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Future Mayor
Mar 10, 2014, 8:33 AM
Good for you guys. I prefer to water ski on water with some semblance of visibility and not live in constant fear that any might get into my mouth and poison me. Just shows your durability if you have been doing this for a while.

It sounds as if you've never actually been on the lake. When you're out in the middle, while it's not crystal blue, a large portion of the lake is blue and not the mud and pollution that you make it out to be.

delts145
Mar 10, 2014, 3:01 PM
Good for you guys. I prefer to water ski on water with some semblance of visibility and not live in constant fear that any might get into my mouth and poison me. Just shows your durability if you have been doing this for a while.


OremNative, I appreciate what you saying, but perhaps your not understanding the point that the experts have been making for years, and are now addressing in a way that we should all be very encouraged about. That point is this. The murky appearance of the Lake is due to the CARP POPULATION.At this point, the murk is due to the Carp destroying the Lake's natural plant life at the bottom. This has left the Lake vulnerable to winds stirring up the Lake's plantless sub surface. The more Carp eliminated the more the plant life returns. This in turn will allow for the return of attractive species that thrive because of the natural flora and fauna. This return of vegetation beneath the surface will also greatly improve the clarity of the water.

OremNative
Mar 11, 2014, 4:17 AM
I'm not convinced that carp are the entire reason for the murky water, but they certainly contribute to it. The shallow depth of the lake at 14' makes it naturally challenging. Further, with a shallow lake, the more you clear up the water and allow sunlight to the bottom of the lake in a lake with high levels of phosphorus and nitrates, the greater the risk of deadly algae blooms that can kill off other animal and plant life and make the lake smellier than ever.

tygr
Mar 11, 2014, 4:10 PM
I'm not convinced that carp are the entire reason for the murky water, but they certainly contribute to it. The shallow depth of the lake at 14' makes it naturally challenging. Further, with a shallow lake, the more you clear up the water and allow sunlight to the bottom of the lake in a lake with high levels of phosphorus and nitrates, the greater the risk of deadly algae blooms that can kill off other animal and plant life and make the lake smellier than ever.

Before the non-native carp were introduced into the lake, Utah Lake was a very clean and clear blue lake. Carp had a direct and detrimental effect to the health of the lake.

OremNative
Mar 12, 2014, 1:26 AM
Before the non-native carp were introduced into the lake, Utah Lake was a very clean and clear blue lake. Carp had a direct and detrimental effect to the health of the lake.

I'm sure the June Suckers used to spout cool, clear water from the lake directly into your mouth tygr as you frolicked playfully together. Then came the dark days when the carp arrived, accompanied by thunderstorms and lightening, drawing Geneva Steel and untreated sewer to the lake in a sinister plot.

Here's a hopeful case study of a lake where they plan to dredge, do watershed improvement and carp removal:

http://www.iowadnr.gov/portals/idnr/uploads/Iowa%20Outdoors%20Magazine/Fishing/files/CarpRoundup.pdf?amp;tabid=792

A good quote: “Research shows that to affect a carp population you
need to come quickly and physically remove at least
50 percent of the fish"

and...

“Carp are just a single factor in a variety of complex
water quality issues facing Clear Lake”

jtrent77
Mar 12, 2014, 3:40 AM
I'm sure the June Suckers used to spout cool, clear water from the lake directly into your mouth tygr as you frolicked playfully together. Then came the dark days when the carp arrived, accompanied by thunderstorms and lightening, drawing Geneva Steel and untreated sewer to the lake in a sinister plot.

Here's a hopeful case study of a lake where they plan to dredge, do watershed improvement and carp removal:

http://www.iowadnr.gov/portals/idnr/uploads/Iowa%20Outdoors%20Magazine/Fishing/files/CarpRoundup.pdf?amp;tabid=792

A good quote: “Research shows that to affect a carp population you
need to come quickly and physically remove at least
50 percent of the fish"

and...

“Carp are just a single factor in a variety of complex
water quality issues facing Clear Lake”

Also from that same article though:

Within days of carp removal, the waters
of Ventura marsh, separated from Clear Lake by highway S-14 become
crystal clear while the untreated waters of Clear Lake remain turbid
and algae laden. phosphorus, the nutrient most responsible for algae
growth, is stored in lake sediment. Carp, a bottom dwelling fish, stir
up sediment which not only increases turbidity, but releases stored
phosphorus making it available for algae production.

jtrent77
Mar 12, 2014, 3:50 AM
Mall begins phase one of 110 acre project (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/mall-begins-phase-one-of-acre-project/article_69487106-e0a7-51cf-9c00-f4fa6a591e02.html)
OREM -- The University Mall and Ivory Homes have begun the public process of developing infrastructure to facilitate an apartment complex that is part of the 110-acre University Place project.

On Tuesday the city council voted three to two to approve the city rededicated property at 900 South and 750 East back to mall ownership as they prepare roadways for the future multi-family units to be built on the northeast end of the mall property. Councilman Brent Sumner was excused from the meeting.

Deek1978
Mar 12, 2014, 3:33 PM
I wish the Daily Herald had an inkling of wit, and would place better photos with their articles. I can't read words without pictures to explain what those words mean.

Also, @Orem Native: Right now they are removing roughly 5,000 lbs of carp per day from the lake. Utah Lake is a big lake, much larger than the lake in your article. While removing the carp isn't the only thing necessary, other steps have already been taken to take care of the rest. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but Geneva Steel isn't there anymore. If you look to the west while driving on I-15 you'll see that it's gone. A massive clean up project took place by Geneva Steel, before they shut down. Also, raw sewage hasn't been in the lake for decades.

If you look at the lake, you'll notice that it is more blue now than it used to be. over 2.5 million pounds of carp have already been removed, but they're only halfway to their goal of 5 million pounds. That's a lot of fish.

Future Mayor
Mar 12, 2014, 5:42 PM
I don't know if you've noticed or not, but Geneva Steel isn't there anymore. If you look to the west while driving on I-15 you'll see that it's gone.

:lmao:

mobius42
Mar 13, 2014, 4:15 AM
By removing the carp I know the lake improves, but how do they ensure the carp population doesn't bounce back?

AllOutOfBubbleGum
Mar 13, 2014, 7:09 PM
By removing the carp I know the lake improves, but how do they ensure the carp population doesn't bounce back?

They will have to keep up with removal of the carp, but not on the scale they are on right now. They will need to target the large Carp, from there nature does its thing by big fish eat little fish. I do have concerns they will not work to restore the tributaries from the carp damage or at least neglect to restore. Provo river has carp running almost all the way up to the state street bridge and the decline of the June Sucker had a lot to do with the destruction of their spawning grounds by the carp.

Part of me just wishes they poison the lake and kill all fish life, then replant the native fish to the lake. But Utah Lake is a natural lake and their is probably a law against that. But that's what they did to Strawberry and it worked out great, but Strawberry is man made. :shrug:

Future Mayor
Mar 13, 2014, 7:13 PM
While it does seem that poising the lake might be easier, there is a benefit to the carp removal process. They are grinding up the carp and farmers are using it for fertilizer for their land.

Deek1978
Mar 14, 2014, 3:26 PM
I'm hearing that "The Point" is the next freeway project in Utah and the contract will be awarded in May. This will be the widening of I-15 from SR-92 to 123rd South in Draper, by two lanes in each direction. So, Lehi main street to SR-92 will still be 4 lanes, but before and after will be 6... cue face palm.
My neighbor is a project manager for Geneva Rock, so I'm kind of in their corner... but Provo River did a good job on the CORE project... it'll be interesting to see what happens. Construction should be done by Spring of 2016.

billbillbillbill
Mar 14, 2014, 4:16 PM
I'm hearing that "The Point" is the next freeway project in Utah and the contract will be awarded in May. This will be the widening of I-15 from SR-92 to 123rd South in Draper, by two lanes in each direction. So, Lehi main street to SR-92 will still be 4 lanes, but before and after will be 6... cue face palm.
My neighbor is a project manager for Geneva Rock, so I'm kind of in their corner... but Provo River did a good job on the CORE project... it'll be interesting to see what happens. Construction should be done by Spring of 2016.

I can't remember if I read it here or somewhere else but I believe the reason they are waiting on the construction of that segment in Lehi was based on getting federal dollars for the future interchange at the Mountain View Corridor (can't remember what they call that exit currently). Hopefully it will be not far behind.

Future Mayor
Mar 14, 2014, 4:41 PM
I can't remember if I read it here or somewhere else but I believe the reason they are waiting on the construction of that segment in Lehi was based on getting federal dollars for the future interchange at the Mountain View Corridor (can't remember what they call that exit currently). Hopefully it will be not far behind.

I'm with you on this. I'm not sure if I heard that the future interchange was the reason or if I just put two and two together in my mind to figure out that that is the reason that section isn't being expanded yet. Pointless to expand it now when it will have to be completely redesigned and rebuilt when the Mtn View interchange is built.

AllOutOfBubbleGum
Mar 14, 2014, 8:53 PM
I'm with you on this. I'm not sure if I heard that the future interchange was the reason or if I just put two and two together in my mind to figure out that that is the reason that section isn't being expanded yet. Pointless to expand it now when it will have to be completely redesigned and rebuilt when the Mtn View interchange is built.

Drove on that interchange this morning and noticed little flags out for survey markers but I think they are just improving the turn radius for the on ramp from 2100 N and 1-15. Originally they were going to do that section of road for the 1-15 Core project but backed out when the cost to build the thing got to high and they wanted the freeway built sooner. They wanted to expand the freeway from Thanksgiving point all the way to Payson.

Also aren't they rebiulding/expanding the freeway from I-215 junction in North Salt Lake all the way to Lagoon? talk about book-ending I-15.:yuck:

Future Mayor
Mar 14, 2014, 11:27 PM
Also aren't they rebiulding/expanding the freeway from I-215 junction in North Salt Lake all the way to Lagoon? talk about book-ending I-15.:yuck:

Book ending? I think I know what you mean, wide with 5 lanes all the way from Farmington to Lehi, then narrow again. Is that what you mean?

AllOutOfBubbleGum
Mar 14, 2014, 11:47 PM
Book ending? I think I know what you mean, wide with 5 lanes all the way from Farmington to Lehi, then narrow again. Is that what you mean?

HAHA I messed that up, what I get while posting Youtube video's and typing on here. The construction causes Bottle Neck - ing This is starting to sound like a Brian Regan skit :uhh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxenUzZPFiQ

delts145
Mar 18, 2014, 7:00 PM
Someone needs to followup on Highrise Mike's great update from the other day. We never did get a look at the finished Exactware headquarters, or the major new museum at Thanksgiving Point, a zoom on the NSA Center, and on and on. Lehi growth continues to explode.

I figured I would do a quick Lehi update with some of the projects coming through, some of these you may already know about. There are plenty of low-rise office buildings going around here but I keep hoping to something a little taller, but nothing to take away from downtown SLC! I got all of these pictures from the Lehi City website, these were all scanned in from project files.

UCCU - this is a 7 story office building with underground parking. The FAR is near 1 on this which is a little more impressive for Lehi and it will be right next to I-15 along the frontage road just south of SR-92. It will look cool having it right near the freeway!
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/UCCUOfficeBuilding.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/UCCUOfficeBuilding.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/56580703012014011128899.PDF

Lofts at Ivory Ridge - There are 3 buildings with 15 units each. It's another step toward making a little town center along Center Street. There was originally retail proposed for the first floor a it makes me sad they took it out!
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/LoftsatIvory1.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/LoftsatIvory1.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/50247503012014011332784.PDF

Here are a couple construction photos of the Lofts at Ivory that I snapped this morning with my phone:
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/Lofts13114.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/Lofts13114.jpg.html)

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/Lofts23114.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/Lofts23114.jpg.html)

Ivory West Office - This is an office building that will be just north of the Lofts with a future retail pad to the north of this.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/IRWOffice.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/IRWOffice.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/54671203012014012356867.PDF

Lehi Station - This is another low-rise office building right next to the Thanksgiving Point Front Runner station. A similar office building is already under construction next to the new Starbucks on Ashton. I was honestly hoping to see some type of mixed use go in here near the station, but there have been talks of a mixed use type project on the SL Real practice field parcel.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/LehiStation.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/LehiStation.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/56580203012014011057881.PDF

Traverse Hyatt - This is another new hotel already approved near the outlets on the northwest corner of SR-92 and Triumph.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/TraverseHyatt.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/TraverseHyatt.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/52217903012014010547359.PDF

Mountain View Office Plaza - This is a smaller office building on Maple Loop somewhat trying to mimic Adobe.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/mikeedwardwest/CrowshawBuilding.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/mikeedwardwest/media/CrowshawBuilding.jpg.html)
http://sirepub.lehi-ut.gov/sirepub/cache/2/i0dmorxz45xjhpojknfk2g1o/54072903012014011012636.PDF

There is definitely much more going on in Lehi but this shows a few of the projects recently approved! Also I've heard that Adobe Phase 2 may start this spring which is another wing extending off of the amenities building. Hopefully this was a good update!

delts145
Mar 20, 2014, 6:44 AM
There's not a Metro backdrop in No. America that can top the Wasatch Front!

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/payson/construction/images/payson-mormon-temple-1393015346.jpg
Courtesy of Alan Jensen

StevenF
Mar 20, 2014, 3:01 PM
For a metropolitan area no nothing really beats it. But I would still put the Tetons above the Wasatch Mountains any day.

delts145
Mar 20, 2014, 6:58 PM
So, let's then say the Wasatch Mtns. are definitely the most beautiful of the metro backdrops, at least in North America... Annnd Granted, the Tetons are one of the most beautiful Mountain Chains in the World, when viewed from certain vantage points or angles. Then again, it made me think...We're use to viewing the Wasatch only from the vantage point of the Urban Valley, which is of course very beautiful. We often forget how TRULEY beautiful the Wasatch is within. I hereby propose that there are many unsurpassed beauty shots throughout the Western U.S. and Canada. However, there are none that are more beautiful than scenes like those within Metro Salt Lake's proximate backyard.

Not Yosemite, not the Tetons, not the Maroon Bells, etc. get any prettier than the dozens of Wasatch vistas like this.
Silver Lake Flats, North Fork, American Fork Canyon
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/91303410.jpg

Lake Blanche, Little Cottonwood Canyon
http://www.kevinrowephoto.com/img/s8/v81/p1392459026-5.jpg
http://www.kevinrowephoto.com

i-215
Mar 21, 2014, 1:12 AM
Anyone know anything about that MASSIVE electronic sign going up next to Adobe? I'm guessing it's for the outlet mall. It's seriously of Las Vegas proportions!

jedikermit
Mar 21, 2014, 1:28 AM
Yeah, it's for the Traverse Mtn Outlets. :/

DCRes
Mar 21, 2014, 3:17 PM
I was driving down I-15 a few weeks ago and passed an oversized load on a trailer. Then I passed the Traverse Outlets and saw about half of the sign up and realized that it was the top half that I had seen on the freeway. It was huge, took up probably three lanes of traffic.

StevenF
Mar 21, 2014, 4:45 PM
So... The Outlets at Traverse Mountain is well on it's way to completion. I hadn't realized that it is scheduled to be open in November of this year. It will include a 200 ft tall (!!!!) LED sign. Las Vegas style. Here is a conceptual drawing:

http://traversemountain.org/uploads/newbb/1_4f1260cd46092.png


Here is the sign that I dug up from many pages back. Back a few hundred years I am sure that would have classified as a world wonder.

Deek1978
Mar 21, 2014, 5:02 PM
I find it sad that the tallest building in Lehi, and one of the tallest, if not THE tallest in Utah County, will be a sign for a shopping outlet.

I'm not opposed to them building it, I just wish they'd build taller buildings, instead of a dozen 5-6 story buildings at Thanksgiving Point.

wrendog
Mar 21, 2014, 5:05 PM
I find it sad that the tallest building in Lehi, and one of the tallest, if not THE tallest in Utah County, will be a sign for a shopping outlet.

I'm not opposed to them building it, I just wish they'd build taller buildings, instead of a dozen 5-6 story buildings at Thanksgiving Point.

Do you find it sad that the tallest building in Salt Lake is a smoke stack? :)

i-215
Mar 21, 2014, 7:44 PM
Being from the west side, I always thought it was cool that the largest structure west of the Mississippi was in Magna. Sure, it was a smoke stack, but I could tell girls at school how it was "as tall as the Empire State Building!" (I didn't date much in high school, lol).

CountyLemonade
Mar 21, 2014, 10:15 PM
Sure, it was a smoke stack, but I could tell girls at school how it was "as tall as the Empire State Building!" (I didn't date much in high school, lol).

Dying right now.

SLC Projects
Mar 21, 2014, 10:38 PM
Being from the west side, I always thought it was cool that the largest structure west of the Mississippi was in Magna. Sure, it was a smoke stack, but I could tell girls at school how it was "as tall as the Empire State Building!" (I didn't date much in high school, lol).

I used to tell girls at school that it's not the size of our buildings that matter but how we use them.

Stenar
Mar 22, 2014, 7:07 AM
Being from the west side, I always thought it was cool that the largest structure west of the Mississippi was in Magna. Sure, it was a smoke stack, but I could tell girls at school how it was "as tall as the Empire State Building!" (I didn't date much in high school, lol).

Why isn't the smokestack in our building diagram section?? ;)

jedikermit
Mar 22, 2014, 5:04 PM
I find it sad that the tallest building in Lehi, and one of the tallest, if not THE tallest in Utah County, will be a sign for a shopping outlet.


It's ridiculously oversized. To the point of being offensive. And I'm not one who's normally easily offended. If the sign were half that size, it would still be a huge frigging sign.

More than anything, especially driving up from Utah County into Salt Lake County, it detracts from what I think is an exceptional building for the area, Adobe's new building. They'll also be expanding Adobe, hopefully with the same aesthetic in mind.

jedikermit
Mar 22, 2014, 5:06 PM
Do you find it sad that the tallest building in Salt Lake is a smoke stack? :)

Honestly, I do. I think the conspicuous consumption represented by the sign is more offensive than a smokestack that is/was used for production...even if yes, there are environmental problems with the entire mining/smelting operation, and the whole process might offend me. Still. I'd take that smokestack at the tip of the Oquirrhs any day over that Godzilla of a sign.

SLC Projects
Mar 22, 2014, 5:34 PM
So is that very big "Outlet" sign in Lehi going up now?

StevenF
Mar 22, 2014, 9:31 PM
So is that very big "Outlet" sign in Lehi going up now?

It has been going up for a few months now. I was there a month back and they had most of the internal framing complete.

OremNative
Mar 24, 2014, 5:29 AM
So even though I grew up in Utah Valley, I've lived out of state for over a decade. Where I live now (Phoenix), they banned all new billboard construction years ago, with the exception of a couple of electronic signs near important commercial centers. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Utah has an unbelievably beautiful mountain backdrop, but trying to see it through the forest of annoying billboards is almost impossible. Unless Utah wants to continue its march to Vegas style gaudiness, it's time to take a hard line on billboard construction and let the mountains be the memory, not a crappy message that distracts drivers from the road.

jedikermit
Mar 24, 2014, 2:34 PM
^^^^

Yes to all of that. It seems more egregious in Utah County than Salt Lake County, or it may just be that I'm used to all of the billboards in Salt Lake, and in Utah County they're all new to me. And bug the heck out of me. They actually make me want to avoid the companies/stores/organizations they're advertising. And I have like, eleven dollars to spend, so that's gonna hurt them.

Future Mayor
Mar 24, 2014, 4:42 PM
Actually all the cities in Utah County, at least from the point of the mountain through the Spanish Fork area have banned additional billboards, and when I worked for Payson they were exploring an ordinance to ban the addition of any more boards. There hasn't been any additional billboards built along most of the entire Wasatch Front in many years. There has been new construction of billboards in the past year in Utah County but that is simply due to relocation or removal of previously built billboards that were taken down during I-15 reconstruction. Billboard companies can rebuild and improve their existing billboards, in some cases that includes converting them to digital, but no new billboards are being built, anywhere. Most cities have a cap, according to when their no more billboard ordinance was written, allowing for a total number of billboard face square feet, so if a lease expires on a billboard and the property owner doesn't renew the lease, the billboard company can sign a new lease in a new location within that city to recover their lost revenue from the expired lease. Again this is just replacement though, rather than additional.

Some cities will allow for the building of a new large billboard if an equal number of square feet are taken down in other areas of the city, this is something that is still being discussed with SLC. SLC wants to ban new electronic billboards, and they also want to reduce the number of billboards in residential areas. The city at one point proposed a 2 to 1 take down for new large one. Meaning that if a billboard company wanted to install a new 14 x 46 large billboard (644 sf) or convert one to digital, they would have to remove 1,288 sf of smaller neighborhood billboards.

Because there isn't the options to erect new billboards Reagan Outdoors last year purchased two competitors CBS (Utah boards) and Simmons Outdoor Media, because that was the only way to increase their inventory. This is the same reason you are seeing so many billboards by Yesco, Reagan and Saunders being converted to Digital, it provides more sell-able advertising space.

delts145
Mar 24, 2014, 5:35 PM
Thanks Future Mayor, You answered a lot of questions I had. I do wonder what all those residents in expensive new homes on Traverse Ridge, with their spectacular views are thinking? They're right above this mega sign, or at least a lot of them are. The light pollution would be annoying also.

Future Mayor
Mar 24, 2014, 5:52 PM
Thanks Future Mayor, You answered a lot of questions I had. I do wonder what all those residents in expensive new homes on Traverse Ridge, with their spectacular views are thinking? They're right above this mega sign, or at least a lot of them are. The light pollution would be annoying also.

IMO, that sing is MUCH worse than any billboard, or any 10 billboards.

Deek1978
Mar 24, 2014, 5:55 PM
I just think that 200 Feet is extreme... They could accomplish their goal of letting every single car on the freeway know that there is a shopping outlet there, by having a sign half the size of what they're building.

The fact that they CAN build a sign that large doesn't mean that they SHOULD build a sign that large.

SLC Projects
Mar 24, 2014, 7:33 PM
I need to go check out this sign for myself. Haven't seen it in person yet.

jedikermit
Mar 24, 2014, 7:50 PM
^^^^

If you're anywhere in Salt Lake, Davis or Weber Counties, just look south. Also Box Elder. And Cache.

And Idaho.

Wasatch_One
Mar 24, 2014, 9:19 PM
^^^^

If you're anywhere in Salt Lake, Davis or Weber Counties, just look south. Also Box Elder. And Cache.

And Idaho.

haha, guys... i think we're embellishing this a bit. Yes, it is pretty freaking tall, but it's not 200' tall. I would say at most, it's a bit taller than the Adobe building (my estimate for the Adobe bldg is 80' - 4 floors @ 15' per floor plus crown) The sign maaay be 100' tall, 120' tops.

SLC Projects
Mar 24, 2014, 9:30 PM
haha, guys... i think we're embellishing this a bit. Yes, it is pretty freaking tall, but it's not 200' tall. I would say at most, it's a bit taller than the Adobe building (my estimate for the Adobe bldg is 80' - 4 floors @ 15' per floor plus crown) The sign maaay be 100' tall, 120' tops.

Also I think once we see more development of office buildings and such ( 4-7 stories ) develop around that area that sign will just blend in better with the buildings around it.

i-215
Mar 25, 2014, 1:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/RuoJHFj.jpg

OremNative
Mar 25, 2014, 2:48 AM
Unfortunately a restriction on new signs isn't enough to undo the damage from the thousands of billboards that are already up. It seems the cities need to find a way to put existing signs out to pasture to declutter the beautiful state of Utah from rampant sign pollution. There was a recent proposal in Phoenix to require conversions of existing billboards be accompanied by the removal of 1,200 square feet of non-conforming billboard.

ToysNoiz
Mar 25, 2014, 3:54 AM
Is a sign that big gonna be ridiculous? Yeah, but it might be kinda cool, too.

ToysNoiz
Mar 25, 2014, 3:57 AM
I used to tell girls at school that it's not the size of our buildings that matter but how we use them.

Most girls think it's really nerdy that I know the exact height of all of our buildings. And the years they were built...... and their developers...... and their costs.....

StevenF
Mar 25, 2014, 4:26 AM
Most girls think it's really nerdy that I know the exact height of all of our buildings. And the years they were built...... and their developers...... and their costs.....

Let me guess you take pictures of them too.

ToysNoiz
Mar 25, 2014, 5:10 AM
Let me guess you take pictures of them too.

Buildings, constantly. Girls, sometimes.

StevenF
Mar 25, 2014, 5:20 AM
Buildings, constantly. Girls, sometimes.

Stalker

jedikermit
Mar 25, 2014, 2:09 PM
Stalker

Hey, as long as they don't catch you, is it really stalking?

The buildings, not the girls.

Sickos.

StevenF
Mar 25, 2014, 2:30 PM
lol, I think Jedikermit got where I was going with this :D

ToysNoiz
Mar 25, 2014, 10:04 PM
Stalker

Please..... I'd be flattered if someone stalked me. ;)

Stenar
Mar 25, 2014, 10:36 PM
Thanks Future Mayor, You answered a lot of questions I had. I do wonder what all those residents in expensive new homes on Traverse Ridge, with their spectacular views are thinking? They're right above this mega sign, or at least a lot of them are. The light pollution would be annoying also.

There is a huge LED sign for an auto dealer 3.5 miles from my house that is all blinking and annoying at night. I hate it.

Future Mayor
Mar 25, 2014, 10:43 PM
Unfortunately a restriction on new signs isn't enough to undo the damage from the thousands of billboards that are already up. It seems the cities need to find a way to put existing signs out to pasture to declutter the beautiful state of Utah from rampant sign pollution. There was a recent proposal in Phoenix to require conversions of existing billboards be accompanied by the removal of 1,200 square feet of non-conforming billboard.

"Thousands" is a bit of an over statement. With their purchase of two companies last year Reagan has maybe 1,200 signs state wide, which includes the 14 x 48 large signs, along with the of 11 x 22 and 8 x 11, boards scattered throughout the surface streets, there are approx 600 of the two smaller sizes (combined). Reagan is by far the largest in the state, by more than double of all the others combined.

It depends on how cities define non-conforming, how did Phoenix define non-conforming? While I don't love billboards, it's not as if a 14' x 48' sign is so much bigger than the mountains that it blocks people from seeing them. The problem with legislating removal is that there is a very fine line between what is legal and what is considered an economic taking. One interesting note is that the digital signs are greener than the traditional static signs. The digital signs are LED while the static boards are still illuminated with huge incandescent bulbs.

Hatman
Mar 26, 2014, 1:28 AM
Once autonomus cars become more common billboards will gradually go extinct. People will be too busy watching movies or whatever to look outside at either the billboards or the mountains.

Stenar
Mar 26, 2014, 4:12 AM
Once autonomus cars become more common billboards will gradually go extinct. People will be too busy watching movies or whatever to look outside at either the billboards or the mountains.

YES! I can't wait until my car drives me. Have you seen this, a Tesla modified, the front seats turn around and there is a large screen TV at the back:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/matthewdepaula/files/2014/02/xc_24_dwn_20_2014_hres.jpg


Or you can turn around and have a chat:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2014_rinspeed_xchange_concept_01_1-1212.jpg

SLC Projects
Mar 26, 2014, 5:07 AM
A new level of laziness.

Stenar
Mar 26, 2014, 5:12 AM
A new level of laziness.

Is it lazy to ride the bus, train, plane? Nope. And it won't be laziness enjoying yourself on your way to destinations in your self-driving car. Most people get stressed out by driving. Most of them don't even realize it. No need. Also, self-driving cars will be far, far safer than human drivers. Accidents will probably be a very rare occurrence.


Stress from city driving same as skydiving: MIT study
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stress-city-driving-skydiving-mit-study-article-1.1365361

Driving a car is more stressful than going by bus, says new research
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8010735/Driving-a-car-is-more-stressful-than-going-by-bus-says-new-research.html

SLC Projects
Mar 26, 2014, 5:18 AM
Is it lazy to ride the bus, train, plane? Nope. And it won't be laziness enjoying yourself on your way to destinations in your self-driving car. Most people get stressed out by driving. Most of them don't even realize it. No need. Also, self-driving cars will be far, far safer than human drivers. Accidents will probably be a very rare occurrence.

You're right. It's not like anything ever goes wrong with vehicles and have to be recalled all the time for much simpler things. People sitting on a bus or train or plane isn't even the same thing. Even in those cases you still have a driver driving that bus or train. Come on, driving isn't that hard. Are people going to start blaming their cars after getting into wrecks? "Sorry officer, didn't mean to run over that little girl, my car should of stopped on it's own while my seat was turned backwards watching Breaking Bad."

SLC Projects
Mar 26, 2014, 5:28 AM
Really, the first thing I thought of when I saw that picture of the two in the car facing backwards were those fat lazy humans on Well-e were everything was done for them. One step closer.

jedikermit
Mar 26, 2014, 2:46 PM
^^^^

I'm intrigued by the possibilities. Knowing me, though, the last thing I want is more face time with my family on long drives. Much rather watch the road. As my knuckles whiten with rage.

That said, I really miss riding TRAX every day and having that time to read or work on projects. I lost several hours a week that I can't get back.

Hatman
Mar 26, 2014, 4:38 PM
All I'd seen up till now were pictures of the Google car... You just opened my mind, Stenar. I want one of those Teslas....

Stenar
Mar 26, 2014, 7:44 PM
You're right. It's not like anything ever goes wrong with vehicles and have to be recalled all the time for much simpler things. People sitting on a bus or train or plane isn't even the same thing. Even in those cases you still have a driver driving that bus or train. Come on, driving isn't that hard. Are people going to start blaming their cars after getting into wrecks? "Sorry officer, didn't mean to run over that little girl, my car should of stopped on it's own while my seat was turned backwards watching Breaking Bad."


There are a LOT of train and subway systems around the world that are driverless. Tesla is able to use software updates to fix many things with Tesla cars. Fewer recalls. Less expensive maintenance. Self-driving cars will be far less likely to run people over than human drivers. Computers don't get distracted, for one thing.

"Tesla is championing a new model of automobile maintenance in which Internet connected cars “self diagnose” problems, automatically download and install software fixes and updates and need very little maintenance compared to gas powered internal combustion engines....
Tesla’s new model includes flat yearly maintenance plans, including discounts for multi-year agreements and provides a provocative alternative to traditional fee for service plans which have highly unpredictable costs and often leave consumers suspecting they’ve been had by an unscrupulous garage or mechanic. Plans include free replacement of standard parts, such as brake pads, windshield wipers and faulty batteries. Tesla vehicles are so different from traditional gas powered cars that oil changes will be required far less frequently, threatening a key element of the auto dealer business model."
http://www.industrytap.com/teslas-vision-internet-connected-monitored-electric-cars-causes-crisis-auto-dealers/18855

SLC Projects
Mar 26, 2014, 9:48 PM
There are a LOT of train and subway systems around the world that are driverless. Tesla is able to use software updates to fix many things with Tesla cars. Fewer recalls. Less expensive maintenance. Self-driving cars will be far less likely to run people over than human drivers. Computers don't get distracted, for one thing.

"Tesla is championing a new model of automobile maintenance in which Internet connected cars “self diagnose” problems, automatically download and install software fixes and updates and need very little maintenance compared to gas powered internal combustion engines....
Tesla’s new model includes flat yearly maintenance plans, including discounts for multi-year agreements and provides a provocative alternative to traditional fee for service plans which have highly unpredictable costs and often leave consumers suspecting they’ve been had by an unscrupulous garage or mechanic. Plans include free replacement of standard parts, such as brake pads, windshield wipers and faulty batteries. Tesla vehicles are so different from traditional gas powered cars that oil changes will be required far less frequently, threatening a key element of the auto dealer business model."
http://www.industrytap.com/teslas-vision-internet-connected-monitored-electric-cars-causes-crisis-auto-dealers/18855

I don't need a computer to wipe my ass.

ToysNoiz
Mar 26, 2014, 9:54 PM
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2014_rinspeed_xchange_concept_01_1-1212.jpg

If something like this car becomes the norm, then hell, anyone could drive. Five year olds could get themselves to school and back. All you'd need to know is which button to push. Which means all my training would be useless. :haha:

Stenar
Mar 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
If something like this car becomes the norm, then hell, anyone could drive. Five year olds could get themselves to school and back. All you'd need to know is which button to push. Which means all my training would be useless. :haha:

Disabled and blind people could drive. There are many wonderful options for self-driving cars. The kid going to school and back probably wouldn't even have to push a button. It could just be programmed to drop the kid of and return home in case other people need the car and then go back and pick the kid up when school is done. Families could get by with fewer cars. Instead of cars just sitting all day waiting for you at work, a self-driving car could be driving various family members to various places all day.

By the way, Google's self-driving car his logged thousands of miles already driving on city streets and highways and even to the top of Pike's Peak. For the first few years, the self-driving cars were required to have a driver at the wheel in case anything went wrong. Nothing ever did go wrong and those people at the wheel never once took control of the car. Now California is allowing Google to test self-driving cars without anyone at the wheel.

When self-driving cars are released, they will use Bluetooth, WiFi or some sort of radio communication to sync up to tell each other where they are, so they don't crash into each other. They will also create a distributed WiFi mesh, providing internet service in all cars for occupants to access the internet. Because the cars will be in communication with cars miles ahead, they will know why there is a slowdown and prevent traffic jams if there is an accident, etc. They will automatically seek out other routes if necessary by communicating with cars on other roads, etc.

It will revolutionize automobiles more than just driving for you. Parking garages may be further from venues on the outskirts of downtown. The car will drop you off and go park at a less expensive garage or lot further from the venue.

No more drunk driving because the drunk won't actually be the one driving.

ToysNoiz
Mar 27, 2014, 12:05 AM
Disabled and blind people could drive. There are many wonderful options for self-driving cars. The kid going to school and back probably wouldn't even have to push a button. It could just be programmed to drop the kid of and return home in case other people need the car and then go back and pick the kid up when school is done. Families could get by with fewer cars. Instead of cars just sitting all day waiting for you at work, a self-driving car could be driving various family members to various places all day.

By the way, Google's self-driving car his logged thousands of miles already driving on city streets and highways and even to the top of Pike's Peak. For the first few years, the self-driving cars were required to have a driver at the wheel in case anything went wrong. Nothing ever did go wrong and those people at the wheel never once took control of the car. Now California is allowing Google to test self-driving cars without anyone at the wheel.

When self-driving cars are released, they will use Bluetooth, WiFi or some sort of radio communication to sync up to tell each other where they are, so they don't crash into each other. They will also create a distributed WiFi mesh, providing internet service in all cars for occupants to access the internet. Because the cars will be in communication with cars miles ahead, they will know why there is a slowdown and prevent traffic jams if there is an accident, etc. They will automatically seek out other routes if necessary by communicating with cars on other roads, etc.

It will revolutionize automobiles more than just driving for you. Parking garages may be further from venues on the outskirts of downtown. The car will drop you off and go park at a less expensive garage or lot further from the venue.

No more drunk driving because the drunk won't actually be the one driving.

Wow, I'd never thought of any of this. Cars like that would be pretty cool if all of the problems were solved. To the future. :cheers:

StevenF
Mar 27, 2014, 1:31 AM
This will be a buzz kill. No more driving into downtown and having my wife yell at me because I am looking around at construction and trying to tell her where something is or could be built.

Stenar
Mar 27, 2014, 1:56 AM
This will be a buzz kill. No more driving into downtown and having my wife yell at me because I am looking around at construction and trying to tell her where something is or could be built.

You can actually take a long look at all the construction happening instead of short, furtive glances inbetween watching the road.

On road trips you can enjoy the scenery outside the side windows, instead of staring at the blacktop and lines.

jtrent77
Mar 27, 2014, 4:09 AM
You can actually take a long look at all the construction happening instead of short, furtive glances inbetween watching the road.

On road trips you can enjoy the scenery outside the side windows, instead of staring at the blacktop and lines.

You also realize that if this dream comes true it has a good potential to kill a whole ton of public transit. Why take TRAX downtown, I'll have my car drive me and then instruct the car to go back and park at home. If it all does become a reality I hope there will be cleaner engines by then otherwise with the increased driving (car constantly going picking up and dropping off various people) the pollution will only get worse.

Hatman
Mar 27, 2014, 5:09 AM
Autonomus cars can be only good for public transit. Self-parking cars = no surface lots = more dense urban cores = walkable cities = more people who do not need cars = many public transit users.

When this tech becomes commonplace (10-20 years) there will be an urban population boom like it was the third great migration. Even here in Utah County (this is the utah county threat, after all).

i-215
Mar 27, 2014, 10:25 PM
Up until the day I'm old and dead, I'll be one of those curmudgeons who will never trust anyone but myself at the wheel.

A dedicated freeway lane to automated cars? Perhaps. But it's going to be a LONG time before these cars are set loose on city streets.

For instance, it's easy to have a computer roll you through Palo Alto, CA where the weather is always perfect. It's another thing entirely on rain-changing-to-ice which the weather forecaster got wrong, and it looks safe to drive 60, but you can really only drive 20. I want to make that decision, not an algorithm in my car.

CountyLemonade
Mar 27, 2014, 10:28 PM
Up until the day I'm old and dead, I'll be one of those curmudgeons who will never trust anyone but myself at the wheel.

I agree with this 150%. Call me old-fashioned.

SLC Projects
Mar 27, 2014, 10:33 PM
Up until the day I'm old and dead, I'll be one of those curmudgeons who will never trust anyone but myself at the wheel.

A dedicated freeway lane to automated cars? Perhaps. But it's going to be a LONG time before these cars are set loose on city streets.

For instance, it's easy to have a computer roll you through Palo Alto, CA where the weather is always perfect. It's another thing entirely on rain-changing-to-ice which the weather forecaster got wrong, and it looks safe to drive 60, but you can really only drive 20. I want to make that decision, not an algorithm in my car.

Agreed. We have that basic human instinct of what to do in those cases. I don't need a computer to tell me to "please wait" or "loading..........." while I hit a patch of ice.

UTPlanner
Mar 28, 2014, 5:06 PM
I've seen a lot of "basic human instinct" throw their vehicle right off the interstate during each and every Utah winter storm. I for one would love to sit down in a car, take a nap and end up at my destination.

Deek1978
Mar 28, 2014, 5:42 PM
It looks like they have brought in a few truck loads of gravel for the foundation of the new Wal-mart in Spanish Fork. I talked to my neighbor who has friends in low-places. They aren't going to be grouting the ground like they did with the Costco, and Wal-mart should be open by the end of the year. Also, hearing that the location of the movie theater is in limbo. The Water Gardens wants to stay and they are working with the Woodbury Corp to obtain a long term lease for their building, as per their facebook page. I'm hearing that an Insta-Care will be built where the North Park Cinemas were going to be... but I can't be sure on the source... There is now a Coming Soon sign for Walgreen's, and Rita's is open.

Stenar
Mar 28, 2014, 5:47 PM
You also realize that if this dream comes true it has a good potential to kill a whole ton of public transit. Why take TRAX downtown, I'll have my car drive me and then instruct the car to go back and park at home. If it all does become a reality I hope there will be cleaner engines by then otherwise with the increased driving (car constantly going picking up and dropping off various people) the pollution will only get worse.

People will have fewer cars per household. In my neighborhood, a large number of the houses have 7 cars per house. Mom, Dad and each teenager has a car. This could be reduced to 2-3 cars since the cars won't be sitting for hours on end wherever we are.
I doubt it will reduce mass transit at all. This will supplement mass transit because lower cost car sharing programs will develop where you don't even have to own a car. A self-driving car drives you around locally, but when you have to go 7-20+ miles away! the car drops you off at transit and another car picks you up from transit and takes you the last mile+.

Stenar
Mar 28, 2014, 5:53 PM
Agreed. We have that basic human instinct of what to do in those cases. I don't need a computer to tell me to "please wait" or "loading..........." while I hit a patch of ice.

Most humans get it wrong in what to do when your car starts sliding on ice. A computer won't do that.

Stenar
Mar 28, 2014, 5:55 PM
Self-driving cars being tested by Google have already logged thousands of miles driving on city streets.


Up until the day I'm old and dead, I'll be one of those curmudgeons who will never trust anyone but myself at the wheel.

A dedicated freeway lane to automated cars? Perhaps. But it's going to be a LONG time before these cars are set loose on city streets.

For instance, it's easy to have a computer roll you through Palo Alto, CA where the weather is always perfect. It's another thing entirely on rain-changing-to-ice which the weather forecaster got wrong, and it looks safe to drive 60, but you can really only drive 20. I want to make that decision, not an algorithm in my car.

SLC Projects
Mar 28, 2014, 7:31 PM
Why isn't the smokestack in our building diagram section?? ;)

It still is. http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?buildingID=4117

Stenar
Mar 29, 2014, 8:58 PM
It still is. http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?buildingID=4117

Good!

i-215
Mar 30, 2014, 6:21 AM
Self-driving cars being tested by Google have already logged thousands of miles driving on city streets.

Again:

It's another thing entirely on rain-changing-to-ice which the weather forecaster got wrong, and it looks safe to drive 60, but you can really only drive 20. I want to make that decision, not an algorithm in my car.

Future Mayor
Apr 1, 2014, 6:39 PM
Does anyone on here work or have connections to anyone that works for Orem City?

Deek1978
Apr 1, 2014, 6:41 PM
There's an Orem City PD Sargent that works in the office next to me... but that might not be what you're looking for...

wrendog
Apr 12, 2014, 7:24 PM
The sign doesn't look 200 feet tall to me...


http://i57.tinypic.com/21evzgl.jpg

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jedikermit
Apr 12, 2014, 7:31 PM
^^^^^

two thousand feeeeeet

SLC Projects
Apr 12, 2014, 8:17 PM
I think I read somewhere that it's 100 feet. I don't see why people were so upset over this, the signs at Valley Fair Mall by 215 are tall also.

delts145
Apr 12, 2014, 10:08 PM
Have they started working on the expansion of that Outlet Mall yet? I remember an announcement that they were already going to move on doubling it's size.

wrendog
Apr 12, 2014, 10:09 PM
Have they started working on the expansion of that Outlet Mall yet? I remember an announcement that they were already going to move on doubling it's size.

Yes, they have. I shoulda taken pictures there too. But it's in full swing and looking close to finished, honestly.

StevenF
Apr 13, 2014, 1:41 AM
I was at the factory stores in mid February and all the steel framing was already finished at that time. They had started working on the inside but they were still very much open to walk through.

bob rulz
Apr 13, 2014, 8:53 AM
Again:

Who says those cars haven't successfully navigated wet conditions? Probably not icy or snowy, you're right, but who's to say it couldn't?

Stenar
Apr 13, 2014, 9:43 PM
I think I read somewhere that it's 100 feet. I don't see why people were so upset over this, the signs at Valley Fair Mall by 215 are tall also.

Because it's an ugly piece of crap eyesore that you can see from Idaho.

If I were at Adobe, I would be livid. One looks out the window of the impressive, modern building and this hideous monstrosity is blocking the view.

SLC Projects
Apr 13, 2014, 10:16 PM
Because it's an ugly piece of crap eyesore that you can see from Idaho.

If I were at Adobe, I would be livid. One looks out the window of the impressive, modern building and this hideous monstrosity is blocking the view.

Really?, from Idaho huh?

jedikermit
Apr 13, 2014, 11:18 PM
Really?, from Idaho huh?

Oops.

Canada.

delts145
Apr 15, 2014, 11:57 AM
______________________________:fireworks:Utah Valley University - Grand Opening Of Student Life And Wellness Center :fireworks:

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There will soon be no excuses.

At 2 p.m. Thursday the ribbon will be officially cut and the new Student Life and Wellness Center on the Utah Valley University campus will be open. It's theme is recreation and fitness opportunities for the mind, body and soul.

"The whole focus of the building is kind of mind, body and spirit," said Amy Grubbs, UVU director for campus recreation and wellness. The various portions of the 170,000-square-foot, four-story facility were planned to meet those needs.

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Cardio equipment, free weights and machines, a track, a two-story climbing wall, a bowling alley, basketball and multi-use courts and more are some of the obvious choices to help the body. In addition, a demonstration kitchen, study areas and reflection and meditation area are for the mind and soul.

UVU has many students from the local area, and has been considered a campus where students come mostly just to attend classes. That should change.

"This structure will provide an anchor point for students on what is traditionally considered to be a commuter campus," UVU president Matthew S. Holland said.

He expects the center to help with academic achievement.

"Research shows that the more students are engaged with campus life, the more likely they are to reach their educational goals," Holland added.

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One of UVU's slogans indicates engaged learning, with an emphasis on a hands-on, practical approach. This is another step, creating more engaged students.

After the ribbon cutting Thursday, attendees may explore the new facility. Until 10 p.m. staff will oversee activities, including food sample tastings and free body composition testing in the demonstration kitchen, a hot shot competition on the east court, black light bowling, a track obstacle course, and a climbing wall challenge.

Friday there will be an open house for students. The facilities will be free to use and there will also be activities and prizes.

Through May 1, most of the facilities will be free while the university processes memberships. The bowling alley will only be free this Thursday and Friday. After May 1, all participants must have a membership or pay $5 for a day guest pass to use the facilities.

"The center will provide services that will meet the needs of our diverse population by providing programming for varying fitness levels and recreation and sporting abilities," Grubbs said. "We will provide fitness classes, outdoor adventure trips, sporting events and educational classes for beginner-, intermediate- and advanced-level participants. We will implement various services within each level so we can provide opportunities for a broad range of students, staff and faculty."

Grubbs said the university had conducted a study of approximately 1,200 students and found some were concerned that they had never worked out.

"I think that is one thing that deters people from coming -- they feel there is really not a place for them," she said. "We tailored the different areas and classes to have beginning, intermediate and advanced levels to help."

Students reported the top factors affecting academics are stress, sleep difficulties and illnesses such as colds and flu.

Physical activity, massage therapy and reflection are said to help with stress, according to the Student Life and Wellness Center website. The site adds that physical fitness and relaxation can also help with maintaining restorative sleep, and can also help improve immune systems to fight off illnesses.

Good results are expected to follow the various uses of the center.

"Research has shown that if students have those things in balance they will do better academically," Grubbs said.

It's not just for free-time activities, however.

The facility will provide a new venue for faculty and staff to engage students in real-world experiences and activities outside the classroom, including internship programs, leadership opportunities, class research and projects, and team-building opportunities.

Oftentimes students complain they don't have time or money to eat healthy. In the demonstration kitchen on the first floor there will be classes where students can have samples of food that is good for them, and learn how to prepare it.

"We hope that students will realize you can eat healthfully and it can be cheap," Grubbs said.

In the meditation and reflection area there are three rooms. One faces east to meet the needs of religions that require that. It can be used for silent prayer. Another room can be used for verbal prayer, and a convening space includes a library of resources, screen and projector for conducting workshops.

Much of the second floor is office space, but there is also room for massages, either from licensed massage therapists or in chairs designed for that purpose. There is also a courtyard area that will sometimes host events such as farmers' markets.

A two-story climbing wall begins on the second floor.

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On the third floor are three basketball courts, also striped to be used for volleyball. Fitness equipment is found throughout the area, along with five fitness rooms. One is used for spin classes. Two have mirrors and can be used for cheer or dance classes or clubs.

There is a multi-activity court that can be used for footsall, lacrosse, indoor hockey and tennis, along with basketball and volleyball. Lockers are available for day use or longer-term rentals.

On the fourth floor, an eighth-mile track offers views of the climbing wall and basketball courts. Much of the facility has been built with large windows to take advantage of the scenery surrounding the structure.

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This summer, UVU plans to offer classes and camps in the center. Classes include bicycle maintenance, hip hop and belly dancing, dutch oven cooking, healthful cooking, essential oils, meditation, financial success and cookie and cupcake decorating. Camps will be offered for basketball, volleyball, youth fitness, cheer and dance.

More information is available at uvu.edu/slwc.

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AllOutOfBubbleGum
Apr 18, 2014, 11:05 PM
It's every bodies favorite new sign

It's funny to read how the developer sees the sign ... It might be a big sign but it's the worlds largest big sign that saves money :haha:

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