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delts145
Apr 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Deek, How is that large shopping complex coming along...any updates? Also, anything happening with Spanish Fork's Main Street district, as far as new eateries, restoring old gems, etc.?


My intention wasn't to stereotype or downgrade any particular group of people. Rather, to point out that there are over 100,000 people living south of Provo and we don't have shopping opportunities that don't include being wrangled and corralled about like we're a bunch of college students.
I love the new Costco. It's refreshing to be in a large store and not feel like I should be wielding a light saber about, just to get to the deli section.
It'll be just as nice to have more food options where we won't have to wait in line forever because there are 20 couples, (15 of which are 1st dates) in line in front of you.
I love BYU, I'm a huge fan. My wife graduated from BYU and we were living in BYU housing when we met. But I'm no spring chicken anymore. I don't like fighting with the students come feed time. I just don't have the energy now that I have to deal with kids of my own.

Here's to development south of Provo!!!

Deek1978
Apr 25, 2013, 4:17 PM
I just heard today that a Texas Roadhouse will be built. I don't know if this is a for sure thing, I haven't seen it written anywhere. As far as the new construction, they're currently grading land right next to the Gold's Gym on the west side of Highway 6. I imagine after that part is finished the Food-4-Less building will come down. I don't know where the roller derby girls will race after that building is razed, but oh well. I tried to get my wife to go try out for the roller derby team, but she wouldn't. That would have been AWESOME!

As far as downtown, i haven't seen a lot of changes lately, I don't think the city is too concerned with downtown at the moment. Their really trying to push hard and develop the shopping area. This will mean a lot of property tax $$ and sales tax $$ for the city. One thing that hampers Spanish Fork is not having a full-time fire department. I'm sure this increases insurance rates on businesses. I called one night because a CO2 detector in our house went off. I didn't get a call back from the fire dept for 16 hours. I could have called 911 emergency, but I didn't think it necessary at that moment. I ended up realizing we had a faulty detector.

Once more starts happening, I'll post more frequently.

Orlando
Apr 25, 2013, 9:02 PM
http://slenterprise.com/view/full_story/22099197/article-Development-of-former-Geneva-Steel-site-takes-shape?

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Development of former Geneva Steel site takes shape

The Enterprise 24 days ago By John M. Rogers

The Enterprise

Although a date has yet to be set for groundbreaking, Cottonwood Partners of Salt Lake City is moving ahead with plans to be the first to build on the former Geneva Steel site in Utah County. According to John West, Cottonwood CEO, his company has purchased and will develop approximately 123 acres at the site, located at about 800 North on Geneva Road in the town of Vineyard.

West said he considers the project to be “middle of the fairway” in regard to his company’s objectives.

“We generally look for projects which we believe will allow us to add substantial value to the community, and which we expect to be very successful economically for Cottonwood,” he said. “We think the location of this project, with its three freeway exits, freeway exposure, FrontRunner stop, access to the Utah Lake front, spectacular views in all directions and its ultimate mixed use character will be ‘the place to live, work and play in Utah County.’”

Originally approved in January 2011 by the Vineyard Redevelopment Agency, the total project encompasses more than 1,700 acres. Master plan development is being done by Anderson Geneva Development. Vineyard City is completing the initial major infrastructure construction at the site and the main north-south artery, and Mill Road is nearing completion along with much of the associated utility work. The site is located on the eastern shore of Utah Lake within the fast-growing Provo-Orem metro area.

The Geneva Steel plant was constructed during World War II and after fits and starts during the 1980s and 1990s shut down permanently in 2002. Anderson Geneva purchased the property in 2005 and has been involved in the remediation of the site, making it suitable for development. Most of the cleanup cost were absorbed by the property’s previous owner, U. S. Steel Corp.

West expects his company to be able to access the site for its own infrastructure work in the first quarter of 2014, with building construction to begin shortly thereafter.

“Anderson Geneva is pleased to have a developer the caliber and reputation of Cottonwood Partners taking such a high profile role in the development of our site,” said Stewart Park, Anderson Geneva project manager. “We are seeing increased interest in our project as the market picks up.”

Cottonwood is not a newcomer to projects of this magnitude, having completed similar developments in Salt Lake County, Dallas and Washington, D.C.

Cottonwood will call its first development “The Forge at Geneva” but has not settled on exact plans yet. However, West estimates the first phase to be approximately 70 percent office space, 25 percent residential and the remaining space split between retail and entertainment. West predicted that the eventual actual commercial and office space could be much more than the 2 million square feet cited in recent press reports. Cottonwood expects its traditional building partner, Big-D Construction of Salt Lake City, to be the general contractor when construction gets under way.

Anderson Geneva is working closely with Cottonwood and the town of Vineyard and planning director Nathan Crane on infrastructure planning, allocation of RDA funds and entitlements for the project.

The project’s high proportion of office space is in response to research showing a demand for this type of space in the area.

“I anticipate a high level of interest from successful high-tech companies who are in a growth phase, given the proximity to nearby universities, I-15 and the FrontRunner service,” West said. A marketing plan for the Forge is currently being developed, according to West, with targeted potential tenants being contacted immediately.

Original master plans presented by Anderson Geneva include an intermodal hub providing both freight and commuter rail access. Utah Transit Authority’s FrontRunner commuter service will have a scheduled stop within the project.

StevenF
Apr 27, 2013, 5:21 AM
I kinda wish the buildings built up against Utah Lake would be 3-5 story buildings with 8-12 story ones built behind. Giving the area a resort feel for Utah County in Vinyard. Just think of the views of the lake and mountains they could have from there. Building just 2-3 story buildings there just seems to limit the potential of what Utah Lake could be for Utah County. Who knows the land south of the Geneva site could be a small amusement park on the lake and have a pier.

delts145
Apr 30, 2013, 11:33 AM
Springville Civic Center Water Park to have grand opening Saturday

Deseret News

SPRINGVILLE — The city will hold a grand opening for its new Civic Center Water Park on Saturday, May 4 at 10 a.m.

The park, located at 110 S. Main, features a decorative fountain, an interactive stream, a splash pad, spray features along the interactive stream, a restroom, grass and berm areas, and picnic tables.

The features will only operate during the day and be shut off at night. The grand opening event is weather-permitting.

http://www.springville.org/buildings-and-grounds/civic-center-water-park/
http://www.springville.org/buildings-and-grounds/files/2012/11/water_small.jpg

A water feature has been built between the Civic Center and the Fire Station (approx. 50 South Main Street). The new water feature will include the following:

•A decorative fountain.
•An interactive stream. Maximum water depth will be about 2.5 inches.
•A splash pad.
•Spray features along the interactive stream.
•A restroom.
•Grass and berm areas.
•Picnic tables.
The project is scheduled to be substantially complete by April 2013. We will turn the water features on this spring as weather allows. The features will only operate during the day, and be shut off at night.

The water in the features will run through a recirculation system which will treat the water much like a swimming pool system. The feature will be open for all to enjoy.

Alex Roylance
Director - Buildings & Grounds Department

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Wasatch_One
May 3, 2013, 7:19 PM
Updated Payson LDS Temple picture(s) from a few days back...

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/d4/8d40b83e-b123-11e2-9178-0019bb2963f4/517f00878bfd7.preview-620.jpg

More here: http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/south/payson/photos-payson-temple-construction/collection_31c26a12-8cbf-11e2-aca9-0019bb2963f4.html#5

Orlando
May 8, 2013, 12:46 AM
http://slenterprise.com/pages/full_story/push?article-New+headquarters+will+give+mixer+cup+firm+space+to+ship+-millions-+of+bottles+annually%20&id=22447683&instance=top_stories

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New headquarters will give mixer cup firm space to ship 'millions' of bottles annually

BlenderBottle has broken ground on its new Lehi headquarters, which will give the company 100,000 square feet of office, warehousing and distribution space.

John M. Rogers The Enterprise

Steve Sorensen didn’t set out to start a busi ness. He just needed a better way to mix his daily protein shake without the lumps that made it almost unpalatable. The result was the BlenderBottle and Sorenson’s company will break ground this week on a new 100,000 square foot headquarters building.

Founded in 2000, BlenderBottle will consolidate its operations to a new state-of-the-art distribution center and office building at 250 S. 850 E. in Lehi. Currently the firm operates with about 45 people from a fragmented headquarters in Pleasant Grove. “And of course we’re building our new headquarters with plans for growth and expansion in mind,” said Sorenson.

BlenderBottle is specifically designed as a shaker cup to facilitate the mixing of powdered fitness and health blends into liquid. Although the company does not release actual sales figures, Sorenson says the annual number of the various versions of the bottles sold is “in the millions.” Other products are in the development stages with launch dates set for later this year.

delts145
May 10, 2013, 4:15 PM
Tech firm to bring more than 1,000 jobs to Utah

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By Jasen Lee, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865579716/Tech-firm-to-bring-more-than-1000-jobs-to-Utah.html

...A Texas company is expanding its operations to Utah and bringing with it more than 1,000 jobs over the next two decades.

The Governor’s Office of Economic Development announced that SolarWinds Inc. will add 1,040 new jobs that are expected to total more than $1.4 billion in new state wages over the 20-year life of an agreement made with the state. Those positions will be at least 125 percent of Utah County’s average annual wage, including benefits...

...SolarWinds will be part of Utah’s IT industry cluster, which is one of six economic clusters. It is the largest industry cluster statewide and includes more than 48,000 companies. The company is currently considering three potential sites in northern Utah County for its Utah operations.

“We are very excited about the opportunity to establish our strategic Western location in Utah,” said Kevin Thompson, SolarWinds president and chief executive officer. “We plan to make Utah an important hub from which we plan to drive significant future growth.”
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delts145
May 19, 2013, 5:20 PM
Lehi - Development in progress

Daily Herald

Some notable projects approved for building in Lehi are Mill Pond Plaza and Bright Beginnings Child Care. The Mill Pond Plaza project consists of three office/warehouse buildings roughly totaling 64,000 square feet of floor area. The project is located at 401 S. 850 East just north of the new Best Vinyl building. This area has had multiple new projects within the last year for upscale office/warehouse projects including the new Blender Bottle building and Best Vinyl building which are both currently under construction. Bright Beginnings Child Care is a child care center project with about 7,000 square feet of floor area. This is a new building to be built on the corner of 300 North and 500 West streets. The architecture of the building is designed to look like a school house with a pitched roof and bell tower.

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jedikermit
May 19, 2013, 5:43 PM
Lehi - Development in progress

The architecture of the building is designed to look like a school house with a pitched roof and bell tower.

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...personally hoping for this, complete with a magnetic roof: http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5345348/il_fullxfull.101509133.jpg

...and maybe next they'll build a barn that says MOOO when you open the door! :tup:

#Childofthe70s

scrapernerd
May 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
It looks like Iasis is building a new hosptial in Lehi.. but the article says somthing about a 2nd medical center I wonder where that would be?

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/medical-facility-coming-to-lehi/article_c7571b6c-2ac4-5f44-a48e-11f63c623bb6.html

delts145
May 31, 2013, 5:45 PM
Orem considering pedestrian bridge over I-15


By Jasen Lee, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865580897/Orem-considering-pedestrian-bridge-over-I-15.html

OREM — A proposed pedestrian bridge over I-15 at Utah Valley University is now one step closer.

The Orem City Council voted this week to amend the city’s master transportation plan to include the potential development of the bridge that would connect the UVU campus on the east to the commuter rail station across the freeway to the west.

Assistant city manager Jamie Davidson said the move was a pre-emptive maneuver that will allow the city to be prepared to apply for federal funds if and when the bridge proposal moves forward in the future.

“This pedestrian bridge would not only make a connection between (FrontRunner) and the main UVU campus, but it would also make a connection to a west side campus that could be better developed with the addition of a pedestrian bridge,” he said...

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Bob The Builder
Jun 6, 2013, 9:46 PM
Here is an update on Xactware for your enjoyment.

http://i42.tinypic.com/334kms6.jpg

SLC Projects
Jun 6, 2013, 10:21 PM
Very nice. Looks like they have plenty of room to build more buildings in the future if needed.

delts145
Jun 7, 2013, 1:16 PM
Well, most anyone in the world who pays any attention to the latest headlines can't help but be somewhat informed about the existance of the NSA. So, at least we'll finally get a few update pics of the giant construction project, which has been so illusive.

Infact, As I'm posting this, FOX is splashing flyovers all over the cable news, with teasers of upcoming special reports on the new Utah SuperSpyCenter

Secret court says yes when NSA seeks authority to spy

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865581300/Secret-court-says-yes-when-NSA-seeks-authority-to-spy.html

National Security Agency buildings near Camp Williams, Thursday, June 6, 2013. Ravell Call, Deseret News
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SLC Projects
Jun 7, 2013, 5:07 PM
Careful what you post online, big brother is watching. :)

delts145
Jun 7, 2013, 5:25 PM
That NSA Center is even more expansive than I had thought it would be.

delts145
Jun 7, 2013, 5:33 PM
I can't remember if we ever even posted this news. So whatever, I'll post it, maybe again.

February Article - American Fork Hospital breaks ground on 84,000-square-foot expansion

http://intermountainhealthcare.org/communitysupport/giving/utah-valley-healthcare-foundation/we-support/PublishingImages/afh-expansion-banner.jpg
http://intermountainhealthcare.org

Barbara Christiansen, The Daily Herald

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/american-fork/american-fork-hospital-breaks-ground-on--square-foot-expansion/article_9b190062-11ff-5dc2-bdc0-3ac5918f92d6.html

...That expansion will include 84,000 square feet added to the south of the current building on 1100 East. There will be six new emergency room bays for a total of 21, and eight new operating rooms. Another service added will be integrated video monitoring. That will allow others to view surgery while it is happening. It may be used by individuals in training or other physicians who may be consulting.

On the south side of that expansion will be the multispecialty clinic, which will have 85,400 square feet and house Intermountain Medical Group physicians whose offices have been scattered in north Utah County. There also will be 12 clinics with services ranging from an InstaCare to pediatrics to orthopedics. The building will include 97 exam rooms, five laboratory draw areas, digital imaging suites and a full-service pharmacy.

Both buildings are expected to be completed by fall 2014....

Orlando
Jun 7, 2013, 10:03 PM
This is probable old news, but here it is in case in wasn't posted. This isn't the same building as the American Fork building is it?

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/af/aafff24d-02b5-5072-bc68-d2356b3afd9a/5131a699b7fe6.preview-620.jpg
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/medical-facility-coming-to-lehi/article_c7571b6c-2ac4-5f44-a48e-11f63c623bb6.html

LEHI -- IASIS Healthcare is investing in Utah County with a hospital complex planned for north Lehi.

Great Basin Engineering representative Coury Morris said his company hopes to break ground on the project in late March or early April.

"Just so you are aware, this will be a critical care facility and there will be a helipad. The drop off next to that helipad is adjacent to the ER entrance," Morris said. Lehi planning commissioners unanimously approved the health care company's concept plan on Thursday.

Wasatch_One
Jun 7, 2013, 10:11 PM
This is probable old news, but here it is in case in wasn't posted. This isn't the same building as the American Fork building is it?

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/af/aafff24d-02b5-5072-bc68-d2356b3afd9a/5131a699b7fe6.preview-620.jpg
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/medical-facility-coming-to-lehi/article_c7571b6c-2ac4-5f44-a48e-11f63c623bb6.html

Its a different hospital.

Orlando
Jun 7, 2013, 10:15 PM
Delts, thanks for posting the article on the NSA center. I've been wanting to see how that shaped up. It's nice that they had some consideration towards aesthetics.

delts145
Jun 15, 2013, 11:09 AM
Your welcome Orlando, and Thankyou for continuing to post the many great pics and articles from The Enterprise.

delts145
Jun 15, 2013, 11:23 AM
Ground broken on $54M classroom building at UVU

"It's beyond important," Holland said of UVU's new classroom building. "It was absolutely essential. It was imperative for the carrying out of our mission here."

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Architectural rendering of a new $54 million classroom building for Utah Valley University (Benjamin Wood)

By Benjamin Woods, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865581715/Ground-broken-on-54M-classroom-building-at-UVU.html

...The new building, designed to house 34 classrooms, a 1,000-seat auditorium, study areas and faculty offices, is scheduled for completion by December 2014 and will be located just north of the UVU library...

...Enrollment at UVU has been increasing for several years and has risen by more than 15 percent since the school gained university status in 2008, according to figures provided by UVU spokesman Mike Rigert...

... "It's beyond important," Holland said of UVU's new classroom building. "It was absolutely essential. It was imperative for the carrying out of our mission here."

Holland said most people assume UVU's growth is a result of its location in northern Utah County, which has experienced a boon in commercial and residential development. But he said the surge in students is more attributable to changes within the university than without.

"Our single biggest driver of growth right now are junior and senior students who are not transferring, who are staying to complete degrees" he said. "This is a sea change in what this institution has been able to accomplish for this valley and for this state."...

http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/1154940/1154940.jpg
Architectural rendering of a new $54 million classroom building for Utah Valley University (Benjamin Wood)

http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/graphic/1155042/1155042.jpg
http://www.deseretnews.com

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wrendog
Jun 21, 2013, 8:01 PM
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but I guess H&M is opening a store at the University Mall this fall. Just saw the billboard today.

Deek1978
Jun 26, 2013, 2:43 PM
Spanish Fork Update:

Not much has changed since I last posted about the happenings in SF, but a new Wells Fargo branch is being built on the South West Pad of the Costco lot. Not a lot of other stuff has happened. I keep hearing rumors, but until I see a sign up, or hear it from a councilman, I won't know what to believe. Maybe I should run for City Council. . . just to have inside knowledge.

delts145
Jun 26, 2013, 2:58 PM
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but I guess H&M is opening a store at the University Mall this fall. Just saw the billboard today.

What's happening with the former Nordstrom space? Has it been broken up for smaller stores, or is it still empty?

tygr
Jun 27, 2013, 4:15 PM
Spanish Fork Update:

Not much has changed since I last posted about the happenings in SF, but a new Wells Fargo branch is being built on the South West Pad of the Costco lot. Not a lot of other stuff has happened. I keep hearing rumors, but until I see a sign up, or hear it from a councilman, I won't know what to believe. Maybe I should run for City Council. . . just to have inside knowledge.

I too live in Spanish Fork and came across an interesting find—weird really. But it does play to some rumors about Walmart building in Spanish Fork.

Visit the Walmart Store Locator (http://www.walmart.com/cservice/ca_storefinder.gsp?povid=P1171-C1110.2784+1145.2780-L2) and type 84660 in the search field. The "1" result says "Greendale Walmart Store #4068" with a Greendale, WI address, but the pin is placed directly on the suspected future location of a Walmart.

Deek1978
Jun 27, 2013, 6:36 PM
Whoa. . . AWESOME!

Either Wal-Mart was majorly hacked, or somebody did that on purpose.

Reachforthesky
Jun 27, 2013, 7:53 PM
That's Awesome! 4 locations! H&M is very successful in Utah I knew it'd only be a matter of time before the Wasatch front was covered. :tup:

delts145
Jun 29, 2013, 10:07 PM
National dental supplier Henry Schein growing in Utah

Medical » New American Fork office space will house growing workforce, free dental clinic.

http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=5nJeX7V27dqF1J8XpALrdc$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYvtz_Bat4eEU1B1_lGSUwv6WCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg
Courtesy The new division headquarters for Henry Schein at North Point Business Park in American Fork is shown in an artist rendering.

By Vince Horiuchi | The Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/56527886-79/henry-schein-dental-american.html.csp

manufacturers and distributes medical supplies for dentists, doctors and veterinarians, is bursting at the seams at its American Fork location and will be moving into a bigger building.

Not only will it be the new home for its 400 Utah employees —whose numbers are expected to grow — but the company also hopes it can build a clinic there to provide free dental care for the needy.

Henry Schein, which is based in Melville, N.Y., marked the ground-breaking Friday for its new facility in the North Pointe Business Park, a block west of the company’s current digs.

The American Fork office is home to the Henry Schein division that manufactures and markets business and clinical software for dentists. The operation began as Dentrix until it was purchased in 1997 by Henry Schein, which has 15,500 employees worldwide and services more than 775,000 customers.

The new four-story building will cover 100,000 square feet and be the tallest in American Fork, said Brandon Fugal, executive vice president of Coldwell Banker Commercial.

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Construction is expected to be completed by April 2014, and the building will be able to accommodate up to 550 employees. Spokesman Mike Allsop said Henry Schein will be hiring over time to fill that space, and operations could expand to another new building in the business center that will be built some time next year.

"We’re acquiring companies and developing products at a pretty impressive rate, and it requires we hire more talent and prepare for that growth," Allsop said.

The company also is working with contractors to turn some of the new office space into the dental clinic that would work with nonprofit charity groups such as Share a Smile and the Utah Food and Care Coalition, both which provide health care for the needy. Henry Schein would provide products and supplies.

"We’re looking to partner to identify patients and dentists who would provide this service on a voluntary basis," Allsop said. "We are in the planning stages and have a lot more work to do to roll out a successful dental clinic in our office."

ALSO: I see where Fidelity Investments is also building it's Western Regional Heaquarters at this North Point business park. Also, the new hospital, and who knows what else. Seems like that area of American Fork/Lehi is becoming quite the hot location.

Fidelity Investments
http://jobs.fidelity.com/img/locations/americanfork.jpg

jedikermit
Jun 30, 2013, 12:02 PM
I'm happy for the ECONOMIC growth that northern Utah County is getting. Really, I am. But the office parks there are out-of-control hideous. I mean, they're new and shiny and all, but man. Unfortunate.

delts145
Jun 30, 2013, 1:31 PM
I thought the buildings themselves are actually quite nice, but true, my first thought was why couldn't this kind of development be more of a part of revitalizing old downtowns, like American Fork. I look at so many of these office parks, from the River Bottoms in Provo to North Point or Adobe, and of course I just wish that they were more a part of a dense urban core in places like Downtown Provo, Lehi, or especially Salt Lake.

This continues to be the norm in most every metro on the Continent. The plus is that Salt Lake City's CSA business expansions and relocations are growing faster than most metros. So, I hope the pressure continues to increase on the vertical rise of Downtown Salt Lake.

Right now though, we just have a lot of available open space within the metro, that is perfectly suited for the much more economically feasible set-up of a business park. Part of the reason we are seeing so many of these coporate expansions along the Wasatch Front is the $bottom line, and the bottom line is everything is this Obama economy. The Wasatch Front has very competitive costs, like land, utilities, taxes, employee productivity etc. These planned business parks are a major part of that cost effectiveness.

TonyAnderson
Jun 30, 2013, 3:54 PM
Also a shame the American Fork FrontRunner stop is nowhere near this business park. Perhaps they'll build a future station since the rail runs close to it.

jtrent77
Jun 30, 2013, 7:20 PM
Also a shame the American Fork FrontRunner stop is nowhere near this business park. Perhaps they'll build a future station since the rail runs close to it.

Those two stops would be too close to each other for a commuter rail, if there were that frequent of stops it would take forever to get anywhere on FrontRunner. A better situation would be to put in a BRT or light rail that connects the Meadows area (where the FrontRunner stop currently is) down through town to the North Pointe area. But right now I would argue that North Pointe doesn't have enough commuters to warrant much more than a bus, but in the future that would be my recommendation rather than adding an additional FrontRunner stop. To me FrontRunner should connect metro areas, not business parks.

Future Mayor
Jul 1, 2013, 11:17 PM
Those two stops would be too close to each other for a commuter rail, if there were that frequent of stops it would take forever to get anywhere on FrontRunner. A better situation would be to put in a BRT or light rail that connects the Meadows area (where the FrontRunner stop currently is) down through town to the North Pointe area. But right now I would argue that North Pointe doesn't have enough commuters to warrant much more than a bus, but in the future that would be my recommendation rather than adding an additional FrontRunner stop. To me FrontRunner should connect metro areas, not business parks.

Perfectly said, IMO


The only thing that is going to change the continued building of 3 story office parks in the burbs is if the real cost of building there is calculated. In all reality it's not cheaper to build there than a taller building in downtown, but it is set up so that it appears to be that way. One of the big additional costs beyond the cost of land and building is the cost on the environment due to no access to regional transit, resulting in the necessary use of a car to get to the office, resulting in more crowded interstates, increase in emissions and a decrease in air quality. It has been recently reported that the poor air quality that Utah continues to have is linked to an increase in autism.

This is the exact same reason I am against developing the prison site into yet another suburban office park, not connected to anything via transit. I still don't understand why cities aren't implementing TDR's. It allows property owners to collect the development money for their property, project agricultural or open space and provides for higher densities in chosen areas, like areas around Transit, or those in the "downtown" areas. :brickwall:

tygr
Jul 11, 2013, 10:54 PM
Woodbury Corporation has posted on their website (http://www.woodburycorp.com) in Upcoming Projects some very vague descriptions and drawings of a development (#3) in Spanish Fork (city is not listed on the site) called Canyon Creek Shopping Center.

They indicate that Costco is the main anchor to the site. They do say that the development will be 200+ acres and over 700,000 sq. ft. of retail. Hopefully the rough sketches are a good representation of what is to come. I pray it has some intimate areas (streams, outside dining, etc. as illustrated) and not simply asphalt fields of parking in front of your stereotypical strip mall—I fear the latter based on the plat layouts I've seen.

From that and some renderings I found in the minutes of one of Spanish Fork City's public meetings (sign ordinance variance request), it appears that all of North Park, land to the south east on the west side of US-6, and much of the vacant land behind—north, east, and south of—and including the Food 4 Less building is all part of the same overall project. The plat shows land allocated for a regional hospital as well—makes sense since IHC is listed as the current owners of much of the property.

It is the same development where Walmart and Home Depot (are) rumored to be coming to (Home Depot has owned their land since 2008).

No real signs of immediate movement have been seen just yet. I'm constantly reviewing public meeting notes, building permits, etc. for any progress. I'm really hoping for some major announcement and/or dirt work before mid-September.

Deek1978
Jul 12, 2013, 6:36 PM
Very informative, tygr. Thanks for the link. Its kind of hard to tell from the renderings what exactly will be involved, but the creek/ patio area would be awesome.

While driving out in the fields two weeks ago I noticed that they are lengthening the runway at the Spanish Fork/Springville Airport. They have the gravel all laid out and they need to start compacting and layering for the actual runway. They want to extend to 9,000 feet, but there's a farm road in the way. The new runway is graveled up to the farm road and continues on the other side. No news on when that road will be closed.

The next 5 years will be very fruitful for Spanish Fork. It will become the Southern Hub for the county. Any growth south of Provo is good for downtown Provo as well. My wife and I head to dt Provo all the time to eat and just to walk around.

tygr
Jul 12, 2013, 7:05 PM
Deek,

Spanish Fork has acquired and annexed the property/roads necessary for expansion so it should be finishing very soon.

Starting on page 19 of this PDF (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/pc/2013/pc_agenda_2013_07_10.pdf) you can see the basic plat layout of the development and their signage plans.

Of particular interest is page 26 and what could be expansion plans for the development to extend up to the north border of Spanish Fork (2700 N) and Springville and to the east up to HWY 51. The initial ~200 acres could end up being "just the beginning" of a much larger overall development.

Also, from what I understand, the new road shown crossing HWY 51 is the proposed Mapleton Parkway—one of two new east/west routes to help access to/from Mapleton. The other is at 2700 N (which will eventually become an interchange at I-15).

Deek1978
Jul 12, 2013, 7:38 PM
Wow, that Mapleton Parkway will run right next to the townhomes that I live in on Hwy 51. There's a field there that is currently being farmed. I'd always heard that the new medical center would be behind K-Mart, but the location is different in that file. Good to see. Also, if Wal-mart is built where I suspect it is from that layout, the back corners of Walmart and Kmart will touch. I imagine that Kmart can't be too thrilled about that.

tygr
Jul 12, 2013, 8:59 PM
Initially the medical center was going to be behind Kmart. When Woodbury and Intermountain Healthcare worked out deals, it appears there were zone changes to allow for a medical center as mentioned in this PDF (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/pc/2013/pc_minutes_2013_04_03.pdf).

A developer is seeking approvals (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/cc/2013/cc_agenda_2013_04_02.pdf#page=42) for a 191 lot subdivision on 44 acres north of the proposed Mapleton Parkway on both sides of HWY 51.

I agree. Walmart will become a death nail for Kmart. I'm guessing that is the overall plan of Woodbury and they might attempt to acquire the Kmart site and either demolish it or fill it with a tenant like Hobby Lobby or similar.

In all of these plans I'd like to see a Megaplex come to town for some first run movies, but still keep Spanish 8 for taking the kids to long-run movies.

(re: Airport Expansion (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/cc/2013/cc_agenda_2013_02_19.pdf#page=27))

Future Mayor
Jul 12, 2013, 9:29 PM
From looking at page 25 of the pdf, unfortunately it looks like a giant sea of asphalt with not a whole lot of green space, except for the portion that runs from the SE to the NW through the middle of the development. While I don't love it, at least they are placing some buildings at the road, so it will hide the asphalt sea just a little bit.

delts145
Jul 12, 2013, 11:09 PM
It looks like it's pretty much "The Meadows South"

Deek1978
Jul 15, 2013, 2:02 PM
While I do sympathize the fact there is a lot of parking, please remember that as of yet, there isn't a very good method of getting to Spanish Fork, other than car. While even the Meadows in A.F./ Lehi doesn't really have rail nearby either and suffers from a sizable parking area, Canyon Creek in Spanish Fork will be enticing people from Provo to Santaquin. There must be parking for them as other than UTA buses, there isn't a viable form of mass transit to the area. My only hope would be that a possible future Front Runner stop be placed nearby, should they ever extend the line.

One other thing, I sent a message to Longhorn Steakhouse to see if rumors that I've been hearing are true. . . here's the message that I received back; "It's too early for us to confirm or deny. We suggest that you stay tuned to our FAQ page. All of our upcoming restaurants are posted here: https://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/about/faq.asp

I thought that was pretty cool. . . not confirming anything, but also not saying "At the moment we have no plans"

delts145
Jul 15, 2013, 3:47 PM
Hey Deek, I will be the first to admit that I was a regular patron of The Meadows. It pretty much had just about everything I needed within convenient reach. I also think that The Meadows could easily be redeveloped in the future into a much more dense urban experience as the demand arises. I'm glad that Spanish Fork is getting a much needed shopping alternative, without having to travel into Provo/Orem.

The one complaint I have about American Fork is it's failure to focus more attention on it's inner core. There have been a few stabs by a few noble souls to reestablish the historic core, but nothing of real substance. There's so much potential with American Fork's historic Main.

As far as the near future, I'm hoping they'll finally be able to restore and reuse the old Harrington School. That's a real gem that has languished for decades now. The recent restoration of the neighboring, Historic City Hall was a very good sign.

Spanish Fork has a beautiful Old Main. I'd like to see it restored and built up further someday. Actually as a whole, I think Spanish Fork's Old Main is in much better shape than American Forks.

Future Mayor
Jul 15, 2013, 7:01 PM
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that there is no rail/transit service to the area and that parking lots are necessary. I think what I probably meant is that I'm sure the rental market in Spanish Fork is in great demand, just as it is along most of the Wasatch Front, so while they are building a shopping center with stores that will serve the needs of SF residence, why not go ahead and built some apartments in the mix. For instance build the buildings that face the street 2-4 stories tall, with residential and office space in there.

I understand that not everything can be served by transit, but everything doesn't have to be single use either.

Deek1978
Jul 15, 2013, 7:29 PM
I definitely agree that they should add apartments to the mix. However, I'm more excited about my property values increasing. Or at least, the prospect of my property increasing. My wife and I are hoping to be able to move within 5 years. . . it'll be nice to get more than we paid for the house.

Here's to hoping!

delts145
Jul 20, 2013, 3:51 PM
Springville City Center

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Orlando
Jul 20, 2013, 9:03 PM
:slob:why oh why do we have to recreate Italian medieval architecture in 2013 in smallville, USA?!! It's idiotic and so regressive. We have no context for that style anywhere remotely close to it, and why does an Italian tower and style evoke civic justice??!! Feudal lords ruled the day, and Italian nobility and the church had the money and power to evoke strength through architecture. I cringe anytime old forms of architecture like this recreated and misappropriated. Albeit, the interior is very handsome!

Wasatch_One
Jul 20, 2013, 11:20 PM
:slob:why oh why do we have to recreate Italian medieval architecture in 2013 in smallville, USA?!! It's idiotic and so regressive. We have no context for that style anywhere remotely close to it, and why does an Italian tower and style evoke civic justice??!! Feudal lords ruled the day, and Italian nobility and the church had the money and power to evoke strength through architecture. I cringe anytime old forms of architecture like this recreated and misappropriated. Albeit, the interior is very handsome!

Yeah, it is idiotic and so regressive. We definitely have no context for this style anywhere in Utah remotely close to the Italianate/Romanesque styling Springville was looking to recreate.... wait, wait, actually i think we may... oh yes, we do ;)

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/salt-lake-city-county-building-kristin-elmquist.jpg

If you're familiar with architecture in Utah (and most of the US in the mid to late 1800's) this style was very popular and I like that Springville looked to a more classic architectural style for its smallville USA city offices. Obviously not near as ornate as the Richardson Romanesque of the City County bldg, however, its will age better than much of the uninspired garbage that many cities developed over the past few decades.

A few other examples of this architectural styling in Utah:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Maeser_Elementary_School.jpg/800px-Maeser_Elementary_School.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Oquirrh_School.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Peteetneet_School.jpg/800px-Peteetneet_School.jpg

Orlando
Jul 21, 2013, 3:18 AM
Nice try Wasatch One. Still terrible examples, because of several reasons:
1). The number one reason that I will always hammer home, is that it is regressive to revert to old forms and styles of architectureAll of those were built pre-modern times. We are in the 21st century!!!!!!!!! Why do we need to revert to architectural styles of the past? They had different meanings and functions and structural load bearing issues that they used back then. To design something of that type if architecture is fake and false. To design and build something like that is cowardice and ignorant nostalgia. It show a lack of confidence in today and the future. It shows that their is fear of progressiveness.
2) your examples are all built pre-modern times when stone load bearing structures were the norm and the style was a cluttered mix of different classical styles. There may be one semi- Italian classical architectural example in the mix.
3) springville has none such classical buildings nearby to have a context to draw from.

Orlando
Jul 21, 2013, 3:28 AM
Oops

Future Mayor
Jul 21, 2013, 5:34 PM
3) springville has none such classical buildings nearby to have a context to draw from.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure does look like the old Springville High School has that context that city hall could have drawn from.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ru2M1X7-UdE/TBfKMAPV5qI/AAAAAAAAAIM/ancVRlCvVk4/s320/Springville+Art+Museum.jpg

Orlando
Jul 21, 2013, 7:03 PM
That's actually a good example. I stand corrected in regards to my statement about there being no context in Springville to draw from. My last post was more of a reactionary post, and I knew that my hasty statement might come back against me. My bad.

Regardless, I still stand by my #1 reason to never do fake historic achitecture. I know many of you do not like or understand why I call it fake. So, I will recopy my previous explanation here:

1). The number one reason that I will always hammer home, is that it is regressive to revert to old forms and styles of architectureAll of those were built pre-modern times. We are in the 21st century!!!!!!!!! Why do we need to revert to architectural styles of the past? They had different meanings and functions and structural load bearing issues that they used back then. To design something of that type of architecture is fake and false. To design and build something like that is cowardice and ignorant nostalgia. It show a lack of confidence in today and the future. It shows that their is fear of progressiveness.
2) your examples are all built pre-modern times when stone load bearing structures were the norm and the style was a cluttered mix of different classical styles

DMTower
Jul 21, 2013, 7:25 PM
Orlando, why is it so wrong to pay homage to classical architectural styles? Is there an expiration date on them? If so, who decided? I'm a designer by trade, and nowhere in my discipline is there a rule that we can't draw from history when creating new designs. Why is architectural design different? Sure, there are plenty of great modern styles that we desperately need here in Utah... but why can't we have both? It sounds like you had a professor with some very strong biases on this topic.

Stenar
Jul 21, 2013, 8:41 PM
I LOVE Modern architecture, but I don't need to see it everywhere. In fact, I think I would hate to see only Modern/Post-Modern architecture everywhere. We need the warmth of stone, arches, etc. every once in a while.

Throughout history, we have always reverted to historic styles.

I like a good historic recreation. If done well, they don't look fake, even though you think all historic styles are fake today.

I LOVE the new Holladay fire station, for example.


That's actually a good example. I stand corrected in regards to my statement about there being no context in Springville to draw from. My last post was more of a reactionary post, and I knew that hasty statement might come back against me.

Regardless, I still stand by my #1 reason to never do fake historic. Architecture. I know many if you do not like or understand why I call it fake. So, I will recopy my previous explanation here:

1). The number one reason that I will always hammer home, is that it is regressive to revert to old forms and styles of architectureAll of those were built pre-modern times. We are in the 21st century!!!!!!!!! Why do we need to revert to architectural styles of the past? They had different meanings and functions and structural load bearing issues that they used back then. To design something of that type if architecture is fake and false. To design and build something like that is cowardice and ignorant nostalgia. It show a lack of confidence in today and the future. It shows that their is fear of progressiveness.
2) your examples are all built pre-modern times when stone load bearing structures were the norm and the style was a cluttered mix of different classical styles

Bob The Builder
Jul 21, 2013, 11:37 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/28jdzt1.jpg


http://i44.tinypic.com/s4xlqp.jpg

Its coming along.......
:)

Wasatch_One
Jul 22, 2013, 7:35 PM
Nice try Wasatch One. Still terrible examples, because of several reasons:


Nice try? :rolleyes:

I question how much you really know about architectural style in general based on your commentary.

Most of the remarkable historic structures we have here in the United States are revivalist in nature as it is, based on thousands of years of Roman/Italian, Greek, French, Spanish & English influence.

We, as a country are very new in terms of world timelines. Most of our heritage is borrowed from the millions of immigrants who traveled here and brought along a piece of their former homes. Architecture is cyclical with many revivalism periods. Yes, we do have contemporary and modern cycles as well, but to disregard thousands of years of history as faux is fairly amateur in one's understanding.

Like DMTower and Stenar, I appreciate a great modern structure (like SL's new public safety bldg or the SL library, though even it combines contemporary w/ classic features) ...but in my opinion, varied styling is always best. A well done "recreation" will age well and will probably be admired 50+ years down the line as people have this same ongoing debate we have delved into today.

tygr
Jul 22, 2013, 7:58 PM
Good news or bad news—you decide.

I met with a manager of a Utah County Walmart store this weekend and asked about the Spanish Fork store (I'll come back to that one).

This person indicated that Walmart has immediate plans to build two Neighborhood Markets in Provo (Center St. west of I-15) and American Fork (location unknown) and three of their new Walmart on Campus store concepts adjacent to BYU, U of U, and Weber.

In regards to Spanish Fork, it was revealed the Springville store was built to do ~30% less business than it is currently doing. They said it would cost about the same to expand the current store than it would cost to build another store nearby.

It was also said that there is a hiccup in building the Spanish Fork store because of water table issues. The Costco site had similar problems. (If that's the case, I'm guessing it will be a challenge to build out all of Canyon Creek for the same reason.)

SLC Projects
Jul 22, 2013, 8:46 PM
Having Walmarts popping up everywhere is never a good thing. S.F. Is better off with out it.

delts145
Jul 24, 2013, 12:33 PM
Cool find Future Mayor. I can see where that old high school was at one type a very handsome structure. I'm assuming that this particular picture shows the unfortunate filling in of former windows and probably other tacky remodels.

Infact, if executed correctly that old model would serve as a beautiful design for a new School in the Springville area.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure does look like the old Springville High School has that context that city hall could have drawn from.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ru2M1X7-UdE/TBfKMAPV5qI/AAAAAAAAAIM/ancVRlCvVk4/s320/Springville+Art+Museum.jpg

Orlando
Jul 24, 2013, 6:09 PM
Nice try? :rolleyes:

I question how much you really know about architectural style in general based on your commentary.

Most of the remarkable historic structures we have here in the United States are revivalist in nature as it is, based on thousands of years of Roman/Italian, Greek, French, Spanish & English influence.

We, as a country are very new in terms of world timelines. Most of our heritage is borrowed from the millions of immigrants who traveled here and brought along a piece of their former homes. Architecture is cyclical with many revivalism periods. Yes, we do have contemporary and modern cycles as well, but to disregard thousands of years of history as faux is fairly amateur in one's understanding.

Like DMTower and Stenar, I appreciate a great modern structure (like SL's new public safety bldg or the SL library, though even it combines contemporary w/ classic features) ...but in my opinion, varied styling is always best. A well done "recreation" will age well and will probably be admired 50+ years down the line as people have this same ongoing debate we have delved into today.

Okay, I finally have some time to respond to this. The reason I said that those were bad examples, is because none of those examples were built in modern times. In other words, they were all built back when load-bearing masonry was still the leading technology. Steel and concrete frame structures were not around just yet. Thus, my reasoning for saying that there were definite structural and programmatic reasons why those building were built they were built. Modern functionalism and aesthetics of lightweight cladding and glass were not yet discovered. And, besides, those buildings were typically a hodgepodge of classical masonry styles. And, maybe only one of those was more like Italian medieval architecture, which is what the new civic center was trying to mimic.

To respond to your reasoning about architectural recycling, here is my retort. Classical styles were borrowed and reborrowed many many times. But, now that we have the technology and very different modern functions and programs, that type of structure no longer fits these modern times. They also meant different things back then. Too often Americans look back with nostalgia of classical architecture, but without understanding the context, meanings, functions, and technological limitations that they were meant for back then. They then somewhat ignorantly try to recreate those past styles to modern programming, function, and technology. Most of the time, they do it cheaply and wrongly. They do it with wrong proportions, wrong context, etc. The Draper High School is a perfect example of a misappropriation of classical forms. Plus, there is no nearby examples of colonial architecture like that, except for maybe an old LDS chapel which borrowed from New England protestant churches. If there was a more traditional architectural form to pull from in pre-modern times commonly found in Draper, it would be a barn or something like that.

Regarding classical styles being resurrected and borrowing, the renaissance was about returning to more rational and proportional forms of Roman classical architecture. Vitruvius, a Roman military man, recorded the classical styles and architecture, and his writings were resurrected and used as inspiration during the Renaissance. After that, architects began playing around with different ways to reuse these architectural forms, such as arches, cornices, entablatures, keys, bases, roman columns, and pilasters, and decorative moldings over windows, pitched roofs, towers, domes, and cupolas. But, finally new technology were developed to meet the demands of an industrial/post-industrial/modern era. Load bearing masonry was not needed. Brave architects explored new rational forms of building cladding and aesthetics. We don't need to retreat to these old forms that were used for centuries and centuries. It was a different spirit of the times, and they didn;t know any better. but, now we do.

My biggest problem with trying to recreate past historical forms is that there is barely any context to justify a return to do that here, and it is typically done incorrectly, ie. bad proportions, cheap detailing, etc.

Stenar
Jul 24, 2013, 6:39 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ru2M1X7-UdE/TBfKMAPV5qI/AAAAAAAAAIM/ancVRlCvVk4/s320/Springville+Art+Museum.jpg

By the way, this building is the Springville Art Museum, not the old high school.

This blog shows the old high school and the museum, still in use as its original purpose.

Source: http://utahspresenthistory.blogspot.com/2011/03/springville-high-school-and-art-museum.html

slc801
Jul 24, 2013, 11:32 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ru2M1X7-UdE/TBfKMAPV5qI/AAAAAAAAAIM/ancVRlCvVk4/s320/Springville+Art+Museum.jpg

By the way, this building is the Springville Art Museum, not the old high school.

This blog shows the old high school and the museum, still in use as its original purpose.

Source: http://utahspresenthistory.blogspot.com/2011/03/springville-high-school-and-art-museum.html

Well you're both kind of right. It is the old art museum, but it was built as part of the high school. I'm not sure of the exact set up between the two entities, but the school owned it and it is owned by the Nebo School District today. It is the only part of the old high school that still stands, besides the seminary across the street.

John Martin
Jul 25, 2013, 2:24 AM
My biggest problem with trying to recreate past historical forms is that there is barely any context to justify a return to do that here, and it is typically done incorrectly, ie. bad proportions, cheap detailing, etc.

Why should buildings have to match an existing context? I'm just trying to understand your logic. Obviously if there is a well-established architectural context, i.e. characteristics that easily define an area, then it would make sense not to disrupt that with something out of harmony. Yalecrest is a good example of a community where context is precious. But in a community that is new and growing, what is the point of drawing from context? If every building had to have a precedent, nothing would ever be built. Nothing new or original would ever be created. Everything that is now prized and precious was once novel and out of place.

I don't mean to rehash what others have said; they make very good points. A community like Draper shouldn't be enslaved by its past as a 'cow town.' It has the opportunity to define itself, because it is young and growing, by whatever style it wants. Every civilization is created despite context. Its styles can only possibly be new or borrowed. Nothing truly belongs. What comes and what goes is all simply a matter of preference, and you seem to be ignoring the fact that these buildings reflect peoples' taste. You may find them to be in poor taste, but that doesn't make the architecture "bad" or "wrong." You may prefer classical forms in their respective contexts, but these are new creations; I think it would make more sense to argue why you think given classical characteristics would improve a structure's appearance (such as Stenar has done), rather than simply stating that they are ugly because they are unconvincing. If a musician sped up the tempo in a new rendition of a classic piece, it would no doubt be unpleasant to many. But does that make he/she any less of an artist simply because people don't like their (re)creation?

delts145
Jul 25, 2013, 5:24 AM
Circa 1890's - Tooele, Utah
http://content.lib.utah.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=USHS_Shipler&CISOPTR=2238&action=2&DMSCALE=85&DMWIDTH=512&DMHEIGHT=480&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0

2013 - Springville, Utah
http://www.crsa-us.com/images/projects/fullsize/springville_city_center__exterior_i13107648691310764869.jpg

delts145
Jul 26, 2013, 12:10 AM
Utah County No. 1 for economic vitality

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/utah-county-no-for-economic-vitality/article_2f7a0980-3009-5c92-b0ef-c48b05e2fa56.html

Genelle Pugmire - Daily Herald

...According to Provo's economic development director Dixon Holmes, "This isn't your mama's Provo or Utah County any more."

On Wednesday, G. Scott Thomas of the Philadelphia Business Journal reported that On Numbers Economic Index ranked the Provo/Orem metro area, which includes most of Utah County, as No. 1 in the nation for economic vitality. The index measures the monthly economic vitality of 102 major markets. The area has been No. 2 for four months...

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Deek1978
Jul 26, 2013, 10:24 PM
Tygr,

Spanish Fork foot the bill for Costco's lot improvements because of the ground. Spanish Fork also incentivized Costco by offering them their first 18 months of Utilities for Free, as well as a 2-3 year break on Property taxes. I'm not exactly sure of all the details, but I'm wondering if something like this could happen for Wal-mart as well? If so, that makes building a new Wal-mart a more attractive solution. . . I'm mostly thinking out loud. . . but I would doubt that the GM of Wal-mart in Springville will know too much about incentives tossed about to get a store in Spanish Fork. For the record, I think a Super Target would be a much better get for Spanish Fork

tygr
Jul 27, 2013, 4:15 PM
Tygr,

Spanish Fork foot the bill for Costco's lot improvements because of the ground. Spanish Fork also incentivized Costco by offering them their first 18 months of Utilities for Free, as well as a 2-3 year break on Property taxes. I'm not exactly sure of all the details, but I'm wondering if something like this could happen for Wal-mart as well? If so, that makes building a new Wal-mart a more attractive solution. . . I'm mostly thinking out loud. . . but I would doubt that the GM of Wal-mart in Springville will know too much about incentives tossed about to get a store in Spanish Fork. For the record, I think a Super Target would be a much better get for Spanish Fork

I haven't heard anything about the city incentivizing Walmart yet. I do think that some of the same ground preparation (as was needed for Costco) will be needed for much of the land to the east (behind Food 4 Less, Kmart). It is yet to be seen who might foot the bill (hopefully the developer—and not the city).

Target was in the original plans back in 2007 when it all got started. Target had even agreed to be part of the development... until the Provo "East Bay" project was announced that would require a partial realignment of the golf course and right off the NB off-ramp. Target, Best Buy, and I believe PetSmart were announced as tenants. But, you can see how well progressed that project has moved along.

Had Target remained true to their commitment, it is possible we would have Target instead of Costco. I would be fine if Walmart backs out and Target jumps back in due to no progress on the "East Bay" project. I believe it's Spanish Fork's advantage right now.

In Nov. 2007 Chili's had approval from the Development Review Committee (p. 3 (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/drc/2007/drc_minutes_2007_11_14.pdf#3)) to build a location right where the Wells Fargo is being built by Costco. Unfortunately the economy collapsed and nothing came of it. Hopefully they consider looking at the area again.

The Planning Commission and City Council are reviewing (http://www.spanishfork.org/meetings/docs/pc/2013/pc_agendas_2013_07_31.pdf) Canyon Creek's signage plan on Tuesday.

Orlando
Aug 12, 2013, 10:18 PM
Adobe's new Utah campus is showcased in Architectural Record, the most popular architecture magazine: http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio.asp?bts=OB

Just north of Lehi, Utah, busy Interstate 15 winds like a river past a new campus for the technology giant Adobe. Situated between the highway and the steep Wasatch Mountains, with typical suburban sprawl and billboards just across the highway, the 38-acre site is in motorists' full view. With its strong form and contemporary material palette, this first phase of the campus, by the San Francisco–based design firms WRNS Studio (the core-and-shell architect) and Rapt Studio (which designed the interiors), is a bold and visible symbol for the software company. Silicon Valley–based Adobe chose Lehi for its newest facility because of its proximity to outdoor recreation and to numerous other technology companies. While employees can enjoy the mountains and nearby Utah Lake, Salt Lake City is just a 25-minute drive north on I-15.

Despite its banality, the highway is “part of the topology of the place,” says Bryan Shiles, a principal at WRNS. It is “framed and captured as part of a larger painterly notion of landscape.” This is clear in the parti sketch for the Adobe Utah Campus, which includes three long lines drawn on the site so as to embrace the valley and mimic the adjacent Wasatch Range. Those lines developed into three four-story bar-shaped buildings, each bent slightly to follow the shifting topography and fit into the rough terrain. The first completed phase of the campus comprises a 200,000-square-foot office block and a connected 80,000-square-foot amenities building. The structures hug the ground in places and in others cantilever over it, with chamfered vertical metal fins rhythmically punctuating the steel-and-glass shell above the exposed concrete base


http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/images/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio-2.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/images/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio-3.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/images/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio-4.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/images/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio-5.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_Types_Study/Office_Buildings/2013/images/1308-Adobe-Systems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio-9.jpg

ToysNoiz
Aug 13, 2013, 1:01 AM
I love seeing the Adobe Center every time I drive into Utah County. It's good to have it get some recognition.

Wasatch_One
Aug 13, 2013, 7:23 PM
I love seeing the Adobe Center every time I drive into Utah County. It's good to have it get some recognition.

...look for some Adobe/Utah news potentially after their next earnings call :cheers:

jedikermit
Aug 13, 2013, 7:55 PM
Interesting article--nice to see for a Utah building. (I won't even whine about how I Wish They Had Built Something In Downtown SLC)

Deek1978
Aug 20, 2013, 2:38 PM
Happy first day of School for the Alpine School District! The largest school district in the state has plans of increasing in size. Over the next 10 years there are plans to build up to 8 additional schools in the district. As I get information on where I will post it here. Education is extremely important, not just to businesses in the area, but also to families.

Wasatch_One
Aug 20, 2013, 3:47 PM
Happy first day of School for the Alpine School District! The largest school district in the state has plans of increasing in size. Over the next 10 years there are plans to build up to 8 additional schools in the district. As I get information on where I will post it here. Education is extremely important, not just to businesses in the area, but also to families.

Here is a link to the conceptual plan for the new north Lehi High School (will probably be named Traverse Mountain or something to the effect). It will be located directly across the street (south) from the Ivory Ridge tennis club complex

http://alpineschools.org/bond-updates/new-high-school-lehi-update

Wasatch_One
Aug 22, 2013, 7:07 AM
Alpine commissioners say no to townhouse proposal

ALPINE -- Some landowners don't want apartments in the city of Alpine, whether in the form of townhomes or condos. They got what they wanted.

Those who attended the Aug. 20 commission meeting gave a resounding "no" to the city's planning commissioners about developer Will Jones' proposed townhome overlay in Alpine's business district.

The commission's vote to give a recommendation to the city council was tied, and the townhome proposal died for lack of a majority.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/alpine/alpine-commissioners-say-no-to-townhouse-proposal/article_de5d11d0-6c4a-5e11-a395-f528eebf4d00.html

Bob The Builder
Aug 26, 2013, 9:19 PM
Xactware Update In Lehi:

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab182/rjs123181/XW12_zps0fb56b81.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/rjs123181/media/XW12_zps0fb56b81.jpg.html)


http://http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab182/rjs123181/XW11_zps8d8a3f3e.jpg

delts145
Sep 3, 2013, 5:18 PM
Thanks Bob for keeping us updated on the Xactware Project. It's very exciting for me to see the Silicon Slopes coming to fruition, having grown up in that area. I see where across I-15 the new Museum is moving right along.

Museum of Natural Curiosity at Thanksgiving Point

Images @http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/photos-commission-approves-county-donation-to-thanksgiving-point/collection_68c07ab8-0a64-11e3-96b2-0019bb2963f4.html#9
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/32/1328dec0-0a63-11e3-943f-0019bb2963f4/5214bc5010d86.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/48/0481f1d6-0a63-11e3-905b-0019bb2963f4/5214bc376f129.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/84/0840e426-0a63-11e3-b3b3-0019bb2963f4/5214bc3dbb62d.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/be/0bec20d6-0a63-11e3-8c36-0019bb2963f4/5214bc43e1145.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/6a/16af7f72-0a63-11e3-a5ae-0019bb2963f4/5214bc5611e4d.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/bc/dbcae374-0a62-11e3-bb8d-0019bb2963f4/5214bbf34c0c7.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/03/e03270da-0a62-11e3-b0a0-0019bb2963f4/5214bbfa875b1.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/42/e42008f6-0a62-11e3-82e4-0019bb2963f4/5214bc013d29e.preview-620.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/fb/ffbfd776-0a62-11e3-be25-0019bb2963f4/5214bc2f8fc3e.preview-620.jpg

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delts145
Sep 3, 2013, 5:29 PM
Alpine commissioners say no to townhouse proposal

ALPINE -- Some landowners don't want apartments in the city of Alpine, whether in the form of townhomes or condos. They got what they wanted.

Those who attended the Aug. 20 commission meeting gave a resounding "no" to the city's planning commissioners about developer Will Jones' proposed townhome overlay in Alpine's business district.

The commission's vote to give a recommendation to the city council was tied, and the townhome proposal died for lack of a majority.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/alpine/alpine-commissioners-say-no-to-townhouse-proposal/article_de5d11d0-6c4a-5e11-a395-f528eebf4d00.html


I have to think that Alpine just needs the right proposal in the right location of town.(That could include authentically recreated Victorian Townhomes). No city in the greater metro has more potential to house a charming, walkable village center than Alpine. However, it has to be the right, historically accurate, high quality project. It's high time a group came up with the right proposal.

Future Mayor
Sep 3, 2013, 9:05 PM
The residents of Alpine are the most NIMBY people I've ever heard of. They really don't want anything other than the status quo to come to town and they don't want any more commercial either. They are completely satisfied with the amount of commercial they have and are apparently fine traveling to Highland to shop.

That is the exact reason I turned down the planning job in Alpine last year. The job was partially planning and partially code enforcement, but considering that the city council, mayor and most residents where completely content with how things are and wanted nothing to change, I didn't see a whole lot of planning happening and I really didn't want to spend the majority of my days writing people letters telling them their weeds were to tall of there manual was flowing into the neighbors yard.

delts145
Sep 7, 2013, 4:22 PM
Future Mayor, I've purposly waited several days in order to make sure my response to your above post would be dialed back somewhat. IMO, the strokes you are making are way too broad.

delts145
Sep 7, 2013, 4:29 PM
Developers begin massive Geneva redevelopment in Utah County

Relevant:
http://genevautah.com/images/mainPhoto-Contact.jpg
www.genevautah.com

Development » The planned community to have homes, stores, offices, a university campus and a multiscreen movie house.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/56834765-79/anderson-geneva-development-didn.html.csp

By Paul Beebee - The Salt Lake Tribune

Vineyard • Geneva Steel may be history, but the storied mill’s name will live on in a massive planned community of homes, offices, and retail, office, university and industrial space that developers say they will build on the east shore of Utah Lake over the next decade.

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On Friday, Anderson Development officially kicked the project into gear. To be called @Geneva, the community eventually will be home to 26,000 residents when it’s fully built, probably in 2025, said Gerald Anderson, one of the owners of Sandy-based Anderson Development...

Future Mayor
Sep 8, 2013, 9:54 PM
Future Mayor, I've purposly waited several days in order to make sure my response to your above post would be dialed back somewhat. IMO, the strokes you are making are way too broad.

How exactly are they to broad? I specifically asked the city manager about incorporating more commercial areas (even small ones), areas with higher density residential, and maybe a little mixed use. I was told, very directly, that it has been brought up several times in the past and City Council Members and the majority of residents shot down those ideas immediately.

Wasatch_One
Sep 9, 2013, 3:02 PM
How exactly are they to broad? I specifically asked the city manager about incorporating more commercial areas (even small ones), areas with higher density residential, and maybe a little mixed use. I was told, very directly, that it has been brought up several times in the past and City Council Members and the majority of residents shot down those ideas immediately.

...Alpine resident here, non-NIMBY, not happy with the amount of commercial nor opposed to better commercial organization/downtown structure. That's what he meant by broad strokes. :cheers:

delts145
Sep 9, 2013, 6:09 PM
Thanks Wasatch, I appreciate the clarification from a fellow Alpiner...:tup:

Future Mayor
Sep 9, 2013, 7:02 PM
...Alpine resident here, non-NIMBY, not happy with the amount of commercial nor opposed to better commercial organization/downtown structure. That's what he meant by broad strokes. :cheers:

You need to make your voice heard more down there in Alpine, which you may already do. They could use some non-NIMBY citizens to express their concerns about it being an unsustainable community, and to educate the NIMBY residents that commercial development and more density isn't a bad thing and those things won't ghettofye the city.

Stenar
Sep 9, 2013, 9:18 PM
You need to make your voice heard more down there in Alpine, which you may already do. They could use some non-NIMBY citizens to express their concerns about it being an unsustainable community, and to educate the NIMBY residents that commercial development and more density isn't a bad thing and those things won't ghettofye the city.


My mother-in-law remarried to a guy from Alpine and she did complain how far it is just to go to a grocery store. Seems like they could develop a nice looking commercial area that isn't so far away.

jtrent77
Sep 14, 2013, 3:15 AM
Shopping nirvana: Outlets at Traverse Mountain to double in size (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/shopping-nirvana-outlets-at-traverse-mountain-to-double-in-size/article_e03bf9e4-01d6-5b1d-a91b-2ab4e7db1cea.html)
Bucking the global economic malaise, a massive new retail giant in north Utah County has announced a huge expansion to keep up with demand.

The Outlets at Traverse Mountain in Lehi will expand in two phases, one immediate and one next year. The expansion will bring between 150 and 200 part-time and full-time jobs, said Teri Sunderland, general manager for the outlets.

Constructing a second phase was always in the plans, but the speed at which the demand materialized surprised even management.

Stenar
Sep 14, 2013, 11:32 PM
...

Constructing a second phase was always in the plans, but the speed at which the demand materialized surprised even management.


That's because they underestimated Utah, like almost every other business that comes here.

Reachforthesky
Sep 15, 2013, 7:47 AM
H&M continues expanding in Utah!


Utah County to get 2 H&M Locations! giving the Wasatch Front a total of 5 stores! :tup:


1. OREM, University Mall, Opening Fall 2013

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/h-m-is-newest-store-at-orem-mall/article_73f600e4-23e9-5e31-840c-b00c53684def.html



2. LEHI, Outlets at Traverse Mountain, Opening Spring 2014


http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/h-m-coming-to-lehi/article_cae3402f-1c2f-57bf-8c4f-ac829f966ba3.html





"A second phase of construction at the new mall beginning this fall will double the size of the mall, making room for, among other stores, "one of the world's largest fashion retailers, H&M, set to open in a new 23,000 square foot space in spring 2014," said Outlet officials."

"H&M will have a large two-story store that will take up the majority of the newly constructed space."

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/shopping-nirvana-outlets-at-traverse-mountain-to-double-in-size/article_e03bf9e4-01d6-5b1d-a91b-2ab4e7db1cea.html

jedikermit
Sep 15, 2013, 1:43 PM
H&M continues expanding in Utah!


Utah County to get 2 H&M Locations! giving the Wasatch Front a total of 5 stores! :tup:


1. OREM, University Mall, Opening Fall 2013

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/h-m-is-newest-store-at-orem-mall/article_73f600e4-23e9-5e31-840c-b00c53684def.html



2. LEHI, Outlets at Traverse Mountain, Opening Spring 2014


http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/h-m-coming-to-lehi/article_cae3402f-1c2f-57bf-8c4f-ac829f966ba3.html





"A second phase of construction at the new mall beginning this fall will double the size of the mall, making room for, among other stores, "one of the world's largest fashion retailers, H&M, set to open in a new 23,000 square foot space in spring 2014," said Outlet officials."

"H&M will have a large two-story store that will take up the majority of the newly constructed space."

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lehi/shopping-nirvana-outlets-at-traverse-mountain-to-double-in-size/article_e03bf9e4-01d6-5b1d-a91b-2ab4e7db1cea.html

NICE!! Yet another example of a large retailer who didn't have a presence in Utah testing the waters, and realizing that there's more here than they expected. Can only hope that some others like Trader Joe's and thelegostore follow suit. :tup:

Stenar
Sep 15, 2013, 8:44 PM
H&M continues expanding in Utah!



H&M seems to be one of the few retailers who gets it. Utah isn't as small as you think it is, people! ;)

SLC Projects
Sep 15, 2013, 11:42 PM
H&M seems to be one of the few retailers who gets it. Utah isn't as small as you think it is, people! ;)

That I can agree with. I hate that people/outsiders still view us as such.

TonyAnderson
Sep 19, 2013, 5:49 PM
Business and community leaders recently announced 10 major changes coming to Utah Valley:

1. University Mall expansion

University Mall and the immediate surrounding area will experience a $100 million master planned expansion.

“This will be the Utah County equivalent of City Creek,” said Coldwell Banker Commercial’s Brandon Fugal.

As part of the soon-to-be major construction project, there will be multiple high-rise Class A office buildings, residential units and additional retail space.

2. Southern Utah County mining

A major mining operation is coming to sourthern Utah County “west of Utah Lake,” according to Utah County Commissioner Gary Anderson.

3. Construction along I-15

Fugal also mentioned a five-story building is in the works along I-15 in Lehi. A company has already pre-leased an entire floor of the building, he said.

4. Utah Valley University growth

Utah Valley University has purchased 100 acres of land west of I-15 from Anderson Geneva Development Inc. and wants to “continue (their) aggressive buildout of the master plan,” according to UVU President Matt Holland.

UVU paid $10 million for the 100 acres.

In the next few weeks, UVU is planning a ribbon cutting on the intramural fields to get their expansion underway.

5. Additional flights at Provo Airport

Allegiant Air, which currently has flights from Provo to Oakland and Provo to Mesa, will be adding a Provo to Los Angeles flight next week. Provo Mayor John Curtis is optimistic for the continued growth out of the Provo Airport.

6. Connecting road on Murdock Canal Trail

A connector road will be built along the Murdock Canal Trail from Cedar Hills’ North Utah County Boulevard to Highlands’ Alpine Highway.

While this $4 million project might seem like any other on the long list of UDOT’s 2014 to 2017 docket, this road will connect Highland residents to Cedar Hills’ Walmart and Lone Peak High School, as well as Cedar Hills residents to Mountain Ridge Junior High and other shopping.

7. Pleasant Grove Embassy Suites Hotel

Five years ago a nine-story, 300-suite Embassy Suites Hotel and Convention Center was announced for construction near the newly-constructed I-15 exchange in Pleasant Grove. Almost no progress has been made at the site since that time.

“To me, it’s still a matter of when, not if,” Fugal said. “Within the next 12 to 24 months, the project should be going again.”

8. Provo City Center Temple

Provo City Center Temple will be dedicated sometime in 2015 according to Orem Mayor Jim Evans.

9. Nordstrom’s replacement

A tenant for the former Nordstrom location at University Mall is very nearly a done deal, according to Fugal. “This is a deal that should have been done six months ago. It frustrates me,” Fugal said.


10. Midtown Village in Orem

Midtown Village, a major multi-family and retail center located near 400 South and State Street in Orem, will soon have the financial backing to be finished, according to Fugal.

http://utahvalley360.com/2013/09/19/10-major-changes-coming-to-utah-valley/

Future Mayor
Sep 19, 2013, 7:04 PM
I love how they think that simply adding some office buildings and a residential component will instantly make University Mall, Utah County's City Creek. What a joke. :koko:

SLC Projects
Sep 19, 2013, 7:07 PM
I didn't even know that the Pleasant Grove Embassy Suites Hotel development was still alive and in the works. Thought it died a slow painful death a long time ago.

Would like to learn more about this "University Mall expansion" and how leaders are talking about it being like a city creek center with highrise office and condo buildings. ( Of course their view of highrise is a 4-story building. )

jtrent77
Sep 19, 2013, 8:02 PM
I love how they think that simply adding some office buildings and a residential component will instantly make University Mall, Utah County's City Creek. What a joke. :koko:

Errr....has anyone actually seen their plans yet? I think you are being a bit (a lot) judgmental before even seeing what they are planning to do.

TonyAnderson
Sep 19, 2013, 8:26 PM
I didn't even know that the Pleasant Grove Embassy Suites Hotel development was still alive and in the works. Thought it died a slow painful death a long time ago.

Would like to learn more about this "University Mall expansion" and how leaders are talking about it being like a city creek center with highrise office and condo buildings. ( Of course their view of highrise is a 4-story building. )

Judging from what they said it sounds dead still. Without a convention center I don't see there being demand for more than a typical 3-4 story hotel.

delts145
Sep 19, 2013, 8:30 PM
Judging from what they said it sounds dead still. Without a convention center I don't see there being demand for more than a typical 3-4 story hotel.

Have they even resolved the stench issue fully yet? Until, they completely eliminate that problem, that surrounding area isn't going to see the projected development progress.

I am anxious to see the Woodbury plans, they can be pretty smart and aggressive. I do wonder though what their definition is of the described Class A high rises? I mean, exactly how many floors do they consider as a high rise? It sounds to me like they're going to create something of a hybrid between Station Park and perhaps a little bit City Creek. I don't blame Future Mayor for being a little skeptical though. We'll have to wait and see. For sure, something big and bold needs to be done with the University Mall though. Obviously, Utah Valley is one of a handfull of the highest growth areas in the nation and it's former shopping mecca deserves a big dynamic makeover.

All of you please go over to the SLMSA thread and give some thoughts on the new project replacing the old Mrs. Fields Mall on Park City's Main. Do you guys like it or not? Do you think it's a big improvement over what has been there, etc?

SLC Projects
Sep 19, 2013, 9:39 PM
Judging from what they said it sounds dead still. Without a convention center I don't see there being demand for more than a typical 3-4 story hotel.

It's always been my understanding that there's only enough demand in Utah County for one convention center. And since downtown Provo ended up landing the convention center, is there even a need for one in PG? The developer should just buy some land in downtown Provo and develop his hotel there since downtown Provo is now in need for more hotel rooms.

Stenar
Sep 19, 2013, 11:01 PM
oops