[Atlas]

hey wai dosent this bulding show up on the diagram in skyscraperpage diagram ?
Because we don't know what the final design will be, yet.

[vanhenrik]

Because we don't know what the final design will be, yet.
ok :yes: i hope ist going to be a hight of minimum 700 m

[malec]

So the SOM proposal has been ditched? If so then I really hope they go with this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg

[Thefigman]

So the SOM proposal has been ditched?

From what I understand, it's a contest to see which designer gets their design built.

[Rise To The Top]

when there is a winner, when will it be finished by?

[Rise To The Top]

when is the competion supposed to end?

[Fabb]

So the SOM proposal has been ditched?

Who said that ?
Since when ?

[Mercutio]

I think the SOM design is the only one worth building. Who's the developer for this project?

[staff]

If so then I really hope they go with this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg
I think this proposal is most likely to win, actually.

[vanhenrik]

So the SOM proposal has been ditched? If so then I really hope they go with this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg

this citty is a fjuturistic citty so i think it wold be a wery fjuturiskit tower !
not a oridjenal one ! so think outor the box with this one !

[vanhenrik]

when is the competion supposed to end?
i think in the bigining of the next year !

[TheMeltyMan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

I actually think this one would fit in nicely with Shanghai's already bizarre skyline.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ HAHA.... EWW!

That thing is the only one I really hate, all the rest are suprisingly decent. Though it would be cool, I'm not sure how some of those designs intend to create a ~600m building that is painted completely tie-dye! Anyone else notice that some of those models are orange and blue and green and so forth? That'd be cool, more power too them if they can figure out how to make it look decent and not fade!

[Bergenser]

This is one of the better proposals:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg

[Rise To The Top]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg
I would like to see the last two on the top row or this pic or the SOM design go up. some of the other ones seem to be too out of place in shanghai....

[Atlas]

You guys actually like this one?:yuck:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9079/2044691159565745vu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
These are better,
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5872/2044691159566268eo2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/596/kpf1otgjh8l9bcpukr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9300/1156323448wv7kwspmaqfhyp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Just my opinion.

[mclancer]

I agree......

[mightygoose]

nah my top two are the KPF desing, it looks so imposing and the first of the various designs because it musty be near 700m, all the iothers in seem to slate it but is has a sorta unique flavour to it, almost bushido, but hey whats my opinion worht anyway...

[Alliance]

WOW. Rarely do you see such a great collection of building designs.

I'm a fan of this design:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/596/kpf1otgjh8l9bcpukr2.jpg

Sexy!

[Stratosphere]

Great designs
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/JiMzNjgyODux5g_OXOUqAXd23az.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg


Nice but unrealistic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441421_x8x4JMHTe2cC.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323211_qd2XxWQA3PPR.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323827_ozBjpPqxHlEa.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159566268.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg


So so
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323604_pf4U4U2pudgO.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323448_wv7KWSpmaqfH.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441860_GBqrCgxA09aX.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441922_k2aXek97lXdV.jpg


Terrible
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441724_lDZ8SzBm5fBB.jpg

[malec]

I think this proposal is most likely to win, actually.
The only reason I said that is because someone earlier said the only proposals left are by Chinese firms

[PuyoPiyo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

I like this because its gold, white, silver, gray which are match to Shanghai's imaginary colors. Just in my mind.

[-GR2NY-]

This thing is ILL as a mothafuka!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg

[mariokarter]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

I actually think this one would fit in nicely with Shanghai's already bizarre skyline.

Now that you mention it, I agree. There skyline is already so outthere it wouldn't feel out of place. At first I was like "ew horrible" though.


Personally this is still my favorite though because it doesn't finish in a point like every skyscraper ever.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441421_x8x4JMHTe2cC.jpg

[Rise To The Top]

are there any updates on the competition for this lot? Is this just a proposal, or is the winner actually going to be built?

[drew11]

This is one of the better proposals:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159565644.jpg

yes it is but from the ground level proposal it looks like the windows are holes. :)

[ajjs8412]

these are all nice:yes: I just hope that the tallest one is built:skyscraper:

[BINARY SYSTEM]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

This design is nice for Shanghai... has an oriental feeling to it, not just a capitalist, western, boxy skyscraper appeal.

[Rise To The Top]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

This design is nice for Shanghai... has an oriental feeling to it, not just a capitalist, western, boxy skyscraper appeal.

hmmmm, seems to be the same for the rest of the skyline..... mabey thats why Shanghai looks so nice compaired to our cities.......

also, no updates on this one?

[Rise To The Top]

oops, double.....

[Rise To The Top]

Still no updates on this project? I would really like to see whats left on the table for options. The competition must be nearing final 8 or so.

[ZZ-II]

amazing how small the 420m jin mao tower looks against these new supertower in the last pic, unbelievable

[DUBAI2015]

Looks like 750 Meters to me.

I hope they build that one on post 129!

[ZZ-II]

agree

[Shanghai_Fan]

I can't believe nobody posted RTKL's render before :)

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/1_b6Jt1vlL6u2t.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/2_hg0vjp8xeAb1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/3_vshkR4dUAwpy.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/4_nRJTaQ9u3zP7.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/5_HNXnBEsEbWBg.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/6_5tV1pGh9Egb3.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/8_eIqibzTX3Xb4.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/7_RkS0RXCtNOYg.jpg

[malec]

Reminds me of ICC a bit

[PuyoPiyo]

^Nice color/design, but don't like the shape...

[starvinggryphon]

^^^
The height is tremendous, but the base is pretty retarded for no reason. The design seems like a throwback to the 60's when architects tried to create the future but instead were so short-sighted that their projects were "dated" before they were even built. I'll pass.

[Biff]

I definately sound like a nerd here but i actually feel bad for the Jin Mao. It is one of my most favorite buildings in the world and it is just becoming overwelmed by it's neighbours. I wish it could be relocated to an area where it could stand tall over it's surroundings. Boo hoo hoo....

[Thskyscraper]

I really like that tower, except for the base. Looks a bit old school... for some reason.

[Pandemonious]

RTKL's design is ok, but really doesn't inspire me with awe... and I think looks kind of clunky and ill-proportioned from the postcard viewpoint.

I am biased, but I'll take this as the winner:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif

None of the other designs really start to push the skyscraper in any sort of new direction. The structural expression and continuity, subtleness of the shape of the building, and (even though not easily seen here) the way the large retail base building is integrated with the site/subway/tower all make it stand out for me. This tower is like an engineer's wet dream. I mean, come on... its a Michell's truss applied to a skyscraper!!

I don't know what is taking so long to pick a winner for this competition.

[Sacto]

This is sexy:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5872/2044691159566268eo2.jpg

[Happy Valley Freak]

Wow!, I love Chineese architecture it's so futureistic!

[ATLksuGUY]

This would look nice in downtown Atlanta

[NYguy]

Very interesting designs, but I like the way this one plays with the others...

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/3_vshkR4dUAwpy.jpg


http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/5_HNXnBEsEbWBg.jpg


http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/8_eIqibzTX3Xb4.jpg

It also reminds me of Hong Kong's Union Square

[DUBAI2015]

I guess they got Mercedes to advertise in that picture. (All the cars are Mercedes)
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/4_nRJTaQ9u3zP7.jpg

[Pandemonious]

Although I suppose it may be obvious since there is a total lack of any news on this project... a little birdie told me that the competition winner has STILL not been decided. Figured I'd give you guys the heads up.

[Aleks]

This is hella not sexy i think china has so many projects in mind that architects just make some straight lines or squigilly ones and call it a building

and some of these designs arent that great architects have lost inspiration
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5872/2044691159566268eo2.jpg

and i see an extra building there i see the jin mao tower, new proposal, the shanghai int. finance center and another one all the way in the right

anybody know what building that is?!?! or is it a new proposal also
it seems to be quite tall

[Patrick]

KPF's is defantly my favorite, unique but it dosnt say HEY LOOK AT ME!! (which I hate) The tower really compliments the skyline and completes it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg

This one also comes in a close 2nd place. Its so simple but Intresting. I love how it completes the top three, imagine thw SWFC completed in this pic, amazing!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323448_wv7KWSpmaqfH.jpg

[Bergenser]

Any news about the competition?

BTW, I like this design in the same way as the old WTC in NYC:
Simple and beutiful! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/1156323448_wv7KWSpmaqfH.jpg

[Sacto]

I like this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg

this one

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5872/2044691159566268eo2.jpg

and this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/kpf-1_OtgJH8L9bCPu.jpg


This one can go back where it came from

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

[Ronin]

Just what Shanghai needs. more facade buildings that are half vacant... :tup:

[Rise To The Top]

Just what Shanghai needs. more facade buildings that are half vacant... :tup:

?! What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how fast Shanghai is growing? This is not Dubai, this is Shanghai.

Still no news no this? The competition should have been finished by now, and they should be moving on to contractors for the building. Does anyone know who won?

[DUBAI2015]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/129322_1160115896.jpg
I think this one is the best one of these towers because it's a design never thought of.
(From the bottom it looks like a spaceship)

[Rise To The Top]

Was this competition just a tease, or do they plan on building one of the proposals?

[phillyskyline]

Sounds like a tease...

[giallo]

^I don't think so. It will happen, but I really don't know if there is a need for it at the moment. There is so much vacant office space in Lujiazui right now that it seems foolish to go ahead with this project. I imagine it will probably start closer to or after the 2010 Expo. Investors would be wise to see what the office absorption rate is after Shanghai loosens it's reigns on foreign private business ownership. Besides, there is a great rooftop restaurant with insanely cheap prices that sits on the lot. I quite enjoy sipping a $3.00 big bottle of Carlsberg between my friends the Jin Mao and SWFC.


Here's a picture of my uncle doing just that..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/236/519473951_e3b6ce1a5d_o.jpg

[Hed Kandi]

bump

[dallasbrink]

Just what Shanghai needs. more facade buildings that are half vacant... :tup:

I seriously cant stand people like you who say "why build more towers when we cant fill the ones we have" Well, to answer that, we arnt building for today, we are building for tomorrow, and since China is like a family of hamsters and they are spitting out people left and right, these uge towers will be needed in the next 10 to 20 years.

[dallasbrink]

This one is my favorits

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg

And i like thise one, the base looks gothic, very cool, goes with Chinas Communist flavor.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5872/2044691159566268eo2.jpg

[Aleks]

I don't think it's the amount of people being born in China dallasbrink, rather the huge amounts of students who now realize they have to get an education and all those students graduating need a good place to work. So companies make new skyscrapers to allow more companies into moving to the country, this gives jobs to people and China gets a stronger economy.

Ronin was making a joke, give him a break.

[giallo]

The main reason that there are so many towers being built on spec in Shanghai is because of 2010. In 2010 it will be legal for foreigners to own their own company without a Chinese partner. Most of these towers are foreign owned. There's no way Chinese developers could afford to construct all of these skyscrapers.

[Aleks]

That makes sense.

I wish I could go to China specially Hong Kong and Shanghai. I love these two cities. I thought all the companies in China were supposed to be partnered with the government? I guess I was wrong.

[malec]

New renders of one of the proposals:



http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_21e63afaee10dbde6558pIR3ERfMTB7C.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg

[Fabb]

I'm starting to be sick of twisting towers.
This one is nice though...

[djvandrake]

:previous: Yeah, seems to be all the rage these days. This is a nicer looking implementation of that concept though, I would agree.

The height of this is most impressive. :tup:

[Aleks]

O.K. I have to admit this is probably the best proposal out of all of them. It's so nice.

[Lecom]

?! What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how fast Shanghai is growing? This is not Dubai, this is Shanghai.
Pay no attention to that guy (Ronin). It's common for lazy bigots to assume things rather than to research them and then talk out of their ass.

[sfguy]

Why are you guys still ranting about that one statement? It was just a joke made several months ago. Forget about it.

[sfguy]

The facade of the SOM design for this building reminds me of the facade for the SOM design of the SF Transbay Tower.

[bayrider]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/129322_1160115896.jpg
I think this one is the best one of these towers because it's a design never thought of.
(From the bottom it looks like a spaceship)

Wasnt that one of the proposals in SF for the Transbay Terminal?

[Stratosphere]

New renders of one of the proposals:



http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_597d633b388e7f1f8e20orRn2gbnXaDH.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_21e63afaee10dbde6558pIR3ERfMTB7C.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071110_74ca083a8dac4524d9261fq9TDTboKUJ.jpg
This tower must be as tall as Burj Dubai, judging from the height comparison with the SWF in the picture. Isn't this the KPF proposal posted on the first page?

[Atlas]

Build it!

[10023]

This one is just awful:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

[hauchyi]

This one can go back where it came from

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg


Ya, to the top of Taipei 101...

I hope this is not another wacky design by CY Lee..

[Dr. Taco]

I seriously cant stand people like you who say "why build more towers when we cant fill the ones we have" Well, to answer that, we arnt building for today, we are building for tomorrow, and since China is like a family of hamsters and they are spitting out people left and right, these uge towers will be needed in the next 10 to 20 years.

^ yes I realize I'm responding to one of the banned...

I agree with this in principle, but China is nowhere near behaving like a "family of hamsters". Its, of course, inevitable that a country with a population so large will continue to grow, but with their population restrictions, their population will inevitably hit a peak, and it probably won't be decades away. Just saying. Maybe its for the best? (even though I don't really believe in population control)

However, I have to admit that I'm jealous of the amount of building going on in shanghai and beijing, even with all the building going on in chicago. Do they need any of these proposals to be built? who knows. Would a winning bid being built be amazing? absolutely. like I said, I'm jealous of a lot of the designs in there.

Now, I don't want it to seem like I'm trolling or anything, but no how many amazing things shanghai could potentially build, I'll never get over how bad the oriental pearl is. But I'm sure that building has had to have been beaten so many times that mentioning it negatively is automatically trolling.

[aluminum]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

OMG !! *pukes*

phew, there goes my taco...

[BUILDIT]

Build it!

amen

[Aleks]

Well Taipei 101 is nice IMO. But the one aluminum posted is just awful..

[Rise To The Top]

Could a mod lock this and put staff's thread in place? Kinda hard to follow along for those who are just jumping in on discussion, esp now that there is site activity. Renderings and updates are all over.

[Shanghai_Fan]

The main reason that there are so many towers being built on spec in Shanghai is because of 2010. In 2010 it will be legal for foreigners to own their own company without a Chinese partner. Most of these towers are foreign owned. There's no way Chinese developers could afford to construct all of these skyscrapers.

You mean Chinese Mainland companies? You should explore about mega developments being planned in Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Shenyang or Chongqing. So many of them are run by Mainland groups like Shimao, Excellence, Moi, R&F, Yingli and The Regent among others. All of these companies are developing supertalls somewhere in China.

Of course many big projects in China are being developed my non Mainland groups, usually from Hong Kong and Taiwan, and many others by companies owned by ethnic Chinese from Singapore, Philippines, etc. Not too many by Japanese or Western developers though. The thing is that Chinese developers have a lot of money to build huge projects :D

Anyway, I don't think 2010 is boosting projects in Shanghai. On the contrary, Shanghai has become a rather second tier city about developing projects. Shanghai is getting its third supertall while so many cities in China are planning more than four.

[Biff]

Anyway, I don't think 2010 is boosting projects in Shanghai. On the contrary, Shanghai has become a rather second tier city about developing projects. Shanghai is getting its third supertall while so many cities in China are planning more than four.


Big difference in GETTING a new supertall and PLANNING a supertall. ;)

[Rise To The Top]

Big difference in GETTING a new supertall and PLANNING a supertall. ;)

Also a difference between a developed city and a developing. Shanghai MUST grow upward, there is no othere space avail. Unlike othere cities that have many supertalls planned, Shanghai needs the vertical space, while others are just doing it because they can.

[staff]

Could a mod lock this and put staff's thread in place? Kinda hard to follow along for those who are just jumping in on discussion, esp now that there is site activity. Renderings and updates are all over.

Right. Can a mod please lock this thread and open the one in the supertalls construction section?

[Urban Zombie®]

^
Not without me posting in it one last time!

[Pandemonious]

What thread? Also, this not only doesn't seem to be U/C.. site prep at best. A final design has not even been chosen, no?

This doesn't belong in Construction section.

[staff]

It's down to 4 or even 2 proposals at the moment. The S.O.M. proposal has been eliminated.

[Pandemonious]

^Lame. I guess it was too cool, and the structural system too revolutionary for Shanghai (or the builder cares a lot more about making a buck than making good architecture/engineering). With SOM's loss here in Shanghai (the first run), and in San Fran and Shenzhen this year, it will still be some time before the world will get a built tower utilizing a 3 dimensional non-planar (or planar for that matter) michell's truss for lateral load resistance...

I guess as long as that ugly as sin pagoda hybrid thing isn't still in it, there is still hope...

What proposals are still in the running then?

I wish I could see more than just the renders of the other towers, since that really doesn't give the whole picture of the building. I am curious to the sections and structural systems for some of the towers (By code in Shanghai due to high seismic activity and super typhoons, supertall towers need two lateral load systems (composite core can count as one)). Some of the proposals I find quite unattractive, and even downright ugly, but maybe they have something cool going on that isn't visible...

I was quite suprised that not a single one of the proposals (at least that I saw) tried to employ a super-mega frame system (Think Dynamic Intelligent Building or Al Burj (I assume) structural concepts), given the really tall height and enormous site to work with.

[Surrealplaces]

I love the SOM design. It's a sjame it was eliminated, it was the best one. :tup:

[xiahoudun]

Staff, which proposals are still in the race? Do you know?

[staff]

^^
I don't know, but rumours basically say that construction is due mid-2008 and that the estimated construction time is seven years. Hopefully that means it's something very special we're waiting for...

[Vito Corleone]

^^
I don't know, but rumours basically say that construction is due mid-2008 and that the estimated construction time is seven years. Hopefully that means it's something very special we're waiting for...

Yes, it is something very special...and you won't be disappointed.

[JDRCRASH]

Reminds me of the Russia Tower. I have to say, alot of those models are ugly:yuck:

[giallo]

Yes, it is something very special...and you won't be disappointed.

What the? You can't do that! C'mon, you know something, so throw us a little more.

[Vito Corleone]

What the? You can't do that! C'mon, you know something, so throw us a little more.

Currently it is confidential, but I will say that it will easily be China's tallest.

[giallo]

Thanks, Vito. I just needed a little something to go on.

[staff]

Cheers. :D

Taller than the GZ TV Tower also?

[xiahoudun]

I can't wait to see the design and hear the official height :banana:

[JDRCRASH]

Is it true that if you look at Shanghai from the sky, that it looks like a dragon swallowing a marble?

[Vito Corleone]

Cheers. :D

Taller than the GZ TV Tower also?

I wasn't informed of the exact height, but it could be.