[jew4life4948]

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[atl2phx]

I know that several years ago the plan was to eventually have office buildings in that northeastern corner, with one building on the scale of the Bank of America tower (if not a new tallest for Atlanta, at least close to it). I'm not sure if that is still the plan. As far as transportation, what about that bridge that used to carry the rail spur across 75? I assume it is unused now? I don't know if it would be wide enough for two lanes of traffic, but it might provide some more connectivity to peachtree.

i'm not sure if this is on the table in any of the intown transit proposals, but i think that spur would be a logical extension for marta or beltline. expensive yes, but marta could easily run south from from lindberg, connect with the AMTRACK station, then run along the northern border of AS and continue south through west midtown and a few more miles until it meets up with the underutilized and stranded bankhead station.

[NativeAtlantan]

niff, are you referring to the Amtrak rail that goes across I-75? That's the only rail bridge I can think of that crosses I-75 north of the connector and south of Northside Dr.

[atllocal74]

Target finally opened, so I decided I needed something and stopped by. I was pleasantly suprised to see it has a grocery department inside. There’s also a mini Starbucks and Pizza Hut Express and seems like enough tables and seating for 50 people. It’s a huge store inside, so I didn’t walk around the whole thing, but seems to have everything. My only complaint is no self checkout Kiosks, how could they build a brand new store without self checkout.

So I know there’s nothing terribly exciting about Target, but for the residents, I think now you really could live here without a car and walk everywhere to buy your daily necessities and take the free shuttle to Marta, or grab one of the taxis that sits all day at Twelve. I will never say you never have to leave, (because I would probably kill myself first), but the point is this should be a great addition to the neighborhood.

[jew4life4948]

I can see the Target from my front porch now.
Until The Atlantic is complete in 2009.


Target finally opened, so I decided I needed something and stopped by. I was pleasantly suprised to see it has a grocery department inside. There’s also a mini Starbucks and Pizza Hut Express and seems like enough tables and seating for 50 people. It’s a huge store inside, so I didn’t walk around the whole thing, but seems to have everything. My only complaint is no self checkout Kiosks, how could they build a brand new store without self checkout.

So I know there’s nothing terribly exciting about Target, but for the residents, I think now you really could live here without a car and walk everywhere to buy your daily necessities and take the free shuttle to Marta, or grab one of the taxis that sits all day at Twelve. I will never say you never have to leave, (because I would probably kill myself first), but the point is this should be a great addition to the neighborhood.

[Terminus]

I walked to Target at lunch. I'm happy it's open because it's easy to get to via transit. I also love the building. Even with it's awful first floor parking it's the best looking building at Atlantic Station. I wish the whole project had been built in a more contemporary style.

[niff]

niff, are you referring to the Amtrak rail that goes across I-75? That's the only rail bridge I can think of that crosses I-75 north of the connector and south of Northside Dr.

This is actually south of the Amtrak rail. I don't have a picture to post, but if you look on Google earth, you will see 3 bridges that cross 75 before it merges into 85. The first bridge (from north to south) is Deering road, the second is the Amtrak line and the 3rd is that rail spur which used to serve the steel mill (I assume that the bridge hasn't been taken down since this aerial shot was made). I don't know if the bridge is really usable since the line merges in right at the Amtrk station, so it might require an extra ramp from peachtree or some shifting of exiting lines to fit in a hypothetical marta line.

[niff]

I just checked the Atlantic webcam and noticed what looked to be several hundred or maybe even several thousand people in the street. Is there a road racing going on today? A bit Ironic that I'd happen to check the camera right when a large mass of people is going by.

[gsustudent]

The target will look way better in a few months/years. Right now the parking underneath is viewable to passerbys. But right in front of the target is a great park with a lot of seating space. The park has a wall of Ivy plants growing to block the parking. Once the Ivy grows not only will the park look nice but you will not be able to see the parking. Great Concept!

[atlantaguy]

niff - Not sure if there was any organized event or not yesterday, but went to Target & Ikea about 2:30 and the entire area was just packed! There were a ton of out of towners in Ikea - but that seems to be the norm lately.

[cessna_210]

I just checked the Atlantic webcam and noticed what looked to be several hundred or maybe even several thousand people in the street. Is there a road racing going on today? A bit Ironic that I'd happen to check the camera right when a large mass of people is going by.

Walk for Breast Cancer. Did you not notice everybody was wearing pink? ;)

[gt9228a]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

This might be the first shooting in the actual complex - if that is indeed where it was.

[ATLaffinity]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

This might be the first shooting in the actual complex - if that is indeed where it was.

sad but this won't be rare at AS. i don't know what they can do about it but they get a lot of loitering during the night. i don't think these people are shopping at Ann Taylor or eating at Rosa Mexicano.

[WSUSOM]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

This might be the first shooting in the actual complex - if that is indeed where it was.

What a stand up young man. I wonder how many people passed bye without intervening.

[Andrea]

What a stand up young man. I wonder how many people passed bye without intervening.

I thought about that, too, WSUSOM. And he gets shot for his trouble. :(

We have got to do something as a society to stop the senseless shooting of our young men and women. Maybe I am wrong but it seems more and more common to read about disputes ending with some nitwit whipping out a gun and shooting somebody. That kind of moronic, selfish violence not only involves the shooter and the victim, it screws things up for the rest of us, too. I'm not going to be hanging around shopping malls and bars where people think it's (a) acceptable to carry a firearm and (b) okay to pull it out and start firing because they're ticked off about something.

What on earth makes someone believe it's all right to pack heat on a trip to Atlantic Station?

[WSUSOM]

I've wondered about the same thing myself Andrea. My friends and I were just discussing this incident and couldn't make any sense of it. Why in the world do you need to be carrying a fire arm on a date with your girlfriend. But then again this is America and it's a protected right( no matter if you agree with it or not). That's why I don't go to clubs because of idiots like this.

[Andrea]

Oh, we certainly have the right to own firearms in this country and I'm not really interested in changing that. I grew up around hunters, and we have firearms at our home. I would use them to protect myself or my family from imminent attack.

But it would never occur to me to take a gun to the mall, or to the bar, or out to dinner. What kind of nonsense is that? Those are public spaces, and it's insanity (not to mention the height of selfishness) to take a dangerous weapon there. When people start doing crap like that they ruin things for everyone.

:hell:

[WSUSOM]

Oh, we certainly have the right to own firearms in this country and I'm not really interested in changing that. I grew up around hunters, and we have firearms at our home. I would use them to protect myself or my family from imminent attack.

But it would never occur to me to take a gun to the mall, or to the bar, or out to dinner. What kind of nonsense is that? Those are public spaces, and it's insanity (not to mention the height of selfishness) to take a dangerous weapon there. When people start doing crap like that they ruin things for everyone.

:hell:

I couldn't agree with you more than what you have qouted above:tup:

[MarketsWork]

Oh, we certainly have the right to own firearms in this country and I'm not really interested in changing that. I grew up around hunters, and we have firearms at our home. I would use them to protect myself or my family from imminent attack.

But it would never occur to me to take a gun to the mall, or to the bar, or out to dinner. What kind of nonsense is that? Those are public spaces, and it's insanity (not to mention the height of selfishness) to take a dangerous weapon there. When people start doing crap like that they ruin things for everyone.

:hell:

It's a safe bet that the shooter was not carrying a firearm legally. A citizen must submit to a background check and obtain a permit from his county in order to carry a concealed weapon in Georgia. People who do that don't cause trouble, and do not threaten anyone. In fact, there has not been a gun crime committed by a concealed carry permit holder since permits were issued in Georgia.

So, this yahoo was already an outlaw for carrying a concealed weapon without a license. And based upon my hunch that his penchant for violence has some history behind it, I'd be willing to bet our suspect has had previous experience with the criminal justice system. That means we probably have a convicted felon in possession of a firearm -- another no-no. The moral of the story is that violent criminals are almost always armed, and prohibition laws do not deter them. That's why they're called "outlaws."

Atlantic Station is drawing a bad crowd after-hours, and needs to avoid the same crowds that overran and spoiled the Buckhead village scene. But Atlantic Station is private property, so I hope its management can find a way to use its private police powers to run off the menacing loiterers without discouraging more desirable pedestrian traffic. The long-term success of The Atlantic -- with 400 new condos that will bring the critical mass of residents to Atlantic Station -- is dependent upon a safe and inviting street environment.

And here's to the brave young man who stood up for the young lady in distress. The high standards long ingrained in Morehouse men have been upheld once again by Mr. Johnson. May his recovery be swift and full...

[echinatl]

City Place in South Florida had a similar situation. They began to strictly enforce the no loitering laws and that solved the issue very quickly. I don't go to AS at night EVER after getting out of a movie late a few months ago. It sucked, everyone looked at me like I shouldn't be there, and made comments to the girl I was with. I'm not going to put myself in a situation like that and I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels that way. What is silly is that if AS doesn't do anything about it, they are the ones that will suffer, since I can go anywhere for a movie or for shopping. AS only has its atmosphere, which I like during the day, and without that it's nothing. The people that are hanging out aren't putting any money into the stores in AS, and if the stores start pulling out it's over. Honestly I don't think it will come to that, I mean there is so much money in there that I can't believe the people in charge would let this continue...... I hope I'm not wrong.

I also agree with MarketsWork 100% about the gun thing. Maybe if I carried a concealed weapon I would feel safe there at night? Probably not.....:)

[cessna_210]

"Atlantic Station is drawing a bad crowd after-hours, and needs to avoid the same crowds that overran and spoiled the Buckhead village scene."

The thug, rapper wannabee, loiterers, hanging out in the evening are going to sink Atlantic Station faster than the Titanic. The place is great during the day and early evening with a great mix of people but after dark its ghetto! I heard a rumor they are going to start closing the place down at midnight. Is that true?

[jew4life4948]

"Atlantic Station is drawing a bad crowd after-hours, and needs to avoid the same crowds that overran and spoiled the Buckhead village scene."

The thug, rapper wannabee, loiterers, hanging out in the evening are going to sink Atlantic Station faster than the Titanic. The place is great during the day and early evening with a great mix of people but after dark its ghetto! I heard a rumor they are going to start closing the place down at midnight. Is that true?

That would seem counter-productive.
Seeing as they market themselves as a a 24-hour environment.
Oh well.
Concepts vs. Reality

[ATLaffinity]

i don't see how anyone would spend time at AS and then decide to live at The Atlantic which is supposed to be this high-end product.

violence aside, the place has become a low-end mall filled with teenagers. i half expect to see an Orange Julius or Spencer's Gifts.

as noted above, you wonder if some retailers will bail or simply shut down early on fri and sat nights.

[SteveD]

It's been a little while since I was over at AS. I didn't realize after hours had grown so dicey.

[echinatl]

I really like it during the day. There are a few good stores and my girlfriend likes that new clothing store that you guys were talking about a few weeks ago. I guess I'll be forced to go more once that opens. The movie theater is nice, I like the furniture stores too. I'm not a big fan of the restaurant selection though but I’m picky when it comes to that.

It sucks at night, but as I said before an area called City Place in Palm Beach had the same problem and was able to fix it just by not allowing loitering. Seems like a simple fix?

[jew4life4948]

I really like it during the day. There are a few good stores and my girlfriend likes that new clothing store that you guys were talking about a few weeks ago. I guess I'll be forced to go more once that opens. The movie theater is nice, I like the furniture stores too. I'm not a big fan of the restaurant selection though but I’m picky when it comes to that.

It sucks at night, but as I said before an area called City Place in Palm Beach had the same problem and was able to fix it just by not allowing loitering. Seems like a simple fix?

I think the idea of AS is a suburban concept marketed in an urban environment.

It's like putting one of the "Avenues" [East Cobb, West Cobb, Web Ginn, etc]
in Little 5 Points. I don't plan on inciting the topic of Edgewood Retail.

But hey, maybe I could be wrong.

My friends and I, high school students, sometimes bum around AS in the evenings. It's not like the Highlands or L5P, but it's close and convienient.
Besides the Target it's not really wallet-friendly.

Ok, this tangent need's to end.
Now.
[the end]

[atl2phx]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

This might be the first shooting in the actual complex - if that is indeed where it was.

according to atlantic station's public relations firm, the shooting referenced by the AJC took place "some distance" from atlantic station and had "no connection" to atlantic station.

here's their response:

Bill --

Thanks for your message. As often happens in our local media, incidents
that happen anyway near Atlantic Station get tagged to the community.
In fact, the shooting you referenced below took place some distance from
Atlantic Station and had no connection with Atlantic Station. Per
capita, crime in Atlantic Station is lower than nearly any area in
Atlanta. And the community does quite a bit to ensure the development
is safe -- including placing more than 300 cameras on property, an
Atlanta Police Department precinct on site, uniformed and plain-clothed
law enforcement throughout the community to both assist guests and
maintain peace, emergency call boxes conveniently located throughout,
etc. Those measures have worked to keep incidents quite low.

Brendan

GCI GROUP: changeRULES
w.j. brendan streich | account supervisor | gcigroup atlanta
404.260.3519 (o) | 404.313.5944 (c)
bstreich@gcigroup.com

[jew4life4948]

according to atlantic station's public relations firm, the shooting referenced by the AJC took place "some distance" from atlantic station and had "no connection" to atlantic station.

here's their response:

Bill --

Thanks for your message. As often happens in our local media, incidents
that happen anyway near Atlantic Station get tagged to the community.
In fact, the shooting you referenced below took place some distance from
Atlantic Station and had no connection with Atlantic Station. Per
capita, crime in Atlantic Station is lower than nearly any area in
Atlanta. And the community does quite a bit to ensure the development
is safe -- including placing more than 300 cameras on property, an
Atlanta Police Department precinct on site, uniformed and plain-clothed
law enforcement throughout the community to both assist guests and
maintain peace, emergency call boxes conveniently located throughout,
etc. Those measures have worked to keep incidents quite low.

Brendan

GCI GROUP: changeRULES
w.j. brendan streich | account supervisor | gcigroup atlanta
404.260.3519 (o) | 404.313.5944 (c)
bstreich@gcigroup.com

PR at work.

[jnihiser]

I've got to wonder how many of the people posting about the downfall of Atlantic Station actually spend any time at Atlantic Station...

I live across the bridge (midtown side) on 16th. I buy groceries at Publix, shop at Target, and go the restaurants and movies in the District. I jog around the entire neighborhood day or night, and feel completely comfortable at all times.

Whenever I step out of a movie with my wife at 1 am from Regal, there is never any commotion. Just people hanging out. Eating, drinking, talking, laughing, listening to music.

I never feel unsafe, and my wife feels the same.

Maybe people can rant about the design of Atlantic Station, or the fact that there are 4000 parking spots on the development, or whatever, but the neighborhood is HIGHLY functional. And safe.

Heck, there's an APD substation next to 12.

[kardon]

"Atlantic Station is drawing a bad crowd after-hours, and needs to avoid the same crowds that overran and spoiled the Buckhead village scene."

The thug, rapper wannabee, loiterers, hanging out in the evening are going to sink Atlantic Station faster than the Titanic. The place is great during the day and early evening with a great mix of people but after dark its ghetto! I heard a rumor they are going to start closing the place down at midnight. Is that true?

Are they thugs because the skin on their backs were colored? I hardly see thugs and wannabee rappers. Ive gone to many venues and people were just hanging out...does that make them loiterers? NO! Just because some fool goes and shoot someone, it shouldn't spoil the fun for everyone else. Close at midnight? If you want that type of life...move to Nashville!

[GNofAtlanta]

i don't see how anyone would spend time at AS and then decide to live at The Atlantic which is supposed to be this high-end product.

violence aside, the place has become a low-end mall filled with teenagers. i half expect to see an Orange Julius or Spencer's Gifts.

as noted above, you wonder if some retailers will bail or simply shut down early on fri and sat nights.

Well someone does:

"For example, The Atlantic, a 46-story, 401-unit luxury condominium with average unit prices over $600,000 in the multi-billion-dollar Atlantic Station development, broke ground earlier this year and became the fastest-selling condominium project in Atlanta for the first half of 2007."


http://www.multi-housingnews.com/multihousing/content_display/market-data/e3i3d1e52ce28474b1fc3dc279089df4c18

[smArTaLlone]

I've got to wonder how many of the people posting about the downfall of Atlantic Station actually spend any time at Atlantic Station...

I live across the bridge (midtown side) on 16th. I buy groceries at Publix, shop at Target, and go the restaurants and movies in the District. I jog around the entire neighborhood day or night, and feel completely comfortable at all times.

Whenever I step out of a movie with my wife at 1 am from Regal, there is never any commotion. Just people hanging out. Eating, drinking, talking, laughing, listening to music.

I never feel unsafe, and my wife feels the same.

Maybe people can rant about the design of Atlantic Station, or the fact that there are 4000 parking spots on the development, or whatever, but the neighborhood is HIGHLY functional. And safe.

Heck, there's an APD substation next to 12.

I've been wondering this myself. Whenever I've been there I've seen a mix of all that is Atlanta but to read this thread its 90% teenagers and "thug rappers".

[Behind_Phips]

I've got to wonder how many of the people posting about the downfall of Atlantic Station actually spend any time at Atlantic Station...

I live across the bridge (midtown side) on 16th. I buy groceries at Publix, shop at Target, and go the restaurants and movies in the District. I jog around the entire neighborhood day or night, and feel completely comfortable at all times.

Whenever I step out of a movie with my wife at 1 am from Regal, there is never any commotion. Just people hanging out. Eating, drinking, talking, laughing, listening to music.

I never feel unsafe, and my wife feels the same.

Maybe people can rant about the design of Atlantic Station, or the fact that there are 4000 parking spots on the development, or whatever, but the neighborhood is HIGHLY functional. And safe.

Heck, there's an APD substation next to 12.

Thank You for writing a post from a first person perspective. People on here talk so much crap about AS. I can not believe it. AS has done more for this city minus Lenox Mall, than any other development. People on here bitch that Midtown Mile is only targeting upscale stores and they say residents of Midtown need more moderate priced stores and sundry stores, but say AS is not upscale enough. Listen folks...not everything in Atlanta can be upscale nor should it be. Also, people bitch about the architecture and say it is cheap...well, when you can buy a condo for $250K you are not going to get Trump architecture. Thank you for your post jnihiser, we need people like you that state the fact, not empty opinions.:tup:

[echinatl]

:previous: Why didn't you thank me for my first person perspective as well?

[akiatl261]

I thorougly enjoy going to Atlantic Station. I think the cross section of people who go there truely make it a great environment. Sure architectually it could use a little improvement here or there but that will change in time as it gets older and more things are built. This wholer notion that at 9 oclock that regular people disappear and pooof its crawling with thugs and sketchy people is RIDICULOUS. I think people see people in baggier jeans and baseball caps and automatically think THUG, VIOLENT, CRIMINAL, DANGEROUS and its not true. Im willing to bet that the majority of people who are down there that give people the suburban funny feeling, have and make more money LEGALLY, and solid jobs than the person who judges them.

[MarketsWork]

I suspect you'd lose that bet, akiatl261. While there are exceptions to every rule, reasonable people would observe that the overwhelming majority of people who are successful and law-abiding do not emulate thugs in their leisure time. People tend to emulate their ideals, so it is therefore a stretch to believe that most successful, hard-working and upwardly-mobile young adults would choose to present themselves in the same manner that thuggish violent criminals do. Athletes and entertainers, maybe. But I'm trying real hard to imagine a young manager, banker or attorney -- eager to advance his career with the next promotion -- hanging out on the street, holding up his pants with half his ass showing, and speaking loudly in a profanity-laden, sub-standard dialect. Those are not the people most folks really want to be around.

Perception is reality when it comes to individuals' choices of patronage and association. Atlantic Station is in fierce competition for people's entertainment choices, and much of its current after-work crowd does not contribute to an inviting after-dark entertainment choice for most Atlantans. What you CAN safely bet on is that Atlantic Station's management is concerned about the after-work environment.

[kardon]

I suspect you'd lose that bet, akiatl261. While there are exceptions to every rule, reasonable people would observe that the overwhelming majority of people who are successful and law-abiding do not emulate thugs in their leisure time. People tend to emulate their ideals, so it is therefore a stretch to believe that most successful, hard-working and upwardly-mobile young adults would choose to present themselves in the same manner that thuggish violent criminals do. Athletes and entertainers, maybe. But I'm trying real hard to imagine a young manager, banker or attorney -- eager to advance his career with the next promotion -- hanging out on the street, holding up his pants with half his ass showing, and speaking loudly in a profanity-laden, sub-standard dialect. Those are not the people most folks really want to be around.

Perception is reality when it comes to individuals' choices of patronage and association. Atlantic Station is in fierce competition for people's entertainment choices, and much of its current after-work crowd does not contribute to an inviting after-dark entertainment choice for most Atlantans. What you CAN safely bet on is that Atlantic Station's management is concerned about the after-work environment.

STAY HOME! If its so dangerous...and so many thugs are around...STAY HOME! I go to AS often...and 90% of the time, its at night..going to the movies. People hang out...its great for the city...I enjoy it. If you don't like baggy pants.....MOVE TO MARS! By the way, I see just as many women and men dressed nice... but you only harp on the extreme cases. So tired of you folk on here with these warped point of views. AS environment is safe...but you won't feel safe unless the area was all white...with exception of a few Clarence Thomas colored folk there. I don't hear one single person outside of the forum saying negative things about AS... so, if you don't mind....STAY HOME! (you might get shot at AS...because its so so so dangerous)

[jew4life4948]

STAY HOME! If its so dangerous...and so many thugs are around...STAY HOME! I go to AS often...and 90% of the time, its at night..going to the movies. People hang out...its great for the city...I enjoy it. If you don't like baggy pants.....MOVE TO MARS! By the way, I see just as many women and men dressed nice... but you only harp on the extreme cases. So tired of you folk on here with these warped point of views. AS environment is safe...but you won't feel safe unless the area was all white...with exception of a few Clarence Thomas colored folk there. I don't hear one single person outside of the forum saying negative things about AS... so, if you don't mind....STAY HOME! (you might get shot at AS...because its so so so dangerous)

OK.
SO MOVING ON.

The Fio360 Daycare has leased the 2nd floor above Pier One.
They also plan to have a rooftop playground.

I wonder how accessible those AS roofs are [6 buildings in the district]
I bet the views are spectacular.

And still no visible progress yet on the pedestrian bridge behind Target.

[gttx]

I wonder how accessible those AS roofs are [6 buildings in the district]
I bet the views are spectacular.


Actually, the views are horrible. The structure is built up about 20 feet higher than the roof, so all you can see is the sky above you.

[jew4life4948]

Actually, the views are horrible. The structure is built up about 20 feet higher than the roof, so all you can see is the sky above you.

oh.
that's a buzz kill.
nevermind then.

[atllocal74]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

This might be the first shooting in the actual complex - if that is indeed where it was.

This shooting did not take place at Atlantic Station and it never ceases to amaze me that the AJC can write a story that is not factual. Atlantic Station is not a city, it’s private property but the AJC seems to describe any crime that takes place in the area as Atlantic Station, to sensationalize their stories. I was in Atlantic Station that night as I am every night, and it was very quiet. Is Atlantic Station supposed to police surrounding neighborhoods, Midtown and the Georgia Tech campus. Though I cannot find anything to confirm the exact location of the shooting, I know where the Halloween party was that night and it was on a property that has nothing to do with Atlantic Station.

I was wondering if anyone on this forum knows of an occurrence of a visitor or resident of Atlantic Station ever being assaulted, attacked, robbed, shot etc. at Atlantic Station by a random acquantance(someone who is not a drug dealer or drug dealer’s friend). I’m not saying it hasn’t happened or that there isn’t plenty of crime, I’m just saying I haven’t heard about it, and I’ve lived hear 2 years. I always hear how dangerous the parking garage and Atlantic Station is late at night, but I often walk around the lake after midnight and in the parking deck late at night, and never feel threatened.

[akiatl261]

Marketworks I looked at what you said and I understand your point of view but you have to understand people are different out of work than in work. Anyone can put on a corporate facade from 8-5 but at 5:02pm most people let it go. I consider myself a "reasonable person" and I know that the vast majority of the people you speak of are good people. If people in Atlanta are so scarred and quick to judge people who dress or are different, than we will NEVER achieve the lofty goals we have set for Atlantic station or for Atlanta as a whole. But that is a discussion for a different place. LOL :)

So is there any new news on which other hotel operators will come into Atlantic station? What about the people who have said on here Dillards was going to close is that still going to happen? Any idea as to who will move in to that ratrher large space?

[popewiz]

What do you mean saying Atlantic Station is "private property?" Obviously the buildings are, but it's just another area. There are obviously roads running through Atlantic Station that are public spaces. When the AJC and the media in general talk about "Atlantic Station" it's because people know where it is. Only so many people know where "Home Park" is or any of the other neighborhoods in the are.

[MarketsWork]

What do you mean saying Atlantic Station is "private property?" Obviously the buildings are, but it's just another area. There are obviously roads running through Atlantic Station that are public spaces.

17th Street is a public road, but the streets through "The District" are private property. I first heard about this after a dispute over a horse-drawn carriage operator who was not licensed by the City of Atlanta. When the City officials tried to enforce their ordinance against unlicensed vendors operating on city streets, they were reminded that Atlantic Station's streets are private property and were ordered to leave.

[cessna_210]

Are they thugs because the skin on their backs were colored? I hardly see thugs and wannabee rappers. Ive gone to many venues and people were just hanging out...does that make them loiterers? NO! Just because some fool goes and shoot someone, it shouldn't spoil the fun for everyone else. Close at midnight? If you want that type of life...move to Nashville!

Ok. Here we go Kardon. You want to bring color into it. I have lived in Element smack dab in AS for 1 year now. I have just as many black friends as I do white friends I work with and you know what, my black friends are the ones that say AS is "ghetto" at night. Ghetto is ghetto no matter what color you are. So what do you think about them apples?

[atllocal74]

What do you mean saying Atlantic Station is "private property?" Obviously the buildings are, but it's just another area. There are obviously roads running through Atlantic Station that are public spaces. When the AJC and the media in general talk about "Atlantic Station" it's because people know where it is. Only so many people know where "Home Park" is or any of the other neighborhoods in the are.

The streets in Atlantic Station are private as well. That’s why they are allowed to gate them off every weekend as well as close them for events like Taste of Atlanta. According to what I read in another forum, 17th Street, from the bridge West to the bridge crossing the railroad track near Ikea is also private but will eventually be deeded back to the city.

The point is, the AJC article says a person was shot at Atlantic Station, it does not say in the general area near Atlantic Station. Obviously having a newspaper imply that someone was shot at Atlanic Station may have a more detrimental effect on people willing to come and shop there as opposed to saying there was a shooting nearby Atlantic Station. The title of the article says "Morehouse student Wounded at Atlantic Station" so I find it irresponsible for them to say this if that is not where the shooting took place.

[Terminus]

According to what I read in another forum, 17th Street, from the bridge West to the bridge crossing the railroad track near Ikea is also private but will eventually be deeded back to the city.


Actually 17th Street is public, but it's a State of Georgia Route. Eventually it will be transferred to the City of Atlanta.

[cessna_210]

The private entity that is Atlantic Station needs to sue the pants off of the AJC if thats the case!

[MarketsWork]

Can't do that. To prove libel, you must prove that the editor knew the story was false and then maliciously published the falsehood with the intent to harm -- and that damages resulted. That's a very high bar, and I don't believe anybody thinks the AJC intended to libel Atlantic Station.

[ATLaffinity]

if this story was wrong, then where is the correction?

i would LOVE to see The Atlantic succeed. I just think the AS image is so scattered (with fancy restaurants mixed with crap like Dillards) that it would be hard to sell it as a luxury product.

if people are dropping 1/2 mil+ to live at AS, that's a good sign.

[Barbie22]

I ate there today. They took the space that Houston's occupied on Ashford Dunwoody. The food was better than Houston's and I hear that they may open one at Atlantic Station. Anyone else heard talk on this?

[atllocal74]

if this story was wrong, then where is the correction?

i would LOVE to see The Atlantic succeed. I just think the AS image is so scattered (with fancy restaurants mixed with crap like Dillards) that it would be hard to sell it as a luxury product.

if people are dropping 1/2 mil+ to live at AS, that's a good sign.

Here is another version of the story on the shooting. Notice it's written by the same author who wrote the article about a shooting at Atlantic Station. I wonder if she wrote this one 1st and later decided it would sell more papers if she took out the details of the location and changed it to Atlantic Station.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/shooting_1102.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=13

[whoDean]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

How can that be the same, it says right there that "According to his family, Johnson was attending a Halloween party at the shopping-entertainment complex when he and his friends came upon the arguing couple."

Is it true that AS will start closing at 12:00 on weekends?

[atllocal74]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

How can that be the same, it says right there that "According to his family, Johnson was attending a Halloween party at the shopping-entertainment complex when he and his friends came upon the arguing couple."



It’s obviously the same person. The police officer is quoted as saying they argued inside the club and then he was shot outside the club. The Halloween party was at Club Lit on Bishop street which is not part of Atlantic Station, it’s an industrial street with warehouses near the Railroad tracks. Call it what you want, but to me it’s clear the author intentionally trys to say it happened in Atlantic Station after she already knew it did not, based on the fact that her first story they gives the location.

[Andrea]

Either way it's pretty pathetic when people are carrying guns into nightclubs and, even worse, thinking it's okay to pull it out and shoot somebody because you're having an argument with them.

[MarketsWork]

Agreed, Andrea. Not even a concealed carry permit allows a person to carry a weapon into a nightclub, bar (anyplace where alcohol is sold for consumption on premises), church, political meeting or government building. This guy was a felon as soon as he walked in the door.

[atl2phx]

so, here's the latest on the shooting reported last week. rhonda cook, the AJC reporter who reported both ajc.com stories has been out of the office until yesterday. i just received her response to my inquiry this morning. you'll note her explanation for the two different versions of the report and how they obtained the misinformation that the shooting took place at atlantic station.

clearly, there's always potential for misrepresentation of a story when there's 1) a rush to report, 2) relying on third party sources for data, and 3) inadequate follow up.

my note:

hello rhonda.

i read your brief article about a shooting at atlantic station. do you have any more details? atlantic station is saying the shooting did not actually take place on their proterty as you reported.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/01/morhouseshoot_1102.html

if you can't help me, please let me know who can.


rhonda's response:

That is correct. Initial stories on the internet were based on information from the victim's family since the police were not providing any details. As more details became available we updated the story on ajc.com.

Unfortnately, with the internet playing such a role and pushing us to get out information as fast as possible, some unconfirmed information will be put out there briefly. I hate that this is the case but it seems to just be a fact of life in this age.

I am sorry for the delay. As you know, I was out of the office for several days.

Rhonda Cook
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
404-526-5966
rcook@ajc.com

according to atlantic station's public relations firm, the shooting referenced by the AJC took place "some distance" from atlantic station and had "no connection" to atlantic station.

here's their response:

Bill --

Thanks for your message. As often happens in our local media, incidents
that happen anyway near Atlantic Station get tagged to the community.
In fact, the shooting you referenced below took place some distance from
Atlantic Station and had no connection with Atlantic Station. Per
capita, crime in Atlantic Station is lower than nearly any area in
Atlanta. And the community does quite a bit to ensure the development
is safe -- including placing more than 300 cameras on property, an
Atlanta Police Department precinct on site, uniformed and plain-clothed
law enforcement throughout the community to both assist guests and
maintain peace, emergency call boxes conveniently located throughout,
etc. Those measures have worked to keep incidents quite low.

Brendan

GCI GROUP: changeRULES
w.j. brendan streich | account supervisor | gcigroup atlanta
404.260.3519 (o) | 404.313.5944 (c)
bstreich@gcigroup.com

[ThrashATL]

Either way it's pretty pathetic when people are carrying guns into nightclubs and, even worse, thinking it's okay to pull it out and shoot somebody because you're having an argument with them.

Didn't you know? Thats what makes you a MAN. :rolleyes:

[Andrea]

Didn't you know? Thats what makes you a MAN. :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah, I forgot. :haha:

Actually it makes them pathetic losers, of course. It would be one thing if the shooting aficionados confined their activities to each other but they don’t seem very adept at that. (Reminds me of that old Don Knotts film about “The Shakiest Gun In The West”). But it’s a shame this stuff goes on the heart of midtown Atlanta.

Police release images of WETbar shooter (http://www.sovo.com/2007/11-2/news/localnews/7656.cfm)

[echinatl]

:previous: The article states that a "28 year old gay man was shot" but that's not what my friends that frequent that location tell me. I've heard that it was a group of gay men with 1 straight man. The only one that was hit when the guy started shooting was the straight guy. Knowing that the guy that was shot is ok I couldn't help but laugh :)

I hope they catch that guy :hell:

[gttx]

There are about 1000 things I want to say about that incident, but none of them would lead to any kind of wholesome discussion, to say the least. Hate crimes are normally just depressing to me, because it means that people that idiotic are still around.

[STrek777]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. :haha:

Actually it makes them pathetic losers, of course. It would be one thing if the shooting aficionados confined their activities to each other but they don’t seem very adept at that. (Reminds me of that old Don Knotts film about “The Shakiest Gun In The West”). But it’s a shame this stuff goes on the heart of midtown Atlanta.

Police release images of WETbar shooter (http://www.sovo.com/2007/11-2/news/localnews/7656.cfm)

This hits a very personal cord. I will refrain from saying what I feel like saying as speaking my mind at this time this would only get me into a lot of trouble.

[Fiorenza]

That location was reported as Atlantic Station? Unbelievable. Anyway, this appears to be a hate crime. All segments in Atlanta should maintain solidarity in saying No to hate.

[atlantaguy]

I don't think the hate crime was reported as AS, was it?

It was most certainly a hate crime, the thug was screaming slurs at the group in front of his "date" as they were in the store making a purchase. What a man!

[ThrashATL]

Here's another big man in Denver, CO using a gun to make his argument stick.

http://summitdaily.com/article/20071106/NEWS/111060074

Shot over a comment on jewelry. :koko:

[galaca]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. :haha:

Actually it makes them pathetic losers, of course. It would be one thing if the shooting aficionados confined their activities to each other but they don’t seem very adept at that. (Reminds me of that old Don Knotts film about “The Shakiest Gun In The West”). But it’s a shame this stuff goes on the heart of midtown Atlanta.

Police release images of WETbar shooter (http://www.sovo.com/2007/11-2/news/localnews/7656.cfm)

What does this have to do with Atlantic Station? WETbar is nowhere near :sly:

[echinatl]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. :haha:

Actually it makes them pathetic losers, of course. It would be one thing if the shooting aficionados confined their activities to each other but they don’t seem very adept at that. (Reminds me of that old Don Knotts film about “The Shakiest Gun In The West”). But it’s a shame this stuff goes on the heart of midtown Atlanta.

I think he was trying to say it happens in other areas as well.

[whoDean]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwtHuCa1Jo)

[ThrashATL]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwtHuCa1Jo)

Could you imagine living above all that noise???

[CityFan]

Could you imagine living above all that noise???
Where were those COPS hiding? It looked a very scary place... No wonder people call it getto.

[Behind_Phips]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwtHuCa1Jo)

That is so unacceptable.

[cessna_210]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwtHuCa1Jo)

WTF!!!

[echinatl]

Careful everyone I said something similar and was basically called a racist!

[galaca]

Ahh. For a myriad of reasons I'm SOOOO glad I don't have to be in Atlanta more than a couple weeks a year.

And they have everything to do with idiotic, overblown reactions.

[STrek777]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwtHuCa1Jo)

As long as the theatre is the only real draw for this crowd then AS should be fine over time. The area has much more room to expand and a few thousand more high end residence towers will really help diversify the crowd. Until then my friends and I will continue to avoid AS after dark like the plague.

As long as not a single club opens up from the connector to Northside dr and the RR tracks to 16th street then AS should be fine. However, if you give a mouse a cookie... don't complain when it wants a glass of milk. One club. If just one club opens then a competing club will want to open and then another and another. The next thing you know you will see AS become the next "old Streets of Buckhead" type area.

So many people have worked so hard to create this area. It may not be perfect but it is a hell of a lot nicer than the steel mill that was one there. I really have high hopes for this development and I don't want to see it pulled down by hoodlums before it even has a chance to take root.

[STrek777]

Careful everyone I said something similar and was basically called a racist!

It's a right of passage here. Congratulations you made it to the other side! :)

[STrek777]

It's a right of passage here. Congratulations you made it to the other side! :)

Who do you suppose will get it this time? I agree with you. This subject has come up here before and the "racist" card gets fired off more than a thugs gun. Several people have commented so now that you bring it up I am very curious who gets it.

My money is always on Fiorenza. He has sat quet this whole time and I bet he still gats blamed for something. Come to think of it I bet Fiorenza is the only person to have something he said taken completely out of context blown out of proportion and used against him to try and convict him as a racist on nearly every single Atlanta Thread. Sorry oh boy.

[sprtsluvr8]

The video looked to me like people having a good time, probably drinking, definitely loud, but still a good time. It's foot traffic and very busy, isn't that what we want our city to be? I'm not gonna call anyone racist, but I think a white crowd with similar partying/noise would have garnered a slightly different reaction...

[WSUSOM]

I've watched the above video three times and still can't find a reason for all the alarm. To me it looks like any night on miami beach or any other party city. Again what's the big deal. If Atlanta continues to have this attitude toward people having a good time the young and educated work force we all bragg about will begin to fade away. I can tell you as a city( at least among the young professionals I speak to) we're beginning to get a rep for a city that is anti-fun.

[Andrea]

I've watched the above video three times and still can't find a reason for all the alarm. To me it looks like any night on miami beach or any other party city. Again what's the big deal. If Atlanta continues to have this attitude toward people having a good time the young and educated work force we all bragg about will begin to fade away. I can tell you as a city( at least among the young professionals I speak to) is beginning to get a rep for a city that is anti-fun.

I have to agree with WSUSOM. I don't know whether these are educated young professionals but it looks like no more than some high-spirited folks out enjoying themselves. Many parts of town have dealt with far more commotion than this for years. And old fogeys have been hollering at young people to quit making so much noise since time immemorial. Personally it doesn't bother me to see some kids blowing off a little steam at Atlantic Station.

[Andrea]

What does this have to do with Atlantic Station? WETbar is nowhere near :sly:

Sorry, galaca, I certainly didn't mean to imply this happened at Atlantic Station. I was just following the general line of discussion about people who are now running around with guns and taking potshots at Atlantans whenever the mood strikes them.

[ThrashATL]

I've watched the above video three times and still can't find a reason for all the alarm. To me it looks like any night on miami beach or any other party city. Again what's the big deal. If Atlanta continues to have this attitude toward people having a good time the young and educated work force we all bragg about will begin to fade away. I can tell you as a city( at least among the young professionals I speak to) we're beginning to get a rep for a city that is anti-fun.

That's fine in Buckhead but AS is ALSO a residential area and this video shows ZERO respect for residents living there.

[Neosoul]

It wasn't fine in Buckhead either...residents complained and now the Buckhead Village is being completely changed (a good thing in my opinion). My point is I also agree with WSUSOM. If we want active street life in Atlanta, we have to concede that sometimes it's gonna get noisy.

[jew4life4948]

Just for kicks.
anyone who lives on, or near 16th street can tell you about the 'street racing' that goes on late at night.

i can only imagine the implications of a speed bump.

[echinatl]

More young professionals just hanging out at Atlantic Station!:haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjoZG2fSQU

[ATLaffinity]

If Atlanta continues to have this attitude toward people having a good time the young and educated work force we all bragg about will begin to fade away. I can tell you as a city( at least among the young professionals I speak to) we're beginning to get a rep for a city that is anti-fun.

i don't think the people in this video are a part of the "creative class" that Atlanta brags about.:cool:

and it's not like the cops wouldn't be called on anyone of any race for banging on a street lamp in the middle of the night.

AS is filled with teenage loiterers. Are they bad people? No. Is it a good combination? No.

[Behind_Phips]

The video looked to me like people having a good time, probably drinking, definitely loud, but still a good time. It's foot traffic and very busy, isn't that what we want our city to be? I'm not gonna call anyone racist, but I think a white crowd with similar partying/noise would have garnered a slightly different reaction...

sprtsluvr8, First I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. AS is not an entertainment bar district. It is a neighborhood first and foremost, and second, a retail area. None of which would allow crowds acting out like that. Imagine that commotion at Lennox. They would have called the police in a heartbeat. That crowd was acting unacceptable regardless of their ethnic persuasion. I guarantee if the police are their for one month in heavy numbers, you will not see this happen again. :whip:

[Fiorenza]

Let me see if I can get away with saying this. The loitering at AS is no different than the loitering in a suburban mall...except for two things: most suburban malls close around 9 whereas AS is "open" all night; and the age factor at AS seems to be twenty-somethings more than teenagers, meaning that blood alcohol is probably a contributor at AS, at least for those who can obtain it. This is not a healthy situation. Management needs to move to close the area at an earlier hour. However, as others here know, I'm no fan of AS management, because I don't think they've demonstrated a track record of making sound decisions. Maybe faced with loss of lease value they will act.

On a related topic, do we know if the residential loft spaces above the retail are sold/occupied? I think someone had mentioned that it was decided to leave the above ground floor space empty because of potential liability due to burst water pipes causing damage to retail tenants, or the fear of class action lawsuits from the residents based on excessive late night high-decibel noise etc. I'm planning to go there on Saturday with a friend to investigate, as well as see for myself "what's going on", but would meanwhile appreciate any background on offer. I'll try to get some snaps if anything interesting presents itself.

[Toxostoma Rufum]

Wild loitering around AS is a lot more fun than reading this board.

I'm originally from Boston, and white guys (like me) act like this around Kenmore and Central Square all the time. The police take care of it, and it's no big deal. Seriously bad things will happen, but most people have a good old time. Y'all should move to Valdosta or Hawkinsville or Lagrange if you can't take the excitement.

Atlanta is a major city, not a precious corporate suburb with tall buildings as most people on this board want it to be. I've seen this kind of supposedly threatening "behavior" as captured this video when I've lived in Munich, London, Boston, Toronto...get over yourselves, folks.

Let me know when you start posting links to videos of white kids and adults acting poorly at college football games.

[Fiorenza]

A retail and residential area is not equivalent to a football game. I know people behave badly in other places and locations, but that's no excuse. Believe me, I've experienced white thugs as well as the black ones. They're equally obnoxious and threatening.

[Toxostoma Rufum]

Agreed. I don't like to see anyone acting poorly anywhere. I'm just trying to put things into perspective. Middle to upper class whites (again, like me) have their events and places in which to act poorly so they ought not to be surprised that all kinds of people like to let it rip as well.

AS needs to come to terms with the fact that it is an area designed for alcohol consumption, as you rightfully pointed out. It's not kid mallrats, it's young adults who drink/take drugs that visit AS. Fair enough. More responsibility needs to be taken by the various owners in AS over their patrons.

[Fiorenza]

A certain image, decorum, and ambience is needed to attract the value customers and diners, which was the idea of spending the money to develop the project. I don't even think events like Taste of Atlanta or Cirque du Soleil are advisable on the premises. Entertainment venues don't mix in with retail and residential, at least not most places. Jacoby is not correctly managing their investment. Maybe young people need go somewhere to "act out". Maybe Underground is no longer cool for them. All I know is, if I'm an mid-scale or upscale retailer or restaurant, or residential, I would flee from any place with such behavior. I'd say the ball is in Jacoby's court.

[Behind_Phips]

A certain image, decorum, and ambience is needed to attract the value customers and diners, which was the idea of spending the money to develop the project. I don't even think events like Taste of Atlanta or Cirque du Soleil are advisable on the premises. Entertainment venues don't mix in with retail and residential, at least not most places. Jacoby is not correctly managing their investment. Maybe young people need go somewhere to "act out". Maybe Underground is no longer cool for them. All I know is, if I'm an mid-scale or upscale retailer or restaurant, or residential, I would flee from any place with such behavior. I'd say the ball is in Jacoby's court.

No, the problem is with the City of Atlanta and more specifically the Police Department. The city is on the hook for several million dollars in bonds that Jacoby had them underwrite to make the project feasible. He can declare bankruptcy, but Atlanta can't.

[ThrashATL]

When a few of these parties on the streets get out of hand and there's a shooting and major property damage or something, the place will go downhill fast. I already avoid AS because of the lack of anything worthwhile to do there.

[Toxostoma Rufum]

A certain image, decorum, and ambience is needed to attract the value customers and diners, which was the idea of spending the money to develop the project. I don't even think events like Taste of Atlanta or Cirque du Soleil are advisable on the premises. Entertainment venues don't mix in with retail and residential, at least not most places. Jacoby is not correctly managing their investment. Maybe young people need go somewhere to "act out". Maybe Underground is no longer cool for them. All I know is, if I'm an mid-scale or upscale retailer or restaurant, or residential, I would flee from any place with such behavior. I'd say the ball is in Jacoby's court.

Again with the precious vertical suburb mentality.

Seriously, what do you do for fun? Oh that's right, pontificate on a skyscraper message board.

See y'all at AS, cowering from the scary people that don't speak with their indoor voices.

[atl2phx]

Again with the precious vertical suburb mentality.

Seriously, what do you do for fun? Oh that's right, pontificate on a skyscraper message board.

See y'all at AS, cowering from the scary people that don't speak with their indoor voices.

unfortunately, that suburban mentality is rampant in atlanta. my favorite example was having a couple sitting behind me and a few buddies at a thrashers game some time back - halfway through the 2nd period they asked us to be 'quiet down' and 'stay seated' as we were "ruining their hockey experience". you can only imagine.

[MarketsWork]

Again with the precious vertical suburb mentality.

Seriously, what do you do for fun? Oh that's right, pontificate on a skyscraper message board.

See y'all at AS, cowering from the scary people that don't speak with their indoor voices.

I would argue that good manners are even more vitally important to urban society than to rural and suburban communities. Without the greater spaces and distances to buffer people from their neighbors' idiosyncrasies and even antisocial behaviors, more give and take is necessary to keep the peace and to make the city a friendly and inviting place for as many people as possible. This idea is not a "suburban mentality;" it is the recipe that has made urban civilization possible for thousands of years.

There is truly nothing new under the sun, and I believe it would shortsighted to reject all accumulated wisdom out of hand. What might seem acceptable in one's youth might look a whole lot different in a position of greater responsibility, such as the parenting of children or the burden of business success or of public office. Should there be some understanding and allowances for differences in cultural behavior? Yes -- that's part of the necessary give and take. But unless a community like Atlantic Station (or Buckhead...) curtails the kinds of behavior which larger society deems to be threatening or even excessively rude, many patrons will vote with their feet and patronize a more desirable place. It doesn't matter whether someone else believes such thinking "suburban" or neanderthal; those are their individual choices, and they will take their dollars wherever they choose.

Atlantic Station was not built for urban squatters to hang out and act anyway they want to. It was built with a lot of private money seeking profit from what is hoped to be a thriving community of offices, retail businesses and full-time residents. Those who merely hang out at night are not paying the freight, and great care must be taken to ensure that night-time visitors do not create an atmosphere that hinders the perceptions of current and potential residents and businesses. In a competitive market with all the choices Atlanta offers, perception is reality. And the perceptions of paying customers are the ones that matter.

[cessna_210]

I have to agree with WSUSOM. I don't know whether these are educated young professionals but it looks like no more than some high-spirited folks out enjoying themselves. Many parts of town have dealt with far more commotion than this for years. And old fogeys have been hollering at young people to quit making so much noise since time immemorial. Personally it doesn't bother me to see some kids blowing off a little steam at Atlantic Station.

Are you freakin kidding me? So you think banging on and vandalizing property of Atlantic Station, yelling and screaming, thus having no respect for others in the area is acceptable behavior of young professionals trying to blow off steam and enjoying themselves? Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard! Has anyones mother ever asked them the question when they were a kid and they were acting like a wild animal "Straighten up, were you born in a barn? " I know mine did, when I was like 12.:koko:

[Andrea]

Are you freakin kidding me? So you think banging on and vandalizing property of Atlantic Station, yelling and screaming, thus having no respect for others in the area is acceptable behavior of young professionals trying to blow off steam and enjoying themselves? Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard! Has anyones mother ever asked them the question when they were a kid and they were acting like a wild animal "Straighten up, were you born in a barn? " I know mine did, when I was like 12.:koko:

I said I personally didn't mind them doing it at Atlantic Station.

[ATLaffinity]

I don't even think events like Taste of Atlanta or Cirque du Soleil are advisable on the premises.

you lost me at Cirque du Soleil. :shrug:

that's great for AS and Atlanta.