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zoomer
01-19-2007, 06:22 AM
..according to a major consultant report from Coriolos which came out today. All of which leads to the inevitable increase in height limits in order to accommodate future growth.

Also a separate Colliers report is suggesting the same thing..From CFAX 1070 radio:

THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET IS SEEING OCCUPANCY IN JUST ABOUT EVERY RENTAL SPACE AVAILABLE -- BUT IS BEING HELD BACK BY SEVERAL FACTORS, ACCORDING TO AN INDUSTRY LEADER.

COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL SAYS DOWNTOWN PRIME OFFICE SPACE IS AT A 0% VACANCY RATE -- WITH REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL SPACE AT 0.3% VACANCY.

MANAGING DIRECTOR ANDREW TURNER SAYS THERE'S A CRITICAL SHORTAGE OF LAND -- BUT HE'S CONFIDENT THERE WILL EVENTUALLY BE MORE ROOM IN THE MARKET.

"THE DYNAMICS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND SHOULD DICTATE THAT SUPPLY WILL INCREASE TO MEET THAT DEMAND," TURNER SAYS. "ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS THE COSTS OF CONSTRUCTION HAVE INCREASED SO DRAMATICALLY THAT THOSE ECONOMIC RENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR NEW BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT ARE, RIGHT NOW, NOT ATTAINABLE."

TURNER SAYS THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING MORE DENSITY DOWNTOWN -- AND SHOULD MAKE THE RE-ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS LESS CUMBERSOME.

here's a page from the previous report:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/VicHockeyFan/conclusions.jpg

as always, for all the Victoria news and then some, go to VibrantVictoria.ca (http://vibrantvictoria.ca)

http://static.flickr.com/111/314282834_94394b718a_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/112/313576825_fa6e8b788e_b.jpg

Canadian Mind
01-19-2007, 07:22 AM
how depressing... lol, looks like victoria will be forced to go up now. bout bloody time.

1ajs
01-19-2007, 07:33 AM
how depressing... lol, looks like victoria will be forced to go up now. bout bloody time.

or turn into thunderbay

Canadian Mind
01-19-2007, 08:14 AM
or turn into thunderbay

oh gawd... please no no... :sly:

renthefinn
01-19-2007, 08:25 AM
I've lived in both, don't think I'd rule it out completely. One thing that Victoria has going for it is that I'm dedicated to it, even though the history is not like I'd like (if there was a big city at Sointula, I'd be in heaven).

Baro
01-19-2007, 08:44 AM
What happend in thunder bay?

dubiousmike
01-19-2007, 12:35 PM
I don't think Thunder Bay is ever going to host 3.7 million visitors a year.

zoomer
01-19-2007, 04:49 PM
how depressing... lol, looks like victoria will be forced to go up now. bout bloody time.

So you would consider Dublin, Ireland, or many other mid sized European cities which don't have highrises, and have height levels similar to Victoria as depressing?

Victoria has an enviable downtown density for a city of 350,000. I'd consider a city with skyscrapers, but lots of downtown parking lots depressing.

Canadian Mind
01-19-2007, 05:41 PM
So you would consider Dublin, Ireland, or many other mid sized European cities which don't have highrises, and have height levels similar to Victoria as depressing?

Victoria has an enviable downtown density for a city of 350,000. I'd consider a city with skyscrapers, but lots of downtown parking lots depressing.

I meant how depressing in that victoria has run out of space already.

Kevin_foster
01-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Looking at that photo, I see NO parking lots (lots, not garages).

Victoria has done something right here :)

m0nkyman
01-19-2007, 07:49 PM
Looking at that photo, I see NO parking lots (lots, not garages).

I count at least four in the second photo, and quite a few more in the first. Want me to point them out to you?

zoomer
01-20-2007, 12:47 AM
/\/\ Canadian Mind: I don’t know if running out of space is depressing or not, hopefully it will result a greater density downtown, which should be a positive.

Compared to virtually any other Canadian city, Victoria does have very few parking lots, and most of the ones left have pending development proposals. The one big exception being the Wharf street parking, which has been and continues to be too hot of a political potato!

Canadian Mind
01-20-2007, 04:55 AM
Well Zoomer, I find it depressing as I think the city might just expand downtown rather than go up. :(

zoomer
01-20-2007, 05:09 AM
I'm pretty sure it will go up, as the nearby neighbourhood associations will fight tooth and nail to keep it out of their backyard. The only area to expand to is Rock Bay, but as that will be pushing the practical limits for a downtown size, I see many low to mid 20 storey buildings in the future, which will eventually lead to less reluctance for high 20 to low 30 storey buildings.

m0nkyman
01-20-2007, 06:31 AM
The one big exception being the Wharf street parking, which has been and continues to be too hot of a political potato!

You're forgetting the one that we all pretend doesn't exist (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Victoria,+BC&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=48.415886,-123.385606&spn=0.005262,0.016522&t=h&om=1).

<= Loves Victoria, so won't give it a free pass. Ever.

zoomer
01-20-2007, 06:45 AM
You're forgetting the one that we all pretend doesn't exist (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Victoria,+BC&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=48.415886,-123.385606&spn=0.005262,0.016522&t=h&om=1).

<= Loves Victoria, so won't give it a free pass. Ever.

ah but Ogden Point isn't downtown. But yes, you're right, that is the other big political hot potato! It seems our politicians are so afraid of messing up important waterfront properties that they end up paralyzed in fear, and nothing gets done. truly amazing... will anything change in the next 20 years?

m0nkyman
01-20-2007, 06:48 AM
will anything change in the next 20 years?

Yes. :cheers:

zoomer
01-20-2007, 07:19 AM
At Ogden Point and the parking lots below Wharf street?! Well, you're more confident than I am! Hope you're right!



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