[James Bond Agent 007]

Alright I closed the other one 'cause it was supposed to be about an earthquake.

Put all weather-related chat here.

[blackc5]

It was sure chilly today... ;-)

[MOPIdaho]

yup sure was, reckon it'll be even colder tomorrow.

[Touray]

Went rockclimbing today in Lworth. There was snow down to 1700 foot in the cascades. The first snow I spotted was just above X38 at the 1700 foot level. A light dusting at that. At the summit there is a good 6 inches at least.

[horatio_the_hermit]

snow me

[tworivers]

Yeah we got about 5" today down here in Portland...

[Black Box]

Excellent thread topic. I was stunned when I heard how cold it was out there. I hope it's cold all week. I get back Thursday. The cold weather makes for brighter and more dramatic autumnal foliage and not all the trees have changed over, yet.

[Dougall5505]

trick-or-treating weather in portland: (thank god no rain!)
5pm Sunny 50 F feels like 46 F wind: From ENE 11 mph
6pm Clear 46 F feels like: 41 F wind: From ENE 10 mph
7pm Clear 43 F feels like: 37 F wind: From ENE 10 mph
8pm Clear 41 F feels like: 35 F wind: From E 9 mph

[Last Chance]

Excellent thread topic. I was stunned when I heard how cold it was out there. I hope it's cold all week. I get back Thursday. The cold weather makes for brighter and more dramatic autumnal foliage and not all the trees have changed over, yet.

Hurry up. They are falling fast.

[Black Box]

^ Has it been windy? I checked out the Space Needle's webcam and upon zooming close in, I still noticed the trees hadn't lost their leaves. Thursday is near, almost here.

[mSeattle]

It was really windy on Sunday early evening in some parts up on the hills and I'm sure in downtown too.

[tworivers]

Sorry Black Box but I think it is supposed to be raining heavily by Thursday...

[OhioGuy]

I spent the afternoon at the Space Needle and over on Capitol Hill today and it definitely was chilly, though the blue skies and sunshine made up for it. What a beautiful day! Mount Rainier and Mount Baker were clearly visible. For the most part the leaves are still on the trees here in Seattle and they're such a beautiful color at the moment. I am soooo impressed by everything so far! This city is a winner. :)

[mcbaby]

are you just visiting seattle?

[James Bond Agent 007]

I want snow. :(

[Touray]

I want snow. :(

Better go to the pass before it turns to slush

[Black Box]

Okay, I guess I'll have to deal with whatever may come. I don't mind the rain. I also want snow. Oh, and I concur, Seattle is totally a winner.

[PuyoPiyo]

In Vancouver WA area, it was VERY cold at the morning, mostly of the times it was very FOGGED, but later during the day, it became sunny. Then when it go to night, it became very cold again. Oddly isn't it

[OhioGuy]

are you just visiting seattle?

I'm just visiting Seattle, though I'd have no problem relocating here if the right job ever came around. :)

[Black Box]

^Do it, move here if you can. Make that one guy in this forum a bit ticked off. He needs no introduction, he is.....

[pdxman]

Ok, this is sort of a weather question: Why is downtown Portland such a wind tunnel in some places? Shouldn't the buildings block it?

[65MAX]

No, the buildings are what channels the air into narrow little wind-swept canyons.

[Drmyeyes]

S.W. Park and Taylor can be amazingly windy on certain days, relative to intersections both south and north of it. I suppose Taylor does have a fairly consistent wall of tall buildings as it drops to the river, but thought the natural geographic contours of the land upon which downtown sits, and features surrounding it set up the conditions for certain intersections to be the wind tunnels they are.

[Touray]

Ok, this is sort of a weather question: Why is downtown Portland such a wind tunnel in some places? Shouldn't the buildings block it?

Its because Portland is at the end of the columbia river. All the air rushes between the mountains.

[James Bond Agent 007]

It's like a hurricane out here right now!

[zilfondel]

rain, rain, rain. The basement at the house I'm staying at is now full of water!

[James Bond Agent 007]

^
God I just hate it when that happens. :(

[mthq]

I guess we pay a price here in Alaska for getting an early snowfall.. latley the temp has been as high as 27F and low at 5F

not fun.. not fun :(

[Black Box]

Yes, it was raining very hard when I left Sea-Tac the other night. My friend who picked me up said it only started raining very hard when he approached the airport, so, go figure. Then came the rain the day after, although I did manage to dodge the worst of it. Yesterday was also such a downpour, but I'm so glad to be back. I took it as a fitting welcome home, you can endure this sort of mess for the beauty that it produces sort of thing. Sure, it can feel a bit too much at times, but there is a price for beauty. I will say, that after weaving my way through Chicagoland, Federal Way will never be ugly to me again. That area has awesome attributes, but for my eyes, beauty is not one of them. Sheesh, I sound Pollyannish.

[alexjon]

Way too hot and muggy

[Touray]

I guess we pay a price here in Alaska for getting an early snowfall.. latley the temp has been as high as 27F and low at 5F

not fun.. not fun :(

You in Wasilla? :haha:

[mthq]

You in Wasilla? :haha:

I'm in Anchorage. I guess the "not fun" comment threw you off though. It's understandable :yes:

[seaskyfan]

I'm resisting the hibernation impulse, and definitely fighting some serious carb cravings.

[Dougall5505]

wow 60 degrees outside...

[sequoias]

Raining a lot here with major flooding out there. I hope I will be able to make it to work tonite.

[VillageIdiot]

Just came back from up at Easton. I've never seen so much water flowing off of those cliffs. They were all like major waterfalls and not the trickiling stream of water like normal. Not to mention all of the standing water on the freeways. There are going to be some very swollen rivers!

[James Bond Agent 007]

I just passed by some parts of Issaquah Creek where it passes under Newport Way (kinda near the hatchery). There is one apartment building whose bottom floor is mostly under water, but fortunately that entire level just just parking. But the people living there are putting up sandbags anyway. There's another apartment right next to it which, if it weren't for this little wall they built, *would* also be flooded. But if the creek rises any higher certain apartments on the lower level of that complex could be in trouble.

[Vashon118]

Ken Schram: Ten reasons to enjoy the rain (http://www.komotv.com/news/4577556.html)

[James Bond Agent 007]

^
Lol.

[OhioGuy]

The rain was unfortunate yesterday because it kept me from being able to take some pictures while I was out and about in Seattle. But the weather was very mild and I had a good time nonetheless. I loved Seattle regardless of the rain. :)

[PuyoPiyo]

Vancouver/Portland was very amazing rainy EVERYDAY for 4 days straight.

[Black Box]

The rain was unfortunate yesterday because it kept me from being able to take some pictures while I was out and about in Seattle. But the weather was very mild and I had a good time nonetheless. I loved Seattle regardless of the rain. :)

If you handled the dark and gloomy drip drop of the last few days and still enjoyed Seattle, it is high time you move up here. The rain is usually a mild mannered pitter patter, not the agressive down pour we've been getting lately. The city has been in good spirits with all of the Election Day results going away from the Bush Doctrine.

[James Bond Agent 007]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003433002_weather16m.html

hursday, November 16, 2006
It's the wettest November on record — already
By Brian Alexander

Seattle Times staff reporter

You've heard the jokes about Seattle's rain: That everyone here has webbed feet, that daylight-saving time here means an extra hour of rain, that the Pillsbury Doughboy has a better tan than Seattle residents.

Welcome to the wettest November in Seattle-area history.

No joke.

Wednesday's storm pushed the rain total at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport past 11.62 inches for the month to eclipse the record set in November 1998. And we're only halfway through the month.

As of 8 p.m. Wednesday, 0.44 inches of rain had fallen at the National Weather Service recording station at Sea-Tac, raising the monthly total to 11.63 inches of rain.

What's more, forecasters say this could wind up as the wettest month in area history if the rain keeps up.

A storm similar in intensity to Wednesday's is forecast to roll in Sunday, bringing more wind and rain.

The end of November is historically the stormiest time of the year for the Northwest, said University of Washington meteorologist Cliff Mass.

"The jet stream is basically moving right over us," he said. "We're right in the storm track."

The wettest month in history here was December 1933, when 15.33 inches fell at the Federal Building in downtown Seattle, before the weather service set up its rain gauges at Sea-Tac. Since Sea-Tac has been the recording station, the wettest month was January 1953, with 12.92 inches.

"It's certainly an oddball year," said Mass. January 2006 already ranks as the area's fifth-wettest month on record with 11.65 inches of precipitation. "It's going to remain stormy for a long period of time."

This storm, along with the storms that flooded parts of Western Washington last week, Mass said, was a product of the Pineapple Express, the term used for storms that follow the jet stream from Hawaii to the Northwest, bringing lots of rain and warm temperatures.

Rain and high winds Wednesday uprooted trees, caused power outages, closed some roads and bridges, disrupted ferry service and turned the evening commute into something that could be called "Survivor: Seattle."

The state Department of Transportation reported wind gusts of 40 mph on the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge across Lake Washington. The Hood Canal Bridge was closed from 11:40 a.m. until about 2:15 p.m. because of high winds.

A downed tree blocked northbound lanes of Interstate 5 near Bellingham.

Power went out in Carnation about 3 p.m., and the fire station had to switch to emergency power.

Trees were reported down in a number of areas south, east and north of Seattle.

In Snohomish County, winds knocked trees onto Highway 530 west of Darrington, taking out power lines and closing the road. A slide closed one lane of Highway 2 near Index.

During the day, an estimated 135,000 customers of Puget Sound Energy were without electricity at some point, along with 5,500 Snohomish County PUD customers and 2,000 Tacoma Power customers. There were still scattered outages Wednesday night.

The King County Road Services Division reported 18 road problems related to the wind and rain.

One situation improved Wednesday, though, as King County completed an emergency-access road to the Upper Preston area. The temporary road along the south embankment of Interstate 90 in the Preston area, about 30 miles east of Seattle, will allow emergency crews to get fire and aid equipment to the area of about 200 homes.

The route was partly destroyed in heavy rains Nov. 6 and later had to be closed completely as more of the roadway collapsed.

The National Weather Service issued a flood watch for most of Western Washington because of the rain. Limited flooding was expected overnight, but nothing compared to last week.

"There's going to be enough rain today [Wednesday] that some of the rivers will get near flood stage," Mass said.

During an El Niño year, like this one, the jet stream will split later in the winter, sending rain and storms to southern Alaska and Southern California, leaving the Northwest relatively dry, Mass said.

But that hasn't happened yet.

Computer models for the next century that show the effects of global warming on the Northwest predict more precipitation in November, though Mass said it's too soon to draw any conclusions about this month.

"One month doesn't prove anything, but it's interesting that all the global-warming simulations were predicting more precipitation in November," he said.

The forecast for next week could be good news for skiers, Mass said.

Computer models show cooler temperatures and significant snowfall in the mountains starting next week, he said.

"Looks like pretty favorable conditions. I have no doubt a lot of the ski places will be open for Thanksgiving."

[zilfondel]

Oh! You mean it was raining?

[sequoias]

Yay for a really WET november for the Pacific Northwest. According to Weatherbug, at least 33 inches of rain total fell this month so far near Forks, WA. They're saying....bah humbug to Seattle because they've seen lots more rain than here. ;)

[MarkDaMan]

what Oregon's newly re-elected governor had to say about these reports on the weather:

"You know, it has been raining in Oregon for millennia," Kulongoski answered. "Because of the way television and media treats weather, you have elevated winter rains in Oregon to a national crisis."

and for those that build close to the streams and cliffs:

"If you want a view, there's always a price to be paid for it," he said. "There's always risk when you build right on the edge."

I was cracking my ass up when I watched him say that last week!

[Black Box]

Steve Poole pulled through yesterday. Oh yeah, so did Jim Castillo. It was beautiful, I didn't even care that I didn't see Mt. Rainier or Mt. Baker during my commute.

[Vashon118]

As of 7:00 this morning, the total rainfall for November in Seattle is 12.84" - only 0.08 away from tying the record for the wettest month (January 1953).

[OhioGuy]

If you handled the dark and gloomy drip drop of the last few days and still enjoyed Seattle, it is high time you move up here. The rain is usually a mild mannered pitter patter, not the agressive down pour we've been getting lately. The city has been in good spirits with all of the Election Day results going away from the Bush Doctrine.

Oh believe me, I'd take a job in Seattle instantly if it was a good paying one. Judging by my experience at the beginning of the month, I have a feeling I'd live quite happily in Seattle. :)

[James Bond Agent 007]

Snow????????
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/98027?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared

[Black Box]

Not many drops to go with the dramatic cloud formations today. There was even a glow or as they say in the Pacific Northwest, a sun break.

[Dougall5505]

snow for portland on sunday and monday!
www.oregonlive.com

[James Bond Agent 007]

Well I have a job interview down in Lacey on Monday at 2:30 which I'll have to drive to.

The weather forecast is not looking good for that day. :(

[Black Box]

Snow!

[PacificNW]

Good luck, 007. I hope you make your interview and the job is something you want.

[Vashon118]

A couple of pics from where I live (taken around 4:30 PM).

With flash:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8967/pb260044ww2.jpg

and without flash:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5509/pb260045ts2.jpg

It snowed this morning, but changed to rain. It changed back to snow around 3:30 or so.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Well OK I just got back from the U-District.

When I was in the U-District it was snowing pretty hard and by 6:30 about an inch or more had accumulated on the ground.

But here in Issaquah there's not much at all. The snow seems to be hit-and-miss.

I just saw the National Weather Service's weather advisory and they said most of the snow accumulation tonight will occur *north* of Seattle so my trip to Olympia tomorrow may not be so bad *crosses fingers* But I'm still gonna give myself extra time to get there.

[Vashon118]

Good luck with your interview tomorrow.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Thanks!

[Black Box]

Yeah, good luck Bond. I hear your new motion picture is one of the best yet. Oh, and did anyone catch today's article featuring Seattle's weather woes in the New York Times? Rainier?

[mSeattle]

^They probably laugh at us at what we're not used to. It "snowed" again today with buses and cars getting stuck.

[Dougall5505]

wow anyone else watching monday night football? seattle is getting hit hard. lucky!

[James Bond Agent 007]

In case anyone wants to know, here was my adventure today coming back from Olympia . . .

Going there, it was fine - it would snow lightly for a short while, then be clear for a short while. But no big deal, it took me about 1 hr 15 minutes to get there.

On the way back, from Olympia to around the airport it was just fine, no snow at all and very light traffic. Once I hit the area around the airport it started snowing. Within a few more miles it *really* started snowing. I got off the freeway and decided to try to take local roads on the way back. Between the time I got off the freeway at Southcenter and when I decided to stop and eat in downtown Renton, more than an hour elapsed. Yes, that's what I said: It took me more than an hour to go about 2-3 miles. So I stopped at a fast food joint to eat (by this time it was about 6:45). While I was there there were 2 people who said they were going in the same general direction I was going (up to a point), so I gave them a ride. Less than a mile going up through south Seattle along Rainier Ave, the snow had basically stopped, it never had snowed heavily in that area, there were few cars on the road and it was smooth sailing. Just before I got onto I-90 I let the 2 people off, they left me $10. I got onto I-90, and for a while it was great - no snow, little traffic, I was going fast. Then, just as I got near the Bellevue-Issaquah border near the Lakemont exit - BAM! - it started snowing again, and had been for some while. Traffic ground to a halt. To make a long story short, it took me about another 1-1/2 hours to get from there to my apartment. I made the mistake of not getting off the first Issaquah exit because the freeway, while slow, was at least moving, and the freeway exit looked really slow. Bad decision. I had barely passed the freeway exit when the freeway itself, which I was still on, ground to a halt. There were dead buses and dead cars all over the road. The snow really started coming down.

So, after leaving my interview in Lacey at just around 5, I didn't get home until 10.

[mSeattle]

Wow, that's crazy! I'm glad I didn't have to do that trip. Bond, you gotta be careful giving strangers a ride though. We know you're bad and all tough guy, but don't push it. :D

[James Bond Agent 007]

^
Yeah I was thinking that too, but they seemed harmless. I figured they'd liven up an erstwhile tedious trip, which they did, for a short while, at least. That, plus the $10 they dropped me, made it worth it. :D

[JiminyCricket II]

on Monday Night Football it was snowing hard. It's now snowing in the tri-cities!

[mthq]

I hear this snowstorm came from Alaska eh?

[JiminyCricket II]

fuckin eh right it did. thanks.

[RamsayHank]

Tri-cities? eh? Where's that? (I've only been here for 3 months...)

[WonderlandPark]

Tri-cities? eh? Where's that? (I've only been here for 3 months...)

The Tri-cities are Pasco, Kennewick and Richland, they are on the Columbia River, down I-82 past Yakima, in the Southeast/south central part of Washington.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pasco,+WA

[Hoodrat]

I fucking hate snow.

[Black Box]

Not much snow where I was last night. Anyhow, I guess this is a primer for my trip to Minneapolis this weekend. It is not expected to snow, but it is going to be much colder there than it is here today. So, yeah, that means it will be really cold. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[northface]

so wednesday night is looking like another 3-6 inches over all of puget sound......they seemed VERY confident about it.

[rooter]

Ya, about 6" of schnee in Lake City.

I went out to go to the movies this afternoon, but my battery was dead. So while charging it I checked the street, and it is a solid sheet of ice... up a 5% hill. Naah, a movie is not worth $1,000 in damage to my car.

[Seasun]

I'm thinking of doing a quick trip to Whidbey Island tonight to turn off the water at a cabin - I hope the pipes aren't all broken yet and I also don't want to get in a little wreck. Looks like I-5 is clear right now.

Cool time lapse video of driving last night - about 1 frame per minute.
http://www.komotv.com/home/video/4765256.html?video=pop&t=a

[alexjon]

I knocked over three old women to get the last loaf of bread and if anyone wants it, I'll be in my gulag.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Hmmm . . .

According the The Weather Channel (http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/home/local/98027?from=recentsearch) it is now 10 degrees outside.

The last time I can recall it being that cold is a few days after I moved to Spokane in January, 1998. There were a couple days where the high was about 5 degrees.

So to test this I think I'm gonna go outside and go for a walk right now. :D

And I'll be sure to wear my ski hat and gloves. ;)

[James Bond Agent 007]

Hmmm, part 2.

According to the Seattle Times website (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/weather/) it's now 24 degrees, not 10 degrees.

:???:

Well when I go outside I'll have to judge for myself who is right. :)

[James Bond Agent 007]

And according to the P-I website (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/weather/index.asp?from=jumptoHP) it's now 20 degrees.

Somebody needs to fix their thermometers.

[James Bond Agent 007]

I can't find my gloves. :(

I'll have to go outside without them. :(

[James Bond Agent 007]

Hmmm, part 4.

It seems the reason for the discrepency between the Weather Channel and the Seattle Times is that for the Weather Channel I typed in Issaquah's zipcode while the Seattle Times lists the temp for downtown Seattle (or maybe SeaTac).

Here's Seattle, not Issaquah - it says 24 degrees, just like the Seattle Times website:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/home/local/98101?lswe=98101&lwsa=Weather36HourHomeCommand&from=whatwhere

So I hope it *really is* 10 degrees outside here in Issaquah - NOW I will finally go outside! :D

[James Bond Agent 007]

Well I'm back. :D

It was COLD!

And I loved it! :banana:

[rooter]

I have a panel applet in the upper-right, which gets the weather directly from the nearest airport. Then again I run Debian; and everything is free. I feel sorry for you Winduhs users...

http://quantum-sci.com/images/snap1.jpg

[Vashon118]

November was a crazy month for weather

P-I STAFF

Weather wreaked havoc on Western Washington, bringing snowstorms, flooding and high winds. Here's a look back by the numbers:

18 degrees: Lowest temperature for any Nov. 29 on record. Breaks Nov. 29, 1975, record of 22 degrees.

15.63 inches: Most rainfall -- as measured at Sea-Tac Airport. Breaks December 1933 record of 15.33 inches measured at Federal Building in Seattle. Breaks January 1953 record of 12.92 inches measured at Sea-Tac Airport.

First snowfall on a Nov. 26 at Sea-Tac Airport: The amount was a trace of snow, which is a less than a tenth of an inch.

23 high-wind warnings issued by National Weather Service.

50 flood warnings issued by National Weather Service.

25 state highway closures due to flooding between Nov. 6 and Nov. 8.

68,256 in attendance at the first snow game at Qwest Field.

32,000 calls received by the 511 Traveler Information system during the Monday, Nov. 27, nightmare commute.

659 meals served to flood victims by the King County Red Cross.

482 overtime hours worked by Seattle Department of Transportation employees during this week's snowfall.

13 hours of classes canceled by weather at Seattle public schools.

Sources: National Weather Service, Seattle Department of Transportation, Washington State Department of Transportation, the Seahawks, Seattle Public Schools, King County Red Cross.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/294383_crazymonth01.html

[zilfondel]

Have you guys ever tried opening a window? Hmm???

[MarkDaMan]

Seattle in November: 15.63 inches
Portland in November: 11.92 inches

nice...so we are going to have a dry December, right?

[Dr. Smoke]

Have you guys ever tried opening a window? Hmm???
Ah... windows are for losers.

[Vashon118]

Article from KOMO TV 4 about last months crazy weather:

A look back on the stormiest month in Seattle's history (http://www.komotv.com/news/4797576.html)

[Urbanpdx]

This is kind of interesting:

http://www.saveportland.com/Climate/index.html

[MarkDaMan]

I'd hope urbanpdx that with the current technological advancements made over the past 20 years, that you could differentiate between anomalies as reported in pre high tech days to actual scientific proof, aided by our high tech revolution, that something is wrong with the world today...

[Urbanpdx]

Are Humans Driving Earth's Current Temperature Trend?
Reference
Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2006. On global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate. Are humans involved? Environmental Geology 50: 899-910.
What was done
Noting that "identification and understanding of global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate is crucial for developing [an] adequate relationship between people and nature, and for developing and implementing a sound course of action aimed at survival and welfare of the human race," especially "in the light of present-day public debates on causes and ways of mitigation of the current global atmospheric warming," the authors "identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate: (1) solar radiation as a dominant external energy supplier to the Earth, (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities generating and consuming atmospheric gases at the interface of lithosphere and atmosphere."

What was learned
After providing quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of these major forces on earth's climate - not only here but in two earlier studies as well (Khilyuk and Chilingar (2003, 2004) - the two researchers from the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles (USA) conclude that "the theory of currently observed global atmospheric warming as a result of increasing anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission is a myth," and that it has "proved to be an enduring one."

What it means
The take-home message of Khilyuk and Chilingar's analysis, as they describe it, is that "any attempts to mitigate undesirable climatic changes using restrictive regulations are condemned to failure, because the global natural forces are at least 4-5 orders of magnitude greater than available human controls." What is more, they indicate that "application of these controls will lead to catastrophic economic consequences," noting that "since its inception in February 2005, the Kyoto Protocol has cost about $50 billion supposedly averting about 0.0005°C of warming by the year 2050," and that "the Kyoto Protocol is a good example of how to achieve the minimum results with the maximum efforts (and sacrifices)." This being the case, they conclude that "attempts to alter the occurring global climatic changes have to be abandoned as meaningless and harmful," and that in their place the "moral and professional obligation of all responsible scientists and politicians is to minimize potential human misery resulting from oncoming global climatic change," hopefully by more immediate, rational and cost-effective means.

References
Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2003. Global warming: are we confusing cause and effect? Energy Sources 25: 357-370.

Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2004. Global warming and long-term changes: a progress report. Environmental Geology 46: 970-979.

[Dr. Smoke]

Hm, I notice Urbanpdx, that you do not link us to your resource, since last time I discredited your spurious Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine reference. Please show that "Environmental Geology" is a legitimate scientific peer-reviewed publication.

I do notice however, this rebuttal of their paper (http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~motl/usc-rebuttal.html) (link here) by U. of Heidelberg scientist Herr Dr. W. Aeschbach-Hertig, annotated with references and published on Harvard's website.
It is astonishing that the paper of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) (as well as Khilyuk and Chilingar 2004, for that matter) could pass the review process of a seemingly serious journal such as Environmental Geology. Such failures of this process, which is supposed to guarantee the quality of published literature, are likely to damage the reputation of this journal.

[MarkDaMan]

This link put the above article in an interesting light:
http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~motl/usc-rebuttal.html

Some highlights:

"Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) state that based on their “adiabatic model of heat transfer in the atmosphere” the entire energy generated by humans could heat the atmosphere by no more than 0.01°C. This may be true but is irrelevant, since no serious scientist ever claimed that global warming is due to direct heating of the atmosphere, but to an enhancement of the greenhouse effect, which the paper does not discuss."

"The paper of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) contains several more unconventional theories, e.g., the twice repeated hypothesis that in 0.6 Gyr “endogenic oxygen” will degas from the Earth’s core, increase the atmospheric pressure to 40 atm and the global temperature to over 80°C, or the hypothesis that the main internal heat source of the Earth is not radioactivity but “gravitational matter differentiation”. All these hypotheses are not well substantiated either by original arguments or by credible references. One of the weaknesses of the paper is that much of the cited literature is in Russian, thus not easily accessible, or refers to websites, some of them as dubious as http://www.junkscience.com."

"Another example for the failure of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) to substantiate their claims and to refer to the state-of-the-art literature is their Fig. 11, showing a simplified picture of the global temperature curve of the past 1,000 years. Based on an article in the Bulletin of the American Association of Petroleum Geology, this figure shows the medieval warm period at +2°C and the little ice age at −1°C relative to the present. It certainly is not a fair representation of the intense recent debate about the global (or rather: northern hemisphere) temperature evolution over the past millennium. One might expect that the authors would refer to the famous “hockey stick” curve of Mann et al. (1998), which has been a major target of the criticism of climate change skeptics in recent years. Or to the latest attempt to reconstruct such a curve presented by Moberg et al. (2005), or other studies as summarized by Briffa and Osborn (2002). None of all these important papers are cited by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006), instead it is claimed that “the global average temperature dropped about 2°C over the last millennium”, which is squarely at odds with the findings of all these studies."

[roner]

I don't know if this really belongs, but I thought it had something to do with the PNW weather. Anways, last Friday in Lincoln City, Oregon an 18 foot swell produced these 40 foot monsters off of Nescott reef. I guess tommorrow the swell is supposed to be 35 feet with waves even bigger! Biggest of the year. They say Nelscott is one of ten biggest waves in the world. Wish I would have seen it. :worship:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o119/roner77/nelscott.jpg

[Seasun]

I'm glad I wasn't on this NW Airlines plane trying to land (twice!) at SEA.

http://www.komotv.com/home/video/4911216.html?video=pop&t=a

[roner]

holy shit! Good call by the pilot to pull up.:slob:

[northface]

Omg!

[James Bond Agent 007]

NASTY wind storm expected tonight!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003476748_windy14m.html

It's forecast to be worse than the 1993 Inaguration Day storm. I remember that storm very clearly, it was BRUTAL (but kinda cool, too :D). It was basically like a hurricane!

[Vashon118]

I hope it doesn't get nasty before I get home. I've never been on the ferry during a really nasty wind storm (I almost did in early 1999) and I don't think I want to either.

[James Bond Agent 007]

I'm hoping to get this post in before my computer flicks off again from a power interruption.

It's done it twice in the past 5 minutes.

Anyone wanna take bets the windstorm will wipe out part of the 520 bridge tonite? :runaway: