[g-man435]

Hey guys, i'm new to this forum and I live in Greenville, SC. I'll post many pics, especially of the downtown region and try to keep you updated about all of the major projects going on through town right now and there are absolutely a ton of them including many skyscrapers. I'll start off with the Peacock Hotel and Spa, which was announced a little over a month ago and is scheduled to break ground in late September and is will be located downtown. It will be 11-stories tall, but will have the height of a 14-story building, due to the fact the lobby is one story tall, but will have the height of three stories:

News article: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/NEWS01/607190430

Current site:
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Renderings:
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Website: http://www.peacockhotelandspa.com

Next up is the Pinnacle on Main, which will be 13-stories tall and will also be located downtown. Construction is expected to start this fall sometime:

Rendering:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/image.jpg

Website: http://www.pinnacleonmain.com

Last, but certainly not least by a long shot is the Camperdown Condos, which will be 14-stories tall, and like the Pinnacle and Peacock will also be located downtown and construction is expected to start this fall:

Renderings:
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Website: http://camperdown.southcorpinc.com/

[g-man435]

Here are a ton of skyline and skyscraper pics from between the year 2000 and now. Skyscrapers currently proposed for Greenville include the Peacock Hotel and Spa, the Pinnacle on Main, the Camperdown Condos, the new federal courthouse, Main at McBee, City Hall site mixed-use development with hotel, Riverplace phase 3, Uptown Tower, and others that haven't been released to the public yet. The skyline will look totally different in 5 years with all these skyscrapers proposed going up:
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[Ex-Ithacan]

Yippee, a Greenville rep. It's one of my top ten skylines for cities under 100,000 (though I know the metro is pretty good size). These additions should really help to fill in the skyline and dense it up some. Last time I passed through I was pleasantly surprised by all the activity/construction in the west end. Thanks for the pics and info. Look forward to more threads.

Almost forgot, welcome to SSP. But be careful, it's an addictive forum,:yes: ;)

[StevenW]

Yeah, Greenville is pretty nice. :) :yes:

[Buck]

Wow some great pictures!

And I had no idea that Greenville had projects of that size and height in the works. Good to know.

[g-man435]

Thanks, guys. You think those are big projects, you should see what else is going up here. Next up is CU-ICAR (Clemson University-International Center for Automotive Research.) This is an absolutely gigantic project that is going to be similiar to the Research Triangle Park in Raleigh. ICAR is expected to create 20,000 jobs when completed. The project consists of Clemson, BMW, Michelin, Timken, Microsoft, Nascar, British Automotive, SAE International, IBM, the state of South Carolina, the city of Greenville, Sun Microsystems, BellSouth, the Furman Company, Upstate Alliance, Carolina Crescent Coalition, and more. It is located along I-85 between Woodruff and Laurens Roads. There are five large campuses located throughout ICAR and their set in phases. Right now the first one is under construction and the second one should begin soon. The first phase consists of a 7-story parking garage with an office tower attached to it, Timken facility/Collaboration 3, Collaboration 1, BMW-ITRC(Information Technology Research Center), and the Campbell Graduate Engineering Center. The only building complete so far is the ITRC, but the rest are all under construction and should be complete next year.

Here are some pics and renderings of phase 1:
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Here is the webcam of phase 1: http://camera.clemson.edu/icar/index.htm

More info on this project can be found here: http://www.cu-icar.com/

Here you can find more pics of the BMW-ITRC: http://www.bmwusfactory.com/education/bmw_itrc/

[g-man435]

I forgot to post this rendering for the parking garage at ICAR:
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Next up is Verdae Development. You think ICAR was big, you haven't seen nothing yet. 10,000 residences, 15,000 employees, 1.5 billion dollars. This is a 30-year project and will be located on the other side of I-85 from which ICAR is. The reason their building this is to house the thousands and thousands of workers expected to be hired for ICAR, Millennium Campus, South Financial Group Headquarters, etc. The last two I listed there I will talk about later. Those are just like ICAR, but smaller. Expect everything from highrises to houses to offices to retail to restaurants to hotels and to anything else you can think of including light rail in Verdae. This is a huge mixed-use project. All of the houses are going to be TND. (Traditional Neighborhood Development)

Here are some pics and renderings:
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The purple shading is phase 1 and the dark areas are the rest of the project: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/property_map_phase1_large1.jpg
Land being cleared:
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Existing houses on Verdae site being moved to new location:
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Check this out: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/specialreport/verdaedev/

Here is the initial article from May 2005 when plan was first released: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/specialreport/2005/05/05/2005050563957.htm

Be sure to check out this master plan too: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/specialreport/verdaedev/media/master_plan/index.htm

More info about this project can be found here: http://www.verdaedevelopment.com/

-I will post more new developments tomorrow including one that just came out a couple days ago that involves a Sheraton coming here. Also, I will post info and pics of Millennium Campus, South Financial Group Headquarters, Riverplace, Bookends, McBee Station, Hubbell Lighting Headquarters, the Point, The Shops at Greenridge, Magnolia Park Town Center, and more.

[HSVTiger]

Holy Smokes!, Greenville is rockin' Great city and great pics
Welcome to the forum g-man435

[thoraudio]

boy, sure is different then when I was at Furman University...

[trvlr70]

Greenville is really impressive. Last time I was there, I was really surprised by downtown's vitality. I just hope the city/county planners get a hold of the sprawl issues, which are very apparent as you fly into the city.

[g-man435]

The city/county is working very hard right now to stop sprawl. That is what Verdae, ICAR, Millennium Campus, South Financial, and other developments are trying to do too. They are all mixed-use or campus like settings built to try and stop sprawl. Also, the county just recently passed a measure to try and quit rid of most coldasac's (spelling) in new subdivisions and the city along with developers are building a ton of mixed-use developments, not only downtown, but in a lot of other places too.

-The next new development is a mixed-use $137 million dollar project downtown that will include 9 buildings set in three phases. One of the buildings will be a Hampton Inn and Suites Hotel. The hotel is already complete and open along with three other buildings, including one office building with restaurants and two condo buildings. Right now the fifth building and the first of phase 2 named the Terrace at Riverplace, which will have condos is under construction. Riverplace will also include a huge interactive fountain in the middle between the Hampton Inn and Terrace at Riverplace that will cascade 29 feet toward the Reedy River and play music. It is set to open September 1 of this year. Here are some pics and info:

Rendering; more on websites posted at bottom of page:
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Pics:
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Info:
http://www.hamptoninnandsuitesgreenville.com/
http://riverplace.hreinc.com/
http://www.terraceatriverplace.com/
http://www.55riverplace.com/

Webcam-Click on Control on Camera 1/Riverplace:
http://riverplace.suitt.com/

[g-man435]

BREAKING NEWS ALERT: New lost-cost airline carrier coming to Greenville-Spartanburg International Airport. Announcement of what airline it will be to come tomorrow. More info: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/BUSINESS/60823003


Next up are hotels. Right now there are a ton of hotels either planned or under construction in Greenville. Here is a good article that just came out a couple days ago announcing a new Sheraton would be built here and talks about other hotels either planned or under construction here, but not all of them: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060820/BUSINESS/608200306/1003

[scguy]

Greenville has really grown on me in the past year or so. I find it to be an exceptionally clean city with a very active Downtown and LOTS of growth and potential. However, i dont see how these suburban projects (like ICAR) are being built to help stop sprawl. If anything these projects are nothing but sprawl, (ICAR looks like any other suburban office complex Ive seen). I dont understand your statement g-man.
Other than that the pics and the new condos DT are looking awesome!

[g-man435]

Greenville has really grown on me in the past year or so. I find it to be an exceptionally clean city with a very active Downtown and LOTS of growth and potential. However, i dont see how these suburban projects (like ICAR) are being built to help stop sprawl. If anything these projects are nothing but sprawl, (ICAR looks like any other suburban office complex Ive seen). I dont understand your statement g-man.
Other than that the pics and the new condos DT are looking awesome!

Ok, let me explain. Verdae, ICAR, Millennium Campus, South Financial Group Headquarters, The Point, and the Shops at Greenridge are all being built next to each other on I-85 in the city of Greenville, not the suburbs. Verdae is the total opposite of sprawl seeing how it will have TND (traditional neighborhood development) houses with alley's and be mixed use. All of the other developments I have listed including Verdae, except for the Point and the Shops at Greenridge are built so where they will be able to support Light-rail, high-speed rail, bus transit, hiking trails, walking trails, bike trails, etc. ICAR, South Financial Group headquarters, Millennium Campus, and Verdae are all connected together by one road and they are campus like settings, except for Verdae built to curb sprawl and implement mass transit. What makes ICAR and Verdae so great is that there is an abandoned rail line running right through the center of their property that is going to become a LRT system in the next 10-20 years. They are already starting to put up new railway bridges and crossings for the LRT here. :)

[g-man435]

Verdae will be a place that will truly add quality to lifestyle for many years to come. This 1,100-acre master planned development will offer a mix of residential, corporate and professional office sites, retail, a retirement community and so much more.

Verdae Development, Inc. will act as the master developer in the project and will carefully implement the best plan that will add quality to the community and its residents.

The Master Plan is a 20 to 30 year project that will be implemented in phases. The elements identified for Phase 1 are based on market studies of the Upstate area and will help meet the needs of the growing labor force that will be entering the marketplace as a result of the Clemson University International Center for Automotive Research (CU-ICAR) and the Millennium Campus. Phase 1 will include emphasis on a retirement community and residential housing based on a Traditional Neighborhood Development concept with a range of price points, from estate-size lots to starter homes. The development of Hollingsworth Legacy Park is also planned for Phase 1 and will be the recreational centerpiece for Verdae.

Does that sound like sprawl, especially if it's right in the heart of the city of Greenville. A guy named Hollingsworth owned of all of this land where this, ICAR, Millennium Campus, and South Financial Group's headquarters are being built. He didn't want to sell his land, but he said when he died they could sell it off and all of the proceeds would have to go to charities like the YMCA. He died in the year 2000 and they began selling all of the land. That's one reason sprawl is kind of bad here, because development went all around this empty land until now.

[g-man435]

Here you go:

If the research park is where the world's automotive finest will amass, Verdae will be for the people.
Unveiled Tuesday was a decades-long master plan for 1,100 acres of the late John D. Hollingsworth's nearly untouched city timberland that developers say will offer homes for as many as 10,000 residents and places to work for 15,000 employees.

Called Verdae, its eventual value could be $1.5 billion, said William G. Monroe III, the project's master planner. Every dime of the profits will go to charity.

The real estate coup is near two interstates and two bustling shopping corridors, adjacent to Clemson University's International Center for Automotive Research and roughly three times the size of downtown Greenville.

It will include starter homes, a retirement community, condos and estate houses.

Plans call for a central park and pond, a Main Street-style town center, an amphitheater, golf course and hotels, as well as corporate offices, professional services, retail shops, restaurants and civic services.

It will someday be a place to live, work and relax in the vein of planned communities such as Ion and Daniel Island in the Charleston area. It means the triangle of land that has long been the showpiece of the late textile millionaire's 42,000 acres will at long last begin to fill in. First to come will be four residential communities, with more than 400 units for sale, and the 40-acre Hollingsworth Legacy Park.

Details on the first trophy slices for development will come within 60 days.

For a man who lived in an Airstream trailer, bought hundreds of contiguous acres to help ensure his privacy and attentively avoided personal photographs, it will be an antithetically public monument. Also uncharacteristically, portions of the land swath will likely be sold to outside parties, albeit slowly and with strings attached. Under terms of Hollingsworth's will, profits will be divided among local groups — 45 percent to Furman University, 10 percent to the Greenville YMCA and 45 percent to other Greenville County charities.

The aim, developers say, is to net the biggest profit possible for charity, on a heavily treed chunk of land whose present worth could approach $100 million, according to longtime land manager Paulette Murphy.

Irv T. "Buck" Welling Jr., chairman and president of Hollingsworth Funds Inc. and Hollingsworth's longtime accountant, said Thursday a new development firm has been formed to manage the project for the foundation.

Hollingsworth's benevolence, he said, will be felt "in perpetuity."

In life, the unconventional magnate had some rules. Never sell, for one, and if you have to develop, wait for the project that will make a hallmark. For the old boss, land was better than money, said Murphy, though she's convinced he knew it would be sold after his death. This project, she said, perfectly illustrates why he insisted on keeping it all together.

"His strategy brought a completely different dimension to the terms 'deep pockets' and 'patient money,' " said Rick Sumerel, chief operating officer of the newly formed Verdae Development Inc. and a 26-year veteran of local real estate.

Verdae's first, residential-heavy phase is a direct response to ICAR and the adjoining Millenium Campus for private research, Sumerel said. Both of those developments are taking shape on sold Hollingsworth land and will cooperate closely with the Verdae piece for 1,800 total acres of planned corporate, residential and recreational living. Suitors invitedSumerel, who said he grew up hearing about the "mysterious man" who bought land, was also among the developers who later courted Hollingsworth people for a slice of the prime real estate. But Murphy insisted on a lease instead of a sale, something Sumerel said he found "ridiculous" and inscrutable.

Sorting through her old business cards recently, Murphy said she came up with about 260 from local real estate people who have pitched development plans before. They packed the Embassy Suites meeting room Tuesday from as far away as Texas, some joking that they couldn't stop shaking, and clots of them crowding around a large map of the tract.

"Rick (Sumerel) is going to get bombarded next week," said Monroe, of Charlotte. "We can't find a true comparison," he added, when asked about his previous work on such projects.

Almost unheard of is such a tract in the middle of a booming metropolis that has long since grown past it, he said. Now, with the real estate world at their beck, developers can afford to take it slow, said Monroe.

"When you sell and how much you sell allows the land to appreciate in value," he said.

When parcels are sold, they'll go with conditions for development that fit the master plan, Murphy and Monroe said. Sumerel said Verde Development will also do Hollingsworth-style ground leases and develop portions itself.

The new company was created to preserve Hollingsworth Funds' tax status as a charitable enterprise, Murphy said. Selling land too quickly could jeopardize the foundation's lower tax rate, so Murphy said current land owner Verdae Properties will sell the amount of land needed each year to Verdae Development at the current market value.

Buyers must agree to begin work quickly. Land will not be sold for investment purposes or discretionary development, Murphy said. Park, neighborhoods in first phaseJohn C. Cothran, president of the new Verdae Development, said there's no rush to funnel money toward charities immediately, and Verdae's development pace depends very much on how fast ICAR takes shape and when such amenities as a trolley from Verdae to the research park materialize.

All principals agree they've learned one thing from Hollingsworth: take your time. The amount of money that could flow to charities annually has not been calculated, officials said.

Still, Cothran, Monroe and Greenville Mayor Knox White say the consummation of Verdae is likely to happen much faster than the 35-year timeline presented Tuesday night.

"This property was just leap-frogged," Monroe said. "Verdae is the hole in the doughnut, just waiting to be unveiled."

In addition to the Hollingsworth park, which plans show will include a pond and sports fields, phase 1 will include at least 400 homes. "Starter" houses will cost roughly $150,000 to $200,000, a "neo-traditional" neighborhood will feature units in the $350,000 to $500,000 range and an area of large estate homes has not been priced yet, Monroe said.

Not counted in that housing figure is a retirement community that will feature options for seniors who want cottages, apartments or assisted living. Medical services will be available, and the community could eventually spawn medical and support businesses along Verdae Boulevard.

The community could operate on a ground lease and remain under Verdae control, Murphy said.

Still in question is who will own the park, which Sumerel said will be the first piece to take shape. It could belong to the new Verdae Development or be given to the city, Murphy said.

For later phases, Monroe said he's already planning a fire station, police station and a public school site. Nearly 3.5 million square feet of total commercial space could eventually take shape.

A town center will look much like downtown Greenville, with retail, office and residential units in the live-work style of the 1920s. Open plazas and nightlife will be plenteous, as will green areas, trails and fountains.

Near existing railroad tracks will appear multi-family housing aimed at young professionals and graduate students who could use the trolley that developers hope to run underneath the interstate to the research campus.

Where two new Hollingsworth-owned office buildings already exist, the Bonaventure office park will be developed between Verdae and I-85, though the 15- to 20-story office buildings and 10-story hotels developers envision will take years to materialize, Monroe said.

Nearby, and adjacent to the existing Verdae Greens golf course, will be more condos and townhomes. And along the interstate, near the starter homes, will be smaller office properties to be developed with Rosen Associates, which is also developing the Millenium Campus. Tax revenues to growDetails on initial development sites will be released in 60 days, Sumerel said Tuesday, begging those in attendance not to knock on his door all at once. Brick signs could go up around the property soon, and both Sumerel and White said the do-all community would not compete with Greenville's booming downtown.

More dramatic are the potential effects on the tax base.

Mark Holmes, an attorney with Leatherwood Walker Todd & Mann, said his studies have shown there will be "significant" increases to tax revenues for the city, which has been aggressively trying to draw people toward downtown.

With fewer than 60,000 residents currently within city limits, Verdae alone could provide at least a 10 percent boost in dwellers. Also, much of the property is classified as agricultural, meaning very little tax revenues currently come from the land. Commercial and residential development, business licenses and other fees will have a dramatic impact, said Holmes and Kevin S. Cosimano with Stonebridge Associates Inc. near Washington.

In the end, the long-awaited use of the crown jewel in the tycoon's land portfolio will be both "strange" and in keeping with his expectations for the land, said Murphy, who has managed the land and seen that the pines are reseeded for decades.

"It's ready to go and there's nothing to stop it," Murphy said. "I mean, there's no Mr. Hollingsworth going to change his mind tomorrow. He decided when he put it in his will — that's it."

[g-man435]

Here are the three most recent news releases about Verdae. All of them came out July 27, 2006:

Legacy Park to be Built at Verdae’s Hollingsworth Park

July 27, 2006

Recreational Community Centerpiece to Honor John D. Hollingsworth

Greenville, S.C., July 27, 2006 – Verdae Development today announced plans for the development of Legacy Park, the recreational centerpiece for Verdae, a 1,100-acre master-planned community in Greenville, S.C. The 20-acre park will be dedicated to John D. Hollingsworth, the visionary textile magnate whose generosity and stewardship inspired the community.

Designed by Arbor Engineering, the landscape architect and engineering firm responsible for Greenville’s Falls Park on the Reedy, Legacy Park will be a timeless gathering place for Verdae residents and the surrounding Greenville area community.

“As we began developing the park plans, we asked ourselves if this was a place where a mother would want to bring her children,” said Tom Keith, manager of landscape architecture for Arbor Engineering. “As a result, we think not only will families want to come here, but also bring their friends, host their birthday parties, and possibly one day even marry here.”

Influenced by the Central Park concept, Legacy Park will take advantage of natural topography and features including hills, wooded areas, water features and pathways. Park enhancements will include a picnic shelter with family restrooms, a playground, and expansive fields for open play. Lush, colorful gardens will enhance the natural beauty of the park, complete with pond enrichments and fountains. The park will be filled with wooded walking trails while swings and benches will line the perimeter. At the heart of the park, a shaded amphitheater will provide a family gathering place for outdoor concerts and events.

Honoring a Legend

Just inside the park, guests will find a memorial plaza – a meditation area dedicated to the memory of John D. Hollingsworth. As a true visionary, Hollingsworth not only assembled the tactical land holdings to ensure a successful future for the community, but also strategic resources to responsibly develop the property and realize its full potential to positively impact quality of life.

Profitable contributions from the development project will go to Hollingsworth Funds, which donates directly to Furman University, the Greenville YMCA, and grants to various Greenville County charities. In the years to come, Legacy Park will be donated back to the city of Greenville.

Other Recreation

Upon completion, the Verdae development will also offer an impressive array of natural and leisure amenities to enhance area residents’ quality of life including forthcoming restaurants, retail stores and services. Pedestrian-friendly streets, greenways, walking trails and bike paths will connect people to various neighborhoods, while allowing them to enjoy the natural beauty of the surroundings.

Verdae is located just 10 minutes away from Greenville’s downtown, which features an award-winning main street with more than 70 unique restaurants and stores, the Peace Center for Performing Arts, newly renovated Falls Park, and more.

Legacy Park construction has begun and is expected to open for family recreation in summer of 2007.




Verdae Development Sells 32 Acres to The Parvey Companies for Traditional Neighborhood Development

July 27, 2006

First Residential Lots for Sale in Verdae’s Hollingsworth Park

Greenville, S.C., July 27, 2006 – Verdae Development has sold the first residential lot component of the Verdae community to The Parvey Companies, an award-winning Georgia-based developer. Working with Verdae as master developer, Parvey will be responsible for the development of the community’s traditional neighborhood development concept which will be located in Hollingsworth Park.

“Richard Parvey and his associates will be great partners for this initial venture,” said Rick Sumerel, chief operating officer and vice president of Verdae Development Inc. “They truly understand the vision of Verdae and will create a neighborhood development that will embrace the quality and natural beauty of this community.”

Consisting of 32 acres and approximately 125 home sites in Hollingsworth Park, the initial traditional neighborhood development (TND) concept will offer a range of price points with many sites offering panoramic views of Legacy Park. Traditional neighborhood development is characterized by a community design that fosters neighborly interaction and an intimate, small-town feel. In Verdae, this will be accomplished through smaller sites with homes and porches facing the street, service alleys behind the homes, and small pocket parks throughout the community.

Parvey has selected a distinguished list of builders who will offer the quality and craftsmanship synonymous with the Verdae community. These builders will include Center Point Properties Inc., Marick Home Builders LLC, Pacesetter Custom Homes Inc., Peery Construction Company Inc., ROME Construction Group and CHW Homes of Distinction.

Residents will work one-on-one with builders to customize their home choosing from a wealth of fixtures, furnishings and exteriors. Hollingsworth Park will represent the initial stages of development within the Verdae master-planned community which will include the development of Legacy Park.

Greenville’s Marchant Company will handle the sale of the traditional neighborhood development homes and can be reached through web communication at www.marchantco.com or by calling 888-664-6095.

About The Parvey Companies

The Parvey Companies is a collection of subsidiary companies under the management of founder Richard E. Parvey, created to provide a fully integrated approach to property development with services including acquisition, consulting, master planning and development.

The Parvey Companies was created with a vision of “place making” and the creation of unique communities of enduring quality and sound investment for the future. From Parvey’s appreciation for craftsmanship and preservation, its developments are about doing things the right way. They live in the communities they build and are creating a lifetime of memories and value for families. Recent substantial developments include projects in Florida, Georgia and Nantucket, Mass.



Verdae Unveils Plans for Development of Hollingsworth Park

July 27, 2006

Community to Include Traditional Neighborhood Development, Legacy Park

Rocky Slope Road to be Improved

Greenville, S.C., July 27, 2006 – Unveiling the inaugural stages of development of Phase I of the 1,100-acre Verdae community, the developer today announced plans for the Hollingsworth Park area including traditional neighborhood development and Legacy Park. Additionally, plans were presented to improve Rocky Slope Road, the community’s main residential thoroughfare.

“We are pleased to present Hollingsworth Park as the foundational development piece of the Verdae master plan,” said Rick Sumerel, chief operating officer and vice president of Verdae Development Inc. “This development will set the precedent for the overall caliber of the community, which Upstate residents can expect to see develop here over the next 20 years.”

Consisting of 32 acres and approximately 125 home sites, the initial traditional neighborhood development (TND) concept will offer a range of price points with many sites offering panoramic views of Legacy Park.

Traditional neighborhood development is characterized by a community design that fosters neighborly interaction and an intimate, small-town feel. In Verdae, this will be accomplished through smaller sites with homes and porches facing the street, service alleys behind the homes, and small pocket parks throughout the community.

The recreational centerpiece for Verdae, Legacy Park will be built in memorial to John D. Hollingsworth and become a central gathering point for both Greenville and Verdae residents of all ages. Spanning over 20 acres, the park will include a playground, lush gardens, water features, picnic areas, and wooded walking trails. At the heart of the park, an amphitheater will provide a family gathering place for outdoor concerts and events. Legacy Park construction will begin this summer and open for use in summer of 2007.

Anticipating an increased flow of traffic, improvements to Rocky Slope Road, the main thoroughfare for the residential portion of the community, will begin this year. Enhancements include straightening the road, the addition of bike paths in both directions, a landscaped shoulder and side walks. Raised intersections at neighborhood entrances and the addition of two traffic circles will help slow traffic between busy local roads.

The Verdae community will include pedestrian-friendly streets and greenways and walking trails connecting neighborhoods, while offering residents an opportunity to enjoy the indigenous beauty of Greenville. The community will also provide connectivity to the city’s Greenway System and the Clemson University International Center for Automotive Research (CU-ICAR) and the Millennium Campus.

[g-man435]

We had Vision 2005, but now we have Vision 2025: http://www.greenvilleforward.com

[g-man435]

Greenville could have light-rail by 2015. More info: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051113/NEWS01/511130317/1001/NLETTER01

[trvlr70]

g-man,

Do you have any pics of Greenville's waterfall and pedestrian bridge over the falls.

That is the coolest thing in the city, IMHO.

[scguy]

I agree about Verdae project....It looks fantastic. But Ive seen ICAR many times, (I live in the Greenville metro area) and it just seems like too much sprawl IMO. Dont get me wrong...ICAR is wonderful for the city. Most cities Greenville's size would be jelous of all the new projects and jobs coming, but an office park is an office park and cant in any way help to stop sprawl. And I would consider this area to be in the suburbs. Yes, it may be in city limits but it is still VERY suburban in nature.

[g-man435]

I know how you feel about sprawl and i'm against it too, but people have got to live and work somewhere and this is the best way of using resources to do that without causing sprawl.

g-man,

Do you have any pics of Greenville's waterfall and pedestrian bridge over the falls.


Do I have any pics?:haha:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/278187975PbTPyH_ph.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/bridge.jpg
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-Coming tomorrow: More development news, GSP new airline carrier, and pics of West End Field and Main St.

[g-man435]

I was gonna post this tomorrow, but i'll just post it today. GSP gets new lost-cost airline carrier. More info: http://www.wyff4.com/news/9729299/detail.html

[Atlguy33]

Greenville is awesome! I love medium-size cities and their skylines, and Greenville is among the best in this category.
As an Atlantan, it's a great place to combine with an Asheville trip, IMO. Thanks for the pics and info, G-man. I'm anxious to get to know this town much better!

[KB0679]

I agree about Verdae project....It looks fantastic. But Ive seen ICAR many times, (I live in the Greenville metro area) and it just seems like too much sprawl IMO. Dont get me wrong...ICAR is wonderful for the city. Most cities Greenville's size would be jelous of all the new projects and jobs coming, but an office park is an office park and cant in any way help to stop sprawl. And I would consider this area to be in the suburbs. Yes, it may be in city limits but it is still VERY suburban in nature.

I agree, and I would have very much desired to see ICAR become integrated within the existing fabric of downtown and have shops, bars, restaurants, residential, etc. mixed in much like USC's research campus in downtown Columbia, but when you consider the fact that the land was basically designated for this purpose, Greenville had to take what it could get. It was basically the same with Millenium Campus as well. Good for economic growth and development, but a large single-use district. Verdae, in my opinion, is Greenville's shining star as far as infill is concerned.

[g-man435]

I see what you guys mean, but ICAR and Millennium are campuses. People have to work somewhere and this is the best way to develop that without causing it to be sprawl. Also, how can it be sprawl if it is surrounded by areas that are already widely developed. South Financial Headquarters is the same way, even though I wish they would of built a tower downtown instead. Not all of ICAR is office, some of it will have housing along with shops. Here is proof of that: http://www.clemson.edu/autoresearch/masterplan/assumptions.htm and here: http://www.clemson.edu/autoresearch/masterplan/june2005/MasterPlan_files/Slide0013.gif Look at Research Triangle Park for example. Every city wants an ICAR or a Research Triangle Park, because they fight sprawl and create jobs. In case you didn't realize this, Verdae is specifically built to house the workers at ICAR, Millennium, and South Financial's campus. Now the Shops at Greenridge and the Point, those are sprawl. I don't even want to get into Woodruff Road.

[KB0679]

While RTP has certainly created jobs (last time I checked, it employed over 40K people), it has also created MUCH sprawl. Single-use campuses which essentially act as edge cities tend to do that, and since RTP is the world's largest research campus, it has happened at a greater rate in the Triangle. I don't think ICAR will create nearly as much sprawl; it's located too close to downtown.

I think some are calling these campuses sprawl because they are essentially single-use. But if you know some of the history of how these developments came about in Greenville, you'd come to the conclusion that the city and the Upstate as a whole are better off with these developments than without. At least they have relatively close proximity to downtown. The city will grow up around them in time. It could have certainly been worse; these developments could be in Greer, Easley, or Traveler's Rest.

[thoraudio]

g-man,

you've got to understand this site. For many on here, if it's not a live/work/play skyscraper within 200 yards of a grocery store and an upscale department store, it's sprawl....

and you haven't even dealt with Chicago103 yet... :haha:

Where is all of this development in relation to Furman. I spent my freshman year there, and am mostly familiar with that side of town, which was away from Downtown, and the malls.

[g-man435]

It doesn't matter whether you guys think ICAR, Millennium Campus, and South Financial are sprawl or not, because their already starting to be built and their going to keep building them whether you like it or not. Also, the jobs and economic impact their going to create far outweigh the sprawl it could have. Next up is Magnolia Park Town Center. This is a development going on the former Greenville Mall site. It will be the second largest shopping center in the upstate. Demolition of the former mall is to become sometime towards the end of this year or early 2007. The whole project is to be finished sometime in early 2008:

Rendering of 10-story residential tower:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/lg1000415.jpg

Info:
http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/DSN/wwwtheshoppingcentergroupcom/Commerce/ProductImages/pf000415.pdf
http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/content/Product-121-1-415.htm

After that is Mid-Town Center, which is going to be a mixed-use development coming to the downtown area near county square:

Rendering:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/UTS-Rendering8-12-05.jpg

Site plan:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/UTS-ColorSitePlan8-12-05-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/University20Ridge201207-11-05.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/University20Ridge202207-11-05.jpg

[Ex-Ithacan]

Cool aerials g-man.

[g-man435]

Thanks, man. Next up is McBee Station. This is a 45-acre mixed-use project located downtown and will include a Publix, Staples, condos, apartments, a bank, and more. I don't have any pics or renderings of it, but if you would like to see some, you can go to http://www.pazdan-smith.com and click on portfolio on the left hand side of the page, then click on mixed-use and that's where it will be. Here is an article about the project too: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/business/2005/06/11/2005061165910.htm

[Skyliner]

The new storefront where the old Maureen's was on Main Street is looking very nice!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_53.jpg

Also, check out the weekend information center in front of City Hall:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_50.jpg

[g-man435]

Hey Skyliner and welcome to skyscraperpage and thanks for those pics.

[RestedTraveler]

Wow. I haven't been here in so long... I didn't think anybody from Greenville hung out here.

I must say a lot of my COPYRIGHTED photos keep ending up in places where I don't expect to find them, too. :-P You should check out the Terms of Service (http://photobucket.com/terms.php) at PhotoBucket, in particular Section 2, Article C. In the mean time, I am looking at Section 5, myself.

[g-man435]

Please give most of the credit to the photos of Greenville I provided to RestedTraveler of Travelers Rest, SC and an active skyscrapercity, urbanplanet, and now skyscraperpage user.

[RestedTraveler]

Please give most of the credit to the photos of Greenville I provided to RestedTraveler of Travelers Rest, SC and an active skyscrapercity, urbanplanet, and now skyscraperpage user.

Hey - a lot of those were not mine. I see some of Tim's in there, too. As for the timeline, check that join date again, man. ;)

[RestedTraveler]

You know, from this photo, you can see that the Greenville County Ofices/University Ridge property is an ideal location for multiple towers, parking garages, and continued park-like setting in amongst it all. That's a pretty large and prime location for a huge mixed-use development. :tup:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/University20Ridge201207-11-05.jpg

[g-man435]

Sorry some of the pics might be a little dark, but please give all credit of these pics to g-man435 of the grand opening of Art Crossing at Riverplace and other parts of Riverplace too:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/Picture006-1.jpg
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http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/Picture001.jpg

[RestedTraveler]

The tripod and an extended-exposure setting are your best friends for nighttime photography.

[g-man435]

Hey - a lot of those were not mine. I see some of Tim's in there, too. As for the timeline, check that join date again, man. ;)

Who is Tim, what join date are you talking about, and are you hinting at a possible new development at county square, RT? Thanks a lot man.

[g-man435]

I know what your talking about now with the join date thing.

[LSyd]

You know, from this photo, you can see that the Greenville County Ofices/University Ridge property is an ideal location for multiple towers, parking garages, and continued park-like setting in amongst it all. That's a pretty large and prime location for a huge mixed-use development. :tup:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/University20Ridge201207-11-05.jpg

G-Vegas looks like Columbia's little brother from this angle. i wish Cola had an aerial showing developments like this.

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[g-man435]

I wonder if RT might be hinting at something for that site and who is Tim?

[g-man435]

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that the Pinnacle on Main is scheduled to start sometime in September according to an email I got from Triangle Construction Company. :)

[RestedTraveler]

I wonder if RT might be hinting at something for that site and who is Tim?

Just hinting that Greenville County needs to ask for and entertain proposals for such a huge mixed-use development here at University Ridge.

Tim is NYTransplant, Jacob. :tup:

[Skyliner]

RiverPlace is moving along quite well. Here are a few updates from earlier today:

The left side of the base of the centerpiece fountain is painted for fun. It will be great to see people of all ages enjoying the bursts of water and sounds of a steam locomotive.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_52.jpg

The lamp posts are finally up along the riverwalk!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_51.jpg

I especially like the ones under the Main Street Bridge:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_53.jpg

[RestedTraveler]

This is, er, uh, kind of, um, interesting?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_52.jpg

[g-man435]

Actually a mixed-use development is coming to county square, but only for a part of the parking lot at the present time. Hopefully that changes though. Oh, whatever happened to NYTransplant. He never gets on UP anymore. Please give credit for the photos of Greenville to Tim/NYTransplant too, thanks.

[g-man435]

The COUNTDOWN for the U.S. Pro Cycling Championships in Greenville, SC has begun: 6 DAYS!!!! For more info, please check out: http://www.usacyclingchampionships.com

[Skyliner]

This is, er, uh, kind of, um, interesting?
I thought is looked funny at first as well, but after standing there for several minutes, it rather grew on me.

At least it still looks great from across the Reedy River! :tup:
The Terrace at RiverPlace is really coming along as well.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_50.jpg

[g-man435]

Great pics, Skyliner. One of my mom's friends from church is one of the 14 artists chosen to have a studio at the Art Crossing at Riverplace and we went to the grand opening last night. This is something great for Greenville and they should be very proud of it, which i'm sure they definitely are. :)

[Skyliner]

I know a few of the artists as well, including the one who designed the logo on the 'Art Crossing' sign out front. I was there last night as well. Great to see so many come out, though next weekend will probably see more visitors.

[g-man435]

Wow. I haven't been here in so long... I didn't think anybody from Greenville hung out here.

I must say a lot of my COPYRIGHTED photos keep ending up in places where I don't expect to find them, too. :-P You should check out the Terms of Service (http://photobucket.com/terms.php) at PhotoBucket, in particular Section 2, Article C. In the mean time, I am looking at Section 5, myself.

I apologize for you using your photos, RT without permission and I won't do it again. :worship:

[g-man435]

I know a few of the artists as well, including the one who designed the logo on the 'Art Crossing' sign out front. I was there last night as well. Great to see so many come out, though next weekend will probably see more visitors.

Next weekend is going to be a blast and i'm glad I volunteered for the cyling tournament just as long as that hurricane stays far away from here. :haha:

[g-man435]

edit: typo

[LSyd]

it's not cool (or legal) to jack (especially to alter) other people's photos without asking, or unless they give your permission.

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[LSyd]

To understand Greenville's vision, you have to stop any logical thoughts.

:whatthefuck: :koko: :shrug:

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[RestedTraveler]

I thought is looked funny at first as well, but after standing there for several minutes, it rather grew on me.

At least it still looks great from across the Reedy River! :tup:
The Terrace at RiverPlace is really coming along as well.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RiverPlace_50.jpg

Yea, that angle does look great!! The other one of the train tracks will look better once its underwater, I hope. It just looks, well, hokey.

[RestedTraveler]

I apologize for you using your photos, RT without permission and I won't do it again. :worship:

Dude, that's what you said the last time over on skyscrapercity.com. I just don't trust you anymore, man. Sorry. :shrug:

[DallasTexan]

Well, to understand Greenville's vision, you have to stop any logical thoughts.

[g-man435]

What is with everybody, geez. I won't do it again RT and why do you guys care what my signature says.

[g-man435]

:whatthefuck: :koko: :shrug:

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Dude, why do you care.

[g-man435]

it's not cool (or legal) to jack (especially to alter) other people's photos without asking, or unless they give your permission.

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You think I don't know that. RT already told me, so stay out of it.

[g-man435]

Well, to understand Greenville's vision, you have to stop any logical thoughts.

Correct. :)

[LSyd]

Dude, why do you care.

other people have jacked or altered my pics without my permission. it's polite to ask.

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[Skyliner]

Thirty years worth of redevelopment on Main Street:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_19.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_20.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_16.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_17.jpg


Main at North (looking west on North):
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/NorthStreet_04.jpg

South Main Street, in the West End:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/WestEnd_12.jpg

[g-man435]

Please go to the post below this one for further instructions, thanks. Oh yeah, great pics Skyliner and your right lsyd.

[g-man435]

Go down to post #186 on this page and follow the instructions if you would like to get on Skyscrapercity: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=108647&page=8

[g-man435]

Please ignore this post, thanks.

[thoraudio]

why did we get a quote of Stewie Griffin talking to Brian?

[g-man435]

I edited it, thoraudio.

[gsupstate]

I agree, and I would have very much desired to see ICAR become integrated within the existing fabric of downtown and have shops, bars, restaurants, residential, etc. , but when you consider the fact that the land was basically designated for this purpose, Greenville had to take what it could get. It was basically the same with Millenium Campus as well. Good for economic growth and development, but a large single-use district. Verdae, in my opinion, is Greenville's shining star as far as infill is concerned.
I don't think Greenville "had to take what it could get". What is being overlooked is that this a large area of land two miles from center city, not the far flung burbs 12 and 15 miles away. The following developments: The Point, Shops at Greenridge, CU-ICAR, Verdae, Millenium Campus, South Financial, Global Trade Center are all being developed with adjoining boundaries and much interconnectivity is being developed (bike lanes, pedestrian greenways, etc). The future light rail line that Greenville has been planning goes directly through the heart of these developments. If anything, this is more of a midtown infill, and all is right smack in the middle of the Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson metro, where 85 and 385 intersect, with high, high visibility being halfway between Atlanta and Charlotte.

[gsupstate]

Hey g-man....great photos, but you have some of mine too. Check with me next time, OK? :)

[gsupstate]

A few more photos of Greenville:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/Downtown%20Living/CIMG6216.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/CIMG5330.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/CIMG4224.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/CIMG5463.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/CIMG5460.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/CIMG5459.jpg

[Ex-Ithacan]

Some dandy pics there gsupstate. I really like Greenville. And the reality of development. Though center city is important for new development, almost any city in the rust belt would welcome the developments mentioned with open arms. I guess it's all relative.

[g-man435]

Hey g-man....great photos, but you have some of mine too. Check with me next time, OK? :)

You got it, man. I learned my lesson once and for all. :)

[Skyliner]

I don't think Greenville "had to take what it could get". What is being overlooked is that this a large area of land two miles from center city, not the far flung burbs 12 and 15 miles away. The following developments: The Point, Shops at Greenridge, CU-ICAR, Verdae, Millenium Campus, South Financial, Global Trade Center are all being developed with adjoining boundaries and much interconnectivity is being developed (bike lanes, pedestrian greenways, etc). The future light rail line that Greenville has been planning goes directly through the heart of these developments. If anything, this is more of a midtown infill, and all is right smack in the middle of the Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson metro, where 85 and 385 intersect, with high, high visibility being halfway between Atlanta and Charlotte.
You forgot Magnolia Park Town Center. :tup:

Great to "see" you again, gsupstate! :)

[KB0679]

I don't think Greenville "had to take what it could get". What is being overlooked is that this a large area of land two miles from center city, not the far flung burbs 12 and 15 miles away. The following developments: The Point, Shops at Greenridge, CU-ICAR, Verdae, Millenium Campus, South Financial, Global Trade Center are all being developed with adjoining boundaries and much interconnectivity is being developed (bike lanes, pedestrian greenways, etc). The future light rail line that Greenville has been planning goes directly through the heart of these developments. If anything, this is more of a midtown infill, and all is right smack in the middle of the Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson metro, where 85 and 385 intersect, with high, high visibility being halfway between Atlanta and Charlotte.

I was only really referring to ICAR and the terms of the land deal as it was explained to me on UP when it was suggested that ICAR could have been integrated into the urban fabric of downtown, which would have been more desirable IMO. I know that some disagreed with me on that last point, but we won't rehash it here. Anyway, that's what I meant by my statement.

[gsupstate]

Some dandy pics there gsupstate. I really like Greenville. And the reality of development. Though center city is important for new development, almost any city in the rust belt would welcome the developments mentioned with open arms. I guess it's all relative.
Thanks man! :) The cities natural topographical beauty lend it to photography. I fell in love with the place the first time I visited and knew I had to move here. Have you visited Greenville?

[Ex-Ithacan]

Several times. Been about 6 months since I was last there. The west end development was a pleasant surprise. Even got some pics, but not sure where I saved 'em. :shrug:

[Skyliner]

More photos of beautiful downtown Greenville:

This is an interesting shot from a different part of the CBD:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/Downtown_20.jpg

A couple more from Main Street:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_21.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/MainStreet_22.jpg

St. George's Greek Orthodox Cathedral in downtown, and in the distance is the Italian-inspired Villagio di Montebello on the southwestern slope of Piney Mountain:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/StGeorgeCathedral_02.jpg

[RestedTraveler]

This is an interesting shot from a different part of the CBD:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/Downtown_20.jpg


One of the reasons I love living in Travelers Rest: That's the view that I have in my rearview mirror on the way home every time I leave Downtown Greenville. :D

[gsupstate]

Several times. Been about 6 months since I was last there. The west end development was a pleasant surprise. Even got some pics, but not sure where I saved 'em. :shrug:
Would love to see some of the pics if you could find or post. Always like to see how visitors "see" the city. I remember the first time I visited here, my first impression (and many of my photos reflect this) was the sheer amount of trees and greenery all through city center. You travel to Greenville on business?

[gsupstate]

Love that angle of downtown Skyliner! :tup:

[Skyliner]

Greenville's new ballpark, 'West End Field,' has been selected as "Ballpark of the Year" by Baseballparks.com. The park, which was built to imitate many of the features found at Fenway Park in Boston, was selected over both Major and Minor League stadiums across the nation, including the new Busch Stadium in St. Louis. Read more at GreenvilleDrive.com (http://www.greenvilledrive.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=149&Itemid=1).

[g-man435]

Also, West End Field was selected by ESPN as being one of the top six ballparks in the country you must see: http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=2522251

...and on top of that minor league football might be coming back to Greenville: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/NEWS01/60829008

[g-man435]

Here is a very interesting New York Times article on ICAR: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/29/business/worldbusiness/29bmw.html?ref=worldbusiness

[Ex-Ithacan]

Would love to see some of the pics if you could find or post. Always like to see how visitors "see" the city. I remember the first time I visited here, my first impression (and many of my photos reflect this) was the sheer amount of trees and greenery all through city center. You travel to Greenville on business?

Here's some pics from my last visit (in Feb 06). Not the best quality, but you'll get the idea.

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ukb8le/gsc2006-01.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk7qqm/gsc2006-02.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk6js2/gsc2006-03.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk4x5q/2006-04.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk3piu/gsc2006-05.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk2kox/gsc2006-06.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2uk0f4h/gsc2006-07.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujyqh6/gsc2006-08.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujx73c/gsc2006-09.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujvoyr/gsc2006-10.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujsgtr/gsc2006-11.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujqt56/gsc2006-12.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujot37/gsc2006-13.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujly15/gsc2006-14.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujjfyn/gsc2006-15.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujhb7b/gsc2006-16.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujd46o/gsc2006-18.jpg

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujew19/gsc2006-17.jpg

[Skyliner]

Cool shots, Ex-Ithacan! Thanks for posting them here. :tup:

[KB0679]

Great density in this shot; it surprised me a little, as I've not seen downtown from this angle before:

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujjfyn/gsc2006-15.jpg

[RestedTraveler]

Great shots, Ex-Ithacan!

I especially love the three taken from the top of the Spring Street Garage and the one taken from North Main going into town just before crossing Stone Ave. Those are great angles! :tup:

My, has RiverPlace changed a bit since February. :cool:

[Ex-Ithacan]

Thanks guys. I may have mentioned this before, but Greenville is in my top ten smaller cities list for best skyline. Several years ago, while driving past on I-85, I decided to check out the city since I'd never been there or heard much about it. Seeing a couple of towers looming from the freeway to downtown made me glad I decided to stop by. I try to check it out every couple of years now and check on the progress. Downtown Greenville has really turned the corner imo. Look forward to more pics and info here, and more stops on my trips to Alabama. :)

[gsupstate]

Thanks for the photos EXI! Love the one of Mary's Restaurant! :tup:
RT was talking about us all getting together for a photo walk.....cough.....maybe we could plan that to coincide with a day you're through the city. :)

[Ex-Ithacan]

I won't be back that way until around february. If my old bones hold together I would like to meet you guys for a little forum meet. I guess we'll wait and see. :)

[gsupstate]

I won't be back that way until around february. If my old bones hold together I would like to meet you guys for a little forum meet. I guess we'll wait and see. :)
:haha:
Winter time skies in Greenville are great for photoshoots....clear, dry and deep, deep blue. :tup: Let us know.

[RestedTraveler]

I'm game! :tup:

[Skyliner]

Great density in this shot; it surprised me a little, as I've not seen downtown from this angle before:

http://suprfile.com/src/1/2ujjfyn/gsc2006-15.jpg
This view will become even more dense with the addition of The Pinnacle on Main, just to the right of the Landmark Building.:tup:

[StevenW]

Very good shots, indeed! :yes: :)

[StevenW]

My fav.:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/Downtown_20.jpg

[RestedTraveler]

A few more photos of Greenville have been posted over in my "Greenville, South Carolina, USA through the Lens of a Rested Traveler (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=114266)" thread.