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i-215
Dec 13, 2006, 9:48 PM
9W would need tolls, too, report says
Newberg-Dundee bypass - Toll prices on both routes would depend upon who gets exempted and state funding


Wednesday, December 13, 2006
LISA GRACE LEDNICER and JAMES MAYER

A private toll road bypassing Newberg and Dundee could work financially and politically if motorists who use Oregon 99W also pay the toll, with residents and visitors getting a free pass, the Australian company exploring the idea said Tuesday.

Any tolling option chosen needs to ensure that the traffic causing the problem "pays for the solution," Nick Hahn, project manager for the Macquarie Infrastructure Group, told the Oregon Transportation Commission at a meeting in Portland.

The company's 167-page report said a toll of $3.50 for through-traffic on both roads, with Newberg and Dundee residents paying a flat fee of $1 to use the bypass, would bring in enough money to build and run the bypass for 50 years but only if taxpayers put up $150 million. Eliminating all public support for the project would require a $5 toll.

Macquarie, one of the world's largest toll-road operators, would put up $379 million in construction costs. The state would contribute $50 million towards construction and $100 million to buy the right of way to build the 11-mile bypass, according to Macquarie's proposal. The firm would operate the road under an agreement with the Oregon Department of Transportation, with ownership reverting to the state after five decades.

The report, which mentions nontoll financing options only briefly, is the most detailed to date of how tolling could help pay for the Newberg-Dundee bypass. If the state pursues Macquarie's proposal, it will serve as a blueprint for using tolls to pay for other costly road projects, such as widening the southern portion of Interstate 205 and building a new Sunrise Corridor highway from I-205 to Damascus.

Transportation commissioners questioned the assumption that ODOT would commit $150 million to pay for the road. Commissioner Gail Achterman noted that by 2008, when Macquarie proposes to begin building the bypass, the transportation agency will have only $50 million a year to invest in new projects for the entire state.

Yamhill County officials said they need more time to study the report before deciding which financing option makes the most sense.

"It's hard for me to sense how people are going to react to this," said Yamhill County Commissioner Leslie Lewis, who said she prefers putting tolls on just the bypass. "Clearly, they reacted badly to tolling the entire corridor. Whether this will have any public acceptability, I don't know."

Yamhill County residents and officials have been pushing for the bypass for decades as traffic has increased on 99W, which links the Portland area with the county's wine country, the Oregon Coast and Spirit Mountain Casino. But the project has never been a high priority in a state with dwindling resources for highway projects and many pressing transportation needs.

Macquarie signed an agreement with the state in April to study the project's feasibility. Tuesday's report is one in a series of "milestones" in the agreement that allows either party to pull the plug on the project. If Macquarie ends up signing an agreement with the state, the bypass could open for motorists in 2011.

i-215
Dec 13, 2006, 9:52 PM
Duh! Of course, if you toll both routes you'll make more money. To me, this proposal reeks. Isn't the idea of a toll the idea that we're paying for a new road, not a chance to make a few quick bucks off the poor residents of the Willamette Valley?

I mean, how do you toll this:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/utradioguide/newberg.jpg

Please, somebody say I'm misunderstanding this. If not, Newberg residents, get your toll tags ready....

urbanlife
Dec 13, 2006, 11:36 PM
that is a really high toll to pay too. I so would never be using that road if I lived out there, couldnt afford to. Good thing I live downtown and walk everywhere. Well I do hope the people of that area dont get their asses handed to them.

pdxman
Dec 14, 2006, 12:49 AM
I don't mind toll roads...if people complain about traffic congestion yet don't want to pay more taxes, toll roads are what they get. Are people on the east coast and europe dumber than west coast people? Or smarter?

i-215
Dec 14, 2006, 6:45 AM
I am always in favor of raising taxes! It sure beats tolls!

pdxman
Dec 14, 2006, 9:40 AM
I am always in favor of raising taxes! It sure beats tolls!
Well, unfortunately, people up here don't think like that. I guess you can't blame them, tho, the oregon legislature is awful. They can't get anything important done. There isn't a sales tax here either so that makes it harder to find temporary, fast ways to get money by implementing a sales tax increase. I guess we could also keep going up the ladder to the federal government--who decides to spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on a ridiculous war instead of putting that money in to education, social services and roads, etc...but i won't go further in to that :hell:

i-215
Dec 14, 2006, 3:34 PM
:previous:

Even as a Replublican, let me just say that that could change. I think we'll see more money spent on domestic issues with this congress ... even if they are all... cough cough... well, that other party. :haha:

I agree, Oregon's legislature is a mess. They can't even put a stop to the "we'll tow away your car" insanity, that cost me $270 last year. I guess Multnomah County had some protections for citizens, and Clackamas has some too, but because I was towed 14 miles from Willamette to SE Portland I went "across county lines" therefore no protections applied to me, so they socked it to me. And there's no sense arguing with Retreiver Towing because they'll just charge you another hour for "storage." Uugh! It's the only state in the nation that has such a car towing racket going on, that I've ever seen ... and Oregonians are getting shafted for it.

But I'm getting off topic. Personally, it would be great to see 99W be a freeway. However, I could see that if most the traffic is casino traffic, a toll 99W Bypass could make some sense, even if I'm opposed to it. But the idea of tolling both sides - the town side and the freeway side is a joke! There always needs to be a free alternative!

Anyone else feel my indignation? Plus, how do you toll a "Main St."?

zilfondel
Dec 15, 2006, 1:36 AM
According to what I've read, there are only 16,300 cars/day that use the corridor. That's actually not a lot of traffic... I-5 between Salem & Portland has like around 150,000. So a $350 million 11 mile road ends up with a very high toll.

Sounds like, from what I've read, Dundee is trying to toll everyone from McMinnville who commutes into Portland.