[VivaLFuego]

The Sierra Advisors page has some other interesting nuggets.

- 1035 Van Buren seems to be plugging along, and is pretty glassy, but apparently the retail is a "Drive through opportunity" :yuck:

- Current surface lot at State/Erie appears to be set for a 2 story building with first floor retail and 4 units above, and 20 parking spaces underground. OMG. :gaah: I don't know if this is the property owner's wishes to build as-of-right, but of course the horrifying density and form given the location have Hack Reilly's greasy NIMBY-lawyer fingerprints all over it. The lot appears to have zoning of DX-7, which would allow an FAR of 7.0.

- Also, a big redevelopment planned at Lawrence/Ravenswood for the Sears Auto Center parking lot, immediately adjacent to that Metra station. I won't further ruin your day with the planned parking stats...

[wrabbit]

.....
- Current surface lot at State/Erie appears to be set for a 2 story building with first floor retail and 4 units above, and 20 parking spaces underground. OMG. :gaah: I don't know if this is the property owner's wishes to build as-of-right, but of course the horrifying density and form given the location have Hack Reilly's greasy NIMBY-lawyer fingerprints all over it.....

Interesting though that the parking is underground.

[wrabbit]

http://www.sierraadvisors.com/images/SouthLoopCommons.gif


Just aching for a green roof.

[ethereal_reality]

aching for another architect.

[Patel]

From today's Trib op-ed page, regarding the Children's Museum (both for & against):


.....Any addition or subtraction must enhance its role as Chicago’s original “public ground,” welcoming all the people of the city, whatever their race, age or economic status. The proposed Children’s Museum meets this test, for these reasons:.....
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/vox_pop/2008/04/chicago-childre.html#more

---

.....Today, the question is: “Will we protect Grant Park for future generations of Chicagoans from every corner of the city to enjoy free-of-charge as past generations protected it for us?”.....
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/vox_pop/2008/04/childrens-museu.html#more

I care for the first opinon much more.

some selected points.

...The proposed Children's Museum meets this test, for these reasons:

•It fits seamlessly into Millennium Park's cluster of cultural and entertainment venues along East Randolph Street. But those are for grown-ups and older children. The youngest have fun seeing their images in the "Bean" and splashing in Crown Fountain, but they have nothing comparable to the Harris Theater or Pritzker Pavilion. The museum, where youngsters learn while they play, fills that gap. They enjoy racing along architect Frank Gehry's serpentine bridge above Millennium, but so far it's a bridge to nowhere. In this new site, the Children's Museum will be waiting for them.

•The museum will not rob Grant Park of green space or intrude on its vistas. The building's grassy, landscaped roofs would terrace down from Randolph to the park's Bicentennial Plaza. Its highest point will be its glass entrance pavilion, rising 20 feet above Randolph to accommodate an elevator to its lower levels; the nearby Harris Theater is 39 feet high. The museum's two glass sculptures that serve as skylights rise 16 feet above Bicentennial Plaza; the Pritzker Pavilion soars 130 feet above ground level.

The museum proposal has been labeled, bizarrely, a "land grab." On the contrary, the Chicago Children's Museum is a non-profit institution that is raising $100 million to build its new home. In addition, it will replace the ugly, 12,000-square-foot concrete bunker that is the current Daley Bicentennial Plaza fieldhouse with a 20,000-square-foot grass-topped structure nestled into the corner of Randolph and Columbus Drive. The museum's board is committed to finding the resources to pay for it—a gift to the park. The elevator in the museum's entrance pavilion will be open to the public, providing disabled access to the new fieldhouse—currently there is none—and the parking garage below the plaza.

•Unlike the museum's current cramped home on Navy Pier or any of the other suggested sites for its new facility, the Grant Park location has abundant parking for cars and buses as well as excellent access to public transportation.

...

Yes, of course it is possible to find another spot somewhere in Chicago for the new museum. But it won't do for the children what the Grant Park site can do. And Grant Park, as well as the entire city, will be poorer without it.

[ethereal_reality]

I agree. I can't believe people are so adamant in opposing this.

Lets see...there is an aquarium.....there is a natural history museum....
there is an art museum.....there is a planetarium....AND a children's museum.

When you visit Millennium Park, you are surrounded by joyous children playing in the fountains.
I would love to imagine, that will be a children's museum waiting for them across the serpentine bridge.

[cbotnyse]

I agree. I can't believe people are so adamant in opposing this.

Lets see...there is an aquarium.....there is a natural history museum....
there is an art museum.....there is a planetarium....AND a children's museum.

When you visit Millennium Park, you are surrounded by joyous children playing in the fountains.
I would love to imagine, that will be a children's museum waiting for them across the serpentine bridge.I think I'm with ya. I've been on the fence about this issue because I am a big believer in "forever open clear and free." But I think a cultural institution such as the CCM is a very positive addition to the park, and I think the design tries to respect the park as well.

The best benefit I think this would have is it would encourage young families to move downtown. Thats why I think this location works best.

[k1052]

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/music/879715,SHO-Sunday-dero06.article


Concert promoters in tug-of-war over 'jewel'
Legal battle between Jam, Live Nation drags on as Uptown Theatre crumbles

[emathias]

...
- Current surface lot at State/Erie appears to be set for a 2 story building with first floor retail and 4 units above, and 20 parking spaces underground. OMG. :gaah: I don't know if this is the property owner's wishes to build as-of-right, but of course the horrifying density and form given the location have Hack Reilly's greasy NIMBY-lawyer fingerprints all over it. The lot appears to have zoning of DX-7, which would allow an FAR of 7.0...

Viva -

Considering that 9 West Erie is on the Rundown and is being actively marketed for that site, I think that takes precedence over the 2006-dated plans from that website. :-)

[honte]

So, any word on what the outcome of this was, anyway?

I was not at the meeting, but I hear it was passed, with some small concerns from the owner, but not outright opposition. Now the preliminary designation goes through the regular motions and will end up at City Council for a vote. With the support of Alderman Reilly and basic endorsement by the owner, there should be no problem securing this designation.

[VivaLFuego]

Viva -

Considering that 9 West Erie is on the Rundown and is being actively marketed for that site, I think that takes precedence over the 2006-dated plans from that website. :-)

Phew, I pray to the parking gods that you are correct.

[Nowhereman1280]

no, no, no... if we're going to build man-made islands off the lakeshore, they should be shaped like cool things... like FIRE or a TRUCK... or the word FREEDOM! but not a PALM TREE, that would be silly. :tup:

I'd go with a Giraffe Shaped one...

:haha: why a TRUCK? how about a snowflake? I seriously wonder if residential development would sell at premium prices if something like that ever happened. Could you imagine how cold the winters would be living on the lake?

It probably wouldn't be all that bad, it would be windy, but at least the air would be somewhat warmed by blowing over the relatively warm waters of the lake. Then again, when the lake ice gets to your island you are fucked because then it will just be cold as hell...


Also, I WANT THE UPTOWN RENOVATED AND I WANT IT DONE NOW!!!

[intrepidDesign]

Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, but as soon as I found it, I was overjoyed. I love architecture, especially in Chicago. For all it’s up and downs the city is seeing quite an architectural renaissance. Anyway, I’m glad to be here, and I have a small blog with discussions about aesthetic improvements to Chicago, both architecturally and street level. I welcome any discussion/debate/critique on these subjects and hope to get involved someday with improving our fair city. Cheers!

Chicago Looking Towards The Future (http://futureofchicago.blogspot.com/)

[nomarandlee]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/885167,CST-NWS-museum09.article

Museum Campus tunnel coming
LAKEFRONT | Project to make parking a little trickier

April 9, 2008Recommend

BY ANDREW HERRMANN Staff reporter aherrmann@suntimes.com

Lakefront museum-goers and music fans will face construction this summer near Northerly Island as workers build a tunnel under Solidarity Drive.

The underground pedestrian passage will link the lakefront paths just south of Shedd Aquarium.

Currently, the corner of Solidarity Drive and the Museum Campus Circle Drive can be a harried spot as joggers, walkers and bicyclists compete with motorists often unfamiliar with the right of way. The Shedd Aquarium, the Adler Planetarium and the Field Museum drew 3.7 million visitors last year...

[jjk1103]

..

......a much needed improvement !! ......hopefully, someday we'll get one in front of Buckingham Fountain.....

[aic4ever]

......a much needed improvement !! ......hopefully, someday we'll get one in front of Buckingham Fountain.....

In the meantime they've just got any foot traffic barricaded off from crossing there now. :yuck:

[aic4ever]

I'd go with a Giraffe Shaped one...



It probably wouldn't be all that bad, it would be windy, but at least the air would be somewhat warmed by blowing over the relatively warm waters of the lake. Then again, when the lake ice gets to your island you are fucked because then it will just be cold as hell...


Also, I WANT THE UPTOWN RENOVATED AND I WANT IT DONE NOW!!!

I'd think they'd need to build a mad breakwater for any man-made islands in the lake. Houses on the lakefront need to be conscious of the lake throwing rocks when the winds pick up and the lake gets mean. Just worked on a proposal for a house on the lake where they wanted hurricane glass to help protect against something like an 8 pound rock getting spit out at 90 mph. Interesting stuff.

[aic4ever]

....changing gears for a moment, I'm not sure if the "South Loop Commons" project has been mentioned here before. It's at Canal/Taylor, across from the Southgate Market.
http://www.sierraadvisors.com/Chicago-city.aspx

http://www.sierraadvisors.com/images/SouthLoopCommons.gif

To replace an existing non-descript 1-2story 30s/40s era yellow brick warehouse/industrial building.

I have to say, I'm a little disappointed by the density of the project, though the overall form/use fits in the apparent character of the neighborhood. It's just a shame there won't be any mixed uses in this neck of the woods to keep things vibrant after hours.

This looks like it should be a UN Headquarters or something...definitely not a fan of this thing at Roosevelt & Taylor...can't see why they'd design something so nondescript to replace something that's already nondescript, especially when the guys that did Southgate across the street at least managed to make their big retail box fairly interesting. Guess it always comes down to cramming in the saleable square footage, though. :shrug:

[ethereal_reality]

the tunnel is great news.

...but what about the 'elusive' bridge connecting the Buckingham Fountain area with the lakefront.
I believe this 'crossing' is called 'Queen Elizabeth Way', or something like that. During her visit (I don't remember the year),
she disembarked at the dock directly east of Buckingham Fountain...and hence the name.

You definitely take your life in your hands crossing LSD at that point.
It's physically impossible to reach the opposite side before the light changes.

[Haworthia]

the tunnel is great news.

...but what about the 'elusive' bridge connecting the Buckingham Fountain area with the lakefront.
I believe this 'crossing' is called 'Queen Elizabeth Way', or something like that. During her visit (I don't remember the year),
she disembarked at the dock directly east of Buckingham Fountain...and hence the name.

You definitely take your life in your hands crossing LSD at that point.
It's physically impossible to reach the opposite side before the light changes.
I thought the 'Queen Elizabeth Way' was a highway in Canada.:shrug:

Anyway, I hate trying to cross LSD there too. Is it realistic that LSD could be buried? I know that's right near a small body of water or something. What's the lake called again?

[spyguy]

http://chicagojournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=46&SubSectionID=139&ArticleID=4535&TM=83781.6

Payless building to become artist lofts
Supportive housing snub riles activists

By TIMOTHY INKLEBARGER

he Chicago Department of Planning and Development has given preliminary approval to a proposal that would convert the six-story Morris B. Sachs Building at 2800 N. Milwaukee to affordable housing for artists.

...The building will be LEED certified as a green building and include a rooftop garden, solar heating for water and possibly a wind turbine for electricity in common areas, Sciortino said.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6421/4535anx1.jpg

[Mr Downtown]

"Queen's Landing" is the name for the quayside in Monroe Harbor where Queen Elizabeth II disembarked from the royal yacht in 1959, when she visited to mark the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway.

After a couple of bad accidents in the 1980s, the city's acting transportation commissioner ordered a pedestrian signal installed on Lake Shore Drive at this location. About four years ago, Mayor Daley somehow became convinced that the signal was impeding traffic flow and imperiously ordered its removal.

Calls for its reinstallation, including some from Ald. Reilly, have been met with suspicious footdragging at CDOT, and spurious claims that they are "studying" the signal timing. In the summer, young tourists vault over the barricades. There will be another bad accident soon. I can only hope it isn't fatal.

[wrabbit]

The city rolled out a (real) red carpet between the landing & Buckingham Fountain.

[Jibba]

http://chicagojournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=46&SubSectionID=139&ArticleID=4535&TM=83781.6

Payless building to become artist lofts
Supportive housing snub riles activists

By TIMOTHY INKLEBARGER

he Chicago Department of Planning and Development has given preliminary approval to a proposal that would convert the six-story Morris B. Sachs Building at 2800 N. Milwaukee to affordable housing for artists.

...The building will be LEED certified as a green building and include a rooftop garden, solar heating for water and possibly a wind turbine for electricity in common areas, Sciortino said.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6421/4535anx1.jpg

Good news. I was just admiring this building the other day and hoped that good use could be made out of such a simple, pleasant structure. It will certainly provide a nice home for those who have been priced out of Wicker Park.

[cbotnyse]

I'd actually like to see a bridge over LSD at BF, rather than an underground tunnel, but I'll take either one. Its ridiculous that there isnt one on that spot, if you think about it.

[VivaLFuego]

he Chicago Department of Planning and Development has given preliminary approval to a proposal that would convert the six-story Morris B. Sachs Building at 2800 N. Milwaukee to affordable housing for artists.

What's impressive is that a developer apparently managed to acheive a quintessential community-vision focus group circle jerk wet dream ("affordable housing for artists") without a straight up TIF subsidy. I hope they've got their financial ducks in a row and this happens, sounds like a cool project.

[jjk1103]

What's impressive is that a developer apparently managed to acheive a quintessential community-vision focus group circle jerk wet dream ("affordable housing for artists") without a straight up TIF subsidy. I hope they've got their financial ducks in a row and this happens, sounds like a cool project.

.I agree. .........isn't this building a duplication for the "artist colony building" at Milwaukee & Damen (where they have the "Around the Coyote" Festival each year) ? ....I know it's a mile north of that building, but still quite a concentration for the artist community ! (not that I'm complaining) !

[Chicago3rd]

Sorry, but I love it!
http://WilBSnodgrassiii.smugmug.com/photos/277541864_YNaRJ-X2.jpg

[spyguy]

^It's got that Third World charm.

[VivaLFuego]

Looks like an Ikea apartment building or something. I like it.

[Busy Bee]

One Catalpa: OK

Two Catalpa: Not so bad

10+ Catalpa: Shitfest

[Marcu]

A nice change of pace from the 60s/70s concrete blah all over Edgewater.

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

Sorry, but I love it!

ME TOO!!!!! AND NOT EVEN IN AN IRONIC WAY!!!!

Also, has anyone seen the new rendering (http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/626/221626.jpg) of 2800 Lincoln up at YoChicago? I'm not sure if we're allowed to post their pictures so the link will have to suffice...

[intrepidDesign]

meh. :koko:

[Abner]

Also, has anyone seen the new rendering (http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/626/221626.jpg) of 2800 Lincoln up at YoChicago? I'm not sure if we're allowed to post their pictures so the link will have to suffice...

How are windows like that safe?

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

How are windows like that safe?

sometimes sacrifices must be made

[honte]

Anyone want to bet that those front balconies won't be built as cantilevers?

[StatenIslander237]

How are windows like that safe?

Don't be a dumbass, and you won't fall out your window. :)
It's that simple people.

What 'L' station is that near? (as shown in the picture)

[Abner]

Don't be a dumbass, and you won't fall out your window. :)


What if my dog or my small child is a dumbass? Not to make a big deal out of it, I'm just wondering if they just put in really strong screens or what.

[the urban politician]

Spotted a neighborhood development. Nothing extraordinary, though somewhat unique because it's on a corner slice of a 6-corner intersection (Diversey/Lincoln). That's one property type for which we haven't seen a cookie-cutter "new condo building" in this boom. This is a rather small lot, that is currently just a bunch of gravel. Looks like 9 units + 1 corner retail spot. I wonder if the gods will smile and have the corner retail space be something other than a bank branch, real estate broker's office, or cell phone store? Is even a mere Cold Stone Creamery or some such too much to ask?

http://2800lincoln.com/index.php

http://2800lincoln.com/uploads/images/18_0810_helios_diversey_final_v2_u.jpg

^ There seems to be a somewhat different rendering of this project here (http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/626/221626.jpg) (and it's 33% sold)

[i_am_hydrogen]

^Interesting. I just saw an ad in today's Red Eye for this project, and it includes a picture of the design Viva posted.

[VivaLFuego]

The only notable difference is in the facade treatment, otherwise the form looks quite similar. I like that the first-floor retail space comes all the way to the corner, and wish they would have had the upper floors do the same for an intersection-awesomeifying flatiron effect.

Either of these will be 100 times better than the gravel lot there now.

[honte]

What if my dog or my small child is a dumbass? Not to make a big deal out of it, I'm just wondering if they just put in really strong screens or what.

No, it's not a stupid question.

In fact, it's a question that designers need to ask and do ask. Dogs, potted plants, curios, babies, and jars of lupini beans can all fall out of windows. :frog:

Many building codes now limit the aperture and angle of projection of operable windows for this reason, particularly in high rises.

[spyguy]

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?articleId=29640

Bucktown blockbuster
By: Thomas A. Corfman April 14, 2008

A little-known developer has paid $18.4 million for a landmark bank building in the heart of Bucktown, a stunning price for a small structure far from downtown and the latest sign of the revival, or ruin, of the once-gritty neighborhood of boutiques and art galleries.
...
The 24,000-square-foot building, including the basement, would probably be divided among several tenants, including possibly a restaurant or nightclub, he says, though he hasn't lined any up yet.

Mr. Goldman says the value of the deal is boosted by the parking lots. At 1611-15 N. Damen, he says he would build a three-story, brick-façade structure with about 10,800 square feet of retail space and parking for up to 70 cars, depending on zoning approval.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4259/og041408jva1.jpg

[Nowhereman1280]

What if my dog or my small child is a dumbass?

Then natural selection occurs... ;) jk The windows probably are designed to be high enough off the floor so that small things couldn't get out them unless they climbed up some ill placed furniture.


What 'L' station is that near? (as shown in the picture)

It is between Catalpa and Bryn Mawr and that is the Bryn Mawr stop on the Red Line.

[jjk1103]

they're taking down the final tower crane at the Art Institute Modern Wing

[VivaLFuego]

Then natural selection occurs... ;) jk
I know it's just a joke and you aren't trying to be offensive, but in the context of Chicago, where I remember the perception of an epidemic of babies falling to their deaths out of windows from housing projects, that joke is sorta poor taste. Just a friendly fyi...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7D71239F930A25752C0A967958260

[SolarWind]

April 7, 2008

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2339/dsc0139jv0.jpg

[aic4ever]

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?articleId=29640

Bucktown blockbuster
By: Thomas A. Corfman April 14, 2008

A little-known developer has paid $18.4 million for a landmark bank building in the heart of Bucktown, a stunning price for a small structure far from downtown and the latest sign of the revival, or ruin, of the once-gritty neighborhood of boutiques and art galleries.
...
The 24,000-square-foot building, including the basement, would probably be divided among several tenants, including possibly a restaurant or nightclub, he says, though he hasn't lined any up yet.

Mr. Goldman says the value of the deal is boosted by the parking lots. At 1611-15 N. Damen, he says he would build a three-story, brick-façade structure with about 10,800 square feet of retail space and parking for up to 70 cars, depending on zoning approval.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4259/og041408jva1.jpg

This is insane! $18.4 million for 24,000 sqft? Wow. $767/sqft just to purchase. A renovation of that building is probably going to push $300 to $350 per sqft now that the neighborhood has been landmarked (looks like a LOT of terra cotta on that facade) and, of course, Landmarks is now going to be involved with any renovations there. This guy is looking at having to recover $1100/sqft on his purchase, just to break even. Most developers I've worked with are gunning for a two to one, if not a three to one return via their leases. Let's say he works out some 15 year leases in there, on the two-to-one return, he needs to go for at least $2200/sqft over fifteen years to make what he wants, which comes out to about $147/sqft per year in rent (not sure myself if Bucktown warrants this kind of per square foot price, I'd have to do some research on what retail space is renting for over there). That's somebody coming into that space willing to drop $3,520,000 a year on rent, and at that if it's one tenant for the whole building willing to average that. If it goes all retail the street level stuff is worth more than the upper floors, so you're probably looking at something like Oak Street level prices in that space for the street level.

If this guy is gonna make this deal work for himself it sure looks like Bucktown ought to get ready to say hello to the Prada's, Coach's, Ferragamo's and MAC's of the world. Not that that would be surprising considering all the high end retail that's already on its way into that general area anyway, however I kind of question if he's going to find anyone to pay Oak Street rates for Bucktown. :shrug:

[Marcu]

This one's for Steely:

Oh no! Not open air seating. :koko:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-marina-towersapr14,0,465886.story


Dick's Last Resort's interest in Marina Towers has condo owners circling the wagons

Residents especially aghast at plans for open-air seating
By E.A. Torriero

Tribune reporter

April 14, 2008

In the contentious and checkered history of two iconic corncob towers along the Chicago River, a new spat over a boisterous establishment downstairs hardly registers as a blip.

[Via Chicago]

This one's for Steely:

Oh no! Not open air seating. :koko:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-marina-towersapr14,0,465886.story


Dick's Last Resort's interest in Marina Towers has condo owners circling the wagons

Residents especially aghast at plans for open-air seating
By E.A. Torriero

Tribune reporter

April 14, 2008

In the contentious and checkered history of two iconic corncob towers along the Chicago River, a new spat over a boisterous establishment downstairs hardly registers as a blip.

A) Thats really a poorly written article.
B) This plan makes me want to puke. Seriously, Dick's Last Resort? What the hell is it that attracts people to this kitsch...I'm sure Smith & Wollensky next door must be thrilled...

And honestly, thats all besides the point. The plan as I've seen it absolutely desecrates the base of the tower. Goldberg must be rolling over in his grave.

[k1052]

Heh...I saw the stop work order on the windows at Marina City and wondered what was going on.

I really don't understand what the big deal is, they already have the HOB right underneath them and its not like it is the quietest of neighbors

[Via Chicago]

Did anyone see the renderings of the proposed Childrens Museum in Lynn Beckers column? Are these things up to date? How can anyone in their right mind defend this?

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/ccmatrium.jpg

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/ccmrandolph.jpg

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/critique.htm

[aaron38]

Hmm, those CM renderings look like a weird open pit quartz mine.
I can see how the glass makes the walls look like a natural formation,(you know, it'd look like a rock cliff if it wasn't glass) but I don't know how that doesn't qualify as a building.

Walking over a roof with a few skylights is one thing, but that big pit is way too disruptive.

[jpIllInoIs]

^^ Sort of looks like the new facade of the Speritus Museum...weren't some folks gaga over that? ;)

[spyguy]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/893197,CST-NWS-studio14.article

Hollywood, IL
BY LISA DONOVAN

The reclusive Wachowski brothers, two of Chicago's creative sons best known for their Matrix movies, have found an equally unassuming North Side spot to edit their projects.

City officials say a post-production studio will open in what has been known as the Ravenswood Studio, 5645 N. Ravenswood, just north of Bryn Mawr.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9866/041408studiocstfeed2008am8.jpg

[intrepidDesign]

This is fantastic news! Being in postproduction myself, I know how badly Chicago needs big names like the Wachowski's. All of us in the post community are crossing our fingers that OWN (Oprah's Network) will be primarily based here. Which would seem to be the case as the area around Harpo is continually being developed for the studio's use. ;)

On a totally separate note. Does anyone have any rendering or floor plans of the express L station going under block 37? I'm curious how they plan to design this. Chicago's train stations are HURTING for an update.

[emathias]

...
City officials say a post-production studio will open in what has been known as the Ravenswood Studio, 5645 N. Ravenswood, just north of Bryn Mawr.
...

That's good news. The ability of Chicago to win big movies here can play a big role in increasing our international reputation - people see a city in a movie and it can stick with them better then even a hundred references in print media.

The Batman franchise having two films here now, and that Wanted movie, should both showcase the city well. It's definitely getting more work, and having a post-processing studio here will definitely help.

[ethereal_reality]

^^^
It's cool they found a place relatively close
to where the silent film studios used to be.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4199/essanayvg1.jpg

[Jibba]

Concerning the purchase of the bank in Bucktown: I will be glad to see those parking lots gone (well most likely just the one on Damen), but I hope that the "three-story, brick-façade structure with about 10,800 square feet of retail" being developed on the lot on Damen includes something better than the DQ being built just up the street by the same fellow.

Now I fear that Cafe Absinthe is at risk of being bought up and converted into a back considering the conversion of Midwest Bank into different retail space will prevent the intersection from meeting the four-bank-branches-per-six-way-intersection quota.

[Nowhereman1280]

Did anyone see the renderings of the proposed Childrens Museum in Lynn Beckers column? Are these things up to date? How can anyone in their right mind defend this?


I love that design, however it cements my opposition to placing it in the park. That is completely unreasonable, how can anyone argue that is non-invasive to the park space? Last time I checked giant pits disrupt park space...

However, it would be sweet if it were built elsewhere...

[simcityaustin]

A) Thats really a poorly written article.
B) This plan makes me want to puke. Seriously, Dick's Last Resort? What the hell is it that attracts people to this kitsch...I'm sure Smith & Wollensky next door must be thrilled...

And honestly, thats all besides the point. The plan as I've seen it absolutely desecrates the base of the tower. Goldberg must be rolling over in his grave.

My friends who go to Chicago to visit get a kick out of Dick's Last Resort...people enjoy the rude atmosphere I suppose. You don't see that kind of thing everywhere.

[jc5680]

My friends who go to Chicago to visit get a kick out of Dick's Last Resort...people enjoy the rude atmosphere I suppose. You don't see that kind of thing everywhere.


That is exactly why it shouldn't be at the base of marina city. imo

[intrepidDesign]

Didn't Dick's have a huge rat problem like a year ago, either that or there was food poisoning. Something awful thats for sure. In any event, Marina City is too iconic to have a place like this go in at its base. Yuk.

[Patel]

I love that design, however it cements my opposition to placing it in the park. That is completely unreasonable, how can anyone argue that is non-invasive to the park space? Last time I checked giant pits disrupt park space...

However, it would be sweet if it were built elsewhere...

As an "anti-build anywhere viewpoint tilt or bias" in Grant Park article from Lynn, I would not trust such grainy renders from this source at all. I would suspect that only the most offensive renders were posted to make her point.

I would wait for a more professional presentation of the details of the Chicago Children's Museum.

[budman]

There is really going to be a Dairy Queen in Block 37??:yuck:
And I personally loathe Dicks Last resort, and to put it right on the river, inside this masterpiece, is a real downer. I can only hope that the facade is in sopme way protected. It is one of the cheesiest, dumbest chains around. This is a shame.

[emathias]

...
I'm sure Smith & Wollensky next door must be thrilled
...

I've always thought of Smith and Wollensky as just a theme restaurant for steak-eaters ...

[cbotnyse]

Did anyone see the renderings of the proposed Childrens Museum in Lynn Beckers column? Are these things up to date? How can anyone in their right mind defend this?

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/ccmatrium.jpg

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/ccmrandolph.jpg

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/chicagochildrensmusuem/critique.htmwhats wrong with it?

There is really going to be a Dairy Queen in Block 37??:yuck:
And I personally loathe Dicks Last resort, and to put it right on the river, inside this masterpiece, is a real downer. I can only hope that the facade is in sopme way protected. It is one of the cheesiest, dumbest chains around. This is a shame.I was away for a few days and I come back to this news? :yuck: indeed.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ What is wrong with DQ? I love that ice cream. There are no decently price ice cream joints anywhere in the area except DQ.

As an "anti-build anywhere viewpoint tilt or bias" in Grant Park article from Lynn, I would not trust such grainy renders from this source at all. I would suspect that only the most offensive renders were posted to make her point.

I would wait for a more professional presentation of the details of the Chicago Children's Museum.

I know I gigantic glassy pit when I see one. Its kinda hard to fudge a giant glassy pit by only displaying the most offensive renders.

That said, I have reason to believe (I've had a peek that suggests otherwise) that is an old design and the new one only includes crystal like sky lights. Or is it the other way around? Is the skylight version old and this new? I can't remember, but either way there are two designs floating around if there is any legitimacy to what Lynn Becker posted.

[honte]

Pssst, Lynn Becker is a man.

DQ at Block 37: Pity we went from having a potentially world-class development to getting excited over a Dairy Queen.

Grant Park: No comment, although the sections shown by PilsenArch seem to suggest that these are old renders.

Dick's: Crying shame, particularly if they proceed with the facade and plaza massacre they were proposing.

[pilsenarch]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/arts/chi-080406museum-photogallery,1,563811.photogallery

I'll post this again for anyone interested.....

Again, I find the sections near the end of the series comparing the existing condition of Daley Bi with the proposed CCM very illuminating (pun intended)...

IMO, it would be difficult to argue that the proposal is a net negative for the park, if not a substantial benefit....

[cbotnyse]

^^^ What is wrong with DQ? I love that ice cream. There are no decently price ice cream joints anywhere in the area except DQ.why not throw a Pizza Hut and Taco Bell in there too?

[wrabbit]

^ And a White Castle.

[emathias]

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DQ at Block 37: Pity we went from having a potentially world-class development to getting excited over a Dairy Queen. ...

A "world class" development often has room to have something for everyone. There are mass market fast food (and/or fast casual) places in "world-class" developments around the world. Why should this one be any different? Sure, you don't want it totally filled with Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell and Popeye's, but a few mall-style junk food places aren't going to preclude it from being world-class.

Think of them as beauty marks on otherwise perfect developments. If it's good enough for Marylin Monroe, it's good enough for Block 37. ;-)

[aic4ever]

why not throw a Pizza Hut and Taco Bell in there too?

KentuckyFriedLongJohnPizzaTacoSilverChickenBell Hut

www.yum.com

Awesome :sly:

[wrabbit]

Apparently the first in a series of Trib editorial alternatives to the GP CCM site proposal:

Children's Museum, Option 1
Chicago Tribune, April 15, 2008
.....(I)magine a shimmering, multitiered Children's Museum rising from the Riverwalk to an entry pavilion on Upper Wacker Drive. Buses and autos safely could approach on all levels of Wacker, with shuttles ferrying visitors to multiple entry points from Grant Park's underground parking.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0415edit1apr15,0,2682339.story

[brian_b]

^ And a White Castle.

Sounds great. I enjoy sharing a crave case with friends once a year or maybe every other year...

If they're adding fast food, they should definitely add a Chik-Fil-A. We need one in Chicago.

[Steely Dan]

DQ at B37: great news in general, though bad news for my waistline. that deliciously tempting and creamy soft-serve is highly addictive.

DLR at MC: as a MC resident, i don't really see the problem. that retail space has been vacant for what, like 10 years now. DLR wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but it's better than having the space sit empty for another 10 years. as for those crying over the planned garage doors to have open air seating at DLR, the base of the marina city complex has been so monkeyed around with that i'm sure even goldberg himself wouldn't care all that much anymore. the true travesty to MC was smith & wollensky's, jesus christ, who okayed that pile of shit at the base of those magnificent towers?

the tribune article about this issue GREATLY overstated the opposition to DLR by MC residents. it seems to me that the VAST majority of MC residents are pretty indifferent about the whole thing. those in the opposition managed to get 100 signatures on their petition out of the 1,400 people who actually live here. that's not even 10%; hardly a mandate that would warrant an article sub-title about "circling the wagons". the fact is, most people don't care, and i would imagine that after dick's opens up, it will probably become a fairly popular place for the younger set of MC residents to hang out at and socialize. there are a good number of people at marina city (myself included) who really can't afford to go out for $100/person steak dinners often (S & W), but who can afford a $10 dollar cheeseburger and a couple of beers on a regular basis.

[simcityaustin]

May I also support the DQ. It's delicious! I don't think one DQ is going to ruin the image. Some chains have a way of being able to spruce up their image when they're in high profile locations, so maybe this will happen here.

[cbotnyse]

10 years that has sat empty? wow I wasnt aware of that.

Dick's and DQ are still both garbage. Lets not kid ourselves, if we are adding an ice ream place and a burger joint it should be Cold Stone and a Portillios, but that is a debate for another thread. :P

[wholehog]

DQ at B37: great news in general, though bad news for my waistline. that deliciously tempting and creamy soft-serve is highly addictive.

DLR at MC: as a MC resident, i don't really see the problem. that retail space has been vacant for what, like 10 years now. DLR wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but it's better than having the space sit empty for another 10 years. as for those crying over the planned garage doors to have open air seating at DLR, the base of the marina city complex has been so monkeyed around with that i'm sure even goldberg himself wouldn't care all that much anymore. the true travesty to MC was smith & wollensky's, jesus christ, who okayed that pile of shit at the base of those magnificent towers?

the tribune article about this issue GREATLY overstated the opposition to DLR by MC residents. it seems to me that the VAST majority of MC residents are pretty indifferent about the whole thing. those in the opposition managed to get 100 signatures on their petition out of the 1,400 people who actually live here. that's not even 10%; hardly a mandate that would warrant an article sub-title about "circling the wagons". the fact is, most people don't care, and i would imagine that after dick's opens up, it will probably become a fairly popular place for the younger set of MC residents to hang out at and socialize. there are a good number of people at marina city (myself included) who really can't afford to go out for $100/person steak dinners often (S & W), but who can afford a $10 dollar cheeseburger and a couple of beers on a regular basis.

I am a fellow MC resident. The plans for Dick's call for the demolition of half of the "podium" glass to create a 10' deep outdoor seating area. The new materials are shown to be garage doors, cement siding and storefront windows. Even with all the changes at MC over the years, Goldberg's continuous glass podium from State to Dearborn is still intact and should be preserved.

[honte]

A "world class" development often has room to have something for everyone. There are mass market fast food (and/or fast casual) places in "world-class" developments around the world. Why should this one be any different? Sure, you don't want it totally filled with Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell and Popeye's, but a few mall-style junk food places aren't going to preclude it from being world-class.

Think of them as beauty marks on otherwise perfect developments. If it's good enough for Marylin Monroe, it's good enough for Block 37. ;-)

Sure it does. No argument against average stuff downtown, although I think there are far too many chains in our CBD.

My point is that DQ is possibly the most exciting thing happening for me at Block 37, aside from the transit link. That's a shame. I mean, this is downtown Chicago. Dairy Queen should not be exciting, no matter where it goes.

[Steely Dan]

I am a fellow MC resident. The plans for Dick's call for the demolition of half of the "podium" glass to create a 10' deep outdoor seating area. The new materials are shown to be garage doors, cement siding and storefront windows. Even with all the changes at MC over the years, Goldberg's continuous glass podium from State to Dearborn is still intact and should be preserved.

the podium structure never seemed all that special with me to begin with, the magic of MC for me has always been the towers and the theater structure, and the office building (now hotel) is pretty good too, but the podium level, both interior and exterior, is no longer anything special at all in my opinion. i like the idea of pushing the glass wall in 10 ft. to create some open air dining space. it will be better for the river during the warmer months to have people dining outside instead of couped-up behind a glass wall, even if that means we have to live with some rather unattractive garage door type closures during the colder months. that's a compromise i'm willing to make to get that long-dead retail space under the west tower back to activated use.

[honte]

^ Well Steely, the base has been compromised, but that's no reason to continue to mess it up. Even if it seems like "nothing special" now, it could be restored... the further we take it away from its true state, the worse off we are. I hear your concerns about vacant space, but I am sure with the Trump tower coming on line and continued revival of State Street, Dick's interest is indicative of a trend, not an isolated case.

Concerning outdoor seating, isn't that what plazas are for? I don't understand the need to create more outdoor space.

Of course, the theatre has been radically altered from its original design too, but that doesn't invalidate it, right?

Last, one may or may not like individual elements of Marina City, but there is no denying it is an ensemble. Shouldn't it be treated as such?

I am a fellow MC resident. The plans for Dick's call for the demolition of half of the "podium" glass to create a 10' deep outdoor seating area. The new materials are shown to be garage doors, cement siding and storefront windows. Even with all the changes at MC over the years, Goldberg's continuous glass podium from State to Dearborn is still intact and should be preserved.

Thank you. Agreed 100%.

[Steely Dan]

^ i don't think the way that the podium was designed in the first pace was good or worthy of preservation. MC is an ensemble, but i don't see the big deal in fixing the few aspects that goldberg got wrong. the podium isn't anything special now, nor was it ever in my opinion. i'm all for fixing it and building more al fresco dining along the river. activity-generation trumps architecture for me in this instance, probably because the podium was pretty blah and forgettable to begin with.

[emathias]

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Dick's and DQ are still both garbage. Lets not kid ourselves, if we are adding an ice ream place and a burger joint it should be Cold Stone and a Portillios, but that is a debate for another thread. :P

I'm sorry, but while Portillos is at least a local chain, Coldstone is an out-of-state chain that, let's be honest here, is only about 1/2 step up from Dairy Queen when you get right down to it.

I'd recommend something along the lines of Bobtail Ice Cream (http://www.bobtailicecream.com/) if you wanted a local, good, quality ice cream place.

[jstush04]

I'm sorry, but while Portillos is at least a local chain, Coldstone is an out-of-state chain that, let's be honest here, is only about 1/2 step up from Dairy Queen when you get right down to it.

I'd recommend something along the lines of Bobtail Ice Cream (http://www.bobtailicecream.com/) if you wanted a local, good, quality ice cream place.

I fuckin hate coldstone. Ben&Jerry's or Oberweiss are probably 3 times better than coldstone, and I would never say coldstone is better than DQ, just more expensive. as long as we're going with the "what restaurant is swell" theme

[cbotnyse]

I'm sorry, but while Portillos is at least a local chain, Coldstone is an out-of-state chain that, let's be honest here, is only about 1/2 step up from Dairy Queen when you get right down to it.

I'd recommend something along the lines of Bobtail Ice Cream (http://www.bobtailicecream.com/) if you wanted a local, good, quality ice cream place.isnt DQ an out-of-state chain too? At any rate the very best choice would be a local shop. My recommendation would be Original Rainbow Cone (http://chicago.metromix.com/restaurants/ice_cream_frozen_yogurt/original-rainbow-cone-beverly-mt-greenwood/134721/content). :)

I think a DQ here just cheapens the site, or at the very least, doesnt make it original at all. Would everyone here be OK with DQ opening on Michigan Ave? I wouldnt think so, and the same should apply for this local.

Block 37 is the heart of our city. I've always said this site deserves something that will bring locals back and be something to remember for a visitor. Do you think people are going to go back home after a visit here and say, "I had the best DQ ice cream cone when I was downtown!"

I live 3 blocks from the site and still dont see a reason to ever go there. B37 has disappointed me in every way so far. :(

[intrepidDesign]

Michigan Ave has a Chipotle, as well as a few other chains. So even this great street isn't immune. Block 37 is awesome IMO, but its no Michigan Ave. So if not DQ, what should go in there? Another jewelery/clothing store thats so expensive only 1% of Chicago can shop there? Or maybe a super high end restaurant that commuters rushing to the new station below can wait an hour to order their food?

[cbotnyse]

Michigan Ave has a Chipotle, as well as a few other chains. So even this great street isn't immune. Block 37 is awesome IMO, but its no Michigan Ave. So if not DQ, what should go in there? Another jewelery/clothing store thats so expensive only 1% of Chicago can shop there? Or maybe a super high end restaurant that commuters rushing to the new station below can wait an hour to order their food?North Michigan Ave doesn't.

There should be mid-priced restaurants and retail there, not fast food. I never said "super high end." Something unique, something different, something memorable, so far B37 has none of that.

I do like the CBS studio, and the movie theater, but I am very underwhelmed overall.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ Yes there is, there is a Chipoltle just south of the river, which is still N. Michigan by about 3-4 blocks.

Honestly I don't care if things are memorable, that's what the tourist district by Hancock is for, the Loop can stay practical since 80% of the people that go their either work or live there.

10 years that has sat empty? wow I wasnt aware of that.

Dick's and DQ are still both garbage. Lets not kid ourselves, if we are adding an ice ream place and a burger joint it should be Cold Stone and a Portillios, but that is a debate for another thread. :P

I hate Cold Stone, I'm going to stab Cold Stone with a knife...

DQ is way better and I spend so much time down there that I freaking want one there so that I may feast upon cool treats at a moments whim.

[cbotnyse]

^^^ Yes there is, there is a Chipoltle just south of the river, which is still N. Michigan by about 3-4 blocks.

Honestly I don't care if things are memorable, that's what the tourist district by Hancock is for, the Loop can stay practical since 80% of the people that go their either work or live there.ok dude, dont go all technical on me. I meant the Magnificent Mile, and that is north of the river. You know what I meant. And where in all hell did you pull that 80% number from? I walk through the loop (down state street) almost everyday, and I can promise you, it is mostly tourists. There is probably 10 times more residential units around the Hancock building then B37. People live there, they dont live in the loop. That is changing, but I certainly dont think DQ is going to encourage people to move there. Not that any ice cream shop would, but its just another small failure of B37.

I hate Cold Stone, I'm going to stab Cold Stone with a knife...

DQ is way better and I spend so much time down there that I freaking want one there so that I may feast upon cool treats at a moments whim.go try birthday cake flavor at CS. it will change your life.

[Marcu]

mmmm chipotle. Amazing how a Mcdonalds brand can appeal to so many urban left leaning people that otherwise hate mcdonalds and everything it stands for.

Can someone please explain to me this fascination with "local" chains opening in new developments in Chicago (as opposed to a national chain owned by a local franchisee, or for that matter a non local franchisee). Is it some sot of reactionary response to globalization? Maybe we should redefine local to mean our particular block and refuse to trade with anyone outside the block. Now that would be local.

[intrepidDesign]

Simple, even if a franchise is local, some of the money always leaves the city/state to go to wherever the franchise headquarters is. To me its all about keeping the money circulating locally. :previous: McD sold their share in Chipotle a while ago. I would like to see something unique go in Block 37, I think its a great looking building in a great area, but priority number one is to fill the space.

[Nowhereman1280]

ok dude, dont go all technical on me. I meant the Magnificent Mile, and that is north of the river. You know what I meant. And where in all hell did you pull that 80% number from? I walk through the loop (down state street) almost everyday, and I can promise you, it is mostly tourists. There is probably 10 times more residential units around the Hancock building then B37. People live there, they dont live in the loop. That is changing, but I certainly dont think DQ is going to encourage people to move there. Not that any ice cream shop would, but its just another small failure of B37.

I just pulled the 80% out of my ass, I can guarantee you that on any given corner in the loop during the week, more than 3/4 of the people are not tourists. This would completely shift on the weekends when there is no reason for people who don't work there to be there, then its probably more like 50-50 since many people still work then and some people do live there. No matter what you say or think, the fact is very few tourists (compared to other areas of the city) spend time in the loop (with the exception of the area directly adjacent to Millennium Park where there is some spillover). The loop is still primarily a practical place that is primarily utilized by Chicagoans to go about their daily lives.

I live not too far from you (4 or 5 blocks directly north) and can tell you that there are probably more tourists around Hancock on any given day than there is in the Loop in a whole week...

go try birthday cake flavor at CS. it will change your life.

I've tried it and its way too sweet for me, its good for a few spoonfuls but then it makes me sick. My main complaint about ColdStone is that its way to expensive.

[VivaLFuego]

^ i don't think the way that the podium was designed in the first pace was good or worthy of preservation. MC is an ensemble, but i don't see the big deal in fixing the few aspects that goldberg got wrong. the podium isn't anything special now, nor was it ever in my opinion. i'm all for fixing it and building more al fresco dining along the river. activity-generation trumps architecture for me in this instance, probably because the podium was pretty blah and forgettable to begin with.

I generally agree with this stance, though the modification described by wholehog sound very tacky. I don't see why modifications couldn't be done to not only improve the functionality of the podium to accommodate modern commercial use (would Goldberg vehemently disagree with that concept?) while still being respectful of the overall aesthetic. I guess I don't see this as an either/or decision, or at least it shouldn't be if it is, in practice.

[cbotnyse]

I just pulled the 80% out of my ass, I can guarantee you that on any given corner in the loop during the week, more than 3/4 of the people are not tourists. This would completely shift on the weekends when there is no reason for people who don't work there to be there, then its probably more like 50-50 since many people still work then and some people do live there. No matter what you say or think, the fact is very few tourists (compared to other areas of the city) spend time in the loop (with the exception of the area directly adjacent to Millennium Park where there is some spillover). The loop is still primarily a practical place that is primarily utilized by Chicagoans to go about their daily lives.

I live not too far from you (4 or 5 blocks directly north) and can tell you that there are probably more tourists around Hancock on any given day than there is in the Loop in a whole week...
well I am specifically talking about the area of B37 and the State St shopping district, not the loop entirely. DQ is not the end of the world, but for me its along the same lines as Taco Bell, White Castle, Burger King....:yuck: I have high standards for this location!

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ I can understand that viewpoint, but I just have never seen the potential in B37 anyhow. I mean unless they would have built some astounding Urban Space with a sweet public square in the middle, then there really isn't much to expect, its just another mall. WTP redux. Either that or they could have built a hugeass building here for a realitively low cost. Neither materialized.

The real potential here was already squandered, now I want my soft-serve dammit!

[honte]

I generally agree with this stance, though the modification described by wholehog sound very tacky. I don't see why modifications couldn't be done to not only improve the functionality of the podium to accommodate modern commercial use (would Goldberg vehemently disagree with that concept?) while still being respectful of the overall aesthetic. I guess I don't see this as an either/or decision, or at least it shouldn't be if it is, in practice.

This is why Marina City really ought to be landmarked. Then you would have some oversight as to what alterations get done. There would be a process for establishing what is contributing (granted, a somewhat flawed process, but far better than nothing), and if people disagreed with the decisions of this body, there would be a process to voice dissent.

As it stands now, anything could happen and compromises must be fought on the street. It's not pleasant and typically doesn't yield an ideal outcome.

I have a feeling that in this case, the Commission probably would allow the storefront to be recessed, but only if the alterations were in keeping with the original aesthetic. It seems most of the non-NIMBY opposition would wither away if they agreed to do this.

[the urban politician]

I can finally have a Peanut Buster Parfait while hanging out on State st--it's a dream come true!