[shakman]

I had to go down and look. They aren't pouring the floor of the garage, and I am not sure what they have poured, but it sure does not look like a simple floor for a garage. There are pads, foundations, raised containment areas, and something big where the tower would go. These aren't simple slabs for parking. i don't have the background to know what each is for. Anyone have a chance to look and see. Whatever they all are, they are doing a lot of work down there!!!

They are most likely mat slabs. A mat slab is a thin layer of concrete that provides a stable surface which to work off of. Mat slabs are quite prevalent with floating foundations - a foundation system built just above the lowest grade of elevation.

[gymratmanaz]

Thanks for the info.

AND - I have my digital camera with me. I will try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HX_Guy]

Man it's easy to get the pictures on here. If anything, you can email them to me and I'll host and post them.

[NorthScottsdale]

even if the W Scottsdale has some zero occupancy nights, they still get business through their bars/nightclubs in the hotel, as well as people that go to day drink at the pool.. i've been and its always pretty busy there. The main reason the W is going into foreclosure is because of problems with the developer..

[HX_Guy]

Grading, drainage, and concrete permits are in for Block 77 (Patriots Square).

[Vicelord John]

I used to work in the industry, and continue to maintain relationships with those still involved.

I'm primarily just relaying that Starwood has stated publicly that the W Scottsdale is not in danger of closure due to lack of hotel business, rather explaining the issue has to do with it's developer Triyar, who has defaulted on some of it's construction loans. Triyar is overstretched financially, however, because of several developments on it's books, not just the W.

you didn't tell me where you got the information about other hotels having zero occupancy nights.

I know occupancy isn't the main reason for the forclosure, but whether starwood wants to admit it or not, it played a role. Same goes for Montelucia.

And NorthScottsdale, Sushi Roku is NOT happy with their business levels.

[gymratmanaz]

Here is my first try at downloading pics. Cross your fingers...and no making fun of a downloading virgin!!!http://IMG 0332

[AZ KID]

i dont see it :(

What hub are you using to upload the pictures?

[gymratmanaz]

what's a hub?...Like I said, downloading virgin....

[AZ KID]

like photobucket, flicker, or shutterfly. If you put your photo into one of those you can then go to the properties and find the url.

[reguyphx]

I don't think the issue is whether or not downtown needs more hotel rooms or if it would be successful. The real issue is whether RED can get financing to build the hotel. I don't suspect they will build the hotel for cash and given the current state of the credit markets it will be some time before they are likely to obtain financing. Construction loans are near impossible to get anywhere in the country let alone a hotel in the metro Phoenix area. Lets be happy with what we got and support the hotels, shops and restauants we do have so that when the credit market improves many of the planned projects and empty lots will be developed.

[HX_Guy]

reguyphx: What are your thoughts on some of the new leases that have been signed due in part to a hotel being part of the project? That seems to be a major selling point of the project and I don't see how they couldn't/wouldn't follow through on that and still expect the tenants to honor their leases.

[gymratmanaz]

The law firms that have signed on to Cityscape have stated that a main reason they came to cityscape is so that their clients could use the hotels on site.

[HX_Guy]

Cityscape update pics thanks to gymratmanaz:

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/1.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/2.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/6.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/3.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/4.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/5.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapeapril302009/7.JPG

[Vicelord John]

sweet.

[gymratmanaz]

Thanks for posting HX. Nice team effort.

[PhxPavilion]

Another option Red has is to build a smaller hotel in the original footprint of tower two, designed such that more floors could be added in the future for further hotel or condo units.

They may also just forego tower two entirely and construct the small structure to the east of it. I believe this was slated to be the hotel Palomar in the latest renderings.

[gymratmanaz]

Pavillion....What are you talking about? Do you have anything to back up what you are saying, or are you simnply speculating? Facts? contacts? documents?

No offense, but are these your opinions or something you are saying you heard from someone reliable? Speculation is fine, but please say so. The things you have said have been talked about here, but they have never been backed up with anything......or maybe you said this earlier and are repeating yourself.

[glynnjamin]

Come on, building smaller and expanding later never happens. It is always cheaper to just build new, right? I mean, I don't think I have ever seen a structure that is occupied have (more than one) stories added to it. They would have to close down everything below the add-on point. That would mean hotels would close, restaurants, etc. Huge loss of money.

[Luke Skyscraper]

It seems like they have slowed down on installing the glass. Seems like the same 4 floors with glass for awhile.
Can anyone see if they are still working on installing glass?

[gymratmanaz]

there is more on the other side. Not sure why, but the other week they definitely loaded tons of glass on all the floors. No idea why they aren't installing that faster. Maybe the crew is focusing more on getting the floors done and will install all at once later...no idea. I am sure all is well and it will get done. Would be more fun to see the glass rise as fast as the floors are.

[Vicelord John]

Pavillion....What are you talking about? Do you have anything to back up what you are saying, or are you simnply speculating? Facts? contacts? documents?

No offense, but are these your opinions or something you are saying you heard from someone reliable? Speculation is fine, but please say so. The things you have said have been talked about here, but they have never been backed up with anything......or maybe you said this earlier and are repeating yourself.
he said it is an option they have. He didn't say they are gonna, they will, or they have to. He is covering the bases.

get over yourself.

[HX_Guy]

I think the core is officially higher then the Phelps Dodge tower...

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg3/phbob/05012009/050120090942_l.jpg

[Vicelord John]

uh.... jusssssst about.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/haulasshyena/DSC_0012.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

Vicelord...where did you take that picture from? Cool shot for comparison!

[Vicelord John]

from my bedroom

[gymratmanaz]

I thought you camped in an open lot????

[HX_Guy]

27+1 floors (1 for the parapet)

http://nitnelav.com/cityscapetopped.jpg

[Vicelord John]

i reckon it will be taller than that. They will probably build it almost as tall as the crane. From what I have seen, they run the buildings up almost as tall as the crane before they raise it, so it wouldn't make sense if they made it too tall.

[gymratmanaz]

"Reckon"? I totally forgot you were a rough and tough cowboy.

Hope you are correct about being as tall as the crane, but then again HX's picture is the correct # of floors. Time will tell.

[admdavid]

Come on, building smaller and expanding later never happens. It is always cheaper to just build new, right? I mean, I don't think I have ever seen a structure that is occupied have (more than one) stories added to it. They would have to close down everything below the add-on point. That would mean hotels would close, restaurants, etc. Huge loss of money.

It does happen, rarely. The BCBS Expansion in Chicago, adding 25 floors to make 57 total. I'm not sure whether they closed down the existing structure or not.

But, that's Chicago and Phoenix certainly isn't Chicago.

[HX_Guy]

i reckon it will be taller than that. They will probably build it almost as tall as the crane. From what I have seen, they run the buildings up almost as tall as the crane before they raise it, so it wouldn't make sense if they made it too tall.

Not necessarily, look at OCPE after it was topped off. There was just about 2 crane sections above the tower, same as the Cityscape tower.

http://nitnelav.com/DTFeb182009/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMarch92009/101.jpg

[PhxPavilion]

Pavillion....What are you talking about? Do you have anything to back up what you are saying, or are you simnply speculating? Facts? contacts? documents?

No offense, but are these your opinions or something you are saying you heard from someone reliable? Speculation is fine, but please say so. The things you have said have been talked about here, but they have never been backed up with anything......or maybe you said this earlier and are repeating yourself.

I thought I was pretty clear. Red has to work with the budget and demand they have. Though unlikely, those are some of their options. They could very well end up postponing tower two while building the hotel portion to satisfy their tenants.

[plinko]

IIRC, this building has a taller parapet on one side (the 'halo'?) and thus is probably a little taller than what HX has shown in his picture.

If you want to see if it's currently taller than Phelps Dodge, go have a drink at the Compass Room. Another option is the view from Central at Dobbins, just before it curves and goes into South Mountain Park...that's about the roof level of Phelps Dodge.

[HX_Guy]

So I made a post in the Engineering forum to get their insight on what is going on at the Cityscape site...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4227724

Apparently what we are seeing is a "raft slab", which is an indication of a tower being built there, but it could very easily be capped at grade (street level).

[gymratmanaz]

Nice going HX!

[PhxPavilion]

IIRC, this building has a taller parapet on one side (the 'halo'?) and thus is probably a little taller than what HX has shown in his picture.

According to the renders, the parapet is over two floors on the north side and about 1 1/4 on the south side.

[gymratmanaz]

Lots of news.

HX and I were downtown and he has some awesome pictures.

Second big tower crane is up on Cityscape.(third crane if you count the smaller red one). We found out more info.

-This crane is taller than the Luers building, so it will swing 360 degrees. It is only for the garage. They will put a third large crane in for the second tower. They are taking bids to install the third crane. Nothing is definite for a third crane, but if we see one being installed, bet on tower #2 is almost certain. No company will pay to rent a crane if they might not build. The third crane would be installed in a couple of months.

In other words crane #3 = tower #2 !!!!!

They are pouring and framing the elvator shaft for tower #2, which would service both the tower and parking garage.

They are loading glass panels for tower #1 for floors 8, 9, and 10. Flatbed trucks are in lines for unlaoding glass.

PSP has about 1/3 of the park's brick removed.

Looks like they have floor molds for the new garage additions for the area west of the garage so far. Betting they will be pouring cement for that part within the week.

Looks like they have enough dirt removed from the hole in order to push the rest of the dirt ramp into the pit. They have dug deeper than the lowest garage level. My guess is that they did that so they didn't have to remove all of the dirt ramp.

All very positive news. Remember nothing is certain, but positive news is better than bad news. So far, lots of positive!!!

[HX_Guy]

Something doesn't add up about the #3 tower crane that they are saying will go up for the hotel/condo tower.

Two people have said that this third tower crane would go up on the SE corner of the lot...but the tower portion of project will be going up at the SW corner. How could the crane be so far away from the tower itself...doesn't it have to be anchored to the building as it's going up?

Also, the guy today said this #3 crane would go up in a few months...but doesn't the foundation of the tower crane have to go into the bottom of the pit right now, to anchor it? That is what I recall being told by the guy from Hunt Construction, that the first few portions of the crane have to go in before the parking garage is built, then the crane would be cemented/encased within the parking garage.
Unless of course they aren't building the whole parking garage right now...maybe just the SW and NW portions, leaving the SE portion last.

Either way, seems like no one really knows what's going on but here are pictures from today...

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/6.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay22009/7.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

Good point about crane #3 having to be imbedded in the garage. The base would have to go in when they do the garage...Unless you are right, they will wait to do the SE corner till the end, once they have decided to do it or not.

Nice pics...as usual!

[PHX31]

That first pic is money... an angle we've rarely ever (never) seen. It looks like a city with no hideous gigantic parking lots.

[AZ KID]

[QUOTE=HX_Guy]Two people have said that this third tower crane would go up on the SE corner of the lot...but the tower portion of project will be going up at the SW corner. How could the crane be so far away from the tower itself...doesn't it have to be anchored to the building as it's going up? [QUOTE]

Here. http://www.downtownphxrising.org/about_information.asp Look at this video from the cityscape website. It shows the tower crane for tower two exacty where it is now (sw corner). I believe it is at 2:29 in the video.

[PHX NATIVE 929]

What's the story with the parking lot in picture #2? Ownership info? Long-term plans? That's solid property.

[HX_Guy]

Here. http://www.downtownphxrising.org/about_information.asp Look at this video from the cityscape website. It shows the tower crane for tower two exacty where it is now (sw corner). I believe it is at 2:29 in the video.

Unless it's a really short tower, the crane that went up today will definitely not be for the second tower.

They did not install the mechanism onto the crane that would lift up the crane (as the tower rises) which means the tower crane is at it's final height, it will not be raised. The height of the tower crane is 190' above grade.

[gymratmanaz]

As I returned from the movie, WALLE, which was a blast just like last week's DARK KNIGHT, they were still working on the new crane at Cityscape. Sure looks cool with two big cranes. Hopefully soon 3 big cranes.

Yes, crane #2 is only for the garage, and also for a few other things like lifting equipment out of the hole as well. I bet it will also be used for sonstructing the pedestrian bridge over Central Avenue.

[PhxPavilion]

It seems odd to me that they would erect a tower crane at that height just for a five story underground garage when the mobile boom crane they brought in would have worked just as well.

The raft slab looks like the beginning stages of the core for tower two, its footprint matches.

[gymratmanaz]

Pavillio...read previous posts by myself and HX about the slab

The crane has to be taller thanthe Luers building so it can rotate 360 degrees. It has to be able to weather vane ( rotate freely during high wind)

[HX_Guy]

It seems odd to me that they would erect a tower crane at that height just for a five story underground garage when the mobile boom crane they brought in would have worked just as well.

The raft slab looks like the beginning stages of the core for tower two, its footprint matches.

They had Jefferson St closed off yesterday in order to use the mobile crane so they couldn't do that as a permanent solution.

One thing I don't get either is why is the crane so tall for an underground parking garage? I would think it costs extra per each section of crane, no?
And as I said, it still doesn't make sense that an additional crane would go in at the SE corner when the tower will be at the SW corner.

But about the slab, yes, it is the core of tower two. They are building it as if the tower is a go but could cap it off at street level and continue sometime in the future.
I have a feeling the pad at Colliers Center where the hotel was to go is the same...there is probably an elevator core right where the larger white "box" is in the middle of the pad and the stairwell is the smaller white box.
Additionally, there is probably also a tower crane encased in there somewhere too as that would have to go into the soil when they started building the underground garage.
http://nitnelav.com/Collierspad.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

The crane has to be taller than the buildings around it, so it can swing freely 360 degrees. In heavy winds it must be able to weather vane - rotate in the wind, so the crane doesn't bend or snap.

Nice find, HX, on the Collier Center picture. You are correct about all there being capped.

The question i would have is how odd it would look to have the two blocks of businesses, the courtyards with fountains and trees, and inner city park and only 1 tower - flanked by caps on pillars and an elevator shaft. I just couldn't see them leaving it like that. Would be a huge eyesore....but who knows till we get more info?.?.

[HX_Guy]

From Flickr...

May 5th - 20 floors done, 7 floors of glass.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3506006427_b44fc4e5df_b.jpg

[HX_Guy]

New pics thanks to gymratmanaz...

http://nitnelav.com/cityscape050509/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/cityscape050509/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/cityscape050509/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/cityscape050509/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/cityscape050509/5.jpg

[HX_Guy]

Is a new type of glass going in or some sort of paneling? Take a look at the webcam and about floor #8 on the east side of the office tower...

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg4/phbob/05062009/050620091130_l.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

I'm on it later this afternoon! :)

[PHX31]

gymratmanaz... are you a gymrat at the downtown Y? I probably see you there but don't know it.

[Vicelord John]

hx, I'll get you a picture when I get home. I can see it from about floor 7 and up, but I'm at work right now.

[HX_Guy]

You know, I think it's just a reflection...

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg3/phbob/05062009/050620091525_l.jpg

[combusean]

I'm still baffled by how much of the east side of this thing looks like Chase Tower.

[Vicelord John]

wait, upon further inspection of the picture, I'm not goign to take one.

It is blatantly obvious that there are reflections of the ground and buildings up until floor 7, at which point you see reflections of the sky. Floor 8 glass looks different because you're seeing a mirror of the sky.

so yes, HX, you're right. It is a reflection.

[gymratmanaz]

I went down. It is indeed a reflection. All glass is the same.

They finished the frame of the 20th floor.

In the garage there is a ton more rebar, molds, and pillars being added and poured. Once they start to actually pour flooring. I think this will go up quickly.

They also have started to add the rebar wall to the south wall.

All the ramp is gone.

Fun to see both cranes moving at the same time!!!!!!!

[HX_Guy]

A couple new renderings...

First...what's with the tower way way back in the picture? Are they smoking something or what? Isn't that where the historic city hall is?
http://nitnelav.com/cityscaperender0507091.jpg

Second, I hate that the middle is elevated. I don't know why, but I never climb up stairs in these situations unless I specifically have a reason to...whereas if it was at street level, I would stroll through.
http://nitnelav.com/cityscaperender0507092.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

Are those escalators on the left side though?

I kind of like the elevation change. It would be more visible from a distance, drawing you there.

Do these new renderings mean something in terms of tower 2 happening?

I love how tower 2 is cut off in the view, not giving us insight into how tall it would be... :)

[gymratmanaz]

I also like the boulders, stonework, and water feature coming down to elevated stairs. Also, it looks nice, in contrast to the modern buildings. I also like the staggered appearance of tower 2. it gives the eye more to look at, instead of simply a box coming out of the ground.

[CANUC]

A couple of things I noticed. In the renderings the stone façade that separates the floors wraps around the entire building however in the actual building the stone façade is only present on the north and south portions. I wonder if it was removed for value engineering reasons? Maybe it was done intentionally to break up the look of the building. Either way I hope the parapet on top still happens. It looks like its going to add about two floors of additional height.

[gymratmanaz]

and...in the rendering, not that it counts as binding, it looks like there are at least 20 floors above the hotel, which looks to be 10 or 11.

[HooverDam]

Second, I hate that the middle is elevated. I don't know why, but I never climb up stairs in these situations unless I specifically have a reason to...whereas if it was at street level, I would stroll through.

You and everyone else. Why would you go out of your way to have to exert yourself going up stairs, or wait to ride up an escalator if you don't have to? Stupid popped up sections like this are poor urban design that dissuade people from strolling and shopping and ultimately will hurt the businesses on the inside of the development.

EDIT: VV Indeed. The stuff at Colliers would MAYBE work if you had a hotel on the empty pad, and one of its main entrances spilt out onto that 2nd level, right by the BofA, Kincaids and Paradise Bakery, but as it is, its awful.

[glynnjamin]

^Such as the crap that exists upstairs in the Collier Center. That Paradise is open from like 11am-2pm...I dont blame them either.

[HX_Guy]

REVISION TO PLAN REVIEW

Permit# RVSN-0705627-06 Issue Date 5/7/09 Expires 5/7/10

***REVISION***
REVISIONS TO BUILDING CORE AND FOUNDATION WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE RELATIVE TO THE FUTURE SOUTH TOWER CORE.

[gymratmanaz]

What does that mean???????????? good or bad???

[HX_Guy]

No idea what it actually is, but it's a mention of the south tower, which is a good thing, right?

[vertex]

"future" is the key word. I see this glass as half-empty.

[PHX31]

I agree with Vertex... I see it as there is no way the south tower is getting built any time soon.

[HX_Guy]

Well, it does say to the future south tower "core" which I think we can all agree will happen, at least to grade.

[combusean]

The stairs in Collier Center lead you to one of the worst urban mazes ever. A straight shot up and down the 'alleyway' of these two towers isn't the worst thing in the world, and so long everything is clearly visible from the street I don't see a problem.

Besides, they also provide seating for anything that could go in in patriots square, making it a reasonable venue for things like concerts and movies.

the real reason they are there tho is because off-street loading goes on under them. "It's a feature, not a bug" applies to development as well it seems.

[gymratmanaz]

New rendering means positive movement on tower 2.

Glass is more than half full!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HX_Guy]

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/5.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/6.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay082009/7.jpg

[JAHOPL]

Cityscape isn't the only project being cut back from its once grand plans. From another folder:

Port Authority wants to dump three of five proposed skyscrapers for WTC site

BY Douglas Feiden
May 11th 2009

The incredible shrinking World Trade Center will be cut back from five iconic skyscrapers to just two signature towers under a new Port Authority plan, the Daily News has learned.

Bludgeoned by recession and a war with developer Larry Silverstein, the Port Authority is proposing halving the office space it will build at Ground Zero - from 10 million square feet to 5 million, sources familiar with the plan say.

The sources say the agency's new vision for the site calls for scrapping one tower that would have been taller than the Empire State Building and nixing two others that would have dwarfed the nearby Woolworth Building.

In place of two Silverstein behemoths, each designed by a British lord and soaring 79 stories, the PA would erect a pair of short, squat buildings no taller than four or five floors - coined "stumps" - that could be used for retail shops, according to the proposal.

The vastly scaled-back site plan was disclosed to The News hours before Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver on Friday branded budget-busting delays and cost overruns at the 16-acre site an "embarrassment to our city, our state and our nation."

Mayor Bloomberg promptly followed up by inviting all warring parties to a summit meeting this week.

End of master plan

Revamping the sacred spaces where nearly 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 marks a dramatic break from the original 2003 Daniel Libeskind master plan, which called for a row of cascading office towers to replace the 10.4 million square feet of office space destroyed by terrorists.

Although the Freedom Tower will still climb to its symbolic 1,776 feet, and the Memorial will occupy the heart and soul of the site, the showcase buildings designed by world-class architects - on which Silverstein has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars - will be absent.

"It's getting smaller and smaller and smaller," said Enrique Saurez, a dishwasher from Venezuela who worked at Windows on the World, where 73 employees died. "What happened to their so-called master plan?"

What happened was a calamitous credit crisis that dried up bank financing for Silverstein and a fiscal crunch that has led to falling revenues at PA bridges, tunnels and airports - all amid an increase in borrowing costs.

With a squeeze on cash, lenders, Wall Street tenants, the agency and the builder launched a new round of heated talks to determine exactly who will build what - and on what terms it will be financed.

The result is a PA proposal that would:

- Reduce Tower 2, a planned 79-story, 1,270-foot Silverstein building designed by Lord Norman Foster, to a glorified, prettied-up stump.

- Effectively strip control of 71-story, 1,137-foot Tower 3, designed by Lord Richard Rogers, from Silverstein and reduce it to another stumpy building.

- Abandon all plans for Tower 5, slated to go on the toxic Deutsche Bank building site, for the foreseeable future.

[HX_Guy]

Checked out the site today...couldn't get close enough for a picture, all sides were packed with workers/equipment. The sneak peak I got inside the hole, it looked like they may be doing the foundation for a 3rd tower crane...or maybe it was something else, guess we'll see how it develops.

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay142009/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay142009/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTMay142009/5.jpg

[PHX31]

It's actually looking really good. . . and still 7 more floors to go.

[gymratmanaz]

I'll go down tomorrow and check out crane #3 possibilities. Crossing fingers!

Cityscape sure does a nice job in the skyline from the NE !!!

[Vicelord John]

I was going by there last night WB on Washington, stopped at first street. The light was green to go straight, but the red turn arrows were both on (to continue to a right on central, or an immediate right.) Some jackass in a hard hat was in the middle of the street telling people to turn right, and they were all doing it, one almost geing hit by a train because he turned right on red arrow and the train was coming through.

He kept telling me to go so I said "the light is red you fuck. I'm not going to turn just because some jackass told me to." His reply was better than I thought when he said "ok, the crane can just wait for you then." He was talking about the little red crane in the corner. I hope that crane is there to make another crane.

[HX_Guy]

You talking about the red crane that has been up for a while, at Central and Washington? That's not there to make another crane, that's for construction of the parking garage.

[gymratmanaz]

The gravel is graded and there is rebar down for the lowest level of the parking garage section that is south of the first tower plus a bit more.

The rebar is up on about 1/3 of the south wall.

There is another large foundation section south of the fisrt tower, but It does not look like a foundation pedestal for a crane. The 3rd crane will go in the SE corner more.

1/2 of PSP crap is removed and leveled and another 1/4 is demolished and awaiting removal of debris.

A lot more parking garage pillars are set to be poured in the section south of tower #1.

10th story of glass going in.

Will try to get some pictures today or tomorrow....

[NIXPHX77]

nice pix and updates. thanks guys!

[HX_Guy]

New pictures thanks to gymratmanaz.

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/5.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/6.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/7.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/8.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/9.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay172009/10.jpg

[combusean]

The shot with the two tower cranes and the last one is on the money. Thanks!

[Luke Skyscraper]

Are they starting the 22nd floor today?
On another topic, any new activity at the site of the pending courts building?

[gymratmanaz]

Thanks HX for posting my pics. Big time apperciated.

New Courhouse - a little dirt moving, nothing much else new.

They are starting 22nd floor today.

Seeing the two cranes in the same shot was cool. Glad you liked.

PSP park is close to not having any bricks.

There is a new entrance to the PSP parking entrance -elevator wise. They have routed the walking path to the elevator along Jefferson and not through the park. This is so they can demolish that section without halting access to the elevator. It is now looking more and more like the moon, with dirt everywhere and big crators ( the empty round tree wells).

Looks like more of the bottom cement layer will get done today or tomorrow, with more rebar already placed on the graded ground.

[gymratmanaz]

Think we might get an update on occupancy or new tenants?

[gymratmanaz]

The scafolding is up for the flooring of the second level of the parking garage ( the section that is due west of the existing 1st tower).

They are ready to pour the walls of the bottom story of the tower #2 elevator shaft.

2/3 of the rebar is up on the south wall.

More cement pillars are poured for the rest of the garage lower level.

22nd floor of tower #1 is 1/2way done.

almost all of PSP is demolished. Tons of rubble to be carted away. So close to a clean palet!!!

[gymratmanaz]

Pictures to follow.

Second stroy of tower #2 elevator shaft is rebarred

Second floor of garage framed ( West of tower #1 portion)

Most of PSP is demolished

Most of south wall rebar done

Lots more pillars ready for second level of garage

MOST IMPORTANT....might have a picture of the foundation for crane #3 in the SE corner. CROSS YOUR FINGERS!!!

[plinko]

^You'll be sure to let us know when the plumbing supply truck arrives and they start installing the toilets right? ;)

[Vicelord John]

hahahah... plinko.

I'm gonna go camping outside of Cityscape and set up video to one up you gymrat.

[PHX31]

Pictures to follow.

Second stroy of tower #2 elevator shaft is rebarred

Second floor of garage framed ( West of tower #1 portion)

Most of PSP is demolished

Most of south wall rebar done

Lots more pillars ready for second level of garage

MOST IMPORTANT....might have a picture of the foundation for crane #3 in the SE corner. CROSS YOUR FINGERS!!!

Love your updates with gusto, but call them columns. ;)

[gymratmanaz]

Cool, then I can submit an update about you...... I can see it now-

Vicelord pitched a tent and camped in his old haunt in PSP.

Vicelord spent his whole video battery filming the hot girls in orange shirts.

Vicelord is filming me as I take pictures for updating the forum.

Vicelord's rants made the construction workers blush.

Vicelord was arrested putting his handprints in cement.

........ anyone have other Vicelord updates if he were to camp at Cityscape?

[HX_Guy]

Here's new pics thanks to gymrat...

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay202009/3.JPG

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay202009/4.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CSMay202009/5.JPG


This is where gymrat is taking about a possible tower crane location.
The location seems possible, but why is the form so long? If I remember correctly, the other tower crane foundation were square, no? Also, even if we see the base of a crane go up, it doesn't really mean much since they need to do that anyway for any future tower that may go on the site, whether is in 6 months or 6 years.

Additionally, and I've brought this up before, I don't get why a tower crane would go on the SE corner of the lot when the tower portion of the hotel is supposed to go up on the SW corner. Cranes need to be anchored to the tower as it rises...so why would the crane be so far away?
http://nitnelav.com/CSMay202009/6.JPG

[Vicelord John]

Cool, then I can submit an update about you...... I can see it now-

Vicelord pitched a tent and camped in his old haunt in PSP.

Vicelord spent his whole video battery filming the hot girls in orange shirts.

Vicelord is filming me as I take pictures for updating the forum.

Vicelord's rants made the construction workers blush.

Vicelord was arrested putting his handprints in cement.

........ anyone have other Vicelord updates if he were to camp at Cityscape?
the funniest thing is none of that is far fetched. lololololol

[gymratmanaz]

Good man Vicelord!!!

and....for PHX31....COLUMNS it is. No Mas Pillars

[plinko]

Given the size, proportion, and that it is located at the corner of a parking garage, I'm 99.9% sure this footing is for an exit stair...
http://nitnelav.com/CSMay202009/6.JPG

[gymratmanaz]

never thought of a staircase....only reason I was saying crane #3 is that they said they wouod be putting a third crane in that corner should they actually do tower #2.

I know the proportion and size of it is smaller than other crane pads, but I was hoping since it would be anchored to the wall as well that they might not need as big a space......but I am no epxert in this area...just guessing....and hoping.

[HX_Guy]

Again, see what I said earlier. Maybe Plinko can chime in on it...

I don't get why a tower crane would go on the SE corner of the lot when the tower portion of the hotel is supposed to go up on the SW corner. Cranes need to be anchored to the tower as it rises...so why would the crane be so far away?