[GreatTallNorth2]

London has about 60 Tim Horton's locations (I am not kidding), but now it seems like Starbucks is building like crazy. Two years ago we had 2locations in Chapters. Now there are 8 locations and 2 more under construction. Is Starbucks taking over your city? What is the next chain to come: Caribou Coffee or Panera Bread?

[Greco Roman]

London has about 60 Tim Horton's locations (I am not kidding), but now it seems like Starbucks is building like crazy. Two years ago we had 2locations in Chapters. Now there are 8 locations and 2 more under construction. Is Starbucks taking over your city? What is the next chain to come: Caribou Coffee or Panera Bread?

I do love their peppermint hot chocolate :cheers:

[furrycanuck]

London has about 60 Tim Horton's locations (I am not kidding), but now it seems like Starbucks is building like crazy. Two years ago we had 2locations in Chapters. Now there are 8 locations and 2 more under construction. Is Starbucks taking over your city? What is the next chain to come: Caribou Coffee or Panera Bread?

Does Caribou have plans to expand into Canada?

When I moved to Calgary in 2000, there were 42 Second Cups and 18 Starbucks. There are now 40 Second Cups and 73 Starbucks. So, yeah.

[Mister F]

Starbucks is expanding all over Ontario. Peterborough has two and they're scouting locations in Cobourg.

[harls]

I can think of six in downtown Ottawa.

Strangely enough, I don't think there is one single location on the Quebec side of the river..

[habsfan]

I can think of six in downtown Ottawa.

Strangely enough, I don't think there is one single location on the Quebec side of the river..

Huh! Funny! There are plenty of them in Montreal!

London has about 60 Tim Horton's locations (I am not kidding),

I was told by some friend that Tim Hortons was all over the place in the ROC. 60 locations in a city 0f 400,000, is just ridiculous! I don't think we have 20 Tim Horton's locations in Greater Montreal!

[Waterlooson]

London has about 60 Tim Horton's locations (I am not kidding), but now it seems like Starbucks is building like crazy. Two years ago we had 2locations in Chapters. Now there are 8 locations and 2 more under construction. Is Starbucks taking over your city? What is the next chain to come: Caribou Coffee or Panera Bread?

London has 65 Tim Horton's - and that's not even including St. Thomas!

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[circle33]

I don't think we have 20 Tim Horton's locations in Greater Montreal!


A quick search using the store locator function turned up 77 locations within 10 km of downtown Montreal.

[flar]

I don't know of any Starbucks in Hamilton, but Burlington has them.

[caltrane74]

I hope you guys know Hamilton invented Tim Horton's. That city must have the highest per capita Tim Hortons rate in the world.

[big W]

London has 65 Tim Horton's - and that's not even including St. Thomas!

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Wow thats lots of Tim Hortons in London. There are 74 in metro Edmonton (includes all surrounding communities) and we have 2.5 X the population. With that I think I see them everywhere I can only imagine if we had that much more TImmy's locations.

Now for starbucks we have 41 according to their website however I know of 2 more locations downtown that do not appear. So I would hazzard to guess that there are more that are missed in Edmonton.

Not sure about second cup as I could not get the website map to work.

[big W]

A quick search using the store locator function turned up 77 locations within 10 km of downtown Montreal.

Expand it to 10 miles and you get 100 and that does not include Laval. Greater Montreal has tonnes of Timmy's

[Coldrsx]

i still recall being in downtown mtl and asking where i might find a SB and they didnt know what i was talking about...

[CCF]

Regina just got its second Starbucks a few weeks ago.

The only one we had was the one in Chapters. We are pretty far behind.

[alps]

We got our first Starbucks a few months ago, and they quickly opened a second one on the same street, not a kilometre away :D .

Another chain I notice is expanding quickly is Quiznos, I've been meaning to try them.

[IntotheWest]

Does Caribou have plans to expand into Canada?

When I moved to Calgary in 2000, there were 42 Second Cups and 18 Starbucks. There are now 40 Second Cups and 73 Starbucks. So, yeah.

Yes, their plans are to have one "on every corner". kinda crazy. Bankers Hall now has two - one on the main floor, and one on the second floor (Second Cup had done that in one or two office buildings as well several years ago).

Even in my suburb way on the edge of the city (Shawnessy), there are four within a few blocks - one next to a Co-op, one in the Safeway, one in the Chapters, and a stand-alone a block north.

[raisethehammer]

Downtown Hamilton has none. We are pretty far ahead IMO.

[SteelTown]

There's 2 Starbucks in Hamilton. They dropped one on Upper James just to test the market in Hamilton since they know Hamilton is Tim Horton's bitch.

It's not rare to see two Tim Horton's in one intersection, usually with a typical Tim Horton's store and another with just the Tim Horton's express.

[Blitz]

There's only 4 Starbucks in metro Windsor and no new ones planned. They'll have a hard time breaking into the stranglehold that Tim Hortons has on that city.

[LordMandeep]

There is one in my local strip mall.

[MolsonExport]

Starfucks outlets are becoming ubiquitous.

By the way, you are wrong about the # of Tim Horton's outlets in London.
There are at least 60 here on campus at Western, plus 800 or so along Wonderland Road alone. I would estimate that in London, there are at least 573000 Tim Hortons. And every stinking one of them is always crowded here in the land of the drive-thru.

[harls]

Regina just got its second Starbucks a few weeks ago.

The only one we had was the one in Chapters. We are pretty far behind.

I think you can get Starbucks coffee at some hotel downtown as well? Not sure if it's a full-fledged location, but I remember somebody telling me about it.

Tim's only has 3 locations in Hull (the old city). One is in a government building and is only open during public servant working hours.. so I'd guess that's pushing a little more than a couple of hours per day.

[sdm]

there is 4 locations in Halifax area, 2 at chapters, 2 in other locals. I believe this is just the begining though for us.

[IntotheWest]

Downtown Hamilton has none. We are pretty far ahead IMO.

There was an article last year in the Herald that mentioned property values went up in neighbourhoods where a Starbuck's existed...that was before they launched their "one on every corner" expansion plans though.

Truthfully, I'd be just as content if every one downtown Calgary closed, and one Caffe Artigiano opened. Or, if Kicking Horse actually tried opening a store.

[DrJoe]

Starbucks is expanding all over Ontario. Peterborough has two and they're scouting locations in Cobourg.

It would be neat if they chose a downtown location, doubt it would happen though.

[Kilgore Trout]

I was told by some friend that Tim Hortons was all over the place in the ROC. 60 locations in a city 0f 400,000, is just ridiculous! I don't think we have 20 Tim Horton's locations in Greater Montreal!

tim horton's definitely has more than that here... they've really exploded over the past few years, ever since dunkin' donuts left town.

actually, tim's used to be a mostly atlantic canada and ontario thing. when i grew up in calgary there weren't very many of them at all.

[harls]

There's still a few Dunkin' Donuts around in Montreal, isn't there? I can think of one in TMR (right next to the Met near Lucerne). A lot have been closed up though, that's true... or re-opened as some knock off like the 'Double Donuts' on Jean-Talon and St-laurent.

[big W]

There's still a few Dunkin' Donuts around in Montreal, isn't there? I can think of one in TMR (right next to the Met near Lucerne). A lot have been closed up though, that's true... or re-opened as some knock off like the 'Double Donuts' on Jean-Talon and St-laurent.

I recall several Metro stations having Dunkin Donuts. The doughnuts suck though.

[SpongeG]

do any other cities have a corner of starbucks and starbucks?

Vancouver has thurlow and robson where they are across from each other - rumour for a while was they were going to add a third one but it never happenned

in starbucks insane news - they are expanding in the UK - they will be opening 1 starbucks every two weeks for the next years in London - that is insane!

as well they are opening up in india and have huge plans for there

Vancouver doesn't have that many new ones that i can think of - they have been opening a lot of drive thurs recently - 3 on the way into downtown opened in the last couple of years

[murman]

i still recall being in downtown mtl and asking where i might find a SB and they didnt know what i was talking about...

Not enough Quebecois twang in yer accent, dude. No wonder they couldn't understand you.

[SpongeG]

there are no corporate stores in Quebec apparently - the ones that are there are franchised

[vid]

Thunder Bay has a drive through starbucks located in the middle of Northern Ontario's largest power centre!!

WE'RE URBAN!! :banana: WE'RE URBAN!! :banana: YEAH YEAH!! :banana: WE'RE URBAN!!

It's an ugly little thing, too. Stuck to a Subway or Pizza Hut Express or something sick like that. :yuck:

[SpongeG]

the one here in vancouver is on powell i think just where it enters the Downtown east side - and it has bars on all its windows - it seems like an odd location for a starbucks but it does catch the downtown workers coming from the north shore

[furrycanuck]

do any other cities have a corner of starbucks and starbucks?


'tis the case in many markets with a lot of Starbucks. In Calgary, there is one in the Safeway at 8th and 12th and one right across the street on the SE corner of 8th and 12th; one in Sears downtown and one kitty corner at 8th Ave and 4th St; one in the Marda Loop Safeway and another storefront one across the parking lot, two in Bankers Hall, two in Petro Canada...

[SpongeG]

ah yes its like that here - there is one in sears and one across the street on granville

but when starbucks is inside safeway or chapters its not a real corporate store but a licensed concept or franchise

the one is Sears is actually CARA foods

my friend worked at that one had couldn't work at "real" starbucks as he called them - his room mate worked at a "real" one and was able to pick up shifts at a number of stores

I wonder if they will ever reach saturation point - when i was in Toronto in 1992-1994 I can only remember 2 starbucks as tehy were pretty rare at that time

[harls]

I recall several Metro stations having Dunkin Donuts. The doughnuts suck though.


I know Berri UQAM has one.. or had one. if there are more, I'm sure they are all at the downtown stations... every stop outside of downtown doesn't have much retail presence, save for a newsstand or convenience store.

I think Couche-Tard has some deal with Dunkin Donuts to serve their shit. Anyway, Dunkin's coffee is nasty.. their idea of bringing out the full bodied flavor is letting it cook on the hotplate for a few days. :yuck:

[furrycanuck]

I wonder if they will ever reach saturation point - when i was in Toronto in 1992-1994 I can only remember 2 starbucks as tehy were pretty rare at that time

Starbucks didn't open in Toronto (in Yorkville) until 1996.

[Greco Roman]

There are 24 stores in the greater winnipeg area.

[malek]

Quebec has the lowest tim per person in all of canada except the atlantic.

And they're looking for franchisee here like crazy.

[West_aust]

there are no corporate stores in Quebec apparently - the ones that are there are franchised

Most starbucks in Quebec are either owned or franchises of CVI (coffee vision holdings) which company in return is owned by a mtl guy and some guy in lebanon.

However, there are some locations which are not listed as CVI starbucks in the store locator (about 5 of them out of the 26 starbucks in montreal) so i'm wondering if those are corporate locations. Including the one at Montreal Trudeau airport

[SpongeG]

Starbucks didn't open in Toronto (in Yorkville) until 1996.

there was one on church street in 1994 - i remember we went there once

[SHOFEAR]

anything that means less Tim Hortons is a good thing.

[ReginaGuy]

The Vancouver Airport has more starbucks than all of Regina

[Rob D]

Does Caribou have plans to expand into Canada?

When I moved to Calgary in 2000, there were 42 Second Cups and 18 Starbucks. There are now 40 Second Cups and 73 Starbucks. So, yeah.

Another Starbucks is opening soon downtown at 8th Street and 5th Avenue SW. Also heard rumours of one in Chocolate in the near future.:shrug:

[Mister F]

Cheap donut shops are awesomely bad. There used to be a place in Lindsay that was called either Coffee Style or Country Time...can't remember which. The sign was a ripoff of the Country Style logo :haha:

It would be neat if they chose a downtown location, doubt it would happen though.
Not likely. They've been looking along Elgin by Northumberland Mall. I get the feeling that most of their new stores outside big cities are suburban. No big deal, I prefer the independent coffee shops downtown anyway.

[furrycanuck]

there was one on church street in 1994 - i remember we went there once

No.

From starbucks.ca:


Starbucks in Canada

On March 1st, 1987, Starbucks opened its first Canadian store, Seabus, in Vancouver, B.C. In 1995, Starbucks formed an alliance with Chapters, Inc., the Canadian bookstore chain. The next year marked the first stores in the Ontario market, with the January 20th opening of 5 stores throughout the greater Toronto area. To date, Starbucks Coffee Canada has over 400 company-operated stores and over 100 licenced concept stores across the country.

[IntotheWest]

The Vancouver Airport has more starbucks than all of Regina

Same with YYC (there are four) :)

[LordMandeep]

there are two new starbucks opening in the new terminal 1 at YYZ. Starbucks is taking on Tim Hortons???

[softee]

North Bay is still Starbucks free, but i doubt it will stay that way much longer.

[SpongeG]

No.

From starbucks.ca:


Starbucks in Canada

On March 1st, 1987, Starbucks opened its first Canadian store, Seabus, in Vancouver, B.C. In 1995, Starbucks formed an alliance with Chapters, Inc., the Canadian bookstore chain. The next year marked the first stores in the Ontario market, with the January 20th opening of 5 stores throughout the greater Toronto area. To date, Starbucks Coffee Canada has over 400 company-operated stores and over 100 licenced concept stores across the country.


weird

cause i haven't been to toronto since 1994 and i remember my room mate and me used to get coffee at the second cup aka the steps on church street and they put in a starbucks across the street which we tried out once since i knew them from home

[BrannyMuffin]

Regina has 3 Starbucks...1 in Chapters and 2 in Safeway (Northgate and Vic Square)...I thought Safeway would be a strange location, but there are always lineups there. Especially Vic Square. What's the coffee place called in the Riddell Centre at the U of R? They brew Starbucks, don't they? Not exactly a Starbucks location, though.

[goodlookin']

AFAIK, Coffee Time owns Toronto with something like 350 stores

[James Bond Agent 007]

Yeah! More Starbucks! :banana:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5060/issaquahsnow22hk6.jpg

[furrycanuck]

weird

cause i haven't been to toronto since 1994 and i remember my room mate and me used to get coffee at the second cup aka the steps on church street and they put in a starbucks across the street which we tried out once since i knew them from home

I started seeing my partner in Toronto in June 1995 and I guarantee there was no Starbucks on Church back then.

[salvius]

AFAIK, Coffee Time owns Toronto with something like 350 stores

It is also a pretty good sign of an economically depressed or at least uninteresting area.

[LordMandeep]

You forgot the the atleast 250 timmy in Toronto and atleast 600 from Hamilton to Oshawa.

[DrJoe]

Not likely. They've been looking along Elgin by Northumberland Mall. I get the feeling that most of their new stores outside big cities are suburban. No big deal, I prefer the independent coffee shops downtown anyway.

Yeah, true. I was thinking that it would be a very big draw for the downtown area.

[Kevin_foster]

I was pleasantly surprised to be informed that Starbucks isn't franchised. I really didn't know this after going there consistently for the last 4 years.

So now I get the scope on how massive they are. I was pondering the idea of opening my own on Jasper Avenue - but maybe there is another alternative to American Coffee. :) - Second cup requires a $25000 buy in and $350,000 (and up) in reno/advert/construction costs.

I hate to say it, but I prefer Starbucks over it's Canadian competitor, Second Cup. SC really really needs to get some better, stronger coffee.

[Reesonov]

/\ Typically Starbucks has far more attractive girls working behind the counter than Second Cup. That is the most important criteria when choosing a coffee shop.

[vid]

I thought Safeway would be a strange location, but there are always lineups there.

It's part of Safeway's new 'lifestyle' theme. That's why there is lots of fake wood, a sushi bar, and earth tones. Earth tones just scream 'We are in touch with your urban needs! Look! We have a Starbucks!! Shop here!!'

/\ Typically Starbucks has far more attractive girls working behind the counter than Second Cup. That is the most important criteria when choosing a coffee shop.

One of the girls at the Starbucks in the Safeway I work at, after about 4 months, turned into a guy. Well he was a guy all along but he looked and sounded like a girl. How was I to know?? :shrug: He got fired in November for giving things to his friends for free. :P And the other girls are all fat and old. I guess that Starbucks is the wrong Starbucks. :(

[Reesonov]

/\ This is only a theory, but perhaps it is related to the fact that that particular Starbucks is in Thunder Bay?

[vid]

:ack:

Yeah, that's probably it. :)

[SpongeG]

safeway starbucks are fake starbucks - they are not corporate - they are licensed - like the ones in chapters

thats why in vancouver you can find a starbucks next to a safeway that has a starbucks inside it

[vid]

They're still Starbucks though. They have the logo, the peppermint mochachino dark coffee latte chino mocha frappa chino (I don't go to Starbucks very often, so my coffee-related vocabulary is very limited.) chino, they have everything about Starbucks, except the condescension. And even then, they only lack that because people only ever stop there when they're waiting for the bus.

[raisethehammer]

A Globe and Mail interview with a Toronto Starbucks rep confirmed what many already know.
He/she said - "we don't go into neighbourhoods until it has nicely revitalized. Other shops and services come in over the years and turn a dead strip into a vibrant one, and then we come in." And then (based on Toronto's experience) the rest of the street becomes an 'outdoor mall' instead of a true vibrant neighbourhood with a mix of chains and local shops...yes, property values go up - way up. Too high to sustain all the hard-working businesses that took a risk to invest in the neighbourhood in the first place.
I say "we're ahead in Hamilton" because we've had a massive influx of artists, gallery owners, cafe owners etc...into our downtown in the past 5 years. So far almost everyone I've spoken to has said "I finally got pushed out of Toronto...no more cheap, up and coming neighbourhoods to call home. They've all gone corporate and only the big chains can afford to locate there."
I hope they keep flocking to Hamilton. So far, the results have been great.

[vid]

LOL

Ok, then the new drive through Starbucks here isn't corporate owned either. :) It's in a fucking power centre.

[zerokarma]

I could care less how many Starbucks there are around, I only get coffee at Second Cup.