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HX_Guy
Jul 20, 2009, 7:50 PM
A few more photos that I didn't include in the big photo thread...

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/27.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/28.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/29.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/30.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/40.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/CityscapeTour/33.jpg

Luke Skyscraper
Jul 20, 2009, 9:24 PM
HX,
Did you get to pick anyones brain while on the tour? Did anyone spill the beans regarding Tower #2?
That aside, beautiful photos. Thanks!

phxtempe
Jul 21, 2009, 2:26 PM
I Have Not Been To This Site In Months, Whats New W/ The Plans
Are The Other Bldgs Still Being Built? I Understnad The First One Is Being Topped Off Now, But Whhen Do They Start The 2nd Bldg? And When Is The 3rd? Suppossedly The Economy Is About To Turn Around So I H Ope Sooo..

dtnphx
Jul 21, 2009, 4:40 PM
I Have Not Been To This Site In Months, Whats New W/ The Plans
Are The Other Bldgs Still Being Built? I Understnad The First One Is Being Topped Off Now, But Whhen Do They Start The 2nd Bldg? And When Is The 3rd? Suppossedly The Economy Is About To Turn Around So I H Ope Sooo..

Oh nothing much..check out the past 10 pages and you'll be up-to-date. :haha:

combusean
Jul 22, 2009, 4:03 AM
^ You really don't have to check 10 pages to find the information. HX has posted the latest info very recently ... like on this page. ... scroll up? lol.

Tower 2 won't happen for months, Towers 3 and 4 are completely backburnered.

kingofleos
Jul 22, 2009, 6:12 AM
^ You really don't have to check 10 pages to find the information. HX has posted the latest info very recently ... like on this page. ... scroll up? lol.

Tower 2 won't happen for months, Towers 3 and 4 are completely backburnered.

Translation, it will take a miracle for Tower 2 to get built, a bigger miracle for it to be the tallest, and Towers 3 and 4 will continue to look like an empty lot.

:hell:

glynnjamin
Jul 22, 2009, 9:33 AM
^ Which, really, if you were here 10 months ago and read the forum, a number of us predicted...so not much has changed.

Leo the Dog
Jul 22, 2009, 12:45 PM
At least we got the courts tower going up during the recession to keep us busy. Hopefully that'll get topped off and CS resumes tower 2...

PHX_PD
Jul 22, 2009, 3:21 PM
Two random shots of CityScape in the skyline:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/Phoenixguy/IMG_7959.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/Phoenixguy/IMG_7966.jpg

HX_Guy
Jul 22, 2009, 3:26 PM
That second one is sweet. Imagine how that looked without Cityscape, 44 Monroe, and OCPE...what a huge difference they've made.

PHX31
Jul 22, 2009, 3:28 PM
That second one is sweet. Imagine how that looked without Cityscape, 44 Monroe, and OCPE...what a huge difference they've made.

I was going to say the exact same thing... only I was also going to include the BofA tower and Phelps Dodge (both built within the decade).

kingofleos
Jul 22, 2009, 3:55 PM
That second one is sweet. Imagine how that looked without Cityscape, 44 Monroe, and OCPE...what a huge difference they've made.

If you want I could show off my horrible Paint skills and take those buildings out to see what it'd look like.

Unless someone else is already working on it.

Teacher_AZ_84
Jul 22, 2009, 4:23 PM
The second photo is beautiful.

HX_Guy
Jul 22, 2009, 7:28 PM
CVS building permit issued today...it means they can actually start constructing this thing, hopefully we see some walls going up soon.

Permit# BLD-T503964 Issue Date Expires 7/22/11
Permit Description CVS
Project 06-5309 CITYSCAPE

DESCRIPTION OF WORK: TENANT IMPROVEMENT OF TI FINSISH OUT SHELL BUILDING TO BUILD OUT CVS PHARMACY, TO INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL, STRUCTURAL, MECHANICAL, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL.

kingofleos
Jul 22, 2009, 7:54 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/kingofleos/OldSky.jpg

Original Source: PHX_PD

This is a rude, lewd and crude finish (used Paint, lol).

Took out OCPE and Monroe and squeezed out CityScape. Would have left the whole version in, but then would have had to paint in or copy and paste Wells Fargo and didn't want to hassle with it.

Teacher_AZ_84
Jul 22, 2009, 8:08 PM
Wow, we've come along way the last couple of years. Thanks for doing it.

Smalisz
Jul 22, 2009, 11:39 PM
I got a call at work today from someone at cityscape asking if we were interested in leasing space for a Mojo Yogurt downtown. I wasnt the one who anwsered the phone but i guess they're giving us a bid. Im not sure if my owner will go for it, the last thing we want is another Citynorth. :(

HX_Guy
Jul 22, 2009, 11:40 PM
Huh? Can you clarify a little bit?

A Mojo Yogurt was already announced for Cityscape.

Vicelord John
Jul 23, 2009, 12:44 AM
I got a call at work today from someone at cityscape asking if we were interested in leasing space for a Mojo Yogurt downtown. I wasnt the one who anwsered the phone but i guess they're giving us a bid. Im not sure if my owner will go for it, the last thing we want is another Citynorth. :(

I feel you left out vital information which may include "I work for Mojo Yogurt" or perhaps "the owner of mojo yogurt got a call from xxx regarding leasing space in their building."

english, do you speak it?

Smalisz
Jul 23, 2009, 7:39 PM
Huh? Can you clarify a little bit?

A Mojo Yogurt was already announced for Cityscape.

We have never announced a mojo yogurt for cityscape, i think your mistaking it for cityscape in NV.

Vicelord John
Jul 23, 2009, 7:45 PM
We have never announced a mojo yogurt for cityscape, i think your mistaking it for cityscape in NV.

what the fuck are you talking about? come clean with proof of knowing anything or eat shit.

CityScape: Chef Aaron May and Mojo's Among Nine New Tenants Announced Today

By Jonathan McNamara in Chow BellaThursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 2:31PM
Jonathan McNamara
Chef Aaron May serves hungry Phoenicians at the CityScape topping out press conference.

How do you get 500 Phoenicians to stand outside in the heat at 8 a.m.? If you're Cityscape, you get local chef Aaron May to make them breakfast.

May will be bringing an "Asian noodle house" and "Mexican style restaurant" to the 27-story office tower that will be the first, finished building in the three-block CityScape project. But May is just one of nine new tenants announced today at CityScape's topping out press conference.


Jonathan McNamaya
CityScape's 27-story office tower.
Foodies chomping at the bit for more downtown dining options will be happy to hear that The Breakfast Club and Blu Burger Grille will take up residence in CityScape providing "a one-of-a-kind breakfast restaurant" and "unique, high-quality hamburger experience" respectively. Dessert comes in the form of frozen yogurt from Mojo and Press Coffee's caffeinated cups of joy.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and District 8 Councilman Michael Johnson were also in attendance, but no one reacted with the same amount of glee as Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon. We suspect he's a Press Coffee fan, but he was also quick to point to the significance of city growth in a troubled economy.

"No other mayor gets to do what I get to do today which is talk about new development going up," he said. "We're going for it."

Jsmscaleros
Jul 23, 2009, 7:47 PM
We have never announced a mojo yogurt for cityscape, i think your mistaking it for cityscape in NV.

Who's we?

plinko
Jul 23, 2009, 8:00 PM
1996: (the exact angle isn't possible because the Garage Mahal wasn't there yet)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/plinko923/Phoenix/phx006-1.jpg

2001: (this is pretty close)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/plinko923/Phoenix/phx207.jpg

2009: (thx KingofLeos)
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/Phoenixguy/IMG_7966.jpg

HX_Guy
Jul 23, 2009, 8:02 PM
Yes, who's "we"?

The announcement is in several news reports as well as in RED Developments press release from July 16th.

http://www.downtownphxrising.org/post/news/Topping%20Out%20pressrlease%20-%20final.pdf

Smalisz
Jul 23, 2009, 8:14 PM
what the fuck are you talking about? come clean with proof of knowing anything or eat shit.




1. theres no reason to be hostile.
2. I am Mojo empoyee.
3. I havent herd 1 word about a cityscape location from the owner. I do know we want to open about 20 new stores in the next 18 months but the only one i know of in the works is Scottsdale Quarter.

I will talk to him when hes in...

HX_Guy
Jul 23, 2009, 8:16 PM
Is your owner the regional guy for Mojo or why would he necessarily know about all the happenings of Mojo's in the Phoenix area?

Vicelord John
Jul 23, 2009, 8:33 PM
Is this science museum construction? wow! that dates back I was 12 back then and KJ was the suns point guard. And the grayhound bus terminal was located where garage mahal is?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/plinko923/Phoenix/phx006-1.jpg

Smalisz
Jul 23, 2009, 8:50 PM
Is your owner the regional guy for Mojo or why would he necessarily know about all the happenings of Mojo's in the Phoenix area?

He's the operatior of all the mojos locations.

HX_Guy
Jul 23, 2009, 8:51 PM
He's the operatior of all the mojos locations.

Well then shit, I guess he would know. But like you saw, Mojo has been announced by RED in their press release.

PHX NATIVE 929
Jul 23, 2009, 8:54 PM
I'll go out on a limb here and assume your boss would rather you didn't speak for him on an internet forum.

kingofleos
Jul 23, 2009, 9:00 PM
Is this science museum construction? wow! that dates back I was 12 back then and KJ was the suns point guard. And the grayhound bus terminal was located where garage mahal is?



That's a crazy photo, brings back a ton of memories. I remember that station being there, seems like ages ago.

Speaking of old Phoenix photos, I've been trying to get a screen shot of the beginning of Psycho to see if we can post here. It'd be nice to see that again.

Vicelord John
Jul 23, 2009, 9:05 PM
I'll go out on a limb here and assume your boss would rather you didn't speak for him on an internet forum.

If I were really an ass hole, I could out that guy in five seconds.

kingofleos
Jul 23, 2009, 9:39 PM
If I were really an ass hole, I could out that guy in five seconds.


Soooo, you're just SORT OF an asshole? :cheers:

Vicelord John
Jul 23, 2009, 10:14 PM
that was what I was implying.

HX_Guy
Jul 31, 2009, 6:15 AM
This would rock...

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/07/30/20090730biz-HampM0731.html

"The best location includes a combination of demographics, a mix of nearby retailers and the location itself. She declined to speculate on additional stores in the Phoenix area, although the company has been mentioned as a possible tenant in the developing CityScape project in downtown Phoenix."

glynnjamin
Jul 31, 2009, 6:59 AM
^Would you change your name to H&M Guy?

gymratmanaz
Jul 31, 2009, 7:01 AM
I was just in the H&M in NYC. It would be a huge addition to Cityscape. The place would be a gigantic draw!!!!!!

Aren't we due for another Cityscape announcement???

shawneriksmith
Jul 31, 2009, 2:48 PM
If H&M opened up at CityScape, my wife would be there every day...and I would probably be a broke man. :-) Hopefully it happens...

PhxPavilion
Aug 1, 2009, 6:51 AM
Sounds like the kind of place for me to avoid at all costs.

Horray for dbags with no shirts.

Vicelord John
Aug 1, 2009, 7:44 AM
Money is going to disappear from my checking account like crazy. My gf is a shopper but she doesnt like to go far (biltmore, az mills, etc.) but when a mall comes downtown, fuck. Lame.

HX_Guy
Aug 3, 2009, 9:03 PM
Drop by the site today...

They have removed the small red crane off of Washington and Central. Work was on going with the garage, the elevator core is still at a standstill. There were some workers from BCS on Patriot's Square block, about 6 of them. Nothing much else to report.

HX_Guy
Aug 7, 2009, 8:09 AM
New framing for the Gold's Gym area of the project. The garage is at grade for about 1/2 of the remaining site and rebar has reached up and out of the hole on the east side of the garage. Still not permits for anything related to a south tower though.

http://nitnelav.com/DTAugust62009/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTAugust62009/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTAugust62009/4.jpg

gymratmanaz
Aug 7, 2009, 1:27 PM
Nice to see the gym coming along. I saw them adding to it when I was coming back from LOLO's.

kingofleos
Aug 8, 2009, 5:06 AM
Ok, is it me, or does it look like this photo is stretched? This comes from the 'Progress Photos' from CityScape's website. Doesn't the tower look taller than it really is? Look at Wells Fargo, seems like it's should look shorter and wider to me.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/kingofleos/StretchCity.jpg

Source: http://www.downtownphxrising.org/about_photos.asp

PHX31
Aug 8, 2009, 5:38 AM
Totally... And isn't there something missing from the right side of the picture? Like the Chase Bldg or some other building or two?

kingofleos
Aug 8, 2009, 5:48 AM
Holy shit! I didn't even notice that!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kingofleos
Aug 8, 2009, 6:00 AM
Actually, now that I look at GoogleEarth, it's just the angle of the photo. Which I think is done on purpose to leave out Chase, so we don't all look at the tower and wish it was taller; like Tower 2, which now probably will never get built. Sorry, on my cynical train right now.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/kingofleos/CityFlake.jpg

Source: GoogleEarth

PHX31
Aug 8, 2009, 2:59 PM
yeah, you're right. I didn't think it was possible anyone would go to the lengths to physically remove a building from a picture (and then have the wits to put in that white apartment building in the background)... they probably just purposely used the angle without chase.

I think it is definitely stretched vertically though.

HooverDam
Aug 9, 2009, 3:20 PM
The site from yesterday, August 8th:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7223/dsc0021wvd.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/107/dsc0029e.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2192/dsc0030a.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5903/dsc0031iqb.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1065/dsc0032k.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4356/dsc0042oux.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2262/dsc0043b.jpg

EDIT: VV Ill try, I was too busy trying to not have heat stroke.

Vicelord John
Aug 9, 2009, 4:51 PM
next time you take pictures can you make sure to tell them to start building the other tower?

AZ KID
Aug 9, 2009, 6:20 PM
[QUOTE=HooverDam;4397367]
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5903/dsc0031iqb.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1065/dsc0032k.jpg
QUOTE]

Does anyone know why they have not demolished the remaining psp structures?

HX_Guy
Aug 9, 2009, 6:30 PM
Because there still needs to be access to the underground parking garage, it's still in use and will be.

The plan is to build new elevators from the garage to the street and then demolish the remaining structures.

AZ KID
Aug 9, 2009, 6:37 PM
Thanks HX and also great Hooverdam!

HX_Guy
Aug 10, 2009, 6:22 PM
A bunch of loan stuff associated with Cityscape, though I have no idea what they are...

http://phoenix.gov/PUBMEETC/1008.html



Approval of funding and proposed changes to CityScape Loan with 2002 NMTC Allocation:

· PCDIC as managing member of Phoenix Development & Revitalization, LLC to approve the proposed CityScape loan and sell a portion of Riverside loan to Capmark to fund CityScape Loan


Approval of proposed loan to CityScape with 2008 NMTC Allocation and underwriting agreement with Capmark:

· PCDIC as managing member of PHX Community Ventures, LLC to approve the proposed CityScape loan and enter into underwriting agreement with Capmark in connection with new loan

Vicelord John
Aug 10, 2009, 6:39 PM
after about a week of finishing up the mechanical level, they started putting windows on again.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/haulasshyena/DSC_0006.jpg

HX_Guy
Aug 10, 2009, 6:43 PM
Great picture John.

One thing I've been wondering since the mech. level went up...is the parapet going to cover that thing or will it look as shitty as it does on the Sheraton?

kingofleos
Aug 10, 2009, 8:31 PM
Not to worry, I'm sure CityScape will eventually resort to posting fake Progress Photo's soon. I've already taken the five seconds of copying and pasting for them, maybe they'll hire me?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/kingofleos/City.jpg

gymratmanaz
Aug 10, 2009, 9:08 PM
Our twin towers!!!!!

AZ KID
Aug 11, 2009, 2:45 AM
some photos from today...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/IMG_0511.jpg?t=1249958356

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/IMG_0525.jpg?t=1249958530

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/IMG_0526.jpg?t=1249958608

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/IMG_0529.jpg?t=1249958655

HX_Guy
Aug 11, 2009, 5:28 PM
New street level rendering showing the Gold's Gym and Urban Outfitters looking south from Washington St.

I've gotta say I like how it looks, with the entry facing Washington.

http://www.nitnelav.com/UrbanOut1.png

http://www.nitnelav.com/UrbanOut2.png

gymratmanaz
Aug 11, 2009, 5:47 PM
I like it too. I especially like the tower south of Golds! :)

I bet every restaurant, shop, and business is praying for tower #2!

kingofleos
Aug 11, 2009, 6:49 PM
Hey, gymrat!

Not to worry, since Tower 2 is in the rendering it must mean it's getting built, right? Right?

...and I agree, the rendering looks great. Where did that come from?

Vicelord John
Aug 11, 2009, 6:55 PM
All renderings = sure construction. I learned this over time.

kingofleos
Aug 11, 2009, 7:01 PM
All renderings = sure construction. I learned this over time.


Does that include the Omega Condo Tower? :shrug:

TAZ4ate0
Aug 11, 2009, 7:06 PM
I wish Red or someone would make an announcement soon about the south tower. I just hope for once, someone has the guts to take a risk, and goes ahead and builds it. The economy will get better, and Cityscape is in a prime location to take advantage of that once it does.

Vicelord John
Aug 11, 2009, 7:10 PM
Does that include the Omega Condo Tower? :shrug:

I could make a list of what all it includes, including Omega, but I don't want to.

AZ KID
Aug 11, 2009, 7:11 PM
Is there any way to make the majority of the south tower rental units? This way once the market stabalizes they can switch them into condos or even keep them as they are?

bwonger06
Aug 11, 2009, 9:42 PM
I really cannot see them building rental units until we know how successful Alta Vista is. It is pretty pointless to build the units if no one wants to live there, case in point, Red would be stupid to build condo units because 44 Monroe basically has 10 units sold, and Summit point is on the brink of bankruptcy. I personally do not know, but imo, we will not see a residential condo tower for at least 5 years (when Century Plaza, 44 Monroe, and Summit are close to fully occupied).

Vicelord John
Aug 11, 2009, 9:43 PM
I really cannot see them building rental units until we know how successful Alta Vista is. It is pretty pointless to build the units if no one wants to live there, case in point, Red would be stupid to build condo units because 44 Monroe basically has 10 units sold, and Summit point is on the brink of bankruptcy. I personally do not know, but imo, we will not see a residential condo tower for at least 5 years (when Century Plaza, 44 Monroe, and Summit are close to fully occupied).

I love the addition of words that aren't actually in the names of these places. Alta Vista = Alta Phoenix, and Summit Point = Summit Copper Square. LOL!

bwonger06
Aug 11, 2009, 10:09 PM
I love the addition of words that aren't actually in the names of these places. Alta Vista = Alta Phoenix, and Summit Point = Summit Copper Square. LOL!

hahahah whhoops, thanks for the correction.

Vicelord John
Aug 11, 2009, 10:32 PM
more of a humorous observation than a correction.

combusean
Aug 12, 2009, 12:11 AM
^ Far be it for you to be useful, eh? ;)

renone
Aug 13, 2009, 11:26 PM
I attended a meeting with Phil Gordon today. The meeting was to excite people about what is going on in downtown, so take this for what its worth (hype).

1. The Wachovia building is 80% leased, with other big leases in the works.

2. The decision on how to build (not "if") the south core will occur in the next couple of weeks. The decision that is holding everything up is whether to have the Kimpton hotel on the top or the bottom. Phil's preference is the bottom. They have been in talks with major employers about leasing the 10 floors above the hotel.

3. Numerous new restaurants and shops have shown interest in the project and new announcements will be coming soon.

4. My favorite: The only name Phil Gordon mentioned was that the deal is "almost done" with Lucky Strike. For those of you who have not been to a Lucky Strike, they are awesome hip bowling alleys/bars. The one in downtown denver is extremely popular and it seems like this would be a really great fit.

Again, take it for what its worth, he hedged every statement with "it looks like...". Nothing is concrete.

dtnphx
Aug 13, 2009, 11:35 PM
2. The decision on how to build (not "if") the south core will occur in the next couple of weeks. The decision that is holding everything up is whether to have the Kimpton hotel on the top or the bottom. Phil's preference is the bottom. They have been in talks with major employers about leasing the 10 floors above the hotel.

Wow, that does kind of make sense and if they're trying to time the market as to when it will be done and which sector would be the best fit at the time, I suppose it would be a long discussion. Thanks, Renone!

Sonoran_Dweller
Aug 13, 2009, 11:48 PM
Wow!! Looks really cool. Awesome!!
http://www.bowlluckystrike.com/home

Let's hope it can get done.

HooverDam
Aug 14, 2009, 12:27 AM
The Lucky Strike would be HUGE. I've been to the one in KC, theyre lots of fun. It would give people something to do after other events and being the only one in the state it would be something of a destination of its own. The only thing is, where the heck would it go? Bowling alleys have pretty big footprints.

PhxPavilion
Aug 14, 2009, 12:39 AM
Haha, I just thought of Lucky Strike for my contribution in the visionary thread and here it is, oh well.

There certainly seems to be a lot of interest in Cityscape across the board, I would be pretty surprised now if the second tower doesn't get built and it may even increase back in height.

HX_Guy
Aug 14, 2009, 1:35 AM
Thanks for the update, definitely needed a "hit", was starting to have withdrawls. ;)

I still find it completely nuts that they are trying to figure out what to do with the south tower. Now the hotel might go at the top? I mean, doesn't what they have built so far core wise have any impact on what happens from here on? It's a complete clean slate like that? I don't Know, but it sounds like BS. And then how long will it be until this thing is engineered, designed, permitted, and construction starts? Sounds like minimum 1 year.

Also, so now the mayor is basically confirming that it will be office space in the south tower? And 10 stories? So the whole tower will be 21 floors? (11 for the hotel from what I've read)

gymratmanaz
Aug 14, 2009, 1:35 PM
I suggested a bowling alley months ago!!!!!!!!!! Lucky Strike is awesome. It is a definite draw for fun!!!!!!

Renone, thanks. We needed the good news!!!!!!!

Leo the Dog
Aug 14, 2009, 3:09 PM
I agree with the Mayor. I'd like to see the hotel on the lower floors and the office space on the upper floors.

As for the possible bowling alley/bar, this is great! The more entertainment that comes DT the more of a destination it'll be.

Classical in Phoenix
Aug 14, 2009, 6:20 PM
"Phil's preference is the bottom."

I would have never guessed this.

gymratmanaz
Aug 14, 2009, 8:36 PM
I've been to the one in Vegas. It was really cool!

Eat, drink, and play with balls. Who could ask for anything more?

Vicelord John
Aug 14, 2009, 8:41 PM
last two posts = gay soft porn

CANUC
Aug 14, 2009, 8:52 PM
Before you guys start playing with your balls, let me repeat HX Guy's question; where would a bollowing alley fit? I know they have one in Manhattan so I see that I can fit into a condensed area but even that one is 20,000sqft. I'm looking at the lay out of block and I just don't see it. Maybe on the PSP block?

kingofleos
Aug 14, 2009, 9:01 PM
Maybe on the PSP block?


One would have to assume.

Sonoran_Dweller
Aug 14, 2009, 9:08 PM
Is it possible that it could go in the base of the south tower? Is the south tower going to even have any street fronting retail?

If it can't go on that block then the only possibility would be the PSP block, as CANUC said.

gymratmanaz
Aug 14, 2009, 9:22 PM
I would think that if the hotel is the bottom floors, that they would want the ground level. My guess is PSP, but is all the ground level taken by CVS, Urban Outfitters, and AJs? If not, I think PSP side.....

OR Rooftop of tower #2!!!!!!!!! Bowl with a view!!!!!

gymratmanaz
Aug 14, 2009, 9:24 PM
and sorry Vicelord....no gay soft porn in the last posting..... LOL posting! ;)

Sonoran_Dweller
Aug 14, 2009, 9:30 PM
I would think that if the hotel is the bottom floors, that they would want the ground level.

Yep yep. You're right.

HooverDam
Aug 14, 2009, 9:53 PM
The roof above AJs or where the apartments were formally going to be would be sweet!:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3451/cityscape.tif

Though you'd really have to do something to reduce the noise for the tenants below the 'thud! roll, roll, roll" would be quite annoying.

Vicelord John
Aug 15, 2009, 12:46 AM
Chef Aaron May closes Autostrada
by Howard Seftel - Aug. 14, 2009 03:58 PM
The Arizona Republic Restaurant Critic.
2009 restaurant closings

Citing financial problems - "it's not making any money" - chef Aaron May has closed Autostrada, his 7-month-old Italian restaurant on Market Street at DC Ranch in north Scottsdale.

The situation at DC Ranch may have contributed to Autostrada's problems. May claims that in the last four years, 27 businesses have folded in the complex.

May, whose local empire includes the Lodge, Over Easy and his closing Sunday Sol y Sombra, recently announced plans to open two restaurants in CityScape, the massive downtown Phoenix residential/retail project. Autostrada's closure, May says, will not affect their launch, which is still scheduled for spring 2010. Nor will it impede plans for two other restaurants May hopes to open in 2010.

The economic climate, however, has forced May to scuttle two other projects: one, a Basque restaurant called Leche in Old Town Scottsdale; the other, a collaboration with James Beard Award-winner Robert McGrath called the Ice House, which was to have had branches in Old Town Scottsdale and Market Street at DC Ranch.


P.S. Sol Y Sombra just got added to that list.
And this tool wants to open restaurants in City Scape? I'd say count those tenants out of the project.

gymratmanaz
Aug 15, 2009, 2:45 AM
So what ground levels are taken so far? Golds, CVS, AJs, The Fox Chop House...? I would think, is the SE corner of PSP taken? I think that is open, so I am betting on Lucky Strike going there.

I can't imagine someone putting a bowling ally anywhere but ground level. Sorry Hoover. :)

HX_Guy
Aug 15, 2009, 5:49 AM
So here's what I've been able to dig up...

I got confirmation from RED that they are in are final stages of negotiations with Lucky Strike, it's not final yet, but it looks extremely good.
The Lucky Strike will go above the CVS and be about 18,000 sq ft.

As for the south tower, they are working on determining exact what will be on top of the hotel. They are saying condos is still a possibility but it could be office (all which we've already heard). Something new though...and it's not positive, but expected, is that vertical construction on the south tower isn't going to happen until about 12 months from now.

Vicelord John
Aug 15, 2009, 6:09 AM
12 months now, 3 years tomorrow ..

HX_Guy
Aug 15, 2009, 6:27 AM
Could be I guess...but it does seem like it will happen. The 12 months isn't really a "we're waiting to feel out the market" delay but more the reality of how long it takes to get a project like this to the construction stage. I'm told that the design of the hotel is nearly done...but if they still aren't sure what is going above then they can't start to actually engineer this thing. Even after all that is squared away, it will take 5-6 months to get building permits.

Tranquility
Aug 15, 2009, 6:32 AM
12 months now, 3 years tomorrow ..

Thats just being pessimistic. Although it is understandable.

Sonoran_Dweller
Aug 15, 2009, 7:06 AM
I know there really has not been too much talk regarding residential units, but does anyone know if RED has said if these units will be luxury or 'regular units' for the 'average person.'

HooverDam
Aug 15, 2009, 11:38 AM
^Well at this point I suppose anything is up in the air about the condos but the original idea was to have them be luxury condos. Their site says "brand-new condominiums are marvelously well appointed to reflect your style and preferences." Since in the planning stage it wouldve been the tallest residential tower in the state they wanted to leverage that into some sort of cache I believe. Having the apartments on the PSP block was their affordable housing concession, but sadly those are long gone now. I really wish they could find a way to put them back in though, I think there'll be a market for downtown rentals even beyond Alta and Cityscape needs some people on site 24 hours a day to make it work (though the hotel will help with this too).

gymratmanaz
Aug 15, 2009, 2:12 PM
and....maybe we can be entertained by the PSP side being built up while we wait on tower #2????

Sonoran_Dweller
Aug 15, 2009, 6:18 PM
I just hope RED sees the benefit of implementing residential, preferably affordable housing, into the Tower #2. By the time it not only gets planned, permited, and constructed the housing market should be back to some degree, we would hope so, right? And there is a possibily that downtown will come back roaring, with the implementation of Light Rail and the added amenities of that ASU has brought.

I just do not see hundreds of luxury units helping add to the urban experience of the city. I think that people who have money, at least in Phoenix, are not willing to adjust to the walking, urban, city culture as much as a regular middle class person would. Also with all these luxury units, there is a possibility that rich folkes from the mid-west and northeast are just going to occupy them only for a few months during the winter. At least with mid-class people, there is a higher possibility that they will be used year round.