traveled a tortuous path to its current incarnation as a venue for the hip-hop and dance set. Hammerjacks was forced to move from its long-time home on South Howard Street in 1997 to make room for parking spaces for Camden Yards and M&T Bank Stadium. It reopened in 2000 on Guilford Avenue just north of City Hall and led a more humble existence ever since.

Once again the club will close. Developers are buying the Hammerjacks building at 316 Guilford Ave. as part of a footprint on which plans call for a 60-story skyscraper that could be completed by 2010. The deal is expected to close Monday. “Hammerjacks has been an institution in this city for quite some time,” said J. Kirby Fowler, president of the Downtown Partnership of Baltimore Inc. “I’m not sure if it will resurrect itself elsewhere.”

Although the Hammerjacks voice-mail said the club will close its doors “forever,” it is unclear whether a new club by the same name would open in another Baltimore location. Club owner Michael Hunter did not return phone calls for comment. “Hammerjacks was successful as a place to go party,” said Mariano Mumpower, a Baltimore DJ who goes by the stage name Soulminer. “They had hip-hop shows. Big names in gangster rap music came there.”

Fowler said he regrets seeing an end to the era. But he believes new construction and residents will be better for downtown. “Downtown still is the spot for night life, and the loss of one bar won’t hurt that image one bit,” Fowler told The Daily Record in an interview last week

For many, the Hammerjacks era ended when the club closed in 1997, said Bud Becker, an advertising and marketing consultant for the club from 1986 to 1992. Band Guns ‘N’ Roses made its East Coast debut at Hammerjacks, he said. Nirvana, Poison and Motley Crue were among other bands whose tour buses stopped there.

“It was the premier rock venue on the East Coast,” Becker said.

Original owner Lou Principio reluctantly sold the building to the city in 1997 to make way for the stadium parking, according to reports that year in the Baltimore Sun. Principio then reopened the club on Guilford, targeting a different demographic. But the Hammerjacks on Guilford never became the icon for hip-hop fans that the South Howard venue was for rock fans, Mumpower said.

“You don’t really hear too much about it because Power Plant Live has really taken over a lot of that dance crowd,” Becker said, referring to the sprawling downtown complex created by developer The Cordish Co. According to land records, Principio sold the Guilford Hammerjacks in 2004 to 316 Guilford Avenue LLC, a limited liability company that lists Hunter, the club’s new owner, as the property’s resident agent.

The music will stop altogether at 316 Guilford Ave., now controlled by RWN Development Inc. and Rockville-based Bresler & Reiner Inc. The developers are flirting with the idea of opening a restaurant in the space while they finalize their plans to build a 60-story, mixed-use tower there.

The companies also plan to build another 60-story tower just blocks away from the Hammerjacks spot, on top of property where a more rock-oriented club, Sonar, operates on Saratoga Street. One…., another nightclub, sits on the opposite side of Saratoga Street. Mumpower wonders what effect the towers will have on the area’s music scene. “That completely changes that whole area,” Mumpower said.
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[HuskyMD3417]

Thats great news:tup: By 2010 Baltimore's skyline is going to look totally different. People that haven't seen it in a long time probably won't even notice it.

[Ktulured55]

http://www.arcwheeler.com/news/414FrontPage.pdf

Click the link above and read. :)

This link didn't work for me for some reason. What does it basically say? are there any new renderings?

[Ktulured55]

I hope a lot taller 800 to a 1000 feet would be nice. :tup:

If it even hits 800 ft, I will be so happy, although 717 is a large height above our Legg Mason building of 529 ft.

But 800+ :)

We need this building in either case, and plus if those other developers want to make the "tallest building in Balimore", the taller 10 Inner Harbor is, the taller they will have to build both of their buildings on the north side :cheers:

Anyone have any new construction pics of anything? (Zenith, Ritz-Carlton, Vue Harbor East, 414 Water St.) ???

[StevenW]

The link shows the approval of 10 Inner Harbor's design and gives a very LARGE picture of 10 Inner Harbor. You can rest assured that this tower will be AT LEAST 717 ft. tall. ;)

[HuskyMD3417]

414 Water st
http://www.baltimoreguy.com/images/Photographs%20414%20Lockwood%2019.jpg
The Vue Harbor East
http://www.baltimoreguy.com/images/Photographs%20Balto%202006%20Page%2010%2001.jpg

[Ktulured55]

Nice pics Husky!!!

It looks like Vue Harbor East is 15 stories? going on 16th.... that's about halfway up or so... although it will stand a good height, this building could have definately been a few stories taller or even MANY stories taller as it's right on the water and as our city continues to prosper and grow, locations like that one will be so hard to come by and get.... frankly this building could be double the height and should have no problems filling it at all. But oh well....

and Steven... if it's 717 for 10 Inner Harbor.. with all the extra money in it, I hope it is some taller 60+ stories and at least 750 ft, or 800, 900.... hehe ;)

yeah.. I went to the sight itself and could not open the pdf file, there is an error when I try to do it on this comp

[HuskyMD3417]

Yea I agree Vue Harbor east isn't tall enough. It's not even going to be noticeable from the inner harbor it's going to be block by the Marriott.

[StevenW]

Don't forget about the 4 Seasons Towers going right in front of the Vue Tower as well. :)

[Ktulured55]

But how tall is the 4 Seasons supposed to be? It will be shorter than Vue Harbor East right? That one could be taller as well....



and how did Husky now get banned? Do you know what is up with all of the Baltimore forumers getting banned? They put in good info and comments. How do they get banned? :koko: :( :( :(


I've seen people in other forums on this site use all the curse words in the book and not get banned... so that can't be it... I can't think of any other reason why they would get banned.. and is it permanent or just for a couple days or weeks?

[quabex]

i think its good to have slightly less tall buildings at the waters edge. gradually raising the height of buildings from the waterfront to the city center accomplishes multiple benefits.

-from the perception of the pedestrian walking along the waterfront promenade, the perception of space is greater with short buildings in the forefront of taller buildings in the distance. much less claustrophobic too.

-by building shorter at the waters edge, future developers who don't have the benefit of waterfront property will be forced to build taller in order for their tennets to have that highly coveted water view. this gradual slopeing up from the water is reminiscent of natures own design (think of valleys rising from the river banks).

-the gradual stepping up in height allows more people to enjoy an open view.

the original renisaince plans for the city developed in the mid 1900's had this "step up" design in mind. as growth really took off in the late 70's and through the 80's, downtown companies lobbied succesfully for amendments to the zoning laws for their projects. the result is 100 east pratt (thanks to a threat from ibm to leave baltimore...which they pretty much did anyway). and the green glass tower that was the hq of legg mason until they moved into the old usf&g tower. the result is a somewhat closed off waterfront with out the sweeping vistas and sense of place that the city planners had in mind.

a great example of a city with a good mix of low / mid / high rise construction is toronto. take a look at their skyline from the lakefront east(?) of the CN tower.

ok..enough of my rambling....oh yeah...i can't express how excited i am to think about (2) 60 floor towers over on guilford ave! can't wait to see drawings!

[StevenW]

But how tall is the 4 Seasons supposed to be? It will be shorter than Vue Harbor East right? That one could be taller as well....



and how did Husky now get banned? Do you know what is up with all of the Baltimore forumers getting banned? They put in good info and comments. How do they get banned? :koko: :( :( :(


I've seen people in other forums on this site use all the curse words in the book and not get banned... so that can't be it... I can't think of any other reason why they would get banned.. and is it permanent or just for a couple days or weeks?
He's not banned. That is what he put under his nick name.
You can change the "registered user" title to basically what ever you want to.

[Ktulured55]

He's not banned. That is what he put under his nick name.
You can change the "registered user" title to basically what ever you want to.


But it is in all caps and his name is red, just like bmorescottamanda, and marylandgirl. They all say "BANNED", and the name is red. AND none of them have posted since it has said that. So why would none of them have posted? How can that be explained? :koko:

at least we have another newbie who will hopefully give us good input and post frequently, welcome quabex!!! :)

[StevenW]

All I know is that they are at www.skyscrapercity.com a lot. :)
Why don't you visit?? :D

[Ktulured55]

All I know is that they are at www.skyscrapercity.com a lot. :)
Why don't you visit?? :D

I probably should, but i've gotten used to this one.. and I know if I go on that one I'll still have to do this one too.... and it adds to my list of things I have to check.... but I probably will. Still, it sucks that they got banned... if there are any powerful SSP beings reading this please UN-BAN the above mentioned 3 users. They only mean well :)

and if you do..... thank you :worship:

Anyways, anyone have any other updates on all these projects?

Steven, on SSC do they all 3 have the same forum names?

[StevenW]

I probably should, but i've gotten used to this one.. and I know if I go on that one I'll still have to do this one too.... and it adds to my list of things I have to check.... but I probably will. Still, it sucks that they got banned... if there are any powerful SSP beings reading this please UN-BAN the above mentioned 3 users. They only mean well :)

and if you do..... thank you :worship:

Anyways, anyone have any other updates on all these projects?

Steven, on SSC do they all 3 have the same forum names?
I think so. Come over to the other forum. There are many, many, many, many more Baltimore people there. :) :tup:

[quabex]

i'll check out ssc too. has anyone tried contacting the 'powers that be' on this site to find out what happened? they all had good input and, more importantly, good enthusiasm! on another note... i may be meeting with some folks from cignal development tomorrow...if i do, i'll get an update on the icon project (their tower on boston street).

[Ktulured55]

i'll check out ssc too. has anyone tried contacting the 'powers that be' on this site to find out what happened? they all had good input and, more importantly, good enthusiasm! on another note... i may be meeting with some folks from cignal development tomorrow...if i do, i'll get an update on the icon project (their tower on boston street).

From where I access this site, I can not go to SSC, it is blocked to me. Therefore it looks like Im staying here and ONLY here. Yes, we need some input from "the powers that be" on why everyone is getting banned. I feel that I may get banned from just talking about it. That is how random it seems. Anyways.... what icon project on Boston Street? you talking about around where Canton Crossing is and where they may put in docks for a possible cruise line? or something else? :shrug:

Keep up with the posting quabex and look at the Bmore threads in the regional forum :tup:

[StevenW]

Originally Posted by StevenW
Hi. Were you Banned from the skyscraperpage website forums??
If not please let Ktulured55 know. He thinks you and others are banned.

Steve



If you could forward this to him it will be great.

Hi (Steven W) told me to write you a email. Yes I was banned from the skyscraperpage for 30 days because me and another person in my house had an account. And the administrator said only one account per computer. I don't know why the others where banned. Ours where MdHusky3417 and Bmorescottamanda. It was going to be up in a couple of days. Please don't banned me from this site.

Thank you
Scott Lawrence
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[StevenW]

i'll check out ssc too. has anyone tried contacting the 'powers that be' on this site to find out what happened? they all had good input and, more importantly, good enthusiasm! on another note... i may be meeting with some folks from cignal development tomorrow...if i do, i'll get an update on the icon project (their tower on boston street).
Sounds good. BTW, welcome to the forum! :) :tup: :yes: :cheers: :banana:

[quabex]

well, i never did meet with the cignal folks today. too many things going on. perhaps tomorrow.

thanks for all of the nice 'welcomes'. i hope to be a mindful citizen of the group and share some of my urban planning philosophies.

cheers,
-q

[quabex]

From where I access this site, I can not go to SSC, it is blocked to me. Therefore it looks like Im staying here and ONLY here. Yes, we need some input from "the powers that be" on why everyone is getting banned. I feel that I may get banned from just talking about it. That is how random it seems. Anyways.... what icon project on Boston Street? you talking about around where Canton Crossing is and where they may put in docks for a possible cruise line? or something else? :shrug:

Keep up with the posting quabex and look at the Bmore threads in the regional forum :tup:


no, this is a seperate project from canton crossing. if you're familiar with the area, there is a parking lot between the blockbuster video, and tindeco apartments. cignal wants to build a high rise condo tower (27 floors?) and a hotel of about 14 floors. understandibly, the neighborhood is up in arms about the scale of the building. i've seen drawings and personally, i'm more upset about the hotel. the tower is sleek and arguably elegant. the hotel is just boxy. they've already lowered the tower's original height due to the outcry. but a shorter tower next to a boxy hotel building only makes the whole of the project look squatty. plus, the hotel would be right on boston street. no real set back from the community (like harborview is set away from, and down hill from the 'hood). like i said, i'll probably have a casual meeting with some of the developers soon...i'll find out whats what!

in other cignal news... (and no...i don't work for them)....
...back to the blockbuster video on boston street. the block buster is housed in a building that had been a boat storage facility with apartments above. cignal is converting the entire building into condos. not only is this a great use of prime real estate, but they're also re-designing the entire facade of one of the ugliest buildings around! the new design is MUCH more pleasing!!!

[Ktulured55]

Originally Posted by StevenW
Hi. Were you Banned from the skyscraperpage website forums??
If not please let Ktulured55 know. He thinks you and others are banned.

Steve



If you could forward this to him it will be great.

Hi (Steven W) told me to write you a email. Yes I was banned from the skyscraperpage for 30 days because me and another person in my house had an account. And the administrator said only one account per computer. I don't know why the others where banned. Ours where MdHusky3417 and Bmorescottamanda. It was going to be up in a couple of days. Please don't banned me from this site.

Thank you
Scott Lawrence
__________________



Awesome.... I'm glad to know that it isn't permanent. and both of those names represent 2 of the 3 people banned. Hope to have you back soon.
:)

[Ktulured55]

thanks for the news Q..... people complaining over only a 27 story building??? but if it's where it sounds like it will be , it will be dwarfing everything around it and should be yet another building you would be able to see from '95 (which is always a huge plus!!!) ...... I need to find some time to drive downtown and check the construction status on a few of our buildings.... anyone have pics?

[StevenW]

I say make the icon tower taller. Say, 40 stories. Just make it really slender. That way the "views" of the water will not be blocked as bad as a wider/bulkier tower. After all, wheather the tower/towers are 15 stories or 25 stories or even 40 stories, if you're on the ground from any direction, the precious "views" will always be blocked.

[quabex]

the current design og icon is very slender. and i agree...once its tall it doesn't really matter if its taller (20 stories or 40 stories). but at some point we have to look at the bigger picture. as much as i love tall buildings, i am more of an urban planner at heart. the icon plan is completely out of scale with its surroundings. i don't agree with tall buildings just for the sake of being tall. without zoning and planning you'll end up with a city like houston! tall...yes, but bizare and confusing to get around.

i think i'l be out and about today...i'll take my camera. i found a picture of the icon tower but wasn't able to insert it into a messege...can anyone help me through the process?

[StevenW]

I agree about smart urban planning as well. But, if someone, (developer), wants to add/upgrade living conditions in Baltimore AND add jobs, AND waterfront property is getting quite used/bought up, then I say, "Hey developer! Thanks for investing in my city with such a very nicelooking quality project! Please give us your best!" Not, "Hey developer! I know it's not my land or my money, but it's my view of the water, which is FAR more important than your vision of a beautiful/tall/successful project like the ICON. So, let us tell you what you can do with your money. Because, obviously we know what's best for the community even though it means that there will fewer jobs or residents moving in."
Basically, any big project done right can be a tremendous asset to a commuinty. :) Awesome project done right= $$$ for everyone, not just the developer. :)

But, I'd love to see those pix. :D I'd love to see that ICON pic, too. ;)

[Ktulured55]

Well..... the thing is... yes, it won't fit "right now" because everything else around it is shorter, but in 20 years hopefully a lot of the area will be changed and there will be more taller buildings. I agree with Steven, the taller the better in almost all aspects. It may stick out, but it helps extend our skyline more and then when the 2nd and 3rd tall buildings get built in that area it will look more natural and wont' be a big as deal. and of course the more there are (tall buildings)... the higher up in them you will have even better and more "precious" views. And of course you will have more money into the city. The bigger the better really. The more money in the city, more people ----> higher population ----> even more money .... and then can lead to -----> a metro/subway system of some sort, maybe better international flights to BWI, maybe an NBA or NHL team (since Baltimore is the biggest city witout BOTH of those major winter sports). Plus more of an opportunity to have cruise ships come to and from here. And of course all of this leads to more respect and stature for Baltimore on a national (and global) level. I'm mean look at Manhattan.... 40 stories isn't even that much.

[BTinSF]

I'm new here but I scanned through this thread and didn't see any reference to the largish dorm complex going up at my alma mater, Johns Hopkins:

http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2004/30aug04/images/30page1.jpg

It's called Charles Commons and is on 33rd St between Charles and St. Paul (across from the Homewood Campus) and is scheduled to open this year.

Also, as this is my first post, it's a bit of a technical experiment (to get the pic in and all).

[StevenW]

I'm new here but I scanned through this thread and didn't see any reference to the largish dorm complex going up at my alma mater, Johns Hopkins:

http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2004/30aug04/images/30page1.jpg

It's called Charles Commons and is on 33rd St between Charles and St. Paul (across from the Homewood Campus) and is scheduled to open this year.

Also, as this is my first post, it's a bit of a technical experiment (to get the pic in and all).
Welcome to the Forum, BTinSF! Glad to have you.
Yes, Johns Hopkins is experiencing A LOT of growth!!! :yes:
The Bio-Park and the community it's building, too, is awesome.
I'm quite suprised there wasn't a mentioning of it. :shrug:
Well, anyway, glad to have ya. Please post as often as you'd like. BTW, I'm envious of you. You're living in San Francisco? That place is awesome. I LOVE San Francisco. Can't wait to get back there one day. :yes: :tup:

[Ktulured55]

Largest dorm complex? Bigger than the ones in College Park?

Anyways, they look nice,.. I'm not sure how close they are to downtown... but anything they build amongst the skyline and/or against the water needs to be tall.

Welcome to the forum!!!!!


and since this wasn't mentioned here yet I don't think...

10 inner harbor (as per Steven) will most likely be even taller than first designed and should have the public word of final approval very soon. :)