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I feel we need to get all Charlotte's development into one thread, being there is not one here.

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Wachovia Site Plan
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/110443959_24f2e16997_o.jpg
Mint Kids Museum
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/05kidmuseum.jpg
Mint Museum
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/04mintmuseum.jpg
Bechter Museum
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/02bechtler.jpg
AfroAmerica Museum
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/01afrocenter.jpg
Wachovia Condo Tower 42 stories
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/06condo.jpg
Wachovia Office Tower 48 stories
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/03officetower.jpg

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This will be next to the Bobcats Area on 1/3 of an acre at a cost of 2.1 million for land.
The Concouse
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/wlangston1/261959128055.jpg

[atl2phx]

charlotte's got some sweet projects coming up.

[ScreamShatter]

Where have I been?

I haven't seen the renderings for most any of those projects. Good for Charlotte.

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Rosewood Condos at Providence Rd. and Sharon Amity Rd.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Rosewood/P1010013.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Rosewood/P1010007.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Rosewood/P1010019.jpg

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Avenue Condos 36 stories
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Avenue/Avenue-2006-12-09.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Avenue/theAvenue9.jpg

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The Vue Condos - 51 stories - Construction starts in first quarter 2007.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Vue/Vue.jpg

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The Trademark is under construction and should be completed in 2007.
It is 28 stories.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Condos/Trademark/Trademark.jpg

[guynvb]

Great looking projects.

[ScreamShatter]

I'm very pleased to see all the museum development; in my opinion, they are way past due for uptown.

Also, it's really cool to see the quality of projects going up in Charlotte. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that the city is getting as many 30+ condo towers, but I think it is great!

Without starting a war, I wonder what development in Charlotte would do if USAir and Delta merged? Assuming USAir keeps Charlotte as its largest hub, I think we would see another boom...maybe not the size of what we are seeing now, but a boom that would be a little more stretched out over time with constant development. It's nice to dream...

[Jordan84]

Charlotte is one of the most active cities in the southeast...I don't know why all the Charlotte people left SSP...ANyway, 4 new scrapers are going up in a huge project near the arena..I think it has something to do with TWELVE, however I'm not sure..Just heard some news on it..I know someone has details...God, how many projects are going up in the next 5 years? Uptown Charlotte is going to double in a very short amount of time! I can't think of another city Charlotte's size getting the amount of projects...Also, the heights of all these projects is phenominal....Two 50+ story condo towers, one 800 foot office tower, and like 30 300-500 ft residential/office towers...This is crazy.

[Jordan84]

Sorry, just got a little excited.

[KB0679]

ANyway, 4 new scrapers are going up in a huge project near the arena..I think it has something to do with TWELVE, however I'm not sure

It's a Novare project near the Panthers stadium.

[smArTaLlone]

Charlotte is one of the most active cities in the southeast...I don't know why all the Charlotte people left SSP...ANyway, 4 new scrapers are going up in a huge project near the arena..I think it has something to do with TWELVE, however I'm not sure..Just heard some news on it..I know someone has details...God, how many projects are going up in the next 5 years? Uptown Charlotte is going to double in a very short amount of time! I can't think of another city Charlotte's size getting the amount of projects...Also, the heights of all these projects is phenominal....Two 50+ story condo towers, one 800 foot office tower, and like 30 300-500 ft residential/office towers...This is crazy.

Someone should do a complete project list on the compilations thread. I check out whats going on in Charlotte occasionally but I had no idea there were 30+ buildings planned.

[ScreamShatter]

http://www.charlotte.com/images/charlotte/charlotte/16225/263253057750.jpg

A peek at the future of Third Ward
Group from Atlanta leading charge to transform part of uptown

A public park proposed for Third Ward is yet to be built, but it's already the centerpiece of a plan to develop three residential towers and an office building.

Atlanta-based Novare Group envisions about 1,400 units -- including 150 hotel suites -- combined with street-level shops and restaurants on a park proposed in a public-private land swap.

The size and scope of this project have the potential to make it one of the center city's highest-impact Next Big Things yet.

Construction is to start by early summer on the first phase, a 29-story, 400-unit condo tower at Church and Second streets.

Tony Skillbeck, president of Novare's Carolinas division, said the developers were "very intentional" in targeting the Third Ward site for the projects.

He said plans for the park and a Charlotte Knights baseball stadium -- which the company supports -- should quickly boost commercial and residential development momentum there.

"We want to be in the forefront of that movement," Skillbeck said.

Novare, one of the Southeast's most active high-rise residential developers, said earlier this year that it's enthusiastic about uptown's growth potential and plans to make Charlotte its biggest operation outside Atlanta.

The center city's residential tower boom started about 3 1/2 years ago. Novare's new project pushes the total number announced since then to 18.

Two residential high-rises are finished and five are under construction, including Novare's first Charlotte project -- 36-story Avenue at Fifth and Church streets.

Every new announcement raises questions about the strength of the uptown residential market and the potential for overbuilding.

Multifamily housing analyst Emma Littlejohn of The Littlejohn Group said Novare would capture a major share if its projects are built as planned.

But, she said, delivering them at the anticipated rate of slightly more than 300 units a year shouldn't flood the market.

Young professionals, who are active buyers in the center city and Novare's prime customers, are flocking to entertainment and cultural attractions and pumping up the population.

Announced condo towers and other residential projects have the potential to more than double today's estimated 11,000 uptown population by the start of the next decade.

Novare began acquiring property around the proposed park site in late 2005, before the company knew of the proposed land swap. So far it has assembled roughly 6.3 acres.

The original park site -- a block farther west of Tryon where the baseball stadium is now proposed -- was close enough to entice Novare, Skillbeck said.

Three of the planned projects -- the condo tower, a 15- to 16-story office building and a 39-story condo-hotel -- would be on a Church Street block occupied by the old Power Building, which is being demolished.

They would be on the Second Street side of the proposed 5.2-acre park, bounded by Second, Church, Mint and Third streets.

The fourth building, a 29- to 33-story condo tower, would displace the Packard Building near Church and Third streets, on the Third Street edge of the park.

Novare said construction would be phased so -- if the land swap is approved -- all of the buildings would be finished in 2011.

Without the swap, he said, the condo tower planned on the Packard Building site likely would be built later than 2011.

Skillbeck said Novare will proceed with construction regardless of whether elected officials approve the land swap, which would move the park site closer to Tryon.

But, he said, the estimated $415 million development could occur faster, probably be denser and start producing property tax revenue sooner if the proposed swap happens as proposed.

"This is the kind of private investment that is unlocked by placing the park and the ball park in the right location," said Michael Smith, president of Charlotte Center City Partners.

"It will bring additional parking, more residences, more retail, more open space, a broader tax base and more activity to Third Ward," he said.

Smith first proposed the swap about a year ago to help bring baseball to the center city and encourage residential redevelopment in Second Ward around what's now Marshall Park.

Mecklenburg County assumed the lead roll in the land swap in November and would be responsible for $7.8 million in infrastructure improvements around the stadium.

Smith said the goal is to have all the legal documents for the swap signed in the first quarter of 2007.

"Hopefully, the impact of this announcement by Novare Group will provide some validation to the investment that will be unlocked by this proposal," he said.

Novare estimated that its investment would increase annual tax revenue on the property from about $490,000 today to almost $7 million.

WHAT NOVARE GROUP ENVISIONS

Novare Group is still working out details of its proposed Third Ward development, designed in cooperation with Smallwood, Reynolds, Stewart, Stewart.

The planners envision buildings with pedestrian-friendly interior streets and ground-level retail that dovetails with the park.

In addition to three residential towers and an office building, they plan a parking structure at the corner of Mint and First streets.

The TWELVE condo-hotel would include an amenity deck and pool. The hotel would operate separately from the condos, but condo owners would have access to all hotel amenities from housekeeping to room service.

Condo specifics are still being determined, but Novare's Tony Skillbeck said units in the initial building will be similar in size and price to those in Avenue under construction uptown.

They probably would start at about 700 square feet and sell in the high $100,000s to mid-$200,000s.

Units in the condo tower planned at Third and Church could be slightly more expensive, he said.

Novare hasn't selected a contractor but is talking with them, Skillbeck said.

It's dealing with two preferred lenders to finalize construction financing, he said.

HOTEL SHUFFLE

Plans to develop a TWELVE Hotels & Residences' tower in Levine Properties' First Ward urban village are on hold as Novare Group switches priorities.

It now will build its first Charlotte TWELVE in Third Ward.

Novare and partner Faison Enterprises described it as a decision to "defer development" of the condo-hotel at Seventh and College streets.

"That project had several complicated components that the partnership was not able to reconcile," said John Long, Novare's chief investment officer.

WHO IS NOVARE?

Novare Group, founded in 1992, is a private real estate development company based in Atlanta. The company has built office and residential units, but since 2000 it has concentrated on the high-rise, mixed-use condo targeting 25-to-40-year-old buyers.

Novare looks for locations where it can foster the experience of urban living.

Currently, it's developing more than 5,000 condo units in Charlotte, Atlanta, Austin, Texas, Nashville, Tenn., and Tampa, Fla.

Novare's first Charlotte project -- 36-story Avenue at Fifth and Church streets -- includes 386 units. Only 18 remain for sale.

Avenue is to be completed in fall 2007 with more than 6,000 square feet of retail at the base.

More information: www.novaregroup.com.


Doug Smith

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/columnists/doug_smith/16224954.htm

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There are lots of things I like about this project, but I really like 2 things in particular: (1) These projects are next to the Wachovia project. So it will give some density to that area. (2) Often in newer cities, each skyscraper takes up an entire block. In this picture, two of the skyscrapers are on the same block, just next to year other. I guess that reminds me of New York, Philly, and Chicago.

On a flip side, I'll be very impressed if all these towers get built. I'm a little surprised we haven't seen more being canceled yet. I definately would buy a condo in uptown if I still lived in the big CLT.

[ScreamShatter]

Charlotte is one of the most active cities in the southeast...I don't know why all the Charlotte people left SSP.

Hint: It involves bashing. Look at which cities/states dominate the forum...and look at where the moderators from this forum are from...that will give you a big clue.

I've been on this site for years; and granted, some of the charlotte forumers had big egos...me being one at times. I've tried to revive the Charlotte sector a couple of times with no success. When I started a "Charlotte Development Thread" about 5 months ago...bashing ended up occurring.

Charlotte has a lot of development occurring. Why can't we brag about it in a "Charlotte Development Thread" like the other groups do in their threads...and why didn't anyone stop the other forumers from other cities from bashing when we tried this thread 5 months ago? It’s not like we were discussing Charlotte in the Atlanta forum; in fact, it was the other way around. Once again, refer back to my HINT at the top of my comment.

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I would like to see a balance in the forums. I don't like to see one city dominating the forums. Also I don’t care about my city is better than your city. We all should enjoy the good news coming from all cities in the forums.

[ScreamShatter]

I would like to see a balance in the forums. I don't like to see one city dominating the forums. Also I don’t care about my city is better than your city. We all should enjoy the good news coming from all cities in the forums.

Never going to happen. If you want to discuss Charlotte, you need to try skyscrapercity.com. That's where all the other Charlotte forumers went from here. I was just reading over there, and they were talking about how Charlotte's skyline is going to become bigger than Minn or Houston soon. Then people from other cities congratulated the city on the recent projects announced...and no one ever bashed. You could never make that comment over here because people would put you down in 2 seconds flat.

I wish they would just have different states under the Southern section. So once you click on southern, then you would click on which state you want to discuss...I think that would help a lot of the problem and make everyone feel like they have a place.

[Style]

the atlanta and b-ham people bitched for years that the charlotte people posted too much. well now the forum is dominated by atlanta and b-ham. it is a cycle of sorts. i just dont see too many of the charlotte people ever coming back to the forum. that said, try skyscrapercity.

[thumper]

Never going to happen. If you want to discuss Charlotte, you need to try skyscrapercity.com. That's where all the other Charlotte forumers went from here. ...

They all went to UrbanPlanet.org.

They even have a homepage for Charlotte. http://charlotte.urbanplanet.org

[erm1981]

Hell stick around. More people from charlotte are bound to join plus you got all us from the upstate, sc and columbia, sc that are interested in what charlottes is building.

[atlantaguy]

the atlanta and b-ham people bitched for years that the charlotte people posted too much. well now the forum is dominated by atlanta and b-ham. it is a cycle of sorts. i just dont see too many of the charlotte people ever coming back to the forum. that said, try skyscrapercity.

You know, I never thought it was more than one huge asshole from Atlanta that really seems to have gone away. I don't recall that much bitching - I don't think it would be the same now. SSC is much worse as far as the Vs. crap goes.

I personally have always enjoyed keeping up with CLT, and miss some of the long gone people, like nostyle, etc.

[ScreamShatter]

Hell stick around. More people from charlotte are bound to join plus you got all us from the upstate, sc and columbia, sc that are interested in what charlottes is building.

This forum used to be filled with Charlotte posters. Refer back to many of the threads from 3 or so years ago. I agree with Style...they aren't coming back.

You know, I never thought it was more than one huge asshole from Atlanta that really seems to have gone away. I don't recall that much bitching - I don't think it would be the same now. SSC is much worse as far as the Vs. crap goes.

I personally have always enjoyed keeping up with CLT, and miss some of the long gone people, like nostyle, etc.

Thanks...very nice of you to say so.

It really sucks, but there was a lot of fighting. There were many wrong doings on all sides, but I really do miss all the old people too. I think this forum 3 years ago is much better than both UP and SSC is today.

If SSP really wanted the Charlotte people back, they would try to accommodate them like they did for the Florida people. I think the best solution would be to have regional forums with state subsets; that solution would segregate many of the “VS”-type problems and build stronger state communities.

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It woks well on UP. You can pick what part of the country you want to read and don't have to source though many forums. The problem with UP it has a problem with it Southeast Administrator metro.m. He is heavy handed on dealing with members.

[ScreamShatter]

This photo has came from over on urbanplanet. Someone inserted the 2 Wachovia towers into the picture. Looks pretty cool.

http://www.lodestone.com/james/charlotte/skyline_wach.jpg

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http://novaregroup.com/images/portfolio/centennialpark.jpg

There's another view of the Novare Group's project over in 3rd Ward. This project will be in the same area as the Wachovia buildings.

[RockHillJames]

Nope, that's Centennial Park in Atlanta.

The only rendering we've seen so far for the Charlotte project is the one earlier in the thread:
http://www.charlotte.com/images/charlotte/charlotte/16225/263253057750.jpg

Glad you like the Charlotte rendering, that was mine. I posted here as an addendum on my latest City Photos thread...which, when I think of it now, was a pretty poor place to post it. I did it in response to a poster's question there.

[ScreamShatter]

Nope, that's Centennial Park in Atlanta.

The only rendering we've seen so far for the Charlotte project is the one earlier in the thread:
http://www.charlotte.com/images/charlotte/charlotte/16225/263253057750.jpg

Glad you like the Charlotte rendering, that was mine. I posted here as an addendum on my latest City Photos thread...which, when I think of it now, was a pretty poor place to post it. I did it in response to a poster's question there.


Thanks :) And nice to see you! :)