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LMich
Jan 16, 2007, 12:23 AM
DPS's problems passed the point of no return years and years ago, and I don't see anything saving the district, not a competent board being elected. Nothing.

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20070115&Category=SCHOOLS&ArtNo=701150362&Ref=V2Q=100&MaxW=500
David Coates / The Detroit News
Students who leave Detroit schools for other districts -- such as Clintondale, shown here -- take along $7,500 in state cash.

51,000 opt out of Detroit schools
Nearly a third of students attend charter or suburban schools

January 15, 2007

Mike Wilkinson / The Detroit News

Nearly a third of Detroit's students -- or about 51,000 -- are attending charter schools and suburban public districts, causing enrollment and budgets at other districts to surge while Detroit Public Schools shrinks.

About 5,000 Detroit residents left for other schools this fall alone, according to recently released enrollment records, a continuation of declines that have ravaged district funding but resulted in more options for students.

More than 25 districts in Metro Detroit had enrollment swings of more than 130 students last fall alone, according to a Detroit News analysis of enrollment changes between September 2005 and September 2006. That's either a $1 million drop or $1 million bump in state aid. It could mean hiring teachers -- or laying them off.

Nowhere was the drop as significant -- or critical -- as in Detroit, and it comes with ramifications for the far-flung suburbs as well as the state's largest district.

"At some point, the system just will not be viable," said Jeffrey Mirel, a professor of education and history at the University of Michigan who has studied the Detroit schools.

Once one of the largest districts in the country, Detroit is no longer among the 20 most populous. And with the flight of each child, the district watches another $7,500 walk away. All told, the state is spending nearly $380 million a year to educate Detroit children elsewhere.

The 5,000 additional students who went to charters and other public schools last fall represent only a fraction of the roughly 12,600 fewer students in the district, which has seen enrollment drop by more than 10,000 a year for several years.

The loss of students, blamed in part on fewer school-age children in the city, has forced the district to schedule the closure of 52 schools.

And the diaspora of Detroit schoolchildren is likely to widen. District projections suggest it may continue to lose 10,000 students a year, dimming prospects for a turnaround.

Parents are choosing charter schools in the city and far beyond, along with public districts in Warren, Clinton Township, Ecorse and Oak Park as they demand better opportunities for their children.

Leda Reed has three kids at Charlotte Forten Academy, a nontraditional school for at-risk youth on the west side. She said she's unlikely to switch to Detroit's public schools.

"Not if they don't do anything about running the schools," she said.

Those feelings were echoed as recently as Friday by Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who told the Detroit Economic Club that he feared that a crisis of leadership in the schools threatened hopes for an economic rebound.

Declines likely to continue

Enrollment is likely to continue to fall for districts statewide, because graduating classes are larger than incoming kindergarten classes, said Mary Ann Cleary, associate director for the Michigan House Fiscal Agency. The agency predicted the state would have 7,000 fewer students last fall. The final number: 15,000 fewer. That will mean $65 million less for districts and charters than expected, she said.

Advocates of choice say the students are being served by the many options they have.

"Parents are expecting quality schools, and it's incumbent upon all of us to provide those schools," said Dan Quisenberry, president of the Michigan Association of Public School Academies.

State money has followed the Fleming family of west Detroit to several schools. Victolyn and Berris Fleming have enrolled their children in charter and public schools, always with an eye on quality.

Their eldest daughter, Sherene, graduated from Detroit Renaissance and the University of Michigan; her younger brother, Berris Jr., is at Renaissance now. Their sister, Sheleeann, is at Henry Ford Academy in Dearborn.

"They push the student to do more," Victolyn Fleming, an operating room nurse. "I don't believe in being average."

The current market-driven environment suits Harun Rashid just fine. Principal at Frontier International Academy, a charter school in Hamtramck, Rashid added a ninth grade this year -- and filled it immediately. The school grew by 25 percent to 300 students last fall and cannot accommodate all who want to attend.

Combined with scholarship money available for private schools, the choices are numerous and welcomed.

"Everybody should be competing for quality, not numbers," Rashid said.

District aims to stop loss

School choice has been a fact in Michigan for more than a decade. Getting most of the attention are the dozens of charters in Metro Detroit that enroll more than 42,000 Detroit schoolchildren. A number of districts in Wayne, Macomb and Oakland counties also allow in students from other districts.

But although Detroit predicts continued losses, officials say they may be able to stanch the flow. "We're not going to sit on our hands," said Detroit schools spokesman Lekan Oguntoyinbo.

Instead, the district is mounting an aggressive campaign to show off what it believes are quality schools, including Renaissance and Cass Tech, and others, like Davis Aerospace Technical High School.

The district is making that pitch as it manages a massive restructuring. Meanwhile, the drop in enrollment will eat away at the district's financial resources.

"There's no question that it hurts. That's why we have to redouble our efforts to tell our story," Oguntoyinbo said.

In some districts like Ferndale and Clintondale, Detroit students predominantly attend alternative education centers, in buildings that are separate from the traditional schools. The money from those students goes into the general fund and helps pay for both the alternative program and the district's overall operations.

Students bring cash, concerns

The Detroit students have brought cash and, in some cases, concerns.

In the Clintondale district, residents' complaints about teens dropping trash prompted administrators to use a van to shuttle Detroit students from their bus stop on Gratiot to the alternative education building just 300 yards into the Clinton Township neighborhood.

Meanwhile, Oak Park is glad to have 1,400 Detroit students -- and the more than $10 million they bring. In the fall, as the 16-day DPS teachers strike simmered, Detroit students were invited to come to Oak Park.

Roughly 800 Detroit students did, joining the 600 from Detroit already attending the district in southern Oakland County. The infusion of students -- they represent a third of the entire enrollment -- and cash allowed the public school district to rebound from a two-year drop in enrollment.

"I'm telling you, it's a new day in Oak Park," said Allyson Abrams, president of the school board.

Mirel, the U-M professor, said DPS's chances of luring them back hinge upon the district returning to its past, back in the early 20th century when it was a model of quality. But that will require the district to improve if it intends to avoid a slow, painful vanishing act.

"The only way it will change is if DPS offers a better educational product," he said.

You can reach Mike Wilkinson at (313) 222-2563 or mwilkinson@detnews.com.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/SCHOOLS/701150362

DeadManWalking
Jan 16, 2007, 12:40 AM
This isn't an issue limited to Detroit. Quite honestly this seems like a good thing to me. Before you guys lose your minds, hear me out. Suburbanites often complain that they would not live in the city because the schools are shitty. If people who live in the city can send their kids to suburban schools, then that gives more people incentive to live in the city.

LMich
Jan 16, 2007, 12:52 AM
I'm not sure following that logic. What it does is give families yet another excuse to move even further out...like they've been doing in Southeast Michigan for many years now.

Still, the point needs to be made that DPS is losing a lot of students, but Detroit proper isn't losing nearly as many, if any at all. In fact, I've heard that the primary school-age population of Detroit has actually risen in the past few years. Charters are what is really cutting into DPS's numbers. What's ironic is that recent studies in state have found that charter schools, on average, aren't producing significantly better test scores. The grass always seems to be greener on the other side.

the pope
Jan 16, 2007, 3:04 AM
of the 1,000 detroiters who attend ferndale public schools. I'm willing to bet most of their families could not afford homes in ferndale.

Kid goes to better school, gets better education. Better detroit city population education levels.

(this post if full of many broad generalizations, don't pounce)

LMich
Jan 16, 2007, 5:27 AM
Yes, the ones that do go to suburban schools get better educations, and like most Southeast Michiganders that go to college, they rarely come back, well, at least they don't come back in the numbers any of us remaining Michiganians would like. This goes for the kids that make it to college out of DPS, as well. Michigan does a great job of educating its youth at the university level...only to then have it shipped out to other states. And, these kids that do end up staying don't usually come back to Detroit proper. It kind of makes you wonder why even have DPS, at all? But, the city soon won't have to worry about that if things keep up like they are. What's going to end up happening is that Detroit's going to have a great, little inner-city in about 20 years, surrounded by a lot of nothing.

liat91
Jan 16, 2007, 10:14 AM
[QUOTE=LMich;2566976]Yes, the ones that do go to suburban schools get better educations, and like most Southeast Michiganders that go to college, they rarely come back, well, at least they don't come back in the numbers any of us remaining Michiganians would like. This goes for the kids that make it to college out of DPS, as well. Michigan does a great job of educating its youth at the university level...only to then have it shipped out to other states. And, these kids that do end up staying don't usually come back to Detroit proper. It kind of makes you wonder why even have DPS, at all? But, the city soon won't have to worry about that if things keep up like they are. What's going to end up happening is that Detroit's going to have a great, little inner-city in about 20 years, surrounded by a lot of nothing.[/QUOT\


Do you think over time that the reverse donut that will happen in Detroit proper will mean that when the vibrant inner city will become to expensive and then people will move farther out into the city? Since there won't be any people to displace, it should be quite easy.

LMich
Jan 16, 2007, 10:35 AM
Oh, I'm sure it will. Everything comes in cycles, and I don't think for a minute that Detroit is going to up and disappear all of a sudden. But, that could be said of any city, couldn't it? I just don't think it's going to happen for, at least, another two decades. And, in today's society, that's far too long for most people to wait out, and understandably so. Unless the city stumbles upon another economy sometime soon, and that is an economy who's main base isn't public jobs (i.e. City of Detroit, Detroit Public Schools...) and declining manufacturing jobs, Detroit's got quite a few more years of solid decline left in it, and the school district dispora certainly doesn't help things.

The truth it, much like the city, the school district has become a dumping grounds for the families that don't have the means to 'escape' the city. How we expect the school system to produce better test scores and such, and why those that leave just expect everything to magically get better anytime soon is beyond me.

Michi
Jan 17, 2007, 4:31 AM
It's kinda funny how media reports for the longest time, never ellaborate on "what" exactly is wrong with DPS. Obvioulsy, it is something tremendous, but bullet pointed, what? The fact that they're all minorities and throw trash on the ground?

Maybe my question is answered by the lady that quoted, "I don't accept average", which would lead me to understand that absolutely nothing is wrong with DPS. The core of the problem is that they're just average. And instead of working on the problem, we run away from it? :shrug:

Cleveland Brown
Jan 17, 2007, 5:34 PM
It's kinda funny how media reports for the longest time, never ellaborate on "what" exactly is wrong with DPS. Obvioulsy, it is something tremendous, but bullet pointed, what? The fact that they're all minorities and throw trash on the ground?

Maybe my question is answered by the lady that quoted, "I don't accept average", which would lead me to understand that absolutely nothing is wrong with DPS. The core of the problem is that they're just average. And instead of working on the problem, we run away from it? :shrug:

In my experience, DPS only has two major problems (1) Parent apathy and dedication to education and (2) a few problem children in some schools whose behavior helps to destroy the learning environment. The first problem isn't unique to Detroit (it's quite common in American public schools), but it's multiplied by poverty and broken families in Detroit. It's hard for parents to sit down and focus on their child's education, when they're working two minimum wage jobs wondering if they'll have dinner on the table. It's my firm belief that with parental dedication, little distinguishes Detroit schools from their suburban counterparts.

I attended DPS from K-12 along with my siblings. The youngest will attend college in the fall, my older brother and I are both graduate students, and my sister is working on her bachelor's degree. Over the years friends and family have criticised DPS to the point of withdrawing their kids and placing them in charter and privite schools (some even out of state). Those that took a strong interest in their kids education got favorible results. Those that looked to the school's reputation and credentials itself, without becoming involved, fared much worse. A close friend of the family sent all of her kids to expensive private schools (and virtually every time she visited we heard her trash DPS :rolleyes: ). Low and behold none of her kids went to college and one has yet to earn a GED. I could tell at least a half-dozen similar stories and I believe the statistics bear me out.

The second part of the coin is the behavior problems/violence in the schools. IMHO, this is the primary reason so many parents flee from the district. As many of you know, Detroit maintains a "two-tier" school district, the "good schools" and the rest. I attended the "good DPS schools" where problem children were forced out and placed in other schools. For example, at Cass there is a zero tolerance policy regarding fights. Whether you're victim or agressor, if you fight then you're gone. From friends and family and the "other schools" problem children destroy the learning evironment by interrupting class and challenging teachers and administrators for respect and authority. Many school officials fear dealing with problem children or their parents in concern for their safety. At the district level many administrators fail to "segregate out" problem children because of PC ideals of equality, fairness and innocence of the young (you know I had to get some kind of right-wing rant in ;) ). Because they fail to deal with problem children adequately, the "problems" become a de facto authority force that terrorizes the school community. Fearfull for their kids (and themselves) many parents will not battle for the best of the community and will either (1) remove their kids from DPS or (2) remain apathetic, thus remaining unconcered about their child's future.

illmatic774
Jan 17, 2007, 10:19 PM
I can tell you can after being school for 6 years in Detroit, only 2 months was under DPS. Thanks to those 2 months, my parents became paranoid of sending my other younger siblings to any other public school. Believe me, its that bad. Bad as advertised, and before I get comments about stretching the truth, i hope its from someone else who actually was a subject to the system. The teachers don't really care, but a lot of that is a result of being exposed to thousands of kids who could give a shit about what goes on in school; there is no Mr Clark that can come and fix all of a school's problems in DPS. Whoever said DPS was a lost cause that hit the fan a long time ago was right; the faster it dissolves, the better the chance that kids can actually get a quality education. Yeah, of course there are kids who put up with all of the shit and have overcome the obstacles, but seriously, who needs to go through that? Charters may be trashed by some of the Detroit citizens who are for helping and mending DPS, but they are more efficient.

The administration as a whole (not as individuals) has made it their priority to wake up, show up, and leave. They know that saving the school system is beyond their control; the problem lies on an even higher tier. Yet DPS is so far gone that is needs to be completely restructured, and closing down 40 schools is a good start.

LMich
Jan 18, 2007, 1:46 AM
Nerd, I think you left out the other side. Your points 1 & 2 need to be combined as one side. My thought has always been that one side of the coin is a huge amount of apathetic parents which breeds apathy and acting out in their impressionable children, but that the disorganization and apathy in DPS is the other side, and just as real as the parental/student apathy. There is apathy all the way around this issue concentrated in both sides. One side can't move forward unless both are working towards the same goal.

Ill, I was the one that brought up that DPS is most likely beyond the point of no return, but I don't see that as a good thing. What does this solve? "Bad" kids aren't going to just disappear or quit being made. It's simply redistributing the problem. The truth is, DPS gets all of the bad press, but, charter schools are often just as bad if not worse in the students they turn out. I think offering charters as an option is a great arguement, but I get the impression that too many people automatically believe that they are always preferable, when at the end of the day, you're simply re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. If a poorly run DPS is only half the problem, that still leaves the problem of apathetic parents, and where are there children going to go when DPS collapes? To the charters.

the pope
Jan 18, 2007, 2:47 PM
of anecdotal note, the charter schools here in cleveland perform far worse than the Cleveland Public Schools when it comes to the great, ill-conceived measuring stick, the standardized test

LMich
Jan 19, 2007, 3:17 AM
Charter schools have shown similar results in Lansing. In fact, the largest charter middle school (Walter French) shut down a few years back after its charter expired and was not renewed because of poor preformace, and the school had just as many fights as most of the public schools (and more in some cases). It was the 14th charter school in the state to lose its charter.

Apart from these anecdotes, though, it was found that, state-wide, charters didn't out-preform their public counterparts much, if at all, in the different categories.

For 2006 it was found that Michigan charter schools preformed slightly better in language arts, and math at grades 3 through 8. It was also found that charters preformed measurably poorer at math in high school, though.

The point here is that while charters can be available as an option, they hardly live up to the hype they are given by those that rail against public education.



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