[Greco Roman]

I like the tower design, something similar to what you would see in Vancouver. I think it would be a great fit in Winnipeg :tup:

[drew]

^ maybe we are looking at a different tower - but the one I saw didn't look a thing like the "skyscraper-lite" Vancouver style.

The one I saw looked bulky, squat, and flat. So basically it looks like any other 25+ storey structure in Winnipeg...

[1ajs]

hmm maybe theres a reason why its called tower 2... cause its been redesigned ...

[Greco Roman]

^ maybe we are looking at a different tower - but the one I saw didn't look a thing like the "skyscraper-lite" Vancouver style.

The one I saw looked bulky, squat, and flat. So basically it looks like any other 25+ storey structure in Winnipeg...

It reminded me of that cylindrical skyscraper around Robson St. in Vancouver. The other, squareish glass building also looked Vancouveresque, but in a Hong Kong sort of style. This new one doesn't at all, IMO. Looks more North American.

[c vist]

You can add one more...Unless something has changed, the Northwest Company was looking for a new headquarters. Currently they are right across the street, and need more space than the current building will hold.

No they are not looking any longer and have committed to renovating their existing building. They will stay right across the street for some time.

[jimj_wpg]

Wawaneesa is looking for a building...but i heard they are going to Sport Manitoba building at 200 main

Yes, this coming July.

[c vist]

I did a cylindrical office tower (& Hotel tower next to it) for downtown a few years ago for a First Nations client (St. Mary b/w Smith & Garry) ... it will probably never come to be now that Governance House is being built near Polo Park. The design was inspired by a vision of 3 towers by the Chief ... the 3rd tower is implied by the landscaping kiddie-corner to the library.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/cvist/office-hotel-72.jpg

[Only The Lonely..]

I did a cylindrical office tower (& Hotel tower next to it) for downtown a few years ago for a First Nations client (St. Mary b/w Smith & Garry) ... it will probably never come to be now that Governance House is being built near Polo Park. The design was inspired by a vision of 3 towers by the Chief ... the 3rd tower is implied by the landscaping kiddie-corner to the library.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/cvist/office-hotel-72.jpg

I like it a lot C Visit..

Why did they move the Governance House proposal to Polo Park?

It would seem logical to me to have such an office either downtown close to other provincial / federal agencies or along North Main as part of a revitalization effort; where a large Aboriginal population can be found.

Do you know if Governance House still going to happen?

[Biff]

I like it a lot C Visit..

Why did they move the Governance House proposal to Polo Park?

It would seem logical to me to have such an office either downtown close to other provincial / federal agencies or along North Main as part of a revitalization effort; where a large Aboriginal population can be found.

Do you know if Governance House still going to happen?


Ahhh, C Vist...you're the one who did that proposal from a few years back. It would have looked nice in that location.


Governance House is still progressing. I think it is in the $30-$40 million range and Number 10 is designing.

[trueviking]

Ahhh, C Vist...you're the one who did that proposal from a few years back. It would have looked nice in that location.


Governance House is still progressing. I think it is in the $30-$40 million range and Number 10 is designing.

number ten will have new web site launched in a day or two...it will have images of the AMC project...i will post them then....it is a nice design in a terrible location.

they moved out there because hydro gave them the land for free....:maddown:

[Boreal]

I agree, I am extremely disappointed with the location. However, although likely not very close in proximity, it will (kind of) keep the Blue Cross building company in the realm of good design.

Just out of curiosity, how many workers is it supposed to hold, roughly?

[1ajs]

I did a cylindrical office tower (& Hotel tower next to it) for downtown a few years ago for a First Nations client (St. Mary b/w Smith & Garry) ... it will probably never come to be now that Governance House is being built near Polo Park. The design was inspired by a vision of 3 towers by the Chief ... the 3rd tower is implied by the landscaping kiddie-corner to the library.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/cvist/office-hotel-72.jpg


only thing i did not like about these towers cvist did is the ground area seemed so sterial and suburban... otherwise i love them

wonder what the woul look like as a 40 30 twins in our skyline?

[newflyer]

only thing i did not like about these towers cvist did is the ground area seemed so sterial and suburban... otherwise i love them

wonder what the woul look like as a 40 30 twins in our skyline?

They are only models.

[1ajs]

They are only models.

aww i know..........

[c vist]

^ The guy who did the rendering was really good but only had the weekend to do a model that was based on my sketches, so I thought it pretty good for the time that was spent on it. He was based in Regina but passed away last year.

[1ajs]

^ The guy who did the rendering was really good but only had the weekend to do a model that was based on my sketches, so I thought it pretty good for the time that was spent on it. He was based in Regina but passed away last year.

not bad for a weekends worth of work for a render. to bad he passed away though

[newflyer]

not bad for a weekends worth of work for a render. to bad he passed away though

Very impressive for the short time indeed.

[viperred88]

number ten will have new web site launched in a day or two...it will have images of the AMC project...i will post them then....it is a nice design in a terrible location.

they moved out there because hydro gave them the land for free....:maddown:

Its never too late, they haven't stuck the shovels in the ground just yet so why don't an agressive developer lure them downtown with the cvist design. I am sure our abundants of parkings downtown can make a great site for this or better yet build it on main by higgins. I am the sure the land is cheap there.

[trueviking]

the urban reserve process is well down the path....it isnt just about the building.

and they actually like the location.

[Archiseek]

I'm sure retailers in the area are ecstatic too....

[rgalston]

I'm sure retailers in the area are ecstatic too....

About as ecstatic I would be if it was to be located on North Main...

[trueviking]

^really why not?....i thought that main street would be the perfect location for an aboriginal governance house....it will be an economic catalyst, attracting hundreds of people a day to it and will be a source of pride for the aboriginal community in manitoba.

downtown hotels and restaurants would benefit from the influx of out of town users of the building....now that activity will happen out at polo park.

isnt that precisely the kind of development that the aboriginal population on north main could use?....something to be proud of and to provide employment for the community?....

[1ajs]

the plp who will work in it are happy cause its close to were they live.........
and they rather not see the plp of north main....

[jimj_wpg]

irony

Yes:

Wind It Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBlfTxyv-8A)

[Archiseek]

^really why not?....i thought that main street would be the perfect location for an aboriginal governance house....it will be an economic catalyst, attracting hundreds of people a day to it and will be a source of pride for the aboriginal community in manitoba.

downtown hotels and restaurants would benefit from the influx of out of town users of the building....now that activity will happen out at polo park.

isnt that precisely the kind of development that the aboriginal population on north main could use?....something to be proud of and to provide employment for the community?....


hopefully it will become a magnet for their downtown brethen and help clear up downtown....
it's getting borderline unbearable downtown with all the permantly wasted natives

[rgalston]

^really why not?....i thought that main street would be the perfect location for an aboriginal governance house....it will be an economic catalyst, attracting hundreds of people a day to it and will be a source of pride for the aboriginal community in manitoba.

downtown hotels and restaurants would benefit from the influx of out of town users of the building....now that activity will happen out at polo park.

isnt that precisely the kind of development that the aboriginal population on north main could use?....something to be proud of and to provide employment for the community?....

I should clarify, that I wouldn't be opposed to a government building being built on North Main. The groups and institutions that used the Aboriginal Centre in the CP Station on Higgins have added a certain degree of life to the area during the day: I see large groups of people--of all ages and nationalities--walking to and from there and surrounding bus stops during the day. I'm sure even the cafe at the Mount Royal Hotel and Main Meats have noticed an increase in business, too.

It's just that I would be extremely skeptical that building a government house would involve demolishing viable old buildings, create a lot more surface parking, bear no relationship to whatever's left of the streetscape, and feature the abysmal architecture usually associated with new Aboriginal-specific buildings in Winnipeg. If designed well, however, it could be great--a large multi-storey building at the NE corner of Higgins and Main, for example, would be a northern vista for Main Street strip.

[trueviking]

you will probably be pleased with the design...it isnt a multi coloured tipi...its an urban looking modernist building...12 stories or so, if i remember correctly......would have been great downtown.

[Jimbo]

hopefully it will become a magnet for their downtown brethen and help clear up downtown....
it's getting borderline unbearable downtown with all the permantly wasted natives

I know what you mean.

I'm sick of being downtown being hasseled by native drunks and bums coming up to me everytime I have a ciggarette "Do you have an extra smoke" "got extra money"

They pester every person until they have to repeat what they do.

It's long past border line unbareable.

[Archiseek]

It's getting to the stage that everytime my boss mentions moving the company to suburbia, the concept of it bothers me less and less

[Greco Roman]

I know what you mean.

I'm sick of being downtown being hasseled by native drunks and bums coming up to me everytime I have a ciggarette "Do you have an extra smoke" "got extra money"

They pester every person until they have to repeat what they do.

It's long past border line unbareable.

Amen to that, brother! And it's getting worse and worse every year.

But the question is can anything be done to rectify the problem, or will downtown just turn into one gigantic ghetto?

[rgalston]

It would only become a ghetto if everyone else leaves. Residents, workers, visitors, shoppers. It's been said a billion times, but you don't notice the panhandler when there's fifty other people on the sidewalk.

[Greco Roman]

I ran into some natives here in downtown Edmonton on Saturday night. I mentionned that I'm from Winnipeg, and they went on about how rough Winnipeg is with all the natives there. So our reputation seems to follow us nomatter where we go.
:(

[drew]

^ the rest of the country can ignore the aboriginal problems in society because it isn't in their face like here in Winnipeg and NW Ontario.

Instead of playing the blame game in Winnipeg we should be progressive in dealing with the problem, and trying MUCH harder to integrate them into our society.

[ScrappyPeg]

^ the rest of the country can ignore the aboriginal problems in society because it isn't in their face like here in Winnipeg and NW Ontario.

Instead of playing the blame game in Winnipeg we should be progressive in dealing with the problem, and trying MUCH harder to integrate them into our society.

Hasn't anyone learned that you can't force anyone into integration - there are many aboriginals who are integrated, who contribute just as you and I. Unfortunately, I doubt there is much hope to be held for the ones you see shuffling around downtown, the sniffers, drunks etc.

Having said that, if someone has an idea as to how to obliterate the Indian Act.....

I do more reading in this forum than posting - seems to me that much good is going on in this city, just need to keep the momentum and the rest will follow.

[1ajs]

Hasn't anyone learned that you can't force anyone into integration - there are many aboriginals who are integrated, who contribute just as you and I. Unfortunately, I doubt there is much hope to be held for the ones you see shuffling around downtown, the sniffers, drunks etc.

Having said that, if someone has an idea as to how to obliterate the Indian Act.....

I do more reading in this forum than posting - seems to me that much good is going on in this city, just need to keep the momentum and the rest will follow.

the indian act let it bee....... we should talk to the natives that contribute to society and see what they have to say about the issues that face their peoples.............

anyhow idea that i have had in my head for long time

buy up a town and give all the free boose and drugs (drugs that get taken from drug busts) maybe not totaly free like take all the scrap metal ect and have them sort threw it for money credits to the nativew white what ever race but also provide a means for these people to get help if they want it...
crazy idea but.... at least they would be helping society in return for what they seek

[Andy6]

the indian act let it bee....... we should talk to the natives that contribute to society and see what they have to say about the issues that face their peoples.............

anyhow idea that i have had in my head for long time

buy up a town and give all the free boose and drugs (drugs that get taken from drug busts) maybe not totaly free like take all the scrap metal ect and have them sort threw it for money credits to the nativew white what ever race but also provide a means for these people to get help if they want it...
crazy idea but.... at least they would be helping society in return for what they seek

You want to buy up a town and give everyone who moves there free drugs and liquor, in return for which they would sort through scrap metal?

[ScrappyPeg]

the indian act let it bee....... we should talk to the natives that contribute to society and see what they have to say about the issues that face their peoples.............

anyhow idea that i have had in my head for long time

buy up a town and give all the free boose and drugs (drugs that get taken from drug busts) maybe not totaly free like take all the scrap metal ect and have them sort threw it for money credits to the nativew white what ever race but also provide a means for these people to get help if they want it...
crazy idea but.... at least they would be helping society in return for what they seek

I think if we are going to be realistic, there will always be a certain amount of apparent 'homeless' people to be found in any city - as others have said in this forum, the best thing would be to continue working on improving the overall pedestrian traffic, in general. Seems that this would make less visible the listerine toting folks.

[1ajs]

You want to buy up a town and give everyone who moves there free drugs and liquor, in return for which they would sort through scrap metal?

somthing like that.

most of them already do that here... going threw the dumpsters looking for anythin g they can get money for at the scrap yard

[1ajs]

I think if we are going to be realistic, there will always be a certain amount of apparent 'homeless' people to be found in any city - as others have said in this forum, the best thing would be to continue working on improving the overall pedestrian traffic, in general. Seems that this would make less visible the listerine toting folks.

and thats why my idea is stupid

[viperred88]

with the new tax credit system created I am hoping land values rise in the core and makes the core too rich for some crackheads on welfare and cochroach hotels to exist in which pushes them to the suburbs like it is suppose to be. But of course thats idealogical scenerio. And then you will have less vagrants and whatnot.

[newflyer]

with the new tax credit system created I am hoping land values rise in the core and makes the core too rich for some crackheads on welfare and cochroach hotels to exist in which pushes them to the suburbs like it is suppose to be. But of course thats idealogical scenerio. And then you will have less vagrants and whatnot.

Well I doubt they'd move to the suburbs.. as the land values in the burbs are much to expensive and fancy. :cool:

How about strongly incouraging people to take ownership of there own lives. Maybe even take pride in having a job and caring for there own property.


GASP ... thats so non-politicaly correct. Oh well just a silly idea.

[1ajs]

with the new tax credit system created I am hoping land values rise in the core and makes the core too rich for some crackheads on welfare and cochroach hotels to exist in which pushes them to the suburbs like it is suppose to be. But of course thats idealogical scenerio. And then you will have less vagrants and whatnot.

not nessarly

[1ajs]

Well I doubt they'd move to the suburbs.. as the land values in the burbs are much to expensive and fancy. :cool:

How about strongly incouraging people to take ownership of there own lives. Maybe even take pride in having a job and caring for there own property.


GASP ... thats so non-politicaly correct. Oh well just a silly idea.

no newflyer one should take pride in what they have and make it beter not wores

[Biff]

And all of these suggestions are going to happen at 100 Main St???

This thread is about 100 Main St. Not FUCKIN Natives!

[Greco Roman]

This thread is about 100 Main St. Not FUCKIN Natives!

I would think it's hard to separate one from the other considering the stigma of the area, no?

[Biff]

I would think it's hard to separate one from the other considering the stigma of the area, no?


Wrong end of Main St.;)

[Archiseek]

Well I doubt they'd move to the suburbs.. as the land values in the burbs are much to expensive and fancy. :cool:

How about strongly incouraging people to take ownership of there own lives. Maybe even take pride in having a job and caring for there own property.


GASP ... thats so non-politicaly correct. Oh well just a silly idea.

you might think that
i might think that
other might think that
unfortunately the people involved don't

[Jimbo]

And all of these suggestions are going to happen at 100 Main St???

This thread is about 100 Main St. Not FUCKIN Natives!

It's one of the problems facing the area. :tup:

[spiritedenergy]

you might think that
i might think that
other might think that
unfortunately the people involved don't

this attitude is pretty racist... natives will be a probelm here as long as there will be racism. Do you know that most of the native people that you see hanging around drunk are actually ill? They do not have our enzymes and are not able to metabolize products like alchool or nicotine... they just get addicted and can't stop drinking and smoking.
It's a doom for them more then for white people i guess...

[Only The Lonely..]

Let's keep to construction...

Hopefully a new tower at 100 main. (fingers crossed)

[newflyer]

Let's keep to construction...

Hopefully a new tower at 100 main. (fingers crossed)

I couldn't agree more... on both counts.

[biguc]

You want to buy up a town and give everyone who moves there free drugs and liquor, in return for which they would sort through scrap metal?

That actually sounds like a decent business plan. Too bad it'd be illegal.

[fengshui]

It sure would be nice if whoever from Corbett developed all of those basic 3D buildings for downtown Winnipeg would post them to the Google 3D warehouse so that they showed up when you activated the 3D buildings layer in Google Earth.

[1ajs]

It sure would be nice if whoever from Corbett developed all of those basic 3D buildings for downtown Winnipeg would post them to the Google 3D warehouse so that they showed up when you activated the 3D buildings layer in Google Earth.

awwyou can manualy download them you know.... along with the espilad riel bridge

[Biff]

Interesting tidbit - i was told that the City actually asked the architect to keep the height down on this project to around the level of the Portage and Main cluster. It was supposed to be a little taller.

[Greco Roman]

Interesting tidbit - i was told that the City actually asked the architect to keep the height down on this project to around the level of the Portage and Main cluster. It was supposed to be a little taller.

Despite my fury, I am yet not that surprised by this at all.

:hell:

[drew]

^ this doesn't really bother me all that much. If we are to get a substaintially taller tower than the P&M cluster, I would rather it was at P&M, not that far removed from it. It would have a better visual impact there.

[flatlander]

You should see the list of names on the Friends of Upper Fort Garry gate letterhead. I wouldn't bet against them.

[Only The Lonely..]

Interesting tidbit - i was told that the City actually asked the architect to keep the height down on this project to around the level of the Portage and Main cluster. It was supposed to be a little taller.

This might be the last new tower Winnipeg gets for another 15 years, let's build her as tall as we can.

[Biff]

This might be the last new tower Winnipeg gets for another 15 years, let's build her as tall as we can.

For what you have seen in the rendering i believe that is a maxed out height for that location. They could probably build higher near P&M because there is no real height limit.

[SmileyBoy]

I'd personally be fine with anything over 300 feet in that area, IMO.

[biguc]

You should see the list of names on the Friends of Upper Fort Garry gate letterhead. I wouldn't bet against them.


If there's an ounce of sense in this process that won't matter. Money talks, and if there's more in the other proposals, they have more chance. All the names in the world can walk like the bullshit they are.

[Biff]

I'd personally be fine with anything over 300 feet in that area, IMO.


It should still come in over 400 feet.

[FFX-ME]

is this thread about an actual proposal or is it just an artist conception of what should be built there?:shrug:

[1ajs]

its an actual proposil thats befor a city panel with 2 other proposils ones a park the other is a mix use building that none of us have seen sept one whos working on it but its around 20 stories if i'm not mistaken...

[flatlander]

Anyone have a link to the shorter proposal?

[1ajs]

Anyone have a link to the shorter proposal?
no

[DLLB]

Despite my fury, I am yet not that surprised by this at all.

:hell:

Sounds just like the shadow nazis in Calgary. The Bow was supposed to 69 stories and around 1000' but the shadow nazis were afraid all the fish would commit suicide because of the shadow on the river. I guess when shadow nazis were going to school nobody ever told them that shadows actually move and that there are no shadows on cloudy days! :hell:

[The Diva]

What the hell is taking so long? I thought we were to become a city that gets things done; less red tape?

[c vist]

Anyone have a link to the shorter proposal?
I'll post the proposal when the political hurdles are crossed, or if we get it on our website like the tower.

[The Diva]

Please just post it, pretty please?

[1ajs]

Please just post it, pretty please?

lol won't work we all tried that already.

[RAFS]

Word is, the City is going to make a decision by the end of May.

[flatlander]

I'll post the proposal when the political hurdles are crossed, or if we get it on our website like the tower.

I was a little surprised to see the other proposal out there. It is supposed to be confidential.

[YogidAbEAR]

so what exactly is proposed to go at 100 main, i browsed threw this thread but didn't come across anything definite, is this all speculation or is there something behind it? a tew office tower would be great for winnipeg IMO

[1ajs]

so what exactly is proposed to go at 100 main, i browsed threw this thread but didn't come across anything definite, is this all speculation or is there something behind it? a tew office tower would be great for winnipeg IMO

3 proposals a park
a new tallest mix us ?
and a mix use 20 something story tower similar in mass to Fort Gary place no render released yet
check the Winnipeg construction front page for images and pdf's

[YogidAbEAR]

thanks

[c vist]

ummm ... Aj ... not similar in any manner to Fort Garry Place (rape of the Acropolis), not even form!

[1ajs]

ummm ... Aj ... not similar in any manner to Fort Garry Place (rape of the Acropolis), not even form!

ok well i just going by what was said few months ago

[Greco Roman]

OK people. Edmonton is planning to build a 40 story building in their downtown, and the city couldn't be any happier. So when is Winnipeg going to get it's shit together and build this damn thing already to add to our aging and puny skyline?

Let's get crackin' :whip:

[c vist]

Edmonton is a million+ and growing ... Winnipeg isn't, so it's not about getting shit together (which I wouldn't want to be part of) ... it's about property value and investment. The best thing we can do right now is get dreamers to invest ... and when water becomes tomorrow's oil, those dreamers will be going to the bank!

[The Diva]

But we also have large firms needing more space; case i point GWL, which constantly acquires companies left and right. Rather than rent space here and there, it should consolodate its operations, and build one office tower. Hell, First National Omaha did, and Omaha received a spectacular new 45 storey tower. Perhaps that company simply has mor epride in its city than GWL does for ours.

[drew]

^ wouldn't it make sense for GWL to expand at it's current site - rather than build a tower away from it's HQ?

I am all for them consolodating into a new tower - but it seems to me that by far their largest presence will always remain on Osborne - and they have tons of space remaining on that property.

[Biff]

^ wouldn't it make sense for GWL to expand at it's current site - rather than build a tower away from it's HQ?

I am all for them consolodating into a new tower - but it seems to me that by far their largest presence will always remain on Osborne - and they have tons of space remaining on that property.


That definately makes the most sense from a business standpoint. They do have lots of available land at Osborne and Broadway. The only thing working against them and hopefully in our favor is that i think they have tried numerous times to develop the backlot of their property only to be met with resistance to any projects. This could be the one time where NIMBY's could work in favor of having a new, tall office building built elswhere.

[The Diva]

Isn't there a height restriction given its (GWL's) proximity to the Leg? I thought I read that somewhere.

[drew]

That definately makes the most sense from a business standpoint. They do have lots of available land at Osborne and Broadway. The only thing working against them and hopefully in our favor is that i think they have tried numerous times to develop the backlot of their property only to be met with resistance to any projects. This could be the one time where NIMBY's could work in favor of having a new, tall office building built elswhere.

^ I was actually thinking about that. If they built along Balmoral - and I lived across the street, I'd probably NIMBY them too. It wouldn't make for a great view out of your front yard, or do anything for property values.

[The Diva]

They can build atop the existing building....

[Only The Lonely..]

They can build atop the existing building....

Pass. :yuck:

Don't get me wrong both of the GWL buildings have their charm, but I wouldn't want to see another 40 stories of 70's blandness.

Hopefully Hydro proves to GWL the utility in having your workforce centralized under one roof.

[BigG]

If any company can build Winnipeg's next tallest, IMHO, it would be GWL.

[1ajs]

lol
yea it would be but whoes behind 100 main??????????????

[Only The Lonely..]

If any company can build Winnipeg's next tallest, IMHO, it would be GWL.

Their certainly big enough, besides every other important personal wealth / insurance company has a skyscraper to call home, why not GWL?

Wachovia HQ in Charlotte, NC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Wachoviahq.jpg/280px-Wachoviahq.jpg

Manulife in Toronto
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Manulife_Centre.JPG/450px-Manulife_Centre.JPG

Manulife in Edmonton
http://blog.mitja.ws/wp-content/20051203KanadaEdmontonManulife_place.jpg

Mutual of Omaha - Omaha Nebraska
http://i14.tinypic.com/3y6m5ut.jpg

Transamerica Pyramid (former home of Transamerica) -S.F.
http://www.physto.se/~linda/photos/berkeley/slides/2005_06070001.jpg

[The Diva]

Pass. :yuck:

Don't get me wrong both of the GWL buildings have their charm, but I wouldn't want to see another 40 stories of 70's blandness.

Hopefully Hydro proves to GWL the utility in having your workforce centralized under one roof.

Hell no. The base of the newer GWL building would not be repeated; rather, 40 stories of sparkling glass curtain will rise atop...

[The Diva]

From Minneapolis...the kind of city Winnipeg was supposed to be....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/225_South_Sixth.jpg/326px-225_South_Sixth.jpg

[Biff]

The tall proposal for 100 Main has only about 120,000 sq ft of office space. The rest is condo apartments. I remember back a while someone saying that Manitoba Lotteries was looking for approx 100,000 to 150,000 sq ft of space. Connections anyone?

[fengshui]

^^I've always thought that was the ugliest tower in Minneapolis. It totally ruins the skyline from almost any angle at a distance.

[The Diva]

Well, thankfully nobody cares what u think....

Hmmm, yeah, what a horrible skyline:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/36851484_0607522b81_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/102536224_8bab8ae9dd.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/219005497_55b14dfa20.jpg?v=0

[Alva360]

Well, thankfully nobody cares what u think....

Hmmm, yeah, what a horrible skyline:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/36851484_0607522b81_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/102536224_8bab8ae9dd.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/219005497_55b14dfa20.jpg?v=0

Your being sarcastic right???

[The Diva]

You bet I am--I love Minneapolis. It is the city Winnipeg should be....

[Alva360]

Yeah I agree......... it is a very nice city!

[Biff]

^^I've always thought that was the ugliest tower in Minneapolis. It totally ruins the skyline from almost any angle at a distance.

It is funny how different people like different things. I have always loved 225 South Sixth tower ever since it was built. I spend a lot of time in Minneapolis and love how it's blue glass and white glowing crown seem to contrast the other beautiful tower - Wells Fargo with its yellow brick and golden lit roof line at dusk.

Opinions vary!:cool: