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yayoo
Dec 18, 2006, 11:29 AM
Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) --

Alstom SA's TGV train will attempt to set a new rail-speed record of 550 kilometers an hour (342 mph) in coming months using upgraded technology and a faster, straighter line in eastern France.

Alstom and state rail operator Societe Nationale des Chemins de Fer, or SNCF, will seek to extend the TGV's existing record of 515.3 kph on a newly built stretch of track, Philippe Mellier, head of Alstom's transport unit, said in an interview.

``All the elements are in place and we're ready for the challenge,'' Mellier said. ``The line is ready and we have the technology.'' The bid, to be made in February or March, will be announced Monday by French Transport Minister Dominique Perben.

Alstom, the world's second-biggest train maker, has been building the TGV, or Train a Grande Vitesse, for 25 years and set the existing record in 1990. Merrier said that the upgraded train may even reach 570 kph with the help of technology developed for the company's new AGV regional train fleet.

Alstom, which also builds power stations, recorded its first annual profit since 2001 in the 12 months through March after railway operators and utilities placed orders to refurbish older equipment and install new gear.

Next year's record attempt will feature a five-carriage TGV set assembled at Alstom's plant in La Rochelle. The train will draw on 24,000 horsepower from two motorized cars and run on track built by rail-network owner Reseau Ferre de France.

The company has about 450 TGV trains in service in France and overseas markets including Spain and South Korea. The train also runs on the Thalys network operating between France and Belgium, Holland and Germany and is used in modified form for the Eurostar between London, Paris and Brussels.

Shares of Alstom rose 1.8 percent to 98.65 euros today. The stock has surged 103 percent this year, giving a market value of 13.6 billion euros ($18 billion).



Some people speak of 550kph, some other hope 600kph. But rail fans in France (just like me :p) hope that the targeted speed will be 600kph. Alstom and SNCF said that 550kph will be enough but we all think that will try to make better just like in 1990! Tha aim of that record is to test the tgv at high speed ( > 500pkh) but over a "long" distance ( > 70 miles).


A few more news about TGV est européen:


Direct TGV Connections for 37 Million Europeans

Serving around forty destinations, from Strasbourg to Bordeaux, Rennes or Lille; from Paris to Luxembourg, Metz, Nancy, Frankfurt or Zurich, in 2007 the TGV EST EUROPEEN will offer a new proximity to 37 million French and European customers.

Paris and some twenty cities of Eastern France will be directly connected via TGV and on most of the destinations the customers will enjoy a journey shorter by at least a third of the actual duration.

Paris will only be 2h20 away from Strasbourg, 1h30 away from Nancy or Metz, 45 minutes away from Reims. And with the good network of regional and local transport (TER, Bus, Tramway), inhabitants of these regions will benefit from the arrival of the TGV.

TGV EST EUROPEEN will also connect Paris directly with about 10 destinations in Germany, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

Besides the connections between Paris and Eastern France, TGV EST EUROPEEN will offer new opportunities of travel with direct TGV connections via Strasbourg and 3 new Stations between Eastern France on one hand and Ile-de-France, Northern, Western and South-Western France on the other hand.

3 New Stations will be built on the outskirts of 3 cities. Champagne-Ardennes TGV station will be situated 5 km from Reims, Lorraine TGV station between Metz and Nancy and Meuse TGV station about thirty km from Verdun and Bar-le-Duc. These modern and comfortable New Stations will be easily accessible by individual and public transport.

The new TGV Est Network : Paris- Strasbourg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4403/tgvesttrainroutesbq0.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/910/tgvpos2kl6.jpg

Fabb
Dec 18, 2006, 7:49 PM
The rumours I heard was 540 km/h next April.

yayoo
Dec 19, 2006, 8:20 AM
Yesterday on the evening news, Dominique Perben said they would like to reach a speed between 550 and 570 kph. But he also explained that if 600kph is technically possible, it is not their main aim (which is not to reach an impressive speed, but to keep a very high speed on a long distance).

tayser
Dec 19, 2006, 9:17 AM
long live SNCF.

yayoo
Dec 19, 2006, 11:00 AM
Breaking news :banana:

Paris - France's high-speed TGV train - already the fastest in the world - is to try to break its own record by hitting speeds above 540km per hour, its constructors said on Monday.

One of the prides of French engineering, the superfast train a grande vitesse (TGV) set the current world rail record of 515.3km per hour, in test conditions, in 1990.

The new speed trial will be carried out in early April on the brand new TGV line connecting Paris to the eastern city of Strasbourg, which is set to open in June 2007.

According to the French engineering giant Alstom, which builds the TGV, the train is hoped to hit speeds of 550-570km per hour.

Currently, average travelling speeds for the TGV are around 300km per hour, but trains on the latest-generation Paris-Strasbourg line are to run slightly faster at 320km per hour.

The tests will nonetheless take rail travel almost up to commercial aircraft speeds. In the medium term, SNCF hopes to upgrade all its high-speed lines to 320kph, possibly 360kph (224mph), for ordinary service trains.

The record attempt will also make a strong statement that France is ready to take on competition from Japan and Germany in the multibillion-pound market for high-speed trains.

Jared
Dec 19, 2006, 10:20 PM
The experimental maglev in Japan clocked 581km/h, IIRC, so I'm not sure what they're celebrating.

The Chemist
Dec 19, 2006, 10:39 PM
The experimental maglev in Japan clocked 581km/h, IIRC, so I'm not sure what they're celebrating.

This is for fastest speed on rails, so Maglevs don't count. Everybody knows they're faster than trains that run on rails.

WonderlandPark
Dec 20, 2006, 4:08 AM
The above map doesn't show it, but SNCF wants to run TGV service from the Avignon down through Perpignon into Spain and on to Barcelona. That will be sweet, RENFE generally sucks and it would be great if the French ran that line to BCN.

Fabb
Dec 20, 2006, 11:37 AM
Breaking news :banana:

Paris - France's high-speed TGV train - already the fastest in the world - is to try to break its own record by hitting speeds above 540km per hour, its constructors said on Monday.

It's never good to celebrate beforehand.

yayoo
Dec 20, 2006, 12:30 PM
Yep you're right, but I don't see how it could be possible to fail in this new try.
Network infrastructure and tgv technology have so evolved in the last 16 years that I think breaking the old record won't be really hard :)

Fabb
Dec 20, 2006, 4:50 PM
Network infrastructure and tgv technology have so evolved in the last 16 years that I think breaking the old record won't be really hard :)

What kind of TGV will they use ? Will they try a prototype ?

Grumpy
Apr 10, 2008, 11:50 AM
We all know what happened last year but I would like to know if the maximum commercial speed of 320km/h the fastest ?

Fabb
Apr 10, 2008, 7:31 PM
We all know what happened last year but I would like to know if the maximum commercial speed of 320km/h the fastest ?

TGV-Est runs at that speed.
No hope for an increase in the near future. The SNCF ruled that out last year.

Gava
Apr 10, 2008, 7:47 PM
I think it is a matter of installing ERTMS level 2 if they want to run trains at 350-360km/h

Grumpy
Apr 10, 2008, 7:51 PM
I think it is a matter of installing ERTMS level 2 if they want to run trains at 350-360km/h

Isn't this the speed of HS lines in Spain ?
In Germany there is still a discussion to go faster or not at this moment.

How fast do run HST in other European countries?
I know in Belgium & the Netherlands it is 300km/h

elfabyanos
Apr 12, 2008, 10:39 AM
350km/h will arrive in Spain once they sort out signalling issues - the top speed of the Madrid - Barcelona line is limited to only 300 or 320 km/h.

Maximum speed 300km/h in Germany, Italy, Belgium and the UK (soon also the Netherlands)



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