[vid]

Some pictures of construction around Thunder Bay

Consolidated courthouse:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8772/concourt4.jpg

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/1196/concourt5.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8403/concourt6.jpg

District Social Services Building:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7794/im002865stitch2.jpg

Isabella Retirement Home:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8782/im002871stitch3.jpg

edit: we've passed 1,000 posts! :)

[F. Lionel]

Tim Horton's in the food court at Intercity is going to be undergoing a renovation and will be closed for two weeks and it will be starting at some point in the near future. The poor mall walkers and mall employees. :rolleyes:

Global Experience moved to May St. and not S. Algoma St.

Mr. Habib bought the old Free Methodist Church on Secord St. and intends to renovate it into condos while restoring the outside look of the building. I am quite glad that he has because the building itself is in some definite need of TLC and is such a landmark in that neighbourhood.

edit -
1,000 posts and so many thoughts shared. Here's to 1000 more and beyond!

[vid]

Three cheers for Mr. Habib! May that man win the $50,000,000 in next week's Lotto Max. :5:

Here is an exciting proposal for a trio of high rises in downtown Sudbury. I told the guys at SSC to post it here but they don't listen:

High-rise project up for final OK
By MIKE WHITEHOUSE, THE SUDBURY STAR
Posted 8 hours ago

A Montreal developer will return to Sudbury this week with plans to build one of the largest housing developments in the city's history on downtown Sudbury's doorstep.

Centennial Enterprises Ltd. will be hoping for final approval Tuesday to build three 17-storey apar tment buildings overlooking Brady Street between Brady Square and Van Horne, Lourdes and St. Raphael streets. The project would cost up to $80 million to build.

Combined, the three towers will create 800 new condominium and seniors' units. That's down from a year ago when the developer first approached the city with plans for four towers totalling 1,000 units. As well, efforts have been made to mass the buildings close to Brady Street, away from homes on Lourdes and St. Raphael streets. The 20-acre site already has a 14-storey apartment tower on it-- Cherry Hill Gardens -- owned by the same developer.

At 17 storeys, these new buildings would match Rockview Towers on Ramsey View Court as the city's tallest...

...

The development will create 43 to 48 full-time jobs and generate $3.8 million in development charges for the city and $1.5 million in tax revenue annually.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3058080

A rendering:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4263/sudtower.jpg

Source (PDF); contains other angles (http://www.greatersudbury.ca/agendas/index.cfm?pg=feed&action=file&attachment=5456.pdf)

Ugly buildings but this being Sudbury they'll be the prettiest things around. :frog:

[Tony]

Three cheers for Mr. Habib! May that man win the $50,000,000 in next week's Lotto Max. :5:

Here is an exciting proposal for a trio of high rises in downtown Sudbury. I told the guys at SSC to post it here but they don't listen:



A rendering:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4263/sudtower.jpg

Source (PDF); contains other angles (http://www.greatersudbury.ca/agendas/index.cfm?pg=feed&action=file&attachment=5456.pdf)

Ugly buildings but this being Sudbury they'll be the prettiest things around. :frog:

Eww.. as if they weren't awful enough, they had to be put on a rocky outcrop pedestal.

[vid]

But you have to admit, they are better looking than everything else in the photo.

[Tony]

But you have to admit, they are better looking than everything else in the photo.

I suppose... :yuck:

[vid]

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7932/im002984.jpg

Not much change, but I took the photo anyway.

[Danny D]

I can't remember if anyone has posted this, but the Lakeview Condominiums at Adelaide and Grenville are under construction.

http://www.remax-thunderbay.com/upload/images/lakeview-condo-cover-page.jpg
remax

[vid]

Craptacular.

[Dwils01]

From Sootoday.com

NEWS RELEASE

CENTRE FOR RESEARCH
AND INNOVATION IN
THE BIO-ECONOMY

******************************
CRIBE supports northern green economy by funding forest biomass pilot plant in Sault Ste. Marie

SAULT STE. MARIE - The Centre for Research and Innovation in the Bio-Economy (CRIBE) is pleased to announce a $923,261 investment to expand Elementa Group’s Pre-Commercial Demonstration Plant in Sault Ste. Marie.

This funding will allow Elementa to make the necessary modifications to begin using forest biomass as an additional feedstock.

The current Elementa process uses municipal solid waste to produce a high quality synthetic gas (syngas).

The upgrade will allow Elementa to do the same thing with forest biomass, the waste material from forestry operations such as tree tops, branches and foliage.

Converting this plant to also use forest biomass as a feedstock will demonstrate the viability of forest residue as a renewable energy source.

It is clean, highly efficient and supports the global effort to reduce greenhouse gases and commercialize alternative energy production.

Elementa currently employs 20 people and the addition of forest biomass to the process is expected to create five to six direct jobs.

Read More: http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=51722

[Danny D]

Craptacular.

I like how it says "similar" in the bottom corner. That means that they took the time to change that fugly design, which they probably bought from one of those catalogs.

[vid]

It'll still look close enough to that to be ugly. Oh well, at least Current River is out of the way. This is better than a dilapidated building or vacant lot.

[Dwils01]

DP Energy wants to develop 60 Megawatt wind Farm at Bow Lake in the Goulais bay area north of Sault Ste. Marie.
Supporters like the idea that more green energy is coming to the Soo.
But others thinks it's uneeded and will have to many environmental impacts.
The one I thought was interesting was the guy who said that wind energy is not needed and too dirty.
That one got a laugh out of me. I don't understand how wind energy is dirty it's more cleaner than the coal or gas power plants being used today.
My biggest concern is that the power generate will be exported to the States.
If this project does go through, I hope the structures will be constructed at Essar Steel Algome like the ones were for the wind farm in Essex County.

[vid]

Wind energy is more dirty because property values go down, and that causes emissions of hot air from NIMBYs to rise by 700%.

[Tony]

Wind energy is more dirty because property values go down, and that causes emissions of hot air from NIMBYs to rise by 700%.

well yeah, CO2 being a greenhouse gas and all, wind energy therefore causes global warming... err, I mean Climate Change.

[vid]

Exactly!

Also, shadow flicker infranoise.

[tjernobyl]

With the new Mary J. L. Black Library opening on May 9th, the old closes on April 29th. Accordingly, they are having a farewell tea this evening.

Article w/ pictures of new building:
http://www.tbpl.ca/article/new-mary-jl-black-branch--151.asp

[Dwils01]

Heres some from Sault Ste. Marie I took yesterday.
East End Solar farm on Black Road.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo052.jpg

Windsor Park 9 floor addition.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo045.jpg

West end Community Centre on Goulais Avenue.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo047.jpg

F. H. Clergue French Immersion School.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo049.jpg

Superior Heights High School at Second Line and North Street.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo046.jpg

Project 2011 at Sault College opening September 2011.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo048.jpg

Biosciences and Technology Convergence Centre at Algoma University.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo050.jpg

I had a request for this picture so I got one this time. New Northern Credit Union on McNabb Street.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo051.jpg

[Dwils01]

If you ever want to check out the progress of the Biosciences and Technology Convergence Centre at Algoma University, heres the link to the web cam.
http://www.algomau.ca/about-algoma-u/biosciences-convergence-centre

[ccnews]

great picture of the new head quarters of the credit Union, I took a tour of the building a few weeks whileiI was in the Sault for a meeting



I had a request for this picture so I got one this time. New Northern Credit Union on McNabb Street.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/PictureorVideo051.jpg[/QUOTE]

[vid]

The Whalen Building is just under two years away from its centenary. It will cost ten million to bring the building up to modern standards. City councillors don't want to spend that much, so the city solicitor has put demolition on the table. In the middle of a plan to turn it into a research hub.

This city's administration is composed of the stupidest people on Earth.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4890014734_1ff370e1a0_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidioman/4890014734/)

What city in its right mind would demolish a fully occupied, highly visible, class A office space in a heritage building in its downtown core? What city in its right mind would even consider that?

[russman]

:previous: The day the Whalen Building is demolished is the day I move out of T Bay.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

There's hardly any heritage architecture (especially "skyscrapers") in Northern Ontario; it would be a travesty to let the Whalen Building be demolished! :(

[tjernobyl]

My prediction: corrugated metal siding. :yuck:

[vid]

This city has an unnatural fetish for corrugated metal siding. It's disgusting and unnatural.

You would think, having a forestry economy, that we would have buildings that have wood on their facades, but no. None of our buildings do, and none of our new buildings will. :no:

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

This city has an unnatural fetish for corrugated metal siding. It's disgusting and unnatural.

You would think, having a forestry economy, that we would have buildings that have wood on their facades, but no. None of our buildings do, and none of our new buildings will. :no:

That is rather unfortunate. :(

[toaster]

Timmins Updates:

Another new seniors home is beginning construction in Timmins. A second Extendicare will be built in Timmins beside Ecole Secondaire Renaissance in the west-end. This is the third new seniors home to be developed recently, after the Wallford on Tamarack, and Autumnwood's current construction downtown.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg77/Foto_Gal_pics/extendicare003.jpg

A new Swiss Chalet will be opening as a new pad in the Timmins Square parking lot. Also, Lids and Campus Crew are new stores opening in the mall.

Two new hotels are confirmed to begin construction soon, and 1 other is rumored.
Hampton Inn and Suites is being developed downtown beside the 101 Mall (and will be connected to the mall). The hotel development involves an approximate $12-million investment in the city's downtown core. The proposed Hampton Inn Hotel and Convention Centre will be an eight-storey complex, approximately 730 square metres (7,875 square feet).


Comfort Inn and Suites is going to be constructed behind the Fishbowl restaurant on Riverside Drive.
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx180/Riskynett/hotel.jpg

Holiday Inn Express is rumored to still being in discussions to construct a hotel at North-West corner of Algonquin and Mountjoy. Holiday Inn said they would no longer proceed after The City of Timmins declined to overlook 500,000$ in costs related to the project, but rumors are that it will still proceed (perhaps under a different name). Here is a rendering of the project.
http://timminstimes.gallery.siteseer.ca/cache/derivative/1/1/11287.dat

[vid]

MESH Thunder Bay (http://www.meshtbay.ca/home). I'm still not entirely sure what this is about but it seems interesting and James at Netnewsledger says their meeting the other day was very exciting.

The city has shortlisted 7 sites in 5 areas for the multiplex. They are:

1 - Downtown Port Arthur between Camelot, Water, Van Norman and Cumberland in one of three configurations:

A: A multiplex with a bus terminal on its ground floor
B: A multiplex with convention space on its ground floor
C: A multiplex with a parkade on its ground floor

The "ground floor" is referring to the "basement" level that will be at ground level on Water Street, due to the slope. Buses would enter via Water Street, but it looks like a parkade configuration will use Van Norman.

Any of these may involve a pedestrian overpass, and the closure of Van Norman street to accommodate it and access to the underground parking. They don't say if an overpass will be in addition to or a replacement of the existing overpass.

2 - North of the Airport, just past the new Hilton. It would be built set back considerably from Arthur Street and accessed via the road allowance at the end of Hawker Road

3 - Innova Park south of Capital Way

4 - Innova Park north of Capital Way

5 - Games Complex Area, replacing Port Arthur Arena

6 - Games Complex Area, replacing parking west of Auditorium with a 3-level parkade replacing the baseball diamond to the north

7 - Pool Six site, with a parkade west of the Arena and a new road running along the east side of the CN rail yard connecting Marina Park to Kirkland Street

The DTPA configuration with a bus terminal will cost just under 80 million, while the Pool Six site will cost just under 130 million.

Downtown Fort William locations were ruled out because the Fort William Gardens site it too small, and due to lack of city owned properties large enough and cohesive enough elsewhere in the core to allow construction. The DTPA location is the cheapest because the city already owns that entire block, and it is the only site currently zoned to allow the construction of a multiplex, meaning construction could begin as soon as funding is secured. All other locations would require some combinations of land acquisition and re-zoning, which delays the construction process. Unknown soil conditions were also cited as concerns for the airport, Innova Park and Pool Six locations as the first two are swampy and they last one is reclaimed land.

If the link works, you can view the study here (http://ctbpub.thunderbay.ca/ctbapps/nonlinecorprpts.nsf/0/93675ceb7871cde085257887006dfa3b/$FILE/REPORT%202011.071%20ATTACHMENT%20C.pdf).

Also, Google Maps has updated the city's imagery showing a satellite photo from April, 2010. Notable changes include the Courthouse construction, Isabel retirement home, new City Hall, Superior CVI, Prince Arthur's Landing construction, Airport runway expansion and development of subdivisions.

[ccnews]

on the St John's NL thread, they already have the team "booking ice time", :koko:from what I'm reading its all still up in the air
Manitoba Moose, I should have said

both Thunder Bay and St John's NL are in the running to get this team, IF the Atlanta Thrashers go to Winnipeg


there will be two open houses on June 1, 2, the 1st being at the Da Vinci Centre, the other being at the Italian Cultural Centre.


"A proposed multiplex project for Thunder Bay is by no means a done deal, says city manager Tim Commisso.

But that's not stopping city administration from seeking public input as the planning phase moves into its next stage – narrowing down site locations and business models for more detailed study. The public will get that opportunity on June 1 and 2 from 6:30 p.m. to 9 p.m., at a pair of open houses to be staged respectively at the Da Vinci Centre and Italian Cultural Centre."--Tbnewswatch.com

[vid]

I still think downtown Fort William is the best place for it, but downtown Port Arthur is the second best place.

The Airport and any predominantly residential area is the worst. Innova Park isn't too bad, but it's too far removed from the city. We've gone from everyone complaining about how you can't access the area to everyone complaining that it's the only place to put stuff.

If you haven't been to Fort William lately, at least look towards it: The Courthouse crane is up! :tup:

http://imageshack.us/m/199/1610/im003086.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/200/4265/im003088.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/810/6246/im003092.jpg

You can see it from Superstore. I don't know if they'll get a tower crane later on or not; I don't think there are any in the area. Like City Hall, I have a feeling that that area is going to look very nice once it is done, it will feel like you're in a different, better city. Hopefully we see some investment in the offices around the area.

[ccnews]

Innova "business" Park - for an arena yes - for a multiplex NO - too far away from everything

downtown Fort William, I would love that as I'm originally from the East End and I would really like to see that area come back

College or University property - for an arena yes - for a multiplex NO - UNLESS the College decides to denote the land that is bordered by Barton and William

Port Arthur Arena area - ???

Pool 6 area - too costly, but might be the only option in case we want to expand or have a Curling Centre attached

Water Street bus terminal - looks like the only option, close to everything, and the city manager keeps bringing up the part of Northern Growth Plan’s

[vid]

Gravelle said that the province would support another location if the city could satisfy the province that that was the right location. I doubt the city would be able to satisfy the province, I think he is just posturing for the election. I seriously doubt the province will support it in Innova Park unless we're doing to do like Markham and fill the surrounding part of it with high rise condos and smart retail development, and I don't see that happening, as much as I'd like to see more density and residential uses in Intercity.

The Port Arthur Arena area might work, but, we would have to remove the green space in the area to accommodate it and to build developments that can feed off of it to make the investment worthwhile. Opportunity Thunder Bay (I think it was them) has a campaign of sorts to get the area south of John and north of second turned into a "skyscraper district". (I personally think that kind of development would be better located in the Intercity area.) If we can get the residential and business development down there, we could make it work, but probably at the expense of downtown Port Arthur.

There are some rumours going around TBNewswatch that the hotel developer at the waterfront (still unnamed) is pressing them for the multiplex in PA to make their investment work. It seems suspicious but I still think that that area is the most feasible of the areas identified in the report.

[ccnews]

having the multiplex near the waterfront would be a plus for the new hotel

[F. Lionel]

The Brew Pub is finally coming down to be replaced with a 24hr Shoppers Drug Mart.

This definitely means there will be another vacancy at County Fair but I wonder if they will close the Shoppers at Grandview?

Bentley has also closed up shop at County Fair but have opened a new location at Arthur Street Marketplace.

Campus Crew is coming to Intercity (beside Payless). Tim Horton's is still supposed to be renovated but are finalizing details for a temporary location. A&W in Intercity is also due for a renovation but there is no finalized time line for that to take place. Tabi has closed. Bath & Bodyworks is supposed to be coming to the Mall. There is a new tenant in final negotiations for the former Jacob Connextion location but nothing is finalized so nothing is announced.

Subway has opened at the corner of Oliver and Golf Links. The framing is going up on the building next to Quality Market.

Mounds of fill are being brought to the corner of Beverly and Balmoral to ready that lot for the residential construction. Did the developer get their exemption in order to increase the height of their building?

About a month ago the University tore down the Evans House along Oliver Road. Almost all the original houses have been removed from the University's property.

The Swiss Chalet sign has been pulled from the Harbour Crossing site. Maybe something new will go in there after all? The Intercity area could use a new Burger King.

Mongo's sign is in place and hopefully will open soon on Memorial. One of the other open spaces in that strip also looks like it's filled with construction materials.

Been through downtown FW a few times in the last couple of weeks. It's nice to see all the new construction going on. It's going to look quite nice once it's all finished up. Now if only something else would get going on the other half of the old McKellar site.

[vid]

Granite tiles are being installed on the ground floor façade of the DSSAB building, they're very nice. It's going to be a pretty good building.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1417/im003194.jpg

The metal awning things above the windows will have solar panels, and block the bright summer sun to keep the building cool. They're high enough so that low winter sun will be let in, warming the building. My apartment has a similar feature and it works very well, more buildings should have this.

[The Lakehead]

In your opinion, to support the proposed Multiplex on the current site of the Water Street Bus Terminal, would turning the area bounded by Camelot Street, Red River Road, Court Street South, and Cumberland Street all into pedestrian streets be a good idea?

The thought behind the idea is that the Heart of the Harbour Parkade is just across from Cooke Street. People would walk through that area to get to the Multiplex and give lots of exposure to businesses there. It would also give the same exposure when they go back to their vehicles.

This area receives little traffic and both Cooke Street and St. Paul Street are one-way streets anyway, so it won't disrupt flow of traffic that much. I do foresee a problem if significant numbers use the Heart of the Harbour Parkade. I foresee that many will jaywalk, instead of going through the intersection, which is a pretty big safety issue, but there are ways around it.

The inspiration for the idea comes from where my parents are from: Portugal. In Portugal, they have lots of these pedestrian streets and they're very popular. Often there are benches and tables with umbrellas and chairs in the middle for the general use of the public. It also can facilitate patio-style restaurants.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5186717886_d5c8b0cbe7.jpg
Credit to nelsonjasonnelson on flickr.

This picture is just behind the Triumphal Arch in Lisbon. The patterned cobblestone is really popular in Portugal.

I think Thunder Bay can pull off something similar. The biggest impediment to it is the winter. In Lisbon something like this is more effective because the weather is always nice there. It would take some creativity to make this work in a more northern climate. The area would be pretty well sheltered from wind and snow, considering it's surrounded by buildings. But it would require serious maintenance to make it snow and ice free to make it safe for people to walk on.

[vid]

In your opinion, to support the proposed Multiplex on the current site of the Water Street Bus Terminal, would turning the area bounded by Camelot Street, Red River Road, Court Street South, and Cumberland Street all into pedestrian streets be a good idea?

Red River Road is the dividing line for Port Arthur's north and south "quadrants" (there is no east or west), so it is bounded by North Court Street. That's where I originally wanted to see the multiplex built, if it were to be built in Port Arthur. (My first choice was on Simpson between Cumming and Miles, where the Triple Nickel once stood.)

Aside from the parking issues (that area has a lot of parking lots), I think it would work pretty well. Set it up like the market in Prince Arthur's Landing or a previously discussed idea for Victoria Avenue East, where the landscaping and paving is pedestrian oriented but the area is opened to cars during the off season (which would take care of what to do with the area in winter).

The thought behind the idea is that the Heart of the Harbour Parkade is just across from Cooke Street. People would walk through that area to get to the Multiplex and give lots of exposure to businesses there. It would also give the same exposure when they go back to their vehicles.

This area receives little traffic and both Cooke Street and St. Paul Street are one-way streets anyway, so it won't disrupt flow of traffic that much. I do foresee a problem if significant numbers use the Heart of the Harbour Parkade. I foresee that many will jaywalk, instead of going through the intersection, which is a pretty big safety issue, but there are ways around it.

We could also build a parkade in the area. Not sure how we would access it since all the lots on Court Street are occupied by buildings that shouldn't be demolished, though. Maybe keep Van Norman open and have that street serve as access to the parkade (which may or may not replace the Legion and the building Michael Gravelle's office is in) while the Cooke Street facade would be retail only at street level. Have businesses on Red River open up their back sides for retail on that road, or have the storefronts split into Red River Road and Cooke Street sides.

The inspiration for the idea comes from where my parents are from: Portugal. In Portugal, they have lots of these pedestrian streets and they're very popular. Often there are benches and tables with umbrellas and chairs in the middle for the general use of the public. It also can facilitate patio-style restaurants.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5186717886_d5c8b0cbe7.jpg
Credit to nelsonjasonnelson on flickr.

This picture is just behind the Triumphal Arch in Lisbon. The patterned cobblestone is really popular in Portugal.

Portugal is nice, but it isn't North America. We have a culture of never going outside and doing everything from our cars that they don't have, so pedestrian-only areas are more difficult to achieve here, especially in small, car-oriented cities. That's why the "pedestrians in summer/cars in winter" concept makes sense.

I think Thunder Bay can pull off something similar. The biggest impediment to it is the winter. In Lisbon something like this is more effective because the weather is always nice there. It would take some creativity to make this work in a more northern climate. The area would be pretty well sheltered from wind and snow, considering it's surrounded by buildings. But it would require serious maintenance to make it snow and ice free to make it safe for people to walk on.

I think that will be the biggest hurdle for this idea. When presented to the general public, they'll interpret it as another Keskus. It already requires maintenance to make is snow and ice free enough so that it is safe to walk on, so that won't be as much of an issue.

The biggest issues if we actually do it will be renovating the buildings to accommodate it (since Cooke and St. Paul are more like back alleys than actual streets; Lincoln, Lorne and Ambrose are the same) and building new buildings to make it a worthwhile destination. As it is, there is virtually no retail on Cooke Street, and very little on St. Paul.

At the very least, those two streets should be beautified, and crossing Court at Van Norman safely should be addressed.

—

Tim Hortons on Memorial (beside Swiss Chalet) is being renovated. The restaurant part is closed and the drive through is being done with a trailer in the back.

[Dwils01]

From Sootoday.com

With the completion of the Fort Creek section of the Hub Trail and its increased popularity and use by residents and visitors, the City of Sault Ste. Marie is undertaking the construction of a pavilion and expansion of the parking lot at the Second Line entrance to the Fort Creek conservation area.

[F. Lionel]

Tim Hortons on Memorial (beside Swiss Chalet) is being renovated. The restaurant part is closed and the drive through is being done with a trailer in the back.

It's also going to house a Cold Stone Creamery once it's finished being renovated.

[The Lakehead]

Red River Road is the dividing line for Port Arthur's north and south "quadrants" (there is no east or west), so it is bounded by North Court Street. That's where I originally wanted to see the multiplex built, if it were to be built in Port Arthur. (My first choice was on Simpson between Cumming and Miles, where the Triple Nickel once stood.)

Aside from the parking issues (that area has a lot of parking lots), I think it would work pretty well. Set it up like the market in Prince Arthur's Landing or a previously discussed idea for Victoria Avenue East, where the landscaping and paving is pedestrian oriented but the area is opened to cars during the off season (which would take care of what to do with the area in winter).



We could also build a parkade in the area. Not sure how we would access it since all the lots on Court Street are occupied by buildings that shouldn't be demolished, though. Maybe keep Van Norman open and have that street serve as access to the parkade (which may or may not replace the Legion and the building Michael Gravelle's office is in) while the Cooke Street facade would be retail only at street level. Have businesses on Red River open up their back sides for retail on that road, or have the storefronts split into Red River Road and Cooke Street sides.



Portugal is nice, but it isn't North America. We have a culture of never going outside and doing everything from our cars that they don't have, so pedestrian-only areas are more difficult to achieve here, especially in small, car-oriented cities. That's why the "pedestrians in summer/cars in winter" concept makes sense.



I think that will be the biggest hurdle for this idea. When presented to the general public, they'll interpret it as another Keskus. It already requires maintenance to make is snow and ice free enough so that it is safe to walk on, so that won't be as much of an issue.

The biggest issues if we actually do it will be renovating the buildings to accommodate it (since Cooke and St. Paul are more like back alleys than actual streets; Lincoln, Lorne and Ambrose are the same) and building new buildings to make it a worthwhile destination. As it is, there is virtually no retail on Cooke Street, and very little on St. Paul.

At the very least, those two streets should be beautified, and crossing Court at Van Norman safely should be addressed.

—

Tim Hortons on Memorial (beside Swiss Chalet) is being renovated. The restaurant part is closed and the drive through is being done with a trailer in the back.



You're right. It is mostly a back alley, so it would take some significant work to turn it into a viable pedestrian street.

But I think it should be a priority. Most people are going to be forced to park at the Heart of the Harbour parkade and walk the rest of the way. If they do it on the sidewalks of main streets like Red River and Cumberland, it will create commotion and traffic delays if there are throng of pedestrians going through intersections (and probably jaywalking too), preventing people from making left turns. It's only going to add to the chaos.

But if there's a pedestrian street where pedestrians can go from the parkade to the multiplex safely and disrupt traffic minimally, it would probably be better off in the long run.

[vid]

I'm sure they'll figure it out when the project gets underway. Has anyone mentioned it at an open house? There will be more so if it hasn't been brought up there is still a chance.

[The Lakehead]

I'm sure they'll figure it out when the project gets underway. Has anyone mentioned it at an open house? There will be more so if it hasn't been brought up there is still a chance.

Not to my recollection. I'll start diseminating the idea and see if it takes.

[Dwils01]

From the Sault Star. Can't find a rendering for this one yet.
A Toronto group has its eye on the Sault skyline after purchasing the former Northern Breweries site on Bay Street last week.

And before long the condominium complex the group plans to build on the 1.8-acre site at 503 Bay St. will probably catch the eye of everyone who passes.

Sun Avalone Health Care Partners Inc., has started the ball rolling toward construction of a 272-unit residential condominium/commercial/m edical complex that will be unique to the Sault and enhance the local waterfront, says Nirmala Singh, a co-ordinator with Sun Avalone.

Singh says the one-, two-and three-bedroom residential units will be "very affordable." There will also be five floors of large penthouse units.

"The use of the building is private residences, medical training and a suite of medical offices, and there will also be some additional commercial space." said Singh, who was in the Sault on Thursday with the lead architect of the project and a construction representative from southern Ontario.

Singh says the suite of medical offices will include a walk-in clinic, chiropractic, physiotherapy and optometrist services, as well as a laboratory and X-ray facility. The building will also house a medical school for training nurses.



Read more here:
http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3175302

[vid]

I hope they're successful. Since Sault Ste. Marie's tallest is about tied with Thunder Bay's and Sudbury's, this will be a new tallest conventional highrise in Northern Ontario, possibly the tallest building, if it is taller than a couple of Thunder Bay's grain elevators.

Thunder Bay's waterfront hotelier has apparently been "chosen" and I think we might find out during tonight's (Monday's) council meeting, when they approve (if things go well) the increase in height from 25 to 27 meters.

[vid]

Downtown map (http://www.box.net/shared/ftvkhoysxq9kuumt47uh) including various proposals and visions. You have to download the document (and possibly update Adobe reader) to view the notes.

Anything I've left out?

Here is the raster version. (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2397/02downtownfortwilliam.png)

[russman]

Looks good. :tup:

[vid]

Thanks. :)

As you may or may not know, a map is never finished. I added some more earlier but I'm not going to both re-uploading it for just a few minor changes.

[Dwils01]

From the Sault Star

Sault College is moving quickly to prepare for construction of its new health and wellness centre.

The post-secondary institution's board of governors agreed with president Ron Common's recommendation to begin work on the $11.5-million building immediately.

A request for proposal for design, build and construction is expected to be put out to tender by the second week of July, said Common on Thursday.

The two-storey, 45,000-square-foot building has a projected opening of fall 2012.

[Dwils01]

From Sootoday.

Starwood Energy Group Global, LLC (Starwood Energy), a private investment firm focused on energy infrastructure projects, today announced that its affiliate, Starwood SSM3 Canada, L.P., has reached financial close on a 10 megawatt (MW) AC solar photovoltaic project in the City of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario (Starwood SSM3).

The project builds on the success of Starwood SSM1, a 20MW AC project that came online in October 2010, and Starwood SSM2, a 30MW AC project expected to be completed during Q3 2011.

Starwood SSM3 is contracted under the Renewable Energy Standard Offer Program (RESOP) developed and overseen by the Ontario Power Authority (OPA) and will connect to local utility PUC Distribution, Inc.

The combined 60MW AC project, when complete, will be the second largest in North America and among the largest in the world.

Read more: http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=52852

[Dwils01]

From the Sault Star. Can't find a rendering for this one yet.


Read more here:
http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3175302

Finally got a rendering of the tower, my parents had to mail me a copy of the paper.
The tower will be 43 floors and about 146m. I hope it stays this way but I'm sure it will be reduced.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/041-1.jpg

[vid]

That can't possibly be proposed for Sault Ste. Marie. :stunned:

[Dwils01]

But it is. :D
I'm sure if it goes through, it won't be this tall, maybe only 20 floors.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

But it is. :D
I'm sure if it goes through, it won't be this tall, maybe only 20 floors.

I hope it's 40 floors. That way, not only is Kenora dejected by not having the tallest building between Winnipeg and Toronto, but us Ottawans can finally say: "look, even Sault-Ste. Marie has taller buildings than Ottawa!" :D

[vid]

Thunder Bay has the tallest building between Winnipeg and Toronto (Canada Malting Elevator); Sudbury has the tallest highrise (I think it's called Balmoral Towers?). Kenora has the tallest hotel between Winnipeg and Toronto. I think Sault Ste. Marie has the hotel with the most rooms. I think the tallest office building between the two cities is Tom Davie's Square, Sudbury's city hall.

The tallest smoke stack is the superstack, and the tallest TV tower (as far as I know) is the CHFD-TV tower east of Thunder Bay. (It's the 9th tallest thing in Canada, and the tallest object in Northern Ontario; the top of it, even though it is on a mountain, is still at a lower altitude than the CN Tower's pinnacle, which is the highest point in Ontario as far as I know.)

[Dwils01]

From what I'm hearing back home demolition of the brewery should be sometime this fall.

Also city council have been talking about the proposal. Looks like it might not be as big as the rendering shows.

I just hope that it will be tall enough to become our city's tallest of even Northern Ontario's tallest building.

[ForestryW]

Finally got a rendering of the tower, my parents had to mail me a copy of the paper.
The tower will be 43 floors and about 146m. I hope it stays this way but I'm sure it will be reduced.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/041-1.jpg

Looks like this one in Panama City:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2805/phpthumbgeneratedthumbnko9.jpg

(from VIP at SSC)

[russman]

Today I went and took photos of some of the construction around Thunder Bay. (Click on images for larger version)

Shoppers Drug Mart at Red River & Junot
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/5979276819_21a45532f7_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/5979276819_21a45532f7_b.jpg)

EMS Headquarters on Junot Ave
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/5979277601_432a595195_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/5979277601_432a595195_b.jpg)

Office Building at William & Balmoral
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/5979278445_bc8062fe8e_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/5979278445_bc8062fe8e_b.jpg)

Siding being repainted at Victoriaville Mall (Archibald Entrance)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/5979837172_9513e4388d_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/5979837172_9513e4388d_b.jpg)

Consolidated Courthouse from Victoriaville Parkette
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/5979837874_53cbc92b77_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/5979837874_53cbc92b77_b.jpg)

DSSAB Building at Arthur & May
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6011/5979280973_8aaed9361b_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6011/5979280973_8aaed9361b_b.jpg)

[ccnews]

nice pictures russman

there's also construction going on at the corner of Balmoral and Hewitson - not sure what is going in there

[Dwils01]

Anybody from Thunder Bay got pictures of the re-clad of Waverley Park Tower, I want to see how it turned out.

Thanks.

[vid]

It's still underway. They've got most of the eastern wing of the building, and are now working primarily on the southwest wing. At the rate they're going I'm not sure if it will be completed this year...

[Brandon716]

That is amazing, I'd make a weekend trip to Ste St Marie just to see it if its completed.

[Dwils01]

It's still underway. They've got most of the eastern wing of the building, and are now working primarily on the southwest wing. At the rate they're going I'm not sure if it will be completed this year...

It thought it would be almost done by now.

I'm going up that way but I'm only going as far as Schreiber so I won't see it.
Eventually I will get back to Thunder Bay for a visit.

Brandon, If you are referring to the proposed tower I posted on the last page, it hasn't started yet. But the brewery that sits on the site now is supposed to be demolished this fall.

[vid]

It took until almost Christmas to do just two of the building's nine exterior walls (and not completely; the ground floor was finished this spring), and they started that part in early August, last year. It's going to be a while. They've been working on this for over a year now, and they're barely half done yet.

[vid]

This photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28842972@N00/6081389714/) shows the south facade of Waverley Tower.

[vid]

Observations:

Macs at Arthur and Franklin is nearly finished.

The dental office that is replacing Love Bug is still under construction. A new entrance has been built for the building.

Shoppers Drug Mart at Red River and Junot is almost finished its shell, it has a slightly different facade material than most of the other new Shoppers locations and has a space for the clinic, which is currently at the Medical Building at TBRHSC.

The frame of the new EMS station on Junot is up. The building is perpendicular to the street. There is a planning committee application across the street from it to sever the parcels of land there.

A re-zoning application for the corner of High and Hester, properly formerly part of Agape Assembly, has been submitted to change the property's zoning to MU1, so that two four-plexes can be built on the site. They will front High Street. (The property is currently fronted to Ontario Street.)

Here are some photos of Waverley Park Tower:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8751/im003466.jpg

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/184/im003476.jpg

[Dwils01]

Thanks for posting the pics vid. :cheers:

From what I've seen here in the Sault. There is about 112 homes underconstruction right now.

Ford and Toyota dealership underconstruction on Great Northern Road by the new hospital.

A new big box store going up by Future Shop on Great Northern Road.

West End Sewage Treatment Plant is installing solar panles.

The new east end solar farm is almost complete and it is huge.

Got confirmation from the city that the brewery will be demolished this fall to make way for the new development.

Pics of other constructions sites in the Sault to come later.

[vid]

A new building is being built behind the TD Bank/Swiss Chalet/Tim Hortons at Harbour and Memorial. It's been planned for several years.

The DSSAB Building:

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7389/im003505.jpg

LOL! The two PT Cruisers! I didn't notice that when I took the photo. I have another with a bus that says "To Airpoi". Traffic is constant at that intersection during rush hour. The road construction in the foreground is the rebuilt of Brodie between Donald and Ridgeway. It's finally getting street trees, almost 30 years after the part between Donald and Miles got them.

Also, the Macs at Arthur and Norah is open.

[vid]

Went to Marina Park yesterday:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4161/im003557.jpg
Mariner's Hall

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6586/im003558.jpg
Baggage Building Extension

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2262/im003560.jpg
Curbing for new road

That curve in the road is really nice. It's going to be beautiful in about 15 years when the trees along it are more mature.



http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/259/im003537.jpg
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8469/im003538.jpg
Moon Gate at the Taiji Park. This is going to be really nice when it is done. Photos of the Giant through this gate will soon be just as common as views of it from Hillcrest Park. The Taiji Park is probably the most unique feature at Prince Arthur's Landing.

[Dwils01]

Heres some constructions site in Sault Ste. Marie I took.
Biosciences and Technology Convergence Centre at Algoma Univeristy (now open).
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/045-1.jpg

F. H. Clergue Public School (now open).
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/046-1.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/047-1.jpg

Project 2011 Sault College (now open).
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/048-1.jpg

Algoma Public Health Unit Building at Sault College. (now open).
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/049-1.jpg

Superior Heights High School (now open).
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/050-1.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/051-1.jpg

Solar Panel Maufacturing Plant opened this Summer.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/052-1.jpg

Tire Recycling Plant opened this Summer.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/053-1.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/054-1.jpg

Westend Community Centre, indoor soccer field and laer ice hockey rink.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/056-1.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/057-1.jpg

http://s1128.photobucket.com/albums/m498/DWils01/Sault%20Ste%20Marie/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24

[vid]

Wow, like aluminum siding much down there? :crazy:

Better than the concrete "bricks" and EIFS we have everywhere up here, though, I guess.

[toaster]

The Mayor of Timmins annouced at the most recent council meeting that the population of Timmins at the time of the 2011 Canadian Census is 46,346 an increase from 42,997 (3,349 increase).

I have no idea how Mr. Laughren got a hold of this information as the release date of census information is not until Feb of 2012.

[vid]

I don't think that information has even been compiled yet. It takes a while to run all the census forms through the computers and figure out the populations of municipalities.

On Wikipedia, someone has been editing that 2011 census data for Fort France has been "released early" to show their population has gone up. And they've been doing that since 2010.

Municipalities do a kind of census in election years and can get a basic idea of population from it, he might have been mistaking the census with that.

I can't remember which Statscan publication it was, but Thunder Bay has grown a bit over the past year according to their estimates.

[Chadillaccc]

I lovee this fantasy on the city page for Thunder Bay.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=48221


Would be an amazing feature for the city's waterfront.

[welcome]

Northern Breweries site to be used for new condo
By Brad Coccimiglio
SooToday.com
Thursday, September 29, 2011
The Northern Breweries property on Bay Street will be getting a facelift in 2012.

The site will be the new home of 200-unit condo and commercial tower.
and leasing options will be available as well.
http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=54092

[vid]

It's actually happening! :crazy: :notacrook:

I lovee this fantasy on the city page for Thunder Bay.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=48221


Would be an amazing feature for the city's waterfront.

I originally did that years ago after a failed proposal for a highrise at the corner of Red River and Pine. It would look good anywhere compared to the existing crap, though.

[Dwils01]

Northern Breweries site to be used for new condo
By Brad Coccimiglio
SooToday.com
Thursday, September 29, 2011
The Northern Breweries property on Bay Street will be getting a facelift in 2012.

The site will be the new home of 200-unit condo and commercial tower.
and leasing options will be available as well.
http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=54092

oh man, you beat me to it.

[Dwils01]

I got some information from city council for the 42 floor building in Sault Ste. Marie. It has now been approved. Demolition of the brewery and land clearing will start by the end of this year. Excavation will start in Spring 2012.

[Chadillaccc]

It's actually happening! :crazy: :notacrook:



I originally did that years ago after a failed proposal for a highrise at the corner of Red River and Pine. It would look good anywhere compared to the existing crap, though.



Are you serious? it's actually happening?

[Dwils01]

I think vid means the 42 floor building that's going to be built in Sault Ste. Marie.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

I got some information from city council for the 42 floor building in Sault Ste. Marie. It has now been approved. Demolition of the brewery and land clearing will start by the end of this year. Excavation will start in Spring 2012.

Wow, as if Sault Ste. Marie is going to get a building that dwarfs the tallest building in Ottawa, a city roughly twenty times the size of Sault Ste. Marie.

[north 42]

In the article it says there will be 32 floors INCLUDING 5 floors of penthouses and 5 levels of BELOW ground parking, so it's not gonna be 42 floors, but 32. Still a great developement for a city the size of the Soo.

[Dwils01]

It's 32 floors of liveable units

There is also going to be a medical training centre and a suite ofmedical offices. Also some commercial space at the bottom.

The medical offices will include a walk-in clinic, physiotherapy, optometrist services as well as a laboratory and a X-ray facility.

The medical training centre is a medical school for training nurses.

[north 42]

^ My bad, the article I read didn't mention that fact

[vid]

Some random development photos from around Thunder Bay:

Campus Hill:

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/707/im003674.jpg
Quality Market concept store. The store focuses on produce, bakery, meats and deli, with only 5 short aisles of processed food. It makes the other Quality Market look like Superstore in terms of store environment and quality of service. The windows are really nice. It's more like a farmers market than a grocery store.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6743/im003675.jpg
Pet Valu just opened recently

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1633/im003679.jpg
Campus Hill strip mall. Probably the nicest strip mall in town. Still a strip mall.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2892/im003680.jpg
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7017/im003683sch3.jpg

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http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/321/sam0164i.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4339/sam0166a.jpg
Riverside Place in Balmoral Park. Only tenant is still the Federal Government. The two storey portion was just completed, the one storey portion was built about a year ago.

Downtown Fort William developments:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6452/im003715.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9927/im003720sch2.jpg
DSSAB Building

Courthouse construction progress:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5328/sam0260h.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3337/sam0294y.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5333/sam0297u.jpg

According to the view from the East End bridge, the tallest elevator shaft is taller than Patterson Court:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4497/clipboard01pmq.jpg

So, Fort William will have a new tallest building in 2013.

[vid]

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1458/sam0626h.jpg

Centre of Excellence for Integration in Seniors Services (CEISS), at the end of Lillie Street (Hogarth-Riverview Hospital site). The building will be 8 storeys when completed in late 2012. This is the smaller, yellow building on the right. The red one hasn't yet started construction yet, it was added to the plan at a later date.

http://www.ceisstbay.ca/images/artistrendition.jpg (http://www.ceisstbay.ca/)

[Dwils01]

Thanks for the update vid. :cheers:

The courthouse is really starting to look tall now.

[toaster]

Porter Airlines has added Timmins as a destination, an will have 3 round-trip flights to Toronto-Island daily beginning in February.

[north 42]

^ We have Porter in Windsor and it's doing amazingly well, way ahead of the company's expectations. Screw Air Canada and their high prices.

[vid]

Porter's five flights connecting Thunder Bay to Toronto still aren't enough. We basically need a teleportation machine between here and Yonge Street.

[Chadillaccc]

What is the current population of Thunder Bay? Have any numbers being released? I'm talking about the municipal numbers, but metropolitan would be good too.

I'm assuming (hoping) that the population is back on the increase.

[vid]

Census numbers aren't out until February, but the numbers have started rising again in StatCans estimates. For 2010, they estimate 126,700 for the metro area. For October, the working age population (15 and over) is estimated at 102,400, compared to about 100,870 at the 2006 census, for the CMA. I would estimate the municipal population to be around 111,000.

The population is increasing primarily because aboriginals from northern reserves are seeking opportunities here. The aboriginal population in Thunder Bay is the fastest growing of all the CMAs.

[Chadillaccc]

Awesome to hear! Maybe one day Thunder Bay and Winnipeg will be the leading centers of Aboriginal culture in the country :)

Something definitely needs to be done about the impoverished conditions for the general aboriginal community at large first though. A stronger aboriginal community is a stronger Northern Ontario.

[Chadillaccc]

new tallest for kenora?
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3277/kenora.png
more images 2nd page of the gallery
http://www.nelsonarchitecture.com/resgallery/index.html

Is this still in the books? I'm guessing not so much...

Very nice looking building tho! :D

[vid]

I don't think it ever was a serious proposal, but I'm sure if the economy really picks up like they predict it will with the mining sector, a proposal like that for Kenora would be a possibility. Once the brewery project in Soo gets going, we're going to see a lot of Northerner's open their eyes at what a development like that can do for a city's reputation.

If that project goes ahead, Sault Ste. Marie could become the Malmö of Canada. :eek:

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

I don't think it ever was a serious proposal, but I'm sure if the economy really picks up like they predict it will with the mining sector, a proposal like that for Kenora would be a possibility. Once the brewery project in Soo gets going, we're going to see a lot of Northerner's open their eyes at what a development like that can do for a city's reputation.

If that project goes ahead, Sault Ste. Marie could become the Malmö of Canada. :eek:

What's so special about Malmo? :shrug:

[Dwils01]

:previous:
The design of the building in Sault Ste. Marie is suppose to resemble the Turning Torso built in Malmo
http://purecontemporary.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/malmo_high_rise_2_2.jpg
Source: http://purecontemporary.blogs.com/behind_the_curtains/2006/03/twisting_torso_.html

[toaster]

Timmins is campaigning to get one of the 3 new University Campuses promised by the Liberal government during the Election. As the last major city in Northern Ontario without a University, Timmins Mayor Tom Laughren is pushing to be keep young adults in Timmins.
The Liberals did terribly in Timmins, but I think with Gilles Bisson as NDP Leader of the House, something might happen, as the Liberals will need the NDP to pass anything, Bisson could put this as one of their (his) priorities.
I think a likely scenario would be for Algoma to set up a satellite campus. Both Laurentian and Nipissing house many Timmins students, but they'd lose out on housing these students in residence, etc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/story/2011/10/18/sby-new-universities.html

[vid]

What's so special about Malmo? :shrug:

It's across from Copenhagen. :yes:

Sadly, there is no Copenhagen in the UP.

[ccnews]

looks like they have started construction in the parking lot in front of The Brick on Fort William Road. I believed its suppose to be a Swiss Chalet

http://maps.google.ca/?ll=48.405759,-89.241042&spn=0.014615,0.027251&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=48.405697,-89.241058&panoid=Q_lMxGmcukNuuRC5dpfbBw&cbp=12,112.82,,0,23.39

[vid]

I think that fell through, I am not sure what it will be. I'm hoping the original rumours come back and it becomes a Harveys.