[harryc]

http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6u5B-BqA2I/AAAAAAAAZGE/VvaYcpNNcuE/P1210956.JPG?imgmax=800

http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6u5FOBqA4I/AAAAAAAAZGg/E5IJh6ifwBQ/P1210966.JPG?imgmax=720

Corners
http://lh4.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6u5DuBqA3I/AAAAAAAAZGU/Ko264zYj1LU/P1210963.JPG?imgmax=720


Jan 2
http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R4e2FpmXklI/AAAAAAAAU7U/kEfZinq_n5k/P1170783.JPG?imgmax=640

Jan 18
http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R5N-lbIwhCI/AAAAAAAAV10/3zujUXPW3-Q/P1190874.JPG?imgmax=640

Jan 31
http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6RpMOBp-mI/AAAAAAAAYXc/snWKvamx-mY/P1210238.JPG?imgmax=640

Feb 07
http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6u5bOBqA7I/AAAAAAAAZHE/deePAH7VupM/P1210840.JPG?imgmax=640

[honte]

Harry is the Rumor Wrecker!

[Steely Dan]

^ indeed.

i'm digging that 1 month progress montage, harry. facts are so much cooler than the mindless speculation brought about by impatience and boredom.

[Knightwing]

http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R6u5FOBqA4I/AAAAAAAAZGg/E5IJh6ifwBQ/P1210966.JPG?imgmax=720



I thought Prarie was supplying concrete? Indeed Harry is the rumor terminator!!!

[chi-arch]

I walked by the site yesterday and lots of activity as usual. Standing across the river looking back(ala some of these spectacular photos) the project looks huge and defys it's diminutive floor plate. Sparks were flying everywhere on the curtain wall support structure and if you look at Harry's progress pics you will see that they are moving rapidly on the supports for the skin. Thanks for catching that concrete truck in action! :tup:

[Dalton]

I walked by the site yesterday and lots of activity as usual. Standing across the river looking back(ala some of these spectacular photos) the project looks huge and defys it's diminutive floor plate. Sparks were flying everywhere on the curtain wall support structure and if you look at Harry's progress pics you will see that they are moving rapidly on the supports for the skin. Thanks for catching that concrete truck in action! :tup:

That's not definitive proof. The driver may have been confused and pulled up to the wrong construction site. This may be a ruse devised by the developer to reassure frightened early buyers. There's no proof there's any concrete in that truck. The truck may be there to repossess concrete. The driver may have been hired by agents of Bush and Cheney to plant demolition charges so the developers can claim insurance money and lucrative federal grants to rebuild....

[wrab]

2/7/08:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/wview-2.jpg

[chi-arch]

^^^Yep, that's the view all right. My clients are in the 325 N LaSalle building and that pic is taken from the SouthWest corner of that building. :)

I love how this shot lines the bridge walkway with Ceres on top of the Board of Trade building too.


Up we go! :tup:

[wrab]

^ LaSalle St canyon is the best - even better than the Park Ave canyon view towards Helmsley & PanAm, IMHO. I always show it to out-of-towners, because it's just so awesomely Chicago.

[dagobert]

HarryC and wrabbit have posted newer photos, but since I took these I might as well post them too. Technically taken Feb. 4

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2257340720_3c0d316786.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/2256544811_2c4defb941.jpg?v=0

[Steely Dan]

2.10.2008

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5489/smallor2.jpg


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5526/detailil2.jpg


pics taken by me.

[Chitown]

^^I've never seen a crane more in need of a jump.

[Knightwing]

^:haha: It's like smoking something down to the point where it burns your fingers.

[NYguy]

2/7/08:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/wview-2.jpg

This one will be very nice from that angle.

[ufdigga]

Is there any word on when the curtain wall starts showing up?

[aaron38]

Waterview is complimenting the LaSalle-Wacker building really well at this point. I think it looks a lot better not being alone anymore. (especially on the east)

[Tom Servo]

Waterview is complimenting the LaSalle-Wacker building really well at this point. I think it looks a lot better not being alone anymore. (especially on the east)

i agree. i just hope the facade turns out well. because i haven't seen enough of the design to really evaluate what will turn out. i'm wary of this tower. though i'm nonetheless optimistic about the quality of the final product.

[honte]

^^I've never seen a crane more in need of a jump.

Well, rumor has it that they are $5 short of the funds to jump the crane, but no one will bum them a five. ;)

[Knightwing]

^:haha:

[10023]

Just pretend I said something funny about a roach clip. It's late and I'm tired.

[TowerGuy37]

looks about to be the 18th floor right now??? Does anyone know which floor their on??

[Knightwing]

Does anyone have an idea why the floor per week ratio is so slow given the relatively small floor plates?

[chi-arch]

looks about to be the 18th floor right now??? Does anyone know which floor their on??

18 is poured. They are working on 19. The last floor of parking is 11(sloped) and you can count up from there.

[BVictor1]

^:haha: It's like smoking something down to the point where it burns your fingers.

Been there done that :cool: :D

[Spiral Architect]

Haven't seen this slender lady in over a month. I see from the photos that the workers are placing the curtain wall hangers. Any word on when the actual curtain wall will be shipped from over from China and the hanging process begun? Despite the ample photos, renderings, etc., I'm still agnostic about the skin.

[Steely Dan]

* posts deleted *

no rumors, guys. we'll just have to wait for any articles to be published until we can discuss them.

[andydie]

Hiya guys,

after nearly a month here comes my latest update for this cool tower:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2pkb0f_V0

Music: Robyn - Handle Me (Voodoo and Serano Remix)

Enjoy:)

[harryc]

http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7T-tCkQ_nI/AAAAAAAAZ2c/DzFXFFsBjuE/P1220695.JPG?imgmax=800

Across the street
http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7T_QSkQ_wI/AAAAAAAAZ4c/TLt-CaF5Z8Y/P1220701.JPG?imgmax=800

Across the river
http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7T-_CkQ_rI/AAAAAAAAZ3c/OkB4nNJKWpM/P1220705.JPG?imgmax=640

[SolarWind]

February 13, 2008

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7392/dsc0066dp0.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5320/dsc0040sp6.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3650/dsc0044hz5.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7154/dsc0063ku5.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5650/dsc0098sc7.jpg

[VA_Gentleman]

Harry and Solarwind, Great photos. It looks like the crane needs to be bumped up. I'm also glad to see the glass going up quickly across the river on 300 N. LaSalle.

[honte]

The Loop Transportation Center building looks so much better now that Waterview has given it a neighbor. Or, is it just SolarWind's awesome photography?

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ I was just going to comment on how nice it looks as well!

[photoLith]

I cant believe what is going on in that area, its going to be beautiful in the not too distant future!

[Henkka]

So is the crane going to be climbing up on the outside of the building once the wedge shape starts?

[BVictor1]

So is the crane going to be climbing up on the outside of the building once the wedge shape starts?

Yes.

Also, I was just told by one of my contacts that they hope to be around the 60th floor of so by years end.

[Alliance]

Yes.

Also, I was just told by one of my contacts that they hope to be around the 60th floor of so by years end.

So the whole project should be wrapped up by...guestimating 1Q 2010?

[Ryan81]

Original Image by HarryC

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/43183/2004574891649034417_rs.jpg

[BVictor1]

^^Cool!!

02/09/08
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/02/593690.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/02/593691.jpg

[honte]

Thanks for the montage Ryan. For some reason, I always thought the setback was aligned with the LaSalle-Wacker's. Too bad they couldn't pull that off. (Small complaint.)

[BVictor1]

Thanks for the montage Ryan. For some reason, I always thought the setback was aligned with the LaSalle-Wacker's. Too bad they couldn't pull that off. (Small complaint.)

Maybe it's aligned with the roof of the Transportation Center. It's kind of hard to tell, and it doesn't really matter.

[wrab]

Very interesting, Ryan81 (and HarryC) - thank you.

[photoLith]

I was a real fan of this building but after seeing those renderings a few posts ago, it looks kinda weird. Its way way too thin for my taste in buildings. Maybe it will look good, Im sure it will but thats just kinda strange looking to me at least.

[Ryan81]

:previous: I think the proportions are great! It just depends on the angle.

Sketchup model: Waterview Tower - Still need to add textures such as windows. Still needs a little finishing detail, but this one is almost done.

http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/45190/2000350244451937827_rs.jpg

[Tom Servo]

nothing against your drawing ryan, but man, i really hope the glass isn't blue like that. :(
i was kinda hoping, from those crappy renderings, that the whole tower'd be a silver sliver. and had imagined some relatively clear glass. :shrug: we'll see

[CGII]

Ryan, when yr done with that I'd love to throw it through a rendering program...

[photoLith]

It looks really good from most sides, but that really thin side is just atrocious. It looks bad because it looks like the building is really short then someone came along and said, "hey lets make it taller, but just this really thin part, yeah that looks good". If the rood that lower roof wasnt so flat then it would be better ro if it eventually stepped up instead of just ending at the 27th floor or thereabouts.

[photoLith]

sorry about the mistypes, that last sentence should read, "If the lower roof wasnt so flat then it would be a lot better or if it eventually stepped up instead of just ending at the 27th floor or thereabouts.

[Apex]

sorry about the mistypes, that last sentence should read, "If the lower roof wasnt so flat then it would be a lot better or if it eventually stepped up instead of just ending at the 27th floor or thereabouts.

Please use the "edit" button next time then.

[photoLith]

Sorry, thanks for letting me know, didnt know you could do that.

[Ryan81]

nothing against your drawing ryan, but man, i really hope the glass isn't blue like that. :(
i was kinda hoping, from those crappy renderings, that the whole tower'd be a silver sliver. and had imagined some relatively clear glass. :shrug: we'll see

I don't think it will be that blue. I just chose a blue color to represent the windows until I replace it with a window texture to hopefully make it look more realistic. There is only so far you can take it with Sketchup. Making the face transparent or semi-transparent slows the model down too much at this scale.

[i_am_hydrogen]

nothing against your drawing ryan, but man, i really hope the glass isn't blue like that. :(

It won't be. Great models though, ryan81.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1849/ba3lv8.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/329/ba2nx4.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3350/ba5es9.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4893/waterviewtower065wx.jpg

[photoLith]

Incredible job I am hydrogen. Those are some spectacular renders!

[Beck4ABigChicago]

When I first started looking around we had these amazing models popping up quite a bit (back in the STR days, wonder where he is?). I am happy to see someone else posting them, these are truly my favorite part of the threads. Incredible work RYAN, HYDORGEN, HARRY. Very cool to see all your work.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Just to clarify, those aren't my models. As far as I know, they are from Teng.

[honte]

It looks really good from most sides, but that really thin side is just atrocious.

I would say that's probably the best part of this design - interior and exterior.

[andydie]

nice renders Ryan81:tup: It surely will be an awesome building. Strange is that always when i do a video update for this one the next day follow new pictures, lol:rolleyes:

[wrab]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3350/ba5es9.jpg

Your own private terrace, 900 feet up! Could that be a record for residential terrace height?

[Ducov]

:previous: Yeah that would be an awesome place to sit, but you wouldn't want to get sloshed one night and accidentally fall off.

Those are superb models Ryan81 by the way, along with Hydrogen's they really help to demonstrate how this building will eventually shape up

But I do agree that from that specific angle the sudden slenderness of the tower looks odd, but overall it definitely improves the aesthetic of the finished building. I guess if they were to continue the box plan to that side, most of the condo's there would have ended up with a terrible view.

[chi-arch]

Just to clarify, those aren't my models. As far as I know, they are from Teng.

Yes, these are Teng renders. I would assume that they are quite accurate and this is good timing to visualize again what is coming. 60th floor by year-end (Thanks Victor!) is awesome. :cheers:

[wrab]

It looks really good from most sides, but that really thin side is just atrocious. It looks bad because it looks like the building is really short then someone came along and said, "hey lets make it taller, but just this really thin part, yeah that looks good". If the rood that lower roof wasnt so flat then it would be better ro if it eventually stepped up instead of just ending at the 27th floor or thereabouts.

Waterview's form is all about maximizing the number of units with those guaranteed (unobstructed) and oh-so-desirable view corridors. If you think about the shape this way - as a clever & elegant means to maximizing guaranteed views - then I think you might like its shape more.

[dagobert]

Does anyone know why the hotel portion has roughly 1/4 of the floor area on each floor left empty. If you look at the plans availabel on waterview.com website, you can notice that the entire southwest quadrant of each hotel floor is blank. What is going on?

84th floor penthouse will have the most terrace space- over 1,300 sq ft. That is just mind blowing. Whoever will own the 84th penthouse will surely have the best spot for a summer party or july 4th get-together to impress their peers and show-off.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3350/ba5es9.jpg

[photoLith]

Now that I have seen some better renders here, I like it better, but I'll wait till I see photos of the finished product to make my final decision.

This is the best part of the forum and why I love it cause we get these awesome renders so we can see what the building may look lilke, yay! Thanks everyone.

[headcase]

Does anyone know why the hotel portion has roughly 1/4 of the floor area on each floor left empty. If you look at the plans availabel on waterview.com website, you can notice that the entire southwest quadrant of each hotel floor is blank. What is going on?

It's not empty, just not available for rooms. That space has no views at all, and will probably be used for "back of the house" uses (offices, storage, and the like)

SSDD

[dagobert]

It's not empty, just not available for rooms. That space has no views at all, and will probably be used for "back of the house" uses (offices, storage, and the like)

SSDD

When you say no views at all, do you mean there won't be any windows at all or that the view out the window will into an office building 15 feet away?

What about that hole visible in BVictor's and SolarWind's pictures?
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8789/dsc0008zj0.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8637/dsc0051ab5.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/580571.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6676/dsc0082af9.jpg

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ No, you are right, there is nothing there, there are going to be several huge pockets of dead space in the base of this tower where there is little to no chance of sunlight penetrating. This increases how tall they are able to build this tower by allowing them to transfer the floor area from those voids to the top of the tower...

[aaron38]

Waterview's form is all about maximizing the number of units with those guaranteed (unobstructed) and oh-so-desirable view corridors. If you think about the shape this way - as a clever & elegant means to maximizing guaranteed views - then I think you might like its shape more.

I'm wondering though about the unobstructed nature of the views from the SE facing diagonal face. Are the low buildings on the east side of Clark at Lake landmarked or something? Because if anything tall was built on those lots, there go the SE views.

[photoLith]

yeah thats what I was thinking too, seems that they should have maybe rearranged the buildings design to better face the river where there will most likely always be an unobstructed view. Because all of those people facing south would be f'd if they ever built a taller building in that area, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later.

[honte]

Are the low buildings on the east side of Clark at Lake landmarked or something? Because if anything tall was built on those lots, there go the SE views.

The Harris and Selwyn theatre facades (incorporated into Goodman Theatre) are Landmarked. So are the Delaware Building and the Oliver Building. These are on Dearborn Street "in the way" of Waterview's view corridor. I think those are the ones you are thinking of. Further east, you have the Page Brothers building, Chicago Theatre, and Marshall Field's too. Also, City Hall is a Landmark.

Couple this with the fact that the Thompson Center isn't going anywhere, and you have a pretty secure view to the SE. The biggest risk I think is the Loop Transportation Center. Also that garage they built where the twin of 181 Clark was supposed to go.

[BVictor1]

yeah thats what I was thinking too, seems that they should have maybe rearranged the buildings design to better face the river where there will most likely always be an unobstructed view. Because all of those people facing south would be f'd if they ever built a taller building in that area, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later.

They've been arranged in the best way possible for maximum value of units and the structure wouldn't mess up the Wacker streetwall.

[simcityaustin]

When they get windows, they should be able to put them up fast I'm guessing. 2/16/08

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/maxisguy/Waterview21608-1.jpg

[i_am_hydrogen]

I was under the impression that everyone had seen all of the Teng models. A few more:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9687/waterviewtower048bl.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7153/waterviewtower078er.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4990/ba4ww9.jpg

[budman]

The Harris and Selwyn theatre facades (incorporated into Goodman Theatre) are Landmarked. So are the Delaware Building and the Oliver Building. These are on Dearborn Street "in the way" of Waterview's view corridor. I think those are the ones you are thinking of. Further east, you have the Page Brothers building, Chicago Theatre, and Marshall Field's too. Also, City Hall is a Landmark.

Couple this with the fact that the Thompson Center isn't going anywhere, and you have a pretty secure view to the SE. The biggest risk I think is the Loop Transportation Center. Also that garage they built where the twin of 181 Clark was supposed to go.
^I thought the Loop Transportation Center was office condo?

[honte]

^ Oh, I could definitely be wrong on that... I am pretty sure at least the parking and office are separately owned.

[aaron38]

Also that garage they built where the twin of 181 Clark was supposed to go.

Yeah, with the Walgreens on the first floor, that's the one I was thinking of. But I doubt anything in the future on that lot would break 500', so most of the views are secure.

[BVictor1]

It would be interesting to see if something were to happen where the food court is on the corner.

[BVictor1]

I was told that hopefully we'll begin to see window/granite installation within the next month or so, we'll see.

[jc5680]

I was told that hopefully we'll begin to see window/granite installation within the next month or so, we'll see.

I don't mean to stir up the speculation machine, but given the progression of glass/facade on buildings such as aqua and the elsyian, (both buildings seem to be at comparable heights at the moment) Would the lack of facade work done yet be a cause for concern.

Does exterior work usually start at the same point in most highrise construction projects, or would there be a reason to hold off.

[chi-arch]

^ See post #1229 for more information.

[Deepstar]

This one's coming along nicely. Thanks for the updates!

[chi-arch]

I just received an invitation to the CAF Luncheon Lecture series on March 5th featuring Thomas Hoepf and Sean McMahon from Teng regarding Waterview Tower. There is a Post Lecture Tour in the showroom at 121 Wacker. I plan on going and if I learn anything new I'll let you all know.

Yeah, I know; "when is the skin going up"....

[harryc]

Feb 15
http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7bikikRAYI/AAAAAAAAaI0/r73luzHJX9g/P1220925.JPG?imgmax=640

Feb 19
http://lh3.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7trBikRCHI/AAAAAAAAavs/wANFpnkIKsg/P1230178.JPG?imgmax=640

[pablosan]

Thanks for the updates. It's progressing well.

[photoLith]

This building is just creeping along, by the way what is the building next door? Is it an office or hotel or what?

[Apex]

The art deco building (to the right) is the Lasalle-Wacker building (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b25979), and the recent building to the left is 77 West Wacker Drive (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b1686), formerly known as the RR Donnelley Building.

[johnandahalf]

The art deco building (to the right) is the Lasalle-Wacker building (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b25979), and the recent building to the left is 77 West Wacker Drive (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b1686), formerly known as the RR Donnelley Building.

I wondered the same thing. Thanks for the info.

I'm crazy about the Lasalle Wacker building, but very sane (not at all crazy) about 77WW. Too bad Lasalle Wacker is office. It would seem to make a good res bldg, although I have no idea how it interacts with the street. I'd live there, though. :)

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[Haworthia]

I'm hoping to get a clarification regarding above. Waterview Tower has two nearest neighbors, one that is directly to the West (right) and one directly to the South (behind). There is also a building across the street (left/East). Which building is which?

[deejer8]

the one to the left/east is 77 W Wacker (formerly RR Donnelly - though I didn't know it was no longer referred to as such!). The one to the right/west is the LaSalle Wacker building (though I think it looks like a dinosaur among much better buildings nearby - namely the RR Donnelly!).

the one behind the Waterview I know houses a big El Train stop as well as other businesses. Not exactly sure of the name, though.

[Western Spaghetti]

Nice updates!

[chi-arch]

the one behind the Waterview I know houses a big El Train stop as well as other businesses. Not exactly sure of the name, though.


Loop transportation center seen here

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5650/dsc0098sc7.jpg

[VivaLFuego]

It would be interesting to see if something were to happen where the food court is on the corner.

Heh, I like how you subtly slipped this one in here.

[Harold92]

Looks like its getting closer to the first setback.

[harryc]

http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R7zbICkRCdI/AAAAAAAAa5U/96s2OvNAf0U/P1230336.JPG?imgmax=800

[jet cm]

This building is just creeping along, by the way what is the building next door? Is it an office or hotel or what?

Where do you come from? How many complex concrete structures have you seen go up at a floor per week? When / if they get past 29 they'll probably do three days per floor.

[Alliance]

Which, might I add, is what I've observed as the fastest pace for this type of construction.

[budman]

Heh, I like how you subtly slipped this one in here.
^I think that American Invsco owns that property as part of 200 N. Dearborn. I once asked a sales agent what they were going to do with it and he had no idea.

[jet cm]

Which, might I add, is what I've observed as the fastest pace for this type of construction.

There aren't many that do three days and it is pretty quick but I'm aware of two buildings that Walsh has done on a two day cycle.

[SolarWind]

February 22, 2008

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4962/54843606yn8.jpg

[Chitown]

^Hehe, gotta love the 2-for-1 update picture.

[Hayward]

Where do you come from? How many complex concrete structures have you seen go up at a floor per week? When / if they get past 29 they'll probably do three days per floor.

Wow, you need to chill. I don't think he meant he was upset with slow construction, just that's it's moving a long little by little and it's interesting to check out the progress.

Interesting how some people on this board try to twist what others say. Seriously, that was very rude.

[mclancer]

It's slowly catching up to 300 N. Lasalle.
Soon the triangle setback will increase the speed of the
Waterview and make the race a lot closer.