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gymratmanaz
Dec 27, 2007, 1:32 PM
Because the actual phrase is "You can't eat your cake and have it too."

Most poeple say "You can't have your cake and eat it too." This is wrong because any moron can have a cake, and if you have a cake you can eat it. The trick is to eat your cake and still have it. It is not possible and that is why the correct phrase makes sense.

Damn it is too early in the morning to explain that misconception. I need coffee at LGO!!!

HX_Guy
Dec 28, 2007, 1:57 AM
Tower crane coming down from downtown hotel
Jahna Berry
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 27, 2007 01:42 PM

The tower crane perched on top of the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown Hotel is expected to come down next week.

The departure of the 430-foot crane marks another major construction phase for the 1,000-room hotel, that's scheduled to open October 2008. Construction began in March 2006.

The hotel sits at 455 N. Third Street.

"We are using a crane to take down the tower crane that's attached to the side of the hotel," said Jerry Harper a Downtown Development Office project manager.

It will take workers roughly a week to dismantle the tower crane in sections, Harper said. For the later stages of the job, a 300-ton assist crane - which has been assembled on Second Street - will help take apart the tower crane. The job should be done sometime next week.

The tower crane has been a fixture on the hotel for more than a year and has helped construction workers build key parts of the project. Over the next few weeks, the workers will add Sheraton signs to the sides of the building and will put "eyebrow"-shaped shade structures over the windows, Harper said.

The project will provide badly needed hotel rooms in downtown Phoenix and will help serve the nearby Phoenix Convention Center, which is in the midst of a $600 million expansion.

The $350 million hotel project is financed by revenue bonds, which cover costs for design, construction, debt issuance, legal fees, pre-opening and debt reserves.

The 31-story hotel will be the largest in the state.

gymratmanaz
Dec 28, 2007, 2:15 AM
eyebrow shades over every window? PLEASE SAY THIS WILL MAKE IT LOOK BETTER!!!!!!!

Don B.
Dec 28, 2007, 4:46 AM
^ Lipstick on a pig, methinks. Or perhaps frosting on a turd. Either way, the baleful eye of the Tower of Mordor shall watch over us all. :D

--don

gymratmanaz
Dec 28, 2007, 5:34 AM
Maybe the little awnings will do something to break up th monotony of the 1970's looking Vegas casino wing, until it is blown up like on one of those TV shows about imploding old buildings.

HooverDam
Dec 28, 2007, 6:06 AM
I think the awnings will help a good deal, it'll at least give the building some three dimensionality. I wish they were going up on the North side of the tower as well (even though they wouldn't really be as needed).

sundevilgrad
Dec 28, 2007, 6:42 AM
^ Lipstick on a pig, methinks. Or perhaps frosting on a turd. Either way, the baleful eye of the Tower of Mordor shall watch over us all. :D

--don



Ahh, they're going to try and shine the turd...

gymratmanaz
Dec 28, 2007, 2:25 PM
None on the North???? Damn, that is the visible side though. Plus, won't that put the building out of ballance? It might fall over on the south side, due to the weight of the shades....lol

andrewkfromaz
Dec 28, 2007, 3:40 PM
This thing doesn't look anything like the Tower of Mordor, Don. By comparison, the Tower of Mordor would work great in downtown Phoenix. Maybe we could get Janet to play the ever-watchful Eye, and Mayor Gordon (maybe Terry Goddard would be more analogous) could be the Mouth of Sauron.

neworleans
Dec 28, 2007, 5:18 PM
opening oct huh, to bad it's not going to be open for the super bowl. the renaissance hotel at the westgate is charging around $900 a night.

CANUC
Dec 28, 2007, 5:42 PM
Tower crane coming down from downtown hotel
Jahna Berry
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 27, 2007 01:42 PM

The tower crane perched on top of the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown Hotel is expected to come down next week.

...actually the tower crane on the Sheraton is down already.

Phxbyrd211
Dec 28, 2007, 6:24 PM
yes phoenix missed the super bowl with many of its downtown projects. We sure can plan things seamlessly can't we?

Don B.
Dec 28, 2007, 7:36 PM
This thing doesn't look anything like the Tower of Mordor, Don. By comparison, the Tower of Mordor would work great in downtown Phoenix. Maybe we could get Janet to play the ever-watchful Eye, and Mayor Gordon (maybe Terry Goddard would be more analogous) could be the Mouth of Sauron.

Heh. I love a good LOTR reference.

Yes, the actual Tower of Mordor would never get built in Phoenix, as Sauron would have been stymied by old NIMBY grannies whining about heat generated by taller buildings and cranky old former Phoenix city councilmembers that should probably diminish into the night already. A joint army of elves and man could not bring Sauron to his knees, but BANANAs and NIMBYs can. They are the second most impossible force to stop, next to governmentium.

As for your analogy, who would Sauron be? I was thinking Jerry Coangelo, but he has himself diminished into the East.

--don

andrewkfromaz
Dec 28, 2007, 10:23 PM
Errr, the Eye is Sauron. Are you thinking of Saruman? We could have fun with this.

wissundevil06
Dec 28, 2007, 10:55 PM
I was actually thinking it's time to stop....

andrewkfromaz
Dec 29, 2007, 6:37 AM
^^^^ That works too.

JimInCal
Dec 29, 2007, 10:09 PM
A couple of shots of the imfamous hotel. The tabs are all in place for the installation of the south facing shade structures. Look over at The Summit thread to see the impact the shade structures made to that great building. I agree that they will help add some dimension to the Sheraton's facade. By the time I got to the hotel site the sun was nearly down, so I didn't get the pic's I wanted of the street level. I think the entrance and 2nd Street frontage with the lobby and restaurant will be the Sheraton's saving grace. The entrance with its curves and what looks like a large, oval skylight looks intriguing. I am including a pic of the ongoing phase two of the Convention Center. You can't appreciate the magnitude of the Convention Center until you walk next to it. The place is enormous.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/90e14a9ef1.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/50429638bb.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/81989548f7.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

DracoCaifan
Dec 29, 2007, 10:25 PM
Question.... On the convention center.. Shouldn't there be a conecting bridge between the two buildings if I'm not mistaking?

JimInCal
Dec 29, 2007, 10:44 PM
Question.... On the convention center.. Shouldn't there be a conecting bridge between the two buildings if I'm not mistaking?

DracoCaifan: Yes. It's not completed yet but I did notice some hefty pilasters in the middle of the street between the completed first phase and the phase two building. I assumed that these were the temporary supports for the ped bridge. You can just make them out in my second photo. They are the dark brown "t" shape posts that align with the right side of the Sheraton.

Here is a rendering that shows the pedestrian bridge. It's pretty high up. I like it :tup:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7a25c9c570.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Azndragon837
Dec 29, 2007, 11:49 PM
Because the actual phrase is "You can't eat your cake and have it too."

Most poeple say "You can't have your cake and eat it too." This is wrong because any moron can have a cake, and if you have a cake you can eat it. The trick is to eat your cake and still have it. It is not possible and that is why the correct phrase makes sense.

Damn it is too early in the morning to explain that misconception. I need coffee at LGO!!!

Thanks for the correction with that phrase. :haha:

-Andrew

HooverDam
Dec 30, 2007, 12:08 AM
I know its not the subject of this thread but,

So far I really like the convention center. My only two complaints are, first that it doesn't have enough ground floor retail. Though it does seem like Phase 1 has some places that might eventually be able to be used for small shops or eateries, perhaps they're waiting for full build out. Secondly, the large protruding overhangs don't actually provide much in the way of shade. The beams are too vertical in nature, if they were canted diagonally, they'd block a lot more summer sun.

EDIT: VV Pictures are neat and all, but I've walked down that street in the summer, and know from experience that the awnings don't do diddly. Though when the 2nd building is built, it should help a lot. Luckily they did do an excellent job planting a lot of trees. But on the other downside, they have these rusted steel structures that vines grow up, which look nice, but then at the top, they go horizontal. The vines don't seem to grow horizontally on them, and they provide neither protection from the rain, nor the sun, so they seem somewhat useless (though I like their vine holding function).

JimInCal
Dec 30, 2007, 12:26 AM
:previous: HooverD, look at the rendering I posted earlier today. The street is almost completely shaded. There are angled, slatted sections that provide most of the shade. The only time of day the street would have substantial sun is midday, and there shouldn't be too many pedestrians walking down the middle of the street. I think the shade structures are both functional and a nice aesthetic design element.

PhxPavilion
Dec 31, 2007, 9:08 AM
The scaffolding shown in the second photo is indeed for initial work in preparation of the pedestrian bridge. This will be coming down before the superbowl and then going back up shortly after, whereby the bridge will be installed as one large piece.

I also have to say I agree with HooverDam, the overhangs do very little in the way of shade but the two buildings as well as Symphony Hall block out alot of the sun at most times of the day aside from mid afternoon.

gymratmanaz
Dec 31, 2007, 2:38 PM
every week I am more and more impressed with the convention center.

neworleans
Jan 10, 2008, 7:28 AM
the red sheraton sign and the red on the building don't match and it stands out and makes the building look bad

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/2182716730_b3e1a3e879_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2252/2182716356_fd6ba5fa79.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2297/2181929403_dc9cc402ac.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2181/2181928895_23495c2df7_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2418/2182714898_b8f1df65f9_b.jpg

the gap between the sheraton tower and the arizona republic building is bigger than i thought, although i still think the rooms wont have much of a view

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2181927469_317cd6006a.jpg?v=1199949569

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2181926303_6518bc08e7_b.jpg

JimInCal
Jan 10, 2008, 8:42 PM
[QUOTE=neworleans;3272358]the red sheraton sign and the red on the building don't match and it stands out and makes the building look bad]

neworleans, thanks for all the pic's! If you look a little closer at the Sheraton, you'll notice that it really isn't the color of the sign that makes it look bad ... it's the heinous, piece-of-crap architecture. :yuck:

somethingfast
Jan 11, 2008, 12:49 AM
$300 million for that? You serious? That? Oh man....citizens of Phoenix, you got swindled. Again. Talk about lowest common denominator architecture.

Azndragon837
Jan 11, 2008, 7:23 AM
^Yeah, we kinda figured that out when the building went up. Thanks for the reminder. :-(

PhxPavilion
Jan 11, 2008, 8:02 AM
$300 million for that? You serious? That? Oh man....citizens of Phoenix, you got swindled. Again. Talk about lowest common denominator architecture.


The building is ugly, we get it. It's been said 10 million times already.

I for one don't think it's that bad, aside from the colors.

kevininlb
Jan 11, 2008, 1:56 PM
I've said this before and will probably say it again. I like it - f y'all. ;)

But, you know, hating it is sort of trendy or something. I noticed a few people posting here who say "I hate it, I hate it" have, at others times, contradicted themselves with "I like it." What's that about?

Daltnpapi4u
Jan 11, 2008, 4:49 PM
I've said this before and will probably say it again. I like it - f y'all. ;)

But, you know, hating it is sort of trendy or something. I noticed a few people posting here who say "I hate it, I hate it" have, at others times, contradicted themselves with "I like it." What's that about?

I like honestly... I think people are complaining just to complain... get over it people... its not going anywhere. and another thing be glad this doesnt look like all the other Sheratons around the world... let me tell you they can be some of the most ugliest hotels you have ever seen when it comes to highrises.

tempedude
Jan 11, 2008, 6:18 PM
I don't totally hate the Sheraton either. I kind of like it, but it could have been better, especially the coloration. Have to remember too that it isn't finished yet, and there are a lot of little details yet to be added. What it does do nicely is to help fill out the skyline. Crap you would have to be blind to miss it. :D

Vicelord John
Jan 11, 2008, 6:57 PM
piece of shit is what it is.

I hate the fact that I have to look at this thing every day.

I'll be happy when CPE is done and I can look at that, and Wachovia.

Daltnpapi4u
Jan 11, 2008, 7:07 PM
piece of shit is what it is.

I hate the fact that I have to look at this thing every day.

I'll be happy when CPE is done and I can look at that, and Wachovia.
Well you have a choice DONT LOOK

lol lol lol

Phxbyrd211
Jan 11, 2008, 7:13 PM
If we put up other tall buildings around it then it will rather blend and disappear into the skyline.

vertex
Jan 11, 2008, 7:46 PM
Can't we just grow a gigantic Bougainvillea or Kudzu vine up the sides of this thing instead?

HX_Guy
Jan 17, 2008, 9:31 PM
January 16, 2008

http://nitnelav.com/DowntownJan162008/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DowntownJan162008/5.jpg

andrewkfromaz
Jan 17, 2008, 10:02 PM
Bummer. Still ugly.

zaphod
Jan 18, 2008, 1:12 AM
I don't see what's so bad about it.

It looks slick but solid. I think glassy modernist architecture is overdone these days

HooverDam
Jan 18, 2008, 2:17 AM
I don't see what's so bad about it.

It looks slick but solid. I think glassy modernist architecture is overdone these days

Well if you've ever visited Phoenix, you will see that glassy modernist isn't really overdone here. Nearly all of the buildings in our CBD prominently feature some shade of brown on their exterior, its just tiresome by now. Furthermore the building looks way too much like the Stardust which Vegas recently knocked down. I think we were all disappointed when we found out what a big time architecture firm was going to design the building, and then the results we ended up with.

The building does symbolize some of the downsides of Phoenix government though, a bit too conservative and afraid to take chances.

HX_Guy
Jan 18, 2008, 2:18 AM
THE ISSUE

On June 16, 2004, the Phoenix City Council authorized the formation of the nonprofit Downtown Phoenix Hotel Corporation (the Corporation) to design and build a new, publicly financed, 1,000-room hotel at 3rd Street and Van Buren. The new hotel will meet a vital need for additional hotel rooms in the downtown area.

OTHER INFORMATION

The month of December resulted in numerous construction milestones for the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown Hotel. On December 21 the first exterior sign, the Sheraton crest, was erected on the west elevation of the tower. On December 26 the five-day process of dismantling and removing the last tower crane from the site began, signifying the completion of major work on the vertical portion of the hotel tower. Final preparations are underway as punch-list inspections have progressed through the 11th floor. On January 14, preparation for the installation of furniture, fixtures, and equipment in the hotel’s public spaces and guestrooms began.

On December 3, Leo Percopo began service as the hotel’s General Manager. Prior to working for the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown Hotel, Mr. Percopo served as the General Manager of the 654 room Phoenician Resort where he supervised 110 managers and 1,400 associates since 2005. The Phoenician was named the Starwood Hotels and Resorts Hotel of the Year in 2006. Prior to managing the Phoenician, Mr. Percopo served as the General Manager of the Westin Galleria and Oaks in Houston Texas. He oversaw over 600 employees, and 893 rooms, as well as the $28 million renovation project and grand opening. Mr. Percopo was introduced to the Downtown Phoenix Hotel Corporation board at its meeting on November 5, 2007.

The hotel is on schedule for completion in the Fall of 2008 and will create approximately 1,500 jobs.



I never thought of the jobs aspect of things as one of the benefits of this project, but why not? That's 1,500 additional people in downtown Phoenix which can only help thing progress even further.

DracoCaifan
Jan 19, 2008, 2:34 AM
Hey!! Mr. Percopo was my boss!! He is a cool guy!! Good for him!! Still, The Phoenician is way much better than that tower!! Well, anything would be better.... he he he he

PhxPavilion
Jan 19, 2008, 9:06 AM
Hey!! Mr. Percopo was my boss!! He is a cool guy!! Good for him!! Still, The Phoenician is way much better than that tower!! Well, anything would be better.... he he he he

I like it more than the Hyatt or horrid Wyndam.

DracoCaifan
Jan 20, 2008, 2:18 AM
I like it more than the Hyatt or horrid Wyndam.

I like the Hyatt better at least it has a revolving restaurant at the top and you can have a much better view than just looking from one of those tiny windows.... just my opinion!! If some people like it that's fine.... on the other side... I rather have that tower than a parking lot..... So I don't completely hate it....

AZ KID
Jan 20, 2008, 5:26 AM
Well thats for sure. The purpose of the Sheraton was to add much needed hotel rooms and it will definitely do that. Its just a bummer that the Sheraton was designed the way it was. It could have been soo much better.

Don B.
Jan 20, 2008, 1:12 PM
Actually, the Tower of Mordor is growing on me. I still think we were hosed in terms of the price paid for what was received, but the structure in question definitely impacts the overall skyline in a good way. Anytime we lose a parking lot for a 30+ story structure can't be a bad thing.

I was driving east on I-10 from the west side and downtown Phoenix is starting to look more appropriate for a city of our size. It's still the most pathetic downtown skyline in North America, but I think we have improved from an F to a D- just by adding a couple of structures.

I was also noticing that you can see Portland Place sticking up above the Deck Park Tunnel as you approach from the west. Even the ASU stuff under construction now is slightly noticeable on the skyline.

I like the fact the downtown skyline is growing. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but this is all good stuff. :D

--don

Locofresh55
Jan 20, 2008, 3:19 PM
Actually, the Tower of Mordor is growing on me. I still think we were hosed in terms of the price paid for what was received, but the structure in question definitely impacts the overall skyline in a good way. Anytime we lose a parking lot for a 30+ story structure can't be a bad thing.

I was driving east on I-10 from the west side and downtown Phoenix is starting to look more appropriate for a city of our size. It's still the most pathetic downtown skyline in North America, but I think we have improved from an F to a D- just by adding a couple of structures.

I was also noticing that you can see Portland Place sticking up above the Deck Park Tunnel as you approach from the west. Even the ASU stuff under construction now is slightly noticeable on the skyline.

I like the fact the downtown skyline is growing. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but this is all good stuff. :D

--don


Don,

I'll take Phoenix's skyline anyday over Tucson's.....all we have a three measley buildings for a skyline. THe only time it looks decent is when you are about 1 mile directly west on Congress. At least Phoenix has newer buildings.

Tfom
Jan 20, 2008, 4:20 PM
Yeah Don,
I have to agree with locofresh. I don't think we are winning any awards here, but there's some pretty lousy skylines in other large cities. Jacksonville and Memphis come to mind. San Antonio is nothing special either. I know we can argue that we are bigger, but we did grow up kinda fast. We dont have anything great, but I wouldn't call us the absolute worst. We still have plenty to complain about though.

tempedude
Jan 20, 2008, 4:51 PM
January 16, 2008

http://nitnelav.com/DowntownJan162008/5.jpg

To me, the upper portion of the lobby area has too much blank space on the exterior. I was wondering if it would looker better if another Sheraton logo ( it wouldn't have to be lighted necessarily ) would improve the appearance. Or, since the hotel is city funded/owned, how would a City of Phoenix medallion/logo look hanging there? Somehow it just seems like its missing something. Otherwise, I do like the lines (curvature) of the lobby/reception area.

HX_Guy
Jan 20, 2008, 5:20 PM
Imagine the skyline we would have if they never would have allowed high rises north of Roosevelt. The buildings in downtown proper would be literally doubled as would the amount of people.

tempedude
Jan 20, 2008, 5:33 PM
^ Yes indeed, It would be awesome if all the buildings along north Central were located in downtown proper. I can picture the density and all the people that could have been. Now I am getting depressed. :(

Hey, but the good thing is, downtown is now a work in progress and we have front row seats. :tup:

vertex
Jan 20, 2008, 6:02 PM
...I don't think we are winning any awards here, but there's some pretty lousy skylines in other large cities. Jacksonville and Memphis come to mind. San Antonio is nothing special either.

Only those aren't peer cities; Phoenix is 3 -5 times larger than those places.


Btw, the lobby looks like a beached Sperm Whale.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

http://nitnelav.com/DowntownJan162008/5.jpg

HX_Guy
Jan 21, 2008, 6:46 AM
Third Street closed between Fillmore and Van Buren map it


The Closure 3rd St. will be closed from Fillmore to Van Buren while the sign for the Sheraton Hotel is installed. This is a very large project which requires the use of a crane.

When? January 20th thru the 26th



Why the hell didn't they put the signs up while the tower cranes were still installed? Wouldn't that have made it much easier and cost effective?

jvbahn
Jan 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
:previous: I think you're asking for a glimmer of rationale in this whole process. That's asking too much, in my opinion.

gymratmanaz
Jan 21, 2008, 1:44 PM
This is the new addition to the building that will make us all change our minds. The Sheraton people have been secretly reading this forum. They have heard our pleas and made plans to make this addition to the project that will change our opinions. They have worked long and hard to fix this mistake. All will be well in the land once they add the sign.

Phxbyrd211
Jan 21, 2008, 10:15 PM
why don't they put some type of Time Square video board stuff on the front of the Sheraton lobby? That and some lights shining up the tower could make it look pretty good at night.

AZ KID
Jan 21, 2008, 10:24 PM
^^^ I agree but i doubt that anything like that is going to happen. Also when are the shade panel things going to be put up?

gymratmanaz
Jan 21, 2008, 11:43 PM
I know they won't need them, but can they put shade structures on both sides It might make it look better to the north.

HX_Guy
Jan 21, 2008, 11:48 PM
You gotta remember they are in this to make money. Spending tens of thousands to put up shade structures on the north face that will not help anything other then aesthetics, therefore not bringing in any money, is not going to happen.

gymratmanaz
Jan 22, 2008, 12:38 AM
If they put them on the north.......I will stay one night in the hotel!!!!! There, now that that is fixed, what's next?

Azndragon837
Jan 24, 2008, 8:25 AM
I was driving to work from the 17 south to the 10 east yesterday (Wednesday morning) and I noticed a very tall boom crane next to the hotel. It appears they were installing the "Sheraton" signs. That boom crane is TALL...taller than the hotel!!!

-Andrew

PhxPavilion
Jan 25, 2008, 9:38 AM
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/nr01/IMG_1116.jpg

You can see the 'raton' on this picture I took today.

PhxSprawler
Jan 25, 2008, 6:29 PM
:previous: Great job parking the car!

NIXPHX77
Jan 25, 2008, 7:33 PM
:previous: citizen arrest, citizen arrest!!

i'm sure Don appreciates the "raton", as in rat (in Spanish)!

jvbahn
Jan 26, 2008, 12:56 AM
You should have rented an Escalade with spinners and a bunch of big-booty-hos(or nappy-headed hos) in bikinis dancing in front of it. Then it might possibly have less to do with the Sheraton sign than this picture.

PHX
Jan 26, 2008, 3:54 AM
That is the coolest car I have ever seen!! Thank you.

neworleans
Jan 26, 2008, 4:10 AM
can someone explain to me why the words "sheraton" are on the narrow section of the roof and not centered on the side that is much larger?

AZ KID
Jan 26, 2008, 5:09 AM
Honestly from that view i think the sheraton looks good.

Cranetastic
Jan 26, 2008, 11:12 PM
I've been trying to figure out why they didn't use tinted glass for those sections that aren't rooms. It throws the look off with the pastel looking lines going vertically. This wasn't in the original renderings. Overall I still thinks it is a decent building. This aspect is bugging me though.

AZ KID
Jan 27, 2008, 1:01 AM
I thought this was a really nice shot that i took today.:)

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8df07b3127cceb430aed913e600000026101BatnDNm4Y4

PhxPavilion
Jan 27, 2008, 11:27 AM
You should have rented an Escalade with spinners and a bunch of big-booty-hos(or nappy-headed hos) in bikinis dancing in front of it. Then it might possibly have less to do with the Sheraton sign than this picture.

Yeah, the picture was meant for a vehicle enthusiast forum. I thought I should post it since it captured the signage half installed.

That is the coolest car I have ever seen!! Thank you.

Thanks, I'm fond of it. :D

combusean
Jan 27, 2008, 12:31 PM
:previous: citizen arrest, citizen arrest!!

i'm sure Don appreciates the "raton", as in rat (in Spanish)!

Technically ratón means mouse. :) Rat is rata.

DracoCaifan
Jan 27, 2008, 9:16 PM
Technically ratón means mouse. :) Rat is rata.


Good point!!

tempedude
Jan 28, 2008, 12:06 AM
I thought this was a really nice shot that i took today.:)

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8df07b3127cceb430aed913e600000026101BatnDNm4Y4

Nice photos all around that you posted in several threads....but this one is better than the rest..it actually makes the Sheraton shine...umm sort of...:tup: :D

AZ KID
Jan 28, 2008, 12:22 AM
Thanks :) I am glad i can contribute.

HX_Guy
Jan 28, 2008, 5:44 AM
January 26th

http://www.nitnelav.com/DTJan262008/9.jpg

http://www.nitnelav.com/DTJan262008/15.jpg

http://www.nitnelav.com/DTJan262008/14.jpg

gymratmanaz
Jan 28, 2008, 12:47 PM
I don't know what it is, but somehow the Sheraton is growing on me. Is it simply the name being placed or time passing? It actually is starting to look OK.

exit2lef
Jan 28, 2008, 1:58 PM
I have no problem with the shape of the building; I just find the light beige color incredibly bland. It's nothing that a coat of paint couldn't fix.

gymratmanaz
Jan 28, 2008, 2:35 PM
Your grab the paint, and I'll grab a few brushes. We're on it!!!!!! Color preference?

shawneriksmith
Jan 28, 2008, 2:43 PM
Yeah, I kinda wished that they had painted the entire building the "Sheraton red" and put the sign and other accents in that dull beige color...would have really brightened up the skyline and make more of a statement.

gymratmanaz
Jan 28, 2008, 3:19 PM
I agree, red sandstone would have been awesome!!!!!! Real or synthetic!

Vicelord John
Jan 28, 2008, 5:34 PM
oddly enough the signs make it look better. But it still sticks out like a sore thumb when I look out my bedroom winder.

Sonoran_Dweller
Jan 29, 2008, 12:27 AM
I have always liked the way the Sheraton looked. But once I saw the pictures that HX Guy posted, I love it even more. It is a great building that looks great. I love the colors and the pattern that the windows make. I find it very soothing to look at.

Thanks HX Guy for some great photos!!!!:)

sundevilgrad
Jan 29, 2008, 12:58 AM
I have always liked the way the Sheraton looked. But once I saw the pictures that HX Guy posted, I love it even more. It is a great building that looks great. I love the colors and the pattern that the windows make. I find it very soothing to look at.

Thanks HX Guy for some great photos!!!!:)

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Edifice
Feb 12, 2008, 3:38 AM
I made a trip from Denver down to Phoenix last weekend and went downtown to check out the progress. I was stunned by the dominance of the Sheraton on the skyline.

I am going to withold final judgment on the appearance and design of the building until it is completely finished, but I could not ignore how much it stood out from the north and from the east. Maybe it is the lighter color in contrast to most of the other buildings, the "slab" effect from the north, or the perceived height from the east that makes it stand out so much.

While I appreciate the design and aesthetic of 44 Monroe, and would rate it to be vastly superior to the Sheraton, it seemed lost in the forest of other buildings.

I really did not expect this building (the Sheraton) to make so much of a statement, good or bad. At this point I will say that it has added some significant density and impact to our "compact" downtown, which is still very much needed.

gymratmanaz
Feb 12, 2008, 4:04 AM
I also noticed something last night. The red signs that are lit with the name and log, really add something to the nighttime skyline.

HX_Guy
Feb 12, 2008, 4:16 AM
I also noticed something last night. The red signs that are lit with the name and log, really add something to the nighttime skyline.

As does the Mid First Bank signage...the skyline is looking a lot more colorful these days.

gymratmanaz
Feb 12, 2008, 5:35 AM
That is what else I saw. I forgot about Mid first....It does make a big night time difference...... More please!!!

loftlovr
Feb 13, 2008, 7:47 AM
HX_Guy- That wide angle lens sure makes a huge difference!
You made the Sheraton look great!

PhxPavilion
Feb 13, 2008, 8:00 AM
I work downtown and often at night, the more I see it the more the Sheraton grows on me (though I never really hated the building to begin with). I like it alot and it makes a huge impact to the skyline.

kevininlb
Feb 13, 2008, 2:28 PM
Had a friend visiting from LA over the weekend. Took him downtown and wihtout any prompting from me, he said: Oh my God, what is that? He was talking about the Sheraton and he meant it in a very good way. There's no denying, it has a commanding presence downtown. And with the signage etc it looks really good, especially (but not limited to) dusk, just as the sun's setting.

gymratmanaz
Feb 13, 2008, 3:58 PM
Sheraton - "You like me. You really, really like me!"

loftlovr
Feb 13, 2008, 6:43 PM
I will admit is has grown on me slightly as far as the impact it has on the skyline.... and the signage and tower base.
But I'm not ready to act like I am 100% pleased with the design....

It's kind of like the overweight, mildly attractive chick that is nice and sweet as can be. I'm still not gonna date her.

gymratmanaz
Feb 13, 2008, 8:13 PM
Baby steps, loftlovr, baby steps.

sundevilgrad
Feb 13, 2008, 9:37 PM
It's kind of like the overweight, mildly attractive chick that is nice and sweet as can be. I'm still not gonna date her.

Yeah, but after you've knocked back a half dozen to a dozen cold ones she's good enough for the night!

gymratmanaz
Feb 13, 2008, 10:05 PM
Did you hear that? I think it was a feminist crying.

Vicelord John
Feb 14, 2008, 2:05 AM
Yeah, but after you've knocked back a half dozen to a dozen cold ones she's good enough for the night!

and the nice thing is chicks like that will give it up with no booze involved... so you only have to buy beer for your self!

neworleans
Feb 14, 2008, 9:35 PM
pleased with it/ what's wrong with everyone!!! the mix of red and brown and tan,the colors of throw-up.
it's not even modern and it's made so cheap, where's the glass facade! last time i saw it i almost thru-up... literally.
For being the richest country in the world, we should be building skyscrapers at least somewhat better than other countries.

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jvbahn
Feb 14, 2008, 10:00 PM
:haha: :previous:

Yeah, but you're also talking about a place that has an actual economy based off of something, which is basically the gas that Phoenicians use to sit in traffic and go from the strip mall to the suburban house. If we kept that money at home, built real cities, then we would care about our architecture looked like. But, you can't expect any architectural quality when you're sealed off from the urban sphere in a car.

andrewkfromaz
Feb 14, 2008, 10:04 PM
I think Dubai will be a hellish place to live when those buildings start to lose some of their luster. Good urban design makes all those tall buildings work, or in Dubai's case, fail.

At least the Sheraton doesn't define our city, b/c I would sue the dictionary people. It certainly has a strong impact, whatever your feelings of that impact may be.