[yowhsing]

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/01.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/02.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/03.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/04.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/05.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/06.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/07.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/08.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/09.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/10.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/11.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/12.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/13.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/14.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/shanghaitower/15.jpg

[malec]

^^ great pics there but please post them in the actual thread since threads with only links aren't allowed

[yowhsing]

^^ great pics there but please post them in the actual thread since threads with only links aren't allowed

sorry man, i cant figure how to post pictures in the thread

[malec]

Put the url of the pic between the tags and



BTW, some of those proposals look 700m or higher!!

[yowhsing]

i will modify this post as fast as possible to abide the forum rule...

can the moderator wait a short while before locking my post??

[staff]

Damn, man! That's a bunch of unseen renderings right there!
Where did you find these renderings? Do you know any place in Shanghai where they can be found? Not the Urban Planning Exhibition Hall, I assume?

[giallo]

Great find, yowhsing. That first rendering looks to be 600m+.

[yowhsing]

Damn, man! That's a bunch of unseen renderings right there!
Where did you find these renderings? Do you know any place in Shanghai where they can be found? Not the Urban Planning Exhibition Hall, I assume?

got those pictures from a "skyscraperpage.com-like" website in china.....

stay tune, that are more to come, i will update this post if i find more pictures...

make sure u re-visit my post :) :)

[staff]

^^
Sure will. It would be great if you could find out (on ss.cn) if these renderings can be seen somewhere in Shanghai. :)

Also, is the name 'Shanghai Center' the official name for this project (not for the final building I hope) now?

[Biff]

Damn! Those are tall. I feel bad for poor "little" Jin Mao...one of my favorite skyscrapers.;)

[yowhsing]

Damn! Those are tall. I feel bad for poor "little" Jin Mao...one of my favorite skyscrapers.;)

the "under-construction" SWFC will look little too, let alone Jin Mao

[malec]

This one or the SOM proposal are my favourites, they look like they're the most elegant.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441805_Cx4huDPNw7Q4.jpg

[yowhsing]

^^
Sure will. It would be great if you could find out (on ss.cn) if these renderings can be seen somewhere in Shanghai. :)

Also, is the name 'Shanghai Center' the official name for this project (not for the final building I hope) now?

i have no idea, but since this project is developed by "government-linked" company of shanghai, my guess is the name is for both the project and building....

btw, do u find this name a little "ordinary"?

[The Chemist]

This one is cool....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441421_x8x4JMHTe2cC.jpg

While this one is so attrocious it would ruin the entire Pudong skyline :yuck:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

[MolsonExport]

Breathtaking proposals. Shanghai will soon be the number 1 supertall city.

[Slugbelch]

Those pics are also on ssc somewhere. I think I saw them in the UAE section. I think in Dubai gossip thread.

[Adam from Oz]

WOW!

There are some great designs in there! So many to pick from!

One so easy to discard:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

This architect missed his aesthetics lectures, huh??:rolleyes:

Cheers,

Adam

[Lecom]

Wow, amazing, they haven't even gone halfway on SWFC and are already choosing designs for an even taller tower. Great for Shanghai, can't wait to see the work start on this one.

For the most part, these are some sleek designs, and being the selfish bastard that I am, I'll root for the home team of SOM, even though its design is not the best, just so I may get a chance to work on it next summer or something.

And I wonder if this tower will have an obs deck; if so, it will make the one on top of SWFC pretty obsolete.

[giallo]

Which one is the SOM design?

[staff]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

By the way, look at the tiny Oriental Pearl Tower in this rendering. :haha:

[ThreeHundred]

Looks a bit like the Russia Tower.

Can you imagine looking down at SWFC?

[Thskyscraper]

I really like the KPF design.

[Fabb]

So many amazing designs !
I don't know which one I like best.

[Pandemonious]

I am biased.. since I had a gigantic hand in the form and structure the SOM design took....none of the other designs can touch this beauty IMO:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif

[Fabb]

I am biased.. since I had a gigantic hand in the form and structure the SOM design took....none of the other designs can touch this beauty IMO:

This one, below, is the same, right ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

Good looking !

[Pandemonious]

Yes, same building just a different angle. In that night shot you can really see how each line of structure follows the path of least resistance creating the curves that gradually all converge together into the ground along the three corner mega columns, visually displaying how the building physically handles the lateral forces of the wind... redirecting it all into the foundation at the most efficient points. The idea of it is inspired by Michell's truss theorem (1904), which analyzes stress value ranges in truss members in comparison with the total weight (and therefore cost) of the structure. Structural optimization then becomes just another thing to add to the list of sustainable features this tower has.

[Fabb]

So, what are its chances of becoming a reality ?

[Pandemonious]

The developer bought the rights to develop the land from a previous developer that had SOM produce them a tower (The old version is still floating around the internet somewhere). They decided to hold a large international competition for a new design.

The building is mostly office, with a hotel at the top, so it isn't as if there would be any condos to sell. With this being such a huge well known competition and prime site, I would say the chances of it being built are very high.

[Stu]

The SOM or KPF design. The rest range from crap to great. Foster's design is unremarkable, IMO.

[Bergenser]

This project looks very cool. :)
Does someone got a hight or anything.... looks like Burj Dubai rival. ;)
in some renderings it actully looks 700m+....

My favourite:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg

[Atlas]

:previous: That one and the KPF design are the best in my opinion.

[Slugbelch]

Location?
Sep. 7th:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4687/9706ev4.jpg http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8216/254244882d5c7e86e45ocx4.jpg
cheff shanghai

[The Chemist]

This project looks very cool. :)
Does someone got a hight or anything.... looks like Burj Dubai rival. ;)
in some renderings it actully looks 700m+....



Looking at this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg

It looks like the expected height is somewhere between 560-580 metres. So between 70 to 90 metres taller than SWFC.

[Thskyscraper]

Location?
Sep. 7th:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4687/9706ev4.jpg http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8216/254244882d5c7e86e45ocx4.jpg
cheff shanghai
If that is the site, they've got a head start on construction.

[Pandemonious]

^That isn't the site. The site is at the top left of that photo across from Jin Mao. The competition just happened, so they don't even know what design is going to be built yet, much less how to start creating a foundation.

[Dougall5505]

what is that for then it looks like a big project

[High Pointer]

I love the KPF design--so sleek, and it makes Jin Mao and SWFC look like crappy second-rate skyscrapers in comparison!

The Gensler design is very cool in itself--but I don't think it'd be right for Shanghai, somehow.

The others range from decent to disastrous; I hate the same one everybody else does!

[teddybear]

The best one is Foster Proposal.

[Atlas]

The best one is Foster Proposal.
Eh, Foster one is good, but KPF looks better.

[Slugbelch]

Here's the version they put at the Shanghai Urban Planning Exhibition Center
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1228/1hi9.jpg http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1052/2ob8.jpg

[Atlas]

:previous: That looks almost the same height as the WFC.

[Pandemonious]

That is likely a massing model based on the ancient Daewoo Financial Center design, which was significantly shorter. The height for this new competition was proposed as 580m occupiable, allowing a crown/spire to reach taller.


I can't see how people really like Foster's design from that one image. It appears to be just a big boring prism thing..? Nothing original. KPF's while not bad, reminds me too much of a love child between the Complex Federation Tower in Moscow and the old Freedom Tower design. But, whatever.. to each his own..

In reality, we have all seen maybe one rendering of most of the towers. There is more to every proposal than one image I am sure. I suggest you all give the elevation-esque rendering of the SOM design I posted further down page one to show what I mean.

[giallo]

If that is the site, they've got a head start on construction.

This is what's going up on that site. It's called the Shanghai International Finance Center. The two towers are 260m and 250m respectively. All in all the development is 4 million square feet making it the largest project UC in Shanghai.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9156/lujiazuiworldfinancecenterdefi.jpg


The plot that Shanghai Center will eventually use is a driving range at the moment.

[Thskyscraper]

That is likely a massing model based on the ancient Daewoo Financial Center design, which was significantly shorter. The height for this new competition was proposed as 580m occupiable, allowing a crown/spire to reach taller.


I can't see how people really like Foster's design from that one image. It appears to be just a big boring prism thing..? Nothing original. KPF's while not bad, reminds me too much of a love child between the Complex Federation Tower in Moscow and the old Freedom Tower design. But, whatever.. to each his own..

In reality, we have all seen maybe one rendering of most of the towers. There is more to every proposal than one image I am sure. I suggest you all give the elevation-esque rendering of the SOM design I posted further down page one to show what I mean.

I see what you mean, but the SOM doesn't do it for me. It is nice, but IMO there are some of these proposals that have make more of an impact.

[WonderlandPark]

Gawd these are all damn tall. If it weren't for a little tower called the Burj Dubai, these would all be WTB proposals.

[ThreeHundred]

^ Even the worst tower looks better than the Burj.

[Urban Zombie®]

Great find, yowhsing. That first rendering looks to be 600m+.

Just about--according to the article the building is going to be somewhere between 560~580 meters. Craziness.

[jacks]

It will go on the driving range plot tucked behind the jin mao. It has long been planned to have a third super-tall there. One will go up eventually, but who knows if this will actually be it.
Those twins were originally going to be in the 350m range. THey are going to look tiny now if the third super-tall is as high as in most of these renderings. It's a shame as they are gorgeous!

[yumiko ^.^]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/som_1_q1vcD6pMwz0W.jpg

By the way, look at the tiny Oriental Pearl Tower in this rendering. :haha:
And it is Kowloon at the background :jester:

[Þróndeimr]

Some really unique and mindblowing proposals here, will be very hard to choose a winner to that plot, as it will overrun SWFC! :rolleyes:

[Stratosphere]

I am biased.. since I had a gigantic hand in the form and structure the SOM design took....none of the other designs can touch this beauty IMO:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif
After observing all those designs carefully, I agree. The SOM design is the best. The shape is simple and symetrical and beautiful, not some crazy, out-of-this-world geometry. The beatiful external bracing is going a give this tower a timeless touch and make it an instant landmark.

Some of the other designs look wonderful too, but they seem to be too ahead of our time. They look like they belong to StarWars and the geometry doesn't look like they're "build-able". The rest range from average to down right ugly.

[starvinggryphon]

Will this be in the running for World's Tallest Building......or not quite?

[malec]

^^ Not quite. If the burj wasn't being built it'd be cool to watch this and the russia tower go head to head for the WTB :)

[Atlas]

I really like the KPF design, I hope it wins.:worship: :worship:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9900/kpf1otgjh8l9bcpuab0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AZheat]

A couple of those designs were really spectacular. I would be thrilled to get one of Shanghai's little projects, it would dwarf anything we have in Phoenix. What I really like about so many of China's buildings are the futuristic and unconventional designs that have become so common.

[Smiley Person]

WOW!

There are some great designs in there! So many to pick from!

One so easy to discard:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441515_gSSWGD0d8ABW.jpg

This architect missed his aesthetics lectures, huh??:rolleyes:

Cheers,

Adam

looks like he took two projects and stacked one on top of the other... I'm kinda curious to know who it was, and what his other work looks like.

[vanhenrik]

dass this prodjekt has a hompage en a video animation yet ?

[vincent]

Okay guys, don't get too excited. The article clearly say NONE of the design from foreign firms get through the first phase of the selection process. (phase 1 of the selection process has 36 proposals, only 9 proposals get into phase 2, which are all chinese firm)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg

[dubai 1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg
it reminds me of the freedom tower

[Pandemonious]

Okay guys, don't get too excited. The article clearly say NONE of the design from foreign firms get through the first phase of the selection process. (phase 1 of the selection process has 36 proposals, only 9 proposals get into phase 2, which are all chinese firm)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/z3-2_izKWAFwufegB.jpg


They are selecting the best of the Chinese proposals, to then compete against the foreign firms' proposals.

[Atlas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/278972_1159441623_wt7JbXgPsCzM.jpg
it reminds me of the freedom tower
An inverted and taller Freedom Tower. I like that design.:yes:

[avcellvs]

Not Foster's proposal but a project by a shanghai architect SIADR (Shanghai Institute of Architectural Design):

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565988_S46ZS0pw4iII.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565850_xDPvlCJNcZSu.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565745_6LviugAYYqOi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441805.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159438511.jpg


Another project (...) :

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159566268_AfEK3nGsy8j0.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159566365_g5Te8NlheN0h.jpg

[Torch]

Jin Mao looks so small in the renderings.

[staff]

Wow, thanks a lot for these new renderings!

[colemonkee]

Damn, Foster is the man. The guy just keeps coming up with new and exiting designs.

[Thskyscraper]

Damn, Foster is the man. The guy just keeps coming up with new and exiting designs.
Yeah, his design is one of my favorites. I like the fragmented and sharp appearnce of the tower. Really nice.

[-GR2NY-]

So when does launch sequence begin?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159566268.jpg

[Pandemonious]

Foster's is just a giant glass stalagmite... seen designs similar to that before. This competition has some strong entries I think, but which ones are really pushing the limits of the skyscraper (aside from pushing the limits of ugliness in some cases)?

[Shanghai_Fan]

@Pandemonious, do you know how many floors does that design have? What about the other proposals?

[yowhsing]

to Pandemonious,

where did u find those extra renderings of the SOM design???

[yowhsing]

[QUOTE=avcellvs]Foster's proposal :

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565988_S46ZS0pw4iII.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565850_xDPvlCJNcZSu.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/204469_1159565745_6LviugAYYqOi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441805.jpg

this isnt Foster's proposal!!

it's actually done by shanghai local architect - SIADR(Shanghai Institute of Architectural Design)

[Pandemonious]

I believe it has 118 official floors. As for the other towers, I have no idea. They left the height a little loose, so some designs are taller and others are shorter I imagine, but all should be well over 100 floors for sure.

[Fabb]

^^This disn't look like foster, even though it was reminiscent of the kissing towers.

[Atlas]

I love the KPF Design!!!!
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8050/kpf2pcjzkzyaroutas5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[avcellvs]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/z0rg/278972_1159441805.jpg

this isnt Foster's proposal!! it's actually done by shanghai local architect - SIADR(Shanghai Institute of Architectural Design)

Thanks, sorry to have delivered a false info, I have edited my post.

[samoen313]

Is it me or does the SOM design look vaguely similar to Melbourne's never-built Grollo Tower? Not that that is bad by any means, I think it is quite a handsome design and it was a shame the Grollo Tower was never built, so why not now? I'd chalk it up with KPF and Gensler as the most elegant.

[Stratosphere]

:previous:

I don't see any similarity between them.

Grollo Tower
http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1046064156137_2003/02/27/grollo.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/379dcmgrollotwer6.jpg

SOM proposal
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Pandemonious/perspec1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/JiMzNjgyODux5g_OXOUqAXd23az.jpg

[Lecom]

Sweet, now BD won't be the only ultratall in the world.

I say we draw the super/ultratall division mark at 600 or 650 m - about twice the height of the regular supertall 300 m/1000 foot-ish mark.

[Pandemonious]

By the way, the SOM design seems to be 600m tall based on how tall it is in comparison to the SWFC in that elevation on page 3.

[Atlas]

lol, The SOM design looks like the Russia Tower and the KPF design looks like the Federation Tower.

[Pandemonious]

^I don't see the similarity to the Russia Tower, aside from the height. The shape of the building, structural system, and tapering are all quite different. The Russia Tower is shaped more like a tapering Lake Point Tower, but with right angles instead of curves in plan. The structural system for the SOM design is based on a bulging curvilinear Michell's Truss, not just a straight up linear diagrid system.

The KPF design is a hell of a lot like the Complex Federation tower, but moreso from seeing the model of the KPF design on page 1 of the thread.... it even appears to have some sort of separate thin cylindrical core attached to the building. The KPF design is ok, it just isn't doing it for me.

Foster's design is very reminiscent of his design for Russia almost crossed with his unbuilt Tokyo tower. The model is also on page 1.. I hadnt seen the model pictures before.

[Pandemonious]

Figured I would give this thread a bump. It has been a full two weeks since I last posted. Is there really no news about a winner for this competition yet?

[STR]

There is a winner, a tweaked design seen earlier. They liked the orignal so much they decided to make a twin.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5772/2789721159441515gsswgd0d8abwlj6.jpg

[Pandemonious]

^Heh. Two of them certainly doesn't make it any less hideous.

So, nobody has heard anything about the real winner?

[staff]

Pandemonious,
Nope, the competition isn't over yet.

[philip]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Skyscraper/ShanghaiCenterProposal.jpg http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/bigphilip/Skyscraper/ShanghaiTaipei101Ripoff.jpg

[rbowk]

i love all of then great pics

[Rise To The Top]

Shanghai = Greatest Skyline by 2010

[Thefigman]

Shanghai = Greatest Skyline by 2010

I don't see Shanghai beating out HK, Chicago, or NYC just yet.

[AK47KC]

Nice, I can't believe how fast that CBD is changing with all these projects.

[Rise To The Top]

I don't see Shanghai beating out HK, Chicago, or NYC just yet.

Well I like Shaghai more than NYC and Chicago because the skyline seems to be more alive than NYC's and Chicago's, only my opinion tho...

[Atlas]

I think Dubai will have the best skyline in 2010 because they are building 10+ supertalls and 1 gigantic tower.

Anyway, I still like the KPF design but the SOM one is growing on me.

[Rise To The Top]

any updates yet?

[Capsule F]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/yowhsing/204469_1159566365.jpg


I will say that this is my favorite, rocket ship or no

[Rise To The Top]

^^^^^^^^^
From that rendering and other pics ive seen, it looks like there is quite a bit of empty space for development. is it possible that there could be 2 winners for this?

[BINARY SYSTEM]

http://www.chbt.net/online/attachments/0MK66Lv5MzIz_mt0L.jpg

What project are these two towers? They look good with the WFC and the proposed Shanghai Center. (start new thread maybe)

[staff]

It's Shanghai IFC (International Finance Center), which is u/c.

[cur_sed]

wait, they have a world finance centre -and- and international financial centre?
Beautiful buildings, all of them, but I think they need to hire a advertising firm or something to come up with some new names :P

[staff]

^^
Seems like every city needs a WFC, IFC, ICC etc. nowadays. Just look at Hong Kong. :)
Generally, though, I quite like the building names in Shanghai - but there are of course some really bad ones.

[vanhenrik]

hey wai dosent this bulding show up on the diagram in skyscraperpage diagram ?