[bvpcvm]

it's got a web site now (http://www.thelovejoy.net/). and there's a sign up.

[zilfondel]

Interesting! Same developer who is doing the Amberglen/Hillsboro plan/development posted recently.

[Dougall5505]

i didn't know this was a two block project. If you go to design and click residential there is a rendering of a 15 story residential building on the block east of the safeway. am i just stupid or has no one else seen this either?

[pdxtraveler]

Yes, they have gone through the whole process as a pair. The residential however didn't have the problems with the design review that the office/store block did. The are already marketing the retail space at the base of the residential tower on the Urban Works website.

[MarkDaMan]

http://www.thelovejoy.net/images/design_office_13.jpghttp://www.thelovejoy.net/images/design_office_14.jpg

fact sheet
http://www.thelovejoy.net/docs/Lovejoy_info%20sheet_Web.pdf

The sign for this was gone when I went through the Pearl this weekend?

[pdxtex]

that's pretty cool that "downtown" will be getting another grocery store and not some yuppie deal like whole foods. how big of a market area will the new safeway serve? ie, will it be competing with the burnside fred meyer or are they far enough apart that sales will stay the same.

[zilfondel]

That's a good question; I bet they'll be competing slightly with Freddie's. For people who live within 6 blocks of Safeway, Whole Paycheck is probably not the best thing for their budgets (although the food is great!), but Fred Meyer is just too far to conveniently walk. You'd probably want to drive there, as its ALL uphill by bicycle, and not too fun in the rain.

I'd really like to see New Seasons get an urban location somewhere besides in the burbs. Either that some independent co-ops, like Food Front... N.S., Wild Oats and company are still in their safe little organic niche markets right now; I'd like to see them expand to the inner part of town for a change.

[MarkDaMan]

New Season's doesn't serve as large an area as the grocery conglomerates require before locating a store. Their stores are a bit smaller than the major chains, and they can attract destination shoppers from the neighborhoods they border...sounds like a New Season's would be good for SoWa?

[edgepdx]

The Pearl Safeway will definately be competing with Freaky Freds for both the Pearl and NW area. I could see lots of NW Portland apartment dwellers going to down to the Pearl Safeway rather than braving Freddies. I've seen all kinds of weird crap go down in front of that Freddies and try to avoid it at all costs.

I wish the new Safeway had been a New Seasons instead, I really despise Whole Paycheck since they don't really buy local and they're just a big corporation out of Texas. They also have that whole food police attitude, I went in there once to buy Band Aids once and they only had the Organic Cotton, Latex Free kind for $5/Box. The good news is New Seasons doing home delivery now.

[tworivers]

I have a feeling that we might see a New Seasons in the Burnside Bridgehead.
They would do great anywhere near PSU, too. Maybe the Montgomery Blocks? On the streetcar line... they'd draw people from accross downtown and the west hills, and down to Sowa...
I guarantee you they are looking at the inner city.
Personally I try and support the eastside food co-ops, but shop at Daily Grind (relatively cheap) and New Seasons too, where the meat/fish/dairy selection is unparalleled. Whole Foods is the doppelganger to Wild Oats, they can kiss my ass. Good place to graze for free though.

From an interview with Paul Hawken, author of "Natural Capitalism" (interesting how most of the U.S. business models he likes are in PDX, huh?):

What are some companies that you think are successfully forging new, sustainable corporate practices?

Hmm ... uh, well ... there aren't too many, and people don't know them so well. Hartmann in Denmark, they do molded-fiber packaging. Uh, let's see. Natura in Brazil is a cosmetic company that works very closely with indigenous people and farmers in Brazil. It works with poor people to develop cash crops that are productive and sustainable for their cultures. Novo Nordisk, they do a lot of work with enzymes that save energy and eliminate chemical use. There's Plambeck in Germany that does great wind parks. STMicroelectronics is a company doing very interesting stuff with a new solar photovoltaic technology that could make solar energy cheaper than all other forms of electricity. Svenska Cellulosa is doing some great things with respect to sustainable forestry. Vestas, the big wind company in Denmark. Easto, a large organic produce company in Europe which does a lot of biodynamic stuff. And of course there is ShoreBank, the enterprise work that Ecotrust is doing, Patagonia, Cooperative Bank in England, and more.

So it doesn't sound like there are many companies in America that you're excited about. Can you compare some of these European companies to American companies? For instance, can you elaborate on why, say, Whole Foods doesn't strike you as an example of a good company?

Whole Foods dismantles local food webs and doesn't foster what the organic movement is about. The organic and natural-food movement that I helped kick off in the late '60s was the beginning of recreating regional food webs. Local stores started all around the country and they began to source locally, and whatever they couldn't get locally they got regionally, and whatever they couldn't get regionally they got nationally. In terms of produce and bakery goods and other food items, there was a huge diversity of suppliers in the United States because there was a huge diversity of stores. Whole Foods went in and bought out the bigger, more successful stores and then rebranded them and did centralized purchasing for produce, which now comes from Chile and New Zealand and places like that. In the process, many local organic producers went out of business. Massive scale and centralization of power and capital is the antithesis of what we had in mind when we started the natural and organic-food business in the U.S.

But does that totally discredit the positive things they are doing?

Good deeds don't erase bad outcomes. But let's talk about the positive things they are doing.

Well, let's say they use recycled packaging and keep pesticides out of the soil. Isn't large-scale organic farming better than non-organic factory farms?

Yes, but still it's large-scale agribusiness.

But they're better than Safeway.

They are guided by profit. So are small companies. So far so good. But when a company gets large and dominant, the same instincts to survive and prosper can become unintentionally harmful. The natural-food movement is being bought up by Phillip Morris and H.J. Heinz and Jimmy Dean. That dog won't hunt. It leads to a lowering of standards, and emphasis on price as opposed to cost. It leads to uniformity, power, concentration, and control. Luckily, there's a slow food movement in the U.S. and lots of things happening that counter that.

And I guess what's more troubling is that Whole Foods can get away with it more easily than Safeway because everybody thinks of them as green. The branding is so powerful that nobody thinks to question it.

To me the company that is exemplary is the New Seasons Market in Portland, Ore. They buy everything they can locally. These are real community food stores with wonderful food and fresh produce and fish. They know the purveyors, they talk about them. They really feed and enhance the local food web of Oregon and southern Washington and Northern California. They are to me your model of what a grocery store can do to help farmers and citizens and communities. And they're price-competitive. I asked them why they didn't come to the Bay area [where I live] and they said, "No! We're local!"

So how could we push this model nationally? Can we introduce federal-level incentives?

Not really -- it's about culture and community. Anyone can do a New Seasons if they are in a community that wants it. And the people who started it -- they have the DNA, they understand what it means to be socially and culturally responsible.

[bvpcvm]

The Pearl Safeway will definately be competing with Freaky Freds for both the Pearl and NW area. I could see lots of NW Portland apartment dwellers going to down to the Pearl Safeway rather than braving Freddies. I've seen all kinds of weird crap go down in front of that Freddies and try to avoid it at all costs.

I guess it has that reputation, but I think it's completely undeserved. I shop there all the time and I've never had any untoward experiences. Hell, while I was in college I worked there for several years. There were some funny moments, but nothing ever truly scary and it's only become more tame over the years. In fact, after work the other night I stopped in at the Beaverton Fred Meyer and thought it was pretty depressing. Then I stopped at the Burnside Freddy's (Beaverton was out of something) and thought "ah, back to real life!" LOL.

Anyway, I suppose I look forward to the Safeway on Lovejoy - at least I look forward to the added street activity, and I'm glad the Pearl will have an alternative to Whole Foods, but I'll probably continue shopping at Fred's (they're exactly equidistant from me).

[PacificNW]

I was just in Freds at Burnside.... I like the store and the people who hang around... It's the city... We shouldn't insulate ourselves from the "real world" a diverse city can have on display, IMO. I like diversity. How can a person who drives to and from work/shopping, etc. get a real feeling on what's happening to their fellow comrades without getting down and dirty?

[edgepdx]

I was just in Freds at Burnside.... I like the store and the people who hang around... It's the city... We shouldn't insulate ourselves from the "real world" a diverse city can have on display, IMO. I like diversity. How can a person who drives to and from work/shopping, etc. get a real feeling on what's happening to their fellow comrades without getting down and dirty?

I agree about experiencing the city, quirks and all, but the parking garage at that store just attracts some scary elements. One incident I saw this tweaker looking guy push someone down, take their bike and ride off right in front of the store.

[Drmyeyes]

"One incident I saw this tweaker looking guy push someone down, take their bike and ride off right in front of the store." edgepdx

Wouldn't sweat that crap too much unless you saw weapons bared. Sounds like one low-life tweaker taxing another low-life tweaker. Unless what you saw definitely contradicts that theory. There's been a few edgy types that eyed me, but they've never been ballsy or stupid enough to do anything.

I agree with some of the others about accepting the reality of the urban environment. It helps also to develop a steely personal boundry. Most street folks know the limits on what they can do in public. Having a certain amount of edginess around helps to keep it in the public's mind that we have problems that need to be taken care of. Things can get so clean and spiffy that people forget about that.

[bvpcvm]

about half the time i walk there, but when i do drive, i almost always get a spot right in front of the door (in the garage). never had any problems so far.

when i worked there, there was a notorious couple who looked to be older hippies who'd overindulged on LSD. the woman may not have actually been, physically, a woman; it was hard to tell. anyway, they were a little crazy, and one time they pushed one of the employees down the escalator, then came up to the customer service desk (when it was where the floral section is now) and the woman told them: "call security - i wanna fight!" well, security came down and said, ok, take your swing, she did, and they arrested her. that was about as weird as things ever got. sure there are bums, but you can pretty safely ignore them.

my favorite bum, stanley, used to stand outside with his cart and read things like biographies of mao (he's always at the library) and yell at other bums for not reading or doing anything else intellectual.

i did particularly enjoy the worried faces of the mercedes drivers when they found themselves in line next to a grocery cart driver.

no, the stadium freddy's is ok. looking forward to when it's time for the next remodel; rumor is, they'll tear it out and build with apts/condos on top, like the jefferson safeway.

[pdxstreetcar]

no, the stadium freddy's is ok. looking forward to when it's time for the next remodel; rumor is, they'll tear it out and build with apts/condos on top, like the jefferson safeway.

That would be great, maybe they can make the store larger too and carry the departments that the suburban stores have like a full line of electronics. Apparently Stadium Fred Meyer is one of the smallest stores in the chain. I would imagine this new Safeway competition would push Freddie's to remodel sooner rather than later.

[mcbaby]

are there any local supermarkets left in nw portland besides food front?

[PDX City-State]

Wild Oats and company are still in their safe little organic niche markets right now

Wild Oats isn't doing too hot. New Seasons has been eating WO's lunch in PDX. I would love to see New Seasons downtown or in the Central Eastside.

are there any local supermarkets left in nw portland besides food front?

City Market on 21st and Elephant's. Zupans is also local I believe.

I do most of my shoppinng at Freddy's on Burnside--it's candyland compared to the old Safeway store. The prices are cheaper than Safeway.

[zilfondel]

New Season's doesn't serve as large an area as the grocery conglomerates require before locating a store. Their stores are a bit smaller than the major chains, and they can attract destination shoppers from the neighborhoods they border...sounds like a New Season's would be good for SoWa?

Exactly. Thus why do we want larger and larger stores downtown, when not only is space limited, but who destination shops at grocery stores? Most people just go to the nearest one, and thus it makes sense for it to more closely match the scale of the neighborhood.

[CouvScott]

Looks like this project is underway now. Excavation equipment is on site.

[MarkDaMan]

^that good to hear. They had a sign up for awhile with a rendering, and it was taken down in late fall. I was afraid they were rethinking the project again!

[PDX City-State]

And just like that, another huge chunk of Portland rises. I know a lot of cities are growing, but it's amazing to see one built. :cheers:

[bvpcvm]

yay! interesting that it appears they're starting with the non-safeway portion of the project - the east block. i had assumed that was the second phase.

[sirsimon]

And just like that, another huge chunk of Portland rises. I know a lot of cities are growing, but it's amazing to see one built. :cheers:

It is truly exciting to watch. Before I moved to PDX (2002), I probably didn't care too much about what was being built and where. After moving here I got hooked on watching areas get transformed and grow. :)

[MarkDaMan]

anyone been past this lately?

[brandonpdx]

yes, they're dmolishing away. It's too bad they're getting rid of that old brick building across from Bridgeport. That small building has loads of character.

[edgepdx]

yes, they're dmolishing away. It's too bad they're getting rid of that old brick building across from Bridgeport. That small building has loads of character.

And loads of yucky smell. It used to be a dog food factory and smells like dead fish. My guess is there wasn't any way to get the smell out of that building after all it's been closed for several years and it still smelled.

[Snowden352]

Does anyone else dig on the fact that these buildings won't be like the popular flesh-toned towers?
'Cause I do.

[zilfondel]

Does anyone else dig on the fact that these buildings won't be like the popular flesh-toned towers?
'Cause I do.

Uh, what do you mean by "flesh-toned towers" exactly? Example? :sly:

[Snowden352]

Actually you're right... I think "beige malaise" sounds better.

[zilfondel]

^^^ Well, I dunno. Perhaps a giant phallic tower in the pink triangle would be an appropriate architectural gesture? =\

[Snowden352]

Yes. Yes it would.

[PacificNW]

↑ Yup...place it where the Club Portland/Silverado are located.. :)

[CouvScott]

Crane base is set for the condo block.

[Dougall5505]

that was fast

[hi123]

What will the condo part look like?

[MarkDaMan]

isn't it apartments? I saw them working on the crane this weekend...no excavation at all, probably wont be much since it is all above ground parking.

[sopdx]

One block - the western block is the Safeway and office space. The eastern block is apartments with ground floor retail. I believe all the parking is above ground hence the speed. Unfortunately, the structure from the renderings I've seen is nasty. The configuration of the apt building matches the Wyatt directly to the north and is approximately the same height.

[Pearl_Steve]

The crane went up yesterday for the eastern block. You can see The Wyatt and its' crane right behind it.

http://zmrhal.com/pics/safewaycrane.JPG

[Dougall5505]

I thought this was the crane for the lovejoy and the pile driver to the left of it in that picture is for the safeway

[Pearl_Steve]

That's correct - wrong thread I guess. When I said the crane went up for the eastern block I meant the apartment block the lovejoy and not the safeway which is to the west.

[sopdx]

Man, those buildings is ugly. The residential tower reminds me of the Calaroga Terrace in the Lloyd District.

[MarkDaMan]

^they sure are, well, the green Safeway building has been growing on me...but their street connections are incredible. Giving that this neighborhood will rival the Brewery Blocks, I'm glad to see the developers/architects pay attention to the ground level interaction.

[tworivers]

OK, I agree about the ground level interface. Otherwise... big blocky slabs that epitomize mediocre, one with above ground parking, right in the middle of the north Pearl. Hmmm. I'll just stay excited about what HSP does with the rest of their land and try to ignore half-hearted, profit-driven crap like this.

[zilfondel]

This isn't HSP, right? I thought it was a separate developer.

[der Reisender]

its not HSP

[tworivers]

That's what I was trying to say: that I'll ignore (yeah... right) this non-HSP stuff and look forward to HSP successfully implementing their master plan.

[MarkDaMan]

I think I've grown desensitized to mediocre architecture. This is Portland and we don't get much flash. Even in the SoWa, it just isn't world class, better than much of what we've seen, but we have a ways to grow as a market and I don't expect to see a higher level of design until prices are fetching 25%-40% more in five to ten years.

What I can hope for is density, neighborhood amenities, and most of all, street level connections. So this project works for me, although if I was a rich developer, I'd erect something different.

[pdxman]

The crane base for the safeway block was put up today. Its going to be quite a crane party over on lovejoy :)

[zilfondel]

^ this area of town is insane... I used to live over on NW 20th and Marshall, and seeing all those cranes and density mere blocks from where I lived is crazy!

I am curious to see just how the finished buildings will be like, since their 'renderings' were of such poor quality. But neither am I holding my breath...

[Drmyeyes]

DaMan, don't get desensitized. The least you can do is give them what for when they build crap. When everybody keeps on dumbly saying things on the order of "Ooh-o-o....this is so exciting !!", the developers just keep on thinking they're some kind of minor geniuses, and they never exert the slightest effort to commission really inspired design work.

Well, I take that partly back. I guess you are saying the work is missing something. Just don't be desensitized to it. I hope the day comes when some of the people commenting here find themselves in a position to say to some of the people turning this stuff out, "Alright...we've had enough of this! We're gonna do something better!"

[crow]

between this and the wyatt!!!! crapola.

[Pearl_Steve]

Went by there today and snapped some photos from the SW corner of the construction site. In the first pic you can see the crane base setup.

http://zmrhal.com/pics/safeway1.JPG


http://zmrhal.com/pics/safeway2.JPG

[Dougall5505]

cool pics! keep em coming

[pdxstreetcar]

the crane is going up

[Drew-Ski]

This is a very anticipated project for Safeway........I can't wait for this project to be completed.

[Dougall5505]

Hey pearl steve...do you think you could get a pick out your window of all the cranes in the pearl now? or Norskygirl...

[pdxman]

I was just thinking that dougall :)

[Pearl_Steve]

Hey pearl steve...do you think you could get a pick out your window of all the cranes in the pearl now? or Norskygirl...


Was in Los Angeles over the weekend just got back. It's a little cloudy out so not the best pic, but here you go. There are actually 8 cranes in this picture but one of them is at the Widmer expansion across the river and is hard to see in the picture (it's between the two Pearl Waterfront cranes). Enjoy

http://zmrhal.com/pics/8cranes.JPG

[Drew-Ski]

Great shot....... There are certainly a wide variety of architechual styles, shapes, colors, and hts. You can study this photo and find something new every time you look at it. The only thing missing from this picture are a couple 325's in the HSP to the north!

[PacificNW]

I bet those 325' condo towers will be arriving shortly.....My pooch and I had a great time in PDX today...he especially enjoyed the off lease area in Delta Park and all the hustle and bustle of downtown. He made a lot of 2 and 4 legged friends...

[Pearl_Steve]

Here's some more pics I got today from the construction site. They seem to be building these two large concrete towers on the south side of the block first, the rest of the block isn't out of the ground yet. A little different from how the rest of the building in the pearl are going up. Anyone know why they're doing this?

http://leo.noc11.net/~six/safeway3.JPG

http://leo.noc11.net/~six/safeway4.JPG

[Pearl_Steve]

Couldn't find a thread for The Lovejoy, so I'll post it here. From the NW corner of the block.

http://leo.noc11.net/~six/lovejoy.JPG

[Leo]

Those concrete towers look really bizarre. Looks more like they're building a fortress than a Safeway!

[zilfondel]

I wonder if the rest of the building will be steel construction then? The concrete cores usually precede the steel floors in mixed-type construction, as steel goes up so much faster and concrete needs to cure.

[bvpcvm]

remember how they built the fox tower? first they built the elevator shafts and when they were halfway up or so they started building the floors around them. there was an article in the O at the time which said it was the first time in oregon that this construction method had been used, though it's apparently common elsewhere. i don't know if there's any difference given that with the fox tower there was one shaft and here there are several.

[MarkDaMan]

Hey Mike, The Pearl Safeway is actually a mixed use tower that includes parking and office space, and is being built in conjuction with it's sister tower, The Lovejoy. This thread should probably move into the main Portland thread.

[Dougall5505]

good thing theres a porty potty up there http://flickr.com/photos/reidab/
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/1583601580_7ea1e9a2eb_b.jpg

[Snowden352]

Okay... I'll admit it... I think that's funny.

[Pearl_Steve]

The elevator shafts appear to be complete, at least the western one. The eastern one is still missing one side on the top half of it - but they appear to have stopped working on it for now.

http://leo.noc11.net/~six/safeway5.JPG

[Castillonis]

I took the photos that comprise this image at about 1400 on Wed 05Dec07. The frames towards the center are precast concrete that was poured and cured at another location. The towers are poured in place. I understand that the towers have pilings underneath them instead of a pad/mat foundation. I need to ask again.
http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/34931/2004370411805898025_rs.jpg

The previous image that I posted was horrible, so I replaced it.

[Dougall5505]

I've never seen this kind of construction method before. nice shot

[vaderryderwood]

It's called cast-in-place concrete. It's very common with parking structures.
Block 2 is using a post tensioned concrete method which is what most of the Pearl District towers have followed.

Looks like the Machine Works building is following a cast-in-place method as well, but I've also heard that will be a steel frame building.

[Castillonis]

I took these photos at about 1330 on Sunday 30Dec07. I used the ptlens plugin/application to automatically correct geometric abberations. The plugin reads the EXIF information from your camera and makes adjustments to the photo for that particular camera and lens. If your camera/lens is not in the database the author offers to add it if you take specific photos that he needs to add it to the database. He taught computer science in Portland/Beaverton.

Cast in place towers with smaller precast concrete in the middle
http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/40330/2005022388051717018_rs.jpg

precast concrete
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/37329/2005095641083560406_rs.jpg

Steel frame
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/37329/2005082795349023165_rs.jpg

Ramp
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/39193/2005016237499893034_rs.jpg

[PDX City-State]

I'd like to send a shout out to Castillonis for continually posting these great photos. :cheers:

[sirsimon]

^ Hear, hear! :)

[Dougall5505]

thanks cas!

[philopdx]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/2256803242_438e2057aa_b.jpg

With the LoveJoy in the background:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/2256803912_bf266cb4df_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2169/2256804536_e9c1f7c6ff_b.jpg

[Castillonis]

Thanks philopdx. It is a relief to have someone else posting good photos. I used to hurry about taking photos of the different sites. I want to concentrate on getting better images and more pertinent info.

I have been working on a Portland night video, but it has been difficult since I have not used my camera for a while. It's also hard to shoot video alone. I end up getting a poor shots since I am not able to do two things at once.

[sopdx]

You do a great job!

I must say, the smaller portion of of the lovejoy with the shed roofs, look particularly heinous.

[dkealoha]

You do a great job!

I must say, the smaller portion of of the lovejoy with the shed roofs, look particularly heinous.

Yes... look at the siding. Is that corrugated metal?

[MarkDaMan]

I can't wait to see the Lovejoy completed. The rendering made the building look absolutely hideous, and for whatever reason I'm salivating at a building soooo bad it will push the rest of the developers and architects never to do something that horrible again. Kinda like the Portland Building.

I'd love it if nobody rented because of the ugly nature...but the Louisa rented well...

[Okstate]

When is this expected to be complete. i scrolled the thread & didn't see it.

[bvpcvm]

fall 2008, according to the signs out front

[pdxman]

I am very much looking forward to this opening. I work in that area of the pearl and it will be nice to have a supermarket so close for cheap lunches and grocery shopping.

[philopdx]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/2287698522_df5379af8e_b.jpg

[cab]

Hey look its a parking garage. What an absolute beast of a building. I still can't believe both these buildings got through design review.

[bvpcvm]

are they using some sort of prefab technique with this building? i don't recall seeing any forms, and it looks like the parts that are built sort of plug in to each other or something.

[Castillonis]

The corner columns had concrete poured on site. The center of the structure is precast concrete that was poured and cured off site and then delivered. The precase columns and slabs are smaller rectangles when compared to the corner columns. You might look at an earlier photo in this thread to see what I am talking about. A foreman from the machine works building explained much of this to me as well as my step father who is a project manager in another city.

[bvpcvm]

hmm, interesting. it would seem like that must be cheaper (labor-wise). i wonder why it's not done more often?

[Okstate]

Will the hours be the same as the other downtown Safeway? (5:00 am- 1:00 am)

[2oh1]

Fall 2008?!? As in, this fall? I'm having trouble believing it'll be done that soon based on the photo above... but then again, what do I know.

[zilfondel]

Fall 2008?!? As in, this fall? I'm having trouble believing it'll be done that soon based on the photo above... but then again, what do I know.

Actually, the building IS done. Don't you like it? ;)

[philopdx]

Update 3-08-08:

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/2319725889_f36d1b98ed_b.jpg

[philopdx]

Update 3-16-08:

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[philopdx]

Update 3-22-08:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2354247936_013a27c6a9_o.jpg

[MarkDaMan]

God, please start putting on the skin!!! Pretty please...

[WestCoast]

you know, I'm not usually so against stuff like this, but damn that is a square, ugly street interface.

hooray for above ground parking!

[zilfondel]

How would you like to have a condo with a view into a parking garage?

Geez...

[philopdx]

Update 3-29-08:

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