[Eeyore]

No, I'll check it out. It's not totally surprising. You do come on a bit strong. Some of us think it's cool you care so much, but others probably just find it annoying. Either way, I suspect it will be shut down soon.

They moderators kep it but took my name out of the title. I think its cus I made such a strong case for Pueblo on the next post.

Agreed my style is well like a gay Mr Rodgers on steroids lol, overtime they should get use to it.

The thing is I am like this in person about Pueblo too as most of my friends give me a limit then when I reach it ban me from talking about Pueblo if not that's all I talk about all day every day.

To be honest I think every town needs a few people like me. I spend all my time thinking of how to make Pueblo better for its residents, simply as a hobby, and try to help the city to do that. In the end it makes Pueblo a better city for those who want to live here but have no desire to really get involved that way.

I will blow my cover a little here but that's ok. I am the President of Pueblo gay Pride so I work with Pueblo all the time and they are wonderful to work with that is one reason why I am able to call around and talk to officals. Plus not to be snooty but most people in Pueblo know of my name and to be honost I get that all over the state as my family ran a business here since Pueblo was multiple cities. That might be one reason I like this city so much.

[Front_Range_Guy]

I won't fault you for it. I was like that about Colorado Springs when I was in high school, but then everything became about politics for me, and since then I've mostly been bitter. I'm trying to overcome it... I mean, my ultimate goal is to become a part of the solution... to be the change I want to see, I just really haven't figured out how to get there yet.

That's part of the reason I have resisted leaving. A small part of that pre-politically polarized FRG lives on inside of me.

[Eeyore]

I am sure you will find your nitch, to be honost I am still looking for mine. Right now I am thinking of running for mayor if Pueblo gets one. That would be kewl to be the first mayor! But who knows....

[Front_Range_Guy]

Seems to me you've found your nitch. Granted, you had a 10 year head start... old man. :P

There's no question in my mind you would be a valuable addition to either city hall or PEDCO.

[Eeyore]

Seems to me you've found your nitch. Granted, you had a 10 year head start... old man. :P

There's no question in my mind you would be a valuable addition to either city hall or PEDCO.

LOL thanks!

:rainbow:

[CS-Urbanist]

I found a small rendering of what the Pueblo police building will look like and... its kind of bland and uninspiring, especially for the cost.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg152/acwilson007/doc482bdbe5730a2434237921.jpg

But I'm sure it will be a nice space filler in downtown Pueblo.

I think that looks like a very good building and will fit in well down there... I really do not like when architects try to be original and creative with their designs and they put in a monstrosity that doesn't fit with the rest of the City. Most of these architects are praised for their designs and they shouldn't be. Geary as an example is a crap architect, IMO!

Who was the architect of the police building?

[CS-Urbanist]

They moderators kep it but took my name out of the title. I think its cus I made such a strong case for Pueblo on the next post.

Agreed my style is well like a gay Mr Rodgers on steroids lol, overtime they should get use to it.

The thing is I am like this in person about Pueblo too as most of my friends give me a limit then when I reach it ban me from talking about Pueblo if not that's all I talk about all day every day.

To be honest I think every town needs a few people like me. I spend all my time thinking of how to make Pueblo better for its residents, simply as a hobby, and try to help the city to do that. In the end it makes Pueblo a better city for those who want to live here but have no desire to really get involved that way.

I will blow my cover a little here but that's ok. I am the President of Pueblo gay Pride so I work with Pueblo all the time and they are wonderful to work with that is one reason why I am able to call around and talk to officals. Plus not to be snooty but most people in Pueblo know of my name and to be honost I get that all over the state as my family ran a business here since Pueblo was multiple cities. That might be one reason I like this city so much.

Ahhh, Eyore = Jospephiee... Good to know. For the most part eyore, I agree with a lot of what you are saying with exception to the whole irrigation arguement we had. I'll stick to my guns on that. Run for mayor, you probably would be good, if only I had a vote...

[Eeyore]

Ahhh, Eyore = Jospephiee... Good to know. For the most part eyore, I agree with a lot of what you are saying with exception to the whole irrigation arguement we had. I'll stick to my guns on that. Run for mayor, you probably would be good, if only I had a vote...

Sorry I am not sure who the architect of the police building is.

As far as water goes I know I am extreme on my views but I think that is a product of me living in Pueblo and not having to worry about water, I am sure my view would be different if I lived in a city that had to manage its water more then Pueblo does. Also, since I was young Pueblo had to worry more about our economy with the loss of the steel industry thus I am more in tuned to that issue.

And thanks! I could be like President Nixon was with China towards the Springs! I just won't wire tap to get into office!!!

:notacrook:

[Eeyore]

This might of been what City center was talking about.......

The company will offer Medicare insurance as well as health coverage for businesses here and in Fremont County.

Health insurance company and medical provider Kaiser Permanente expects to have a Pueblo clinic open by next year, according to President Donna Lynne.

Lynne was in Pueblo on Monday to speak to the Greater Pueblo Chamber of Commerce and other groups about the health giant's coming expansion to Pueblo and Fremont counties.

Lynne said the nonprofit company has wanted to offer services in Pueblo County for some time because it already serves a number of Pueblo residents who work in the Colorado Springs area.

Kaiser also was required by the Colorado Division of Insurance to expand its offerings outside the Denver/Boulder area and offer a rebate to customers. The health company was accused of "cherry-picking" because it did not offer services outside the Denver/Boulder area, sending the considerable money it earned to its Cali- fornia-based parent company.

Lynne, who negotiated Kaiser's settlement with the division, said the money was sent to California company only to be invested along with other Kaiser-state's funds to earn a better return. Still, the state agency insisted that Kaiser refund some of its reserve back to customers. That will amount to $77.5 million, according to Lynne, and will be credited back to customers.

Regardless, Kaiser has asked federal permission to expand its Medicare coverage to Pueblo and is delighted to be able to offer more services here, Lynne said. Those services include Medicare plans for senior citizens and health coverage for Pueblo and Fremont county employers.

State and federal employees who live in those two counties will be able to switch to Kaiser when the company's authorization takes effect July 1 of next year.

One of the company's strongest selling points to employers is the fact that Kaiser's rates usually are about 7 percent less than health insurance rates from other providers, Lynne said.

The company also offers a wide array of wellness and health-improvement services to customers, she said.

Kaiser plans to open two clinics in the Pueblo area in the next two years, staffed by a total of four doctors and as many as 20 support staff members. That will include nurse practitioners, nurses, diabetes educators and others, Lynne said.

The first clinic, the location for which hasn't been decided yet, is planned to open in leased space in 2009, Lynne said. The second is scheduled for 2010.

About 200 Pueblo-area doctors already contract with Kaiser Permanente, Lynne said, and are welcome to remain with the network. Other doctors may join as well and the company will accept doctors who want to bring their practices entirely into the Kaiser fold.

Lynne said the two Kaiser clinics should help meet the demand for primary-care doctors in Pueblo, and the company will be bringing an internal-medicine doctor to the Pueblo market to meet a shortage of those.

While Kaiser will try to sell itself to large employers, it has plenty to offer for small businesses too, Lynne said. A large portion of its customer-base in the Denver/Boulder area is small businesses, she said.

Lynne said one reason the company had avoided building an outlet in Pueblo was the sizable commitment of money it would require. But if employers and senior citizens embrace the company, "my hope is that five years from now we're building a large building down here (in Pueblo) and another one in Colorado Springs," she said.

So this could be good for both cities!

:banana:

I wonder what they consider to be large and if its over 10 stories it should be in downtown! If they want to be close to a hospital Parkview is there......
:skyscraper:

Personally I think they should consolidate all their Colorado business offices in one 30 story sky scraper located in downtown Pueblo! But then again would I think any different????

:angel:

[BigBird9]

Well I just made my first visit to Pueblo this week, and I must say that I liked it. I drove out there with my dad to help him move, and then I flew back from Denver today. The feeling I got from the city and area kinda reminded me of a mix between Albuquerque, NM and Sioux Falls, SD. I liked the fact that the city is relatively easy to navigate and the road structure is pretty well organized, which is something you don't often get in the south. I thought downtown was really nice too. I don't know if there was anything going on, but driving around on Friday at around noon, there seemed to be a lot of traffic and activity (both pedestrian and vehicular). And it really seemed like that in almost every part of the town I was in, at almost any time of day. It also seemed like there were a good number of projects underway downtown too. I haven't been following this thread long enough to know what any of it is, but it was promising nonetheless. I don't mind it too much, but I'm sure my mom won't like the fact that the shopping isn't great.... I mean, it's certainly not bad for a city Pueblo's size. And the nice thing is, it only took about 20 minutes to get from the north side of Pueblo to the South side of C-Springs (Fountain?). Of course, once you hit the Springs, it's basically one big suburb all the way to Denver, which isn't much further away. It's going to be a big shock, moving from the second wettest city in the US to a high desert like Pueblo. I won't be living there long, though. I'll be headed to Boulder, Ft. Collins, or Minneapolis for college in the fall. But regardless, it doesn't seem like a bad town to go back to on school breaks, and I think my family will really enjoy it as well. :)

[Eeyore]

Well I just made my first visit to Pueblo this week, and I must say that I liked it. I drove out there with my dad to help him move, and then I flew back from Denver today. The feeling I got from the city and area kinda reminded me of a mix between Albuquerque, NM and Sioux Falls, SD. I liked the fact that the city is relatively easy to navigate and the road structure is pretty well organized, which is something you don't often get in the south. I thought downtown was really nice too. I don't know if there was anything going on, but driving around on Friday at around noon, there seemed to be a lot of traffic and activity (both pedestrian and vehicular). And it really seemed like that in almost every part of the town I was in, at almost any time of day. It also seemed like there were a good number of projects underway downtown too. I haven't been following this thread long enough to know what any of it is, but it was promising nonetheless. I don't mind it too much, but I'm sure my mom won't like the fact that the shopping isn't great.... I mean, it's certainly not bad for a city Pueblo's size. And the nice thing is, it only took about 20 minutes to get from the north side of Pueblo to the South side of C-Springs (Fountain?). Of course, once you hit the Springs, it's basically one big suburb all the way to Denver, which isn't much further away. It's going to be a big shock, moving from the second wettest city in the US to a high desert like Pueblo. I won't be living there long, though. I'll be headed to Boulder, Ft. Collins, or Minneapolis for college in the fall. But regardless, it doesn't seem like a bad town to go back to on school breaks, and I think my family will really enjoy it as well. :)


I like your view of Pueblo and Colorado Springs, I think I am going to like you lol.

:cheers:

[Eeyore]

PUEBLO, Colo. (February 20, 2009) - The Professional Bull Riders, Inc. (PBR) is proud to announce that attendance for LIVE events for the Built Ford Tough Series (BFTS) is up 10.7% compared to attendance in 2008. The results are after nine Built Ford Tough Series events in the 2009 season have been completed. The PBR made modest changes in ticket pricing, making it more affordable for fans and families affected by the economy. The change in ticket prices has resulted in a nominal decrease of $1.10 in the average ticket price.

“We feel very fortunate to be experiencing continued growth in a challenging economy,” Randy Bernard, PBR’s Chief Executive Officer, stated. “We believe it is a testament to the great athletes in the sport, one of the greatest races for the World Championship in our history, and our unwillingness to compromise the quality of the events and entertainment value we bring to PBR fans.”

:banaride:


About the PBR:
More than 100 million viewers tune in each year to the PBR on FOX, NBC, ESPN, VERSUS, and on a host of foreign networks across the globe. With approximately 500 hours of prime time programming annually, PBR ranks among the most prolific sports on air, in addition to attracting over 1.7 million live event attendees each year with it multi-tiered event structure which includes the prestigious Built Ford Tough Series, the Copenhagen Bull Riding Challenger Tour, the Enterprise Rent-A-Car Tour, and the Discovery Tour, designed specifically for entry level contestants. The PBR is headquartered in Pueblo, Colo., with additional offices in Australia, Brazil, Canada, and Mexico. The PBR prides itself in its 1,000 plus stock contractor relationships and over 1,200 PBR bull riders competing in more than 300 PBR sanctioned competitions in five countries.

[BigBird9]

I like your view of Pueblo and Colorado Springs, I think I am going to like you lol.

:cheers:

Are you sure? I read earlier that you are the president of Pueblo Gay Pride.... I'm pretty conservative, so I don't think it's physically possible for us to agree on anything ;)

That's good news about PBR. I wish I would have seen their headquarters, but I never did find it as I was driving around downtown. I did happen to stumble across the library, however, and that is one awesome building!

[Eeyore]

Are you sure? I read earlier that you are the president of Pueblo Gay Pride.... I'm pretty conservative, so I don't think it's physically possible for us to agree on anything ;)

That's good news about PBR. I wish I would have seen their headquarters, but I never did find it as I was driving around downtown. I did happen to stumble across the library, however, and that is one awesome building!

LOL i was just talking about how you called Colorado Springs a suburb.....

:sly:

BTW I have conservative friends too, well one or two lol

:justkidding:

[BigBird9]

Haha, I don't think Colorado Springs is a suburb... just whatever that stuff is between C-Springs and Denver.

[Eeyore]

BTW if you are extremely conservative you might like Fort Collins over Boulder..... We in Colorado call Boulder the "Peoples Republic of Boulder"....

:uhh:

[BigBird9]

BTW if you are extremely conservative you might like Fort Collins over Boulder..... We in Colorado call Boulder the "Peoples Republic of Boulder"....

:uhh:

Nah... I'm conservative, but not "extremely" so. I think both CU and CSU are big enough that I'd find my niche somewhere. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I have mostly conservative views, politically, but I have no problem co-existing with liberals. :tup:

[Eeyore]

Nah... I'm conservative, but not "extremely" so. I think both CU and CSU are big enough that I'd find my niche somewhere. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I have mostly conservative views, politically, but I have no problem co-existing with liberals. :tup:

That's good although I am not exactly a liberal. I do tend to lean more liberal on social issues and more conservative on economic issues although I am a registered democrat.

[Eeyore]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/josseppie/fortcollins.jpg

I think this is Fort Collins tallest building!

Next to Pueblo's

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/josseppie/IMG_0384-1.jpg

[CS-Urbanist]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/josseppie/fortcollins.jpg

I think this is Fort Collins tallest building!

...and yet it fails in comparison to the lower building in the foreground.

[Eeyore]

It actually looks kind of small, I wonder how many square feet it is...

[acw007]

The first national bank tower is a pretty skinny building. Only around 80,000 square feet.

[acw007]

I think that looks like a very good building and will fit in well down there... I really do not like when architects try to be original and creative with their designs and they put in a monstrosity that doesn't fit with the rest of the City. Most of these architects are praised for their designs and they shouldn't be. Geary as an example is a crap architect, IMO!

Who was the architect of the police building?

The architect is Durrant. I don't think it's a bad building I just think there was opportunity to do something special here and they failed. The Pueblo library is a lovely building. I think it could be awesome if Pueblo tried to follow that contemporary desert style, with out replicating the library.

Beyond that I think the city of Pueblo was ripped off on the design that is I believe $10,000,000 over original projections. The cost of the building is now about $32,000,000. They could do so much more with that money.

The new Fort Collins police building has very similar stats but I think it looks light years ahead of the Pueblo police building. The Fort Collins police building cost only one million dollars over the cost of the pueblo building, both are three stories, and both are roughly 100,000 sq ft.

This is the new Fort Collins Police HQ (http://www.hparch.com/civic-justice/fort-collins-police/)

[Eeyore]

The architect is Durrant. I don't think it's a bad building I just think there was opportunity to do something special here and they failed. The Pueblo library is a lovely building. I think it could be awesome if Pueblo tried to follow that contemporary desert style, with out replicating the library.

Beyond that I think the city of Pueblo was ripped off on the design that is I believe $10,000,000 over original projections. The cost of the building is now about $32,000,000. They could do so much more with that money.

The new Fort Collins police building has very similar stats but I think it looks light years ahead of the Pueblo police building. The Fort Collins police building cost only one million dollars over the cost of the pueblo building, both are three stories, and both are roughly 100,000 sq ft.

This is the new Fort Collins Police HQ (http://www.hparch.com/civic-justice/fort-collins-police/)


That is a nice building but again it would look so out of place in Pueblo, the same as our police building would up there. Also, it does not look like your police building is in downtown as it is not very urban looking and to me it looks like a "rich" surburban type of buildiong. Ours is in the historic part of our downtown, thus we do not have much room as it takes up the whole block it will be on.....

Other then the fact we are about the same size and have CSU schools nothing else is the same between the cities. That's why its fun to compare the two towns since we are about the same size yet both went different directions, yet both successful cities.

Even the layout is very different, Pueblo is built around highways while Fort Collins is built on big streets.

80,000 is small for a high rise, our 4 story one is 44,000 feet.....

[Front_Range_Guy]

I realize it's all a matter of personal preference, but I prefer the Pueblo building. In fact, I don't like the Fort Collins building at all. I should note that I have a thing for red brick.

I should also note that I hate the Colorado Springs police headquarters too, even though it is red brick. The design is terrible, and the location makes no sense.

[acw007]

Comparing the two cities is fun. Our styles are drastically different. In comparing the two buildings I wasn't saying I thought ours would look better in your context. I just personally think its a better design for Fort Collins and you're right, our is not downtown. Our police building is in the geographic center of the city around Drake and Timberline.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Which raises another issue. It drives me nuts that the geographic center of Colorado Springs is somewhere northeast of downtown, with downtown situated in the southwest corner of the city. It seems like Fort Collins is in the same boat, except in that city's case, downtown is on the north end... don't you find that annoying? Am I too easily annoyed? Why am I still sober? If you become mayor, will you legalize pot Eeyore?

[Eeyore]

LOL then I will be on FOX news as the "Far left loony" mayor from Colorado!

[Front_Range_Guy]

Meh... not lefty... just "progressive." Wait. Same thing. I'd totally move to Pueblo, with the caviat that it has to be locally grown. We don't want blood on our hands.

[Eeyore]

I agree about the center of the cities but when I was growing up and all I really knew was Pueblo I thought all cities were like this. In fact I would be mad when I went to Loveland cus I did not think of it as a different city and would say "why does Denver have 4 lane roads so far from downtown when Pueblo can barely do it 10 miles out" lol (I was kind of sped as a kid)

On a serious note I always wondered why Fort Collins grew south, could it be because of Loveland? I mean they did not grow east or north much. In a way I think that hurt your downtown as it takes so long to get there with the traffic from Harmony.

Colorado Springs I don't get either, why try to grow east when all the major bases are west where the majority of the population works? Its a no wonder its not taking off...

[Front_Range_Guy]

Colorado Springs is growing east now, but in the past it's mostly grown north. We've sort of reached a point where a lot of the cheap land, ripe for development on the north end has filled up, and developers are now looking south toward Fountain. I think the sprawl machine is out of commission for a while ( thanks to the economy ), but if it gets going again, I think Fountain, Security, and Widefield, and points south may be the future of sprawl in El Paso County, along with Banning Lewis.

Having said that, I'd rather see only infill developments, with a focus on downtown. I don't think the developers care what I want, though.

[Eeyore]

I realize it's all a matter of personal preference, but I prefer the Pueblo building. In fact, I don't like the Fort Collins building at all. I should note that I have a thing for red brick.

I should also note that I hate the Colorado Springs police headquarters too, even though it is red brick. The design is terrible, and the location makes no sense.

Where is it located?

[acw007]

Which raises another issue. It drives me nuts that the geographic center of Colorado Springs is somewhere northeast of downtown, with downtown situated in the southwest corner of the city. It seems like Fort Collins is in the same boat, except in that city's case, downtown is on the north end... don't you find that annoying? Am I too easily annoyed? Why am I still sober? If you become mayor, will you legalize pot Eeyore?

It doesn't annoy me but you're right, a good three quarters of the city are south of downtown. Thats beginning to change though. I'd say a around 75% of the planned and under construction homes in Fort Collins are taking place in the north part of town. 10-15 years from now things should be pretty even.

...and I'm asking myself the sober question as well... but I'm throwing my boyfriends birthday party tomorrow so that'll solve that problem. :cheers:

[Eeyore]

Colorado Springs is growing east now, but in the past it's mostly grown north. We've sort of reached a point where a lot of the cheap land, ripe for development on the north end has filled up, and developers are now looking south toward Fountain. I think the sprawl machine is out of commission for a while ( thanks to the economy ), but if it gets going again, I think Fountain, Security, and Widefield, and points south may be the future of sprawl in El Paso County, along with Banning Lewis.

Having said that, I'd rather see only infill developments, with a focus on downtown. I don't think the developers care what I want, though.

As you rightly point out I am not a true urbanist but I agree with you on this 100%. I mean for the Springs to be bigger then Denver with only 350,000 or so people and still be twice the size of Pueblo when we double our land area but when we grow out be able to be 400,000 people is crazy.

I had a friend visit me from San Diego, not exactly a dense area, and I told him nothing about the area. His comment was wow so spread out, I guess why go up when you can go out.

[Front_Range_Guy]

I'm slamming down Sunshine Wheat like it's going out of style, so my mysery should be relieved fairly soon.

Eeyore... Colorado Springs Police Headquarters, better known as The Police Operations Center or "P-O-C" is located right next to the Lowell Neighborhood in the southeast part of downtown, If I'm not mistaken, it was built as part of a failed urban renewal project in the 80's. With Lowell up and running, it fits in a little better now. For years it was a big red building in the middle of a neighborhood filled with rundown old single family houses... it stuck out like a a sore thumb. I think it should be closer into downtown, myself. Within walking distance of the court house would make sense.

[Front_Range_Guy]

I'm trying to find a photo of the POC, but I don't think anyone has ever taken a picture of it because it's so uninteresting.

[acw007]

On a serious note I always wondered why Fort Collins grew south, could it be because of Loveland? I mean they did not grow east or north much. In a way I think that hurt your downtown as it takes so long to get there with the traffic from Harmony.

Colorado Springs I don't get either, why try to grow east when all the major bases are west where the majority of the population works? Its a no wonder its not taking off...

The other side of the rail road tracks kept Fort Collins growth to the south. The only real lower income housing in the city is to the north and east of downtown. Historically those neighborhoods were for German & Russian field workers and those who worked in the sugar beet factories. All the growth to the south was further exacerbated by the mad rush to I-25. All Norther Colorado cities are victims of this. Loveland and Fort Collins grew to the East . Greeley and Windsor grew to the West.

[Eeyore]

I'm trying to find a photo of the POC, but I don't think anyone has ever taken a picture of it because it's so uninteresting.

Is that the building the city wanted to put a fence around?

[Front_Range_Guy]

Here we go, courtesy a website called farris-usa.com (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.farris-usa.com/Images/right_bar.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.farris-usa.com/municipal.html&usg=__USMjuKLQ96koDLcF3KkMvjQIBN0=&h=655&w=250&sz=4&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=mDtbZXT4F6ehAM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=53&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolorado%2Bsprings%2Bpolice%2Boperations%2Bcenter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)

http://www.farris-usa.com/Images/cs_police_1.jpg

[Eeyore]

The other side of the rail road tracks kept Fort Collins growth to the south. The only real lower income housing in the city is to the north and east of downtown. Historically those neighborhoods were for German & Russian field workers and those who worked in the sugar beet factories. All the growth to the south was further exacerbated by the mad rush to I-25. All Norther Colorado cities are victims of this. Loveland and Fort Collins grew to the East . Greeley and Windsor grew to the West.

You bring up another point that I always hated living up there was the railroad tracks going right though the city. Pueblo has them and so does Colorado Springs but we have them going over the streets on bridges, what a novelty...

[acw007]

I'm slamming down Sunshine Wheat like it's going out of style, so my mysery should be relieved fairly soon.


I love Sunshine Wheat... That beer is from the gods.

[Front_Range_Guy]

The train really made an impression on me during my first trip to Fort Collins. That freight train on the middle of a downtown surface street was the most hilarious thing I'd ever seen.

[Eeyore]

Here we go, courtesy a website called farris-usa.com (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.farris-usa.com/Images/right_bar.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.farris-usa.com/municipal.html&usg=__USMjuKLQ96koDLcF3KkMvjQIBN0=&h=655&w=250&sz=4&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=mDtbZXT4F6ehAM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=53&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolorado%2Bsprings%2Bpolice%2Boperations%2Bcenter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)

http://www.farris-usa.com/Images/cs_police_1.jpg

I do not like it either but I do like the fire operations building.....

[Front_Range_Guy]

In all honesty, Sunshine is probably my favorite beer. I like variety, but when it comes down to it, I'm all about the Sunshine Wheat.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Yeah, the fire operations center building isn't too horrible, it's much newer though. My biggest problem with the POC is it's location. I wish it were in the core of downtown.

[Eeyore]

In all honesty, Sunshine is probably my favorite beer. I like variety, but when it comes down to it, I'm all about the Sunshine Wheat.

I prefer Smeernoff Ice with grenadine!

[acw007]

You bring up another point that I always hated living up there was the railroad tracks going right though the city. Pueblo has them and so does Colorado Springs but we have them going over the streets on bridges, what a novelty...

Most of the tracks in Fort Collins aren't used anymore and are being saved for future light rail. As far as having the train on an elevated track goes... I'll take my train in the middle of the road. An elevated track would be a HUGE eyesore.

[Eeyore]

Most of the tracks in Fort Collins aren't used anymore and are being saved for future light rail. As far as having the train on an elevated track goes... I'll take my train in the middle of the road. An elevated track would be a HUGE eyesore.

It they kep it in downtown yes it would but if they moved the main tracks east by the interstate it would not be. Its not like you guys have a large train yard, like Pueblo does, to worry about.

[Front_Range_Guy]

There was a coal train rolling down the middle of a surface street in Fort Collins the day I was there. In Fort Collins case, it seems like the best plan would be to move the freight tracks east of I-25.

[Front_Range_Guy]

LOL eeyere. I'm strictly talking beer, don't get me started on the hard stuff. Not that Smirnoff is the most hard drink you'll ever have in your life, but you get my point.

[Eeyore]

LOL eeyere. I'm strictly talking beer, don't get me started on the hard stuff. Not that Smirnoff is the most hard drink you'll ever have in your life, but you get my point.

I think it has the same amount of alchol as beer, you can buy it in a grocery store.

[Front_Range_Guy]

You're probably right. I was going to go into a whole thing about Long Island Ice tea's, but didn't... needless to say, they are my weakness. Getting drunk in downtown Colorado Springs is considered taboo amongs the liberal urbanists of our burgh, but on my last birthday that's exactly what I did... and I liked it. Not so much the next day.

Not that I make a habit of it, but there is something relaxing about squeezing into The Ritz (http://www.ritzgrill.com/) with hundreds of other people, listening to crappy live music, drinking until you are near death, then stumbling out to a cab and heading home.

[Eeyore]

My cousin tells me that Boulder and Loveland want to build a highway from Boulder up to Fort Collins but that Fort Collins does not want one, he says they should do it with out Fort Collins and have it stop in Loveland.

[acw007]

Because most of our current growth downtown is centered around the Mason corridor I can't really complain about them. The tracks may have been a nuisance in the past but they are the key to our future growth and connection to Denver.

[acw007]

My cousin tells me that Boulder and Loveland want to build a highway from Boulder up to Fort Collins but that Fort Collins does not want one, he says they should do it with out Fort Collins and have it stop in Loveland.

I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not sure you know either lol. Where would this go? Highway 287 already does that job. It's College Ave. in Fort Collins, Cleveland Ave. in Loveland, and Main St. in Longmont.

[Front_Range_Guy]

I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not sure you know either lol.

Quote of the night. :haha:

[Eeyore]

I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not sure you know either lol. Where would this go? Highway 287 already does that job. It's College Ave. in Fort Collins, Cleveland Ave. in Loveland, and Main St. in Longmont.

I will ask my cousin for the details again but from what I remember they want it to be a free way.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Here's something I ponder about. I noticed KGWN (CBS in Cheyenne) launched something called "NoCo5" in Fort Collins. Is this a cable only station, or can you pick it up over the air? Do they do an okay job or is it uber crap?

[Eeyore]

Quote of the night. :haha:

LOL that is funny!


:haha:

[Eeyore]

I was told that the other PBS station in Denver is going on Comcast in the Springs and have a antenna on Cheyenne mountain. That could be one reason Rocky Mountain PBS is pulling out of the Springs area. Along with politics of course.

I was also told that the KOAA attenna is the talelst in the area.....

[Front_Range_Guy]

KBDI (the other, and in my opinion, better PBS station) is in fact putting a transmitter on Cheyenne Mountain. They've been on cable here for years. I don't think that really has anything to do with the move, but I do look forward to picking up KBDI's digital signal once they get the transmitter moved down here. They are putting a new full power digital transmitter in Denver, and moving their low power digital transmitter (currently serving Denver) down to Colorado Springs.

KOAA's antenna probably is the tallest because of it's location. It still isn't enough to overcome the elevation difference between COS and PUB, though the digital transmitter is on Cheyenne Mountain, so it's not an issue. Having K30AA will give KOAA an advantage after June 12.

[acw007]

Here's something I ponder about. I noticed KGWN (CBS in Cheyenne) launched something called "NoCo5" in Fort Collins. Is this a cable only station, or can you pick it up over the air? Do they do an okay job or is it uber crap?

It's complete crap. Their focus is the tri-state area (Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming) and you can imagine what the news out of Nebraska is like... The top story of the day is usually about how Jim Smith shot him self a real big deer by that new Wallmart in Ogalalla... and so on.

But they did build a cool news room in downtown next to the Melting Pot.

[acw007]

...and yep, it's cable only.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Sounds lame. Too bad. I know KGWN's ownership wants Neilson to take Fort Collins out of the Denver market and create a Fort Collins-Greeley-Cheyenne market. I think I read some time ago that Greeley is getting a tv station, but who know's what happened with that.

I know a lot of CSU alum in Colorado Springs working in the tv biz who would love to cover news in Fort Collins, if only there were an outlet. CTV doesn't count.

[acw007]

Sounds lame. Too bad. I know KGWN's ownership wants the FCC to take Fort Collins out of the Denver market and create a Fort Collins-Greeley-Cheyenne market. I think I read some time ago that Greeley is getting a tv station, but who know's what happened with that.

If they could pull it off it would be pretty awesome. I think what they need to do is move their operations here and give norther Colorado more coverage. Nobody cares what's going on Nebraska. Not even the people in Nebraska.

[Eeyore]

See Pueblo has a staton and Fort Collins does not!

:P

But I agree its time you guys got one.....

[Eeyore]

If they could pull it off it would be pretty awesome. I think what they need to do is move their operations here and give norther Colorado more coverage. Nobody cares what's going on Nebraska. Not even the people in Nebraska.

Not sure about that, I know I want to know if Jim Bob went cow tipping or not!

:whip:

[Front_Range_Guy]

Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. They call it "Northern Colorado 5." Why the hell are they covering Nebraska? I think a Northern Colorado-Southern Wyoming market makes sense.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Not sure about that, I know I want to know if Jim Bob went cow tipping or not!

:whip:

That's what KOAA's for. :P

[acw007]

Isn't the Pueblo station focused on all of Souther Colorado though? As in Colorado Springs & Pueblo?
I don't really mind the Denver stations though... and all of them have Fort Collins news rooms so we get our fair share coverage.

[Eeyore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL8GJSQxeAY

random but I like this news open, I think its cus I love orlando....

[Eeyore]

Isn't the Pueblo station focused on all of Souther Colorado though? As in Colorado Springs & Pueblo?
I don't really mind the Denver stations though... and all of them have Fort Collins news rooms so we get our fair share coverage.

Yes we humor Colorado Springs by having them first so they can think it is located in their city when it is in fact located in Pueblo! The funny thing is most people in the Springs do think that the news is broadcast from there because the antenna is on Cheyenne mountain, like the news cast people drive up there every night for the news or something lol

:haha:

[acw007]

Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. They call it "Northern Colorado 5." Why the hell are they covering Nebraska? I think a Northern Colorado-Southern Wyoming market makes sense.

The norther Colorado news bit last all of 30 min a day. Norther Colorado- Southern Wyoming does make way more sense. Cheyenne is only 35 miles from Fort Collins. It's still a world away but damn close.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Isn't the Pueblo station focused on all of Souther Colorado though? As in Colorado Springs & Pueblo?
I don't really mind the Denver stations though... and all of them have Fort Collins news rooms so we get our fair share coverage.

Yeah. The station's in Colorado Springs & Pueblo cover all of Southeast Colorado. KOAA (NBC) and KTSC (PBS) are based in Pueblo while KKTV (CBS), KRDO (ABC), and KXRM(FOX) are in Colorado Springs. KOAA is generally regarded as the Pueblo station, and to be fair, they do kick butt when it comes to covering Pueblo news. When it comes to Pueblo, the other stations don't come close.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Most of the talent on KOAA live in Colorado Springs and commute to Pueblo. As far as the main anchor team goes, I think Daniels is the only one who lives in Pueblo. In fact, I'm pretty sure he is a native. Lyden lives in some wealthy gated community near Garden of the Gods. I hear they car pool to Pueblo.

[Front_Range_Guy]

The norther Colorado news bit last all of 30 min a day. Norther Colorado- Southern Wyoming does make way more sense. Cheyenne is only 35 miles from Fort Collins. It's still a world away but damn close.

If Colorado Springs-Pueblo makes sense, there's no reason that Fort Collins-Cheyenne wouldn't.

[Eeyore]

Most of the talent on KOAA live in Colorado Springs and commute to Pueblo. As far as the main anchor team goes, I think Daniels is the only one who lives in Pueblo. In fact, I'm pretty sure he is a native. Lyden lives in some wealthy gated community near Garden of the Gods. I hear they car pool to Pueblo.

Actually I was talking about that tonight with my friend here is what we think:

Gorge ann lives in Pueblo, and she is the one who give it away the most that KOAA is here.

Lisa lives in Pueblo

Rob Quark lives in the Springs

Mike Dannials lives in Pueblo

Mike Madison (who KKTV fired cus they are DUMB) lives in the Springs

the other two weather guys live in Pueblo

Lee Douglass lives in Pueblo

Not sure about the weekend anchors.

[acw007]

Have you made the drive between Fort Collins & Cheyenne? It's pretty much where they filmed The Hills Have Eyes...

[Eeyore]

If Colorado Springs-Pueblo makes sense, there's no reason that Fort Collins-Cheyenne wouldn't.

The only issue I see is that Cheyenne is tied to Casper with television news....

[Front_Range_Guy]

Really? Last I heard, Lisa was in The Springs. Maybe she has moved since. She's also the highest paid anchor in the market last I heard.

The drive from Cheyenne to Fort Collins? Not since 1998... and it was dark.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Honestly, though, it seems like right now Casper is the main television market in Wyoming, and Cheyenne is an after thought. It might not hurt to separate them.

[Eeyore]

We could be wrong but just what we came up with. She might be they are the best team I think not only here but in the state as they have been around for so long. To see early clips back when KOAA struggled is kind of funny....

KCNC Denver has to have the honor for the station that droped the most. Back in the day they were good now I cant stand them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nOi5nSfTFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GkMdrlLpBI&feature=related

From their hay day!

[acw007]

The only issue I see is that Cheyenne is tied to Casper with television news....
It couldn't be much different from a pueblo station station reporting news from
La Junta.

Never mind... I forgot Casper was larger than Cheyenne...

[Front_Range_Guy]

A WESH open from '87? Nice.

Try this on for size Eeyore (http://southernmedia-nmsa.com/). No visuals, but still a nice trip down memory lane.

I grew up watching 13, so "News Series 2000" on KRDO from '91 to '96 brings back a ton of memories for me.

When you get to the home page, click the word "market" under region. Colorado Springs-Pueblo is market #91, Denver is #18.

[Front_Range_Guy]

I kinda like KCNC. If anything, I think KUSA is the falling star of Denver right now. Such a solid station, going through such tough times right now.

[Eeyore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTfl7AEdHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENf3LDZHbk

Two more I like, yes I have no life........

How do I use the link you had, do I need to log in?

[Front_Range_Guy]

If you check out the news music archive, I suggest clicking on the tv's (when available) and the music notes. The music notes are just cuts from the raw music packages. They are a thing of beauty.

[Front_Range_Guy]

Don't worry, i'm the ultimate SSP news nerd.

*this is a must see*
WXYZ detroit's use of Cool Hand Luke is incredible. Check this. It's totally relevant to the SSP conversation, and a kick ass news music package.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX4i8URloFs)
KRDO's "News Series 2000" was sort of an off shoot from the original "Cool Hand Luke" package, famous on several ABC station's in the 60's and 70's. Cool Hand Luke and the famous "circle 7" seen in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit... go hand in hand.

[Eeyore]

Don't worry, i'm the ultimate SSP news nerd.

WXYZ detroit's use of Cool Hand Luke is incredible. Check this. It's totally relevant to the SSP conversation, and a kick ass news music package.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX4i8URloFs)
KRDO's "News Series 2000" was sort of an off shoot from the original "Cool Hand Luke" package, famous on several ABC station's in the 60's and 70's. Cool Hand Luke and the famous "circle 7" seen in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit... go hand in hand.

That was powerful.......

[Eeyore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQ0pwzskus&feature=PlayList&p=C34F901741E28561&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpAelrtvKBU&feature=related

This guy is funny

[Front_Range_Guy]

There are plenty of great opens from the Denver market on Youtube, and I also suggest this WTMJ open from Milwaukee. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUu1qw154Qw)

[Eeyore]

Kewl, look at this out of s florida...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVYF7ueH-w

[Front_Range_Guy]

I miss the days of real news opens. Thankfully, they are still alive in some markets. I present to you, the ultimate. A news package so powerful, the citizens revolted when they got rid of it a few years back, and the package was put back on the air... THE "6 ABC", WPVI-TV, Philadelphia. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9f7IWw8_s)

The winner. Hands down. There is no dispute.

[Eeyore]

I miss the days of real news opens. Thankfully, they are still alive in some markets. I present to you, the ultimate. A news package so powerful, the citizens revolted when they got rid of it a few years back, and the package was put back on the air... THE "6 ABC", WPVI-TV, Philadelphia. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9f7IWw8_s)

The winner. Hands down. There is no dispute.

IDK I think I like wesh from 1987 better......

[Eeyore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLglT3zD08

this is just funny...

[Front_Range_Guy]

No way. WPVI is timeless. It worked 30 years ago, and it works now. I'll look at it for real though. I'm on dial up, so these things take a while to load for me.

[Eeyore]

No way. WPVI is timeless. It worked 30 years ago, and it works now. I'll look at it for real though. I'm on dial up, so these things take a while to load for me.

Your on dial up!! :yuck:

Sorry i am just a little tipsy my self

I think we bored our friend from Fort Collins lol

[Front_Range_Guy]

Also, I don't know this for sure.. but I've noticed KKTV using a new version of the "KKTV 11 News Logo" in it's promos along with a new slogan "On Your Side." They've used "Coverage You Can Count On" since 1997. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them roll out a new graphics package, maybe even new music, sometime in the next 2 weeks as we head into sweeps.

[Front_Range_Guy]

How about this from the 80's, part of KKTV's "Hello Colorado" image campaign. It's delightfully awful. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6d_ld7ZKxc)

[Eeyore]

Also, I don't know this for sure.. but I've noticed KKTV using a new version of the "KKTV 11 News Logo" in it's promos along with a new slogan "On Your Side." They've used "Coverage You Can Count On" since 1997. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them roll out a new graphics package, maybe even new music, sometime in the next 2 weeks as we head into sweeps.

They need to do something......

I do find it funny that as soon as Pueblo got all these new developments all of a sudden the Springs stations decided to have a big presence down here. I always see them driving around in their little vans now lol