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SpongeG
01-18-2007, 08:18 AM
Defense Dept. warns about Canadian spy coins

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070111/070111_spycoins_hmed_230a.h2.jpg

This photo released by the Central Intelligence Agency shows a hollow container, fashioned to look like an Eisenhower silver dollar, which is still used to hide and send messages, or film, without being detected. It is similar to the Canadian coin that was found on some U.S. contractors. Because it resembles ordinary pocket change, it is virtually undetectable as a concealment device.

WASHINGTON - Money talks, but can it also follow your movements?

In a U.S. government warning high on the creepiness scale, the Defense Department cautioned its American contractors over what it described as a new espionage threat: Canadian coins with tiny radio frequency transmitters hidden inside.

The government said the mysterious coins were found planted on U.S. contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors traveled through Canada.

Intelligence and technology experts said such transmitters, if they exist, could be used to surreptitiously track the movements of people carrying the spy coins.

The U.S. report doesn’t suggest who might be tracking American defense contractors or why. It also doesn’t describe how the Pentagon discovered the ruse, how the transmitters might function or even which Canadian currency contained them.

Further details were secret, according to the U.S. Defense Security Service, which issued the warning to the Pentagon’s classified contractors. The government insists the incidents happened, and the risk was genuine.

“What’s in the report is true,” said Martha Deutscher, a spokeswoman for the security service. “This is indeed a sanitized version, which leaves a lot of questions.”

'A lot of mysterious aspects'
Top suspects, according to outside experts: China, Russia or even France — all said to actively run espionage operations inside Canada with enough sophistication to produce such technology.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service said it knew nothing about the coins.

“This issue has just come to our attention,” CSIS spokeswoman Barbara Campion said. “At this point, we don’t know of any basis for these claims.” She said Canada’s intelligence service works closely with its U.S. counterparts and will seek more information if necessary.

Experts were astonished about the disclosure and the novel tracking technique, but they rejected suggestions Canada’s government might be spying on American contractors. The intelligence services of the two countries are extraordinarily close and routinely share sensitive secrets.

“It would seem unthinkable,” said David Harris, former chief of strategic planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. “I wouldn’t expect to see any offensive operation against the Americans.”

Harris said likely candidates include foreign spies who targeted Americans abroad or businesses engaged in corporate espionage. “There are certainly a lot of mysterious aspects to this,” Harris said.

'Pretty advanced technology'
Experts said such tiny transmitters would almost certainly have limited range to communicate with sensors no more than a few feet away, such as ones hidden inside a doorway. The metal in the coins also could interfere with any signals emitted.

“I’m not aware of any (transmitter) that would fit inside a coin and broadcast for kilometers,” said Katherine Albrecht, an activist who believes such technology carries serious privacy risks. “Whoever did this obviously has access to some pretty advanced technology.”

Experts said hiding tracking technology inside coins is fraught with risks because the spy’s target might inadvertently give away the coin or spend it buying coffee or a newspaper. They agreed, however, that a coin with a hidden tracking device might not arouse suspicion if it were discovered in a pocket or briefcase.

“It wouldn’t seem to be the best place to put something like that; you’d want to put it in something that wouldn’t be left behind or spent,” said Jeff Richelson, a researcher and author of books about the CIA and its gadgets. “It doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense.”

Canada’s largest coins include its $2 “Toonie,” which is more than 1-inch across and thick enough to hide a tiny transmitter. The CIA has acknowledged its own spies have used hollow, U.S. silver-dollar coins to hide messages and film.

The government’s 29-page report was filled with other espionage warnings. It described unrelated hacker attacks, eavesdropping with miniature pen recorders and the case of a female foreign spy who seduced her American boyfriend to steal his computer passwords.

In another case, a film processing company called the FBI after it developed pictures for a contractor that contained classified images of U.S. satellites and their blueprints. The photo was taken from an adjoining office window.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16572783/?GT1=8921

see a video report at the link too...

vid
01-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Because some idiot will post without reading the story - neither the Canadian nor American governments are behind this.

Fox News reported this story on January 9th.

SpongeG
01-19-2007, 03:08 AM
i know

but thats the glaring headline they used

i thought it was kinda funny - more of a post for humours sake

my friend and i had a good laugh when we watched the story

SpongeG
01-19-2007, 03:09 AM
like Canada has developed these bondesque spy coins - :haha: and Canada must be full of spys

if you watch the video the woman is like - oh thats so scary

malek
01-19-2007, 03:21 AM
its bullshit.

SpongeG
01-19-2007, 03:44 AM
yes fox news will take any chance to beat up on Canada

vid
01-19-2007, 03:46 AM
Yeah, especially when they didn't write the article, just relayed a report written by AP which was actually identical to the one on CNN as well, and it was just reported on the crawl while CNN had a full story. :)

At least what I saw.

SpongeG
01-19-2007, 04:05 AM
lol oops

it was msnbc - haha

MolsonExport
01-19-2007, 02:36 PM
Has Bill O'Asshole commented on this yet?

vid
01-20-2007, 03:38 AM
No. I haven't really seen much coverage of it, actually.

Only The Lonely..
01-20-2007, 07:58 AM
So that's why the center of a toonie pops out so easily.

Waterlooson
01-20-2007, 01:27 PM
This story has been withdrawn for being inaccurate.... it was just another BS story out of the United States of Paranoia to begin with..... people should be getting rather used to it.

zerokarma
01-20-2007, 02:45 PM
Slow day for news?

Arriviste
01-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Where can I get one? Regradless of cost, I'd love to own one of these toonies. (I hate using, even typing the word "toonie". eghhhh...)

nasdaq
01-21-2007, 05:50 AM
U.S.: Whoops! Report of spy coins not true

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Reversing itself, the Defense Department says an espionage report it produced that warned about Canadian coins with tiny radio frequency transmitters was not true.

The Defense Security Service said it never could substantiate its own published claims about the mysterious coins. It has begun an internal review to determine how the false information was included in a 29-page report about espionage concerns.

The service had contended since late June that such coins were found planted on U.S. contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors traveled through Canada.

"The allegations, however, were found later to be unsubstantiated following an investigation into the matter," the agency said in a statement published on its Web site last week.

Intelligence and technology experts were flabbergasted over the initial report, which suggested such transmitters could be used to surreptitiously track the movements of people carrying the coins.

Experts said such tiny transmitters almost certainly would have limited range to communicate with sensors no more than a few feet away, such as ones hidden inside a doorway. The metal coins also would interfere with any signals emitted, they said.

Experts warned that hiding tracking technology inside coins would be fraught with risks because the spy's target might inadvertently give away the coin or spend it buying coffee or a newspaper.

Robert Moroz, who organizes an annual technology conference in Canada said one vendor in 2005 attached coin-sized transmitters to casino chips as part of a proof-of-concept demonstration.

Moroz also cited previous industry proposals -- later abandoned _ to build such transmitters into the euro. But he was skeptical about the Defense Department's claims even before the Pentagon said its own report was false.

"To make it work with current, commercially available technology -- I don't see how it could work," Moroz said.

The now-disavowed report never suggested who might be tracking American defense contractors or why. It never described how the Pentagon discovered the purported ruse, how the transmitters worked or even which Canadian currency allegedly contained them.

The service initially maintained that its report on the spy coins was accurate but said further details about the spy coins were classified.

The report was filled with other espionage warnings. It described unrelated hacker attacks, eavesdropping with miniature pen recorders and the case of a female foreign spy who seduced her American boyfriend to steal his computer passwords.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/01/19/canada.spy.coins.ap/index.html

Taller Better
01-21-2007, 06:35 AM
I think they later retracted their claim. A transmitter in a metal case wouldn't work, and it is thought that the maximum range such a small transmitter would have would be about 15 feet. I think the whole thing was made up by a lunatic.

vid
01-21-2007, 06:48 AM
But how did it get out in the first place?

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