[leebuddy]

Not to make fun of the Bosie's thread or nothing, but you guys are not the only ones that have cursed projects.

As we all know salt lake's RSL has been planning on building a new stadium for the longest time now, but can't seem to come up with the money.
Here is an update on the Real Salt Lake Stadium project in sandy.
Swear to god this damn stadium is never going to get built. :hell:


Stadium deal is at a standstill
By Amelia Nielson-Stowell and Leigh Dethman
Deseret Morning News
It was late August when David Beckham and other players from the Real Madrid soccer team joined local dignitaries in plunging golden shovels into the site of the future Real Salt Lake soccer stadium, with hopes that ground would be broken by November.
It's now the end of November, and construction still has not started on the $180 million, 136-acre project, which includes a hotel and broadcast studio.
Despite pressure from Real Salt Lake officials earlier this year that they had to begin building in August, a deadline that was later pushed back to November, a deal to fund the stadium is at a standstill. A contract has yet to be signed for public funds from Salt Lake County, and team officials and county leaders are still disagreeing over details.
One question under negotiation concerns ownership of the land and infrastructure. County Mayor Peter Corroon wants the county to own all land and infrastructure the county pays for, but Real's chief executive officer, Dean Howes, says the team should own some of that land.
Land ownership has been a sticking point since Corroon first came up with the funding plan in August, according to county, Sandy and team officials. Back then, county leaders huddled together and came up with a $55 million funding package for the stadium: $40 million would come from hotel-room taxes collected from the county, and Sandy leaders pledged $15 million in redevelopment-agency dollars.
The two sides are still trying to figure out who should own what.
"I don't know if there's any clear indication one way or another on that," Howes said Wednesday. "How that gets defined is still being discussed."
Another holdup to the deal is a county-requested review of the team's finances. Currently, an independent consultant is evaluating the Major League Soccer team's financial viability. To avoid the appearance of bias, Corroon hired Economic Research Associates (ERA) to do the financial study, in order to help assure the county that the team won't fold after the county invests $40 million.
The consultant's report is expected to be completed sometime in January, deputy district attorney Jerry Campbell said.
Once the study is complete, the county's Debt Review Committee will convene. Corroon insists he will not approve any funding deal without the committee's endorsement.
However, Doug Willmore, the county's chief administrative officer, said the committee cannot make any decisions without detailed financial information from the team.
"We haven't seen anything," he said. "We're still waiting for that information."
Real gave the county preliminary financial projections in April, which were quickly leaked to the Deseret Morning News and Salt Lake Tribune. Real then threatened to sue over what they called a breach of verbal agreements.
Howes said he plans to give the county the team's financial data, but the two entities are still discussing when and how to deliver that information.
"We have given ERA a complete set of our financial projections, as well as information on the league, so they can answer all questions and concerns," he said.
Real is currently negotiating with property owners at the stadium site, which is on the northwest corner of 9400 South State Street. On Tuesday night, the Sandy City Council approved a zoning request from Real to rezone 12.59 of those acres from residential to commercial.
Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan could not be reached Wednesday because he is out of town until Dec. 11.
Randy Sant, Sandy's economic development director, said the city cannot do anything beyond the zoning permits because the team and county are still discussing finances.
"Until that deal is negotiated, we can't pursue anything on our end," Sant said.

[delts145]

:previous:
Leebuddy,
Great Article!! In reading it over a couple of times, I didn't get the impression that there were any major hurdles that cannot be overcome with due process. Like you, I'm a rabid supporter of this stadium and Real SLC. But, I think they do need to line all their ducks up first before proceeding. Don't worry,it will be built. There are some very important officials intent on seeing this thing through, such as Govenor Huntsman. Utah will do what it has to in order to keep the national vultures from grabbing REAL away from Salt Lake.

[Comrade Reynolds]

:banana:

Great news, thanks for posting it! :)

Here's to them scrapping the idea altogether and moving the team to Reno!

[Viperlord]

RSL secrecy may kill stadium
With no open financial records, team risks losing county funds
By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
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After promising to reveal its finances, Real Salt Lake has called for a confidentiality agreement to keep the Major League Soccer team's business plan and investors secret - even from Salt Lake County leaders who control the funding fate for a Sandy stadium.
The move not only jeopardizes turbulent stadium talks, but also threatens to torpedo the deal itself.
Without the financial details, ''the entire stadium would be at stake,'' Doug Willmore, the county's chief administrative officer, warned Thursday.
The disclosure dispute marks the latest and perhaps steepest hurdle in the plan to erect a 20,000-seat soccer-specific venue, which needs at least $55 million in public money to get off the now-frozen ground.
RSL officials could not be reached for comment late Thursday.
Other signs that the precarious pact may be imploding are sprinkled throughout a series of letters and e-mails - including an allegation of "cowardly, wild, irresponsible, unethical accusations" about Willmore - sent between the stakeholders and obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune through an open-records request.
"Not sending all of your financial data to the DRC [Debt Review Committee], I think, will ensure a negative recommendation from the DRC to the mayor," Willmore wrote to the team's financial adviser this week. "Absent that information, our process will be stopped."
On Oct. 5, the county's Debt Review Committee sent a letter to RSL requesting the financials. Five days later, at a Rotary meeting in downtown Salt Lake City, Checketts told The Tribune, "we have all the financial reports that they need."
Addressing the group - which included Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon and Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan - Checketts went on to say Wall Street heavyweight Goldman Sachs had agreed to back the stadium, investing $25 million from its Whitehall Funds and finding lending for the remainder of the $100 million project.
Now, nearly two months after Checketts' pledge, Deputy District Attorney Jerry Campbell, who serves as the DRC chairman, still has no details.
"To this date, the DRC has not received the financial documents," Campbell wrote to Checketts on Tuesday.
Two weeks earlier, New York investment banker David Kerschner, an RSL financial adviser, wrote to Willmore and referred to a "nondisclosure statement" to be signed with Economics Research Associates (ERA), a Los Angeles-based consulting firm hired by the county to do the financial review.
In a letter to ERA principal Jeffrey Cohen, Willmore wrote, "please ensure, though, that we are not included in the confidentiality agreement. As a public agency, any documents we receive may be classified as public documents."
And Willmore and Campbell insist county number crunchers must see those financial documents to determine the team's solvency.
"They're not just going to rely on a study [from ERA]," Willmore said. "That's not acceptable."
RSL threatened to sue earlier this year when the team's revenue projections were leaked to reporters.
Gavin Anderson, another deputy district attorney, sounded exasperated at the latest impasse. "It's only $60 million," he shrugged, facetiously.
So why the delay?
Insiders note the closing on RSL's purchase of the Ardell Brown RV lot - a key parcel for the stadium near 9400 S. State St. - has been pushed back to April. That delay may signal RSL first will fish for more money at the Legislature, which will wrap up the 2007 session weeks earlier.
Dolan is leading a charge to allow cities to keep restaurant-tax revenue, which the Utah Taxpayers Association views as a way to help RSL.
"This appears to be an attempt by Sandy City to find another means to subsidize Real Salt Lake's soccer stadium," Vice President Mike Jerman said on the association's Web site.
If that happens, it may endanger funding support from the County Council, which tentatively approved the plan in a 5-4 vote last summer pending a successful debt review. Come January, the council will gain a new member who is leery of steering taxes toward a soccer venture without financial due diligence.
"For a public-private partnership to work, both sides have to show their deck of cards," Councilman-elect Jeff Allen said. "This is problematic and worrisome. It needs to be raised as a big red flag."
Another barrier: the war of words - or awkward silence - between Willmore and RSL Chief Executive Officer Dean Howes.
On Monday, Willmore fired a letter to Howes saying "someone has been going around town making false (cowardly, wild, irresponsible, unethical) accusations about me and attributing them to you."
The "defamatory things," include charges that Willmore "breaks his word; lies; is out to kill soccer in Utah; and other accusations."
"Unless I've seriously overestimated you, I don't think you'd ever stoop to ad hominem tactics, especially behind someone's back," the letter continues.
Willmore has not heard a response from Howes, who reportedly is in New York and could not be reached Thursday night.
Despite the spat, Willmore says he still is willing to negotiate - provided the team shows him the money.
Either way, the latest delay means construction on a stadium, scheduled to take 18 months, may force RSL to find a new venue for the 2008 season.
djensen@sltrib.com



for some odd reason, I can post this, and not shed one tear.

[Viperlord]

Another interesting note... Speaking of RSL... My boss and I got talking about sports the other night. He asked me about scalping tickets for the Jazz this season, and how I was doing sales wise.(yes, guys I am a scalper, and I don't want to hear any gripes.) anyways...... I said that I had no problems unloading my tickets to people. He made the comment that people go crazy over Jazz tickets,and he had some season tickets last year. He then commented on having 4 RSL season tickets. He said he couldn't even give those things away for free. Kinda made me laugh.

[leebuddy]

:banana:

Great news, thanks for posting it! :)

Here's to them scrapping the idea altogether and moving the team to Reno!

:previous:
Yea that's a great idea. let's just give up everything that isn't build in downtown away to other cities. :koko:

We can start of by selling the utah grizzlies since the E-Center is in west valley.
( mind you that i never did like the idea of the E-center being built in west valley ) But better west valley then not having a hockey team at all. the same goes to RSL. I would of kick ass to have it built somewhere in downtown salt lake. But better Sandy then losing the team.

Having them breakground on that stadium back in Aug. and now it may not even get built at all is a real dick tease.

Oh well i still support the team and hope they can find a way to make it all work out somehow. :tup:

[Comrade Reynolds]

Yes, I would be content if RS bolted to another location. I don't like soccer and the only reason I was going to support RS was if they were located in Salt Lake City. They decided a sprawling suburban development would be better than helping the urban downtown core, so I say fuck 'em! :)

I hope they fail and I hope Sandy is left with a 20,000 seat vacant stadium. Losing an MLS team won't be the end of the world and something I wouldn't lose sleep over.

[leebuddy]

:previous:

:lmao:

[wrendog]

sure can't agree with the comrade here.. just cause it is in Sandy doesn't mean I won't support the local MAJOR league soccer team!!! i have been following this team their whole existence and would be pissed if they moved to Reno (or wherever)

come on people! let's get this stadium built!!!

[Comrade Reynolds]

Ah come on, soccer is fucking lame and the MLS is a joke league. If it were the MLB, NHL or NBA, I'd be inclined to support a suburban arena/stadium, but not for a stupid soccer league. Especially after how they essentially screwed Salt Lake City out of it.

[leebuddy]

sure can't agree with the comrade here.. just cause it is in Sandy doesn't mean I won't support the local MAJOR league soccer team!!! i have been following this team their whole existence and would be pissed if they moved to Reno (or wherever)

come on people! let's get this stadium built!!!


Thank you wrendog. It's nice to see that there's other people out there who support RSL. Soccer is becoming the fastest growing sport. I'm sure the Utah Jazz had a slow start back in the days when they first came to salt lake. And i'm sure there were people like comrade back then who didn't want the Jazz here, but wow look at them now. I can see RSL in 20 years from now with a stadium in sandy to be just as big as the jazz. RSL in sandy will be just as big as the Jazz in the Delta center or i should say the ESA.

LONG LIVE RSL!!!

[wrendog]

Ah come on, soccer is fucking lame and the MLS is a joke league. If it were the MLB, NHL or NBA, I'd be inclined to support a suburban arena/stadium, but not for a stupid soccer league. Especially after how they essentially screwed Salt Lake City out of it.

you forgot to add that this is just your opinion of soccer and not fact.. I love the MLS and love following RSL..

[Comrade Reynolds]

Of course it's just my opinion...whose else would it be?

[leebuddy]

RSL vows to show the money
CEO says it was always the intention; Corroon 'cautiously optimistic'
By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:12/02/2006 02:47:01 AM MST

Wonder if Real Salt Lake is solvent? Who is bankrolling the club? And how will the team pay for its suites, stars and other trimmings for a $100 million soccer palace in Sandy?
You're about to see for yourself.
Dean Howes, RSL's chief executive officer, said Friday that Salt Lake County will have a "complete set of financials" in hand by early next week.
That pledge comes a day after documents obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune revealed RSL had sought a confidentiality agreement, preventing the county - and taxpayers - from scrutinizing the Major League Soccer team's books even while it seeks $55 million in public funds to help build the stadium.
But on Friday, team spokesman Eric Gelfand released a statement vowing to "release our financial information to the [county's] Debt Review Committee and . . . to anyone without a confidentiality clause."
County officials, who have been waiting for two months to receive the promised financial data, intend to make most of the numbers available to soccer fans and foes alike.
"I'm sure the public would like at least the basics to see whether the project makes sense or not," county Mayor Peter Corroon said. "We'll do whatever we can to make it as accessible as possible."
Howes maintains the team always intended to release its business plan. The delay, he added, came from fear
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that "competitors" would see RSL's finances. When asked who those competitors were, he said "everybody."
"There's no malice or hidden agenda here at all," Howes said from New York. "It's never been about trying to keep these from the county. We've never tried to hide it from them."
Antsy for those records and worried about the confidentiality demand, county officials recently ratcheted up the pressure on RSL, suggesting the deal may implode without cooperation.
Howes says the financial package contains all of the team's funding. "It will literally go through, in detail, all our operational expenses and revenues. It will have our financial business models as well."
The team already has provided financial information to the county's consultant, Economics Research Associates (ERA). The numbers next will go to the Debt Review Committee, whose eight-member panel will make a recommendation on the stadium project to Corroon.
That process is a priority, the mayor says, before the county can release its $40 million in old and new hotel taxes to RSL. Sandy plans to come up with $15 million.
Corroon, who did not learn about the team's disclosure plans until told by The Tribune, said ERA had "some heartburn" with the confidentiality agreement. That angst was shared by county officials, who warned the team that the stadium process "will be stopped" unless they see the money.
Jenny Wilson, a councilwoman initially opposed to the deal before funding details changed, says the soccer saga has been a "painful process."
"The one thing that Real has to accept is that this is not a business deal," Wilson said. "This is a deal utilizing public dollars. With that comes significant strings. . . . It's the cost of doing business with a public entity."
Mark Crockett, a venture-capital consultant and the council's strongest stadium critic, agrees.
"It's an awkward thing for them to release financials. No business likes to to that," he said. "I'm empathetic, but it would be a lot easier for the public to decide if they see the numbers."
Some residents say the episode already has turned them sour.
Mike Giron, who lives in Taylorsville, fears taxpayers will be stuck with a "white elephant."
"What [RSL owner] Dave Checketts is trying to do is rush the building of the stadium, and, before it is built, he will sell the team and run with the money," he said. "If [Checketts] really wants that stadium built . . . why didn't he turn those documents over the next day?"
Other problems, particularly with land ownership, persist.
RSL's planned purchase of a 10-acre RV lot - considered a key stadium parcel on the corner of 9400 South and State Street - has been pushed back indefinitely, according to Angi Brown, office manager of Ardell Brown Auto Sales.
"We were supposed to close in the fall," she said. ''Right now, I don't know what to tell customers, and I'm losing business because of it. It's just really frustrating. We're waiting for [RSL] to, as you say, 'show us the money.' ''
Brown, whose father agreed to sell the property for an undisclosed sum but now is using the space to peddle antique cars, says a stadium opening in mid-2008 seems unrealistic.
Corroon has questions as well. He notes the agreement calls for the county simply to subsidize land and improvements, not the stadium.
"We have to own what we pay for, and we won't invest in anything but the land," Corroon said.
To date, the team has not outlined what property it is counting on the county to buy. Still, Howes says the deal is in "pretty good shape."
"We feel like we're still right on schedule for the July 4, 2008, opening," he said.
The CEO denies doing a character assassination on Corroon's chief administrator, Doug Willmore, which the latter said he heard from various government officials.
"I've never said anything disparaging about anybody," Howes said. "I believe Doug to be very much a professional."
So will the deal get done?
"I'm cautiously optimistic," Corroon said. "Let's put it that way."
djensen@sltrib.com

[delts145]

:previous:
Leebuddy,
Great Article!! In reading it over a couple of times, I didn't get the impression that there were any major hurdles that cannot be overcome with due process. Like you, I'm a rabid supporter of this stadium and Real SLC. But, I think they do need to line all their ducks up first before proceeding. Don't worry,it will be built. There are some very important officials intent on seeing this thing through, such as Govenor Huntsman. Utah will do what it has to in order to keep the national vultures from grabbing REAL away from Salt Lake.

This stadium will happen. MLS is important for the Wasatch on many levels,especially for the young people. No sport solicit's a larger base of participation amongst kids than soccer. One of the most important investments we can make in our future generation is giving them healthy activities to keep them busy, and junior leagues of soccer will only become even more energized with an MLS team in town.

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This is a jewel in any major metro in America.

[Ute_City]

Only reason I support RSL not moving is because it would blow any chance of us getting MLB or another real PRO franchise to come to SLC. That and another 250,000 or so in the metro would help too.

[leebuddy]

RSL misses the deadline, what are those guys up to?


RSL misses deadline to open up books
But soccer team promises financial data next week


The following sentence may not surprise you: Real Salt Lake won't be releasing its financial records this week - as promised.
But before you dial up your county representative to complain, wait. The team pledges to hand over those documents Monday - including to reporters. And they should include everything from New York investment dollars to the number of sponsorships and seats secured for a soccer-specific Sandy stadium.
"We have absolutely nothing to hide from officials charged with protecting the taxpayers' best interests," team CEO Dean Howes said in a letter hand-delivered Wednesday to Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon. "We are confident that your analysis of all the information we provide will cement your belief that the taxpayers of Salt Lake County are getting an appropriate deal."
Still, county leaders have been waiting for RSL's business plan for months. At issue is $40 million in public money - Sandy will kick in an extra $15 million - still awaiting final approval pending a financial review.
Last month, after learning RSL requested a confidentiality agreement from the county's financial consultant, Economics Research Associates, county officials restated their demand for full disclosure.
Some members of the County Council called the requirement "the cost of doing business" with a public entity.
"It's a great step and an
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important step toward gaining public acceptance of the project if it eventually happens," Corroon said Wednesday of RSL's latest promise. "We know the basics, but we'd like to know how much financing, what kind of financing, and who the players are."
Howes notes the team's books already have been opened to ERA and now will be given to the county's Debt Review Committee, Corroon and the news media, albeit later than first vowed.
"We have been reluctant to publicly release our detailed financial plans, as this will certainly place us at a significant competitive disadvantage with other local professional sports businesses," Howe wrote Wednesday.
"Those who naively think this won't put us at a disadvantage simply do not understand the business of ticket pricing, sponsorship sales, and all the other sensitive business negotiations that go into making a good sports property.
"To our knowledge, we are the first professional sports business in Utah to be asked to provide this kind of detailed financial information to the general public [even though all of our competitors enjoy the benefits of publicly funded facilities]."
In the interest of "transparency," Howes said the records will be turned over Monday morning, which he called "the earliest possible date when we could have all the appropriate people available to answer questions the media is certain to have."
Last spring however, the team threatened to sue when its initial business plan was leaked to reporters.
RSL has missed its self-imposed November deadline for turning dirt near 9400 S. State Street for the $100 million stadium. But Howes says the team still is on schedule for a July 4, 2008, grand opening.

If they want to have the grand opeing in July of 2008 then they better get the ball rolling. They can start of by hand over those documents Monday. Come on RSL let's get this project going. :yes:

[eastidaho]

Management might be struggling with the stadium, but atleast they are making the team more exciting with the acquisition of Freddy. :tup:

[delts145]

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Related Story, also posted at SL development thread.

Real releases financial data,

By Amelia Nielson-Stowell
Deseret Morning News
Detailed financial information from Real Salt Lake shows rosy projections for the Major League Soccer team, while Salt Lake County officials still have questions about the team's financial future.
Although the team has not made money since it began operating in 2004, documents provided Monday by the team predict that Real will start turning a net profit in 2010, two years after a proposed 136-acre soccer stadium and adjoining hotel and broadcast studio are built in Sandy.
Real released its financial information to Salt Lake County and local journalists. Part of that nearly 50-page document, called "Project Beehive," included the operating model for the team, the stadium and a future radio station.
"We make this release to demonstrate that we have absolutely nothing to hide from officials charged with protecting the taxpayers' best interests," Real chief executive officer Dean Howes wrote in a letter Monday to County Mayor Peter Corroon. "We firmly believe that this is one of the best public-private partnerships ever created for a stadium project, anywhere in America."
The team is hoping to receive $55 million from the county and Sandy for the $180 million project, but the county's $40 million hinges on an evaluation of the team finances. County officials have made it clear that they will not invest a dime of public money until they determine that it is a solid investment.
Part of the county's review process includes a report to the county's Debt Review Committee by independent consulting company Economic Research Associates (ERA). ERA has been given Real's financial information and the report is expected in mid-January.
Corroon, who saw the information briefly Monday, said numerous items caught his eye that he said will need further explanation by team officials.
"We're going to be looking at revenue projects, expenses, and we're also going to be looking at the investors, to make sure they have people that will be putting equity into the project," he said.
According to the financial documents provided by the team, any expected profits depend on a significant investment from partners, and on high attendance at games. The team expects investors to pitch in a total of $46.6 million next year and continue giving that amount until 2013.
Real, in its financial documents, assumes game attendance will increase by 21 percent in 2007, 29 percent in 2008 and continue to increase until it levels out in 2013.

[i-215]

It's funny, Doug Wright read an e-mail today of some guy, it went to the effect of....

"Why do you have to spend all this money to being some stupid foreigner's sport here. Why, I teach my kids all-american football. If they want to play soccer, which is stupid, they should go back to their own country."

I think we all had a good laugh about it. I figure, our MLS team will be a bigger franchise than some NFL teams in 20-30 years.

[Northernlad]

After reading today's news, yes this stadium is cursed. Thanks to our local government:(

[SLC Projects]

it sure is. :slob:

[blm3034L!fe]

It's funny, Doug Wright read an e-mail today of some guy, it went to the effect of....

"Why do you have to spend all this money to being some stupid foreigner's sport here. Why, I teach my kids all-american football. If they want to play soccer, which is stupid, they should go back to their own country."

I think we all had a good laugh about it. I figure, our MLS team will be a bigger franchise than some NFL teams in 20-30 years.


Not to intrude here, I could'nt help but notice your comment on Soccer and how it is not an American Sport. While I agree with you on that I will say this, I noticed you mentioned that you teach your children Football? If they are young and you have them playing sports? Soccer is actually one of the best "starter" sports for young children. My boys will play both Soccer and Pee-Wee Football. And if I notice some talent I will have them also Wrestle, and throw in some Gymnastics. Because in one way or another IMHO, if a child has athletic ability the more sports the child plays the more of a talent they become and gain ability(s) that one sport dimensional children will not...
Just something to consider, also if my boys become sports finatics then I hope they participate in multiple sports throughout jr High and HS possibly throughout College. Both my family and my wifes family are athletic and most of us have played in HS/College so I know the blood/DNA in their veins has athleticism running through them... :D Anyways back to your regular Soccer Stadium Conversation..............................

[delts145]

Not to intrude here, I could'nt help but notice your comment on Soccer and how it is not an American Sport. While I agree with you on that I will say this, I noticed you mentioned that you teach your children Football? If they are young and you have them playing sports? Soccer is actually one of the best "starter" sports for young children. My boys will play both Soccer and Pee-Wee Football. And if I notice some talent I will have them also Wrestle, and throw in some Gymnastics. Because in one way or another IMHO, if a child has athletic ability the more sports the child plays the more of a talent they become and gain ability(s) that one sport dimensional children will not...
Just something to consider, also if my boys become sports finatics then I hope they participate in multiple sports throughout jr High and HS possibly throughout College. Both my family and my wifes family are athletic and most of us have played in HS/College so I know the blood/DNA in their veins has athleticism running through them... :D Anyways back to your regular Soccer Stadium Conversation..............................

Blm3034, I know this comment won't generate the ratings spike of our usual banter but your analysis of Fooootball(Soccer) is dead on. What other sport has more widespread appeal and involvement amongst our youth than Soccer? With as many children as we have in this area, it is imperative that we promote the hell out of soccer!
Everybody be sure and check out the flick,(now on DVD) "Goal." Great Movie!!

[urbane]

Not to intrude here, I could'nt help but notice your comment on Soccer and how it is not an American Sport. While I agree with you on that I will say this, I noticed you mentioned that you teach your children Football? If they are young and you have them playing sports? Soccer is actually one of the best "starter" sports for young children. My boys will play both Soccer and Pee-Wee Football. And if I notice some talent I will have them also Wrestle, and throw in some Gymnastics. Because in one way or another IMHO, if a child has athletic ability the more sports the child plays the more of a talent they become and gain ability(s) that one sport dimensional children will not...
Just something to consider, also if my boys become sports finatics then I hope they participate in multiple sports throughout jr High and HS possibly throughout College. Both my family and my wifes family are athletic and most of us have played in HS/College so I know the blood/DNA in their veins has athleticism running through them... :D Anyways back to your regular Soccer Stadium Conversation..............................

The comments about soccer not being an American sport were made by an anonymous person's mail that was read on the Doug Wright radio show on KSL. These comments were not make by anyone on this board.

Soccer is great but the location sucks. It sucks enough that I will be happier if it never works out.

[SLC Projects]

Build the stadium!!!!

Build the stadium!!!!

Build the stadium!!!!

Build the stadium!!!!


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