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JACKinBeantown
Dec 19, 2006, 1:50 PM
Finally...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/nyregion/19transit.html


After decades of planning and dreaming by officials, two major expansions of the city’s mass transit system took important steps forward yesterday, with the federal government promising to pay billions of dollars for a Long Island Rail Road connection to Grand Central Terminal and for a Second Avenue subway.

Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters said final approval had been granted to allow $2.6 billion in federal funds to be spent on construction of the Long Island Rail Road link, which will give commuters on the railroad a direct ride to the east side of Manhattan. Speaking at a news conference in the main hall of Grand Central, she said it was the most money the federal government had ever committed to a mass transit project.

She said her department had also approved $693 million for the new subway on Second Avenue. In both cases, the federal money is only a portion of the total costs.

Work in Queens on the Long Island Rail Road project has already begun, and the Second Avenue work is to begin next year. Both projects are to be finished in 2013, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said.

The Long Island Rail Road project, known as East Side Access, will create a new spur from the railroad’s main line at Sunnyside that will terminate at Grand Central. In the future passengers will be able to choose between trains that go either to Grand Central or to Pennsylvania Station.

The project involves digging new tunnels in Manhattan and Queens that would connect to an existing rail tunnel under the East River, at 63rd Street. In Queens the tunnels would link up with the Long Island Rail Road tracks. Beneath Manhattan, the tunnels would head across town, turn south at Park Avenue and end about 150 feet below Grand Central, at a vast new underground concourse carved out of the rock.

Currently, the only Manhattan stop for the Long Island Rail Road is at Pennsylvania Station, on the West Side, though the railroad estimates that about half the 106,000 riders who arrive at Penn Station each morning are actually headed to the East Side. The new terminal would cut those riders’ daily commute by a total of about 40 minutes, officials said.

Officials say the East Side Access will also increase service and ease crowding on the Long Island Rail Road. By lowering the railroad’s use of tracks at Pennsylvania Station, it would reduce backups for other Long Island riders and also for Amtrak and New Jersey Transit commuters who use the station.

Planning for an East Side stop dates back at least to the mid-1960s. The 63rd Street tunnel under the East River was completed in the mid-1970s, but by then the city’s fiscal crisis had interrupted expansion plans. The double-decker tunnel has an upper set of tracks for subway trains — the F train currently uses them. A lower set of tracks in the tunnel were intended for the Long Island Rail Road but have never been used.

Plans for a subway line on Second Avenue go back even further. The transportation authority plans to build the subway in stages, with the first section running from 96th Street to 63rd Street, where it will connect with the existing tracks for the N, R and W lines.

Gaining federal funding of this magnitude is a lengthy process, often accompanied at incremental stages by announcements by eager public officials. But in the case of the Long Island rail project, yesterday’s event, at which Ms. Peters and Gov. George E. Pataki signed a ceremonial letter of agreement, was the final approval.

Known as a full funding grant agreement, it reflects a commitment by the federal government to pay a specific amount, in installments, over the life of the project.

In contrast, the Second Avenue subway project is said to be some months short of such a binding commitment. In saying that her department had approved $693 million for the subway, Ms. Peters meant that she would ask Congress to appropriate that amount as a kind of down payment, so that work can begin.

Ultimately, the federal government expects to invest a total of $1.3 billion in the subway project. James S. Simpson, the administrator of the Federal Transit Administration, said his agency was confident that final approval for the full amount would come through.

The Long Island rail connector has a total budget of $6.3 billion. A majority of the $3.7 billion not supplied by the federal government will be raised through the sale of bonds by the authority and the state.

The Second Avenue project has an estimated cost of $3.8 billion. There, too, most of the $2.5 billion not covered by federal funds will be raised through borrowing.

Yesterday’s event drew a gaggle of politicians and transportation officials.

Peter S. Kalikow, the chairman of the transportation authority, called it “an event that started in 1968,” a reference to the early days of planning for the Long Island Rail Road connection.

MayorOfChicago
Dec 19, 2006, 2:59 PM
Can I see a map? This is awesome news, and I know where it's located to a degree, but I loves me some nice maps.

Downtown Bolivar
Dec 19, 2006, 3:40 PM
Great announcement for NYC. New transportation links will help to continue economic growth not only in Manhattan, but throughout the region.

JACKinBeantown
Dec 19, 2006, 5:53 PM
Check out Wikipedia's page on it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway

Mad_Nick
Dec 19, 2006, 8:54 PM
and the Second Avenue work is to begin next year
They've been saying this for a couple of years now, it's always "will begin next year" or "will begin later this year" depending on if the statement is being made at the beginning or end of the year. Is it for real this time?

J. Will
Dec 19, 2006, 11:37 PM
So will the GCS stop just be a new stop on the existing tracks (does it go under GCS currently?).

The 2nd Ave. line is long overdue. It's just too far of a walk from the East River to the current subway considering the density, and the only real transit now to get there is buses.

pdxstreetcar
Dec 20, 2006, 1:07 AM
The Lexington Avenue Subway line alone carries more people than the second largest subway system in the country (DC Metro: ~700,000/day). The Lex moves ~1.2 million/day.

I believe construction begins Spring 2007

LostInTheZone
Dec 20, 2006, 1:17 AM
^yes, and it leads to overcrowding on the line as well.

LIRR to Grand Central is a bit more complicated than that:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Mta-sunnyside.jpg

most of the work is done, all that remains is to extend the 63rd street tunnel under Park Ave to Grand Central.

Mad_Nick
Dec 20, 2006, 1:31 AM
So will the GCS stop just be a new stop on the existing tracks (does it go under GCS currently?).

No the current tracks are in the tunnels at 33rd street to get to Penn Station, they don't go anywhere near Grand Central.
The new tracks will use an unused level of an existing subway tunnel. (the double-decker tunnel was built specifically with the LIRR in mind for the lower level) and the LIRR won't stop at the current GCT tracks, but at a new station a few hundred feet below Grand Central.

This will increase the capacity to Manhattan, increasing the number of tracks from 4 to 6 (3 inbound, 3 outbound)

They really need to finish the SAS in time for the opening of the GCT LIRR station, as it will crowd even more commuters on to the Lexington.

pdxstreetcar
Dec 20, 2006, 2:08 AM
The Municipal Arts Society had an exhibit recently pushing for connecting Penn Station & Grand Central and operating the commuter trains as run-though trains like such as from New Haven thru NYC to Newark, much like the suburban trains in Philadelphia since the 1980s.

passdoubt
Dec 22, 2006, 2:52 AM
Who would administer such runs, the Port Authority? The SEPTA regional rails in Philly only run in PA (and DE, which doesn't have commuter rail). Would it be so easy to do a Newark-NYC-New Haven run, when you're talking about multiple transit agencies?

Mad_Nick
Dec 22, 2006, 4:31 AM
^ That's the main problem with through services in New York, politics. The area is split up among two major agencies, the MTA and NJT, and getting them to agree on anything is hard, and getting them to agree to through running of trains would be next to impossible.

Through service would increase the capacity of Penn Station by allowing the trains to treat the station as any other stop rather than having to occupy valuable platform or yard space. It would also increase service for reverse commuters.

Currently New Haven trains could be routed to pretty much any part of the electrified NJ Transit network (and vice versa), but LIRR trains use third rail and are incompatible with the NJT catenaries, so they would have to be modified. (like the New Haven trains, which can use both third rail and catenary)

The Hudson line could run trains through to the LIRR, provided Amtrak's west side tracks were electrified, and provided that trains could be modified to switch from underrunning(MNR) to overrunning(LIRR) third rail while in operation. This one would be easier to accomplish politically as the two are both MTA.

JMGarcia
Dec 22, 2006, 5:16 PM
The unions for NJT and the MTA are also blocking the idea of thru-service. Its pretty hopeless really that we'll ever see something like that.