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scribeman
12-09-2006, 02:45 AM
US Housing Crash Continues
San Francisco Bay Area Hit Hard
Fri Dec 8, 2006
Why?

1. Prices disconnected from fundamentals. House prices are far beyond any historically known relationship to rents or salaries. Rents are less than half of mortgage payments. Salaries cannot cover mortgages except in the very short term, by using adjustable interest-only loans.

2. Interest rates going back up. When rates go from 5% to 7%, that's a 40% increase in the amount of interest a buyer has to pay. House prices must drop proportionately to compensate.

For example, if interest rates are 5%, then $1000 per month ($12,000 per year) pays an interest-only loan of $240,000. If interest rates rise to 7%, then that same $1000 per month pays for a loan of only $171,428.

82% of recent Bay Area loans are adjustable, not fixed. This means a big hit to the finances of many owners every time interest rates go up, and this will only get worse as more adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) get adjusted upward. Nationally, about $3,000,000,000,000 (that's trillion) of ARMs will adjust their rates to much higher levels this year and next.

Even if the Fed does not raise rates any more, all those adjustable mortgages will go up anyway, because they will adjust upward from the low initial rate to the current rate.

3. A flood of risky adjustable rate "home equity loans" draining equity from existing mortgages. Just like the bad primary ARM loans, these loans do not have fixed interest rates. When the interest rate adjusts upward, it can double monthly payments, forcing owners to sell.

4. Salary declines. From http://www.mccallstaffing.com/need/needsal.html we hear that Bay Area "salaries have in fact returned to 1997 and 1998 levels." Household incomes are not even half of what they need to be to sustain current house prices.

5. Population loss. San Francisco continues to lose population at the fastest rate of any city in the US. Fewer people in the Bay Area means less demand for housing. It recently cost $3623 to rent a UHaul from San Jose to the midwest, but only $1800 to move the other way. This is because far more people are moving out of the Bay Area than are moving in.

6. Extreme use of leverage. Leverage means using debt to amplify gain. Most people forget that losses get amplified as well. If a buyer puts 10% down and the house goes down 10%, he has lost 100% of his money on paper. If he has to sell due to job loss or an interest rate hike, he's bankrupt in the real world.

It's worse than that. House prices do not even have to fall to cause big losses. The cost of selling a house is 6%. On a $600,000 house, that's $36,000 lost even if prices just stay flat. So a 4% decline in housing prices bankrupts all those with 10% equity or less.

7. Shortage of first-time buyers. According to the California Association of Realtors, the percentage of Bay Area buyers who could afford a median-price house in the region plunged from 20 percent in July 2003 to 14 percent in July 2004. Strangely, the CAR then reported that affordability fell another 4 percent in 2005, yet claims affordability is still at 14%.

8. Surplus of speculators. Nationally, 25% of houses bought in 2005 were pure speculation, not houses to live in. It is now possible to buy a house with 103% financing. The extra 3% is to cover closing costs, so the speculator needs no money down. Even the National Association of House Builders admits that "Investor-driven price appreciation looms over some housing markets."

9. Trouble at the builders. They are being forced to drop prices even faster than owners. They overbuilt and have huge excess inventory that they cannot sell at current prices.

10. Trouble at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They are being forced to reduce their holdings of risky loans. This means they are not going to keep buying very low quality loans from banks, and the total money available for buying houses is falling.

11. The best summary explanation, from Business Week: "Today's housing prices are predicated on an impossible combination: the strong growth in income and asset values of a strong economy, plus the ultra-low rates of a weak economy. Either the economy's long-term prospects will get worse or rates will rise. In either scenario, housing will weaken."

Who disagrees
that house prices will continue to fall? Real estate related businesses disagree, because they don't make money if buyers do not buy. These businesses have a large financial interest in misleading the public about the foolishness of buying a house now.

1. Buyers' agents get nothing if there is no sale, so they want their clients to buy no matter how bad the deal is, the exact opposite of the buyer's best interest. Agents take $100 billion each year in commissions from buyers. Agents claim the seller pays the commission, but always fail to mention that the seller gets that money from the buyer.

2. Mortgage brokers take a percentage of the loan, so they want buyers to take out the biggest loan possible.

3. Banks get origination fees but sell most mortgages, so they do not care about the potential bankruptcy of borrowers, and will lend far beyond what buyers can afford. Banks sell most loans to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. The conversion of low-quality housing debt into "high" quality Fannie Mae debt with the implicit backing of the federal government is the main support for the housing bubble. That is ending as Fannie Mae shrinks.

It remains true, however, that banks are not required to get any appraisal at all for loans they sell to Fannie Mae or any government-guaranteed loans. This encourages banks to overstate values and sell bigger loans to Fannie, pushing the risk onto taxpayers.

Even for the "jumbo" loans that banks cannot sell to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they have a motive to lend beyond what buyers can afford. Banks designate interest as "income" whether they receive it or not. As long as borrowers do not actually default, additional interest owed is counted as bank income, and banks can claim higher "earnings". That is going to end when those borrowers cannot even make the principal payments.

4. Appraisers are hired by mortgage brokers and banks, so they are going to give the appraisals that brokers and banks want to see, not the truth.

5. Newspapers earn money from advertising placed by Realtors®, so papers are pressured to publish the Realtors'® unrealistic forecasts.

Worse, Realtors® have a near-monopoly on sale price information, and newspaper reporters never ask Realtors® hard questions like "how do we know you're not lying about those prices?" The result is an endless stream of stories which quote David Lereah of the NAR saying it's a good time to buy, as if there were some news in hearing salesmen say that you should give them your money. To be optimistic about this market takes a real estate "professional". Everyone else speaks the truth too clearly.

6. Owners themselves do not want to believe they are going to lose huge amounts of money.

What are their arguments?

1. "There are great tax advantages to owning."
FALSE. It is much cheaper to rent a house in the San Francisco Bay Area than it is to own that same house, even with the deductibility of mortgage interest figured in. It is possible to rent a good house for $1800/month. That same house would cost about $700,000. Assume 6% interest, and we can see that a buyer loses at least $4,936 per month by buying. Renting is a loss of course, but buying is a much bigger loss.

Renting:
Rent: $1,800
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Monthly Loss: $1,800

Buying:
Property Tax: $486 ($729 per month at 1.25% before deduction, $486 lost after deduction.)
Interest: $2,333 ($3500 per month at 6% before deduction, $2333 lost after deduction.)
Other Costs: $450 (Insurance, maintenance, long commute, etc.)
Principal loss: $1,667 (Modest 3% yearly loss on $700,000. Reality will be much worse.)
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Monthly Loss: $4,936

This is a very conservative estimate of the loss from owning per month. If you include a realistic decline in house prices, as in this rent-vs-own calculator, you'll see that owning right now is a very poor choice. Here's a more optimistic calculator which ignores price changes entirely. House value losses will stop eventually, but it could take 5 or 10 years to bottom out.

Remember that buyers do not deduct interest from income tax; they deduct interest from taxable income. Interest is paid in real pre-tax dollars that buyers suffered to earn. That money is really entirely gone, even if the buyer didn't pay income tax on those dollars before spending them on mortgage interest.

Buyers do not get interest back at tax time. If a buyer gets an income tax refund, that's just because he overpaid his taxes, giving the government an interest-free loan. The rest of us are grateful.

If you don't own a house but want to live in one, your choice is to rent a house or rent money to buy a house. To rent money is to take out a loan. A mortgage is a money-rental agreement. House renters take no risk at all, but money-renting owners take on the huge risk of falling house prices, as well as all the costs of repairs, insurance, property taxes, etc. It is now much cheaper to rent the house than to rent the money.

There are large tax disadvanges to buying in California. Because of Proposition 13, it is common for new buyers to pay ten times the property tax that their neighbors pay. Tax rates are set at the time of purchase, which means those who bought long ago pay nearly nothing, and the new buyers pay all property tax for everyone else. Upgrading houses makes you a newcomer all over again.

Then there's earthquake insurance. It's really expensive, so most people just skip it and risk everything on the chance that no earthquake will happen.

2. "A rental house provides good income."
FALSE. Rental houses provide very poor income. in the Bay Area and certainly cannot cover mortgage payments. A $1,000,000 house can be rented out for at most $25,000 per year after expenses. The return is therefore 2.5% with no liquidity and a huge risk of loss.

If the owner were to sell that rental house for a million dollars, he could get better than 5% with no risk, no work, and no state income tax by buying a US Treasury Bond. And the money would be liquid and secure.

3. "OK, owning is a loss in monthly cash flow, but appreciation will make up for it."
FALSE. Appreciation is negative. Prices are going down, which just adds insult to the monthly injury of crushing mortgage payments.

4. "House prices never fall."
FALSE. San Francisco house prices dropped 11 percent between 1990 and 1994. Buyers in SF in 1990 did not break even in dollar amounts until about 1998. So those buyers effectively loaned their money to the sellers for 8 years at no interest, losing all the while to inflation. With inflation, 1990 buyers truly broke even only about the year 2000, ten years after buying.

Los Angeles' average house plummeted 21 percent from 1991 to 1995, and of course there have been many similar crashes all around the US. The worst may have been after the oil bust in the 1980's, when Colorado condos lost 90% of the value they had at their peak.

5. "House prices don't fall to zero like stock prices, so it's safer to invest in real estate."
FALSE. It's true that house prices do not fall to zero, but your equity in a house can easily fall to zero, and then way past zero into the red. Even a fall of only 10% completely wipes out everyone who has only 10% equity in their house. This means that house price crashes are actually worse than stock crashes. Most people have most of their money in their house, and that money is highly leveraged.

6. "We know it will be a soft landing, since it says so in the papers."
FALSE. Prices could fall off a cliff. No one knows exactly what will happen, but the risk of a sudden crash in prices is severe. As Yale professor Robert Shiller has pointed out, this housing bubble is the biggest bubble in history, ever. Predictions of a "soft landing" are just more manipulation of buyer emotions, to get them to buy even while prices are falling.

Most newspaper articles on housing are not news at all. They are advertisements that are disguised to look like news. They quote heavily from people like Realtors®, whose income depends on separating you from your money. Their purpose is not to inform, but rather to get you to buy.

7. "The bubble prices were driven by supply and demand."
FALSE. Prices were driven by low interest rates and risky loans. Supply is up, and population is down, so prices are violating the most basic assumptions about supply and demand.

The www.census.gov site has data for Santa Clara County for the years 2000-2003 which shows that the number of housing units went up at the same time that the population decreased:

year units people
2000 580868 / 1686474 = 0.344 housing units per person
2001 587013 / 1692299 = 0.346
2002 592494 / 1677426 = 0.353
2003 596526 / 1678421 = 0.355

So housing supply in Santa Clara County increased 3% per person during those years. There is an oversupply compared to a few years ago, when prices were lower.

At a national level, there is a similar story in the years 2000 to 2005:

2000 115.9M / 281M = 0.412 housing units per person
2005 124.6M / 295M = 0.422

At a national level, there is 2.4% more housing per person now than in 2000. So national prices should have fallen as well.

The truth is that prices can rise or fall without any change in supply or demand. The bubble was a mania of cheap and easy credit. Now the mania is over.

8. "They aren't making any more land."
TRUE, but sales volume has fallen 40% in the last year alone. It seems they aren't making any more buyers, either.

9. "As a renter, you have no opportunity to build equity."
FALSE. Equity is just money. Renters are actually in a better position to build equity through investing in anything but housing.
* Owers are losing every month by paying much more for interest than they would pay for rent. The tax deduction does not come close to making owing competitive with renting.
* Owers are losing principal in a leveraged way as prices decline. A 14% decline completely wipes out all the equity of "owners" who actually own only 20% of their house. Remember that the agents will take 6%.
* Owers must pay taxes simply to own a house. That is not true of stocks, bonds, or any other asset that can build equity. Only houses are such a guaranteed drain on cash.
* Owers must insure a house, but not most other investments.
* Owers must pay to repair a house, but not a stock or a bond.

10. "If you rent you are a buyer. You are just buying it for someone else."
FALSE. It may be true that rent covers mortgage payments in some places like South Dakota, but not in any of the markets that have shot up in the last few years. Rents are much less than mortgages in most places now. No landlord buys with the intention to rent out in the Bay Area because that's not profitable. The owner is generously subsidizing the renter, a wonderful thing for renters during this crash.

11. "If you don't own, you'll live in a dump in a bad neighborhood."
FALSE. For the any given monthly payment, you can rent a much better house than you can buy. Renters live better, not worse. There are downsides to renting, but since there are thousands of vacant rentals, you can take your pick and be quite happy renting during the crash.

You may worry about being forced to move, but the law says the landlord has to offer you a one year lease at a minimum, and they'll probably be delighted to offer you a two year lease and give you a discount for that. Other people want the mobility that renting affords. Renters can usually get out of a lease and move anywhere they want within one month, with no real estate commission.

It is much easier and cheaper to rent a house in a good school district in the Bay Area than to buy a house in the same place.

A fun trick to rent a good house cheap: go to an open house, take the real estate agent aside, and ask if the owner is interested in renting the place out. Often, desperate sellers will be happy to get a little rental cash coming in and give you a great deal for a year or two.

The biggest upside is hardly ever mentioned: renters can choose a short commute by living very close to work or to the train line. An extra two hours every day of free time not wasted commuting is the best bonus you can ever get.

12. "Owners can change their houses to suit their tastes."
FALSE. Even single family detached housing is often restricted by CC&Rs and House Owner's Associations (HOAs). Imagine having to get the approval of some picky neighbor on the "Architectural Review Board" every time you want to change the color of your trim. Yet that's how most houses are sold these days.

In California, the HOA can and will foreclose on your house without a judicial hearing. They can fine you $100/day for leaving your garage door open, and then take your house away if you refuse to pay. There's a good HOA blog here.

13. "People buy a house for the long term, so things can't crash quickly."
FALSE. People are now buying houses for the very short term. This is how they justify interest-only adjustable mortgages to themselves. The thinking is, "I will own this just long enough to make a profit, maybe a year or two, so there's no need to get a long term loan at a higher interest rate." The distinction between the long-term owner and the short-term flipper has gone away.

14. "If and when the market goes south, you can walk away."
FALSE. If you have a single loan with just the house as collateral, it may be a "non-recourse" loan, meaning you could indeed walk and not lose anything other than your house and any equity in it (along with your credit record). But if you refinance or take a "home equity loan", the new loan is probably a recourse loan, and the bank can get very aggressive, not to mention what the IRS can do. A reader who lived through the 1989 housing crash in LA pointed out the following nasty situation that can happen:
* Let's say you buy a house for $600,000, with a $500,000 mortgage.
* Then the house drops in value to $400,000, you lose your job, or otherwise must move.
* If you can't make your payments, the bank forecloses on you and nets $350,000 on the sale of your house.
* The bank's $150,000 loss on the mortgage is "forgiveness of debt" in the eyes of the IRS, and effectively becomes $150,000 of reportable income you must pay tax on.

It is true that buyers who put zero down and have nothing invested in the house are much more likely to walk away. The large number of new uninvested buyers increases the risk of a horrifying crash in prices rather than a "soft landing".

15. "The house down the street sold for 25% over asking, and that proves the market is still hot."
FALSE. Realtors® try to create the false impression of a hot market by deliberately "underpricing" a house. Say a seller's agent knows that house will probably go for $500,000. He places ads asking $400,000 instead. (Bait-and-switch is illegal when selling toasters, but apparently not when selling houses.) The goal is to first of all prevent buyers from knowing what a realistic price is, and secondly to get buyers to blindly bid against each other. There are four players in this game and three of them are against the buyer: the seller, the seller's agent, and the buyer's agent. Yes, the buyer's own agent works against the buyer, because there is no commission if there is no sale. There's a saying in Las Vegas: "There's a patsy in every game, and if you don't know who the patsy is, you're it."

If you want to prove your agent is not on your side, ask to see houses "for sale by owner" or houses listed by discount brokers. If the agent cannot make a commission, you will not be told about the house.

There is a way around the conflict of interest inherent in being a buyer's agent: let the seller's agent be your agent too, just for that one house he's trying to sell. Then the seller's agent has a big motive to lower the price, because he will get double the comission if you buy it rather than some buyer with his own agent.

Update: the underpricing game is now over. You are free to bid far lower than the asking price. You might be surprised to find out how desperate the sellers are.

16. "I was lucky that my Realtor® told me to increase my bid by $100,000. Otherwise I would have lost, because my Realtor® knew about a secret bid $90,000 above mine."
FALSE. Your agent gets paid nothing if you don't buy the house, and he gets more if you waste more money by bidding too high. Those are two big motives to invent false bids.

17. "The MLS proves things are great."
FALSE. All sorts of funny things happen in the MLS (Multiple Listing Service, a private database controlled by real estate agents). For example, if a house just doesn't sell, Realtors® can remove its record in the MLS so that you cannot see that it failed to sell. Then the house comes back on the market at a lower price, and unsuspecting buyers think it's on the market for the first time. Their Realtor® can "prove" it's a new listing by showing the MLS record to the buyer: "See, here's the listing date, just came on the market. Better hurry and buy it, this one is hot."

There is nobody checking that the MLS shows true transaction prices. The MLS prices are often just wrong.

Furthermore, the MLS will not list any house for sale by owner or for sale through a discount broker, except perhaps those listed by Help U Sell. Those cheaper prices are just not in the system, because if you save money, they lose money.

18. "The Bay Area is a special place that will always be expensive."
TRUE, but it was just as special when it was half as expensive ten years ago, so being special does not account for the run up in prices.

Many people are confused about the difference between high prices and increasing prices. Prices are high, but they are not increasing. They are falling. Falling prices make housing a bad investment.

19. "Rich Chinese (or Europeans, or Arabs) are driving up housing prices."
FALSE. The percentage of US houses bought by rich foreigners is tiny. Furthermore, American housing is clearly a bad investment at this point. Foreigners can just wait and watch both the dollar and American housing continue to fall, and then buy for much less in a few years. Rich foreign investors are not dumb enough to buy into a badly overpriced market, but your broker is hoping that you are.

20. "There's always someone predicting a Bay Area real estate crash."
TRUE, yet irrelevant. There are very real crashes every decade or so. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

21. "But housing was high when interest rates were 21%, so higher interest rates don't matter."
FALSE. Inflation was much higher then, so fixed debt was easier to pay off with increasing salaries. Now we have adjustible mortgages and stagnant salaries.

House price increases exactly mirror the increase in mortgage debt. According to the Washington Times: "Consumers have doubled their mortgage debt from $3.5 trillion to $7 trillion since 1996, borrowing and spending profusely on the assumption that house prices will keep rising." So the increase in house prices is not backed by assets. It's backed by debt. The debt in turn is backed by the houses. It's just smoke and mirrors.

22. "Local incomes justify the high prices."
FALSE. Most bankers use a multiple of 3 as a "safe" price to income ratio. We are well beyond the danger zone, into the twilight zone. The price to income ratio is currently around 10. Another rule of thumb is that a fair house price is less than 200 times the monthly rent. If a house rents for $2000 per month, then a fair price must be less than $400,000.

23. "Look, housing continued to rise after the dot-com crash, so it will always rise."
FALSE, consider the turkey in the farmer's barnyard. He thinks the farmer will always come feed him and not ask for anything. Then Thanksgiving comes. Whack. Past performance is no indication of future results.

24. "Rent can go up, but a 30-year fixed mortgage payment cannot."
TRUE, but irrelevant. House owners lose even with a fixed mortgage, because the price of a house falls as interest rates go up. Most people want to sell within 7 years of moving in, and many have to sell because of job loss, illness, or divorce. No one can afford what the owner paid for it, so the owner has to take a large loss. Renting it out will not come close to covering the mortgage. Bay Area rents have fallen 23% in the last 4 years.

25. "You have to live somewhere."
TRUE, but that doesn't mean you should waste your life savings on a bad investment. You can live in the same kind of house by renting during the crash. A renter could save hundreds of thousands of dollars, not only by paying less every month, but by avoiding the devastating loss of his downpayment. In fact, it's currently cheaper to live in a nice hotel in most parts of the US than it is to make mortgage payments in the Bay Area.

26. "Newspaper articles prove prices are not falling."
FALSE. The numbers in the papers are not complete and have murky origins. Those prices are "estimated" from the county transfer tax and making that tax public record is optional. A buyer who does not want you to see how little he paid has only to ask to put the transfer tax on the back of the deed and it will not show up on computer searches of the deed, which show only the front. Others voluntarily pay more tax than they have to, in order to inflate the apparent price to fool the next buyer. At a tax rate of about $1 per thousand of sale price, as in San Mateo county, you have to pay only $100 extra tax to make your purchase price look $100,000 higher.

Even though you can in theory go to your county building and get sale price information, in reality the county will give it to you in a painfully slow and inconvenient way. For example, in Redwood City's county building there are PC's where you can look at data for any particular house, but you cannot print, you cannot save to a floppy disk, you cannot email data out. All you can do is write things down manually, one at a time. And that's how real estate interests like it. Your elected representatives are serving them, not you.

Supposedly impartial sources like Dataquick are paid for entirely by people with a large financial interest in "proving" that prices are not falling, like Realtors. This makes it unwise to take their numbers at face value.

For the obviously biased sources like the National Association of Realtors, you can be sure that their sales price numbers do not include the effective price reductions from "incentives" like upgrades, vacations, cars, assumed mortgages and backroom cash rebates to buyers.

27. "My appraisal proves what my house is worth."
FALSE. "An appraisal in its typical residential real estate form is little more than a comparative analysis conducted by someone with no skin in the game offering confirmation that other lemmings are paying too much for their houses as well." -from an article on morningstar.com

Amazingly, government house price measures do not include houses with mortgages greater than $417,000. This excludes well over half of all houses in California. So the government can report a slight price rise, but fail to mention that prices actually fell for the other 60% of houses in California.

28. "It's not a house, it's a home."
FALSE. It's a house. Wherever one lives is home, be it apartment, condo, or house. Calling a house a "home" is a manipulation of your emotions for profit.

As a Realtor® said to me, "a house is a wooden box that sits out in the rain and slowly rots. No one would buy in this market if they really thought about how much pain it's going to cause them in the long run. That's why we have to sell them a home, not a house."

Also, Realtor® is a not a real word. It's a registered commercial term. Note the "®" symbol.

29. "If you don't buy now, you'll never get another chance."
FALSE. This argument was also popular in 1989 in Los Angeles, just before a huge crash. It's silly. If no one like you ever gets another chance to buy a house, then you will not be able to sell your house in a few years either, because there will be no more buyers like you ever again.

Here is a great quote from June Fletcher, a Wall Street Journal reporter, that says it all: "The real issue isn't whether you will be stuck being a renter all your life, she says. Its whether you'll get so scared about being shut out that you'll buy at the market's peak and be stuck in a property you can't afford or sell."

30. "Property in the Bay Area is a luxury good, and so will be less affected by economic downturns."
FALSE. 82% of last year's Bay Area mortgages were ARMs, and ARM loans are not taken out by the rich. People on the border of bankruptcy take out ARMs because they can't afford fixed rate loans. The rich don't have loans at all.

Many of these ARM loans have exceptionally deadly repayment terms, and so are known as "neutron mortgages". Like the neutron bomb, they destroy people, but leave buildings standing. They are also known as "suicide loans".

31. "Housing will be permanently higher since downpayments are now obsolete."
FALSE. The current wave of defaults is making downpayments suddenly seem like a good idea again. Lending standards are already improving.

32. "House ownership is at a record high, proving things are affordable."
FALSE. The percentage of their house that most Americans actually own is at a record low, not a high. We do have a record number of people who have title to a house because they have dangerous levels of mortgage debt, but that is no cause to celebrate.

33. "California houses are worth whatever fools will pay for them."
FALSE. At interest rates of 6%, houses are worth at most 17 times what you can rent them out for per year. (1 / 0.06 = 16.7) You can get 6% with no work and very little risk in the bond market, so why accept less than 6% return (called rent) on your capital in the very risky housing market? Since typical house rent is about $24,000 per year in the Bay Area, the typical house is worth about $408,000, not $700,000.

Another rule of thumb is that houses are worth about three times the median household salary of an area. Let's say four times the median salary because this is a desirable area. Since the median household income is under $70,000, the value of a typical house is under $280,000. Again, not even close to $700,000.

34. "The limited land in the Bay Area means prices will always go up."
FALSE. Japan has a much more severe land shortage, but that hasn't stopped prices from falling for 14 years straight. Prices in Japan are now at the same level they were 23 years ago. If we really had a housing shortage, there would not be so many vacant rentals.

35. "It would take another 911 terrorist attack or a major earthquake that wipes out this area in order for the price to fall by 50%."
FALSE. Even with a 50% decline in prices to $350,000 or so, the median price in the Bay Area will still be roughly double the median price in most of America, and the median Bay Area household income of about $70,000 will still not be sufficient to buy a house. So a 50% decline is well justified by the fundamentals.

36. "Housing is a hedge against inflation, so you should buy now anyway."
FALSE. Interest rates go up with inflation, and higher interest will be the last straw for ARM mortgages in the Bay Area. Their defaults and foreclosures will drive down the cost of housing for everyone else around here. Remember that 82% of recent Bay Area mortgages were adjustable. There is little chance that salaries of ARM owners can keep up with inflation because of two billion people in India and China who would be happy to do their jobs for much less money.

37. "Houses always increase in value in the long run."
FALSE. House values are actually constant. Adjusted for inflation, prices in Holland, for example, rose less than one quarter of one percent annually in the 350 years since their tulip bubble. Warren Buffett and Charles Schwab have both pointed out that houses don't increase in intrinsic value. Unless there's a bubble, house prices simply reflect current salaries and interest rates. Consider a 100 year old house. Its value in sheltering you is exactly the same as it was 100 years ago. It did not increase in value at all. It did not spontaneously get bigger, or renovate itself. Quite the opposite - the house drained cash from its owners for 100 years of maintenance and taxes. Its price went up about as much as salaries went up.

My grandmother always used to complain about the cost of milk. "Why, when I was a girl, a gallon of milk cost a dime! Just look at how much people are overcharging for milk now." I asked her how much people got paid back then. "Oh, about $15 a week", came the reply. Hmmm, sounds very much like the reasoning people use now when they talk about how much their father's house appreciated "in the long run" without considering that salaries rose a proportional amount.

38. "Maybe we should just accept that we missed out on a great opportunity to get into the real estate in the past N years."
FALSE. Did we all miss out on a great opportunity to get into the stock of pets.com or other Internet companies with no business model? The real question is what is likely to happen in the next few years according to fundamental economics. The answer is a huge crash. The last guy to buy into the bubble will get hurt the most.

39. "I just want to own my own house."
TRUE, most people do and that's fine. Buyers will get their chance when housing costs half as much and they have saved a fortune by renting. House ownership is great - unless you ruin your life paying for it.

As reader Sean Olender put it: "Many people have forgotten that their number one restriction on future freedom -- to do what they want, when they want, and to go where they want -- the number one power over them in the future isn't the Iraqis, or Iranians, or North Koreans, it isn't the axis of evil, it's their mortgage lender."

http://patrick.net/housing/crash.html
Some of the numbers by each point were copy-able, some were not, I couldn't manage to get them all.
I don't know which is a more horrifying prospect: That income in San Francisco could actually fall without costs of living falling, or that there is an excess of housing no one can afford to buy.
As much as I do love San Francisco, I have to ask: Could what is happening now be viewed as a contemporary equivalent of "white flight" experienced in places like Detroit in the late sixties/early seventies? Only without racist pressures, and instead a focus on affordability?
Are there any San Franciscans that are worried about this?

J Church
12-09-2006, 07:07 AM
Have you just discovered bubble blogs?

BTinSF
12-09-2006, 08:51 AM
http://patrick.net/housing/crash.html
Some of the numbers by each point were copy-able, some were not, I couldn't manage to get them all.
I don't know which is a more horrifying prospect: That income in San Francisco could actually fall without costs of living falling, or that there is an excess of housing no one can afford to buy.
As much as I do love San Francisco, I have to ask: Could what is happening now be viewed as a contemporary equivalent of "white flight" experienced in places like Detroit in the late sixties/early seventies? Only without racist pressures, and instead a focus on affordability?
Are there any San Franciscans that are worried about this?

I'm sorry, but this is ludicrous. First of all, what is this "patrick.net" source and why should we pay any attention to them? I looked at it and it isn't obvious to me what their motivations are--but it does seem likely they have some. Still, I started reading the quoted bit from them and didn't get very far into it until I threw up my hands:

2. Interest rates going back up. When rates go from 5% to 7%, that's a 40% increase in the amount of interest a buyer has to pay. House prices must drop proportionately to compensate.

Sometime within the past week, I read that 30-year fixed mortgage rates were at or very close to their LOW for the year. I am a student of rates--I am a bond investor and I make part of my income that way. For several years now, conventional wisdom (including me) has been expecting long rates to rise but in fact they have not. There are all sorts of complex explanations that I won't bore anyone with, but the fact is they haven't. Only short rates--set by the Fed--have risen and the market is now pricing in 2 or 3 rate CUTS next year (it may be wrong about that too).

3. A flood of risky adjustable rate "home equity loans" draining equity from existing mortgages. Just like the bad primary ARM loans, these loans do not have fixed interest rates. When the interest rate adjusts upward, it can double monthly payments, forcing owners to sell.

"Home equity loans" usually, in fact, have fixed rates but what doesn't are "home equity lines of credit". These are typically tied to shorter rates like the "prime rate" and did rise as the Fed raised the rates it sets but that process is probably now over--and as I said above, we could see such rates actually drop in 2007.

4. Salary declines. From http://www.mccallstaffing.com/need/needsal.html we hear that Bay Area "salaries have in fact returned to 1997 and 1998 levels." Household incomes are not even half of what they need to be to sustain current house prices.

I read the reference. I actually didn't see where it said salaries have returned to 1997 levels but I did see where it said for many categories of jobs, wages are stable and for some (mainly lower-paying ones) they are expected to rise substantially: "1) Rampant salary inflation can be expected when the "boomers" retire and all levels of positions are to be filled by the smaller demographic pool. "

5. Population loss. San Francisco continues to lose population at the fastest rate of any city in the US. Fewer people in the Bay Area means less demand for housing. It recently cost $3623 to rent a UHaul from San Jose to the midwest, but only $1800 to move the other way. This is because far more people are moving out of the Bay Area than are moving in.

My understanding is that much of population loss comes from people with young kids seeking larger homes (and better schools) in which to raise them. Many of these people are renters. I would be interested in any evidence that the city population of home owners is declining. The matter of U-Haul rates has to do with the fact that lots of people move into California from other countries (immigration) and replace people who have lived in CA a while who move elsewhere. That means there is, indeed, a net need for U-Hauls to leave the state but not a net loss of population.

I don't want to go on, but point by point I think much of this article is biased, confused and off target. Concerning leverage, there have so far been no declines in San Francisco home prices in 2006 that even reversed the 2005 gains so very few recent buyers likely have an actual loss. Speculation IS a problem in markets like Las Vegas and Miami, but until the newest generation of SF buildings (One Rincon Hill and The Infinity) inaugurated the mechanism of pre-sales in SF, there was almost no speculation in this market. Pre-sales encourage speculation because they allow people to put down just a few thousand dollars and not have to pay more for up to several years while the building is being built--and they have been common elsewhere in the country but, until now, illegal in California.

Much of the point after point in this article really applies to markets elsewhere where there is not the very tight constraint on supply that is found in San Francisco. And San Francisco prices actually have not "boomed" in the last 2-3 years the way they have elsewhere but have simply continued the steady rise they have been showing for decades.

A lot of people--with whom I agree--think the bottom to this real estate market will come over the next 6 months and that, following that, prices will be pretty stable, niether rising nor falling much, for the next several years as affordability catches up.

fflint
12-09-2006, 10:44 PM
There must be a better way to present an idea than factoid salad.

stumpound
12-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Thanks, BTinSF, for taking the time to respond point-by-point. I wanted to, but didn't have the time.

Fact is, people collect ideas like pretty rocks to support whatever point of view they've already decided to believe. It's easy to make a case that it's all the liberals'/conservatives' and fundamentalist christians'/muslims' fault! A case, that is, which others will accept if they've already decided to believe that point of view.

Once we claim a position, we can only accept facts that support that position, because we're so reluctant to accept that we might be wrong, and have made mistakes because of that.

I applaud the original post's sense of urgency and care that it reflects. But in terms of skill, the hard part is to convince people who don't already want to believe. In this, the "factoid salad" needs work.

NewToCA
12-10-2006, 10:59 PM
That patrick.net site is pretty funny, I have been reading it for the past year and it has an obvious rooting interest in hoping for real estate to crash. It appears as if the blogger missed out on the housing uptick, and is now rooting for those "thinking" they have made lots of money to get burned.

I lived in an area that did not have a bubble, Columbus, Ohio, for the past 14 years, and recently moved out to Sacramento, California, which has had rapidly escalating real estate prices. Without going into extensive detail, I can tell you that both markets are struggling with real estate at this time, with Ohio faring no better than California despite never having had the price run up experienced in California. I personally experienced this, getting slightly less for my home than I had paid 6 years earlier (taking into account real estate selling costs). If the boom was the issue, why is Ohio getting burned too?

I see the articles published under patrick.net as juvenile. I agree that many of the advocates of housing going up and up, including those in the industry and the many "difficult" home builder reps I had to deal with in Sacramento are foolish, however the other extreme as represented in this "article" are no better.

In all likelihood housing is taking a long pause, with a decline of up to 10-15% possible in some areas for those who have to sell now. I don't see it getting any worse than this, and I believe that within the next 5 or so years we will be seeing appreciation again, as builders adjust their inventories to meet realistic housing demands.

BTinSF
12-11-2006, 08:21 AM
I lived in an area that did not have a bubble, Columbus, Ohio, for the past 14 years, and recently moved out to Sacramento, California, which has had rapidly escalating real estate prices. Without going into extensive detail, I can tell you that both markets are struggling with real estate at this time, with Ohio faring no better than California despite never having had the price run up experienced in California. I personally experienced this, getting slightly less for my home than I had paid 6 years earlier (taking into account real estate selling costs). If the boom was the issue, why is Ohio getting burned too?



Ohio appears to be getting hit because it has lost so many jobs to foreign outsourcing and the now-unemployed former holders of those jobs are leaving Ohio (as you evidently did). Actually, I've read a couple of articles in the Wall Street Journal about what bargains houses in the rust belt (specifically upscale Detroit suburbs like Grosse Point) are as the auto industry downsizes.

But since you recently moved to California, you may not be aware of the hit San Francisco real estate (not so much Sacramento) took in 2001-2002 after the dot-com bubble burst. A large portion of the lofts and 1 or 2 bedroom condos bought in 1998-2000 by overpaid young dot-com workers suddenly went on the market as those people lost their jobs and many of them left town (some units on the market came complete with sock puppets and a few with Porsche Boxsters). I think it really took until 2004 for the latest "boom" to get us back to where we were in 2000. So 2005 was really the only "bubble" year in the Bay Area and even that was pretty modest--I think SF prices were up by around 9% and change. I have been arguing (with friends) that that 2001-2002 slump sort of immunized us from a crash now and I've seen nothing to prove I'm wrong yet. But in articles by non-local writers talking about the "crazy" Bay Area house prices, you never see that little local bust mentioned.

J Church
12-11-2006, 04:51 PM
^ And yet prices continued to rise.

BTinSF
12-11-2006, 05:54 PM
^ And yet prices continued to rise.

I'm not quite sure what you are saying, but in the period I referred to, 2001-2003 "average" prices did rise (probably because of new construction and single family homes which weren't as much affected), but if you looked at what you could get for existing specific units, particularly existing 1 and 2 bedroom condos and lofts, they didn't rise. Prices actually gotten (not necessarily the original asking price) dropped quite a bit from the 2001 peak to the 2003 trough. But then in late 2003, 2004 and 2005 they rose again and are now way ahead of even 2001 in spite of whatever weakness there may have been this year.

J Church
12-11-2006, 06:14 PM
In the city and county medians rose throughout the recession with no construction of new single-family and very little new inventory overall.

BTinSF
12-11-2006, 08:02 PM
In the city and county medians rose throughout the recession with no construction of new single-family and very little new inventory overall.

Yes, but I look at specific units. I pay close attention because I own one. I KNOW the prices people were getting for units in my building transiently dropped and looking at similar ones in other buildings I saw the same thing. Medians are affected by a lot of things including such things as the fact that (relatively--in SF that means over $1 million) higher priced dwellings usually hold up better than lower priced ones in weak economic times because rich people can almost always afford the home they want. They are also affected simply by what is selling. Much of my point is that these lofts and smaller condos stopped selling--plenty of sellers but no buyers--because the types of usually single buyers who buy them were primarily affected. EXISTING single family homes were not so affected and I imagine those prices held up well though I don't watch them.

Sorry if I can't convince you but I'm just stating what I observed and what I think it means for today.

Reverberation
12-11-2006, 11:46 PM
So, do you all feel that the prices are going to stay this high? I am about to graduate college and have already ruled out living in California because with studio rents (for decent places) ranging from $800-$1000 there is not much room to save.

I remember my family left Concord for Texas because of the housing market. Since all of you believe that prices will stay high and/or go higher I have one question:

Eventually those who own homes will either die, retire, or relocate. What happens when those people leave the Bay Area? When the average household cannot afford to buy a home and those who bought cheap are gone, who will fill the houses?

Have at it.

LosAngelesBeauty
12-12-2006, 12:52 AM
^ It's quite hard to find a studio (average 500 sq feet) in new Downtown LA projects for anything less than $1200.

BTinSF
12-12-2006, 10:41 PM
The Wall Street Journal said today that the number of listings in San Francisco in November fell dramatically--more than in most other areas of the country ( http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-hinventory0612-08.html?printVersion=true )--which they take as a positive sign because the problem nationally has been a high inventory of unsold homes and a lack of buyers with plenty of sellers.

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-hinventory0612_SFBay.gif

Homes for Sale in Metro Areas Fall
By JAMES R. HAGERTY
December 12, 2006; Page D2

The number of homes listed for sale in 18 major U.S. metropolitan areas at the end of November was down 4% from a month earlier, according to data compiled by ZipRealty Inc., a national real-estate brokerage firm in Emeryville, Calif.

The decline is an encouraging sign for home sellers. Prices have been falling in recent months in many areas, largely because of a glut of unsold homes, and are unlikely to rise again until inventories come down.

The ZipRealty data cover listings of single-family homes, condominiums and town houses on local multiple-listing services.

Inventories of previously occupied homes typically decline modestly in November in most parts of the country, as the approach of the holidays prompts some sellers to take their homes off the market until the new year. During the past 20 years, national inventories have declined by an average of about 2% in November from October, according to Credit Suisse Group.

The U.S. housing market generally has been cooling since mid-2005. Lately, the market has been sending mixed signals, fueling debate about how long the downturn will persist. The National Association of Realtors yesterday predicted sales of previously occupied homes will "rise gradually in 2007 from current levels."

The NAR quoted its chief economist, David Lereah, as saying: "Most of the correction in home prices is behind us, but general gains in value next year will be modest by historical standards." Some other economists expect downward pressure on prices to persist at least through 2007.

One positive sign is that an index of applications for home-purchase mortgages, reported weekly by the Mortgage Bankers Association, has trended upward after falling steeply in late 2005 and the first half of this year. Mortgage interest rates have been declining, making housing more affordable.

Arthur Frank, a mortgage strategist at Barclays Capital in New York, said in an interview that he believes average home prices will rise 2% to 3% next year, though prices probably will decline in some areas.

Richard Berner, an economist at Morgan Stanley & Co. in New York, cautioned in a report last week that signs of a bottoming out in the housing market "may be a false dawn." Buyers have an incentive to hold off in anticipation of price cuts from home builders caught with too many unsold houses, Mr. Berner wrote, and the house-buying frenzy of recent years has left little pent-up demand.

Write to James R. Hagerty at bob.hagerty@wsj.com3

URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116584832966146457.html

bobcat
12-12-2006, 10:49 PM
I would take anything stated by someone on the NAR's payroll with a grain of salt, as they have a vested interest in hyping up the real estate market. Home inventories are seasonal and you only have to look at the graph to see that inventories went down towards the end of last year, too, before spiking up during the Spring selling season.

BTinSF
12-12-2006, 11:23 PM
I would take anything stated by someone on the NAR's payroll with a grain of salt, as they have a vested interest in hyping up the real estate market. Home inventories are seasonal and you only have to look at the graph to see that inventories went down towards the end of last year, too, before spiking up during the Spring selling season.

The article says that: "Inventories of previously occupied homes typically decline modestly in November in most parts of the country, as the approach of the holidays prompts some sellers to take their homes off the market until the new year. During the past 20 years, national inventories have declined by an average of about 2% " but it also points out (in the graphic I linked to) that in SF this year, the listings inventory is down 11.9% which the authors, not NAR, take as significant.

bobcat
12-12-2006, 11:42 PM
^Which is why I thought it was strange that you highlighted what an NAR economist said.

BTinSF
12-12-2006, 11:49 PM
^Which is why I thought it was strange that you highlighted what an NAR economist said.

Because I've read quite a few other people saying the same thing and it seems the consensus view, at least among investors in home builder stocks which are up substantially since last summer (they typically anticipate the market bottom by 6 months).

scribeman
12-13-2006, 04:18 PM
I would have posted more in this article, but it's finals time, so my apologies for that.

You seem on the defensive concerning the San Franciscan housing market, BTinSF. The truth is that the housing prices for your region are so high that no one can afford to pay them without the cruel and unusual mortgages your state's poor creditor standards have provided. It's nice that San Francisco was protected by the recent bubble burst (I've read that theory too, but I don't really know enough about real estate to verify.) Now I just have this desire to ask you what you think about Prop M ;)

It's interesting to note that, at a very recent job fair at my university, New York and Californian firms could not get us to consider employment with them. They had some interesting deals for both business and engineering students, but after two days of begging us to consider they still had not provided quotes good enough to try and work on either side of this nation. There's a very negative view amongst all of us that our disposable income will be eaten alive in California (and NYC) and we won't have any money to invest, much less afford housing costs.

BTinSF
12-14-2006, 10:50 PM
ay Area housing market keeps sliding
Median prices of both houses and condos fall in November
- Marni Leff Kottle, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, December 14, 2006

(12-14) 13:44 PST -- The Bay Area housing market showed further signs of weakness in November as home prices slipped for the second time in three months and the number of houses sold continued its slide, a new report says.

The median price of a home in the Bay Area's nine counties, including new and old single-family houses and condos, dropped 1.4 percent last month to $616,000 from $625,000 in November 2005, according to DataQuick Information Systems. The price drop was the sharpest since a 2.1 percent decline in February 2002.

The number of new and resale homes sold tumbled 26 percent to 7,204. Last month's sale count was the lowest for any November since 2001, when there were 6,644 homes sold.

Housing prices fell the most in Solano, Sonoma and Contra Costa counties as new-home builders slashed prices to clear inventory. San Francisco and Marin counties posted modest price gains.

"Absolutely, the bubble has popped," said Christopher Thornberg, an economist who tracks the housing market for the Beacon Economics consulting firm in Los Angeles. "When a real estate bubble pops, it's a slow-motion train wreck. Things don't happen overnight."

Even with the significant drop in sales volume, homes continue to change hands as buyers and sellers adjust their expectations. The sellers who understand that the days of bidding wars are over and settle on realistic prices are those most likely to find buyers for their homes, said Lisa Thompson, an agent with Paragon Real Estate Group in San Francisco.

"Our market has changed and there aren't as many people out there buying as there were a year ago," said Thompson, who has been selling homes for five years and works mainly in San Francisco neighborhoods such as Noe Valley, Glenn Park, Potrero Hill and the Mission District. "We're not seeing overbidding and there probably aren't as many buyers at the table right now."

For house-hunters like Ian Goldstein, who closed this week on a two-bedroom condo in Corona Heights, the weaker market means that there is much less competition than when he last bought 2Â 1/2 years ago. To win his one-bedroom unit in Duboce Triangle then, Goldstein had to go above the asking price and pay $569,000.

This time around, Goldstein and his partner were the only bidders on the Corona Heights condo. They paid $1.045 million, below the $1.1 million asking price.

"I was able to be a little more deliberate this time," Goldstein said. "There wasn't that pressure that if I didn't get an offer in within the next two hours, I was going to lose the place."

Now, Goldstein faces the task of selling his Duboce Triangle apartment. He is working with his agent, Tom Baumgartner at Zephyr Real Estate, to put it on the market next month and plans price it in the low-to-mid $600,000s. (BT ed. note: Notice he is going to ask about $50,000 more than he paid 2 1/2 years ago; not exactly a market collapse).

He will be trying to sell at a time when condo prices are flat. In San Francisco, the median price for a condo rose just 0.1 percent to $700,000 last month, while the median resale price of a single-family home crept up 1.6 percent to $802,5000 from $790,000.

The housing market is weaker in outlying areas of the Bay Area, where the cooling market means that buyers can afford properties closer in and new home builders are slashing prices.

As builders cut prices to move inventory and keep their shareholders satisfied, the resale market is feeling a spillover effect, said Keitaro Matsuda, senior economist at Union Bank of California.

Builders sold 1,128 new homes in November, down 21 percent from 1,433 a year earlier. The median price for a new home fell 10.1 percent to $602,00 from $670,000 last month in the nine-county region.

"As lenders, we deal with many home builders and home builders are aware of what's happening and they're taking measure to adjust inventories quite quickly," Matsuda said. "That downward adjustment starts to influence the resale market as well."

Consider John Schmidt, a pastor from Florida who is moving to Santa Rosa. After getting over the sticker shock from Bay Area housing prices, Schmidt was able to buy a four-bedroom house for $635,000, about $14,000 below the list price. He expects to close the deal Dec. 27, the same day that he plans to move to Santa Rosa with his wife and youngest child.

Visiting a series of open houses during his two-month search, Schmidt said, he drew intense interest from real estate agents when he made it clear he was a serious buyer.

"There wasn't a huge volume of people and most of the other people weren't really serious buyers -- they were just kind of looky-loos," he said. "A smattering of people would come through, but when I looked at the registries there were sometimes only a couple of names that had signed in."

Economists disagree on how long it will take for the market to recover. Union Bank's Matsuda says he thinks that the bulk of the correction is over. "The market will probably be slow in 2007, but if the California economy maintains its momentum, I wouldn't be surprised if the housing market regains its footing by the end of the year," he said.

Beacon's Thornberg sees a much longer trajectory, saying that he doesn't expect significant price appreciation for five years.

"There are two ways a bubble can pop -- one way is for prices to go down and then come back up again, and the other way would be for prices level off until the fundamentals catch up," Thornberg said. "Either way, the price that your house is now is the same as it will be in 2012."

E-mail Marni Leff Kottle at mkottle@sfchronicle.com.

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Note that both the "experts" quoted above are saying about what I said--the market is close to a bottom or has bottomed, with San Francisco prices not actually falling, and prices should now remain flat for a while (how long a while being controversial--I'd say 3 years, not 5).

I don't know why you say I'm "defensive" scribeman. I stated a position, which I believe is correct and which is the result of nearly 30 years of watching the CA housing market, and I'm defending it--vigorously. If that's "defensive", so be it. But I think so far I'm being shown to be correct as in the above article. While prices in remote parts of the Bay Area and California in general, which did have a substantial boom, are falling somewhat whereas San Francisco prices, having had some downs in recent years as well as ups and haivng only a very limited boom if any (up about 9% in 2005 compared with 14% in places like Tucson), are doing OK.

What do I think of Prop. M? Since what you said after asking that doesn't really follow with the "Prop. M" I'm thinking of, let's be clear that in SF, "Prop. M" limits office construction to a cumulative 875,000 sq ft. per year. It has no effect on housing construction and, because it's cumulative, alotments get "banked" in years when there is effectively no office construction as has been the case for several years now meaning--meaning that severl million square feet of office space is presently "entitled" and can be built when the developers think they can profitably do so. What do I think of it? I'm very much against it, but I do acknowledge that it probably has kept San Francisco from having the kind of collpase of office rents that have affected some other cities when their primary industry went comatose (think Houston when the oil industry collapsed). I'm not sure why you asked in the context of housing prices, though.

I don't know where your university is. If it's not in California or the northeast, I can understand the attitude you describe. When I moved to CA from Florida in 1982, I was terrified I wouldn't be able to find an affordable place to live. I did though and lots of people do every year. The bottom line is you have to want to live here or you shouldn't be willing to pay the prices. But the fact seems to be that the prices got the way they are because so many people--including quite a few from other countries--do want to live here. I mention the people from other countires, because I'm constantly amazed that the most common language I hear being spoken in the halls and elevators of my own condo is Chinese (in one dialect or another)--and these are mostly young people who, in many cases I believe, are not American citizens but foreign students whose (presumeably wealthy) parents in Asia bought them the apartment to live in while in school. I say that simply by way of saying the SF market in particular is very complex and hard for people who don't live there to comprehend.



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