[dave8721]

My guess is this is a buiding that they have always planned on doing 5 to 10 years from now. But now Miami has a new zoning code scheduled (Miami21) to come up for a vote in the next month or so which would have caused a hefty redesign of the ground level components (especially parking) so FECR had to get OBP fully permitted now so it gets grandfathered in with the new code. Now they just have to do a little bit of work every couple of years or so (like slow demolition work) to keep the permit active until they are actually ready to build the thing.

[GREGGYMIAMI305]

Sometimes I Wonder If Miami21 Is A Good Thing

[GREGGYMIAMI305]

FECR RECEIVES MUSP APPROVAL FOR ONE BAYFRONT PLAZA

Landmark project to be Miami’s tallest building

MIAMI, Fla. (July 25, 2007) – Florida East Coast Realty, Inc. (FECR) has received the City of Miami Major Use Special Permit (MUSP) for One Bayfront Plaza, a $1.8 billion development to include two 70 -story mixed-use towers at 100 S. Biscayne Blvd. in downtown Miami. The combined project will comprise two million square feet of rentable office space, 112,000 square feet of retail space and a four-star convention hotel with 850 rooms and 120,000 square feet of exhibition and banquet facilities overlooking Biscayne Bay and Bayfront Park. The property is to break ground in 2011 and should take approximately three years to build.

The signature design by TERRA Architecture will be matched only by the building’s size; the tower is poised to be the tallest building in Miami, at 1,049 feet. Unique will be its steel structure with fluid dampers to absorb wind gusts and its Green designation by LEED. It will also be the first hotel to be built north of the Miami River in 25 years.

“We have a vision for an icon,” said Tibor Hollo, Miami business and community leader and FECR company chairman and president. “As part of my legacy, I want to leave this city with a high-profile building on par with the Chrysler building in New York or the Sears Tower in Chicago, a tower that is home to major banks and law firms.”

Philip Dahan, FECR vice president, added, “MUSP approval confirms that the municipality recognizes the need for downtown to have a signature building that is functional in its multi uses. The futuristic features, pedestrian bridge and minimal environmental and traffic impact will all contribute to a new way of life for this city.”

FECR is also currently developing 2020 Ponce, a premier office condominium in downtown Coral Gables.

FECR was founded 55 years ago and is now co-managed by Hollo’s two sons, Jerome and Wayne. Since inception, FECR has built over 55 million square feet of landmark residential, commercial, industrial, and governmental properties and marinas. Among them are Rivergate Plaza, a mixed-use office tower in Brickell; Opera Tower; Bay Parc Plaza, downtown's premier rental building; and The Club at Brickell Bay. Hollo is also hailed for the development of a significant portion of the Venetia/Grand area, now part of the Arts District, just north of downtown Miami.

A community and business leader that has been integral in changing Miami’s skyline, Hollo was recently honored by the House of Representatives for his contribution to Miami’s growth. In 2006, Catholic Charities Legal Services and the Archdiocese of Miami presented Hollo with the New American Award, which recognizes individual immigrants’ contributions to society; and Florida East Coast Realty was honored by “South Florida CEO” magazine as Best Condo Developer.

FECR is headquartered at 100 South Biscayne Blvd, Suite 900, Miami, FL 33131. Tel: (305) 358-7710. For more information, visit www.fecr.com.
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http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h111/creggy/futurebayfront-2.jpg

Bayfront plaza is the tallest building in this picture and the orange buildings are under construction.

[thedirector]

Maybe I misread, but is the Terra group in this as well. Because Terra group does not play around. They get stuff done and with Tibor it would be great news for this building. But we'll see. Met3 keeps jerking us around.

[William Thayne]

Director what do you mean MET 3 is jeking us around i thought they already started construction on that project. PLease let me know something i dont know.

[Miami Jim]

there is an 800'+ hotel behind One Bayfront. I know there is a rendering out there at SSC that had all the schematics for both buildings. Basically a 1000' and 800' on the same lot. Pretty impressive if you ask me. If all the buildings in just that area get built we are looking at 4 over 600' (Dupont x 2, Met 2 and BofA), one over 700' (Wachie), two over 800' (Met 3 and the hotel) and one over 1000' (One Bayfront). That's not a bad cluster if you ask me.

[Steely Dan]

* many off-topic posts deleted *

if you guys want to have a city vs. city bitchfest, go take it somewhere else on the internet. this thread has been about the One Bayfront Plaza project in Miami, and it will remain about the One Bayfront Plaza project in Miami

[bobdreamz]

^ why not? It's not like the towers are going to collapse. Hong Kong, Shanghai and even New York face the same threats and they build skyscrapers too.

[dave8721]

And I wouldn't say 3 hurricanes in about 40 years is "a yearly basis" either. It always baffles me why midwesterners are so afraid of hurricanes (guess they watch a little too much sensationalized newcasts). When hurricanes hit highrises, they break some windows (no one is generally in them when hurricanes hit by the way), thats it.

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Dave, Emporis.com has the old Kobi Karp redendering of One Bayfronta Plaza. Can we say at this point that it will still be designed by the Terra Group, but with the spire scaled down or has there been a switch back to the Kobi Karp design? :cool:

[WonderlandPark]

Doesn't even start until 2011? The Human species may have evolved past the internet by the time this thing rises.

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Doesn't even start until 2011? The Human species may have evolved past the internet by the time this thing rises.

As I said on SSC, I hope I live to see it, whatever shape it takes. I think the Kobi Karp design on Emporis right now actually goes better with what's already up. The Terra design seems out of place for Miami to me, but I'll take a supertall any way we can get it.

[MiamiSpartan]

Saw in article in the little Coral Gables paper that mentions an observation deck on the top floor...the views from up there would be amazing....!
Damn, I hope this thing gets built...

[hartss]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/northeast/story/434960.html

Miami skyline could reach new heights
By ANDRES VIGLUCCI
You think those new towers rising in downtown Miami are tall?
Well, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Get ready for the Great Leap Upward -- a new class of super-tall skyscrapers that would make those big new high-rises seem like relative pygmies.

Undeterred by the real estate downturn, and aided by a little-noticed relaxation of downtown height limits protecting Miami International Airport's flight paths, two local developers want to take you higher -- over the 1,000-foot threshold, rare heights in the United States outside of New York and Chicago.

On Thursday, the Miami City Commission will consider Maclee Development's proposed Empire World Towers, a pair of rounded residential cloud-busters that would rise 93 stories over Biscayne Boulevard across from Bayside Marketplace. The city's planning board has recommended approval.

Already approved by the commission: veteran Miami developer Tibor Hollo's One Bayfront Plaza, a 1,010-foot glass office tower resembling a twisting, billowing mainsail. The $1.8 billion project, which also includes a shorter hotel tower, would replace an existing 19-story ''high-rise'' at 100 S. Biscayne Blvd., across from Bayfront Park.

Both developers say they fully intend to build. Because of their size and complexity, both projects would take years to design, review, and construct. They wouldn't be finished until the mid-2010s, allowing plenty of time for the sagging market to rebound, the developers say.

Both mega-towers would exceed Miami's current height champ, the 4-year-old, 789-foot Four Seasons Hotel & Tower on Brickell Avenue, by more than 200 feet. That's roughly 20 stories, or what used to be considered a skyscraper in Miami.

`LEGACY'

But why so tall?

''It's begging for it, the site,'' said Hollo, chairman of Florida East Coast Realty, developer of the Omni complex, Venetia and the new Opera Tower. ``We are talking about creating a signature building for the city of Miami. I am laboring here for 52 years, and I wanted to leave a legacy to the city.''

Hollo, 81, says he's spending $35 million on 18 contractors who are working on the plans, including designers Terra Architecture of Coral Gables. So massive is the undertaking that Hollo estimates it will take two years to finish the plans, and as long as two years more for city building officials to review the 8,000-plus pages he expects to generate.

For Maclee chief executive Leon Cohen, going tall is no case of skyscraper envy but of land economics, location and Miami's increasing affinity for urban living.

''We have had to face a lot of resistance to the concept of such a tall building,'' Cohen said. ``Why would anyone want to be up there on the 90th floor?

``It's no longer the Miami you and I knew in 1990. It's metropolitan. There is an opera house nearby, new activity downtown. There is unique interactivity of land and water. People will continue coming here. And there is nowhere else you can be at 1,000 feet and looking directly at the water.''

The $1 billion Empire World Towers, designed by Miami architect Kobi Karp, would wrap around the back and side of the Holiday Inn at Northeast Third Street and Biscayne. Karp said the towers, to be sheathed in blue-green glass to recall Biscayne Bay and connected by three sky bridges, do not strain to be iconic.

''We wanted to keep it simple and sleek and elegant,'' Karp said.

At a time when some local trophy projects have been going to bigger or imported designers, landing such prominent commissions has also been a boon to Karp and Terra principal Ignacio Permuy.

Terra is only 2 years old. Karp's firm, founded in 1996, has extensive projects under way across the world -- including a private city on an island off Belize, a new town in Romania and a monument in Baku, Azerbaijan, that would include the world's tallest flagpole -- but no landmarks of this scope or significance in his hometown. Still, he said he's not taking construction for granted.

''It would be a real honor and pleasure to have these buildings move ahead,'' Karp said. ``Right now, we have to have a kind of wait-and-see attitude.''

OTHER BIG BUILDINGS

If finished today, both towers would be among the 35 tallest in the world, according to Emporis.com, a website that tracks and ranks buildings. Atlanta, Houston, and Los Angeles each have one building taller than 1,000 feet.

But while Empire World Towers would be among the very tallest residential buildings in the United States, it would pale next to the 2,000-foot, 150-floor Chicago Spire, now under way at the mouth of the Chicago River.

And neither Miami mega-tower would approach the height of the world's current tallest, Taipei 101 in Taiwan, which exceeds 1,600 feet.

Until last year, 790 feet was as high as a Miami skyscraper could go because of regulations meant to keep tall buildings from interfering with MIA's flight paths, which go over downtown Miami. Developers and city officials complained that the rules, supported by airlines serving MIA, were overly restrictive.

After long negotiation, airport officials reached a compromise that slightly broadened the area where the tallest buildings would be allowed and increased the top height to 1,010 feet, while lowering heights in some adjacent areas along the Miami River. That means the local rules will more closely mirror federal aviation rules. The Federal Aviation Administration approved the new plan.

''We came to a happy medium,'' said Jose Ramos, chief aviation planner at MIA. ``But 1,010 is it. There will be no requests for variances. The FAA was adamant.''

Designs for both mega-towers are slightly over that threshold. Hollo would like to crown One Bayfront with a 39-foot spire that would bring the building to 1,049 feet. Both must still be reviewed by MIA and the FAA, and the developers said they will comply with height regulations.

If successful, the mega-projects could inspire other super-tall towers nearby, real-estate professionals say.

But areas where current zoning would allow them are limited to Biscayne Boulevard south of Interstate 395 and the West Brickell area, said Miami land-use attorney Lucia Dougherty, who represents Empire World Towers. Since most of the boulevard frontage has new buildings under construction or already approved, it's unlikely to be converted into a forest of super-tall buildings.

The projects have raised few objections aside from concerns over increased traffic. Both are designed to be pedestrian-friendly, concealing massive parking garages and service areas behind screens of shops and offices, and with active storefronts opening to sidewalks. Hollo's project would be certified as green.

''I'm not going for the tallest building,'' Hollo said. ``I was looking for a lasting design. I'm hoping, I am trusting, we have done that.''

[futuresooner]

I definetly prefer this tower over Empire, because the fact it actually looks good. Empire World towers, I honestly don't see it happening, the market in Miami has to still sell all those extra units people bailed on.

[VisionMIA]

I don't think the developers of Empire really care what the market looks like or not...they wouldn't be pushing to build it if they did...I don't think any developer cares in miami period. whatever the market looks like isn't really changing whats happening. they are still building...I guess they know by the time they get to building these towers and completing them which would take years. the market will be differnent. like it's always been the case down here.

[MAH4546]

Borings have been completed as engineers begin to work on determining the proper foundation for the structure:

http://www.hotelinteractive.com/article.aspx?articleid=11296

[bobdreamz]

^ thanks for the article & update MAH but wow 4 years until construction! I wonder if Tibor Hollo would even be alive by then!

[Complex01]

Hmm well its good to hear something is happening. 4 years will go by fast, just watch. In no time soon it will be time for another olympics and election and a new tower in Miami...

:D

[Starsky]

Miami needs its signature tall building that defines the city.

[M II A II R II K]

Looks like it's approved

http://pawst.com/post/586184-miami-super-tall-skyscraper-approved

[peanut gallery]

^ From that link:
Published on 28-08-2007
:shrug:

[M II A II R II K]

Oh. I didn't notice that.

[futuresooner]

It's been approved for a while. Just a waiting game for financing now.

[bobdreamz]

Bayfront Plaza redesign completes

Terra Architecture has announced the completion of its redesign of One Bayfront Plaza, a US1.8 billion dollars landmark project set to redefine the skyline of Miami. Terra Architecture initially won the competition to design what will be Miami’s tallest building in 2006 and has been developing the design of this mixed use project since. An extensive redesign of the project which began last Autumn has just completed with the project now composed of a single 1,010 ft tall iconic tower with unparalleled views of Biscayne Bay.

One Bayfront Plaza is located at the heart of Downtown Miami, encompassing 2 city blocks. The project totals approximately 4 million sq ft, with 1.3 million sq ft of signature Class A office space, an 850 room hotel, 150,000 sq ft of retail area and one of the highest observation decks in the country, all located in the mixed use, 80 storey tower. The project is being designed to achieve LEED Silver certification.

The 850 key, world class, full service hotel, will be supplemented by 120,000 sq ft of banquet and exhibition space to serve significant conventions and meetings as well as the needs of the office and retail components.

The retail component fills the first three floors and will create a parallel destination for the 12 million annual visitors to Bayside Marketplace as well as for the more than 4 million annual cruise ship passengers.

The development schedule remains on track for groundbreaking in 2011 and the completion of the project in 2015.

a few renders that came with the news:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/3546795759_56f5d8995e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3399/3546795899_3eed8c0ea1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3546795865_41d2bf61bb_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3546795965_67dc568548_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3546795805_fc6a86b68b_o.jpg

[shakman]

:stunned:

Holy :censor: !!!

[tdawg]

why not just go another 14 feet to be taller than BofA/Atlanta?

[CHAPINM1]

KICK ASS!!! :banana:I do however agree with tdawg that it should be taller than the BOA in Atlanta. I'm at least glad it's over 1,000 feet and the design is awesome!

[bobdreamz]

why not just go another 14 feet to be taller than BofA/Atlanta?

well the last height we had for this project was 1,049 feet so somewhere in the process we lost another 39 feet. I imagine this probably has something to do with the FAA since Miami International airport is just 5 & 1/2 miles away. It would have been nice to take the tallest title in the Southeast away from Atlanta :D but oh well! At least this project will be a true 1000 footer with actual floors all the way to the top & not some 200 ft. cage crown like BofA has! Anyways I'm just glad this project is still going forward.

[scalziand]

^^Wasn't that 39ft part of the spire that got chopped off or something?

[Steely Dan]

cool to hear that it'll still be a bonafide 1,000 footer.

i've edited the thread title to reflect the new info.

[Complex01]

This is going to be one awesome looking tower. So glad Miami is getting it. Very Kewl...

:yes:

[Patrick]

Just gorgeous! I love the little atrium, and its in the perfect spot in the skyline! I wish they kept the spire though, usually I'm against spires but I think this one fit well with the building.

[NYguy]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3546795805_fc6a86b68b_o.jpg

Definitive for the skyline.

[ummagumma66]

really nice! Hopefully this gets built.

[americanskyscraper22]

this will really add to the miami skyline

[kiwi4life]

this looks magnificant, can't wait to see this rise

[k-sky]

WOW! Miami is soo wonderful and magic! This city is one of my favorite and I can't wait to see this masterpiece standing tall and looking over the ocean. Go Miami Go! :banana:

[Cypherus]

Undeniably the tower looks great in Miami's skyline. Hope it gets built.

[Thymant]

This is a very nice tower. What happened to the second building that was supposed to be in the back of this tower.

[StevenW]

Awesome tower!!!!!!!!! :yes:

[bobdreamz]

This is a very nice tower. What happened to the second building that was supposed to be in the back of this tower.

The second building behind the tower which was supposed to be a hotel has been eliminated from the project.

[N830MH]

WOW! Miami is soo wonderful and magic! This city is one of my favorite and I can't wait to see this masterpiece standing tall and looking over the ocean. Go Miami Go! :banana:

Yeah, I agree. Its looks so gorgeous newest tallest towers. I can't wait to come down there in South Florida. You probably know that I haven't been down there in FLL/MIA for a long time. Its has been lots of changed it for a long time.

[Obey]

Looks cool but I wish they kept the spire. Very exciting for Miami.

[N830MH]

Looks cool but I wish they kept the spire. Very exciting for Miami.

I am completely agree with you this. I think its great to see newest tallest building. I can't wait to see to come down there.

[skyscraperfan23]

This Building proves that miami is the coolest, sexiest city.

[Roadcruiser1]

I am actually glad they are going to build this. It makes me proud that the city one of my Aunt's live in (Miami) is getting it's first 1,000+ footer. I just hope that nothing can stop this building not even during it's construction, and it would stand with an amazing amount of beauty in the Miami skyline. Though I am curious I thought that Miami has another 1,000+ footer at work the Empire World Towers. I think that One Bayfront Plaza would not be the only solo 1,000+ footer in Miami.

[DZH22]

It's a great looking tower, but how can we be so sure that they actually ARE going to build this? There hasn't been a tangible update in over a year and a half.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Actually construction start is planned for this year; but I don't think so.

[Roadcruiser1]

In this economy they would need to find a key office tenant before they can start construction, and that won't be easy to find.

[Boss-ton]

miami can do much better

[NYguy]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/22/2331940/building-inspired-by-apple-store.html

...The Cube is part of Hollo’s ongoing vision for Brickell. A medical center, 60-story residential tower and shopping mall are in the planning stages, Hollo said.

His other projects — the $62 million Mikado hotel in the Omni district and Miami’s tallest skyscraper at 1 Bayfront Plz. are also moving along.

“We’ll hopefully be breaking ground on the Mikado next month,” he said. The 250-room mixed-use hotel is expected to be done by 2014.

Plans for the 1,049-foot Bayfront tower are being drawn up in New York and will be ready next fall, Hollo said. After that, city permits have to be obtained.

[Loqy Lion]

One Bayfront Plaza will act as a symbol of Miami's arrival as a contender to be one of the centers of the world economy.

[Loqy Lion]

miami can do much better

They can and will. Miami will serve as the de facto capital of Latin America.

[RobertWalpole]

This precise tower is proceeding? If so, that's AWESOME news. Amo Miami!

[futuresooner]

"plans being drawn up"

So does this mean the design is changing again?

[skyscraperfan23]

[QUOTE=Loqy Lion;5360467]One Bayfront Plaza will act as a symbol of Miami's arrival as a contender to be one of the centers of the world economy.[/QUOTE


Until this one comes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Locw7_6xcc

[Loqy Lion]

[QUOTE=Loqy Lion;5360467]One Bayfront Plaza will act as a symbol of Miami's arrival as a contender to be one of the centers of the world economy.[/QUOTE


Until this one comes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Locw7_6xcc

I've been under the impression that Miapolis would never happen.

What about the Empire World Towers?

[Roadcruiser1]

They are still being proposed. Originally One Bayfront Plaza was supposed to be over 1,200 feet along with the Empire World Towers, but the FAA shaved 200 feet of height off all 3 buildings.

[bobdreamz]

NYGuy thanks for the Herald article. There is a 17 story office building on the site that the developer owns where One Bayfront Plaza is supposed to rise that still has to be demolished. As for the height this is from the South Florida Business Journal:

Veteran developer Tibor Hollo is considering going from two high-rise towers to one with his plan to build the tallest building in Miami, but he says he isn’t reducing much else on the project.
His alternative vision for the One Bayfront Plaza site, located just southeast of Bayside Marketplace, still would have a hotel, offices and retail space inside more than 3 million square feet of building. The tower would lose some bragging rights by reducing its height from 1,049 feet to 1,010, but it would still tower over its closest competitor in Miami, the 789-foot Four Seasons Hotel and Tower on Brickell Avenue. The building’s haircut would make it just a smidge smaller than the tallest tower in the East – the 1,045-foot-high Chrysler building in Manhattan.
One Bayfront Plaza would become more svelte by losing 300,000 square feet of space, but Hollo still plans to develop 3.4 million square feet on the Biscayne Boulevard site.
“This is an exploration of what’s more beautiful,” said the developer, who heads Miami-based Florida East Coast Realty. “The economics are the lesser issue. The bigger issue is: Does it work and does it look better?”

As for the Empire World towers that project died years ago & I believe the developers went bankrupt.
Miapolis was a "vision" project and never a serious proposal.

[N830MH]

Awesome tower!!!!!!!!! :yes:

I agree. It going to be great! I can't wait to see it. When they will be completion the construction sometime in year of 2015?

[Travis007]

Hopefully this proposal is back on track. A great design, that will surely be the new icon and signature tower for Miami's skyline.

[jd3189]

This is what gonna keep me from leaving South Florida. Should bring Miami up a notch.

[Zapatan]

Absolutely, I love this proposal!

Miami and the USA needs it.

This and the Brickell financial II would drastically change the skyline

[Roadcruiser1]

Out of curiosity what happened to the Empire World Towers which was supposed to rise to 1,022 feet in Miami's skyline?

[futuresooner]

Out of curiosity what happened to the Empire World Towers which was supposed to rise to 1,022 feet in Miami's skyline?

cancelled because of the condo crash

[skyscraperfan23]

cancelled because of the condo crash

Hopefully they will downsize it a bit and EWT will be back.

[Roadcruiser1]

Cancelled because of the condo crash.

Such a shame. They would have had been complementary to One Bayfront Plaza like the World Trade Center to the Empire State Building. I hope something similar would rise down in Miami. I wonder why at the last minute they didn't turn them into mix use buildings.

[N830MH]

Hasn't already gotten approved yet? When they will start construction new super taller tower?

[Roadcruiser1]

Hasn't already gotten approved yet? When they will start construction new super taller tower?

It's approved. Construction should start on 2013 because they have to demolish an existing building to make room for this tower.

[jd3189]

Such a shame. They would have had been complementary to One Bayfront Plaza like the World Trade Center to the Empire State Building. I hope something similar would rise down in Miami. I wonder why at the last minute they didn't turn them into mix use buildings.

Well,if you put it that way,since New York will not have that kind of skyline anymore,Miami could of revived it.

[N830MH]

It's approved. Construction should start on 2013 because they have to demolish an existing building to make room for this tower.

Good! I'm glad to hear it. Let's hope the construction will start sometime in 2013. I can't wait to see it!

[bobdreamz]

It's approved. Construction should start on 2013 because they have to demolish an existing building to make room for this tower.

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/3/7/E/37E1AC2F-BBD5-4EE9-AFE6-77AE695FAD0B.jpg

This is the 18 story building that has to be demolished before they commence construction. The developers are the owners of this building as well and have been developing highrises in Miami since 1969 so I'm not concerned about the viabilty of this project but they proceed with caution hence why they are still in business and didn't lose their shirts in the many cyclical real estate busts of the past. They are also honoring the leases that are still in effect as well.

[WibblyWobbly]

I actually think this building looks ugly. :D

[Zapatan]

Is there an actual height limit in Miami?

The city has an amazing amount of highrises but no supertall buildings, with a few of those it could truly be a world skyline.


PS. someone should make a diagram of this building

[scalziand]

^They did.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=55947

[Zapatan]

^^ oh cool, it's a good one too,

but it doesn't show up on the main USA diagrams page for some reason.

[dave8721]

Updated renderings with a new opening date (2018) posted on SSC by jesus2000.

Website with the new redesign:
http://www.onebayfrontplaza.com/NEW/

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h172/Jbonds84/Scan120320000.jpg

[bobdreamz]

^ great so now we have to wait another 3 years before even constructions starts now? So by the time this building opens it will have been a total of 11 years since it was first proposed to opening day.

[Roadcruiser1]

The new design is terrible. What the hell did these architects do to it? It's disgusting :yuck:.

[RobertWalpole]

Isn't this going to require a massive, pre-lease before construction starts?

[RobertWalpole]

The new design is terrible. What the hell did these architects do to it? It's disgusting :yuck:.

I prefer the original design but like this too.

[Onn]

The new design is terrible. What the hell did these architects do to it? It's disgusting :yuck:.

They made the tower economical, so it could actually be built. Maybe not as pretty, but still over 1,000 feet! :cool:

[Roadcruiser1]

They made the tower economical, so it could actually be built. Maybe not as pretty, but still over 1,000 feet! :cool:

Trust me. Even though I am studying architecture I am certain I can design a building that looks way better than this, and still make it cheap and economical. You don't have to make it look like this to save money. You can use a box design, but make a beautiful facade that would allow it to be unique and still be cheap and economical. You can pick a circular, or oval like design and if you make it attractive it would still be cheap and attractive saving money. Changing a design into a roundish One World Trade Center like building isn't a good idea. It just makes the building look fat.

[NYguy]

Looks like a 2015 start, but still a solid 1,000 foot tower.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/141267986/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/141267986/original.jpg

[bobdreamz]

The new design is terrible. What the hell did these architects do to it? It's disgusting :yuck:.

I prefer the old design as well since it would finally have given Miami a tower with a "pointed" top in it's skyline.

[Zapatan]

YESSSS!!!:D


I love it, hopefully some other projects will emerge within the next 3 years before this goes up.

[Zapatan]

^ great so now we have to wait another 3 years before even constructions starts now? So by the time this building opens it will have been a total of 11 years since it was first proposed to opening day.



Yea it sucks but at least it will likely get built, and the design is amazing.


It should be like 200 feet taller though, that would be better.

[bobdreamz]

^ the FAA won't allow anything higher so an extra 200 feet would be nearly impossible.

[futuresooner]

New design gets my :yuck:

[Zapatan]

^ the FAA won't allow anything higher so an extra 200 feet would be nearly impossible.


for this site, or for the whole city of Miami?

It would be ashame to not see anything taller than this down the road, but you can't complain, this will be an amazing tower, and it looks like its getting built, plus a lot can happen in 3 years.

[N830MH]

^ the FAA won't allow anything higher so an extra 200 feet would be nearly impossible.

Because it was height restrictions. That's why FAA won't allow it. I think they have reduced the floor from 80 to 60 floors. They have stay low.

[Zapatan]

the article states the building is 80 floors. ^


My question was, is it ever possible to see a building higher than this in Miami? or is 1010 feet the max. citywide?

[bobdreamz]

^ the original height for this building was 1,049 feet and zoning allows up to 1,050 feet in the central CBD. I suppose a taller building outside of downtown and not in the flight paths of the airport could be built but I doubt the zoning laws would allow it. This isn't like Houston and their 900 foot Williams tower which is miles away from downtown.

[Zapatan]

But Houston already has two ~1000 footers in the CBD, why would they need to go so far out to build a shorter tower?

They said the building is 1010 feet and 80 floors so it shouldn't have a height decrease or anything. It has gotten approved already hasn't it? :shrug:

That's dissapointing that Miami can't build higher than 1050 in the CBD, but it could still allow for some pretty big buildings to be built there. After all, Singapore has a 919 foot limit (280 meter) and has a great skyline, so it's not all bad, still hope there.

[patriotizzy]

I definitely like the design. Is it better than the previous? I don't think so. However, they're on par with each other, in attractiveness I suppose.

[exMiami]

The new renderings are not yet detailed enough to form an opinion as to whether or not the new design is superior to the old.

It certainly is not either eye-poppingly beautiful or hideous though, but rather something in between.

Either way, it is a great project for Miami.

[jd3189]

^ the FAA won't allow anything higher so an extra 200 feet would be nearly impossible.

Hopefully that might change, since it changed to accommodate this tower. Then we'll still another major American city with supertalls. Miami is a neat location for them. It's like a tropical Chicago by the ocean.

[mthd]

Trust me. Even though I am studying architecture I am certain I can design a building that looks way better than this, and still make it cheap and economical. You don't have to make it look like this to save money. You can use a box design, but make a beautiful facade that would allow it to be unique and still be cheap and economical. You can pick a circular, or oval like design and if you make it attractive it would still be cheap and attractive saving money. Changing a design into a roundish One World Trade Center like building isn't a good idea. It just makes the building look fat.

until you've actually designed a supertall building, i wouldn't say that.

the previously proposed design was awkward and likely tremendously inefficient. the new one, while perhaps not terribly well represented in these renderings, is simple and potentially elegant.

this is not shenzhen. it's miami. simple is better.

[Roadcruiser1]

until you've actually designed a supertall building, i wouldn't say that.

the previously proposed design was awkward and likely tremendously inefficient. the new one, while perhaps not terribly well represented in these renderings, is simple and potentially elegant.

this is not shenzhen. it's miami. simple is better.

I have seen simple buildings that are better than this. Examples include the original World Trade Center Twin Towers, and the Sears/Willis Tower. I didn't say that this building should have a more complex design anyway. I am saying that even a simple building like this one can have a better design.