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mobyhead
01-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Interesting indeed.....

http://chicago.ibj.com/repository/ibj/2007/01/01/1/Img/Pc0010400.jpg
Circle Arch slide
Stainless steel gateway could cost $10M
Sat, Dec 30 - 2006
Jennifer Whitson
IBJ staff

The original design for a monument on the city’s near-northwest side could still be altered.
The Arch welcomes visitors to St. Louis. San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge ushers in the masses. And soon the Circle Gateway Truss could greet travelers entering downtown Indianapolis.

If organizers’ vision becomes reality, a 280-foot stainless steel monument will straddle West Street at 11th Street just south of Interstates 65 and 70. Its three circles, woven together with steel trusses, will be lit at night—their normal soft glow giving way to bright colors on special occasions.

At least that’s the concept behind the design chosen to kick off a privately funded effort aimed at improving the city’s major entryways.

The monument, which is expected to cost up to $10 million and likely will take years to complete, is intended to be a city landmark. And it could help enhance Indianapolis’ reputation for having a vibrant and artistic downtown.

“It’s important to create a city that inspires people,” said Brian Payne, president of the Central Indiana Community Foundation, which isn’t directly involved with the gateway project. “It symbolizes that we are a creative city that cares about [having] a sense of place.”

Plans call for the Circle Gateway to stand about as high as Indianapolis’ other icon, the Soldiers and Sailors Monument on the Circle. And it would be more visible than the $12 million Artsgarden, a landmark public space suspended over Illinois and Washington streets and connected to Circle Centre mall.

A 15-member panel comprising business and community leaders chose the winning design last month. The proposal from Indianapolis-based Kevin K. Parsons & Associates Inc.—which got help from Greg Hull, associate professor of sculpture at the Herron School of Art & Design at IUPUI—topped four others.

Even so, the design could still be tweaked as it moves from the drawing board to the construction site.

One panelist suggested making the trusses resemble the double helix of a strand of DNA, all the better to highlight the area’s strength in the life sciences.

“I hope it’s modified to reflect the fact that we really do have a very diverse neighborhood with strength in education, medicine and history,” said Dorothy Jones, president of BOS Community Development Corp., which works in the near-northwest side.

How to pick an icon

Rotary Club of Indianapolis has taken the lead on the project since 2004, when it joined forces with city leaders to find ways to improve Indianapolis’ entryways and corridors. In mid-2005, a mayoral work group identified 15 spots ripe for large gateway monuments or corridor projects.

Project proponents set up a Web site to inspire neighborhoods to start their own gateway projects, but focused on 11th and West streets as the most feasible first step.

The area seemed like a good fit for a large, attention-getting structure, said Carole Darst, chairwoman of the Rotary Gateways Partnership. And it didn’t hurt that much of the land at the site is city- or state-owned.

Also, the neighborhood has an active base of interest groups and development momentum, in part due to Indiana Avenue’s emergence as a recognized cultural district and an early-2006 plan to rejuvenate the neighborhood.

With a site selected, Rotary put out a call for proposals, drawing ideas from 15 groups. Five of the most promising received $7,500 this spring to flesh out their designs.

Finalists’ proposals ranged from a horizontal, tunnel-like structure to a 120-foot statue of a person walking. Another featured twin skeletal steel towers lit with a blue hue. All five were posted on a Web site, featured at cultural events and the subject of public hearings.

The winning design caught the feel of Indianapolis, panelists said.


Parsons

“It’s a direct symbolic tie to the Circle City,” said Jones, the BOS Community Development Corp. president. “A circle also symbolizes unity and a willingness to work together for the common good.”

That’s the idea, said Kevin K. Parsons, president of Kevin K. Parsons & Associates.

“Few cities in the world have a circle at the core,” he said. “This is truly the Circle City. Why not celebrate it?”

And the shape of the monument, which Parsons said will be visible from most of downtown, also reminds him of another local claim to fame—the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

“This will say: ‘This is Indianapolis. You’ve arrived,’” he said.

What comes next

Parsons & Associates’ pitch includes many phases of work to revamp the entire area around the monument. Plans even call for Clarian’s Peoplemover to dart through the monument’s base while making its rounds.

Later phases would involve rerouting area traffic flow, including revamping the I-65/I-70 interchange, adding roundabouts at 12th and 16th streets and extending the canal by adding a pond that stretches up to 16th Street. New park areas, walking paths and an observation deck where pedestrians could view the monument also are planned.

Of course, getting that far would require buy-in—not to mention funding—from the Indiana Department of Transportation and the city of Indianapolis.

But for now, the priority is the circle.

Plans call for the monument to be lined with LED lights that allow it to be lit–-

subtly or brightly—in an array of colors. The designer hopes to link the lights to a public Web page to up the interactive ante. People could log on to change the colors and then watch it happen via a Web cam.

There’s plenty of work to be done before any steel tubes or lights go up, though. Rotary’s Darst said she expects construction to begin no sooner than the end of this year.

One task, she said, will be to take the design to the public and solicit input on any changes. Raising money to pay for the project is another priority.

Organizers have talked with area entities like Clarian Health Partners, Veolia Water Indianapolis and Citizens Gas about the project. Now they must convince them and others that the project is worth investing in.

Their pitch: the Circle Gateway could do wonders for the city’s national identity—think of the so-called “beauty” shots shown during National Football League games or the view travelers get as they pass through the Crossroads of America.

St. Louis has certainly gotten mileage from its signature Gateway Arch. Finished in 1965 as a monument to western pioneers, the Arch cost $13 million and was funded almost entirely by city and federal government.



No such luck for Indianapolis' gateway.

The circle project will be paid for without any public money, and Rotary also wants to raise funds to set up a not-for-profit trust that would manage the monument.

So far, the service organization has raised and spent $58,000 on the design competition. Now it’s hoping to raise about $10 million more. Exact costs will vary depending on the final design, Darst said, and that amount could be enough to build the monument and a portion of the viewing platform.

CICF’s Payne, who has helped raise money for the $50 million Indianapolis Cultural Trail project, said soliciting $10 million in one year is an aggressive but attainable goal. The cultural trail got a boost in its efforts when local philanthropists Gene and Marilyn Glick gave $15 million, a turning point Payne said spurred several other donors to jump in.

“They would need to find one major donor who will put up $3 to $5 million to set the tone,” Payne said. “It shows other donors that this is going to happen and you could be part of something really exciting.” •

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=209

rrskylar
01-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Would look closer to this: (than anything in St. Louis);)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Watts-towers.jpg/495px-Watts-towers.jpg

Paintrain
01-02-2007, 05:32 PM
it looks interesting a lot of new stuff happening in indy

Hayward
01-02-2007, 09:12 PM
Looks like a carnival ride. I'm sure that's not the message Indy wants to send.

Cleveland Brown
01-03-2007, 01:02 AM
My God, it looks like the midwest's asshole :haha:

Hysteria
01-03-2007, 01:18 AM
Indianapolis' inferiority complex rears its ugly head once again! Quit trying to be anything other than the capital city of the smallest midwestern state. The world's not paying attention.

Paintrain
01-03-2007, 02:28 AM
dont talk bad about indy its a great city

Cleveland Brown
01-03-2007, 03:10 AM
^ But even great cities do stupid things to be cool or avant garde!

ColDayMan
01-03-2007, 03:30 AM
It's the old Sidewinder at Elitch Gardens in Denver...or the Screemin Demon at Kings Island. Except the latter two are now defunct.

JivecitySTL
01-03-2007, 03:48 AM
As much as I'm all for Indianapolis creating an icon for itself, I think the design of this "circle arch" is hideous. What the fuck is it, and what about it is relevant to Indianapolis? It looks like a carnival ride. I just don't know who would travel to Indianapolis and say, "We have GOT to see the Circle Arch!" It looks like a 2nd rate piece of shit to me, no offense.

JivecitySTL
01-03-2007, 03:48 AM
*dupe*

Paintrain
01-03-2007, 04:29 AM
i like the idea but not the shape maybe a basketball theme or racing theme

KM1410
01-03-2007, 05:33 AM
It's the old Sidewinder at Elitch Gardens in Denver...or the Screemin Demon at Kings Island. Except the latter two are now defunct.

Yeah, I'm guessing Kings Island sold Indy the old parts for a great deal. :haha:

This thing is horrendous. The other proposal was much better.

mobyhead
01-03-2007, 01:58 PM
I too don't like it. :slob:

HomeInMyShoes
01-03-2007, 02:51 PM
I want to see the losing designs.

How does Indianapolis need a monument when they've got monument circle which is one of the coolest memorials in any city and with an unreal location right in the heart of downtown?

MayorOfChicago
01-03-2007, 03:26 PM
I like projects like this - but this one is pretty awful in my opinion.

Paintrain
01-03-2007, 04:24 PM
and dont forget indy has like the 2nd or 3rd most momuments in the nation

Steely Dan
01-03-2007, 05:29 PM
the comments about how this looks too much like a carnival ride are spot on.

in fact, the structure has an uncanny resemblance to the support sturctures used on the 1st generation of looping roller coasters from Arrow Dynamics and Schwartzkopf/Intamin back in the '70s.

http://history.amusement-parks.com/CircusWorld/arrowcoaster.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7926/cap0555mh.jpg

ColDayMan
01-03-2007, 06:45 PM
^Thus, my Sidewinder and Screemin Demon comparisons.

CGII
01-04-2007, 12:20 AM
and dont forget indy has like the 2nd or 3rd most momuments in the nation

Fabulous. That makes me like it about this much more.

Robert Pence
01-04-2007, 03:28 AM
It seems quite appropriate for Indianapolis, seat of Indiana's government. The legislators go 'round and 'round with much activity and commotion, but nothing ever really changes and after the ruckus is all over, we always end up pretty much back where we started.

"When in danger or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout!"

mobyhead
01-04-2007, 02:12 PM
Here are a few more renditions....
http://four.fsphost.com/andrewcahn/gateway%201.jpg
http://four.fsphost.com/andrewcahn/gateway%202.jpg

JivecitySTL
01-04-2007, 02:47 PM
The more I see of it, the more atrocious it becomes. Is it Indianapolis or Disney Land?

ablerock
01-04-2007, 10:40 PM
Interesting indeed.....

http://chicago.ibj.com/repository/ibj/2007/01/01/1/Img/Pc0010400.jpg

Even so, the design could still be tweaked as it moves from the drawing board to the construction site.

One panelist suggested making the trusses resemble the double helix of a strand of DNA, all the better to highlight the area’s strength in the life sciences.

“I hope it’s modified to reflect the fact that we really do have a very diverse neighborhood with strength in education, medicine and history,” said Dorothy Jones, president of BOS Community Development Corp., which works in the near-northwest side.


I have a feeling this design will change quite a bit before construction starts. I also think some of you are missing the point of this project (which may be due to lack of info). The sculpture/roller-coaster ;) is the centerpiece of a complete reworking of the road and landscaping of a six block stretch.

www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/boards/getfile.asp?file=gw_gatewaycircle_11x17.pdf

There is an initiative underway to improve sites like this at 15 different points across downtown Indy.

http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/opportunities/opportunities.html


I hope the form changes quite a bit too. I've taken sculpture classes with Greg Hull (one of the designers of the truss) at Herron School of Art and Design, and he is quite capable of making this an impressive piece of public art. If any of you have ever competed for a project, you know how it goes sometimes... get your foot in the door, then start to muscle in some more risk-taking moves. Hopefully this turns out to be the case here. I might actually have to live with this thing... most of you have already forgotten about it!

I think the form has potential, the support structure/material is what is throwing everyone off. Perhaps if it were sealed by glass and constructed of less "80's rollercoater tubing" there would be an improvement?

Hayward
01-04-2007, 11:20 PM
^ Sooooo, why don't they just redo the landscaping and ditch ( or at least reduce) the presence of the arch.

There's some things you just don't do!

CGII
01-05-2007, 01:35 AM
It still looks stupid.

STLgasm
01-05-2007, 05:17 AM
To even mention this hoola-hoop 'o crap in the same sentence as the Gateway Arch is an insult.

If this is the best Indy can come up with... ouch.

Wheelingman04
01-05-2007, 06:14 AM
It does look stupid.

Robert Pence
01-05-2007, 03:03 PM
Renderings show the people mover routed right through the base of it. They should route the people mover up and around the loop, and then people would come from all over just to ride it. They could charge fares at amusement-park rates and pay for a working transit system to replace the fiasco they have now.

ablerock
01-05-2007, 08:07 PM
I want to see the losing designs.

http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/rfp_boards.html

I hope this project works out positively. It's funny, I trust the individuals working on the project, but I'm in agreement with most everyone here: the renderings are definitely lacking in aesthetic appeal, not to mention originality.

Here's a quote from the Indygateways site regarding the selection of the finalist:
"This exciting activity will signal a fund-raising and refinement phase"

My fingers are crossed, but I'm not holding my breath.

Hopefully the private board will continue to solicit public feedback. Rest assured, I'll let them know about everyone's warm feedback ;) given the opportunity.

mobyhead
01-05-2007, 08:43 PM
I like this one a bit better....

http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/boards/gw_citytowers.jpg

LouisvilleJake
01-06-2007, 08:34 AM
Indianapolis is trying to create an appeal that is "organic" and "homegrown", but projects like this are contrived and people can see that!

This type of project, even if changed, looks incredibly ridiculous and just makes Indianapolis look pathetic for thinking this looks unique.

CGII
01-06-2007, 04:12 PM
On the bright side, at least they didn't pick this one.

http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/boards/gw_triumph.jpg

HomeInMyShoes
01-06-2007, 04:46 PM
Thanks for the link ablerock. I did some searching, but was google-challenged that day.

You know, I like quite a bit about the winning entry except for the signature piece of it. I'm hopeful it becomes a bit more refined looking along the way.

I didn't mind the towers one, except there seemed to be too many and oddly distributed. The gigantic running man would have been a never-ending source of entertainment at Indy's expense for eons.

KM1410
01-07-2007, 11:19 PM
On the bright side, at least they didn't pick this one.

http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/boards/gw_triumph.jpg

yeah, that was by far the worst one. that would have been worse than that ridiculous cross out on I-70 in Illinois. who in their right mind thought a giant man would look good? hopefully they won't be able to raise the money is this terrible project goes away.

satsuchan
01-08-2007, 05:00 AM
When I first saw this, it reminded me of a double-helix/DNA structure - there are bio/neuro-medical research centers sprouting in that area like 'shrooms, so I think if the refinement of the circle arch could suggest DNA, it could be cool - that would also require the footings to be slightly askew...I liked the LCD towers better myself. I really think Indy should have a huge Ferris Wheel (think London Eye) in White River State Park - that would be a great sculpture and tourist draw.

Paintrain
01-08-2007, 11:38 AM
if i remember right white river park was going to be a theme park at one time like in the 1980s

ablerock
01-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Indianapolis is trying to create an appeal that is "organic" and "homegrown", but projects like this are contrived and people can see that!

This type of project, even if changed, looks incredibly ridiculous and just makes Indianapolis look pathetic for thinking this looks unique.

I'm not sure where you read that Indy is trying to create an appeal that is "organic" and "homegrown." But if I must, I will point out that if completed, this project will be privately funded, designed, and constructed by citizens of Indianapolis. I'd also argue that any major contribution to an urban landscape is "contrived."

I'm not comparing the quality of the two projects, but being from Chicago, did you feel the same way about Millenium Park? It certainly didn't spring up overnight. It took years of "contrived" design and planning to make that significant and beautiful contribution to downtown Chicago.

This project is a simply a landmark to designate a particular area of downtown Indy. It is one of 15 locations recently highlighted that will be receiving attention to improve navigation and entry into the city.

Thanks for the link ablerock. I did some searching, but was google-challenged that day.

You know, I like quite a bit about the winning entry except for the signature piece of it. I'm hopeful it becomes a bit more refined looking along the way.

I didn't mind the towers one, except there seemed to be too many and oddly distributed. The gigantic running man would have been a never-ending source of entertainment at Indy's expense for eons.

I agree. I hope it becomes a lot more refined! I know it can't please everyone, but it seems to be the general consensus that it needs some work.

When I first saw this, it reminded me of a double-helix/DNA structure - there are bio/neuro-medical research centers sprouting in that area like 'shrooms, so I think if the refinement of the circle arch could suggest DNA, it could be cool - that would also require the footings to be slightly askew...I liked the LCD towers better myself.

The article mentions one panelist suggesting the same idea (DNA strands). A couple of people I've showed the losing plans liked the towers idea too, but also remarked that they bring to mind the World Trade Center.

wheelscomp
01-10-2007, 01:02 AM
why does indy need a gateway anyway? the interstate literally circles the entire city and you can enter the city practically anywhere. i just dont understand what "gateway" indy needs... or has



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