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Mister F

Nov 11, 2006, 3:49 PM

Forbes report shows NHL teams worth more

TIM WHARNSBY

Globe and Mail Update

The new collective labour agreement has been a boon to National Hockey League franchises, and the Toronto Maple Leafs continue to lead the strut down the golden brick road with a franchise value of $332-million (all figures U.S.).

According to Forbes magazine's annual approximations of NHL franchise values, the average club is worth $180-million and makes a $4.2-million operating profit, compared with an average franchise value of $163-million and losses of $3.2-million before the 2004-05 lockout.

"Hockey teams are worth more today than before the new collective agreement because player salaries have gone down to 54 per cent of league revenue from 66 per cent," Forbes reasons. "Fixed player costs bring greater certainty to the bottom line, which in turn means buyers will pay a higher multiple of revenue to acquire a franchise."

Each of the six Canadian clubs enjoyed increased franchise value, according to Forbes, and the main reason has been the stronger Canadian dollar.

The Edmonton Oilers enjoyed the greatest increase among the Canadian clubs: 40 per cent, to $146-million from $104-million in 2003-04. The Oilers' run to the Stanley Cup playoffs last season greatly increased revenue and as a result the franchise value.

The Vancouver Canucks' value increased by 30 per cent, to $192-million from $148-million. The West Coast franchise has improved its value through strong marketing and pay-per-view revenues.

The Ottawa Senators' value was up by 27 per cent, to $159-million from $125-million, but Forbes claims the Senators have had a drop in corporate sponsorship.

The Leafs and Montreal Canadiens each had an 18-per-cent increase in franchise value. The Leafs went to $332-million from $280-million, and the Habs increased to $230-million from $195-million.

The Leafs, of course, missed the playoffs last season, but the franchise continues to maximize sponsorship and advertising revenues and benefits greatly from regional broadcast rights.

The Canadiens enjoyed a value increase because owner George Gillett "leveraged his building this summer when he borrowed $240-million in part to pay himself a $72-million dividend," the magazine says. "Gillett used the Bell Centre to secure the loan. The Bell Centre cost $190-million to build and opened in 1996. The huge, unprecedented dividend guarantees Gillett a large return on the $181-million he paid for 80 per cent of the team and 100 per cent of the arena in 2001."

The Calgary Flames had a 17-per-cent increase in value, to $135-million from $116-million. Forbes theorizes that because the Flames failed to advance to the Western Conference final last season, their profit was not as high as expected.

LordMandeep

Nov 11, 2006, 6:34 PM

interesting, so Toronto are the New York Yankees of Hockey...

Nov 11, 2006, 6:49 PM

interesting, so Toronto are the New York Yankees of Hockey...

Without the championships (at least the consistent ones anyways).

habsfan

Nov 11, 2006, 6:53 PM

interesting, so Toronto are the New York Yankees of Hockey...

on a 40 year losing streak!:cheers: ;)

Calgarian

Nov 11, 2006, 8:35 PM

Canucks are going down tonight!

I don't care if the leafs are the New York Yankees of hockey, I will always hate them.

The Chemist

Nov 11, 2006, 9:37 PM

I don't care if the leafs are the New York Yankees of hockey, I will always hate them.

Well, that's pretty much proof they are the Yanks of hockey - everybody but Yankees fans hates the Yankees, and everybody but Laughs fans hate the Laughs. :D

shappy

Nov 11, 2006, 9:49 PM

I agree... it's a true sign of a premier sports franchise. By hating the Leafs, it shows that you in fact fundamentally respect them (in a morbid way, of course). So essentially, we all agree: the Leafs are the best!!

:frog:

Nov 11, 2006, 10:43 PM

Hardhatdan

Nov 11, 2006, 11:59 PM

^Talk about false news reports.

feepa

Nov 12, 2006, 12:47 AM

This just in: The Leafs are GREAT!
Yes, Great at not winning the cup in 40 years and many more years to come!

GO LEAFS GO!

shappy

Nov 12, 2006, 4:03 AM

ouch, the Scabs are going to get a lot scabbier after getting beat up so bad!

GO LEAFS GO!
that's the spirit! :tup:

Nov 12, 2006, 7:37 AM

Wow, the Hab-Nots got quite a beating. Outshot 42-26 and outscored 5-1.

Pretty sad.

stamps

Nov 12, 2006, 8:07 AM

Flames 3 Canucks 2. A great come from behind win, awesome goal by Iggy.....Four wins in a row.....here come the Flames............ ......GO FLAMES GO!!!!!!!

Coldrsx

Nov 12, 2006, 9:07 AM

^wow...van sure looked weak at the wrong times.

Good on cal.

Gdoggy

Nov 12, 2006, 3:51 PM

Wow, the Hab-Nots got quite a beating. Outshot 42-26 and outscored 5-1.

Pretty sad.

Let's be fair here... the scabs were playing handicapped. Higgins was out and Kovalev and Guimauve Latendresse were in. That's alot to overcome.
;)

shappy

Nov 12, 2006, 4:34 PM

Nov 12, 2006, 5:05 PM

Let's be fair here... the scabs were playing handicapped. Higgins was out and Kovalev and Guimauve Latendresse were in. That's alot to overcome.
;)

LOL!

Nov 12, 2006, 5:06 PM

man, the Leafs' powerplay is so impressive... McCabe and Kaberle at the points, Tucker down low and Wellwood (and Sundin) creating the opportunities. Defensively, they're doing alright... Wozniewski was signed for another year (though he won't be playing anytime soon). Raycroft is solid as well.

These Leafs could go far this year... I smell a decent playoff run.

Yeah, they could, although I'm still cautious at the moment.

This is the first year even the media is still predicting at this point they may make the playoffs. I like the attitude...if they go far it'll be much more satisfying.

shappy

Nov 12, 2006, 5:22 PM

yeah, I'm certainly cautious as well but things are clicking. Maurice seems to be doing a great job... the lines are clicking, the young guys are developing, etc.

Nov 12, 2006, 5:32 PM

yeah, I'm certainly cautious as well but things are clicking. Maurice seems to be doing a great job... the lines are clicking, the young guys are developing, etc.

Yep. I wonder what effect Kubina's return will have on the defense, which has really solidified.

I have to admit I was wrong about the Gill signing as well, at least so far...he's been very solid, and a rock on the PK.

circle33

Nov 12, 2006, 5:41 PM

So the question begs, what do you call a team that can't beat the Losers?

habsfan

Nov 12, 2006, 8:05 PM

So the question begs, what do you call a team that can't beat the Losers?

they beat them in the first game off the year.

plus if my memory serves me right, didn'T the losers have a 4 game to 2 lead on the habs last year, only to see them get their asses handed to them in two straight games on the same week end???(5 to 1 and 6 to 2)

The season is still early, pleanty of time to kick some Loser ass!

Calgarian

Nov 12, 2006, 8:07 PM

Yeah Bitches! Flames are on a roll.

circle33

Nov 12, 2006, 8:33 PM

Long season for sure, but the pre game swagger on here before Saturday's match up seemed to imply...uhhh...anyway...

Well, whatever. I know who won last night.

Nov 12, 2006, 8:35 PM

they beat them in the first game off the year.

plus if my memory serves me right, didn'T the losers have a 4 game to 2 lead on the habs last year, only to see them get their asses handed to them in two straight games on the same week end???(5 to 1 and 6 to 2)

The season is still early, pleanty of time to kick some Loser ass!

Hmm...seems like someone is living in the past.

Who cares about last year? The Leafs are dominating the hapless hab-nots right now.

Nov 12, 2006, 8:39 PM

Long season for sure, but the pre game swagger on here before Saturday's match up seemed to imply...uhhh...anyway...

Well, whatever. I know who won last night.

Yeah...all that swagger didn't seem to work out for him...

At least we were all treated to a nice, pre-game/Remembrance Day ceremony with past legends of the game and soon-to-be Hall of Famers, all in Toronto for their immortality.

shappy

Nov 12, 2006, 8:55 PM

but... I thought montreal was the mecca of hockey... ?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Nov 12, 2006, 9:33 PM

but... I thought montreal was the mecca of hockey... ?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

...for diving?

LordMandeep

Nov 12, 2006, 10:20 PM

Toronto and Montreal are the two starting places of the NHL.

CorporateWhore

Nov 12, 2006, 10:39 PM

I don't care if the leafs are the New York Yankees of hockey, I will always hate them.

The Leafs have never been the Yankees of hockey. The Yankees actually manage to win stuff.

People hate the Yankees because they win (even if they bought many of their wins). People hate the Leafs just because they are the Leafs (even if they tried to buy many of their...um, losses?).

shappy

Nov 12, 2006, 10:50 PM

people don't hate the Yankees because they win, they hate them because they're dominant in the world of baseball. Similarily, the Leafs (and Toronto) are dominant in the world hockey. HNIC, the Hockey Hall of Fame, Don Cherry, top franchise value, etc. It's the whole package. And having the second most cups is not bad either ;)

Calgarian

Nov 13, 2006, 4:51 AM

I would give Montreal dominance over TO as far as hockey goes, hall of fame aside of course.

shappy

Nov 13, 2006, 5:33 AM

^ based on Stanley Cup wins alone? Sure, but does that equate to dominance overall?

However, I really don't want to get into this here... topic for another thread perhaps.

Anyway, I'm proving "my" earlier theory on myself. I respect the Scabs... what can I say? The Toronto/Montreal rivalry is a great one. It's been on the back-burner for several years it seems... it's time to get it going again!

Taller Better

Nov 13, 2006, 6:01 AM

I would give Montreal dominance over TO as far as hockey goes, hall of fame aside of course.

They are both dyed in the wool old time hockey towns to the roots. When I was very young in Manitoba, our family was split down the middle in supporting either the Leafs or the Habs! Made for great Hockey Night in Canada evenings!!! :whip:

Nov 13, 2006, 7:24 AM

The hatred for the Yankees comes from a similar place as the hatred for the Leafs - it has to do just as much with the hatred for NYC overall for it being the pre-eminent city in the US.

Same reason why people hate the Leafs - Toronto is the dominant city in the country, and they see the Leafs being able to buy players, huge fan base, etc. as an extension of that.

WHISTLERINMUSKOKA

Nov 13, 2006, 7:21 PM

Let's be fair here... the scabs were playing handicapped. Higgins was out and Kovalev and Guimauve Latendresse were in. That's alot to overcome.
;)

The Leafs had no Sundin or Raycroft, what's your point?

PhilippeMtl

Nov 13, 2006, 7:55 PM

but... I thought montreal was the mecca of hockey... ?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Montreal is the Mecca of hockey, you just have to come to Bell Center and you will see the difference between Montreal fans and the rest of North America's fans...

Gdoggy

Nov 13, 2006, 8:14 PM

The Leafs had no Sundin or Raycroft, what's your point?

read more closely

Gdoggy

Nov 13, 2006, 8:17 PM

Montreal is the Mecca of hockey, you just have to come to Bell Center and you will see the difference between Montreal fans and the rest of North American fans...

Do you really believe that shit ?
:koko:

not much of a mecca when you can't even support a junior team is it...

...............NHL ... AHL ... CHL

Toronto..... 1 ... 1 ... 4
Vancouver.. 1 ... 0 ... 1
Calgary...... 1 ... 0 ... 1
Edmonton... 1 ... 0 ... 1
Ottawa...... 1 ... 0 ... 2
Montreal.... 1 ... 0 ... 0

PhilippeMtl

Nov 13, 2006, 8:26 PM

Do you really believe that shit ?
:koko:

not much of a mecca when you can't even support a junior team is it...

What is your point about a junior team? The Rockets were playing in Hochelaga Maisonneuve, a poor district in the east-end. A new team will appears in Montreal (Brossard) in 2 years...

Quebec gives more good players to NHL than Ontario (you are only good for defenseman) or any province or state in NA...

shappy

Nov 13, 2006, 8:36 PM

Montreal is the Mecca of hockey, you just have to come to Bell Center and you will see the difference between Montreal fans and the rest of North America's fans...

so now it's about the fans?? Basically the entire lower bowl at the ACC for Leafs games are bought up by corporations who entertain their guests for the night. Either that or rich, old farts who have waited in line for most of their lives to obtain season tickets. Doesn't quite equate to a rowdy crowd. It sucks, but that's the way things have played out because the demand is so high.

Recently, however, local theatres are showing Leaf games on the big screens. Not quite the same as being there obviously, but that would still make for a fun and amazing experience!

Gdoggy

Nov 13, 2006, 8:37 PM

What is your point about a junior team? The Rockets were playing in Hochelaga Maisonneuve, a poor district in the east-end. A new team will appears in Montreal (Brossard) in 2 years...

what's the point ?
how can you self proclaim to be a hockey mecca when you don't support the game :haha:

I bet the team leaves after 1 year to go to the maritimes too... How many other attempts have there been to try major junior hockey there ? Laval, verdun, rocket and god knows how many others have had to move.

Quebec gives more player to NHL than Ontario or any province or state in NA...

yeah right... I bet that's not true in terms of numbers or percentage...

AlbertaBeef

Nov 13, 2006, 11:02 PM

For 2000

Canadian provinces producing the most NHL players.
Province % of Can. players
Ontario 38%
Quebec 19%
Alberta 17%
B.C. 10%
Saskatchewan 8%

Way to go Alberta!

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 2:38 AM

Alberta has almost as many players as Quebec, with less than half the population !!!

Hootch

Nov 14, 2006, 5:29 AM

Most NHL players from Alberta are from the Edmonton area. I'm not sure the exact number, but it's certainly a disproportionate amount.

And I agree with everything GDoggy just said about the Scabs. They have great fans, but they are not anymore passionate than the rest of Canada.

Hootch

Nov 14, 2006, 5:32 AM

I must say that was a questionable hit at best. What a fitting end to this road trip from hell.

I hope Smyth is alright.

jeffwhit

Nov 14, 2006, 7:39 AM

^^I'm a Flames fan and I would consider that hit far beyond questionable, it was filthy. Looking at the replay though it looks like the actual injury could have occurred when Smyth appeared to roll over his left knee after being flipped onto the ice... ouch.

PhilippeMtl

Nov 14, 2006, 1:12 PM

Quebec produces the greatest forwarders & goalies.

FACT.

Montreal is the mecca of hockey

FACT.

It was like that for the last 70 years and it still the same.

End of the story.

Nov 14, 2006, 2:01 PM

Quebec produces the greatest forwarders & goalies.

FACT.

Of course. Everybody knows that Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito, Tony Esposito, Ken Dryen, Mark Messier, Steve Yzerman, Terry Sawchuk, etc. are all from Quebec...

Of the twelve Canadians in the Top 20 in scoring right now:

Ontario - 5
Quebec - 3
Saskatchewan - 2
Alberta - 1
Nova Scotia - 1

Montreal is the mecca of hockey

FACT.

It was like that for the last 70 years and it still the same.

End of the story.

LOL

That's like saying "The sun revolves around the earth. End of story.".

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 3:31 PM

FACT.

Quebec has also produced the most defecemen with a left handed shot who have eaten poutine at a st-jean-baptiste festival !!

PhilippeMtl

Nov 14, 2006, 3:37 PM

FACT.

Quebec has also produced the most defecemen with a left handed shot who have eaten poutine at a st-jean-baptiste festival !!

St Jean Baptiste is not a festival. Show some respect please.

PhilippeMtl

Nov 14, 2006, 3:38 PM

Ontario - 5
Quebec - 3
Saskatchewan - 2
Alberta - 1
Nova Scotia - 1

Do the same exercise with the cumulative of the last 20 years...

Nov 14, 2006, 3:42 PM

Do the same exercise with the cumulative of the last 20 years...

You do it.

It was your claim so the onus is on you to prove it.

I get the feeling you won't since it will probably disprove your theory.

Mister F

Nov 14, 2006, 4:33 PM

When's the St-Jean Baptiste Festival? I'm always up for a good festival. Festivals are fun :D

PhilippeMtl

Nov 14, 2006, 4:38 PM

When's the St-Jean Baptiste Festival? I'm always up for a good festival. Festivals are fun :D

Come to Montreal next summer cause with the festivals choices you have in Toronto, you will find your summer boring!

Nov 14, 2006, 4:45 PM

Come to Montreal next summer cause with the festivals choices you have in Toronto, you will find your summer boring!

You're right...all we do is daydream about Montreal...the festivals, all the great hockey players which only come from Quebec...if only we could move the city, in it's entirety, to Montreal.

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 5:43 PM

Toronto and Montreal are the two starting places of the NHL.

Ah yes...another ignorant torontonian who believes that just because the CBC has a boner for the Leafs, that Toronto had anything to do with the creation of the NHL.

Just so you won't sound as ignorant next time, the NHL was founded at the Windsor Hotel in Montreal. Not Toronto!

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 5:45 PM

That's like saying "The earth revolves around the sun. End of story.".

fixed.

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 5:50 PM

Hmm...seems like someone is living in the past.

Who cares about last year? The Leafs are dominating the hapless hab-nots right now.

Dominating...wow, one game and they've been dominating us. Priceless!:haha:

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...then again, when you have a past as pathetic as the leafs...i would want to forget it as well.

Again, plenty of time to kick some loser ass this season. The losers are on a high right now...it won't last...and you all know it!

A new team will appears in Montreal (Brossard) in 2 years...

just spoke to the Contractor, it will soon be confirmed, the Habs are building a new practice facility/arena in Brossard, and a junior team will be playing there.

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 5:53 PM

as long as the most important part of the NHL, it's history and hall of fame, are located in Toronto...

:tup:

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 5:56 PM

just spoke to the Contractor, it will soon be confirmed, the Habs are building a new practice facility/arena in Brossard, and a junior team will be playing there.

so a junior team will not only practice there, but play there too (at least for 1 year) !!

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 5:57 PM

St Jean Baptiste is not a festival. Show some respect please.
well calling it a national holiday is wrong too, so we'll leave it at that :rolleyes:

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 5:59 PM

The losers are on a high right now...it won't last...and you all know it!

could be, we only have 5 games left withg the scabs
only guaranteed 10 points more this season
:(

PhilippeMtl

Nov 14, 2006, 6:00 PM

well calling it a national holiday is wrong too, so we'll leave it at that :rolleyes:

We will see in 4 years if it is will be wrong.

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 6:08 PM

the suspense is killing me

Nov 14, 2006, 6:11 PM

Ah yes...another ignorant torontonian who believes that just because the CBC has a boner for the Leafs, that Toronto had anything to do with the creation of the NHL.

Just so you won't sound as ignorant next time, the NHL was founded at the Windsor Hotel in Montreal. Not Toronto!

They met in Montreal but representatives from Toronto did indeed have a hand in the creation of the NHL. In fact, it was a dispute between Livingstone and the rest of the owners which led to its establishment.

You should save the "ignorant" label for yourself Don.

Nov 14, 2006, 6:13 PM

Dominating...wow, one game and they've been dominating us. Priceless!:haha:

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...then again, when you have a past as pathetic as the leafs...i would want to forget it as well.

Again, plenty of time to kick some loser ass this season. The losers are on a high right now...it won't last...and you all know it!

LOL

At least we have a game this season as a point of reference. You have to go back to last year.

Besides, the Leafs have owned the Hab-Nots in recent years.

No need to be jealous.

Nov 14, 2006, 6:14 PM

We will see in 4 years if it is will be wrong.

Still waiting for that 20 year list of Top NHL scorers...

Ginty

Nov 14, 2006, 6:47 PM

The sexual tension in here is getting thicker by the second

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 7:08 PM

They met in Montreal but representatives from Toronto did indeed have a hand in the creation of the NHL. In fact, it was a dispute between Livingstone and the rest of the owners which led to its establishment.

You should save the "ignorant" label for yourself Don.

i'm well aware as to why they met, but it doesn't change the fact that they met here.

NutmeG

Nov 14, 2006, 7:29 PM

Heres another fact, Montreal has already sold all its tickets this season. I think they were sold out since october maybe even before that.

Gdoggy

Nov 14, 2006, 7:45 PM

several teams sell every ticket every year...

Nov 14, 2006, 8:04 PM

i'm well aware as to why they met, but it doesn't change the fact that they met here.

They could've met on Mars, it doesn't really matter. The point is that Toronto did indeed play a substantial role in the formation of the NHL.

Would it be accurate to call you an ignorant Montrealer who can't see past his city's borders?

ErickMontreal

Nov 14, 2006, 9:03 PM

circle33

Nov 14, 2006, 9:05 PM

What the hell was that?

WHISTLERINMUSKOKA

Nov 14, 2006, 9:41 PM

Well let’s face it, everybody on this site wrote Toronto off before the season even started, Toronto fans were content with just doing better then last year, we’re all very surprised by the way this team has come together this year. So please excuse us for acting a little bit more optimistic then usual. None of us are saying we’re going to get the cup this year, but I think the proof is there that we have a great foundation to build off of now. Toronto’s time will come maybe sooner then later.

http://www.mapleleafs.com/assets/fanzone/tucker_1400_0607.jpg

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 10:07 PM

Carbonneau fiddles with second line

PAT HICKEY
The Gazette

Tuesday, November 14, 2006

Head coach Guy Carbonneau continues to search for the missing piece of the puzzle that is his No. 2 line. The latest alignment has Andrei Kostitsyn, who was called up from Hamilton on Sunday, playing right wing on a line with Alex Kovalev and Sergei Samsonov.

Kostitsyn brought some energy to the trio, but it appears Kovalev's wonky knee is bothering him more than he admits.

Meanwhile, Alexander Perezhogin, who had been playing on the second line, was returned to the third line with Radek Bonk and Mike Johnson. They combined to put the Canadiens ahead 2-1 late in the third period, with Perezhogin doing a good job controlling the puck and getting a shot on goal. Bonk, who spent the first 10 years of his NHL career with the Senators, redirected the shot for his third goal of the season. That puts him halfway to his goal total of last season.

Bouillon rejoins team: Injured defenceman Francis Bouillon was on the charter to Florida last night. There's no chance he will play in either of the two remaining games on this road trip, but Carbonneau wants him to practise with the team.

Carbonneau said Bouillon, who underwent knee surgery in August, has shown improvement in recent workouts. Said Carbonneau: "He'll tell me when he's ready to play and then we'll use him. We don't plan to send him to Hamilton for conditioning."

That's an indication Carbonneau isn't happy with his defence, particularly late addition Janne Niinimaa. The Finn could be on the bench as early as Thursday night if Mathieu Dandenault returns to the roster.

Dandenault has been out since Oct. 14 with a torn hamstring. He has been practising with the team since last Friday and is tentatively scheduled to play Thursday in Florida.

No room for friendship: It was tough for Columbus general manager Doug MacLean to fire head coach Gerard Gallant, because they're long-time friends, but the Blue Jackets were expected to be better than their 5-9-1 record. Assistant Gary Agnew is the interim head coach, but don't be surprised if Ken Hitchcock surfaces in Ohio.

The fans weigh in: At the start of the season, TSN asked fans which Canadian team had the best chance to win the Stanley Cup. Calgary topped the poll at 33 per cent, while Ottawa was next at 19 per cent. The results were different when TSN asked the same question last week. The Canadiens were the choice of 32 per cent of the fans, while Toronto was next at 28 per cent. Calgary and Ottawa brought up the rear at 7 per cent each.

Lovin' it!

They could've met on Mars, it doesn't really matter. The point is that Toronto did indeed play a substantial role in the formation of the NHL.

Would it be accurate to call you an ignorant Montrealer who can't see past his city's borders?

No because i am not!;) Substantial role...hmmm....of course it matters where it was held. that was the point of my original post!

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 10:09 PM

several teams sell every ticket every year...

yeah, but non of them have a 21,000+ seat arena to fill...cough cough air canada centre cough cough

WHISTLERINMUSKOKA

Nov 14, 2006, 10:12 PM

Lovin' it!

As am I Habsfan, Go Habs! Go Leafs!

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 10:23 PM

As am I Habsfan, Go Habs!

Fixed!;)

DrJoe

Nov 14, 2006, 10:29 PM

yeah, but non of them have a 21,000+ seat arena to fill...cough cough air canada centre cough cough

Does it really matter? They could sell an extra 2000 like it was nothing. They are the leading brand in the NHL after all.

Leafs - Ranked 1st
http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/31/2006/312012_2.gif

Canadiens - Ranked 7th
http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/31/2006/314528_2.gif

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/31/biz_06nhl_Toronto-Maple-Leafs_312012.html

habsfan

Nov 14, 2006, 10:58 PM

Does it really matter? They could sell an extra 2000 like it was nothing. They are the leading brand in the NHL after all.

of course the leafs are worth more, they play in a bigger market...it sure helps.

you think they could sell an extra 2000 tickets every night, no problem? Then why is it that they can get 19,500 people for some games, yet can only get 19,300 for other games?

I'm aware that the air canada centre only has 18,800 seats and the rest is standing room, but if they were able to sell the extra 2,000 seats every night(like you say), wouldn't you think that they would always get 19,500 people in the building.

We all know that the 18,800 number is a bit of a "joke", when in reality the real maximum capacity of the building should be closer to 19,500.

Gdoggy

Nov 15, 2006, 12:07 AM

the scabs are giving away over 500 tickets to every game...

hmmm... guess they know they have too many seats to fill

Gdoggy

Nov 15, 2006, 12:10 AM

The fans weigh in: At the start of the season, TSN asked fans which Canadian team had the best chance to win the Stanley Cup. Calgary topped the poll at 33 per cent, while Ottawa was next at 19 per cent. The results were different when TSN asked the same question last week. The Canadiens were the choice of 32 per cent of the fans, while Toronto was next at 28 per cent. Calgary and Ottawa brought up the rear at 7 per cent each.

You have to love those scientific polls don't you...
:haha:

Distill3d

Nov 15, 2006, 2:25 AM

habsfan

Nov 15, 2006, 3:04 AM

the scabs are giving away over 500 tickets to every game...

hmmm... guess they know they have too many seats to fill

woohoo, at least it allows for regular joes to go see the game in person with their kids. Even if you remove the 500 tickets at 20$ each, you still have to sell 20,800 seats everygame.

habsfan

Nov 15, 2006, 3:05 AM

habsfan

Nov 15, 2006, 3:06 AM

for those fighting about which has more of a suprememacy in hockey (Ontario or Quebec) lets not point out the the fact here and mention that the last two Canadian teams two play for the Stanley Cup have been from Alberta.

I can play that game as well.

Guess who's the last team north of the Border to win the Cup.:rolleyes:

THE HABS BABY

Calgarian

Nov 15, 2006, 6:10 AM

5 in a row! Flames are back in the top half in the west! Those pre season predictions are looking a little more acurate now.

skrish

Nov 15, 2006, 6:47 AM

^ I'm loving the Iggy to Tangs plays

AlbertaBeef

Nov 15, 2006, 7:36 AM

Go Flames Go!:cheers:

Nov 15, 2006, 2:06 PM

Substantial role...hmmm....of course it matters where it was held.

Not really. World War I ended with the Treaty of Versailles. Does that mean Versailles is responsible for the end of the War?

that was the point of my original post!

No it wasn't.

"Ah yes...another ignorant torontonian who believes that just because the CBC has a boner for the Leafs, that Toronto had anything to do with the creation of the NHL."

It's pretty clear Toronto had a lot to do with the creation of the NHL.

Nov 15, 2006, 2:09 PM

of course the leafs are worth more, they play in a bigger market...it sure helps.

you think they could sell an extra 2000 tickets every night, no problem? Then why is it that they can get 19,500 people for some games, yet can only get 19,300 for other games?

I'm aware that the air canada centre only has 18,800 seats and the rest is standing room, but if they were able to sell the extra 2,000 seats every night(like you say), wouldn't you think that they would always get 19,500 people in the building.

We all know that the 18,800 number is a bit of a "joke", when in reality the real maximum capacity of the building should be closer to 19,500.

This is only the 2nd time in long while that the Hab-Nots have been able to sell all their tickets.

Besides, your attendance might be a lot lower if it weren't for Torontonians buying all those tickets to see the Leafs win in Montreal. ;)

Nov 15, 2006, 2:11 PM

Well let’s face it, everybody on this site wrote Toronto off before the season even started, Toronto fans were content with just doing better then last year, we’re all very surprised by the way this team has come together this year. So please excuse us for acting a little bit more optimistic then usual. None of us are saying we’re going to get the cup this year, but I think the proof is there that we have a great foundation to build off of now. Toronto’s time will come maybe sooner then later.

I don't think we're being overly optimistic at all Whistler. We were just enjoying a win over the Hab-Nots. That seems to be a constant for Toronto for the past little while, regardless of how the season works out ;).

habsfan

Nov 15, 2006, 3:39 PM

This is only the 2nd time in long while that the Hab-Nots have been able to sell all their tickets

oh please, like toronto should get any merit for selling out the ACC...

Teh habs sold out the Forum every night(and at least the Forum had room for 18,000 people) whereas ML garden didn'T have enough room for 16,000 people. Once again that's an extra of at least 2,000 fans per game.

True, the habs didn't sell out the Bell centre in the late 90's and early 00's, but with a horrible team, it was kind of normal, plus its not like they were gettin only 18,000 people per game...they were still attracting over 20,000 per game(which is still more than what you can get at the acc)

now that we have a decent team, they have no problems selling out...and please don't use the lame fairweather fans excuse...we'll see how the ACC will be doing whenthe losers go on a 10 year slump. It was easy selling out a 15,600 seat arena in the 80's when the losers sucked BIG TIME...i'm curious to see itf they'll still get 19,400 fans per game when they get their asses handed to them!

It's pretty clear Toronto had a lot to do with the creation of the NHL

Just because the owner of the toronto team was bitchin about something doesn,t mean toronto HAD ALOT to do with the creation...if toronto haad soo much to do with the creation, why wasn't the NHL created in CotU?

Anyways, enjoy your win, 5 more games to go, plenty of time for the habs to kick some loser butt!