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Waterlooson
Dec 4, 2006, 4:39 PM
I wanted to post this article because Kitchener has never been considered to be part of the "greater Toronto area" until now. Here it is:


Area job growth keeps on coming

Mon, December 4, 2006

Despite a 'respectable' showing, the London region should be doing better, an analyst says.

By NORMAN DE BONO, FREE PRESS BUSINESS REPORTER



The London area continues to rack up job gains, pushing it near the top of the list of southern Ontario cities.

London ranks second highest by percentage in southern Ontario over the last five years in employment growth, compared to similar-sized areas, and much of that growth has been in full-time employment, a recent report from Service Canada shows.

"It is fabulous, we seem to be doing well," said Jeny Wallace, director of workforce development for the London Economic Development Corp.

"We are sitting in a good position here with job growth and attraction and retention increasing."

Kitchener led the pack with 13 per cent job growth (28,700 jobs) over the five years. London's growth was 6.3 per cent (14,400 jobs), while Hamilton was close behind at 6.29 per cent (21,600 jobs).

Windsor followed with 2.5 per cent growth (3,900 jobs) and St. Catharines-Niagara posted a 0.8 per cent increase (1,500 jobs), according to Statistics Canada figures gathered by Service Canada.

Although London's numbers are "respectable," Derek Burleton, an economist with TD Bank in Toronto who covers Southwestern Ontario, believes the city and region should be performing better.

"The city could be growing faster. London's economy has faced some serious challenges on the manufacturing front," he said.

London's economy is almost a mirror of the Ontario average, so with provincial employment growth totalling about 10 per cent over the five years, London's job growth should be closer to that figure, Burleton said.

"I consider anything under two per cent per year employment growth (to be) on the weak side," he said. "London could be doing better."

Though neck-and-neck in job growth with Hamilton, London posted stronger full-time employment numbers with a 9.5 per cent increase compared to 8.9 per cent for the steel city.

"The full-time employment growth is very positive for London," said Ray Gormley, Service Canada economist in Kitchener, who compiled the job growth figures.

London's full-time employment growth is on par with the Ontario average of 9.9 per cent. Job growth also is keeping pace with population growth of 6.1 per cent in the London area over the same five-year period.

"Those are good measures of economic well-being in an area over time," Gormley said.

He attributed Kitchener's strong numbers to it having become part of the Greater Toronto Area.

The survey is residence-based, meaning it measures where people live. A person living in Kitchener but working in the GTA is recorded in the survey as a Kitchener worker.

"One of the things that has benefited Kitchener is its closeness to Toronto," Gormley said.

In the important 25 to 44 age group, the London area attracted and kept more than 4,000 workers between 2000 and 2005, second lowest among similar-sized Ontario cities, according to migration figures from Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.

From 2000 to 2005, London attracted and retained 4,071 people in that age range. Hamilton led the pack with 11,798, Kitchener followed at 11,163, Windsor was next with 6,881 and St. Catharines finished last at 3,121.

But London's attractiveness appeared to grow in recent years. In 2004, London stood third, narrowing the gap between the two front-runners.

Adding more than 4,000 jobs in that demographic over the last five years is impressive, considering that from 1994 to 1999, London had a negative ranking in that category, losing 94 residents, Wallace said.

"We seem to be gaining strength."

The 25 to 44 age group is deemed important because it represents migrants who live and work in a city, often remaining to expand the economy.

The figures cover the London Census Metropolitan Area, which includes much of the rural area around the city.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/12/04/2620932-sun.html

caltrane74
Dec 4, 2006, 4:53 PM
If anything. Hamilton before Kitchener.

People in Hamilton debate this one in their heads everyday. (there is a lot more back and forth here than in the later.)

I doubt people in kitchener even give it an afterthought.

Waterlooson
Dec 4, 2006, 4:55 PM
If anything. Hamilton before Kitchener.

Yeah, I would think so too, but it depends on the commuter traffic. There is a lot of back and forth between TO and Kit.... and that has been so for a long time.... a lot of people in Kitchener/Cambridge/Waterloo would like to have a GO train to TO.

Perspective123
Dec 4, 2006, 9:32 PM
Don't alot of people in Kitchener/Waterloo area commute to Mississauga and Brampton as well? It would be interesting to find out where in the GTA all these people work and make the appropriate transit connections.

WZ1
Dec 4, 2006, 9:52 PM
I know a lot of people who live in Kitchener work in Mississauga or Milton, somtimes even Brampton and Vaughn. I dont know too many people who live in K-W-C that work in downtown Toronto tho. For example i have a frined who lives with 6 roomates in a nice house in Waterloo and all 6 of them commute in to Mississauga Square one area everyday.

caltrane74
Dec 4, 2006, 9:59 PM
Didn't miketoronto tell you, there are no jobs in downtown Toronto? They have all been transferred to Square One in Mississauga. Thats why your friends commute there.

jeicow
Dec 4, 2006, 11:07 PM
Hazel's next targets: Chicago, NYC and then the WORLD!!

DC83
Dec 5, 2006, 1:27 AM
Hazel's next targets: Chicago, NYC and then the WORLD!!

HAHAHA She's like Mom from Futurama - this old, sweet woman on the outside... evil dictator in disguise!!

DON'T TRUST ANYONE OVER 85!!! :p

CMD UW
Dec 5, 2006, 6:11 AM
Yeah, I would think so too, but it depends on the commuter traffic. There is a lot of back and forth between TO and Kit.... and that has been so for a long time.... a lot of people in Kitchener/Cambridge/Waterloo would like to have a GO train to TO.
This is something that I think should be implemented ASAP. The number of commuters from KW to the GTA is only going to increase.

SSLL
Dec 9, 2006, 2:17 AM
Sorry, but one article in the LFP doesn't mean it's in the GTA. There's quite a swath of nothing between KW and GTA now.

Waterlooson
Dec 9, 2006, 3:55 AM
Sorry, but one article in the LFP doesn't mean it's in the GTA. There's quite a swath of nothing between KW and GTA now.

That's mainly if you drive along the 401, but if you drive along Victoria St. in Kitchener to Guelph and then from Guelph to Acton... then on to Georgetown and Brampton.... the swath gets a whole lot smaller.

waterloowarrior
Dec 9, 2006, 4:22 AM
for those interesting in go transit/rail service..

go bus study (http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/0/F6153A5178C169248525718F00535C15/$file/P-06-074.pdf?openelement)
(they also mention a go train study that go transit is doing.. no details yet)

North mainline plan (http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/0/F6153A5178C169248525718F00535C15/$file/P-06-072.pdf?openelement)
The North Mainline is the CN rail line that runs from London through Kitchener and onwards to Toronto’s Union Station. The line is characterized by old track that significantly reduces allowable train speeds, reduces ride comfort, and lacks modern traffic control technology, but possesses the
opportunity to support both improved intercity rail passenger service and improved commuter rail services. This report has been prepared at the request of the North Mainline Municipal Alliance.
business case for the line (http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/0/F6153A5178C169248525718F00535C15/$file/APDXA-P-06-072.pdf?openelement)
(this has tons of interesting details, including costs and stages)

Doady
Dec 9, 2006, 5:11 AM
Sorry, but one article in the LFP doesn't mean it's in the GTA. There's quite a swath of nothing between KW and GTA now.


There isn't anything between Georgetown and Brampton either, or Milton and Mississauga, but that doesn't mean that Georgetown and Milton are not part of greater Toronto in some way.

BlackRedGold
Dec 10, 2006, 3:59 AM
There isn't anything between Georgetown and Brampton either, or Milton and Mississauga, but that doesn't mean that Georgetown and Milton are not part of greater Toronto in some way.

But Georgetown and Milton would be nothing without proximity to Toronto and it's suburbs. Kitchener and Waterloo are cities that developed independently of the GTA.

Waterlooson
Dec 10, 2006, 3:12 PM
But Georgetown and Milton would be nothing without proximity to Toronto and it's suburbs. Kitchener and Waterloo are cities that developed independently of the GTA.

The cities in the Region of Waterloo are politically independent of the GTA, but economically they are dependent on the GTA to a significant extent. For example, the residents of the Region of Waterloo are almost totally dependent on Pearson International Airport when they want to fly any where. Munroe International and the Region of Waterloo airport are also used, but to a much smaller extent than Pearson. Much of the logistics/distribution for Waterloo Region is based in the GTA. There are quite a few people commuting from K-W to Toronto, and lots of people from Toronto commute to K-W. Toronto residents attend Waterloo's two universities in large numbers. Manulife Financial is one of the largest employers in Waterloo (head office for its business in Canada), but the head office for the entire organization (business worldwide) is in Toronto. The economic links between the GTA and K-W are very strong.

MolsonExport
Dec 12, 2006, 5:00 PM
Didn't miketoronto tell you, there are no jobs in downtown Toronto? They have all been transferred to Square One in Mississauga. Thats why your friends commute there.


:haha:

Doady
Dec 12, 2006, 10:31 PM
But Georgetown and Milton would be nothing without proximity to Toronto and it's suburbs. Kitchener and Waterloo are cities that developed independently of the GTA.

That's arguable. My point is, just because there is space between two cities doesn't mean they aren't strongly connected in some way.