NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Here's a cam shot from a couple of minutes ago:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/122638202/original.jpg

[NYguy]

http://www.observer.com/2010/daily-transom/port-authority-punts-vornado-brookfield-one-wtc

Port Authority Punts Vornado, Brookfield From One WTC

By Eliot Brown
March 10, 2010

The race to sell off a portion of the Freedom Tower - officially, One World Trade Center - has kicked into a new gear.

The Port Authority, the New York-New Jersey-controlled bureaucracy that is developing the tower and shopping around an ownership stake, late last month dropped two developers vying to take a piece of the 1,776-foot tower, according to people familiar with the process. Out of the running: Steven Roth's Vornado Realty Trust and Brookfield Properties, run by CEO Ric Clark.

That leaves four developers standing: Mort Zuckerman, Douglas Durst, Stephen Ross and Gerald Hines, who respectively control Boston Properties, the Durst Organization, the Related Companies and Texas-based Hines Interests.

The skyscraper is on the rise in Lower Manhattan, with a hulk of steel currently more than 200 feet above ground. With symbolism and security guiding its design and purpose, it is surely a money drain for the Port Authority, at least in the short run, and costs more than $3 billion, twice the price of the 2,716-foot Burj Khalifa in Dubai, where labor is cheaper.

Thus the agency, searching for the developers with brokerage Cushman Wakefield, wants to bring in some money-it's looking for an investment of about $100 million to take a piece of equity-and to install a well-known developer as the public face of the tower.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Wow, great image. Do those tracks bring new steel on site??

[37TimPPG]

Wow, great image. Do those tracks bring new steel on site??

They sure do!

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Amazing! Can´t wait to see it rising taller and taller and taller, ´til its getting taller than all others in the city and country!:cheers:

[JZeig1]

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I don't know whether it's the lense your using or if it's the light, but these photos realy show the angle on the base of the tower. I mean it's really prominent.

[colemonkee]

^ It's the focal length of the lens. A wide-angle lens like that will exaggerate certain angles that move toward or away from the camera. So the angles of the corners are not that pronounced as they look there. You can tell by the angles on the WFC tower behind it, which obviously doesn't have any acute angles.

[hunser]

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[OneWorldTradeCenter]

WOW, the blue light on 7WTC´s base looks lovely! Will 1 WTC have this too?

[NYguy]

Not likely, although Silverstein has previously said his other towers would be blue...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753715/original.jpg

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

The base of 1 WTC looks unrealistic on this rendering.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

A shot from Wikopedia, taken a few days ago: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/1WTC_Construction_march10.jpeg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/1WTC_Construction_march10.jpeg

[FerrariEnzo]

The base of 1 WTC looks unrealistic on this rendering.

Agreed, though we are speaking about renderings here which as someone pointed out, are works of art in of them selves.

[Vesey]

OLD BASE

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/34056536/large.jpg

Was just reading through some older pages and saw this. Awesome! A shame it had to change, haha. Still no sense dwelling on the past, all the progress is looking great.

[steveve]

WOW, the blue light on 7WTC´s base looks lovely!

I totally agree! It looks really really cool!

Excellent progress on the tower and the memorials.. they look awesome! :D

Can't wait to see the site in a few years when all the grass/trees are planted and when the memorials are fully functional (and of course, not to mention 1WTC itself! :banana: )

[Zensteeldude]

is it me or the steel beems of tower 1 look bigger and more massive then the steel beems of tower 4.

It's not you, they are. Tower One well be twice as tall as Four.:)

[Lecom]

Here's a cam shot from a couple of minutes ago:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/122638202/original.jpg

Those trucks and people put in perspective how huge the structure, and the lower columns, really are.

[NYguy]

^ And we're just looking at the "feet" of the tower.


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Some of the people working in and around the tower...
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/liers-working-at-ground-zero-in-2010-1.1806828

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[Henkka]

Those trucks and people put in perspective how huge the structure, and the lower columns, really are.

Yeah, never realised how massive WTC One is until I saw that picture. Can't wait to see it in person this Autumn.

[Calgarian]

Good to see this one starting to rise, looks like a massive building.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Good to see this one starting to rise, looks like a massive building.

Oh it is a very massive building!

[Calgarian]

How many square feet when it's done? this bad boy looks like it could be around 3 million.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

How many square feet when it's done? this bad boy looks like it could be around 3 million.

2,600,000 sq ft (242,000 m2)

[Calgarian]

2,600,000 sq ft (242,000 m2)

That is a hell of a lot of space in a single building!

[bkraig4life]

New tower crane at south east side of 1wtc, is it for wtc memorial or 1wtc?

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

GREAT! But I think it´s for the memorial.

I guess they will build 1 WTC with those two cranes. We will see in the next days.

[You Need A Thneed]

I'm enjoying watching this one go up, and comparing the similarities between it and The Bow (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=131013) in Calgary.

Similarities:
Both will be cities tallest
Almost all steel construction (1WTC is getting a concrete core poured after the fact, the Bow is not)
Using the exact same Favco cranes.
Both have some gigantic peices of steel

They seem to be the two most photographed buildings in their specific forum sections.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

I'm enjoying watching this one go up, and comparing the similarities between it and The Bow (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=131013) in Calgary.

Similarities:
Both will be cities tallest
Almost all steel construction (1WTC is getting a concrete core poured after the fact, the Bow is not)
Using the exact same Favco cranes.
Both have some gigantic peices of steel

They seem to be the two most photographed buildings in their specific forum sections.


This one will be the tallest in the country, The Bow not. 1WTC will be tallest in the Americas and the tallest in the Western Himsiphere!:banana: :banana:

[RockMont]

I'm enjoying watching this one go up, and comparing the similarities between it and The Bow (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=131013) in Calgary.

Similarities:
Both will be cities tallest
Almost all steel construction (1WTC is getting a concrete core poured after the fact, the Bow is not)
Using the exact same Favco cranes.
Both have some gigantic peices of steel

They seem to be the two most photographed buildings in their specific forum sections.



I don't think that "Bow" in Calgary will equal this one. It is an interesting piece of art, in an architecural sense however.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

New images on wtcprogress.com!!

[RockMont]

Awesome! I can seen now, that the thing is about ready to blast off.

[RockMont]

Yes Calgary is a very nice city. I spent some time there about 1983. Even then it was an attractive city to go to.

[You Need A Thneed]

2,600,000 sq ft (242,000 m2)

How much floor area did one of the old World Trade Centre Towers have? IIRC, it's significantly more.

[Domamania]

wow look at this video of the progress of the tower. its amazing its like being right there. check it out
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/video-gallery.html

[Calgarian]

The bow may only be half as tall, but it is still a massive building, just under 2 million sqft. Both buildings are going to be of the highest quality and both cities should be very happy with their new tallest once complete.

So what is the estimated completion date?

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

The bow may only be half as tall, but it is still a massive building, just under 2 million sqft. Both buildings are going to be of the highest quality and both cities should be very happy with their new tallest once complete.

So what is the estimated completion date?

For this one? Mid-2013

[scalziand]

How much floor area did one of the old World Trade Centre Towers have? IIRC, it's significantly more.

Each original World Trade Center Tower had 4msf.

[Calgarian]

For this one? Mid-2013

So after the world ends then? :rolleyes:

I look forward to visiting NYC in the future and seeing this beaut.

[You Need A Thneed]

Each original World Trade Center Tower had 4msf.

That's what I guessed. The reduce office floor count and the tapering sides really take away from the overall area. But, It sounds like NYC doesn't need a huge chunk of new office space.

[Dac150]

But, It sounds like NYC doesn't need a huge chunk of new office space.

Actually it’s quite the opposite, especially in Lower Manhattan.

[CalibratedZeus]

Well, with the wind I don't see them doing much more work today, or the next two days for that matter considering the forecast. Come on mother nature help us out here and cooperate!

[NYguy]

Yeah, it was windy, cold, and damp out today. But that was nice compared to what's forecast for the weekend.

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[Bucktown718]

^^^ Amazing can't wait till first floor will be done, wonder how will it look like.
One quick question i heard that they don't work on the tower on Saturday's and Sunday's is that true?

[Plokoon11]

It looks like there doing two floors!

[2-TOWERS]

Well They Say A Floor A Week So It Seems Like They Are Doing 2 Floors At A Time So My Guess Is It Will Be 2 Weeks For The Double Floor.... Still Will Go Fast......i Will Be In The City In December So I Should See A Major Impact In The Skyline......

[kenratboy]

To paraphrase Sarah Palin:

'Build baby build!'

;)

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Will they now install a new tower crane?

[Zensteeldude]

:previous: We should know the answer to that question in a month or so.

Great pics NYGuy.

I see that the "wind frame" design of the office floors allowed them to put up the next section of corner node on the SW . (The mechanical floors are a braced wind frame)

The perimeter steel resists almost all of the wind load and about half of the gravity load (the core takes the rest).

[Domamania]

one quick question why is the steel from the office floors are not red like the base floors of the tower?

[Zensteeldude]

The red paint is intumescent fire proofing, the unpainted steel well get spray on fire proofing ( basically a layer of cement sprayed onto the steel).

A BLANKET OF INSULATION
Intumescent coatings start turning to insulating foam at a temperature of 300°F - less than a hundred
degrees higher than boiling water. The heat sensitive ingredients in the smooth coating react and froth
up into a foam containing millions of tiny hollow cells. The expansion incredibly rapid. What was once
a smooth, decorative surface turns into a thick protective layer of insulation.



http://www.fireretardantsinc.com/fire_retardants101.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVblCHQjVY

The core steel is unpainted because it well be encased in concrete.

[NYguy]

One quick question i heard that they don't work on the tower on Saturday's and Sunday's is that true?

I've seen them working weekends on some towers around town, (440 West 42nd is a recent example), but I haven't seen any weekend activity here.


I see that the "wind frame" design of the office floors allowed them to put up the next section of corner node on the SW .

I'm just waiting for that next section, the one we saw in your diagram. Then we will have arrived..:)

[malec]

I was in NYC 2 weeks ago and visited this area. Of course it was very sad thinking about what happened here and you could definitely feel something uneasy about everyone walking past, etc.

Am very glad this is now being built and look forward to the day this area goes beyond being a construction site.

:yes:

[MadGnome]

Would the change in fireproofing at this point be because of the steel going below a certain thickness? Or because it's office floors now instead of mechanical floors?

[hunser]

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[uaarkson]

I like how that guy basically just stole CULWULLA's work.

[hunser]

I like how that guy basically just stole CULWULLA's work.

indeed, he did. maybe culwulla needs better protection of the copyright for his diagrams. :rolleyes:

[Muskavon]

Looking over NYguy's photos, you can start to see the true angle change/transition between the base and the office floors. Even with just a few of steel members up.

[MadGnome]

The scale of the cranes in that diagram must be way off. Even Red Jr. is tall enough to put the next corner piece up.

[Zensteeldude]

Would the change in fireproofing at this point be because of the steel going below a certain thickness? Or because it's office floors now instead of mechanical floors?

It has to do with how much room there is for the insulation. Spray on fireproofing adds about 2 inches to the size of the beam/column. Intumescent paint adds about an 1/8th of an inch.

[kenratboy]

This is a very basic question - was this building designed with the metric or imperial system? Obviously we convert figures either way, but are the blue prints imperial or metric?

[uaarkson]

Judging by Zen's prints, it's all imperial.

[Innsertnamehere]

another thing is that its hieght is 1,776 feet, not metres, so i'm guessing its imperial.

[MadGnome]

another thing is that its hieght is 1,776 feet, not metres, so i'm guessing its imperial.

Too bad. 1776 meters would have been something to behold.

[Domamania]

Too bad. 1776 meters would have been something to behold.

imagine if it were 1776 meters tall it would be 5,328 feet high. that would have been a masssive building of epic porportions. thats like 3 freedom towers combined.

[xnyr]

one quick question why is the steel from the office floors are not red like the base floors of the tower?

Thanks for asking this question, as I've been wondering about this for months.


The red paint is intumescent fire proofing, the unpainted steel well get spray on fire proofing ( basically a layer of cement sprayed onto the steel).

A BLANKET OF INSULATION
Intumescent coatings start turning to insulating foam at a temperature of 300°F - less than a hundred
degrees higher than boiling water. The heat sensitive ingredients in the smooth coating react and froth
up into a foam containing millions of tiny hollow cells. The expansion incredibly rapid. What was once
a smooth, decorative surface turns into a thick protective layer of insulation.


And thanks Zensteeldude for your clear and thorough explanation.

So MY question is - if the fireproofing on the base is meant to be "a smooth decorative surface" , it will be visible behind the glass panels that will be attached to the facade. Is this correct?

If this is so, I have never seen it (the red steel) in any renders to date (except the drawing posted recently).

Thanks in advance.

[NYguy]

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Deuling towers..

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[Dac150]

When trying to get a grasp of the size of the building in comparison to its neighbors, the key is the angle you are looking at it from. From the angle above, it’s clear that it fits in just fine.

[Zensteeldude]

This is a very basic question - was this building designed with the metric or imperial system? Obviously we convert figures either way, but are the blue prints imperial or metric?

As uaarkson stated all the prints are in imperial units. Even the German elevator manufacturer has to submit prints in imperial units.

Thanks for asking this question, as I've been wondering about this for months.




And thanks Zensteeldude for your clear and thorough explanation.

So MY question is - if the fireproofing on the base is meant to be "a smooth decorative surface" , it will be visible behind the glass panels that will be attached to the facade. Is this correct?

If this is so, I have never seen it (the red steel) in any renders to date (except the drawing posted recently).

Thanks in advance.

Intumescent paint is almost always exposed to view on the finished product, but not in this case. It was used on the mechanical floors to allow the column covers to be as close fitting as possible.

Column covers are just sheet metal wrappers.

When trying to get a grasp of the size of the building in comparison to its neighbors, the key is the angle you are looking at it from. From the angle above, it’s clear that it fits in just fine.

I find it useful to look at pics of the Twins to get a feel for the scale of Tower One, it is only a few feet smaller in footprint and well be the same hight, minus the spire.

[Zensteeldude]

someone hid the delete button:haha:

[Mr Man]

This building is growing on me (no pun intended). Silly question... why is it listed as 108 floors when it's only 80ish? Or did I miss something?

[BrownTown]

This building is growing on me (no pun intended). Silly question... why is it listed as 108 floors when it's only 80ish? Or did I miss something?

To try and make people feel like it isn't a downgrade from the original.

[JSsocal]

Ok seriously guys, as Zen put it, its just a number on an elevator button, almost every other building does it, (when was the last time you stayed on the 13th floor of a hotel). The base is about the equivalent of a 20 story building, and so it is numbered accordingly, even though floors 7-19 don't exist.

The average Joe doesn't think of a building as how many feet it is, (except for this one), but by how many stories it has. To say this building only has 80 or so stories would just be deceptive to the average person, based on how tall the building actually is.

[Mr Man]

Ok seriously guys, as Zen put it, its just a number on an elevator button, almost every other building does it, (when was the last time you stayed on the 13th floor of a hotel). The base is about the equivalent of a 20 story building, and so it is numbered accordingly, even though floors 7-19 don't exist. Seriously, it's just a number on a button.

I've always been an odd ball on this issue. I care more about the actual number of stories and the square footage than the height of the building. Thanks for answering my question though.

Since we're on the topic, anyone know what is the total square footage of the new WTC complex (WTC 1-7)?

[Zensteeldude]

14,200,000 square feet and Tower One well have 92 actual floors, or floors an elevator can actually stop at.:D

That's about 1 million square feet more the the origonal WTC had.

[Mr Man]

14,200,000 square feet and Tower One well have 92 actual floors, or floors an elevator can actually stop at.:D

That's about 1 million square feet more the the origonal WTC had.


Thanks!! I was under the false impression that it would have be a lot less. I use to be extremely anti-Freedom Tower, but I'm really starting to like it.

[uakoops]

14,200,000 square feet and Tower One well have 92 actual floors, or floors an elevator can actually stop at.:D

That's about 1 million square feet more the the origonal WTC had.

Is that just the towers or does it include all the underground space as well? (Memorial, parking, VSC etc.)

[NYguy]

This building is growing on me (no pun intended). Silly question... why is it listed as 108 floors when it's only 80ish? Or did I miss something?

The breakdown is given on the first page. It's always best to check the first page if you haven't been following a development.



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[J.M.]

Does this One World Trade Center actually have more space then the older one?? I just can't seem to belive that statement.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Does this One World Trade Center actually have more space then the older one?? I just can't seem to belive that statement.

The old one had more space. It had 400,000 m2. This one has about 250.000 m2. That´s because the higher floors are smaller.

[colemonkee]

Looks like pieces of another crane in that webcam snapshot. Could they be installing an additional crane soon?

[NYguy]

Looks like pieces of another crane in that webcam snapshot. Could they be installing an additional crane soon?

I wondered about that also...

[CalibratedZeus]

Well in the bottom left of the snap-shot is the black body steel support and actual crane, the arm steel is sitting right below the tower.

So my guess, is yes that is a crane.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

I saw the crane!!! Is it for the tower or the Memorial???:shrug: :shrug:

[NYguy]

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[BiggieSmalls]

I saw the crane!!! Is it for the tower or the Memorial???:shrug: :shrug:


Memorial.. Near the opening for the Visitors Pavilion. By where they put the platform to the south of the current black crane.

[NYguy]

I don't know if this will be for the memorial. Probably more for the PATH terminal, if not the tower. Here's a wider cam shot of the crane in waiting...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/122780005/original.jpg

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

The tower needs another crane!

Perhaps it´s for the South-Tower´s Memorial-Pool. But those cranes are usally used for building towers (as well as on other buildings in the USA and Canada).

[xnyr]

The tower needs another crane!

Perhaps it´s for the South-Tower´s Memorial-Pool. But those cranes are usally used for building towers (as well as on other buildings in the USA and Canada).


I believe OneWorldTradeCenter is right - here is the base of the new crane:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4437879477_d32eab768c_m.jpg

[mac78130]

Here's a better view

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/wtcmemorial.jpg

[The North One]

I wonder when this building is done, if it will be number 1 on the emporis skyscraper list in 2012 (or whenever it is done) this thing is solid as a rock!

[uaarkson]

lol holy shit, where is all this steel coming from? Four days straight of rain and wind and now steel is flying up all over the site.

[RockMont]

No doubt about it! The future New World Trade Center, is really kicking Bin Laden's ass now!

[CalibratedZeus]

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[evanmack]

Looks like the 'one floor a week' is finally coming true

[Bucktown718]

looks like there's 2 floors, if they are going to go at this speed we're going to see some serious progress by June

[uaarkson]

Yeah, this is a pretty significant step forward in speed. And it had been raining since Friday!

[NYguy]

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Yeah, it's evident looking at this photo that they will be getting a couple of floors done at a time.

[NewYorker2009]

I tend to think it's going to rise two floors every two weeks, meaning that they are working on two floors at once instead of just one so about every week or so two office floors will be about half complete. It's actually a more efficient process and will definetely speed things up there.

[NYguy]

^ Right, the average comes to about a floor a week, according to the Port Authority. So you likely won't see individual floors going up a week at a time.

Here's a better view

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/wtcmemorial.jpg

They did in fact install more of the crane, but I believe it may have more to do with the station than the memorial. But we'll see.

[Plokoon11]

Thank god, the speed HAS COME!